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nikolam32 bit or 64 bit?01:19
d4rkmonkey32 bit for me!01:19
larson9999d4rkmonkey, 32.  maybe i should roobt01:19
d4rkmonkeyI dunno?01:19
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d4rkmonkeyXD I love the exit command in the default terminal, you can put anything after it.01:20
hablol d4rkmonkey01:21
habBTW, the flash instlaler in Firefox that was working, at least for me, in Feisty, is broken in Gutsy.01:22
d4rkmonkeyarg.. I really gotta finish this homework01:22
MTecknologyI installed Gutsy a few days ago. It worked great actually. I noticed that lspci revealed my PRO/Wireless 3945 wireless card, however there was no entry for my wireless in the network manager. I also couldn't figure out how to manually get it working b/c it's always just worked.01:24
MTecknologyI just wanted to mention it because I know of a lot of people that use ubuntu with this same hardware.01:25
d4rkmonkeyMTecknology at the beginning, mine didn't work because of a messed up sources.list file, or whatever it is..01:25
ubotuThe packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource01:25
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MTecknologywhat did you have to do01:25
d4rkmonkeyMTecknology gah, I don't have the link, but theres a site which allows you to generate a new sources.list file, and you can always try that.01:25
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:25
d4rkmonkeythats it :D01:25
d4rkmonkeygenerate a gutsy one, replace yours, then try runnign sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade01:26
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MTecknologyi always use that :)01:26
MTecknologybut that didn't fix it01:26
IntuitiveNippleMTecknology: does dmesg report the interface being created?01:27
MTecknologyheck, I don't even do an upgrade till i build my sources.list file :P01:27
MTecknologyIntuitiveNipple, I couldn't tell you. I'm back to 7.04 right now. I do have space for another partition when I give 7.10 a go again01:27
IntuitiveNippleI've not had problems with 32- or 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 and PRO/394501:28
MTecknologythis is a gateway m285-e tablet pc01:28
IntuitiveNippleThe only issues were related to using ipw3945 and open networks, but that was fixed last weekend01:28
MTecknologythere's a sh** load of problems with it01:28
MTecknologyi was trying it on friday and saturday01:29
MTecknologythen maybe my issue was fixewd01:29
IntuitiveNipplethose issues wouldn't stop the ipw3945 being found, just connections to open WAPs failed when WEP and WPA worked01:29
IntuitiveNippleNetworkManager always found the interface01:29
IntuitiveNippleBest thing to do is boot the LiveCD and the save the contents of /var/log/ to a USB stick or another file-system on the hard drive, then go bakc to Feisty and examine the logs01:31
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IntuitiveNippleHi bullgard4 how's your ACPI stuff going?01:31
MTecknologyalrighty- I made note of that so when I try it again I'll be able to ask ya about it01:31
IntuitiveNippleMTecknology: best thing is to search https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/01:32
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bullgard4IntuitiveNipple: I think I have just obtained a major breakthrough: For the first time my laptop resumed from suspend-to-ram. But I need to confirm it.01:33
IntuitiveNipplebullgard4: Is that with the latest Gutsy? There have been some improvements over the last few days, solved a number of outstanding issues01:34
IntuitiveNippleI'm running 64-bit Tribe-5 + updates from today and I've got no outstanding issues01:34
bullgard4IntuitiveNipple: No, ubuntu 7.04 using a 2.6.20-16-gneric kernel.01:34
IntuitiveNipplebullgard4: Ahhh, so time to upgrade :p01:35
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bullgard4IntuitiveNipple: well, just a minute. First I will have to confirm that this resume is really genuine.  -- I will make now another test and will be (hopefully) back here in 10 minutes.01:36
IntuitiveNipplegood luck01:37
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tapH20gurugutsy install worked ok using safe graphics mode...  locks up when starting X after install01:42
TerraMasterWhen I go to say sudo python {file} install it says Running build Runing Install and running build_py then it says package directoy src does not exist... any help?01:42
