[01:19] <nikolam> 32 bit or 64 bit?
[01:19] <d4rkmonkey> 32 bit for me!
[01:19] <larson9999> d4rkmonkey, 32.  maybe i should roobt
[01:19] <d4rkmonkey> I dunno?
[01:20] <d4rkmonkey> XD I love the exit command in the default terminal, you can put anything after it.
[01:21] <hab> lol d4rkmonkey
[01:22] <hab> BTW, the flash instlaler in Firefox that was working, at least for me, in Feisty, is broken in Gutsy.
[01:22] <d4rkmonkey> arg.. I really gotta finish this homework
[01:24] <MTecknology> I installed Gutsy a few days ago. It worked great actually. I noticed that lspci revealed my PRO/Wireless 3945 wireless card, however there was no entry for my wireless in the network manager. I also couldn't figure out how to manually get it working b/c it's always just worked.
[01:25] <MTecknology> I just wanted to mention it because I know of a lot of people that use ubuntu with this same hardware.
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> MTecknology at the beginning, mine didn't work because of a messed up sources.list file, or whatever it is..
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> !sources
[01:25] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> erm..
[01:25] <MTecknology> what did you have to do
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> MTecknology gah, I don't have the link, but theres a site which allows you to generate a new sources.list file, and you can always try that.
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> !easysource
[01:25] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:25] <d4rkmonkey> thats it :D
[01:26] <d4rkmonkey> generate a gutsy one, replace yours, then try runnign sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:26] <MTecknology> i always use that :)
[01:26] <MTecknology> but that didn't fix it
[01:27] <IntuitiveNipple> MTecknology: does dmesg report the interface being created?
[01:27] <MTecknology> heck, I don't even do an upgrade till i build my sources.list file :P
[01:27] <MTecknology> IntuitiveNipple, I couldn't tell you. I'm back to 7.04 right now. I do have space for another partition when I give 7.10 a go again
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not had problems with 32- or 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 and PRO/3945
[01:28] <MTecknology> this is a gateway m285-e tablet pc
[01:28] <IntuitiveNipple> The only issues were related to using ipw3945 and open networks, but that was fixed last weekend
[01:28] <MTecknology> there's a sh** load of problems with it
[01:28] <MTecknology> lol
[01:29] <MTecknology> i was trying it on friday and saturday
[01:29] <MTecknology> then maybe my issue was fixewd
[01:29] <IntuitiveNipple> those issues wouldn't stop the ipw3945 being found, just connections to open WAPs failed when WEP and WPA worked
[01:29] <IntuitiveNipple> NetworkManager always found the interface
[01:30] <MTecknology> hrm...
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Best thing to do is boot the LiveCD and the save the contents of /var/log/ to a USB stick or another file-system on the hard drive, then go bakc to Feisty and examine the logs
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Hi bullgard4 how's your ACPI stuff going?
[01:31] <MTecknology> alrighty- I made note of that so when I try it again I'll be able to ask ya about it
[01:32] <IntuitiveNipple> MTecknology: best thing is to search https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[01:32] <MTecknology> k
[01:33] <bullgard4> IntuitiveNipple: I think I have just obtained a major breakthrough: For the first time my laptop resumed from suspend-to-ram. But I need to confirm it.
[01:34] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard4: Is that with the latest Gutsy? There have been some improvements over the last few days, solved a number of outstanding issues
[01:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm running 64-bit Tribe-5 + updates from today and I've got no outstanding issues
[01:34] <bullgard4> IntuitiveNipple: No, ubuntu 7.04 using a 2.6.20-16-gneric kernel.
[01:35] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard4: Ahhh, so time to upgrade :p
[01:36] <bullgard4> IntuitiveNipple: well, just a minute. First I will have to confirm that this resume is really genuine.  -- I will make now another test and will be (hopefully) back here in 10 minutes.
[01:37] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[01:37] <IntuitiveNipple> good luck
[01:42] <tapH20guru> gutsy install worked ok using safe graphics mode...  locks up when starting X after install
[01:42] <TerraMaster> When I go to say sudo python {file} install it says Running build Runing Install and running build_py then it says package directoy src does not exist... any help?
[01:44] <d4rknorris> tapH20guru err, fix things, then try starting X?
[01:44] <TerraMaster> what is x?
[01:45] <xtknight> !X
[01:45] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[01:45] <xtknight> ?dm restart doesnt work, do gdm restart or kdm restart for ubuntu and kubuntu respectively
[01:45] <xtknight> dont even know why it's in the factoid tbh
[01:45] <hydrogen> ?dm should work
[01:46] <hydrogen> yea
[01:46] <hydrogen> it does
[01:46] <xtknight> i tried it on Feisty and it didn't seem to.   weird
[01:46] <TerraMaster> Could anyone help me?
[01:46] <xtknight> but ya it's working fine at least here on gutsy now
[01:46] <xtknight> $ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm
[01:46] <xtknight>  * Usage: /etc/init.d/gdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}
[01:46] <tapH20guru> d4rknorris: no - hard lock with X
[01:47] <tapH20guru> no Alt+F1 love :(
[01:47] <d4rknorris> tapH20guru uhh, boot into recovery mode.
[01:47] <tapH20guru> no video signal at all
[01:47] <xtknight> alt printscreen love
[01:47] <tapH20guru> lol
[01:47] <d4rknorris> tapH20guru hit escape when grub is loading, choose recovery mode?
[01:47] <xtknight> alt print screen K fixes stuff (esp. hard lock of X ) :p  it won't fix it but it will help you debug it
[01:48] <tapH20guru> will do.. just wondering what Sage Graphics Mode does different
[01:48] <tapH20guru> xtknight: ahh very cool will try
[01:48] <xtknight> safe uses a VESA driver
[01:48] <xtknight> it's a standard that should work with all (most?) video cards
[01:48] <xtknight> but it's 2d only
[01:48] <tapH20guru> got ya
[01:48] <xtknight> and slow
[01:50] <IntuitiveNipple> tapH20guru: When X locks, you can often recover to the console using Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+K
[01:50] <xtknight> if a driver's crashing, alt prt scr wont do anything.  at least nothing you can see, because when your video driver is gone your screen wont be showing that console.  that's what happened to me a few times, others sysrq fixed it.  if sysrq fixes it, it's not a driver problem but a software issue (i believe)
[01:53] <tapH20guru> intuitiveNipple: sweet... will try it out
[01:54] <tapH20guru> nice nick
[01:59] <klaxian> anyone notice problems with network manager after an update today?
[02:01] <d4rknorris> klaxian no?
[02:01] <klaxian> i can't seem to connect to my wireless network anymore, but it's working via ethernet cable
[02:04] <IntuitiveNipple> klaxian: What does the log show?
[02:05] <klaxian> ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready
[02:06] <klaxian> dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers
[02:06] <klaxian> doesn't look too helpful
[02:06] <bullgard5> IntuitiveNipple: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works here now as far as I have tested it. But Irssi has given me now the nick 'bullgard5'. I need to find out why.
[02:07] <klaxian> Sep 10 20:02:41 localhost NetworkManager: <debug> [1189468961.805227]  nm_device_802_11_wireless_get_activation_ap(): Forcing AP 'rag'
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard5: because your bullgard4 was still in-use when you returned
[02:08] <klaxian> IntuitiveNipple: it appears like it's trying to connect, but it keeps asking for my password
[02:08] <bullgard5> IntuitiveNipple: But I did not use it. I only told my computer to suspend to RAM.
[02:08] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard5: most IRC clients use an alternate nickname if the primary is in use
[02:08] <bullgard5> But it wa not "in use".
[02:08] <bullgard5> was
[02:09] <klaxian> everything was working fine until some network manager updates today
[02:09] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard5: 00:52 bullgard5 (n=detlef@p54BF0F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #ubuntu+1
[02:09] <IntuitiveNipple> 00:55 bullgard4 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
[02:10] <IntuitiveNipple> bullgard5: You have to /quit to release the nickname, not just drop off
[02:10] <IntuitiveNipple> (or close your IRC client down properly)
[02:11] <bullgard5> IntuitiveNipple: Yes. I  will keep your words in mind but go now to bed. I am happy about this major breakthroug: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works now using sudo s2ram -f -a 1.
[02:12] <IntuitiveNipple> :)
[02:25] <Eleaf> is the newest gutsy release tribe6?
[02:26] <Eleaf> or 5?
[02:28] <Eleaf> hey, anybody here?
[02:32] <hydrogen> tribe6 was just a milestone
[02:32] <hydrogen> not an official "release"
[02:32] <Eleaf> oh okay.
[02:32] <Eleaf> Would you recommend upgrading?  I just got a new harddrive and want to reinstall my system (currently running Feisty), hydrogen
[02:33] <Eleaf> I normally run bleeding edge ubuntu, is it too early or relatively stable?
[02:33] <hydrogen> I'd keep it at feisty
[02:33] <hydrogen> its relativly stable
[02:33] <hydrogen> but feistys fine
[02:33] <Eleaf> hmm
[02:35] <benanzo> Gutsy hasn't suffered any major bugs since ~tribe 3.  We're likely not going to see anything  pop up that kills X or prevents you from booting, but that's not to say that we don't have the occasional desktop bug.
[02:35] <Eleaf> I'm kinda liking the look of the graphical x-conf tool and printing and such
[02:36] <benanzo> Eleaf: display-config-gtk routinely hard resets my system when I test the settings.
[02:36] <Eleaf> aha
[02:36] <benanzo> Eleaf: but it's known and being worked on
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> Eleaf: Since Tribe-5 I've been running 64-bit as my production platform
[02:37] <benanzo> Eleaf: most of the code in it is geared toward xorg 7.3, which hasn't shown up yet.  So I can't blame them.
[02:37] <Eleaf> I see..
[02:37] <Eleaf> I may want to try it..
[02:37] <Eleaf> Where is the newest iso?
[02:38] <IntuitiveNipple> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[02:39] <Eleaf> IntuitiveNipple, daily build seems safe?
[02:39] <IntuitiveNipple> Eleaf: They generally contain what the updates push out
[02:39] <Eleaf> hmm, yours is running okay today? lol
[02:41] <osmosis> why does my /etc/motd  get overwritten all the time to the default?
[02:41] <IntuitiveNipple> I do kernel development (Eclipse), Google Earth, bluetooth devices, encrypted file-systems, and other push-the-envelope stuff and not having much in the way of problems
[02:42] <IntuitiveNipple> flash-nonfree 9 works in Firefox (with npwrapper), can't think of any real problems now.
[02:43] <IntuitiveNipple> plenty of niggles
[02:44] <Eleaf> IntuitiveNipple, why do you need 'npwrapper'? oh, 64 bit..
[02:44] <Eleaf> how does that work under 64?
[02:44] <IntuitiveNipple> nicely
[02:44] <Eleaf> cool, is pulseaudio the default sound system?
[02:44] <Eleaf> that's why I use in feisty
[02:45] <bronson> IntuitiveNipple: Wait, you run Eclipse on Gutsy?
[02:45] <Eleaf> and was using compiz fusion, but then it got weird with some drivers.
[02:45] <bronson> Doesn't it suffer from that GTK+ toolbar crasher?
[02:46] <IntuitiveNipple> when you remember to apply the fix for the broken package-script at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/131128/comments/4
[02:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131128 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree does not install properly" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[02:47] <IntuitiveNipple> bronson: Yes, 3.3 with Java 1.6 and MyEclipse 3
[02:47] <bronson> You didn't need to recompile GTK+?
[02:47] <IntuitiveNipple> nope
[02:47] <bronson> Huh, I thought it affected all SWT.  Interesting.
[02:47] <IntuitiveNipple> bronson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544032
[02:53] <bronson> IntuitiveNipple: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/128232
[02:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128232 in eclipse "Eclipse SEGFAULTs in libgtk-x11: gtk_tooltips_set_tip()" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[02:54] <bronson> (took a while to find it again)
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> I monitored that - but my installation (Eclipse Europa 3.3) doesn't have the problem. I think that's with the Ubuntu repo's 3.2
[02:56] <bronson> Guess I'll quit waiting to take my desktop machine to Gutsy then.
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> It's not difficult installing 3.3 from Eclipse, after all, its all java :)
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> The performance improvement on 64-bit is impressive, too
[02:58] <bronson> That's the only way I run Eclipse...  I had endless problems with plugins when using the Feisty package.
[02:58] <bronson> 3.3 + CDT + Aptana is pretty darned nice.
[02:58] <bronson> + Subclipse + QuantumDB + ...   er...   a few others.
[03:02] <IntuitiveNipple> CDT does well with kernel-development; handles the large trees really well
[03:02] <IntuitiveNipple> I often have three kernel-version projects open at the same time
[03:03] <bronson> Really??  Wow, that's better than me.
