[12:58] <thumper> yml: when the branch is pushed, it is signalled to be refreshed
[12:58] <thumper> yml: but it isn't instantaneous (as much as I'd like it to be)
[01:30] <ubotu> New bug: #138775 in malone "Notification subject included bug number but no summary" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138775
[04:55] <poolie> i thought the 'most recently reported bugs' list used to show their state 
[04:55] <poolie> but this no longer seems to be true on edge?
[04:55] <poolie> did it regress?
[05:33] <mpt> poolie, on which page?
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138805 in launchpad-bazaar "Permissions for editing bug branch links is too permissive" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138805
[06:47] <poolie> mpt, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug
[06:54] <mpt> poolie, the "Is the bug youre reporting one of these?" list does show the state of each bug
[06:55] <mpt> I think the "Most frequently reported bugs" list includes only open bugs now, but don't quote me on that
[06:55] <mpt> If so, there wouldn't be *much* point including their status
[06:55] <poolie> mpt, it does not, the top one in the list on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/bzr/+filebug is fix released
[06:56] <poolie> i can see how users might still be encountering it in older versions s
[06:56] <poolie> so i think it's ok to  have it there 
[06:56] <poolie> but it is a bit annoying for advanced  users
[06:56] <poolie> also, wasn't there once a link from a bug page to file a new bug? has that gone entirely?
[06:57] <mpt> That's now in the "What next?" section at the bottom
[06:57] <poolie> huh
[06:57] <poolie> ok
[06:57] <poolie> also it seems odd to me that the 'offer to mentor' is given so much prominence compared to other actions
[06:58] <mpt> I agree
[07:02] <poolie> i guess it makes sense for new features to be a bit more obvious
[07:18] <mpt> poolie, reported bug 138813
[07:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138813 in malone ""Most Frequently Reported Bugs" list includes closed bug reports but doesn't distinguish them" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138813
[07:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138813 in malone ""Most Frequently Reported Bugs" list includes closed bug reports but doesn't distinguish them" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138813
[07:26] <mpt> ubotu, you could be smarter about that
[08:00] <thumper> jamesh: reviewer meeting?
[08:00] <thumper> lifeless: meeting?
[08:00] <jtv> thumper: coffee?
[08:00] <thumper> jtv: yes please
[08:01] <jtv> thumper: we're just making it, if you can be here in 5 mins?
[08:01] <thumper> jtv: sure, I'll just pop over
[08:01] <jamesh> hi
[08:01] <jtv> hi
[08:04] <thumper> I have a dinner appt at 07:00UTC for the wife's birthday
[08:04] <thumper> so I can't hang around forever :)
[08:05] <jtv> congrats.  Have a cookie with the coffee!
[08:05] <tonyyarusso> thumper: Mine too - wish her a happy co-birthday for me :P
[08:06] <jml> hello hello
[08:06] <thumper> tonyyarusso: she doesn't want her birthday any more and is considering having mine instead
[08:06] <tonyyarusso> thumper: lol
[08:08] <jamesh> should we start in a few minutes then?  (with or without lifeless, spiv or BjornT)
[08:08] <BjornT> i'm here
[08:09] <spiv> I'm here.
[08:09] <thumper> I'm here
[08:09] <jml> I'm here.
[08:11] <jamesh> given that lifeless is not about, who is charing?
[08:12] <jamesh> chairing, even
[08:12] <jamesh> guess I'll do it then :)
[08:13] <jamesh> == Agenda ==
[08:13] <jamesh>  * Roll call
[08:13] <jamesh>  * Next meeting
[08:13] <jamesh>  * Queue status
[08:13] <jamesh>  * Barry has been slack with last EU/US meeting minutes
[08:13] <jamesh>  * Mentors wanted
[08:13] <jamesh> is everyone happy with the same time next week for the meeting?
[08:13] <jml> yes
[08:13] <thumper> yes
[08:13] <jamesh> that is 18th September at 06:00 UTC
[08:13] <jtv> yes
[08:14] <spiv> yes
[08:14] <jamesh> good.
[08:14] <jamesh> * Queue status
[08:14] <thumper> longish
[08:14] <jamesh> 36 branches, 11 past the due date
[08:15] <spiv> One's mine; I'll get that done today.
