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Amaranthtonyyarusso: better for someone to create the factoid01:12
tonyyarussoAmaranth: well, yes01:12
tonyyarussoAmaranth: but https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WordIndex is kinda fun01:13
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ubotuIn #ubuntu, gnewsensical_ said: !getdeb is http://getdeb.net - a website that seems to have a good list of pre-built .deb packages. downside: many ads and no guarantee that the build is good or complete01:31
jribAmaranth: true01:32
jribsearch tty01:32
naliothsounds like another !suck-o-matix type factoid to me01:32
jrib!tty01:33
ubotuTo get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).01:33
Amaranthnalioth: i told him off already :)01:33
Amaranthjrib: that factoid is wrong :P01:33
jribAmaranth: hmm?01:33
Amaranthif (for any reason) X crashed or was killed with ctrl-alt-backspace it'll usually come back on VT801:34
Amaranththen VT9, etc01:34
jribah, yeah, I always wondered about that01:34
Amaranthmy X is on 9 right now01:35
Amarantheven stopping then restarting gdm won't get it back to 701:35
Amaranthi should reboot and see if it just always starts on 901:35
Amaranthoh, it's back on 701:35
Amaranthi must have rebooted01:35
Amaranth 18:35:41 up 11:26,  3 users,  load average: 0.72, 0.74, 0.7101:35
Amaranthyep, i did01:35
jrib!no, tty is <reply> To get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.01:36
ubotuI'll remember that jrib01:36
jrib!tty01:36
ubotuTo get to the tty terminals 1-6, use the keystroke ctrl + alt + F1-F6 respectively (Alt+F7 will get you back to your graphical login).  To change the resolution for your TTY, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ChangeTTYResolution.01:36
jribhmm, should TTY always be in caps or in lowercase?01:36
jrib!tty =~ s/tty/TTY/01:38
ubotuI'll remember that jrib01:38
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bbrazilAmaranth: man deallocvt01:55
Amaranthlearn something new every day :)01:56
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ubotuIn ubotu, ambrose_ said: who is this?02:17
jrib...02:17
jrib!ubotu > amrbose_02:17
xp_killerAmaranth: what can i lurn for today?02:17
Amaranthxp_killer: How to port C# to Vala02:18
xp_killerAmaranth: i have no idea what u talkin about02:20
ubotuPelo called the ops in #ubuntu02:34
Piciso.. Paddy_EIRE pasted a link to tvlinks and I called !piracy03:00
Picibleh, nevermind.03:02
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tonyyarussonalioth: As the resident expert on host files, would I experience faster internet usage generally if I hard-coded the IP addresses for frequently used sites?04:08
naliothtonyyarusso: yes04:09
tonyyarussonalioth: nifty....04:10
naliothtonyyarusso: also you could consider using squid (or other caching proxy) in addition to the hosts file trick04:10
tonyyarussonalioth: Yeah, I've been pondering that for a while.  Not sure how much effort it would take to set it up04:10
naliothit's easy.  it's squid04:10
naliothit learns as you surf04:11
naliothiow, it only saves the content for the things you surf to04:11
tonyyarussoright04:11
naliothso you'd be bypassing slow dns requests AND bypassing the reloading of the constant images and such from your regular ha'nts04:11
tonyyarussoErm, if it's so simple, why does O'Reilly publish a 464-page book on it?04:16
PumpernickelProfit.04:17
naliothtonyyarusso: if you were so high-speed low-drag, you'd know that O'Reilly offers free PDFs of all their print books04:17
tonyyarussonalioth: Yeah, but I can only read so much on-screen.  A dozen pages, sure.  A hundred pages, I'd rather have a hard copy.04:18
naliothtonyyarusso: so print it.04:19
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naliothtonyyarusso: for simple singler user squid, it's quite easy.  there are how-tos online for it04:20
tonyyarussonalioth: ah, okay04:20
tonyyarussoMight be worth picking up the book anyway - I'm in school for computer networking and looking at the possibility of a net admin career atm04:20
naliothtonyyarusso: right.  when you are setting up for a million user network, that's where the 464 page book comes in04:21
tonyyarussonalioth: gotcha04:22
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travisbicklehey i need to be tested for the router bug please04:29
tonyyarussotravisbickle: looks fine - you're all set04:30
travisbickleoh ok thanks04:30
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xp_killerhow u did  that?04:53
tonyyarussohrm?04:54
Hobbseemagic04:57
PumpernickelNinjitsu.04:58
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josh_whitneyhi, someone on my localnet got this ip address banned from #ubuntu.  how do I resolve it?05:00