[03:04] <bronson> Presumably the kernel codebase is more, ah, predictable than my company's codebase.  :)
[03:04] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[03:04] <osmosis> should I use a tribe release, or just use a daily ?
[03:05] <IntuitiveNipple> dailies have the updates rolled into them, so it saves downloading
[03:05] <osmosis> no tribe 6 ?
[03:05] <osmosis> IntuitiveNipple: where do I get it from ?
[03:06] <IntuitiveNipple> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/
[03:41] <DanaG> Hmm, I got my laptop back, but I won't have access to my existing Gutsy install.
[03:41] <DanaG> Is it worth doing a fresh install, and then matching packages and such?
[03:42] <DanaG> Or should I just wait and duplicate back my backup?
[03:51] <jordan_> Good evening, I installed gusty tribe 5 on my laptop, and wireless (rt73 chipset) worked great, then I updated.  Now wireless wont work!  Any ideas?
[04:40] <osmosis> I boot off the installer cd, and the installer icon doesnt even launch anything.
[04:54] <cld2> is it possible to get the messages that scroll buy during boot? after the kernel takes over before the login? dmesg is not showing the hardware errors I see. thanks.
[06:50] <thumper> how do I enable compiz on kubuntu+1?
[06:58] <kousotu> Where might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader?
[07:19] <kousotu> Where might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader? My internal isn't working and I want to know why
[08:06] <jscinoz> is Thunderbird broken for anyone else? I get a segfault on opening any emails/rssfeeds
[08:29] <Kousotu> I need a Texas instruments: PCIxx21/x515/xx12 driver for linux. where can I find one?
[08:31] <DanaG> Cardbus controller, or SD card reader?
[08:31] <Kousotu> 6in one
[08:32] <DanaG> Hmm, there
[08:32] <Kousotu> I just ned Memorystick PRO though
[08:32] <DanaG> There's the tifm_7xx1 module.  I'm not sure whether memorystick (or pro) is supported.
[08:32] <Kousotu> I don;t use the other ones
[08:32] <DanaG> I know XD, for example, is definitely not.
[08:32] <Kousotu> lol
[08:32] <DanaG> MS / MS Pro might not be, either.
[08:32] <Kousotu> well I NEED pro
[08:33] <Kousotu> otherwise, I donn;t care
[08:33] <Kousotu> oh hell, I'l give it a shot
[08:34] <Kousotu> I got a 32mb stick that can die
[08:34] <Kousotu> lol
[08:34] <DanaG> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2626
[09:04] <jscinoz> Are global keyhooks possible without root privileges? i need one that interfaces with my java program >_<
[09:14] <cr1ss> hello, here is my problem : recently, I installed fusion-icon from a .deb file for feisty.. I don't think that's a problem. Well, after that, when I log into ubuntu, I can't see the menu bar in the upper part of the screen, as well as my avant window navigator bar.. but, when I activate the cube, everything appears again.. what's that ? :>
[09:21] <scizzo-> cr1ss: sounds strange
[09:21] <cr1ss> extremely
[09:25] <jussi01> cr1ss: so when you login you have problems, but when you tuern compiz on then everything works?
[09:25] <cr1ss> compiz fusion is enabled by default
[09:26] <jsomers> I think that depends on the hardware
[09:26] <cr1ss> it's just, when I login, I can't see my menu bar and awn bar, but, when I press ctrl+alt+button1 to see the cube, everything reappears
[09:26] <jussi01> cr1ss: that does indeed sound strange. more people likely to know in #ubuntu-effects though
[09:26] <jsomers> I installed tribe 5 on my laptop yesterday and there it is not enabled
[09:26] <cr1ss> I 'll ask there too
[09:26] <mmlinux> I have a question
[09:27] <mmlinux> the accounts are confusing me a bit
[09:27] <jsomers> how?
[09:28] <mmlinux> My current ubuntu 7.04 rig is set up like this: root< seems to be disabled/All privelges unchecked   admin< administer system to remove software, ect and then matt < my simple user accounr
[09:28] <mmlinux> but admin sorta seems like root whats the difference
[09:30] <jsomers> your user has the ability to perform admin/root actions, such as installing software
[09:30] <jsomers> it uses sudo to do that
[09:30] <mmlinux> basically i went above and beyond security wise and made a admin account for maintence related, and my account has no admin abilitys
[09:30] <jsomers> sudo is basically telling that your account (the one you set up by default) has the abillity to do admin stuff
[09:32] <mmlinux> i just noticed i went into users and groups (from admin) and i noticed that ubuntu's bash shell asks for a password in sudo AND its using admins password as root and not the root password i made in users and groups
[09:32] <mmlinux> example sudo su
[09:32] <mmlinux> password:
[09:33] <mmlinux> my admin account password is the root password?
[09:33] <jsomers> sudo asks for your user password
[09:33] <jsomers> to verify
[09:33] <mmlinux> oh
[09:33] <jsomers> sudo is a tool to allow a simple user to perform root operations
[09:33] <jsomers> you can specify which operations it can do
[09:33] <jsomers> eg, only install software, but not  remove files outside of home
[09:33] <jsomers> by default ubuntu allows it to do everything
[09:34] <mmlinux> so security wise is my idea of ADMIN (change software) and User (use only) any good?
[09:34] <mmlinux> or can no damage be done by me being an admin?
[09:34] <jsomers> depends, if you consider yourself an insecure user :)
[09:34] <mmlinux> by external people
[09:35] <mmlinux> im minimalistic and i got lokkit set to high
[09:35] <jsomers> you can create a new user for example (guest) with no admin rights if other people need to use your computer
[09:35] <mmlinux> but i figured if someone gets in from the outside that my idea of admin/user would work
[09:35] <mmlinux> Outside (hacker) not physical poeple
[09:35] <jsomers> ubuntu aims for new users, and they don't want to be bothered too much with multiple accounts
[09:36] <jsomers> yes, that might cause security problems
[09:36] <jsomers> but that requires him to gain access to your pc first
[09:36] <mmlinux> is admin as damageing as root?
[09:36] <scizzo-> mmlinux: most of the times they try to use the root account
[09:36] <mmlinux> or can he only change software ect?
[09:37] <jsomers> if you use a firewall (software or hardware based) you already secure your pc
[09:37] <scizzo-> mmlinux: the sudo stuff is basicly levels of what you can do to the system
[09:37] <jsomers> mmlinux: yes
[09:37] <jsomers> because ubuntu allows it to do everything
[09:37] <mmlinux> i have router plus lokkit and the account i use is NONadmin
[09:37] <jsomers> you can disable that however
[09:37] <jsomers> but then you will have to use a root account to install applications or modify things outside of /home/user
[09:38] <mmlinux> root account is dead, u guys did that by default
[09:38] <jsomers> no
[09:38] <mmlinux> i have a admin i made
[09:38] <jsomers> it's not dead
[09:38] <scizzo-> mmlinux: no...not dead...
[09:38] <mmlinux> i cant login to it
[09:38] <mmlinux> and all privileges are off
[09:39] <scizzo-> mmlinux: try using sudo -s -H
[09:39] <scizzo-> then type the user password....
[09:39] <scizzo-> then you get to root dir
[09:39] <scizzo-> thing is....there is not password for root
[09:39] <scizzo-> and the first user created will be the main admin account
[09:40] <mmlinux> so how do i lock down root and put it to "sleep" for say?
[09:40] <scizzo-> mmlinux: well you never want to do that
[09:40] <scizzo-> mmlinux: cause things in the system are owned by root
[09:40] <mmlinux> why? no password is bad isnt it?
[09:41] <scizzo-> mmlinux: no.....it only means that the account is not suable
[09:41] <scizzo-> mmlinux: or that it is login able unless you are on the machine having a account that has admin right
[09:41] <scizzo-> mmlinux: sudo sets the level of admin you want to use
[09:41] <mmlinux> that means its not accessible from my basic account
[09:41] <mmlinux> the root accoutn^^
[09:41] <jsomers> mmlinux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:41] <scizzo-> mmlinux: for example: I have a file somewhere that I only want user dumdidum to read....
[09:42] <scizzo-> mmlinux: I can set the read/write admin rights to this by using sudo
[09:42] <scizzo-> mmlinux: the first account created is a admin
[09:43] <scizzo-> mmlinux: typing: sudo -s -H
[09:43] <scizzo-> mmlinux: then use the user password....then bam you are root with a shell
[09:43] <mmlinux> whats sudo -s -H
[09:43] <mmlinux> oh
[09:43] <scizzo-> mmlinux: man sudo
[09:43] <scizzo-> mmlinux: really...mate...
[09:44] <nanonyme> hehe
[09:44] <mmlinux> me being root is really BAD isnt it i mean id be wielding a bit much power there eh?
[09:44] <scizzo-> mmlinux: maybe
[09:44] <mmlinux> <<< cue me nuking my pc be accident lol
[09:44] <mmlinux> by^
[09:45] <scizzo-> mmlinux: but.....if you are the admin of the machine then why not?
[09:45] <mmlinux> Im not
[09:45] <scizzo-> mmlinux: its like saying "I want a car that I don't own that I still can trash!"
[09:45] <mmlinux> i disabled my own admin rights and a made an 3rd account called admin
[09:45] <scizzo-> mmlinux: right...so now you have to use admin for updates?
[09:46] <mmlinux> i dnt know, i have an update manager but no synaptic or add/remove
[09:46] <mmlinux> admin has it all
[09:46] <scizzo-> mmlinux: so how did you remove the rights for the admin user?
[09:47] <scizzo-> mmlinux: well the update-manager if you can't access the system then it can install...
[09:47] <scizzo-> mmlinux: _IF_ you are not admin
[09:47] <mmlinux> i went users and groups, i turned off adminster privelge for my account and made a new account for administering the system
[09:47] <scizzo-> mmlinux: ....OUCH
[09:47] <scizzo-> mmlinux: well...ok....
[09:47] <mmlinux> huh?
[09:48] <scizzo-> mmlinux: think you need to read up a bit on sudo and root stuff
[09:48] <mmlinux> i basically made the admin a 3rd person, so if i were to be hacked in my normal account they cant do much (no admin rights)
[09:49] <mmlinux> but then again I cant do much either lol
[09:49] <scizzo-> mmlinux: you do realize that the user you have still has admin right right?
[09:49] <mmlinux> it cant be
[09:49] <mmlinux> i cant even sudo in bash
[09:49] <scizzo-> mmlinux: actually it is
[09:49] <scizzo-> mmlinux: what?
[09:49] <scizzo-> mmlinux: jesus.....o well have fun
[09:50] <mmlinux> I cant sudo su or sudo lokkit or anything in bash other than non-admin commands
[09:50] <mmlinux> unless i log into the admin account then i can
[09:51] <scizzo-> mmlinux: type groups
[09:51] <scizzo-> mmlinux: you have a admin in that list?
[09:52] <scizzo-> mmlinux: aaa..wait
[09:52] <mmlinux> Give me one sec
[09:52] <mmlinux> huh
[09:52] <scizzo-> mmlinux: that is the group you removed
[09:52] <mmlinux> I went to privelges and unchecked administer system
[09:52] <scizzo-> mmlinux: yep
[09:52] <mmlinux> thats what i did and i figured thats what it did
[09:52] <mmlinux> << it weeniefied my account
[09:52] <scizzo-> mmlinux: its all the members of the group admin that is the sudo people
[09:53] <scizzo-> well I belive you still need to read more about the stuff about sudo and so on
[09:53] <mmlinux> i cant sudo in my account by as admin i cant sudo (yell at root to do something for me) ?
[09:53] <scizzo-> you seem to paranoid to me... :P
[09:53] <mmlinux> CAN sudo^
[09:53] <mmlinux> i think i got it now
[09:54] <mmlinux> an admin can pester the hell out of root to run commands by typing sudo
[09:54] <mmlinux> hehe thats my spin on it^
[09:55] <scizzo-> sorry mate...I have to say man sudo again
[09:56] <mmlinux> sudo means superuser do right? superuser is root right? ubuntu doesnt let you loginto root but will let u sudo or ask root to run the command, and what i did was turn my admin rights off so i cant sudo right?
[09:58] <scizzo-> man visudo
[09:59] <mmlinux> visudo?
[09:59] <scizzo-> mmm
[09:59] <mmlinux> huh as admin its "permission denied"
[09:59] <scizzo-> the editor for the sudo file
[09:59] <scizzo-> try it with your user
[09:59] <mmlinux> do i need to be sudo su?
[09:59] <scizzo-> nope
[10:00] <scizzo-> its a man file
[10:00] <mmlinux> i cant its permission denied
[10:00] <scizzo-> ooo you are running the command
[10:00] <scizzo-> I said man visudo
[10:01] <mmlinux> ohhhh dam lol "man visudo" i thought you were being impatient and man!!  hehe
[10:01] <mmlinux> that is one hefty chunk console text goodness
[10:06] <mmlinux> thanks for your help guys
[10:08] <mmlinux> <<<<me using linux is almost laughable its like a 6 year old holding a remote to a nuke and saying "ooooooooh shiny button"
[10:08] <mmlinux> lol
[10:08] <mmlinux> im just glad it isnt like windows and falls apart and becomes unusable from acts of stupidity.....