[08:15] <jamesh> two of the overdue ones are mine (one of them in followup)
[08:15] <spiv> kiko has 5 overdue branches!
[08:15] <jamesh> I'll get them finished today
[08:15] <thumper> I've done all mine
[08:16] <thumper> . o O (they were small though)
[08:16] <jamesh> given the size of the development team and review team, I guess the review queue isn't too huge
[08:16] <jamesh> although it'd be worth bringing up kiko's branches at the EU meeting if they're still not done
[08:16] <jml> Mine's got 2 more that need review.
[08:17] <jml> well in hand, I think.
[08:17] <jamesh> the next item doesn't seem applicable
[08:17] <jamesh>  * Mentors wanted
[08:17] <jamesh> according to Barry's email, we've got all the review mentors sorted out now
[08:18] <spiv> That's my understanding too.
[08:18] <jamesh> for the people at this meeting, spiv is mentoring jml and I'm mentoring jtv
[08:18] <jamesh> * Other business
[08:19] <thumper> none from me
[08:19] <jamesh> if no one has anything else to add, we can finish the meeting.
[08:19] <jamesh> 5
[08:19] <jamesh> 4
[08:19] <jamesh> 3
[08:19] <jamesh> 2
[08:20] <jamesh> 1
[08:20] <jamesh> meeting ends.
[08:20] <jtv> liftoff!
[08:20] <jml> jamesh: thanks.
[08:20] <thumper> thanks jamesh
[08:20] <jamesh> than's for coming
[08:25] <lifeless> bleh, was on fphone with poolie
[08:25] <lifeless> very sorry
[08:47] <carlos> morning
[10:20] <mrevell> Morning Launchpadders!
[10:20] <Fujitsu> Hi mrevell.
[10:20] <mrevell> how Fujitsu
[10:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell!
[10:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Morning drongo :-D
[10:21] <mrevell> sorry, drongobrain
[10:22] <Hobbsee> hah
[10:22] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Or is that a terrible insult and I've made a cultural faux-pas?
[10:22] <Hobbsee> mrevell: it is an insult, yes.
[10:22] <mrevell> Hobbsee: In which case, erm, errr...
[10:22] <Fujitsu> That's the one.
[10:22] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Phew, thanks for the attack, the universe is back in balance.
[10:22] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Rocketfuel
[10:23] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Not sure on that. Don't think so. let me check.
[10:23] <Hobbsee> heh
[10:23] <Fujitsu> mrevell: I know it isn't now, but I think it might be nice if it was.
[10:23] <mrevell> Fujitsu: Right, got you. Want me to file a bug for you?
[10:23] <Fujitsu> mrevell: I might as well do so, but you can if you want.
[10:24] <mrevell> Fujitsu: You go ahead. It'll make more sense for you to file it. 
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi all
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> somebody going to join me to the lp beta testers team?
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I would like to provide a bugfix via PPA
[10:31] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I already sent e-mails, subscribed to the mailing list and all the rest
[10:32] <Fujitsu> Le-Chuck_ITA: Why not provide a bugfix through proper channels?
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I want to provide the package for testing
[10:32] <Le-Chuck_ITA> it's a new upstream release
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> and if I am not wrong the way to sponsored uploads should become PPA soon
[10:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ?
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: if it's a new upstraem release, it will need testing elsewhere, yes.
[10:34] <Hobbsee> Le-Chuck_ITA: you know, you got answered a few minutes after you left, last time
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> what time :)?
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> you mean today?
[10:35] <Hobbsee> whenever i last saw you ask about ppa's.  not today, on any timezone, iirc.
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok
[10:35] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I have to find a way
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> to leave chat windows closed
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> in gaim and get warned for certain keywords
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> or just to close IRC windows without leaving the channel
[10:36] <Le-Chuck_ITA> sorry for that, Hobbsee
[10:37] <Le-Chuck_ITA> however I am now reading the reply in the channel log
[10:39] <mrevell> Le-Chuck_ITA: Hi!
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi mrevell: I have just read your reply!
[10:40] <mrevell> Le-Chuck_ITA: Ah, great :)
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Ok I'll wait
[10:40] <mrevell> Le-Chuck_ITA: I'm just working my way through applicants to the beta team, so you should be in it this morning.