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xp_killer for the past 5days everytime i download something the pc slows down.do u know why is that?06:07
xp_killersorry for the intrusion but no one answer my question so...06:08
xp_killerAmaranth: ^^06:08
xp_killerJucato: ^^06:09
Amaranthxp_killer: HD thrashing?06:09
Amaranthand this is not the right place06:09
xp_killerAmaranth: the pc sometimes freeze06:10
xp_killerAmaranth: where too?06:12
Amaranth#ubuntu06:12
naliothxp_killer: is #ubuntu closed ?06:13
xp_killerdont know never been there .ive been to kubuntu06:13
naliothxp_killer: this is not the place for general Ubuntu help06:14
xp_killeri know im gone it just that this problem freez my pc all the time and no one solve my prob in kubuntu so i came to ask06:16
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tonyyarussoWe no longer discourage ubuntuguide eh?06:58
naliothtonyyarusso: why do you say that?07:03
tonyyarussonalioth: !ubuntuguide no longer exists07:03
naliothtonyyarusso: when was the last time you thought about this? 07:04
tonyyarussonalioth: about three minutes ago.07:06
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databuddyyaknow07:32
databuddyi was already cleared.........07:32
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gdbhowdy.  here for my monthly router test08:22
gdb:-P08:22
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databuddyso....09:04
databuddysomeone wanna dccsend test me and RE clear me AGAIN??09:04
databuddyplzzzz??09:04
databuddythere09:05
databuddysee?09:05
databuddytested myself09:05
tonyyarussodatabuddy: All set - please try not to have this be a recurring thing.09:09
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gdboh yeah, can you get me, too?09:42
gdbhow can the results of an automated test the yields false postives be avoided so as to not be "a recurring thing"?09:42
gdbjust wondering! :-D09:43
tonyyarussogdb: It's not automated.09:43
tonyyarussoNor are you fixed.09:43
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gdbwow, was that it?  that's the first i've ever seen it if it was09:44
tonyyarussogdb: Yeah, that's what happens.  Some troll passes an invalid string to your client, and down you go.  :(09:44
tonyyarussoLooks like you're still vulnerable.09:44
gdbi've been tested09:45
gdba good 20 times09:45
gdbi get banned all the farking time09:45
gdband then come here to get tested09:45
gdband nothing09:45
gdband my router is flashed with the latest firmware09:45
gdbbecause i forget to join using the other port09:45
gdbanyway, i gues it's no bother, i just use offtopic anyway09:45
tonyyarussoChange your config so it uses the other port all the time09:45
gdbso i can avoid ubuntu itself09:45
gdbi type the command by hand09:46
gdbi use irssi and dig in bash history09:46
tonyyarussoirssi allows you to change that09:46
gdbhow so?09:46
gdbother than remembering to use -p at the end09:46
tonyyarussoSee ~/.irssi/config09:46
gdbper server or global?09:47
gdbie; i don't have to type it, it just does it?09:47
gdbdo that again, would you?09:47
tonyyarussoYou'll apply the port only to the Freenode network09:47
tonyyarussoum, sure09:47
gdbseriously, i've been tested for it over and over and never had that happen with me here at the keyboard09:47
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gdbodd09:48
gdbi am on port 800109:48
gdbmind if you do that on the other port?  one sec09:49
gdbthat'ws where i am normally tested here09:49
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gdbok on 6667 now09:49
gdbthe other thing is that when people here have tested it, do it in a channel09:50
gdbperhaps they're doing it wronig?09:50
gdbie; a query09:50
tonyyarussoperhaps09:50
gdba pivmessage09:50
gdbwell there's nothing i can do then09:50
tonyyarussoThere are multiple versions09:50
gdbon both 6667 and 8001 and the latest firmware for my v5 wrt54g09:50
gdbi guess this means no #ubuntu for me since i'm not wanting to spend $50 to be in a channel i don't talk in :-P heh09:50
tonyyarussooof09:50
gdbhey, there's still offtopic!09:51
gdbuntil you start banning there, too ;-)09:51
tonyyarussohehe09:52
tonyyarussoProbably not for that particular reason anytime soon.09:52
tonyyarusso(others, sure)09:52
gdbwell, you can document that port 8001 doesn't protect you from this issue09:52
gdband you sure had me eat crow.. i have litterally been banned over 20 times09:52
gdband come here every time, had someone send me a privmessage and see nothing happen09:52
gdbin fact, i've flashed my router with 2 successive updates since this issue first was publicized09:54
gdbany ideas?09:54