[10:09] <mmlinux> seeya guys
[10:24] <xy77> I updated from feisty to gutsy yesterday. Running Xgl significantly slows down the display. I looked at launchpad for xgl slow, but couldn't find any clues. Can someone give me a hint on where to look or what might be wrong?
[10:24] <xy77> When I run X manually, the speed is okay. I tried ati as well as fglrx driver.
[10:25] <Amaranth> xy77: Xgl on fglrx is slow unless you use compiz
[10:34] <xy77> Thanks for the hint. It seems I had some old compiz packages instlled. I removed them and reinstalled compiz. I will try to see if it works...
[10:52] <xy77> I get the following error when changing to compiz: Fatal: Support for non power of two textures missing; no managable screens found.
[10:55] <Amaranth> xy77: does metacity start back up then?
[10:57] <xy77> Amaranth: I use beryl-manager to switch wms, and it says it runs compiz... I can change back to metacity tough. If I try beryl, it says cant start beryl-xgl.
[10:58] <Amaranth> ah, so you're not using gutsy
[10:58] <Amaranth> probably the wrong channel then
[10:58] <xy77> Amaranth: I'm surely using gutsy, I updated yesterday.
[10:58] <Amaranth> xy77: then you shouldn't be using beryl anything
[10:59] <Amaranth> beryl is gone
[11:02] <xy77> Amaranth: Okay, so I removed the beryl packages and tried a compiz --replace. It seems to run, but It says no mangable screens found. And the screen rendering is still extremely slow.
[11:02] <Amaranth> compiz.real --version
[11:04] <xy77> Amaranth: compiz 0.5.3
[11:04] <DSpair> I have a question about using the network-connection-manager with vpnc... How can configure other options or set defaults?
[11:05] <Amaranth> xy77: then it's not lying, you can't use compiz
[11:05] <xy77> jussi01: IBM Thinkpad T42p with a ATI FireGL Mobility T2
[11:05] <DSpair> Particularly, I need to set the "Vendor cisco" and "Nat Traversal Mode cisco-udp"
[11:05] <Amaranth> does that work with the open source driver?
[11:07] <xy77> Amaranth: so there's no way of making the default Xgl server that starts up faster?
[11:07] <Amaranth> no, just uninstall it
[11:08] <Amaranth> Xgl only starts like that if you manually installed it
[11:08] <DSpair> Has anyone else noticed Wireless connections dropping after a time?
[11:08] <Amaranth> DSpair: i have but that's because my router sucks and has to be restarted every 2-12 hours
[11:09] <xy77> Amaranth: I see, that's the problem.
[11:09] <xy77> *brb*
[11:23] <xy77> Thanks for the help Amaranth, no I get the default X session instead of the xgl one. That's much better, although I have no clue, why I can't enable desktop effects. I uninstalled compiz, since you said I can't use it, but now it complains about missing compiz. I don't get it.
[11:23] <Amaranth> heh
[11:23] <Amaranth> compiz is a part of the desktop
[11:23] <Amaranth> ubuntu-desktop, i mean
[11:23] <Amaranth> but it won't even try to run if you're not using Xgl
[11:25] <xy77> What makes me wonder is, that desktop effects work fine if I run a livecd. So I figure it has something to do with my configuration.
[11:26] <xy77> And I always hope there is a way of getting around a fresh install by changing things.
[11:27] <Amaranth> if it works on a live cd that means you don't need fglrx
[11:27] <Amaranth> if you uninstall fglrx and change your driver back to 'ati' it should work
[11:27] <xy77> I see. I'll try that.
[11:28] <Amaranth> you have to restart after uninstalling fglrx
[11:28] <Amaranth> it craps into lots of places you wouldn't think it would
[11:29] <xy77> *brb* *hopesto*
[11:36] <_4strO> hi there
[11:43] <nanonyme> that is, if ubuntu+1 will have it installed in any case
[11:51] <xy77> Just wanted to check back and tell you it worked. After uninstalling fglrx drivers and rebooting, I could enable desktop effects. Had to reinstall compiz, since ubuntu-desktop didn't recognize them as missing, which it should if I understand it correctly. Thanks for the help guys.
[12:17] <mrtimdog> Hi, is there a how-to for kubuntu (gutsy) and compiz?
[12:19] <yellowChicken> compiz?
[12:19] <Hobbsee> install compiz-kde and ccsm, and compiz --replace
[12:21] <yellowChicken> compiz same as berly?
[12:21] <stdin> not the same, but not that different :p
[12:22] <mrtimdog> Hobbsee: thanks, giving it a try...
[12:23] <stdin> mrtimdog: the package for ccsm is compizconfig-settings-manager
[12:24] <mrtimdog> Already installed. I've just moved from ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop. Just getting used to the kdeisms :)
[12:26] <mrtimdog> Compiz running :)
[12:35] <snadge> kde is for poofs
[12:35] <snadge> :P
[12:36] <yellowChicken> mrtimdog: wow, that was fast, how did u do it?
[12:36] <snadge> actually im about 36 hours into an emerge gnome, theres no way im switching to kde.. hehe
[12:37] <mrtimdog> Set up my xorg,conf with nvidia-settings, installed the pkgs you mentioned, ran compiz --replace, ran kde-window-decorator :)
[12:38] <mrtimdog> Just installed the extra compiz plugins, configuring a couple now for more subtle effects that I can do real work without being distracted too much!
[01:01] <AnRkey> don't you just hate it when u can't reproduce a bug!?
[01:01] <AnRkey> hi all
[01:09] <Pici> Then its a feature ;p
[01:45] <_MMA_> I'm getting this with the newest update to system-config-printer. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37097
[01:51] <KenSentMe> Anyone here who uses networkmanager in gutsy to connect to wireless networks using PEAP?
[01:55] <mojo_> hi there everyone
[01:55] <mojo_> i run into a problem with MPD and mpc
[01:55] <jrib> mojo_: check /var/log/mpd/errors.log (but explain your issue here too so others can help)
[01:55] <mojo_> okay
[01:58] <jrib> mojo_: keep discussion here please
[01:58] <Pici> !paste | mojo_
[01:58] <ubotu> mojo_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:58] <mojo_> ubotu: thx
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <jrib> mojo_: I think I see the issue... mpd wants to use OSS instad of alsa for some reason.
[01:59] <mojo_> jrib: alsa is also busy
[01:59] <mojo_> jrib: wait for my pastebin
[02:01] <mojo_> jrib, ubotu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37099/
[02:01] <DanaG> !!!bot
[02:01] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:02] <mojo_> I think the config file for alsa output is wrong, I don't know how to find out the info about alsa anyway
[02:03] <jrib> mojo_: did you add the audio stuff or was that default?
[02:03] <mojo_> jrib: I only add the esd
[02:04] <instabin|work> When is tribe 6 going to be released
[02:04] <mojo_> jrib: let me remove and test it w/o esd part
[02:04] <instabin|work> its already past due
[02:04] <Pici> instabin|work: Read the topic.
[02:04] <instabin|work> Pici I did read the topic
[02:04] <instabin|work> !topic
[02:04] <ubotu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
[02:04] <jrib> mojo_: if that doesn't work, try commenting everything audio related.  My mpd.conf in feisty doesn't have any it and it detects things fine
[02:04] <Pici> instabin|work: "Following discussion with the QA, GNOME, Linux, installer and other teams we have decided not to make a formal release for Tribe 6, but rather to use it as a milestone for bugfixing. "
[02:05] <instabin|work> Pici: that is not what the topic says
[02:06] <Pici> instabin|work: yes, it is.
[02:06] <instabin|work> The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | For tribe 6 info, see http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g
[02:06] <instabin|work> that is what i see for the topic
[02:06] <jrib> instabin|work: "For tribe 6 info..."
[02:06] <Pici> instabin|work: For Tribe 6 info see  http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g
[02:06] <instabin|work> sry
[02:06] <mojo_> jrib: okay, let me try comment all out
[02:07] <mojo_> jrib: you rocks!!! It WORKS!! YAY!
[02:07] <mojo_> jrib: omg, how i could thank u
[02:08] <jrib> mojo_: if you want, try 'sudo aptitude purge mpd && sudo aptitude install mpd'.  If it brings in the mpd.conf that does not work again, it would be cool if you could file a bug
[02:08] <jrib> oh, 'sudo aptitude update' first
[02:09] <mojo_> jrib: it works!, just comment those output and it works!
[02:09] <mojo_> jrib: thank you so much :)
[02:09] <jrib> mojo_: np, checking if the bug exists after you purge and reinstall is so others don't have to go through this
[02:10] <mojo_> jrib: it's just my fault, I was do a manual tarball compile b4 moving to debian
[02:10] <jrib> oh, ok
[02:15] <Krymzon> is it only me whose gnome-terminal (among others) has broken today?
[02:16] <Krymzon> seems to be a libc issue...
[02:35] <Kristizz> hi guys
[02:35] <Kristizz> is anyone able to direct me to a sensible way to upgrade feisty to herd 5 using apt?
[02:47] <Sevenhill> hi tjere
[02:47] <Sevenhill> hi there
[02:47] <Sevenhill> do you have any information about when it might be released the tribe 6 ?
[02:47] <ikonia> its in the topic
[02:48] <Sevenhill> hmm sorry about it i just seen that after i press enter
[02:49] <Pici> ikonia: !tribe6 now gives that info fyi :)
[02:49] <ikonia> nice new factiod, thanks
[02:49] <ikonia> I just noticed it in the topic
[02:50] <IdleOne> !tribe6 > IdleOne
[03:00] <scottywz-iPhone> Test
[03:04] <__tim> IdleOne: must be to avoid naming conflicts with packages belonging to the s3cr3t new sexbuntu flavour ;-)
[03:05] <IdleOne> __tim: shhhhhhhhh! it's a secret
[03:31] <IdleOne> hehe I have an issue here. got this LARGE black band going across my screen guess it is about 3 inches think just above center screen. think I saw somebody a few days ago have an issue like this but not sure what the solution might be
[03:32] <amr> !gusty | amr
[03:32] <amr> afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:32] <Pici> IdleOne: If you can, check launchpad, I remember reading about that issue there.
[03:32] <IdleOne> Pici: I'll try but might not be easy
[03:33] <Lynoure> IdleOne: it does sound familiar, but from Dapper times
[03:34] <amr> afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:34] <amr> afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:34] <IdleOne> Pici: would you mind searching launchapd for me. this makes it impossible to read anything on top half of screen
[03:35] <Pici> IdleOne: I'll take a look
[03:35] <IdleOne> thank you
[03:36] <MrStein> are there no more nice web pages about a beta release, as they were for dapper ?
[03:37] <Pici> IdleOne: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/137604
[03:38] <IdleOne> lemme look and see
[03:38] <IdleOne> if I can
[03:38] <Pici> IdleOne: Says that the only solution right now is to downgrade to your xserver-xorg-core package.
[03:38] <Amaranth> Pici: you're showing your beta-testerness :P
[03:38] <Pici> Amaranth: ;)
[03:39] <IdleOne> ok how do I downgrade that package?
[03:39] <IdleOne> to what version?
[03:40] <amr> apparmor_parser
[03:40] <amr> afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:41] <IdleOne> I read a little further :/
[03:42] <TehRandom> k
[03:42] <TehRandom> silly question guys... how the hell do i enable SSHD on 7.10
[03:42] <Pici> TehRandom: Same way you do on 7.04
[03:43] <TehRandom> k, which is?
[03:43] <TehRandom> i'm new to Ubuntu
[03:43] <amr> afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and no progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to continue  or type root password for maintainence and the message is /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:43] <ikonia> then perhaps using the dev vesion isn't a good idea
[03:44] <TehRandom> ikonia, is the process to enable a service different than the LTS version?
[03:44] <ikonia> enable what exactly ?
[03:44] <amr> hallo any one can help me
[03:44] <ikonia> sorry I missed your full question
[03:44] <TehRandom> services in general, SSHD in specific
[03:44] <ikonia> have you installed it ?
[03:44] <TehRandom> i'm used to slackware's methodology
[03:44] <amr>  afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and no progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to continue  or type root password for maintainence and the message is /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed
[03:44] <TehRandom> yes, i've installed it and the network is up
[03:45] <ikonia> TehRandom then ssh is enabled. It runs at startup by default
[03:45] <Pici> amr: No need to repeat so quickly, there arent very many people here and its not that busy.
[03:45] <Pici> amr: Check for a bug on launchpad and if it doesnt exist you may want to add one.
[03:45] <TehRandom> ikonia, someone yesterday said that no services were enabled by default....