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I hate to leave windows opened, that's the only reason why I leave channels :)
[10:40] <mrevell> right :)
[10:40] <Le-Chuck_ITA> ok, that's wonderful
[10:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> yeah
[10:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I used xchat for a long time
[10:42] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gaim is just comfortable but I see it lacks some feature
[10:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138828 in launchpad "LP bzr revision number largely useless with rocketfuel mapping" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138828
[11:10] <Le-Chuck_ITA> bye all, time to close this window :)
[11:47] <proppy> hi
[11:48] <proppy> Is there an rss feed associated to each bug report ?
[11:48] <pochu> There isn't, but if you subscribe it, you'll be notified by mail with every change.
[11:48] <pochu> (there isn't *yet*)
[11:49] <proppy> Ok, thanks :)
[11:49] <proppy> there is not +rdf tricks either ?
[11:50] <proppy> like https://launchpad.net/%7Eproppy/+rdf
[11:52] <mpt> proppy, do you have any reason for preferring RDF for bug reports, rather than Atom or RSS?
[11:54] <mpt> (to answer your question, we don't have RDF for bug reports either)
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #138844 in launchpad-bazaar "bazaar-portlet-importstats is cruft" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138844
[12:02] <proppy> mpt: no, I was just asking if rdf was available because I know it is from other launchpad pages, like groups or peoples
[12:02] <proppy> Is there a way I can help to implement rss support ?
[12:02] <proppy> (or rdf)
[12:03] <Fujitsu> Machine parsable bug pages with more than the absolute basics... hahahaha.
[12:04] <mpt> proppy, I'll get back to you on that
[12:04] <proppy> np, I believe the necessary info are on my launchpad page linked above
[12:05] <mpt> ok
[02:13] <Hobbsee> mpt: ping
[02:14] <Hobbsee> just checking, is mainline r4831 currently on edge?
[02:14] <Hobbsee> (https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/malone/+bug/134220)
[02:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134220 in malone "Bug page has no information about current package version" [High,Fix committed]   - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[02:16] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: I don't believe so.
[02:16] <Hobbsee> darn
[02:17] <Hobbsee> oh, does it go on staging instead?
[02:17] <Fujitsu> It's hard to tell, because the revision numbers don't match, and there's no way for mortals to tell between them (I filed that bug earlier..)
[02:17] <Fujitsu> No, it'll go to edge first, AFAIK.
[02:18] <Hobbsee> either i'm blind, or it hasnt appeared on staging yet
[02:18] <Hobbsee> er, edge
[02:18] <Hobbsee> nope.  no dice
[02:18] <mrevell> hi Hobbsee
[02:19] <Hobbsee> mrevell: greetings!  what's the purpose of edge, if not to show all the currently committed code?
[02:19] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Howdy. Its purpose is to allow the code to be used in-situ, before release. Is that what you mean by "showing" code?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> mrevell: in-situ?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> oh, in situation
[02:21] <mrevell> Hobbsee: In place.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> mrevell: why, then, is the above feature not implemented again on edge?
[02:22] <mrevell> bug 134220?
[02:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134220 in malone "Bug page has no information about current package version" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/134220 - Assigned to Matthew Paul Thomas (mpt)
[02:22] <Hobbsee> mrevell: yep
[02:22] <mrevell> let me take a look
[02:24] <pochu> Hobbsee, mrevell: mpt said it's fixed in r4831, but edge is running build 4826
[02:24] <pochu> I guess that's the cause :)
[02:24] <Hobbsee> pochu: ahh.  how can i find what build it's running?
[02:25] <mrevell> pochu: That's a cause but not a reason :)
[02:25] <Hobbsee> oh, i see
[02:25] <pochu> Hobbsee: left down corner
[02:25] <Hobbsee> right, actually
[02:25] <Hobbsee> but thanks :)
[02:25] <pochu> hehe
[02:26] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Updates to edge are suspended at this stage of the LP dev cycle.
[02:26] <mrevell> Hobbsee: Let me check when updates will resume.
[02:27] <Hobbsee> mrevell: then the next question is...if staging is at 4845, why is it not there either?  or is this to do with the revision numbers not matching?
[02:29] <Fujitsu> Hobbsee: Cherry-pickings and the like stuff build numbers up.
[02:29] <Hobbsee> Fujitsu: right
[02:30] <Hobbsee> this all makes soyuz look simple.
