[05:27] <monteslu> "OOXML is a superb standard and yet" - Miguel de Icaza
[05:28] <monteslu> edubuntu should consider switching to kde :)
[05:28] <lameiro> hi. is edubuntu-users ML ok for release announcements?
[05:39] <LaserJock> lameiro: release of what?
[05:41] <lameiro> LaserJock: hi. I participated in Summer of Code for Ubuntu, and have been developing a GTK+ gradebook application with Tom Hoffman mentoring. i was wondering if edubuntu-users is an appropriate list for the annoucement or if I should go somewhere else.
[05:43] <LaserJock> oh, please do and CC edubuntu-devel
[05:44] <lameiro> LaserJock: ok, thank you. :)
[05:45] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:55] <LaserJock> hi sbalneav
[05:56] <sbalneav> Hey LaserJock!
[05:56] <sbalneav> How's it going?
[05:56] <LaserJock> pretty decent
[05:56] <LaserJock> working on some data analysis for tomorrow
[05:57] <sbalneav> I'm just working on manual stuff.  I got the multi-server docs from Francis, so I'm editing them.  I'll get them into the tree and a new doco package pushed tonight.
[06:00] <LaserJock> awesome
[06:52] <sbalneav> Back
[07:11] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so do you think it's about time for a full upload?
[07:17] <sbalneav> Which, of the docs?
[07:17] <sbalneav> Nah, gimme till tomorrow night.
[07:18] <sbalneav> I want to document the X ram settings a bit
[07:18] <sbalneav> then we should be good.
[07:18] <sbalneav> I just shipped it off to the ppa
[07:19] <sbalneav> I closed a couple of bugs in edubuntu-docs as well.
[07:20] <sbalneav> ok, late here.
[07:20] <sbalneav> Heading to bed.  I'll let the ppa do it's thing
[07:20] <sbalneav> cheers
[07:21] <LaserJock> sbalneav: cya
[08:10] <RichEd> hello LaserJock if you are still around
[08:10] <RichEd> and mr jsgotangco as well
[08:10] <LaserJock> hi RichEd
[08:11] <RichEd> how is the us of a ? chilling down towards winter ?
[08:27] <jsgotangco> hi
[03:55] <ogra> time for a break ...
[03:58] <shriphani> yeh. tomorrow the cs teacher is gonna talk on phone.
[03:58] <shriphani> I mailed a local lug here for assistance.
[03:58] <shriphani> they already have a program for colleges.
[04:02] <shriphani> and woohoooo recieved mail... they will support my endavour to convert schools !!
[04:02] <shriphani> endeavor ^
[04:07] <bddebian> Heya
[04:07] <shriphani> hello.
[04:08] <shriphani> yeah where do I get to contribute to some coding involving packaging ?
[04:08] <bddebian> #ubuntu-motu would probably be the best place to start
[04:13] <kgoetz> hi bddebian
[04:14] <bddebian> Heya kgoetz
[04:15] <kgoetz> :)
[04:20] <^Migs^> How do I find out what software is planned on being included in Edubuntu for future releases, but isn't in there yet?
[04:20] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:20] <^Migs^> Greetings!
[04:21] <^Migs^> I'm trying to get some software ideas for a new school I'm helping set up
[04:22] <kgoetz> hi both
[04:22] <ogra> hey sbalneav i fixed ltsp-update-image finally
[04:24] <sbalneav> Did you? Excellent!
[04:24] <ogra> well, not in the branch yet
[04:24] <ogra> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37114/
[04:24] <ogra> but it seems to wark alricght
[04:25] <sbalneav> Have you merged from me?  We made a couple of changes yesterday.  Nothing major.
[04:25] <ogra> not yet, but according to the commit mails you only worked on the screed.d and session scripts
[04:26] <ogra> i fixed all base functionallity of TCM
[04:26] <ogra> listing, killing procs and killing users now works properly again
[04:26] <ogra> i'd love a sane screenshooter app
[04:27] <ogra> but waht i wrote so far is based on xwd ... and makes the users cursor flash all the time
[04:28] <ogra> (it puts on nearly no load on server client or network though ... and te screenshots are only 5k)
[04:31] <RichEd> hi ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, sbalneav
[04:31] <RichEd> how's things ?