tonyyarussoNot at this time.09:54
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gdbie; folks with WRT54Gs just don't get to do #ubuntu?09:54
gdbone other point of curiosity, when i was over in the catch all channel, there were liek 12 people in there09:55
tonyyarussoI'm not sure - I have the WRT54GL myself, but with non-standard firmware.09:55
gdbhow pervasive is this issue and is there value added in the bannings?09:55
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gdboh, and one last thing (i hope) #ubuntu-kc09:57
tonyyarussogdb: Very, and we limit the amount of amusement the trolls get and the disruption to the channel.  (Without the bans an exploit would kill over a hundred nicks, probably many)09:57
gdbis it possible to get someone in there as operator that is actually, i don't know, around sometimes?09:57
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gdband when i say that, i think at least once every couple of weeks would be good09:58
tonyyarussoWhat country is KC?09:58
gdbtonyyarusso: ah i see, so those 12 or so were caught in a round09:58
gdbtonyyarusso: Kansas City, Missouri.  I'm in Lawrence, Kansas, and been hoping to connect with folks.  To be fair, it's normally just me in there, and the op is someone named Fc51 or something09:59
gdbWhom I've seen speak about 3 words in the last year09:59
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gdband Linux in general since October of '94 ;-)10:00
tonyyarussogdb: I'm showing the contact/op being spr0k3t, not Fc51.10:00
gdbhuh odd10:00
gdbperhaps it's changed since there was last someone in there other than just me10:01
tonyyarussomaybe10:01
gdbwell, hopefully sr0k3t will pop in there sometime10:01
gdbbefore you, ah, booted me... hehe 10:01
gdbthe day had changed 9 times since i joined and no one has said anything or joined/left10:01
gdbsigh!10:01
tonyyarussoSounds like your LoCo needs to do some recruitment10:01
gdbindeed!10:02
gdbbut i dunno how! :-D10:02
tonyyarussoWell, there's always the walk up and down main street with CDs route10:02
gdbhrm true10:02
gdbthat reminds me of a funny story10:02
gdbwhen windows 2000 came out, my LUG went there with a bunch of CDs to pass out10:03
gdbat the launch event in kansas city10:03
gdbwe were passing out boxes of red hat, suse, slackware, turbo, etc, anything we could get10:03
tonyyarussoYou should also speak to the relevant state teams, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MissouriTeam and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KansasTeam10:03
tonyyarussoBut that's getting offtopic for here - join #ubuntu-us for that10:03
gdbthese 2 police officers were eyeing us, and then we watched them walk over10:03
gdbwe thought they were going to kick us out, but no, they wanted some cds ;-)10:04
gdboh yeah, no worries10:04
Garylol10:04
gdbjust relating something funny :-)10:04
gdbwell anyway, i guess i'll pester you again whenever i decide to get a new router (next 10 years?) heh10:05
gdblates!10:05
ubotuIn #ubuntu-offtopic, MenZa said: !hardy is <reply> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04, due April 2008. Hardy Heron will be released with LTS support.10:42
Tm_T!tor10:42
ubotuThe #ubuntu channel and related channels ban users joining from anonymous gateways like tor/silenceisdefeat/cgi:irc because the abuse:useful ratio is close to infinity:nothing -- project cloaks will let you join, otherwise you should simply not use an anonymizer.10:42
ubotuAttention tor users.  You may think you are anonymous, but you are not.  Please visit http://tor.unixgu.ru/ and see for yourself.   Please evaluate your need to use tor here on irc.  If you wish anonymity, Freenode offers cloaks of many different types. http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks10:42
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PriceChildThe IRC Council should schedule a first meeting soon.01:19
Tm_Pmooh01:20
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Tm_Pux ux01:23
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databuddyand i should be unbanned from the darn chan01:33
databuddythis is starting to get a bit annoying.01:33
databuddyjustabit.01:33
PriceChilddatabuddy, there are no bans on you that I can see01:34
Piciditto01:35
Tm_P:p01:43
Amaranthdatabuddy: Where are you supposed to be banned from?01:50
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PriceChildHello NovaTel, can I help you?01:59
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PriceChild*wonders who that dodgy character is*02:14
databuddyi keep getting jped into the u-r-t room02:14
databuddyb/c of exploit or w/e ~+++++~02:14
PriceChilddatabuddy, when joining what channel?02:14