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d4rknorristapH20guru err, fix things, then try starting X?01:44
TerraMasterwhat is x?01:44
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto01:45
xtknight?dm restart doesnt work, do gdm restart or kdm restart for ubuntu and kubuntu respectively01:45
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xtknightdont even know why it's in the factoid tbh01:45
hydrogen?dm should work01:45
hydrogenit does01:46
xtknighti tried it on Feisty and it didn't seem to.   weird01:46
TerraMasterCould anyone help me?01:46
xtknightbut ya it's working fine at least here on gutsy now01:46
xtknight$ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm01:46
xtknight * Usage: /etc/init.d/gdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}01:46
tapH20gurud4rknorris: no - hard lock with X01:46
tapH20guruno Alt+F1 love :(01:47
d4rknorristapH20guru uhh, boot into recovery mode.01:47
tapH20guruno video signal at all01:47
xtknightalt printscreen love01:47
d4rknorristapH20guru hit escape when grub is loading, choose recovery mode?01:47
xtknightalt print screen K fixes stuff (esp. hard lock of X ) :p  it won't fix it but it will help you debug it01:47
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tapH20guruwill do.. just wondering what Sage Graphics Mode does different01:48
tapH20guruxtknight: ahh very cool will try01:48
xtknightsafe uses a VESA driver01:48
xtknightit's a standard that should work with all (most?) video cards01:48
xtknightbut it's 2d only01:48
tapH20gurugot ya01:48
xtknightand slow01:48
IntuitiveNippletapH20guru: When X locks, you can often recover to the console using Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+K01:50
xtknightif a driver's crashing, alt prt scr wont do anything.  at least nothing you can see, because when your video driver is gone your screen wont be showing that console.  that's what happened to me a few times, others sysrq fixed it.  if sysrq fixes it, it's not a driver problem but a software issue (i believe)01:50
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tapH20guruintuitiveNipple: sweet... will try it out01:53
tapH20gurunice nick01:54
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klaxiananyone notice problems with network manager after an update today?01:59
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d4rknorrisklaxian no?02:01
klaxiani can't seem to connect to my wireless network anymore, but it's working via ethernet cable02:01
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IntuitiveNippleklaxian: What does the log show?02:04
klaxianADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready02:05
klaxiandhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers02:06
klaxiandoesn't look too helpful02:06
bullgard5IntuitiveNipple: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works here now as far as I have tested it. But Irssi has given me now the nick 'bullgard5'. I need to find out why.02:06
klaxianSep 10 20:02:41 localhost NetworkManager: <debug> [1189468961.805227]  nm_device_802_11_wireless_get_activation_ap(): Forcing AP 'rag'02:07
IntuitiveNipplebullgard5: because your bullgard4 was still in-use when you returned02:07
klaxianIntuitiveNipple: it appears like it's trying to connect, but it keeps asking for my password02:08
bullgard5IntuitiveNipple: But I did not use it. I only told my computer to suspend to RAM.02:08
IntuitiveNipplebullgard5: most IRC clients use an alternate nickname if the primary is in use02:08
bullgard5But it wa not "in use".02:08
klaxianeverything was working fine until some network manager updates today02:09
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IntuitiveNipple00:55 bullgard4 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))02:09
IntuitiveNipplebullgard5: You have to /quit to release the nickname, not just drop off02:10
IntuitiveNipple(or close your IRC client down properly)02:10
bullgard5IntuitiveNipple: Yes. I  will keep your words in mind but go now to bed. I am happy about this major breakthroug: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works now using sudo s2ram -f -a 1.02:11
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Eleafis the newest gutsy release tribe6?02:25
Eleafor 5?02:26
Eleafhey, anybody here?02:28
hydrogentribe6 was just a milestone02:32
hydrogennot an official "release"02:32
Eleafoh okay.02:32