[02:32] <mrevell> Hobbsee: I'm on the case to get a good answer.
[02:32] <Hobbsee> mrevell: cool, thanks
[02:32] <matsubara> hi, what rev specifically you're looking for Hobbsee?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> matsubara: heya!   r4831
[02:39] <matsubara> Hobbsee: take bug https://bugs.staging.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/44062 as an example. if you expand the firefox (ubuntu) bugtask you'll see there's a Latest release: in the table.
[02:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 44062 in firefox "Firefox allows cookies to be set for second-level domain hierarchies" [High,Confirmed]   - Assigned to Mozilla Bugs (mozilla-bugs)
[02:42] <matsubara> Hobbsee: we've stopped updating edge because this week we had to land DB patches. Since edge uses the same DB as lpnet, we can't update the code, until we update the DB.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> matsubara: ohh...i see.
[02:43] <Hobbsee> yep
[02:43] <Hobbsee> meh.  that doesnt fix the bug in the way that is actually useful
[02:45] <Fujitsu> Hm, that's really out of place and hidden.
[02:48] <matsubara> Hobbsee, Fujitsu: if that UI isn't working for you, please leave a comment in the bug report telling mpt why not and explaining your use case.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> matsubara: will do.  might poke him over irc first, then take that to the bug report - as we do need this fixed.
[02:49] <Hobbsee> (reasonably quickly)
[02:51] <matsubara> thanks Hobbsee 
[03:18] <evadave> This is probably a silly question, and I have read help.launchpad.net, but, how does a project admin create a list of FAQs? (so that it appears under "List all FAQs". Thanks in advance.
[03:21] <kiko> evadave, you create them based on questions, I believe
[03:22] <evadave> Yeah, I created one but I couldn't see how to make it a FaQ
[03:22] <evadave> s/FaQ/FAQ/
[03:29] <kiko> evadave, based on answered questions, though
[03:29] <kiko> evadave, I'll see to adding a new blog post about this once I find out
[03:35] <evadave> I answered it too :/
[03:36] <evadave> Does somebody else have to answer it? ;)
[03:37] <evadave> Oh I see, it has to be set answered, not solved, and then you can make it a FAQ!
[03:38] <Farranco> Can one use LaunchPad to translate a project that is not open source? Or does LaunchPad require as part of its term of use that all projects be open source?  
[03:39] <kiko> Farranco, it's for open source. contact statik if you'd like to use it for a non-OSS project.
[03:40] <radix> Farranco: you probably want to talk to statik about our comme...
[03:40] <radix> yeah
[03:40] <mrevell> Farranco: Ah, kiko beat me to it :)
[03:40] <statik> hi Farranco, I'm on the phone now, but you can mail me at elliot at canonical and I'll do my best to help
[03:41] <Farranco> Thank you. I have an OS-X project and I make my own shareware and LaunchPad looks nice to help me coordinate with my users as they do the translations out of their own time. Thank you for the answers. I'll drop you an email.
[04:37] <mvo> is there a way to disable using edge.lp.net temporarly? I seem to be unable to reassign bug #137324 with it (got OOPS-619EC59)
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137324 in update-manager "Upgrade from 6.10 to 7.04 failed on mysql-server" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137324
[04:38] <Ng> mvo: if you go to https://launchpad.net/ you can disable it for 2 hours
[04:38] <Ng> I asked the same thing yesterday ;)
[04:42] <mvo> aha, thanks! I went to edge.launchpad.net and was expecting the option there. silly me
[04:42] <Ng> I did precisely the same thing ;)
[04:43] <Nafallo> haha
[04:43] <Nafallo> file a bug
[04:43] <mvo> heh :)
[04:43] <mvo> hrm, looks like I get the same error on the regular launchpad :/ (OOPS-619D1104)
[04:43] <ubotu> https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/619D1104
[04:44] <Nafallo> will any sysadmin go to the releaseparty for gutsy, and will they have a car with a space for a tiny ISP-person if something goes wrong? ;-)
[04:45] <Nafallo> mvo: disable it! ;-)
[04:46] <Nafallo> ehrm... I'm not in the channel I thought I was in :-P
[04:51] <kiko> mvo, let me check.
[04:52] <mvo> kiko: and don't tell me its because I have too many bugs assigned to me :P I know that already
[05:46] <ubotu> New bug: #138916 in launchpad "The number of translations is wrong" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138916
[05:46] <kiko> mvo, that's not an error. it's a timeout.
