=== tck [n=tck@78.16.23.148] has joined #edubuntu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #edubuntu === ananas| [n=ananas-m@xdslcu141.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #edubuntu === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-20-34.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.9] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === ananas_ [n=ananas-m@xdsldc172.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #edubuntu === ananas| [n=ananas-m@xdslca003.osnanet.de] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu === valles [n=valles@200.71.131.18] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-164-226.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu === boyam [i=boyam@166-82-81-31.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #edubuntu === lameiro [n=chatzill@c9539748.virtua.com.br] has joined #edubuntu [05:27] "OOXML is a superb standard and yet" - Miguel de Icaza [05:28] edubuntu should consider switching to kde :) [05:28] hi. is edubuntu-users ML ok for release announcements? === jack_wyt [n=jack@124.64.107.9] has joined #edubuntu [05:39] lameiro: release of what? [05:41] LaserJock: hi. I participated in Summer of Code for Ubuntu, and have been developing a GTK+ gradebook application with Tom Hoffman mentoring. i was wondering if edubuntu-users is an appropriate list for the annoucement or if I should go somewhere else. [05:43] oh, please do and CC edubuntu-devel [05:44] LaserJock: ok, thank you. :) === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [05:45] Evening all [05:55] hi sbalneav [05:56] Hey LaserJock! [05:56] How's it going? [05:56] pretty decent [05:56] working on some data analysis for tomorrow [05:57] I'm just working on manual stuff. I got the multi-server docs from Francis, so I'm editing them. I'll get them into the tree and a new doco package pushed tonight. [06:00] awesome === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu [] === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:52] Back [07:11] sbalneav: so do you think it's about time for a full upload? [07:17] Which, of the docs? [07:17] Nah, gimme till tomorrow night. [07:18] I want to document the X ram settings a bit [07:18] then we should be good. [07:18] I just shipped it off to the ppa [07:19] I closed a couple of bugs in edubuntu-docs as well. [07:20] ok, late here. [07:20] Heading to bed. I'll let the ppa do it's thing [07:20] cheers [07:21] sbalneav: cya === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd [08:10] hello LaserJock if you are still around [08:10] and mr jsgotangco as well [08:10] hi RichEd [08:11] how is the us of a ? chilling down towards winter ? === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [08:27] hi === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #Edubuntu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-d9309ea514b95f99] has joined #edubuntu === migi [i=migi@nat/sun/x-d9309ea514b95f99] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp58-244.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has left #Edubuntu ["A] === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #Edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #Edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has left #Edubuntu ["A] === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu === tck [n=tck@78.16.23.148] has joined #edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #Edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp58-244.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === ludoRA [n=Ludovic@mut38-5-82-246-189-159.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #Edubuntu === sbalneav` [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu === tck [n=tck@213-202-133-50.bas502.dsl.esat.net] has joined #edubuntu === merriam [n=merriam@85-211-21-215.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow_ [n=cliebow@smoothwallkludge.ellsworth-hs.ellsworth.k12.me.us] has joined #edubuntu === froud_ [n=sean@dsl-242-191-75.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === ogra sighs loudly over the messy code of TCM [03:55] time for a break ... [03:58] yeh. tomorrow the cs teacher is gonna talk on phone. [03:58] I mailed a local lug here for assistance. [03:58] they already have a program for colleges. [04:02] and woohoooo recieved mail... they will support my endavour to convert schools !! [04:02] endeavor ^ === pitux [n=pitux@200.113.28.118] has joined #edubuntu === bddebian [n=bddebian@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:07] Heya [04:07] hello. [04:08] yeah where do I get to contribute to some coding involving packaging ? [04:08] #ubuntu-motu would probably be the best place to start [04:13] hi bddebian [04:14] Heya kgoetz [04:15] :) === ^Migs^ [n=Migs@205.122.50.233] has joined #edubuntu [04:20] <^Migs^> How do I find out what software is planned on being included in Edubuntu for future releases, but isn't in there yet? === sbalneav` is now known as sbalneav [04:20] Morning all [04:20] <^Migs^> Greetings! [04:21] <^Migs^> I'm trying to get some software ideas for a new school I'm helping set up [04:22] hi both [04:22] hey sbalneav i fixed ltsp-update-image finally === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.107.9] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] Did you? Excellent! [04:24] well, not in the branch yet [04:24] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37114/ [04:24] but it seems to wark alricght [04:25] Have you merged from me? We made a couple of changes yesterday. Nothing major. [04:25] not yet, but according to the commit mails you only worked on the screed.d and session scripts [04:26] i fixed all base functionallity of TCM [04:26] listing, killing procs and killing users now works properly again [04:26] i'd love a sane screenshooter app [04:27] but waht i wrote so far is based on xwd ... and makes the users cursor flash all the time [04:28] (it puts on nearly no load on server client or network though ... and te screenshots are only 5k) === Kamping_Kaiser [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [04:31] hi ogra, Kamping_Kaiser, sbalneav [04:31] how's things ? [04:31] busy [04:31] huntig bugs like mad === RichEd thought so ... [04:32] RichEd, just so. thinking putting som ework into getting ready for SFD would be a good idea [04:35] Has anybody in here tried out iTALC? [04:36] moquist, planned for possible inclusion in hardy [04:36] So it must be good, then. [04:36] it has some bad security holes === moquist nods [04:36] and it links against libssl [04:36] if these two are fixed i'd like it at least on the addon CD and in main [04:37] I'm thinking about recommending it on a statewide mailing list, and I wanted to be sure I wasn't recommending something crap. [04:37] ogra: makes sense. [04:38] it even seems to work properly with ltsp5 [04:38] stgraber made some tests === moquist nods -- makes sense [04:39] for small setups i'd still rather recommend TCM though [04:39] and as long as we have TCM i wont put italc in the default install [04:39] Sure. Our problem with teachertool & TCM is that we don't have small setups, and those tools aren't useful when you have hundreds of TCs spread throughout a school. [04:40] right [04:40] thats why i want italc easily available [04:40] TC? [04:40] but i dont want to cannicalize TCM :) [04:40] Kamping_Kaiser: Thin Client [04:40] oh, duh :$ [04:40] ty [04:41] :) === Kamping_Kaiser hugs small setups === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu [04:43] ok ok igive up..what? [04:44] ok ok igive up..Hardy what? === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #edubuntu [04:45] hello [04:47] hi [04:47] moquist: they use it for guadalinex (italc) [04:47] cliebow_, heron [04:47] Cool!! [04:47] moquist: and i have this comment as well from intel [04:47] > The closest possible open source software is [04:47] > "ControlAula": [04:47] > [04:47] > http://www.itais.net/controlaula_english/ [04:47] > [04:47] > It works, but is not perfect and could do with [04:48] goes with Great Blue Heron.. [04:48] > an interface lift and some logic improvements. [04:48] > Also has debian package. [04:48] and is freaky gambas code === ogra is no fan of controlaula ... [04:49] "closest possible" to what? [04:49] moquist: their windows application :) [04:49] ahhhh! :) [04:50] I think dtrask just started with iTALC this semester, so I've asked him for comments, too. [04:50] i think stgraber ad probs with locking/unlocking screens but thats about it [04:51] I'm sure the people who were asking on this statewide educators mailing list are only looking at Windows. [04:51] Unless...they might have some Macs, in which case iTALC won't cut it for them. [04:52] moquist: I have a comparative doc I can mail you (unofficially) [04:53] RichEd: Would you mind if I unofficially send it on to a mailing list? [04:53] RichEd: Well, go ahead and send it in any case, please. :) But may I also send it on? [04:53] moquist: it is the windows options comparisons ... not open source [04:53] let me sanitise [04:53] k; thanks [04:58] moquist: it compares features for LanSchool [04:58] SychronEyes [04:58] Net Support School [04:58] Geneva Vision 6 [04:59] Yep, SychronEyes and Geneva Vision 6 are the two they asked about. Is iTALC a reasonable alternative? [05:00] I was conservative in my response ("I've never tried this but I've heard good things"), but I just hate pointing people to Free Software that is also crap software. [05:02] italc is not on the comparison yet [05:02] mailing it to you now [05:02] (Net Support School supports linux, but i think it is commercial) [05:02] ping