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EleafWould you recommend upgrading?  I just got a new harddrive and want to reinstall my system (currently running Feisty), hydrogen02:32
EleafI normally run bleeding edge ubuntu, is it too early or relatively stable?02:33
hydrogenI'd keep it at feisty02:33
hydrogenits relativly stable02:33
hydrogenbut feistys fine02:33
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benanzoGutsy hasn't suffered any major bugs since ~tribe 3.  We're likely not going to see anything  pop up that kills X or prevents you from booting, but that's not to say that we don't have the occasional desktop bug.02:35
EleafI'm kinda liking the look of the graphical x-conf tool and printing and such02:35
benanzoEleaf: display-config-gtk routinely hard resets my system when I test the settings.02:36
benanzoEleaf: but it's known and being worked on02:36
IntuitiveNippleEleaf: Since Tribe-5 I've been running 64-bit as my production platform02:36
benanzoEleaf: most of the code in it is geared toward xorg 7.3, which hasn't shown up yet.  So I can't blame them.02:37
EleafI see..02:37
EleafI may want to try it..02:37
EleafWhere is the newest iso?02:37
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EleafIntuitiveNipple, daily build seems safe?02:39
IntuitiveNippleEleaf: They generally contain what the updates push out02:39
Eleafhmm, yours is running okay today? lol02:39
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osmosiswhy does my /etc/motd  get overwritten all the time to the default?02:41
IntuitiveNippleI do kernel development (Eclipse), Google Earth, bluetooth devices, encrypted file-systems, and other push-the-envelope stuff and not having much in the way of problems02:41
IntuitiveNippleflash-nonfree 9 works in Firefox (with npwrapper), can't think of any real problems now.02:42
IntuitiveNippleplenty of niggles02:43
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EleafIntuitiveNipple, why do you need 'npwrapper'? oh, 64 bit..02:44
Eleafhow does that work under 64?02:44
Eleafcool, is pulseaudio the default sound system?02:44
Eleafthat's why I use in feisty02:44
bronsonIntuitiveNipple: Wait, you run Eclipse on Gutsy?02:45
Eleafand was using compiz fusion, but then it got weird with some drivers.02:45
bronsonDoesn't it suffer from that GTK+ toolbar crasher?02:45
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IntuitiveNipplewhen you remember to apply the fix for the broken package-script at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/131128/comments/402:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 131128 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree does not install properly" [Medium,Confirmed] 02:46
IntuitiveNipplebronson: Yes, 3.3 with Java 1.6 and MyEclipse 302:47
bronsonYou didn't need to recompile GTK+?02:47
bronsonHuh, I thought it affected all SWT.  Interesting.02:47
IntuitiveNipplebronson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54403202:47
bronsonIntuitiveNipple: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/12823202:53
ubotuLaunchpad bug 128232 in eclipse "Eclipse SEGFAULTs in libgtk-x11: gtk_tooltips_set_tip()" [Undecided,Confirmed] 02:53
bronson(took a while to find it again)02:54
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IntuitiveNippleI monitored that - but my installation (Eclipse Europa 3.3) doesn't have the problem. I think that's with the Ubuntu repo's 3.202:55
bronsonGuess I'll quit waiting to take my desktop machine to Gutsy then.02:56
IntuitiveNippleIt's not difficult installing 3.3 from Eclipse, after all, its all java :)02:57
IntuitiveNippleThe performance improvement on 64-bit is impressive, too02:57
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bronsonThat's the only way I run Eclipse...  I had endless problems with plugins when using the Feisty package.02:58
bronson3.3 + CDT + Aptana is pretty darned nice.02:58
bronson+ Subclipse + QuantumDB + ...   er...   a few others.02:58
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IntuitiveNippleCDT does well with kernel-development; handles the large trees really well03:02
IntuitiveNippleI often have three kernel-version projects open at the same time03:02
bronsonReally??  Wow, that's better than me.03:03
bronsonPresumably the kernel codebase is more, ah, predictable than my company's codebase.  :)03:04
osmosisshould I use a tribe release, or just use a daily ?03:04