[05:47] <kiko> :)
[06:13] <mvo> kiko: anything I can do to reassign this bug or to workaorund the timeout? I seem to always get it when trying to reassign the bug
[06:15] <kiko> mvo, keep trying? unfortunately I still need to get this bug fixed meanwhile
[06:30] <ubotu> New bug: #138928 in launchpad-answers "There is no way to create a FAQ without a question" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138928
[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #138929 in launchpad-answers "When no FAQs exist, the link to FAQ page is really weird" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138929
[06:54] <infwonder> hi all! is there any Launchpad admin here?
[06:55] <Odd_Bloke> infwonder: There probably is, but it's best to ask your question and see if anyone answers.
[06:55] <infwonder> I have some questions about the auto-generated user info pages on Launchpad 
[06:56] <Odd_Bloke> infwonder: Try asking them here and, if you don't get the answers you're looking for, try the launchpad-users mailing list.
[06:58] <infwonder> ok, thanks! A friend of mine did some translation for an open-source project, so Lauchpad created a webpage about him, but he is not confortable about it and want to remove the page, is it doable ?
[07:07] <infwonder> anyone ? 
[07:08] <mrevell> infwonder: Hi
[07:08] <infwonder> hi !
[07:08] <mrevell> infwonder: I work on the Launchpad team so I may be able to help.
[07:08] <infwonder> thank you!
[07:08] <infwonder> did you see my question?
[07:09] <infwonder> or should I post them again?
[07:09] <mrevell> infwonder: yes, just writing an answer :)
[07:09] <infwonder> thank you
[07:10] <mrevell> infwonder: What information makes your friend uncomfortable?
[07:11] <infwonder> they use his name (real English name ) in the webpage, I think Launchpad got the name from the "about" page of the software he translated 
[07:12] <mrevell> infwonder: I see. Do you have a link to the page? It's okay, you can send it to me in a private message if you don't want to do it publicly.
[07:14] <infwonder> ok I sent it :)
[07:15] <mrevell> infwonder: Thanks :)
[07:15] <infwonder> can you disable the page  for him ?
[07:16] <mrevell> infwonder: Your friend should visit that page and click "Hey I'm xxxxxxxxx". Doing that he can claim that Launchpad account. Once he's claimed the account, he can then change the display name to something that isn't his real name. It should take no more than 5 minutes.
[07:17] <ddaa> ...
[07:17] <ddaa> sorry, wrong window
[07:18] <mrevell> infwonder: I have to go afk for a while but if your friend has any problems, he or you can email me. use help@launchpad.net
[07:19] <infwonder> well, he was upset because he wasn't noticed about this page , you should have notice every user when you want to make a public pages like that, he think his privacy is offended 
[08:25] <ubotu> New bug: #138949 in malone "There should be a means by which bugtrackers whose bugs have been migrated to launchpad can be identified." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138949
[08:33] <LaserJock> cprov: can we get some sort of PPA feature overview and roadmapish items on the agenda?
[08:33] <LaserJock> it seems to me that there are a few things that PPA already does but people don't know about
[08:33] <LaserJock> i.e. being able to restart a build
[08:34] <laga> right
[08:34] <laga> i didn't know that.
[08:36] <cprov> LaserJock: sure, good point, add it to the wiki page 
[08:37] <kiko> cprov, LaserJock: I think cprov's comment on the ogre model is spot on
[08:42] <LaserJock> the big things is going to be what things are different from PPA than the Debian/Ubuntu archives
[08:42] <LaserJock> and how to actually use the UI
[08:43] <LaserJock> we can give people pointers on .dput.cf and stuff
[08:43] <LaserJock> but we really need to document the diff between PPA and all the "Packaging for Debian/Ubuntu"  guides out there
[08:44] <kiko> carlos, danilos: the current rosetta UI is very slick. nice work.
[08:45] <kiko> carlos, danilos:the only remaining cruft is the "someone should review" and the "add more lines"  button
[08:45] <LaserJock> kiko: what are the chances of getting some info on "future of PPA" like upcoming features, etc. ?