[03:45] <ikonia> TehRandom well, ssh is
[03:46] <TehRandom> i can ping the IP, but the connection on port 22 is refused instantly
[03:46] <ikonia> TehRandom have you checked if ssh is runnign ?
[03:46] <TehRandom> does 7.10 ship w/ a firewall on by default?
[03:46] <ikonia> running
[03:46] <Pici> ikonia: ssh isnt on the default install iirc.
[03:46] <ikonia> Pici no, but he said he's installed it
[03:46] <TehRandom> there's a /etc/ssh
[03:46] <ikonia> TehRandom thats not what I asked
[03:46] <TehRandom> you're saying the package itself isnt installed by default?!
[03:46] <ikonia> TehRandom I asked 1.) have you installed ssh server (openssh-server)
[03:46] <ikonia> TehRandom 2.) if sshd was running
[03:47] <ikonia> TehRandom no - thats why I asked if you had installed it
[03:47] <amr> pici , sorry for repeating but i didn't find it in launchpad and i did post one other than this before but didn't recieve fix tillnow
[03:47] <TehRandom> i'm sorry
[03:47] <TehRandom> you said <ikonia> have you installed it ?
[03:47] <ikonia> yes
[03:47] <TehRandom> and i thought you meant the distro itself
[03:47] <ikonia> have you installed it
[03:47] <ikonia> ooh come on
[03:47] <TehRandom> shrug... my mistake
[03:47] <TehRandom> i will go install it... that'll probably help me SSH in ;)
[03:48] <ikonia> the package is openssh-server
[03:48] <TehRandom> so to back the question to a more general one, what is the method by which services are enabled/disabled on boot ?
[03:48] <TehRandom> in slack you set /etc/rc.d/rc.servicename +x or -x
[03:48] <ikonia> TehRandom random - but ssh is enabled by default
[03:48] <TehRandom> i understand, but i'm asking about things moving forwards
[03:49] <ikonia> the init daemon is called upstart
[03:49] <TehRandom> i'm trying to get a feel for Ubuntu server, and how it manages things
[03:49] <TehRandom> have you ever played w/ Vmware on ubuntu server?
[03:54] <TehRandom> ok
[03:54] <TehRandom> i'm confused
[03:54] <Pici> hmm?
[03:55] <TehRandom> it says that I should be able to sudo as the user that i specified during install
[03:55] <TehRandom> and that the root user had a locked password
[03:55] <Pici> Yes.
[03:55] <TehRandom> but when i sudo aptitude, it asks for a password
[03:55] <Pici> Yes, put in your user password.
[03:55] <TehRandom> and aptitude wont let me "become root"
[03:55] <TehRandom> i did that.
[03:55] <TehRandom> and it said no
[03:55] <Pici> TehRandom: I dont think you should be running Gutsy if you are having this many issues already.
[03:56] <TehRandom> is feisty that much different?
[03:56] <Pici> TehRandom: Feisty is at least stable.
[03:56] <TehRandom> i dont think the problem is distro stability
[03:56] <Armor_Azrael> No, not different, but this channel is primarily for debugging gutsy
[03:56] <TehRandom> it's my newbishness at ubuntu
[03:56] <ikonia> perhaps a development version of ubuntu is not appropriate to pick up ubuntu
[03:56] <Armor_Azrael> If you want help for regular problems, probably want to at least ask questions in #ubuntu
[03:56] <TehRandom> is there a channel for Ubuntu Server specific?
[03:57] <Pici> TehRandom: No, #ubuntu handles most everything
[03:57] <TehRandom> k
[03:57] <IdleOne> Pici: ty for finding that bug. downgrade worked
[03:57] <Pici> IdleOne: No problem
[03:58] <IdleOne> nowupdate manager wants to upgrade again hehe. how do I make it ignore that upgrade?
[03:59] <IdleOne> yup wants to upgrade xserver-xorg-core
[04:01] <TehRandom> thank you for the help guys, i'm downloading 6.06 so as to not put any strain on the debug team with my n00bness
[04:02] <IdleOne> TehRandom: you can help by running gutsy and finding/reporting bugs if you feel comfortable with that if not 6.06 is a good choice
[04:03] <TehRandom> i'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu in general to know a bug in this version versus intended operation
[04:03] <Pici> IdleOne: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto
[04:03] <IdleOne> TehRandom: that is cool. looking forward to seeing you in #ubuntu :)
[04:03] <IdleOne> ty Pici
[04:04] <TehRandom> been there since yesterday :)
[04:10] <IdleOne> Pici: that pinning howto is a little confusing hehe
[04:11] <Pici> IdleOne: Its what ubotu's factoid says
[04:11] <KenSentMe> Anyone else upgraded system-config-printer to the latest versie (0.7.74 or something)? The program doesn't start anymore from the system meny
[04:11] <KenSentMe> *menu
[04:11] <IdleOne> yeah i am reading on there is a link to a more user friendly explanation of pinning
[04:12] <IdleOne> or so it says
[04:12] <IdleOne> :/
[04:13] <l3on> Hi all :)
[04:13] <KenSentMe> Can someone verify for me if after the latest (today) update the printing module works?
[04:13] <l3on> I've some problme with Firefox on Gutsy 64bit... this is what's happened when try to change preferences: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37105/
[04:14] <susu> hello
[04:14] <l3on> Can anyone help me ?
[04:14] <l3on> Thunderbird works like firefox... break down on Preferences
[04:14] <l3on> *breaks
[04:15] <Pici> l3on: Is this a fresh install? Have you done any updates/upgrades?
[04:16] <Pici> I remember seeing issues with glibc, but that was a few tribes ago.
[04:16] <l3on> Yes, I've upgrade 20min ago
[04:16] <Pici> l3on: Have you searched launchpad for anyone with similar issues?
[04:16] <l3on> Really I dist-upgraded my Ubuntu 20min ago....
[04:17] <l3on> Pici: sorry... but Launchpad is a dark space for me... I can't use it :(
[04:17] <IdleOne> Pici: I would appreciate any specific help you could give me with pinning xserver-xorg-core to this version xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2_i386.deb
[04:19] <IdleOne> hmmm does Synaptic give the option of pinning?
[04:20] <Pici> IdleOne: It might
[04:21] <billytwowilly> anyone else having hotmail time out when you try to connect in all linux browsers, but working fine in windows on the same machine?
[04:23] <l3on> Pici: I find nothing
[04:23] <l3on> :(
[04:24] <Pici> l3on: Did it file a bug automagically when it crashed the first time?
[04:25] <l3on> mmmm.... I don't remember
[04:27] <l3on> damn... It's very boring
[04:39] <kousotu> can someone help me wiath a card reader problem? (MS Pro)
[04:39] <ikonia> what is the problem ?
[04:39] <kousotu> it won't mount
[04:39] <ikonia> ok - whats the error
[04:39] <kousotu> or.. at least, don't show up in "computer"
[04:40] <kousotu> ikonia: it shows no error
[04:40] <ikonia> ok - try mounting it manually
[04:40] <ikonia> see if we can get an error
[04:40] <kousotu> ikonia: commands?
[04:40] <ikonia> kousotu man mount
[04:41] <kousotu> UEVENT[1189521648.645130]  add      /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:0a:09.2/tifm_ms0:0 (tifm)
[04:41] <kousotu> I get the monotioring it
[04:41] <linxeh> billytwowilly: sounds like an MTU issue
[04:41] <ikonia> kousotu try to mount it manually
[04:42] <linxeh> kousotu: is it an internal reader ?
[04:42] <ikonia> just researching the chipset on it
[04:42] <kousotu> yes
[04:43] <billytwowilly> linxeh: mtu issue?
[04:43] <Dana1> TI PCI-xx12 doesn't have support for MemoryStick under Linux, I believe.
[04:43] <linxeh> billytwowilly: the MTU for your network device is likely badly configured. have a look, and compare to what it is set to in windows
[04:44] <linxeh> billytwowilly: I had a similar problem
[04:44] <kousotu> modprobe -l  | grep 7xx1
[04:44] <kousotu> I'm using this driver
[04:44] <ikonia> kousotu try to mount it manually
[04:44] <DanaG> tifm_7xx1.
[04:44] <DanaG> Actually, grep for tifm.
[04:45] <kousotu> brb, it's searching
[04:45] <ikonia> output of lsmod should nonlty take a second
[04:45] <ikonia> if you manually try to mount the card you'll get a more informative error
[04:45] <IdleOne> Pici: in Synaptic you can Force Version : in Synaptic Package>Force Version then gives you choice of installed or installable version
[04:45] <Pici> IdleOne: Good to know :)
[04:46] <DanaG> But if nothing shows up in dmesg besides "card detected", then you know there's a lower-level issue.
[04:46] <billytwowilly> linxeh: where would I find the mtu configuration?
[04:46] <IdleOne> Pici: guess the thing is to remember to go to Synaptic and remove the Force once the new package is fixed :/
[04:46] <Pici> IdleOne: Subscribe yourself to the bug then.
[04:46] <ikonia> I guess also - is there an SD card in the card reader to mount ?
[04:46] <IdleOne> will do. still ave that link?
[04:47] <IdleOne> ave/have
[04:47] <linxeh> billytwowilly: ifconfig should tell you. on windows it might be in ipconfig but probably in control panel. you didn't find any help on google then?
[04:47] <Pici>  https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/137604
[04:47] <IdleOne> ty
[04:50] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ grep tifm
[04:50] <kousotu> *blank*
[04:50] <mojo_> hello there
[04:50] <mojo_> does any1 has any idea what this bug is:
[04:50] <mojo_> mojo@mojo:~$ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-2.6.22.6-macho_2.6.22.6-macho-10.00.Custom_i386.deb
[04:50] <mojo_> [sudo]  password for mojo:
[04:50] <mojo_> Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-2.6.22.6-macho.
[04:50] <mojo_> (Reading database ... 95552 files and directories currently installed.)
[04:50] <mojo_> Unpacking linux-image-2.6.22.6-macho (from linux-image-2.6.22.6-macho_2.6.22.6-macho-10.00.Custom_i386.deb) ...
[04:50] <mojo_> Done.
[04:50] <mojo_> Setting up linux-image-2.6.22.6-macho (2.6.22.6-macho-10.00.Custom) ...
[04:50] <mojo_> Running depmod.
[04:50] <ikonia> whoaaa
[04:50] <mojo_> Finding valid ramdisk creators.
[04:50] <mojo_> Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.
[04:50] <ikonia> stop
[04:51] <kousotu> ikonia: Just the MSPRO
[04:51] <mojo_> find: /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6-macho: No such file or directory
[04:51] <Toma-> flud!
[04:51] <mojo_> find: /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6-macho: No such file or directory
[04:51] <mojo_> find: /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6-macho: No such file or directory
[04:51] <mojo_> find: /lib/firmware/2.6.22.6-macho: No such file or directory
[04:51] <mojo_> I build my own kernel based on linux-source 2.6.22
[04:51] <Pici> mojo_: Use a pastebin!!
[04:51] <mojo_> and get this error
[04:51] <mojo_> the find:/lib/ one
[04:51] <mojo_> sorry
[04:51] <mojo_> sorry
[04:51] <ikonia> !ops
[04:51] <mojo_> sorry
[04:51] <elkbuntu> !paste
[04:51] <ikonia> kousotu sorry, I missed your last comment, sorry
[04:51] <mojo_> >,<
[04:51] <elkbuntu> bah. dumb bot
[04:51] <ikonia> elkbuntu ubotu is dead
[04:51] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ grep tifm
[04:51] <kousotu> *blank*
[04:51] <kousotu> ikonia: Just the MSPRO
[04:52] <elkbuntu> ikonia, yeah, reflexes dont recognise such trivial things
[04:52] <ikonia> kousotu what about the MSPRO ?
[04:52] <kousotu> how bout I just repost my last 3 ;)
[04:52] <ikonia> elkbuntu I've called it about 5 times today
[04:52] <ikonia> kousotu yeah, I may have miseed a few
[04:52] <kousotu> [09:46]  <ikonia> I guess also - is there an SD card in the card reader to mount ?
[04:52] <kousotu> ikonia: Just the MSPRO
[04:53] <ikonia> kousotu whats the MSPRO, is that an actual card to be read ?
[04:53] <kousotu> the only cards I own are memory stick pro duos
[04:53] <ikonia> ok - is there a card in the card reader to be read ?
[04:53] <kousotu> and yes, there is an actual care to read
[04:53] <ikonia> ok, great
[04:53] <l3on> Pici: resolved it changing gtk2 theme
[04:53] <ikonia> thats one thing ticket off the list
[04:53] <l3on> strange... but now works !!
[04:53] <ikonia> join #ubuntu
[04:53] <l3on> thx :)
[04:53] <ikonia> DB42 its personal opinion - try it
[04:53] <Pici> l3on: Odd, good to know though.
[04:54] <kousotu> ?