highvoltage === tck_ [n=tck@78.16.49.211] has joined #edubuntu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has left #edubuntu ["Leaving"] [05:26] <^Migs^> http://www.skreemr.com [05:26] <^Migs^> nice [05:35] ogra: Pushed your stuff yet? [05:49] ogra: locking/unlocking worked fine, demo, shutdown and logout didn't [05:50] Holy crumb! [05:50] I just printed out the edubuntu handbook. [05:50] moquist: here we are switching from Vision6 to Italc, so I think iTalc is considered as a reasonable alternative [05:50] Guess how many pages it is? [05:50] Just guess [05:51] few hundred? [05:52] Not quite that long, no :) [05:52] but 50. [05:52] Not bad, [05:52] It's getting sizable. [05:53] not bad. [05:53] how long until string freeze? [05:53] Tomorrow [05:53] gah. [05:53] cant proofread it tonight >.< === stgraber [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #edubuntu [05:54] Tonight, I have to go through the handbook, add one small section, and then make sure that all the info's up to date, and in line with changes we've made. [05:54] sorry, irssi crash [05:54] i was hoping you'd say a week :\ === Kamping_Kaiser will try and get in earlier on the heron string freeze === tck_ is now known as tck === Mez_ [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@mar44-2-82-227-215-241.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu [06:46] stgraber: Thanks for the feedback. I'll be surprised if they take such an enormous risk as to go with Free Software. All the other responses have been "We use (Vision6|SynchronEyes) here and it works great!!" [06:47] Well, there's nothing for it but to keep pushing this boulder [back] up the hill. [06:47] stgraber: Really? I've never gotten irssi to crash. :) === Rondom [n=Rondom@p57A950C3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #edubuntu [07:22] moquist: well, Vision6 doesn't work correctly here :) [07:23] moquist: that's the main reason for them to switch to iTALC === jessejazza [n=chatzill@host86-132-80-174.range86-132.btcentralplus.com] has joined #edubuntu [07:29] stgraber: where's "here", and why doesn't it work correctly? === moquist quickly emails the list: "Another reason to use iTALC -- Vision 6 doesn't work where stgraber is!" [07:29] :-) [07:30] here is switzerland (french part) [07:30] they are having some problem with the teacher computer unable to find any student computer [07:30] and things like that, as I understood they also have some kind of licencing issue === moquist too...it's not GPL, or even OSI [07:30] they had to order the correct amount of licence but use the same licence number on all the computers [07:31] ha ha! We had something similar happen with Symantec Ghost. [07:31] as otherwise they wouldn't be able to manage all the computers or something like that [07:31] We said "5000 computers, 10 different sites" and then they told us to use the same key everywhere. So I think we got 5k computers PER site. [07:31] HI is there a forum for edubuntu [07:33] <^Migs^> A forum!? Hogwash! Poppycock! [07:34] not sure, if yes you'll find it on www.ubuntuforums.org [07:41] I think there is the main Ubuntu forum - it's getting so large now. I was wondering that's all - i'm a teacher and about to start using it. === boyam [n=boyam@208.104.11.156] has joined #edubuntu [07:47] jessejazza: Probably the best would be to sign up to the edubuntu-users mailing list === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu === thedman [n=thedman@65-123-188-196.dia.static.frhs.org] has joined #edubuntu === dedalus [n=dedalus@clj30-194.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has left #edubuntu [] === lns [n=lns@75.61.204.105] has joined #edubuntu === highvolt1ge [n=highvolt@dsl-243-44-127.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === joris [n=joris@082-146-097-138.dyn.adsl.xs4all.be] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [09:27] Back [09:28] I have a newbie question. [09:28] I have set up a edubuntu lab, everythings working great. [09:28] But I'm confused about the update process. === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #edubuntu [09:28] If I update as a sudo user from one of the workstations, does that update the entire edubuntu system. [09:29] Or just the ltsp sessions? [10:03] <^Migs^> he sure didn't wait very long for an answer === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #edubuntu [10:31] Nope === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === shemmy [n=roswell@bal-bb-cable-4-356.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has joined #edubuntu [10:41] my daughter wants the wallpaper with the chalk world map, from version 6. does anyone have or know where to get it? === shemmy [n=roswell@bal-bb-cable-4-356.dsl.airstreamcomm.net] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #edubuntu