[08:46] <LaserJock> cprov: is it ok if I take out the "What's wrong with REVU" agenda item. It's gonna cause us a lot of grief right now
[08:46] <carlos> kiko: indeed, 'someone should review' should be our next big target once db changes phase2 is completed
[08:47] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, remove it for now, as agreed on email.
[08:48] <kiko> "What's wrong" is a very negative way of putting /anything/
[08:52] <LaserJock> well, I think he said "what's missing"
[08:52] <LaserJock> I was paraphrasing ;-)
[08:52] <LaserJock> man, the wiki preview on help.lp.net is really bad
[08:52] <LaserJock> the "Draft" watermark is not a watermark at all. I can't read anything
[08:53] <LaserJock> kiko, cprov: https://help.launchpad.net/PPA101 look ok?
[08:56] <cprov> LaserJock: yes, it does, thanks. I will try to add more comments this evening.
[09:03] <kiko> look cool!
[09:03] <kiko> err
[09:03] <kiko> looks cool!
[09:18] <fl33tingtime> is this the place to start a new ubuntu-related project?
[09:18] <fl33tingtime> or ask about it
[09:29] <fl33tingtime> hello....
[09:29] <fl33tingtime> anyone there?
[09:29] <fl33tingtime> as in listening....
[09:30] <fl33tingtime> ping
[09:31] <laga> ?
[09:31] <fl33tingtime> thnx.
[09:31] <fl33tingtime> a new ubuntu related project is on my mind
[09:31] <fl33tingtime> is it to be discussed here?
[09:32] <fl33tingtime> ubuntu-love seems to be inactive
[09:32] <laga> not sure if this is the right channels
[09:32] <laga> channel*
[09:34] <ddaa> That's not the right channel
[09:34] <ddaa> I think the folks in #motu would be able to guide you.
[09:35] <fl33tingtime> ddaa : thnx!
[09:43] <ddaa> mrevell: do we have some documentation about where to redirect various ubuntu-related requests?
[09:43] <mrevell> ddaa:  brb phone
[09:44] <mrevell> sorry ddaa
[09:44] <mrevell> back now
[09:44] <mrevell> ddaa: Do you for things similar to that above?
[09:44] <ddaa> I do mean for things similar to that above, if "mean" was indeed the missing word in your sentence
[09:45] <ddaa> Or for example when we got people asking generic packaging questions, at first we said #ubuntu-devel, then a MOTU told us that #motu was better.
[09:46] <ddaa> My problem is that we are embarrassingly ignorant of the structure of the Ubuntu community...
[09:48] <mrevell> ddaa: Yes, sorry, I did mean to write "mean". I'll poke Jono about this, see what he thinks.
[09:48] <ddaa> Thank you.
[09:52] <LaserJock> we could do that pretty easily
[09:53] <LaserJock> mrevell, ddaa: there is https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InternetRelayChat
[09:54] <kiko> ddaa, who's "we"? I claim to know something about the community structure, personally!
[09:54] <LaserJock> but generally you want #ubuntu-motu for packaging/Universe, #ubuntu-devel for general development (not support), and #ubuntu for support
[09:54] <ddaa> it is my impression that "we", as a team, do not know enough about it.
[09:55] <ddaa> we = launchpad developers, collectively
[09:55] <ddaa> maybe the issue is more that I do not know who is knowledgeable in the team.
[09:55] <kiko> I dislike blanket statements that seem to suggest that we're disconnected from our users
[09:56] <kiko> and I'm in a terrible mood today
[09:56] <kiko> so beware!
[09:57] <ddaa> LaserJock: I find this page somewhat scary
[09:58] <kiko> El Phantasmo and the Chicken-run Blast - Wine, Women and Song Mix by White Zombie from Supersexy Swingin' Sounds
[09:58] <kiko> !
[09:58] <LaserJock> ddaa: yeah, you guys might want to have a LP-specific version on your wiki
[10:00] <LaserJock> the big thing is to not send people to #ubuntu-devel for support or packaging questions
[10:00] <LaserJock> and to not send people to #ubuntu-motu for generic Ubuntu questions
[10:00] <mpt> Gooooooooooooooooooooood morning Launchpadders!
[10:01] <ddaa> LaserJock: by "generic ubuntu questions" you mean "generic ubuntu user questions"?
[10:01] <ddaa> I have some idea of the scope and purpose of #ubuntu.