[04:54] <ikonia> didn't mean to say that
[04:54] <ikonia> stupid lag
[04:54] <kousotu> you want me to join ubuntu?
[04:54] <ikonia> no
[04:54] <kousotu> lol
[04:54] <kousotu> k
[04:54] <ikonia> I was lagging
[04:54] <kousotu> cause I'm already there anywho
[04:54] <kousotu> lol
[04:54] <mojo_> okay, I was having problenm with install new built kernel, error is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37115/
[04:55] <mojo_> can some1 have a look and give me some hand?
[04:55] <kousotu> Pici: mornin
[04:55] <Pici> kousotu: hi :)
[04:55] <ikonia> mojo_ totally missed the problem as you flooded the screen
[04:55] <kousotu> lol
[04:55] <mojo_> just look at the pastebin, it's all there
[04:55] <mojo_> my question is in there 2
[04:55] <mojo_> :)
[04:55] <ikonia> I missed your pastebin url
[04:55] <mojo_> sorry for flooding
[04:55] <IdleOne> does update manager know that I set a force version in Synaptic? meaning will it stop itself from trying to upgrade the specefic package?
[04:55] <ikonia> as you flooded
[04:56] <ikonia> IdleOne isn't apt-profiles the control method for that?
[04:56] <IdleOne> ikonia: I dont know :/
[04:57] <ikonia> IdleOne I thoought the package policy's controlled that
[04:57] <ikonia> kousotu check if the module is in the kernel
[04:57] <ikonia> kousotu re-check dmesg to see what it knows about the card
[04:57] <ikonia> kousotu check lspci to see if the card is identified correctly
[04:59] <IdleOne> ikonia: my issue is that xserver-xorg-core ubuntu3 gives me a black band across my screen solved that by downgrading to ubuntu2 but now I want to keep the older version until the bug is fixed but update manager wants to upgrade even though I set a force version in synaptic
[04:59] <IdleOne> bug #137604
[04:59] <ikonia> IdleOne have a play with apt-cache policy and set a policy on the xserver package
[05:00] <ikonia> I've not got an ubuntu box on me to give you the exact hand, but that should be an "ok" start
[05:00] <IdleOne> ikonia: I dont know how to set policy
[05:00] <ikonia> IdleOne its something like apt-cache policy $package $version
[05:00] <ikonia> but I've not got an apt installed box to hand
[05:00] <kousotu> 0a:09.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)
[05:01] <kousotu> (this may be a bit much to paste, my appologies if so)
[05:01] <kousotu> [  181.752000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:01] <kousotu> [  181.932000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:01] <kousotu> [  274.712000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:01] <kousotu> [  278.704000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:01] <IdleOne> kousotu: if not sure use pastebin
[05:01] <kousotu> [  278.708000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:01] <kousotu> [  312.644000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:01] <kousotu> [  318.108000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:01] <kousotu> [  318.112000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:01] <kousotu> [  476.824000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:01] <kousotu> [  477.464000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:01] <ikonia> ahhh the kernel module is not happy
[05:02] <ikonia> tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:02] <Pici> kousotu: PASTE!
[05:02] <kousotu> lmao
[05:02] <ikonia> looks like a module it wants to play with isn't happy playing with it
[05:02] <mojo_> hmm
[05:02] <noah__> kousotu: can you paste all of your dmesg in the channel?
[05:02] <noah__> kousotu: /exec -o dmesg
[05:02] <Pici> noah__: Please dont suggest that.
[05:03] <l3on> bye... I'm going out...
[05:03] <l3on> :)
[05:03] <nanonyme> yes, rather use a pastebin
[05:03] <kousotu> Pici: I'm not that stupid
[05:04] <Pici> kousotu: I know you arent, but who knows who is lurking in here.
[05:04] <ikonia> kousotu looking at the complaint, modules ar enot happy, try loading the modules manually to see if you get the same or better error output
[05:05] <kousotu> modprobe?
[05:05] <nanonyme> Pici, any ideas who i should brainstorm with and where to get an alternative to enabling compiz in gutsy by default? ;) i have some ideas for it
[05:05] <noah__> Pici: :D
[05:05] <ikonia> or insmod depending on what you want to do
[05:06] <kousotu> insmod is?
[05:06] <ikonia> man insmod
[05:06] <kousotu> ...
[05:06] <kousotu> I hate manuals
[05:06] <kousotu> lol
[05:06] <ikonia> tough
[05:08] <ikonia> mojo_ where di you get that kernel ?
[05:08] <IdleOne> ikonia: can you help me with setting the policy on xserver-xorg-core?
[05:09] <mojo_> ikonia: download package linux-source then compile it my own
[05:09] <ikonia> IdleOne I would happily help you, if I have an ubuntu box to hand to walk through the commands
[05:09] <mojo_> ikonia: care for .config file? I paste it to the pastebin
[05:09] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe tifm_7xx1
[05:09] <kousotu> [sudo]  password for kousotu:
[05:09] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$
[05:09] <ikonia> mojo therefore this is nothing to do with gusty support - so not relevent to thischannel
[05:09] <IdleOne> think you already did up a few lines . didnt see it earliert
[05:09] <IdleOne> -t
[05:10] <ikonia> mojo_ this is support for gusty - not package your own kernel
[05:10] <mojo_> ikonia: heh?!! that linux-source is gutsy kernel version
[05:10] <ikonia> so ?
[05:10] <ikonia> you're recompiling your own version
[05:10] <mojo_> ikonia: I just recompile the setting of default image
[05:10] <ikonia> at the moment gusty is not stable so its hard to support custom builds
[05:10] <ikonia> mojo_ why did you do that ?
[05:10] <mojo_> ikonia: no changes, and it shows those errors
[05:10] <mojo_> ikonia: for learning and testing, aren't we testing gutsy?
[05:10] <Pici> mojo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:10] <ikonia> possibly because you've not built correctly
[05:11] <ikonia> mojo_ yes but you've ust done a test not reelvent to gusty
[05:11] <ikonia> you've done a custom kernel build
[05:11] <mojo_> Pici: i did follow those intrusction
[05:11] <Pici> mojo_: I can't help you past that.
[05:11] <ikonia> the error is pretty clear, its missing the firmware because YOU have changed the dir
[05:11] <ikonia> the firmware dir is not 2.6.22.6-macho
[05:11] <ikonia> because you have re-named the kernel
[05:11] <ikonia> therefore YOU have made the error
[05:12] <ikonia> as I said its not fair to ask us to support user customisation on an unstable / development distor
[05:12] <ikonia> distro
[05:12] <mojo_> ikonia: okay, let me try to remove --apend-to-version=-macho and see how it works
[05:12] <kousotu> ikonia: partially unstable
[05:12] <kousotu> lol
[05:12] <ikonia> kousotu no - its unstable
[05:13] <ikonia> mojo_ hence why I'm telling you not to do your own thing and test gusty properly rather than ask for support on your own play thing
[05:13] <ikonia> you've just told me you didn't make any changes, when I can see you did
[05:13] <IdleOne> when doing apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2 I get W: Unable to locate package 2:1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2
[05:13] <ikonia> that is wasting time
[05:13] <ikonia> IdleOne don't you have to speicfy the version you want to keep
[05:13] <ikonia> IdleOne sorry I can't be exact with you with the exact command
[05:14] <kousotu> ikonia: I'm running it with no crashes, no freezing, and except for the card reader (which I believe to be the modual, not an issue with the core) and frets on fire's alsa errors, it's fine
[05:14] <Pici> kousotu: Your Mileage May Vary
[05:14] <ikonia> kousotu can we PLEASE not have this discsusion again - read the topic gusty is classed as unstable - your not th eperson who decides if its stable, others are having seiorus problems
[05:14] <kousotu> Pici: lol
[05:14] <IdleOne> ikonia: I really dont know what it is I am doing with this right now but I appreciate the help
[05:15] <Pici> IdleOne: What are you trying to do right now?
[05:15] <Pici> I probably missed something.
[05:15] <ikonia> IdleOne basiclly you want to set a policy on that package that says "xserver policy don't update past $X" then the default policy under it is "update everything to latest"
[05:15] <ikonia> so if xorg don't go paste $X else update to current
[05:15] <IdleOne> trying to set policy to keep xserver-xorg-core to version ubuntu2
[05:15] <ikonia> IdleOne get it ?
[05:15] <IdleOne> ikonia: nope ;/
[05:16] <ikonia> IdleOne thing of it as a rules try
[05:16] <ikonia> IdleOne your default apt rules are update all to latest
[05:16] <ikonia> IdleOne so you want to insert a rule before that saying "if the package is xorg - don't update it beyond version $X"
[05:17] <ikonia> so the updater says "is this package xorg - yes, I've got a policy I'll keep it here, else I'll use the default policy which updates everything to current
[05:17] <Pici> ikonia: I think he understands what pinning is, just not how to pin it.
[05:17] <ikonia> ah
[05:18] <IdleOne> ok I get that. what I dont get is what is the command I need to issue to set that rule
[05:18] <kousotu> can I wrap the XP driver for the reader, and keep ny network up?
[05:18] <ikonia> IdleOne I can help in a few hours when I get access to an ubuntu box
[05:18] <ikonia> kousotu ndiswrapper suport ?
[05:18] <ikonia> support ?
[05:18] <IdleOne> ikonia:  that would be great
[05:18] <ikonia> IdleOne where ar eyou based ?
[05:19] <IdleOne> PA
[05:19] <ikonia> Palo Alto ?
[05:19] <kousotu> ikonia: I know how to use it.. but can both be up and running at the same time?
[05:19] <IdleOne> haha
[05:19] <IdleOne> pensylvania
[05:19] <ikonia> kousotu what do you mean can both ?
[05:19] <ikonia> IdleOne ahh ok - so if I pop back in here in say 2 hours (not far from leaving ht eoffice for home) I'll walk you through the policy
[05:20] <ikonia> IdleOne I'm a bit rusty, its not something I do everyday
[05:20] <kousotu> ikonia: ndiswrapper is wrapped around my AR5007EG driver
[05:20] <IdleOne> sure thing meet you back here at 1/1:30 my time
[05:20] <ikonia> kousotu so you need to include another driver
[05:20] <ikonia> IdleOne no problem, give me a ping or PM to remind me incase I forget
[05:20] <IdleOne> ok thanks
[05:20] <kousotu> ikonia: can I use both on ndis at the same time?
[05:20] <ikonia> kousotu I believe so
[05:21] <IdleOne> kousotu: you should realy look into buying hardware that is supports/supported by linux
[05:22] <IdleOne> but anyway I'll be back later
[05:22] <ikonia> kousotu after you modprobed the module, did it load the module ?
[05:23] <kousotu> ikonia: doesn't look like it
[05:23] <ikonia> kousotu try insmodding it and see if you get an error
[05:23] <kousotu> ikonia: my card doesn't show up
[05:23] <ikonia> kousotu not what I asked, did it load the module is what I asked
[05:23] <ikonia> just to be clear
[05:23] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe tifm_7xx1
[05:23] <kousotu> [sudo]  password for kousotu:
[05:23] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$
[05:23] <kousotu> this?
[05:23] <ikonia> no
[05:24] <ikonia> you've modprrobed it
[05:24] <ikonia> now is the module loaded
[05:24] <iamtim> after an apt-get upgrade, my dual monitors aren't working correctly anymore. instead of two desktops sharing a mouse, there is one big desktop stretched out across the screens, no settings in the "Screens and Graphics" dialog box seem to fix this
[05:24] <ikonia> iamtim I suspect an xorg update has borked your xorg.conf file
[05:24] <ikonia> lamalex check it out and see if its changed
[05:24] <kousotu> kousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep ti
[05:24] <kousotu> memstick               13828  0
[05:24] <kousotu> cpufreq_conservative     8072  0
[05:24] <kousotu> rsrc_nonstatic         14080  1 yenta_socket
[05:24] <kousotu> pcmcia_core            40980  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic
[05:24] <kousotu> tifm_7xx1               8576  0
[05:25] <kousotu> tifm_core              11268  1 tifm_7xx1
[05:25] <ikonia> kousotu ok - so try insmodding it to force it and get an error
[05:25] <ikonia> ooh, its there
[05:25] <kousotu> ?
[05:25] <ikonia> so you do have th modules loaded
[05:25] <kousotu> ok, and?
[05:25] <kousotu> lol
[05:25] <ikonia> kousotu well thats a start
[05:25] <kousotu> haha I kicked hobb out
[05:25] <ikonia> now check dmesg and the syslog to see if anything has been updated
[05:26] <kousotu> [  274.712000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  278.704000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  278.708000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:26] <kousotu> [  312.644000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  318.108000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  318.112000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:26] <kousotu> [  476.824000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  477.464000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:0
[05:26] <kousotu> [  477.468000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif
[05:26] <iamtim> ikonia, i renamed the xorg.conf and recreated it with nvidia-xconfig, but when i still have the same problem, also when i try to run nvidia-settings, it says i don't appear to be running the NVIDIA X driver even though it's specified in the xorg.conf and lsmod shows that it's loaded
[05:26] <ikonia> kousotu use the pastebin
[05:26] <BHSPitMonkey> !paste
[05:26] <BHSPitMonkey> hrm.