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PriceChildHey Seveas 02:35
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Seveashey PriceChild 02:39
PriceChildI was thinking we should schedule a first meeting02:39
PriceChildand also maybe irc council team on launchpad etc.?02:40
ubotuIn ubotu, stdin said: !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at <http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule>. Beta 2 packages can be found at <http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php>.02:43
stdincan someone update that ^ ?02:44
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Hobbsee !no kde4 is <reply> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php02:46
ubotuI'll remember that Hobbsee02:46
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elkbuntuPriceChild, +1 on both counts03:07
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PiciNovaTel: Can we help you?03:09
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PriceChildelkbuntu, nalioth while you two are around... what kind of days/times suit you?04:51
PriceChild(for an IRC Council meeting)04:51
naliothPriceChild: if given advance notice, 25/8 04:51
PriceChildhehe :)04:51
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PiciAre the IRC council meetings public?04:52
PriceChildPici, yes.04:52
Hobbseeexcept for their super-secret section04:52
naliothno.04:52
PriceChildPici, we don't need a meeting to talk in pm about you behind your back ;)04:52
PiciLo04:52
Picier, :p04:52
naliothno no no, we're gonna have Hugh Hefner style meetings with cheese- and beefcake04:52
elkbuntui think a meeting matrix would probably help figure an appropriate time04:56
PriceChildelkbuntu, I think you're going to be the only "difficult" one :P me sev and ljl are all in about the same timezone04:57
PriceChildbut yeah tis an idea04:58
Hobbseeaustralians are always difficult.04:58
PiciBut usually?04:59
elkbuntulet me play with timeanddate.com a sec04:59
elkbuntuhttp://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=9&day=10&year=2007&p1=0&p2=240&p3=104&p4=-105:04
elkbuntubetween midday and 4pm UTC suit me ok, and seem to be livable hours for nalioth05:04
elkbuntuif i get the job i was interviewed for on friday, i will have to move, my living times will vary (it will be shiftwork at a call center), there'll be a gap of time while i wait for a landline phoneline to be connected, and then i'll be on dialup for a while05:06
Hobbseewhere will you be moving to?05:07
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elkbuntuthe one in Wagga... for telstra :(05:08
elkbuntui'm probably not supposed to, but to hell with that. it's not like they're going to find this convo in all the logs out there, let alone know it's me05:08
Hobbseebah.  helstra.  right.05:08
Hobbseeyep05:09
elkbuntuyeah. the line people get to ring to abuse people for their $service being down05:09
Hobbseewoot!05:09
Tm_T!coc05:11
ubotuThe Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/05:11
elkbuntuo.O05:11
elkbuntuwhat on earth was that for?05:12
Tm_Tsorry, needed that url elsewhere05:12
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elkbuntu"/msg ubotu factoid" works, and doesnt confuzzle people05:12
Tm_TI know, sorry again05:13
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Tm_Tnow my eyes are red again <305:16
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ubotuPici called the ops in #ubuntu06:17
PiciThanks06:18
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DavieyPriceChild: ping07:13
=== xp_killer hi to all ops q_p
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Tm_T...07:19
Piciagreed.07:19
Tm_The just got banned in #kubuntu :(07:21
naliothwell, well.  first #ubuntu, now #kubuntu soon #ubuntu-ops 07:22
Tm_Tawww07:23
elkbuntunalioth, i'd do it now, he's trolled us at least 3 times today that i have seen07:23
Tm_Telkbuntu: thanks <307:23
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naliothask in ##linux-ops   :P07:23
Tm_Tnalioth: repeat?07:23
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naliothTm_T: repeat what?07:24
elkbuntunalioth, i think we both know he's not going to do that07:24
Tm_T2023  * nalioth likes to give folks chances to repent07:24
naliothelkbuntu: yep, but i want the logs to show he was given every chance (and a few more)07:24
Tm_Ts/repent/repeat/07:24
elkbuntuTm_P, repent = make up for misgivings/sins07:24
Tm_T;-P07:24
naliothTm_T: REPENT YOUR SINS, YOU UNHOLY HEATHEN07:24
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elkbuntunalioth, stop insulting the heathen07:25
Tm_TI had only once called nazi today in university :(07:25