IntuitiveNippledailies have the updates rolled into them, so it saves downloading03:05
osmosisno tribe 6 ?03:05
osmosisIntuitiveNipple: where do I get it from ?03:05
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DanaGHmm, I got my laptop back, but I won't have access to my existing Gutsy install.03:41
DanaGIs it worth doing a fresh install, and then matching packages and such?03:41
DanaGOr should I just wait and duplicate back my backup?03:42
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jordan_Good evening, I installed gusty tribe 5 on my laptop, and wireless (rt73 chipset) worked great, then I updated.  Now wireless wont work!  Any ideas?03:51
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osmosisI boot off the installer cd, and the installer icon doesnt even launch anything.04:40
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cld2is it possible to get the messages that scroll buy during boot? after the kernel takes over before the login? dmesg is not showing the hardware errors I see. thanks.04:54
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thumperhow do I enable compiz on kubuntu+1?06:50
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kousotuWhere might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader?06:58
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kousotuWhere might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader? My internal isn't working and I want to know why07:19
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jscinozis Thunderbird broken for anyone else? I get a segfault on opening any emails/rssfeeds08:06
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KousotuI need a Texas instruments: PCIxx21/x515/xx12 driver for linux. where can I find one?08:29
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DanaGCardbus controller, or SD card reader?08:31
Kousotu6in one08:31
DanaGHmm, there08:32
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KousotuI just ned Memorystick PRO though08:32
DanaGThere's the tifm_7xx1 module.  I'm not sure whether memorystick (or pro) is supported.08:32
KousotuI don;t use the other ones08:32
DanaGI know XD, for example, is definitely not.08:32
DanaGMS / MS Pro might not be, either.08:32
Kousotuwell I NEED pro08:32
Kousotuotherwise, I donn;t care08:33
Kousotuoh hell, I'l give it a shot08:33
KousotuI got a 32mb stick that can die08:34
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jscinozAre global keyhooks possible without root privileges? i need one that interfaces with my java program >_<09:04
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cr1sshello, here is my problem : recently, I installed fusion-icon from a .deb file for feisty.. I don't think that's a problem. Well, after that, when I log into ubuntu, I can't see the menu bar in the upper part of the screen, as well as my avant window navigator bar.. but, when I activate the cube, everything appears again.. what's that ? :>09:14
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scizzo-cr1ss: sounds strange09:21
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jussi01cr1ss: so when you login you have problems, but when you tuern compiz on then everything works?09:25
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cr1sscompiz fusion is enabled by default09:25
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jsomersI think that depends on the hardware09:26
cr1ssit's just, when I login, I can't see my menu bar and awn bar, but, when I press ctrl+alt+button1 to see the cube, everything reappears09:26
jussi01cr1ss: that does indeed sound strange. more people likely to know in #ubuntu-effects though09:26
jsomersI installed tribe 5 on my laptop yesterday and there it is not enabled09:26
cr1ssI 'll ask there too09:26
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mmlinuxI have a question09:26
mmlinuxthe accounts are confusing me a bit09:27
mmlinuxMy current ubuntu 7.04 rig is set up like this: root< seems to be disabled/All privelges unchecked   admin< administer system to remove software, ect and then matt < my simple user accounr09:28
mmlinuxbut admin sorta seems like root whats the difference09:28
jsomersyour user has the ability to perform admin/root actions, such as installing software09:30
jsomersit uses sudo to do that09:30
mmlinuxbasically i went above and beyond security wise and made a admin account for maintence related, and my account has no admin abilitys09:30