[05:26] <ikonia> kousotu that kernel module is not happy
[05:27] <kousotu> !paste
[05:27] <BHSPitMonkey> wish ubotu was here.
[05:27] <kousotu> lol
[05:27] <kousotu> so do i
[05:27] <ikonia> unknown symbols means that either its conflicting with another module, or a module it depends on is not being loaded
[05:27] <kousotu> ikonia: ok, I'll past demsg
[05:27] <ikonia> don't bother
[05:27] <ikonia> kousotu I can see the module is complaining
[05:28] <BHSPitMonkey> uninstall all the modules;  then there will be no errors.
[05:28] <BHSPitMonkey> no errors from the modules themselves, at least.
[05:28] <ikonia> BHSPitMonkey don't bait him
[05:28] <kousotu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37116/
[05:29] <ikonia> kousotu I told you I think I can see the error
[05:29] <kousotu> BHSPitMonkey: why don't you just shut up
[05:29] <kousotu> ikonia: well then do lay it on me?
[05:29] <ikonia> kousotu don't be rude
[05:29] <kousotu> ikonia: I don't
[05:29] <Pici> Both of you cut it out.
[05:30] <ikonia> kousotu the module has a depending module problem, or a module it depends on can't be loaded
[05:30] <kousotu> correct me if I'm wrong, but I give advice not perfect to the way you would, you call it dangerous and tel me to stop giving advice. he says things like "crash EVERYTHING and he an get away with it?
[05:31] <ikonia> kousotu I asked him to stop too
[05:31] <Pici> kousotu: If you have a problem, please bring it up with an op.
[05:31] <kousotu> ikonia: and has he listened since the last 3?
[05:31] <kousotu> no
[05:32] <ikonia> kousotu he was just being a bit silly, where as the advice I asked you to stop offering was dangerous, but pici is right
[05:32] <kousotu> Pici: I don't need an op to deal with one idiot of a person, I can handle it fine myself
[05:32] <ikonia> kousotu he's not an idiot - don't be rude
[05:33] <kousotu> ikonia: only dangerious in thewrong hands
[05:33] <ikonia> kousotu no dangerous
[05:33] <kousotu> ikonia: anyone who runds linux should be familiar with that concept
[05:33] <ikonia> kousotu nope
[05:33] <kousotu> ikonia: hell, anyone who runs windows knows what can happen if you mess up one file
[05:34] <Pici> kousotu: Just drop it.  This isnt the place to discuss it.
[05:34] <kousotu> Pici: didn't H bring this back up?
[05:35] <kousotu> ikonia: well, how do I go about loading it?
[05:36] <ikonia> kousotu you have to trace the faulty module or depencecy
[05:36] <ikonia> sorry I was on the phone
[05:38] <ikonia> kousotu the module you want to load has an undefined symbol most commonly that means either a module it has a dependency on to translate that symbol has a problem, or the module it depends on cannot be loaded. Do you understand ?
[05:38] <kousotu> ikonia: most likely a dependency, but yes, I do
[05:38] <ikonia> why do you think most likley a dependency ?
[05:39] <ikonia> what makes you think that, whats your thinking on it
[05:39] <kousotu> is loaded but not showing
[05:39] <ikonia> kousotu that doesn't meant its a depedency
[05:39] <kousotu> windows did the same to me just yesterday with my stick
[05:40] <ikonia> windows is a different and non-releveant OS to this issue
[05:40] <ikonia> modules work in a different way
[05:41] <kousotu> ye're right, ther are the drivers and regestry mapping for them
[05:41] <ikonia> exactly, so totally different
[05:41] <kousotu> lol
[05:41] <kousotu> sure.. you think that
[05:42] <ikonia> yes, I do think that, thats why I said it
[05:42] <kousotu> the difference is 1 file instea of 2
[05:42] <ikonia> no its not
[05:42] <ikonia> but I'm not going to argue kernel layout with you
[05:42] <kousotu> ikonia: good call
[05:42] <kousotu> lol
[05:47] <andrew_bp> win c
[05:50] <kousotu> IdleOne: excuse me cause EVERTHING inbedded on my PC doesn't ork and I don't have the money to get new hw..
[05:51] <hylje> ork ork
[05:52] <ikonia> kousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support or you'll have problems at a very low level
[05:52] <ikonia> its jusan unfortuanate truth at the moment
[05:56] <kousotu> ikonia: funny, the hl "stuff" is fine, but the ll crap isn't..
[05:56] <ikonia> pardon ?
[05:57] <ikonia> what is high level and low level hardware ?
[05:57] <kousotu> lol
[05:57] <ikonia> what is funny ?
[05:57] <kousotu> I would consider the other stuff to be hl
[05:57] <ikonia> whats "other stuff" ?
[05:57] <kousotu> such as compiz, 3d acceleratin ext
[05:58] <ikonia> thats not hardware ?
[05:58] <kousotu> when did I say hw?
[05:58] <ikonia> maybe its how you typ
[05:58] <kousotu> the hw runs the res of it you know
[05:58] <ikonia> type
[05:58] <ikonia> what ar eyou talking about ?
[05:58] <kousotu> ..
[05:59] <ikonia> I said you need good hardware support or you'll have problems at a lowl level interacting with hardware
[05:59] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with compiz
[05:59] <kousotu> "
[05:59] <kousotu> [10:52]  <ikonia> kousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support or you'll have problems at a very low level
[05:59] <kousotu> [10:52]  <ikonia> its jusan unfortuanate truth at the moment
[05:59] <kousotu> oops...
[05:59] <ikonia> yes, thats right
[05:59] <ikonia> thats what I said
[05:59] <kousotu> let's try that again...
[06:00] <kousotu> "kousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support" <such as the graphics card, sound driver, programs that modify these, fuse etc
[06:00] <ikonia> fuse doesn't modify anything
[06:00] <ikonia> fuse is a software layout
[06:00] <ikonia> layer
[06:01] <kousotu> true, but it can do one bad to an ntfspartion if it crashes
[06:01] <ikonia> no
[06:01] <ikonia> it can't
[06:01] <ikonia> thats the device driver interaction with the software
[06:01] <ikonia> thats nothing to do with low level hardware support
[06:02] <kousotu> compiz does
[06:02] <ikonia> no it doesn't
[06:02] <ikonia> compiz is a software layer X server
[06:02] <ikonia> that interacts with video drivers
[06:02] <ikonia> the video driver is the key there
[06:02] <kousotu> which interact with the gfx card
[06:02] <ikonia> I'm not going to argue this with you
[06:02] <ikonia> I don't know why you have to argue every point when you clearly don't understand
[06:02] <kousotu> yet, here you are, doing so
[06:03] <ikonia> I'm not - end of discussion
[06:03] <kousotu> ikonia: which you THINK I do't understand
[06:03] <kousotu> my reasoning my be different, but my logic elsewise remains the same
[06:03] <ikonia> lets keep this channel to gusty issues
[06:04] <kousotu> you have done nothing but argue with me over problems I'm having
[06:04] <kousotu> thisis CLEARLY NTO my error
[06:04] <kousotu> NOT*
[06:05] <kousotu> and I NEED that driver working
[06:05] <ikonia> thats not true, I'm sorry to say that you havn't got to grips with the basics yet, and I'm trying to advise you but you know better all the time
[06:05] <ikonia> kousotu I understand you need that driver working - how do you suggest you fix it ?
[06:05] <kousotu> I would assume as ndiswrap it, but I need my AR5007EG working as well
[06:06] <ikonia> kousotu I've explained to you the problem with the driver (potentially) and explained what you need to do to get the information to log the bug correctly, but I suspect it will change again when a kernl update is released
[06:06] <ikonia> kousotu ndiswrapper is not th eanswer
[06:06] <ikonia> not the answer
[06:06] <ikonia> darn lag
[06:06] <kousotu> ikonia: it's answer enough for my immedient needs
[06:06] <ikonia> then do it
[06:07] <kousotu> and I ask you for a command to issue to report this bug and you give me nothing but ststic
[06:07] <ikonia> ?
[06:07] <ikonia> I've not given you any static
[06:07] <ikonia> I've explained the sitaution clearly to you and the problems and potential reasons and how to get more information
[06:07] <ikonia> what part is not clear ?
[06:09] <ikonia> kousotu what part of the error have I not explained clearly?
[06:13] <kousotu> [10:05]  <ikonia> or insmod depending on what you want to do
[06:13] <ikonia> kousotu yes ? whats th problem with that
[06:13] <kousotu> [10:06]  <kousotu> insmod is?
[06:14] <kousotu> I read the manual, and didn;t understand it
[06:14] <ikonia> kousotu did you man it ?
[06:14] <ikonia> you didn't understand it, it basiclly inserts modules
[06:14] <kousotu> [10:25]  <ikonia> kousotu ok - so try insmodding it to force it and get an error
[06:15] <TehRandom> ikonia: so, it turns out that my password was wrong with the sudo ... ;)   bad keyboard
[06:15] <ikonia> TehRandom well done
[06:15] <TehRandom> my o key quit ;)
[06:16] <ikonia> TehRandom it had to be something like that
[06:16] <kousotu> and I KNOW  I asked you for  command to issue
[06:16] <ikonia> kousotu please drop the attitude
[06:16] <ikonia> its not "one" command
[06:16] <ikonia> its a series of debugging and tracing through module dependencies
[06:16] <ikonia> so its a reasonably long process
[06:17] <ikonia> and it helps if you have a basic grasp of the debugging output
[06:17] <ikonia> but if your new to linux, you're not expected to have that
[06:18] <kousotu> ikonia: and now you'r starting to get it
[06:18] <ikonia> kousotu starting to get what ?
[06:18] <kousotu> I don't know squat about linucx
[06:18] <ikonia> kousotu then why do you keep arguing everything with me ?
[06:19] <kousotu> I had to ask for an IP check command, lowest of lw commands
[06:19] <ikonia> you ask for help, then argue the help because you know better, then tell me to help you more because you know sauat ?
[06:19] <kousotu> I understand the core of the system, but not the commands to utilize it
[06:19] <ikonia> kousotu its clear you don't understand
[06:20] <kousotu> ...
[06:20] <ikonia> but as you say, your very new so not expected to understand
[06:20] <ikonia> nor do I expect you to understand
[06:20] <ikonia> but then I don't expect you to argue every little thing and pretend you know better
[06:20] <ikonia> which is what you do
[06:21] <kousotu> I know how an OS works in general
[06:21] <ikonia> general is not enough
[06:21] <ikonia> Linux works in a very different way to windows
[06:21] <kousotu> I have worked with Macs, windows 98-Vista, and an working with linux as well
[06:21] <ikonia> so what ever you know in windows, isn't really going to provide under the hood knowledge of linux
[06:22] <ikonia> but I'll leave it there as I don't want to argue this with you
[06:22] <kousotu> ikonia: I know quite a bit about windows, enough to scare microsoft lol
[06:22] <ikonia> kousotu with respect, I'm not interested in your windows knowledge.
[06:22] <kousotu> ikonia: I also can out tech support THE "experts"
[06:23] <ikonia> well, it doesn't work in here, you end up looking silly and lacking understanding. I suggest you re-consider that when asking for help in future
[06:23] <ikonia> you've tried to out tech some clever people in here and looked a bit silly
[06:24] <kousotu> ikonia: no, I tried to help Then the "over-my-head techs" decided to talk
[06:24] <kousotu> I waited quite a bit, then jumpped in
[06:25] <ikonia> but you jump in with not good advice/help, which isn't a problem as long as you realise that, but you don't you argue...everything...constantly
[06:25] <ikonia> please just clam down, and listen and learn from people with experience
[06:25] <ikonia> people just want to help you
[06:26] <kousotu> you're really starting to piss me off
[06:26] <ikonia> that language is uncalled for
[06:26] <ikonia> the rules of the channel are clear in that no bad language is allowed
[06:26] <kousotu> don;t you start with rules on me
[06:26] <ikonia> they are the rules
[06:26] <kousotu> I'm well aware what I can and can't say
[06:27] <ikonia> then please don't use bad language
[06:27] <kousotu> the stop being a prick
[06:27] <ikonia> again bad lagnauge
[06:27] <Pici> Listen up.  One, or both of you just ake a few minutes away from the computer.