[10:02] <LaserJock> ddaa: well, generic development questions perhaps as well
[10:03] <ddaa> where should these go, then?
[10:03] <LaserJock> like the question you got earlier
[10:03] <ddaa> BTW, I am not sure what qualifies as "generic development question"...
[10:03] <LaserJock> well, most likely #ubuntu-devel
[10:03] <LaserJock> well, MOTU is Universe
[10:03] <LaserJock> so if somebody is asking about something in Main then it should go to #ubuntu-devel
[10:04] <LaserJock>  generally, #ubuntu-motu is Universe+packaging
[10:04] <ddaa> okay, so we can use #ubuntu-devel as our main hub, except for users requesting help about ubuntu usage and generic packaging?
[10:04] <LaserJock> that'll probably work
[10:04] <LaserJock> the problem is that generally #ubuntu-motu is a bit ... softer than #ubuntu-devel
[10:05] <ddaa> what sort of "softer"?
[10:05] <LaserJock> not so harsh
[10:06] <LaserJock> but really #ubuntu-motu shouldn't have to field all questions
[10:06] <ddaa> right, I am a bit hesitant to send to send enthusiastic yet probably inexperienced people there
[10:06] <LaserJock> yeah, I know what you mean
[10:07] <LaserJock> it's also not great for people to get bounced around IRC channels :-)
[10:08] <LaserJock> wow, already 70 PPAs
[10:08] <ddaa> that's why I asked mrevell. But seen we will have the Word From The Chin.
[10:08] <ddaa> s/seen/soon/
[10:08] <LaserJock> shesh, geser's got 302 binaries
[10:08] <laga> LaserJock: i'm wondering, what's the biggest ppa?
[10:09] <LaserJock> depends on what you are measuring
[10:09] <laga> size in bytes? ;)
[10:09] <LaserJock> hmm, don't know that
[10:10] <laga> ah, k
[10:10] <LaserJock> geser's got the most binaries
[10:10] <laga> mine is around 2 GiB right now because old stuff is not automatically purged yet
[10:10] <LaserJock> ~kubuntu-members has got the most source packages
[10:10] <LaserJock> I could totally bloat mine up
[10:11] <LaserJock> I was going to do some TeX stuff
[10:11] <LaserJock> that's around ~700MB per upload
[10:11] <ddaa> Maybe we should not have this sort of "mine is bigger than yours" contest?
[10:11] <LaserJock> what? no karma for PPA uploads? :-)
[10:12] <kiko> no karma for any uploads, period!
[10:12] <LaserJock> I know, it's been on my Top 5 forever
[10:13] <kiko> let's get PPAs and gutsy out and fix that
[10:16] <geser> LaserJock: http://ubuntu.joejaxx.org/ must be sufficient till we get karma for uploads
[10:19] <joejaxx> geser: btw updating that now :D
[10:21] <LaserJock> geser: works fine for you, you're on the list
[10:21] <LaserJock> geser: it's just depressing for me ;-)
[10:22] <geser> joejaxx: iirc you parse the +packages list from LP? is it also counting the ppa uploads which appear also on those pages?
[10:22] <geser> LaserJock: :) upload more
[10:46] <tormod> I made a successful upload to my new PPA, no e-mails, but also no builds in any state. How long should it take?
[10:49] <kiko> tormod, it usually takes a while, depending on how busy the builders are
[10:50] <tormod> kiko: thanks. like 20min or hours?
[10:50] <tormod> is there a way to what the builders are doing, like for the normal ubuntu builders?
[10:51] <tormod> *to see
[10:54] <geser> tormod: yes
[10:54] <LaserJock> tormod: https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/samarium and https://edge.launchpad.net/+builds/promethium
[10:54] <LaserJock> bah, you might need to take the edge. off of that URL
[10:55] <tormod> LaserJock: it redirects to edge anyway
[10:55] <tormod> they seem to be idle ?!
[11:00] <tormod> the build history seems busy. so I guess my upload is not going anywhere?
[11:02] <tormod> I got the "accepted" e-mail now.
[11:08] <LaserJock> tormod: it just takes a while for everything to get processed
[11:10] <tormod> LaserJock: ok no problem. just got worried when I had no feedback and the build servers seemed idle.
[11:29] <kiko> LaserJock, the .changes file is created automatically by dput, right?