[04:31] <ogra> busy
[04:31] <ogra> huntig bugs like mad
[04:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> RichEd, just so. thinking putting som ework into getting ready for SFD would be a good idea
[04:35] <moquist> Has anybody in here tried out iTALC?
[04:36] <ogra> moquist, planned for possible inclusion in hardy
[04:36] <moquist> So it must be good, then.
[04:36] <ogra> it has some bad security holes
[04:36] <ogra> and it links against libssl
[04:36] <ogra> if these two are fixed i'd like it at least on the addon CD and in main
[04:37] <moquist> I'm thinking about recommending it on a statewide mailing list, and I wanted to be sure I wasn't recommending something crap.
[04:37] <moquist> ogra: makes sense.
[04:38] <ogra> it even seems to work properly with ltsp5
[04:38] <ogra> stgraber made some tests
[04:39] <ogra> for small setups i'd still rather recommend TCM though
[04:39] <ogra> and as long as we have TCM i wont put italc in the default install
[04:39] <moquist> Sure. Our problem with teachertool & TCM is that we don't have small setups, and those tools aren't useful when you have hundreds of TCs spread throughout a school.
[04:40] <ogra> right
[04:40] <ogra> thats why i want italc easily available
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> TC?
[04:40] <ogra> but i dont want to cannicalize TCM :)
[04:40] <moquist> Kamping_Kaiser: Thin Client
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, duh :$
[04:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[04:41] <moquist> :)
[04:43] <cliebow_> ok ok igive up..what?
[04:44] <cliebow_> ok ok igive up..Hardy what?
[04:45] <pygi> hello
[04:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi
[04:47] <RichEd> moquist: they use it for guadalinex (italc)
[04:47] <ogra> cliebow_, heron
[04:47] <cliebow_> Cool!!
[04:47] <RichEd> moquist: and i have this comment as well from intel
[04:47] <RichEd> > The closest possible open source software is
[04:47] <RichEd> > "ControlAula":
[04:47] <RichEd> >
[04:47] <RichEd> > http://www.itais.net/controlaula_english/
[04:47] <RichEd> >
[04:47] <RichEd> > It works, but is not perfect and could do with
[04:48] <cliebow_> goes with Great Blue Heron..
[04:48] <RichEd> > an interface lift and some logic improvements.
[04:48] <RichEd> > Also has debian package.
[04:48] <ogra> and is freaky gambas code
[04:49] <moquist> "closest possible" to what?
[04:49] <RichEd> moquist: their windows application :)
[04:49] <moquist> ahhhh! :)
[04:50] <moquist> I think dtrask just started with iTALC this semester, so I've asked him for comments, too.
[04:50] <ogra> i think stgraber ad probs with locking/unlocking screens but thats about it
[04:51] <moquist> I'm sure the people who were asking on this statewide educators mailing list are only looking at Windows.
[04:51] <moquist> Unless...they might have some Macs, in which case iTALC won't cut it for them.
[04:52] <RichEd> moquist: I have a comparative doc I can mail you (unofficially)
[04:53] <moquist> RichEd: Would you mind if I unofficially send it on to a mailing list?
[04:53] <moquist> RichEd: Well, go ahead and send it in any case, please. :) But may I also send it on?
[04:53] <RichEd> moquist: it is the windows options comparisons ... not open source
[04:53] <RichEd> let me sanitise
[04:53] <moquist> k; thanks
[04:58] <RichEd> moquist: it compares features for LanSchool
[04:58] <RichEd> SychronEyes
[04:58] <RichEd> Net Support School
[04:58] <RichEd> Geneva Vision 6
[04:59] <moquist> Yep, SychronEyes and Geneva Vision 6 are the two they asked about. Is iTALC a reasonable alternative?