[06:27] <kousotu> ikonia: but clearly accurate
[06:28] <kousotu> Pici: I'm trying to get work don
[06:28] <ikonia> your welcome to you opinion, I'll not argue that with you
[06:28] <kousotu> done*
[06:28] <nalioth> let us be civil
[06:29] <kousotu> may not be "important work" but it's work none-the-less
[06:31] <kousotu> and being told"buy new hardware" is NOT an answer I will live with
[06:31] <ikonia> kousotu no-one told you to buy new hardware
[06:31] <ikonia> IdleOne advised you to try to buy hardware that is supported in future - it makes things easy
[06:31] <kousotu> ikonia: bull.[10:21]  <IdleOne> kousotu: you should realy look into buying hardware that is supports/supported by linux
[06:31] <ikonia> yes thats right
[06:32] <kousotu> I bouthgt a laptop, everything is inbedded
[06:32] <ikonia> yes, you can't change that
[06:32] <kousotu> I can't manipulae but RAM and harddrives
[06:32] <ikonia> but for future purchases, supported hardware is a better option if possible
[06:32] <ikonia> which is stating the obvious
[06:32] <kousotu> ad I don't have th money to run out and buy a card reader
[06:33] <ikonia> no-one said "go out and buy one"
[06:33] <ikonia> but the truth is your card is very baldy support so will / can be problematic to get working
[06:33] <ikonia> hence why I said somethings you just have to accept won't work if they are not supported or known to be a problem
[06:33] <kousotu> as is 90% of the hardware on this laptop
[06:33] <ikonia> its a sad truth, but some hardware just isn't support
[06:34] <kousotu> right, but ndiswrapper fixes that issue in most respects
[06:34] <ikonia> not really and in terms of the card hardware in question, probably won't
[06:34] <ikonia> but as I said to you earlier, your welcome to try
[06:34] <kousotu> and I ask if I can use ndis with 2 items at once and get "that's not a solution"
[06:34] <osmosis> how come a search for gutsy  on launchpad returns nothing ?
[06:34] <osmosis> i can never find anything on launchpad.
[06:35] <ikonia> kousotu thas not what I said, I said I believe you can do so, but thats not the solution, more so after I took the time to explain the problem
[06:35] <ikonia> thats a work around
[06:35] <kousotu> osmosis: you have to be more specific in your search
[06:35] <PriceChild> osmosis, what are you really looking for?
[06:35] <osmosis> i commented on a bug a few days ago that I want to find. Can't find it. Not listed under...my commented bugs. So i figured..it was a gutsty bug..maybe I can find gutsy specific info.
[06:36] <PriceChild> osmosis, what's your launchpad id?
[06:36] <PriceChild> and didn't you get an email about it?
[06:42] <kousotu> [11:34]  <kousotu> and I ask if I can use ndis with 2 items at once and get "that's not a solution"
[06:43] <ikonia> ?
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:24 PM) The nameless one: lol
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:27 PM) Tracy^: i can tell you the shorter version of it
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:29 PM) The nameless one: I'l*
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:34 PM) Tracy^: the one my parents and relatives uses
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:35 PM) Tracy^: =p
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:38 PM) Tracy^: but not the full name
[06:43] <ikonia> ???
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:39 PM) Tracy^: hahahaha
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:44 PM) The nameless one: lol
[06:43] <kousotu> (01:56:55 PM) The nameless one: well, honestly, I'll never remeber it lol
[06:43] <kousotu> damnit...
[06:43] <kousotu> I didn;t even copy that
[06:43] <kousotu> lol
[06:43] <ikonia> stop
[06:43] <kousotu> [11:35]  <ikonia> kousotu thas not what I said, I said I believe you can do so, but thats not the solution, more so after I took the time to explain the problem
[06:44] <kousotu> [11:06]  <ikonia> kousotu ndiswrapper is not th eanswer
[06:44] <kousotu> [11:06]  <ikonia> not the answer
[06:44] <kousotu> [11:06]  <ikonia> darn lag
[06:44] <kousotu> [11:06]  <kousotu> ikonia: it's answer enough for my immedient needs
[06:44] <ikonia> yes ?
[06:44] <kousotu> ikonia: I didn't maen to past the but on msn
[06:44] <kousotu> that hasn't beed on copy for about 3 hours and 4 copies
[06:45] <kousotu> bit*
[06:46] <roe> big OOo update today eh?
[06:47] <roe> does that mean we are no longer running the "developers snapshot"?
[06:48] <kousotu> I got the update last night at 2am
[06:48] <kousotu> lol
[06:49] <fenrig> hi
[06:49] <fenrig> i can't acces the internet on gutsy using adsl
[06:51] <PriceChild> ntfs-3g just got installed.... how rare...
[06:55] <kousotu> PriceChild: huh?
[06:55] <PriceChild> pebkac
[06:56] <kousotu> *blank stare*
[06:56] <Daviey> Hmm.. how do you use google to search for a term you don't understnad?
[06:56] <Daviey> andbody?
[06:56] <Daviey> any*
[06:57] <kousotu> Daviey: such as?
[07:00] <roe> Daviey, define: <term>
[07:15] <nemik> does the negative plugin in compiz not work for others?
[09:08] <troughton> just started the latest updates on  gutsy and it has frozen on me can anyone help ?
[09:13] <roe> kill it? and restart it?
[09:14] <roe> not much choice if it crashed
[09:24] <jordan_> Hello, I have gusty tribe 5 on my laptop and when I installed it fresh, the wifi worked great (rt73) but with the last update it works for about a minute then disconnects, and i'm forced to reboot in order to restore wifi (restarting networking does not work).  Any ideas?
[09:37] <nosrednaekim> jordan_: how about a nice little "sudo dhclient <netowrk device>"?
[09:38] <jordan_> no dice nosrednaekim
[09:39] <nosrednaekim> bug time !
[09:39] <nosrednaekim> :)
[09:39] <jordan_> joy!
[09:40] <jordan_> what the heck no i cant open the terminal?
[09:40] <nosrednaekim> what did you do?
[09:40] <jordan_> It just says starting terminal and doesnt do anything
[09:41] <jordan_> I hadnt done anythig it was a fresh boot
[09:41] <sayers> This new update package called libpam0g seems to be evil
[09:43] <jordan_> hmm when i go to like tty5 its just tons of repeating messages saying "unregister_netdevice: waiting for wlan0 to become free.  Usage count = 0" over and over
[09:43] <jordan_> .
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> jordan_: ).o
[09:44] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[09:44] <jordan_> strange eh?
[09:44] <jordan_> ahhahaha norris
[09:46] <nosrednaekim> oh great... thats a bad networkproblem..
[09:47] <nuck_chorris> yeah? im not that tech savvy
[09:47] <nuck_chorris> more of a hardware dude
[09:56] <nuck_chorris> where is a log for network related activity
[09:56] <nuck_chorris> syslog?
[10:01] <nuck_chorris> update , nosrednaekim , may have been pidgin screwing me up
[10:01] <nosrednaekim> nuck_chorris:  you jordan?
[10:02] <nuck_chorris> yes
[10:02] <nuck_chorris> rebooted, and im just pinging my server.. have been for 150 seconds now, seems stable
[10:03] <nuck_chorris> only seems to disconnect if i open pidgin
[10:03] <nosrednaekim> odd..
[10:05] <antibody_> hi all I only have an issue with gusty now. the xgl nvidia thing. When I to glxinfo it says:" Direct rendering: No" however glxgear gives the same output. Compiz(fusion) makes all the screen white but I have cube and cube background. And I can't play cedega games . So I have to disable xserver-xgl..are these issues solvable by any configuration I might do?tnx
[10:07] <nuck_chorris> nosrednaekim yes I can confirm pidgin is breaking my wireless
[10:09] <jussi01> antibody_: doesnt nvidia use aiglx now?
[10:13] <nemik> does negative on compiz-fusion work for anyone? i just get black screens
[10:15] <nuck_chorris> Guess you cant use pigdin with an RT73 wireless driver in gusty
[10:33] <osmosis> i downloaded a daily yesterday, but the installer on the livecd wouldnt boot.
[10:34] <nuck_chorris> osmosis, do you mean the CD would not boot or the installer would not open?
[10:36] <osmosis> nuck_chorris: installer would not open
[10:36] <osmosis> cd boots up...double click installer...nothing happens
[10:36] <nuck_chorris> any logs?
[10:36] <nuck_chorris> will any apps open?
[10:36] <osmosis> nuck_chorris: uhh..its on my laptop. hold on ill check.
[10:43] <osmosis> nuck_chorris: well...big dealay at  bootup...unionfs   whats that ?
[10:44] <osmosis> a modprobe stack trace
[10:44] <Teremd> Hi, i cannot install an MDADM raid mirroro setup with gutsy 5 alternate iso
[10:44] <osmosis> this is on a dell laptop 1420...one of the ones that is a ubuntu pre-install.
[10:45] <jussi01> !raid | Teremd
[10:45] <ubotu> Teremd: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[10:45] <osmosis> unionfs [fail] 
[10:45] <nuck_chorris> osmosis is your cdrom working 100%
[10:45] <Teremd> I'm not looking for dmraid but for mdadm
[10:45] <nuck_chorris> scratched CD?
[10:46] <osmosis> nuck_chorris: yah its fine...and its identical at each boot.
[10:46] <nuck_chorris> but you can get to gnome correct
[10:46] <osmosis> doesnt look anything like a scratch cd.  unionfs has some big fail at bootup.  hold on...i can probably get some pastes going in a second...because it eventually does bootup and I can connect to the web.
[10:46] <osmosis> ill paste a dmesg
[10:47] <osmosis> why is evolution still a default icon. evolution sucks.
[10:48] <nuck_chorris> no kidding
[10:48] <osmosis> its not even compatible with the latest exchange.
[10:48] <nuck_chorris> osmosis: why not just burn a more stable gusty like tribe 5 and upgrade to the daily
[10:50] <osmosis> nuck_chorris: sure, i could, but for testing sake.
[10:50] <nuck_chorris> all right then :)
[10:50] <osmosis> http://dpaste.com/19270   dmesg
[10:51] <osmosis> About line 488 is where the troubles seem to start.
[10:51] <osmosis> or 561 maybe
[10:54] <nuck_chorris> quite odd, and im not familiar with that
[10:55] <nuck_chorris> search bugs?
[10:55] <osmosis> if i try and run it from the command line, it says   Ubiquity is already running!
[11:06] <kousotu> can someonehelp with this issue: http://pastebin.com/d78bf2094
[11:07] <osmosis> kousotu: your trying to get sound working ?
[11:07] <kousotu> osmosis: of FoF yes
[11:07] <kousotu> on*
[11:07] <osmosis> FoF ?
[11:07] <kousotu> my cound is fine elsewhere
[11:07] <kousotu> Frets on Fire
[11:08] <osmosis> what is that ?
[11:08] <kousotu> a game
[11:08] <osmosis> is this gutsy specific ?
[11:08] <kousotu> no
[11:08] <osmosis> why are you here then ?
[11:08] <kousotu> but it's on gutsy from start
[11:08] <kousotu> I'm running Gutsy
[11:09] <osmosis> but this is not gutsy specific.
[11:09] <osmosis> well i use vim, but im not going to ask about FoF in #vim
[11:09] <kousotu> it's not an alsa issue either
[11:10] <AeroStick> i just downloaded GUTSY GIBBON livecd, the livecd started well, the desktop was okay, the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?
[11:11] <AeroStick> anybody awake here?
[11:11] <AeroStick> anybody awake here?
[11:12] <kousotu> yes
[11:12] <lessthanjake> Someone here running Gutsy on an Dell D630? I have a problem with the fan spinning way to often!!
[11:12] <kousotu> (couldn't think of a smart remark)
[11:12] <AeroStick> i just downloaded GUTSY GIBBON livecd, the livecd started well, the desktop was okay, the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?
[11:12] <AeroStick> finally...
[11:12] <kousotu> AeroStick: specs?
[11:13] <kousotu> lessthanjake: how is that aproblem?
[11:13] <lessthanjake> Noise!
[11:13] <AeroStick> amd athlon 2500 (overclocked to 3200), ati radeon 9550 (oc 9600xt), 1.5gb ram
[11:13] <kousotu> lessthanjake: mine is CONSTABTLY running
[11:13] <kousotu> AeroStick: you need the alternate cds
[11:13] <kousotu> cd
[11:13] <kousotu> 8
[11:14] <kousotu> *
[11:14] <AeroStick> where can i find it?
[11:14] <ikonia> why does he need the alternative cd ?
[11:14] <kousotu> same place you foung the other cd
[11:14] <lessthanjake> It should not! The PC is getting very good review regarding noise level! Bought it without Windows, so I can not confirm that myselves.
[11:15] <AeroStick> kousotu... (by the way this confused me, it's was impossible to get the desktop effects working on my pc in feisty, but tat live cd could do that, and unbelievebly it was all too much better going than feisty, but just the install icon did not start to work...
[11:15] <kousotu> lessthanjake: mine isn't "noisey", but I can hear it
[11:16] <AeroStick> kousotu, i also tried to check the defects of the cd in startup, but it did not work, maybe a bug, or what?