elkbuntuTm_P, i'm disappointed you called it at all07:25
Tm_T?07:25
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Tm_Telkbuntu: you should see pic of me =)07:26
Tm_Tshort neat hair, german army jacket etc etc... too easy target for prejustice =)07:26
Tm_Thaha, poor xp_killer doesnt realise hes been banned07:27
Picibanned but not kicked?07:27
elkbuntuTm_T, i think you'll find he does07:27
Tm_TPici: yup07:27
stdinban, but no kick :p07:28
Tm_Tyah, so hes asking stdin etc =)07:28
Tm_Tstdin: 2026  * xp_killer he ignore me07:28
Tm_Tstdin: you really left him alone, you're cruel!07:28
stdinI'm actually waiting for the pm, not got one yet07:29
Tm_Thaha07:29
stdinmaybe he just hasn't realised07:29
Tm_Tyup, yet07:29
PriceChildDaviey, pong07:55
naliothPriceChild: is it meeting time yet?07:56
PriceChildnalioth, hehe07:57
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DavieyPriceChild: A steamy pm?08:09
Garywhat 'ave I missed?08:16
PriceChildGary, lolcats08:16
Garyawww08:17
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Garywoo dinner08:22
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Tm_Tstdin: you see this our loved xp_killer talking?08:32
stdinTm_T: where?08:32
Tm_Tin #kubuntu08:33
Tm_Toh, you cant08:33
Tm_Tshame =)08:33
stdinTm_T: has he stopped talking now?08:41
Tm_Tapparently08:42
stdindarn :p08:42
Tm_T2057 < xp_killer> irc is dead08:42
Tm_T2042 < xp_killer> Tm_T:  stdin the bot is dead08:42
Tm_T2048 < xp_killer> !aptfix08:42
Tm_T2048 < xp_killer> .... i give u08:42
Tm_Tp08:42
Tm_Tbot, or noone answers to him, because only ops can see him =)08:43
stdinI would feel sorry for him, if he wasn't so annoying (especially to me)08:43
Tm_Tyeah08:44
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=== garfield how do i upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
PumpernickelYou seem to be confusing this channel with the support channel.10:56
naliothgarfield: this is not a help channel.  please help yourself out10:56
PriceyHey garfield, this isn't #ubuntu10:56
Pumpernickelo_o10:56
Pricey*is lagging*10:56
garfieldok im ban from kubuntu when i woke up and i dont know why10:57
PriceyI'll take alook.10:57
PriceySure you don't know the reason before I take the time to go look?10:58
mc44Pricey: garfield is xp_killer10:58
Priceyhmm10:58
garfieldand?10:58
Priceygarfield, you "woke up and you were banned"? the ban was made "today"... ie this afternoon... in france you wouldn't have woken up afterwards. unless you have 12 hour lie ins...10:59
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garfield:/ i fel a sleep infrot the pc11:00
Priceyok right :)11:01
garfieldu doing like the night we does only sleep11:01
Priceypardon?11:01
=== Pricey reviews logs
garfieldi just want to know wa the 7.10 look like befor i reinstall linux 11:02
garfieldPricey: how to review log?11:02
mc44the 7.10 doesn't exist yet. But anywayas11:02
Priceygarfield, this isn't a support channel.11:03
Priceygarfield, they're logs I keep myself11:03
Priceygarfield, Ok so you joined the channel, changed nick, abused the bot a little, talked offtopic nonsense, threatened you'd kick others...?11:05
PriceyI'd suggest you wait out the ban for the time being.11:06
garfieldq_p oh that11:06
garfieldthat was xp_killer11:07
garfieldlol11:07
PriceyYeah that's you.11:07
garfieldok anyway laters i hav to reinstall linux because i havent reaceve no help from no one11:09
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stdinmmmk11:09
mc44I'm sure it's just the language barrier and he's really just a nice person.11:10
=== nalioth consders banning him from here to #kubuntu <evil grin>
mc44or something11:10
mc44nalioth: you'll break freenode!11:11
mc44:)11:11
Priceymc44, freenode stops forwarding you after 311:11
mc44bah, how sensible of them11:11
PumpernickelMaybe he's just using a discount Hungarian-English phrasebook?11:11
Pumpernickel"My hovercraft is full of eels!"11:11
stdinban/forward him to ##windows, let them deal with him11:11
naliothPricey: no, it's more evil than that. if he's banned in both places, he'll be in limbo11:12
mc44Pumpernickel:  "My nipples explode with delight!"11:12
Priceynalioth, I don't believe you... I feel some sort of demonstration is in order.11:12
Priceymc44, run!11:12
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mc44Pricey: I'm taking you with me :P11:13
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ubotuslavi1 called the ops in #ubuntu11:51
MezSeveas, ping11:53
Mez@ping11:53
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ubotuPici called the ops in #ubuntu12:45
tonyyarussotomaw: oops :P12:46
Pici:o12:46
tomawtiny bit12:46
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