[05:00] <moquist> I was conservative in my response ("I've never tried this but I've heard good things"), but I just hate pointing people to Free Software that is also crap software.
[05:02] <RichEd> italc is not on the comparison yet
[05:02] <RichEd> mailing it to you now
[05:02] <RichEd> (Net Support School supports linux, but i think it is commercial)
[05:02] <RichEd> ping highvoltage
[05:26] <^Migs^> http://www.skreemr.com
[05:26] <^Migs^> nice
[05:35] <sbalneav> ogra: Pushed your stuff yet?
[05:49] <stgraber> ogra: locking/unlocking worked fine, demo, shutdown and logout didn't
[05:50] <sbalneav> Holy crumb!
[05:50] <sbalneav> I just printed out the edubuntu handbook.
[05:50] <stgraber> moquist: here we are switching from Vision6 to Italc, so I think iTalc is considered as a reasonable alternative
[05:50] <sbalneav> Guess how many pages it is?
[05:50] <sbalneav> Just guess
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> few hundred?
[05:52] <sbalneav> Not quite that long, no :)
[05:52] <sbalneav> but 50.
[05:52] <sbalneav> Not bad,
[05:52] <sbalneav> It's getting sizable.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> not bad.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> how long until string freeze?
[05:53] <sbalneav> Tomorrow
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> gah.
[05:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> cant proofread it tonight >.<
[05:54] <sbalneav> Tonight, I have to go through the handbook, add one small section, and then make sure that all the info's up to date, and in line with changes we've made.
[05:54] <stgraber> sorry, irssi crash
[05:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> i was hoping you'd say a week :\
[06:46] <moquist> stgraber: Thanks for the feedback. I'll be surprised if they take such an enormous risk as to go with Free Software. All the other responses have been "We use (Vision6|SynchronEyes) here and it works great!!"
[06:47] <moquist> Well, there's nothing for it but to keep pushing this boulder [back]  up the hill.
[06:47] <moquist> stgraber: Really? I've never gotten irssi to crash. :)
[07:22] <stgraber> moquist: well, Vision6 doesn't work correctly here :)
[07:23] <stgraber> moquist: that's the main reason for them to switch to iTALC
[07:29] <moquist> stgraber: where's "here", and why doesn't it work correctly?
[07:29] <moquist> :-)
[07:30] <stgraber> here is switzerland (french part)
[07:30] <stgraber> they are having some problem with the teacher computer unable to find any student computer
[07:30] <stgraber> and things like that, as I understood they also have some kind of licencing issue
[07:30] <stgraber> they had to order the correct amount of licence but use the same licence number on all the computers
[07:31] <moquist> ha ha! We had something similar happen with Symantec Ghost.
[07:31] <stgraber> as otherwise they wouldn't be able to manage all the computers or something like that
[07:31] <moquist> We said "5000 computers, 10 different sites" and then they told us to use the same key everywhere. So I think we got 5k computers PER site.
[07:31] <jessejazza> HI is there a forum for edubuntu
[07:33] <^Migs^> A forum!? Hogwash! Poppycock!
[07:34] <stgraber> not sure, if yes you'll find it on www.ubuntuforums.org
[07:41] <jessejazza> I think there is the main Ubuntu forum - it's getting so large now. I was wondering that's all - i'm a teacher and about to start using it.
[07:47] <sbalneav> jessejazza: Probably the best would be to sign up to the edubuntu-users mailing list
[09:27] <sbalneav> Back
[09:28] <thedman> I have a newbie question.
[09:28] <thedman> I have set up a edubuntu lab, everythings working great.
[09:28] <thedman> But I'm confused about the update process.
[09:28] <thedman> If I update as a sudo user from one of the workstations, does that update the entire edubuntu system.
[09:29] <thedman> Or just the ltsp sessions?
[10:03] <^Migs^> he sure didn't wait very long for an answer
[10:31] <sbalneav> Nope
[10:41] <shemmy> my daughter wants the wallpaper with the chalk world map, from version 6.  does anyone have or know where to get it?