[11:16] <kousotu> !nvidia
[11:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[11:16] <kousotu> wait. that my notbe helpful
[11:16] <kousotu> !ati
[11:16] <AeroStick> kousotu, do you see me...:\
[11:16] <kousotu> !alterate
[11:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about alterate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:16] <lessthanjake> Here is one experiensing the same, he also is running Windows and says it is worse on Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3147001&postcount=1
[11:16] <ikonia> why are you tyring to install ati drivers on a live cd
[11:16] <ikonia> you just want to install
[11:17] <ikonia> you don't need desktop effects or ati drivers to install
[11:17] <kousotu> ikonia: honestly...
[11:17] <ikonia> if you have the desktop up - your current ati drivers are running
[11:17] <AeroStick> who is trying for that? me, ikonia? no, i'm not
[11:17] <kousotu> "V"
[11:17] <kousotu> "the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?"
[11:17] <AeroStick> yes
[11:17] <ikonia> yes, I read that
[11:17] <kousotu> had the same issueon another ATI pc
[11:17] <AeroStick> that's my situation..:)
[11:17] <ikonia> so why are you saying install the ati drivers ?
[11:18] <kousotu> just use the alternate cd
[11:18] <SeveredCross> Anyone know why 100 dpi is the default in Gutsy?
[11:18] <kousotu> ikonia: I was looking for the factiod about the alternate cd
[11:18] <lessthanjake> Launch the installer from the command line, and se for error messages.
[11:18] <SeveredCross> And changing it makes Firefox hard as all hell to read?
[11:18] <kousotu> if there is one..
[11:18] <AeroStick> i just wanted to say that it's all okay, even better than this (feisty) but the install icon never started, it's the all problem
[11:18] <AeroStick> ..ikonia
[11:19] <kousotu> AeroStick: then you will need the other cd
[11:19] <AeroStick> so kousotu, you said that i need another installer, right?
[11:19] <kousotu> AeroStick: it's tht simple
[11:19] <kousotu> AeroStick: yes
[11:19] <ikonia> sorry I was on the phone
[11:19] <AeroStick> yes, but which one and where, kousotu
[11:19] <AeroStick> ?
[11:19] <kousotu> you're 564 but, right?
[11:19] <AeroStick> (seems i'l download another 700mb again..:( )
[11:19] <kousotu> -5
[11:20] <AeroStick> what is 564, kousotu?
[11:20] <kousotu> 64bit*
[11:20] <kousotu> typoed
[11:20] <AeroStick> no, 32bit
[11:20] <AeroStick> i386
[11:20] <AeroStick> amd athlon 2500
[11:20] <kousotu> amd at 32 bit *shocked*
[11:21] <AeroStick> kousotu? why you're shocked? is it look that old..:D
[11:21] <kousotu> AeroStick: you have a torrent clinet?
[11:21] <kousotu> AeroStick: most AMDs are 64 bit
[11:21] <AeroStick> yes i have an azureus, i used it to download the live cd
[11:21] <kousotu> k
[11:21] <kousotu> sec
[11:22] <AeroStick> no, there were times when amd is about to be better then intel, those times there were 32 bit processors, one of them is in my computer..:)
[11:22] <AeroStick> ...kousotu
[11:23] <kousotu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso
[11:23] <AeroStick> and i just learned today that u can use an 2500 32 bit amd as an 3200mhz without a stronger fan, happily...:):D
[11:23] <kousotu> that's one alt link
[11:23] <kousotu> but notthetorent, my bad
[11:23] <kousotu> lol
[11:23] <kousotu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[11:23] <kousotu> there w go :)
[11:24] <kousotu> we*
[11:24] <SeveredCross> Nobody knows about the 100 dpi stuff?
[11:24] <ikonia> AeroStick just for future reference testing a dev release on an overclocked system can provide "strange" errors, if your reporting a bug make sure you mention that
[11:24] <AeroStick> kousotu; i'm just curious about it; why it did not work, do you have any idea that you could tell me?
[11:24] <kousotu> ati card
[11:24] <kousotu> they're fussy
[11:24] <kousotu> my gram has a rage
[11:25] <kousotu> it didn't want to load the livecd
[11:25] <kousotu> much less let me useandthing on it
[11:26] <AeroStick> kousotu; this link is not an torrent link...:(
[11:26] <AeroStick> may i have an torrent link..?
[11:27] <Pici> SeveredCross: I believe there was a bug filed about it
[11:27] <SeveredCross> Okay.
[11:27] <SeveredCross> I just noticed it yesterday, but turning everything down to 72dpi makes my eyes hurt like hell.
[11:28] <Pici> Then turn it up
[11:29] <moreati> I just want to rule Gutsy out here: I've a new laptop running Tribe 5, doing a large download with gnome-app-install caused other tcp/ip connections and DNS queries to time out. It could be my flaky ISP and it could be some quirk of the new hardware. Has anyone seen Gutsy starve other connections whilst doing a large download?
[11:29] <kousotu> [16:23]  <kousotu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[11:30] <kousotu> AeroStick: I goffed with the link the first time
[11:31] <AeroStick> kousotu: ok, i'm already trying to install a download manager..:)
[11:31] <kousotu> lol
[11:32] <kousotu> that's the torrent that time, I can't see the link too well, (bad font/size)
[11:33] <AeroStick> kosuto: i just want to say it again, to make sure: there was nothing wrong; effects, desktop changing, firefox, even the gparted could work in that cd from ubuntu desktop loaded from gutsy gibbon, just the installer did not start, even i tried to do it in system>administration>install panel...
[11:33] <ikonia> If your in london I'd be happy to get a round of drinks in
[11:33] <ikonia> oops
[11:33] <AeroStick> kousotu: (sorry for misspelling) are you sure that i have to download the whole alternative cd, is it certain?
[11:34] <kousotu> AeroStick: it's the easy route
[11:34] <AeroStick> ikonia, i'd like to have a whiskey shot, or a big cup of beer..:)
[11:34] <AeroStick> kousotu: easy route?
[11:34] <kousotu> AeroStick: tribe 3 was being whiney on my laptop, I hade to restart the Live cdabout 10 times befor I could get ti to installl
[11:35] <AeroStick> kousotu: the livecd i downloaded today is not tribe-3, it's tribe-5
[11:35] <kousotu> AeroStick: makeing a comparison
[11:36] <AeroStick> alrite: is there any way to open that installer from terminal?
[11:36] <AeroStick> kousotu: do you know the commands?
[11:36] <kousotu> AeroStick: tribe 4 and 5 were happy with my hardware, tribe 3 was not
[11:36] <kousotu> AeroStick: not a clue
[11:36] <kousotu> AeroStick: although...
[11:37] <kousotu> rightclick and get the properties of it
[11:37] <AeroStick> ok, so, can i install the cd from in feisty (the partition is empty and ready)
[11:38] <xtknight> anybody: type "gksu nautilus" in the console. do you get weird output like O_PASSSSSs.../usr/bin/esd ?
[11:38] <AeroStick> yes, i do..:) , xtknight
[11:38] <xtknight> almost looks like a buffer overflow test, weird
[11:38] <kousotu> hey xtknight
[11:39] <Pici> xtknight: I dont if I use gksudo, which is the proper way.
[11:39] <xtknight> i thought gksu was just a symlnk to gksudo
[11:39] <AeroStick> i need to say that, i don't want to replace it with feisy yet, just want to do the installation onto another partition
[11:40] <xtknight> gksudo is link to gksu actually.  but it doesnt give me the same output
[11:41] <Pici> Ah, so it is.
[11:41] <xtknight> how does one  do something different?  never had this when i used gksu in Feisty
[11:42] <xtknight> actually as a matter of fact it's not which one you use.  it just happens off and on
[11:42] <kousotu> xtknight: can you help me out with a fewprobs?
[11:47] <xtknight> AeroStick, thx for testing i reported it as Bug 138988
[11:47] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 138988 in gksu "gksu gives weird output" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138988
[11:47] <AeroStick> Thank you all guys, i'm sorry for bothering questions, but i'm a fresh user and i want to learn, and i want to help about developing..:)
[11:47] <AeroStick> thank yoursel xtknight..:)
[11:48] <AeroStick> now i gotta go, or my baby's gonna think that i like computers more than her..;)
[11:49] <kousotu> lol
[11:50] <AeroStick> hey, there's one thing... i just checked the report, there's something wrong: this pc is not an 64bit amd
[11:50] <AeroStick> xtknight, probably you should edit it
[11:51] <foo> ikonia: yo
[11:51] <ikonia> kousotu whats the problem - ie: what are the symptoms, why have you run a strace
[11:51] <AeroStick> xtknight, here's my pc configuration: amd 2500+ 32 bit single processor, ati radeon 9550 256mb ram
[11:51] <AeroStick> please don't forget to edit it, goognite
[11:51] <AeroStick> good nite..:D
[11:51] <ikonia> kousotu is sound working on your PC at all ?
[11:52] <foo> ikonia: Did you want me to ask in here? Or did you just want to talk in herE?
[11:52] <kousotu> ikonia: I'm listening to music right now
[11:52] <ikonia> foo sorry I typo'd
[11:52] <ikonia> foo in #ubuntu I mwant
[11:52] <ikonia> meant
[11:52] <foo> ikonia: ahhh :)
[11:52] <foo> ok
[11:53] <ikonia> kousotu it can't see your sound card through alsa the question is why
[11:53] <ikonia> looks like it wants a pcm device that isn't confiugred or seen
[11:54] <ikonia> kousotu have you tryed launching it from a shell ?
[11:58] <kousotu> yes
[12:00] <kousotu> [16:54]  <ikonia> kousotu have you tryed launching it from a shell ?  <yes
[12:00] <ikonia> any output from the shell ?
[12:01] <kousotu> typing fretsonfire?
[12:01] <ikonia> yes
[12:01] <ikonia> if thats the name of the binary
[12:02] <kousotu> ikonia: http://pastebin.com/d5b723250
[12:04] <kousotu> ikonia: it is
[12:05] <ikonia> it can't see your sound card at all
[12:05] <ikonia> I've never used frets on fire so I don't know what it depends on in terms of sound card
[12:06] <ikonia> it looks like alsa can't get the device extension it wants though
[12:06] <kousotu> ikonia: this worked finein tribe 4
[12:06] <kousotu> ti's a regresion issus
[12:06] <kousotu> issue*
[12:07] <ikonia> kousotu its a development distro, a total moving target, things will break
[12:07] <kousotu> lol
[12:07] <kousotu> ikonia: well, yes, I know
[12:07] <kousotu> that's why I still have my windows one lol
[12:13] <Pici> kousotu: file a bug then.
[12:13] <Pici> State its regression and that it worked on Tribe n
[12:13] <kousotu> Pici: and how should I go about doig that?
[12:14] <ikonia> kousotu create a launchpad id and login in, file a bug under gusty with all the correct information
[12:15] <Pici> !bug
[12:15] <Ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:15] <Pici> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fretsonfire/ <-
[12:17] <moreati>  kousotu: more info on filing a bug here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs
[12:31] <kousotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fretsonfire/+bug/139000
[12:31] <kousotu> good enough?
[12:31] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 139000 in fretsonfire "Firefox doesn't find alsa, works EVERYwhere else" [Undecided,New] 
[12:36] <masquerade> I just had a complete freakout here when trying to do an upgrade
[01:05] <mmlinux> where does wine put programs by default in ubuntu?
[01:06] <d4rknorris> mmlinux I believe its like... ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files
[01:06] <d4rknorris> err... I kinda escaped the space there... BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!
[01:06] <mmlinux> I dont know where /.wine is?
[01:07] <mmlinux> how do i get a gui for wine
[01:07] <kiba> my linux system is broke
[01:07] <mmlinux> this command line stuff is annoying i remember wine having a gui in PCLinux?
[01:07] <mmlinux> does ubuntu have that
[01:09] <d4rknorris> arg..
[01:09] <DanaG> Odd: I enabled shared folders, but my WIndows system can't even browse the workgroup.
[01:09] <d4rknorris> I don't think he saw the ~/.wine ...
[01:09] <DanaG> My Linux system can see the Windows system, though.
[01:09] <d4rknorris> o_O
[01:10] <DanaG> I guess I'll have to push stuff from the Linux one into an RW share on the Windows one.
[01:10] <kiba> why Amarok stop working?
[01:10] <kiba> it doesn't start up
[01:11] <kiba> and also the upgrade is broken..it doesn't start up kdm right
[01:15] <voltron> what is the compiz setting called that will disable the default effect that slides windows around and under a newly raised window?
[01:15] <Pici> voltron: I think its in the animation settings
[01:16] <voltron> Pici: which plugin?
[01:16] <voltron> is it "Glide 2"?
[01:16] <Pici> voltron: animation, the focus tab
[01:16] <Pici> voltron: its called dodge
[01:16] <voltron> dodge! ok thanks