[11:29] <LaserJock> not by dput
[11:29] <LaserJock> by debuild
[11:29] <kiko> oh
[11:29] <kiko> thanks.
[11:29] <LaserJock> dput spits out a .upload file
[11:30] <LaserJock> and you gotta either remove it or use dput -f if you want to reupload the same package
[11:33] <LaserJock> is there a particular reason that PPAs can only have FLOSS software?
[11:33] <lifeless> LaserJock: dpkg-buildpackage in fact
[11:33] <lifeless> IIRC :)
[11:33] <LaserJock> lifeless: well yes, I just didn't want to type that much ;-)
[11:33] <lifeless> :)
[11:47] <mdke> anyone know what directory structure is needed for pot/po files to be automatically imported from a package
[11:48] <mdke> ?
[11:48] <LaserJock> I don't think it has to be a specific structure
[11:49] <LaserJock> could be totally wrong though
[11:50] <mdke> LaserJock: I believe so, but I'm not sure; haven't found details in the wiki
[11:51] <LaserJock> yeah, it's quite difficult to find documentation on the packaging part of translations
[11:53] <LaserJock> yeah, they're killing off all the cool names ;-)
[11:56] <mdke> bah, search is still screwed on the wiki
[11:57] <kiko> mdke, we need to blame newz2000!
[11:57] <kiko> I gave him a #@@!# fix about a month ago!!
[11:57] <mdke> kiko: harsh, the bug says he's pushed a fix and is assigned to the sysadmins
[11:58] <mdke> (bug 110181)
[11:58] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 110181 in launchpad "search box in help.launchpad.net wiki template is broken" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/110181 - Assigned to The Canonical Sysadmins (canonical-sysadmins)
[11:58] <kiko> Rinchen, is there an RT for the above?
[11:58] <kiko> mdke, harsh is my middle name!!!!
[11:59] <Rinchen> kiko, yes indeed
[11:59] <mdke> kiko: we knew that
[12:00] <kiko> my eyes water
[12:00] <kiko> and yet I drill on through millions of LOC
[12:00] <mdke> hmm, LOC, *googles*
[12:00] <mdke> letter of credits?
[12:01] <mdke> London Oncology Clinics?
[12:01] <Ubotu> New bug: #138991 in rosetta "Use TranslatableLanguageVocabulary wherever "translatable languages" are checked/listed/chosen" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138991
[12:01] <Ubotu> New bug: #138992 in launchpad "Bug suggestions when reporting a bug should include bug assignee" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138992
[12:01] <kiko> lines of code!!!!!
[12:01] <mdke> shame
[12:06] <Ubotu> New bug: #138993 in launchpad "All bug listings should include an assignee column" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138993
[12:11] <Ubotu> New bug: #138994 in launchpad "It would be nice if a projects had a default milestone" [Low,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138994
[12:13] <mdke> damn screen. Don't suppose I missed someone answering my question about rosetta?
[12:13] <radix> doesn't look like anyone said anything interesting since you said "shame"
[12:14] <kiko> mdke, which question?
[12:14] <mdke> kiko: about what directory format is required for automatic importing of translation templates/translations from a package
[12:15] <kiko> mdke, it only works for packages in main -- you know that, right?
[12:15] <mdke> yes
[12:15] <kiko> so a few different formats are supported
[12:15] <kiko> I could swear this was documented somewhere
[12:15] <mdke> by format, I should have said layout
[12:16] <kiko> yeah
[12:16] <mdke> would this be acceptable:
[12:16] <mdke> packagename/template/template.pot ; packagename/template/cc/cc.po
[12:16] <mdke> rather than having all the po files in a single "po" directory
[12:18] <kiko> yes
[12:18] <kiko> I believe that's supported
[12:18] <mdke> rock
[12:18] <kiko> I can't seem to find the code to actually confirm that though
[12:20] <mdke> no worries, thanks for the help
[12:20] <Ubotu> New bug: #138996 in launchpad-bazaar "Please provide server-side Bazaar repositories" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138996
[12:25] <Ubotu> New bug: #138997 in launchpad "Please allow editing of releases" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138997
[12:30] <Ubotu> New bug: #138999 in malone "Please allow for bugs to be proposed to a milestone and a series" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138999
[12:45] <Ubotu> New bug: #139002 in launchpad "Please create a release overview page similar to the milestone overview" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139002