jsomerssudo is basically telling that your account (the one you set up by default) has the abillity to do admin stuff09:30
mmlinuxi just noticed i went into users and groups (from admin) and i noticed that ubuntu's bash shell asks for a password in sudo AND its using admins password as root and not the root password i made in users and groups09:32
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mmlinuxexample sudo su09:32
mmlinuxmy admin account password is the root password?09:33
jsomerssudo asks for your user password09:33
jsomersto verify09:33
jsomerssudo is a tool to allow a simple user to perform root operations09:33
jsomersyou can specify which operations it can do09:33
jsomerseg, only install software, but not  remove files outside of home09:33
jsomersby default ubuntu allows it to do everything09:33
mmlinuxso security wise is my idea of ADMIN (change software) and User (use only) any good?09:34
mmlinuxor can no damage be done by me being an admin?09:34
jsomersdepends, if you consider yourself an insecure user :)09:34
mmlinuxby external people09:34
mmlinuxim minimalistic and i got lokkit set to high09:35
jsomersyou can create a new user for example (guest) with no admin rights if other people need to use your computer09:35
mmlinuxbut i figured if someone gets in from the outside that my idea of admin/user would work09:35
mmlinuxOutside (hacker) not physical poeple09:35
jsomersubuntu aims for new users, and they don't want to be bothered too much with multiple accounts09:35
jsomersyes, that might cause security problems09:36
jsomersbut that requires him to gain access to your pc first09:36
mmlinuxis admin as damageing as root?09:36
scizzo-mmlinux: most of the times they try to use the root account09:36
mmlinuxor can he only change software ect?09:36
jsomersif you use a firewall (software or hardware based) you already secure your pc09:37
scizzo-mmlinux: the sudo stuff is basicly levels of what you can do to the system09:37
jsomersmmlinux: yes09:37
jsomersbecause ubuntu allows it to do everything09:37
mmlinuxi have router plus lokkit and the account i use is NONadmin09:37
jsomersyou can disable that however09:37
jsomersbut then you will have to use a root account to install applications or modify things outside of /home/user09:37
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mmlinuxroot account is dead, u guys did that by default09:38
mmlinuxi have a admin i made09:38
jsomersit's not dead09:38
scizzo-mmlinux: no...not dead...09:38
mmlinuxi cant login to it09:38
mmlinuxand all privileges are off09:38
scizzo-mmlinux: try using sudo -s -H09:39
scizzo-then type the user password....09:39
scizzo-then you get to root dir09:39
scizzo-thing is....there is not password for root09:39
scizzo-and the first user created will be the main admin account09:39
mmlinuxso how do i lock down root and put it to "sleep" for say?09:40
scizzo-mmlinux: well you never want to do that09:40
scizzo-mmlinux: cause things in the system are owned by root09:40
mmlinuxwhy? no password is bad isnt it?09:40
scizzo-mmlinux: no.....it only means that the account is not suable09:41
scizzo-mmlinux: or that it is login able unless you are on the machine having a account that has admin right09:41
scizzo-mmlinux: sudo sets the level of admin you want to use09:41
mmlinuxthat means its not accessible from my basic account09:41
mmlinuxthe root accoutn^^09:41
jsomersmmlinux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo09:41
scizzo-mmlinux: for example: I have a file somewhere that I only want user dumdidum to read....09:41
scizzo-mmlinux: I can set the read/write admin rights to this by using sudo09:42
scizzo-mmlinux: the first account created is a admin09:42
scizzo-mmlinux: typing: sudo -s -H09:43
scizzo-mmlinux: then use the user password....then bam you are root with a shell09:43
mmlinuxwhats sudo -s -H09:43
scizzo-mmlinux: man sudo09:43
scizzo-mmlinux: really...mate...09:43
mmlinuxme being root is really BAD isnt it i mean id be wielding a bit much power there eh?09:44
scizzo-mmlinux: maybe09:44
mmlinux<<< cue me nuking my pc be accident lol09:44
scizzo-mmlinux: but.....if you are the admin of the machine then why not?09:45
mmlinuxIm not09:45
scizzo-mmlinux: its like saying "I want a car that I don't own that I still can trash!"09:45
mmlinuxi disabled my own admin rights and a made an 3rd account called admin09:45
scizzo-mmlinux: right...so now you have to use admin for updates?09:45
mmlinuxi dnt know, i have an update manager but no synaptic or add/remove09:46
mmlinuxadmin has it all09:46
scizzo-mmlinux: so how did you remove the rights for the admin user?09:46
scizzo-mmlinux: well the update-manager if you can't access the system then it can install...09:47
scizzo-mmlinux: _IF_ you are not admin09:47
mmlinuxi went users and groups, i turned off adminster privelge for my account and made a new account for administering the system09:47
scizzo-mmlinux: ....OUCH09:47
scizzo-mmlinux: well...ok....09:47
scizzo-mmlinux: think you need to read up a bit on sudo and root stuff09:48
mmlinuxi basically made the admin a 3rd person, so if i were to be hacked in my normal account they cant do much (no admin rights)09:48
mmlinuxbut then again I cant do much either lol09:49
scizzo-mmlinux: you do realize that the user you have still has admin right right?09:49
mmlinuxit cant be09:49
mmlinuxi cant even sudo in bash09:49
scizzo-mmlinux: actually it is09:49
scizzo-mmlinux: what?09:49
scizzo-mmlinux: jesus.....o well have fun09:49
mmlinuxI cant sudo su or sudo lokkit or anything in bash other than non-admin commands09:50
mmlinuxunless i log into the admin account then i can09:50
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scizzo-mmlinux: type groups09:51
scizzo-mmlinux: you have a admin in that list?09:51
scizzo-mmlinux: aaa..wait09:52
mmlinuxGive me one sec09:52
scizzo-mmlinux: that is the group you removed09:52
mmlinuxI went to privelges and unchecked administer system09:52
scizzo-mmlinux: yep09:52
mmlinuxthats what i did and i figured thats what it did09:52
mmlinux<< it weeniefied my account09:52
scizzo-mmlinux: its all the members of the group admin that is the sudo people09:52
scizzo-well I belive you still need to read more about the stuff about sudo and so on09:53
mmlinuxi cant sudo in my account by as admin i cant sudo (yell at root to do something for me) ?09:53
scizzo-you seem to paranoid to me... :P09:53
mmlinuxCAN sudo^09:53
mmlinuxi think i got it now09:53
mmlinuxan admin can pester the hell out of root to run commands by typing sudo09:54
mmlinuxhehe thats my spin on it^09:54
scizzo-sorry mate...I have to say man sudo again09:55
mmlinuxsudo means superuser do right? superuser is root right? ubuntu doesnt let you loginto root but will let u sudo or ask root to run the command, and what i did was turn my admin rights off so i cant sudo right?09:56
scizzo-man visudo09:58
mmlinuxhuh as admin its "permission denied"09:59
scizzo-the editor for the sudo file09:59
scizzo-try it with your user09:59
mmlinuxdo i need to be sudo su?09:59
scizzo-its a man file10:00
mmlinuxi cant its permission denied10:00
scizzo-ooo you are running the command10:00
scizzo-I said man visudo10:00
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mmlinuxohhhh dam lol "man visudo" i thought you were being impatient and man!!  hehe10:01
mmlinuxthat is one hefty chunk console text goodness10:01
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mmlinuxthanks for your help guys10:06
mmlinux<<<<me using linux is almost laughable its like a 6 year old holding a remote to a nuke and saying "ooooooooh shiny button"10:08
mmlinuxim just glad it isnt like windows and falls apart and becomes unusable from acts of stupidity.....10:08
mmlinuxseeya guys10:09
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xy77I updated from feisty to gutsy yesterday. Running Xgl significantly slows down the display. I looked at launchpad for xgl slow, but couldn't find any clues. Can someone give me a hint on where to look or what might be wrong?10:24
xy77When I run X manually, the speed is okay. I tried ati as well as fglrx driver.10:24
Amaranthxy77: Xgl on fglrx is slow unless you use compiz10:25
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xy77Thanks for the hint. It seems I had some old compiz packages instlled. I removed them and reinstalled compiz. I will try to see if it works...10:34
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xy77I get the following error when changing to compiz: Fatal: Support for non power of two textures missing; no managable screens found.10:52
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Amaranthxy77: does metacity start back up then?10:55
xy77Amaranth: I use beryl-manager to switch wms, and it says it runs compiz... I can change back to metacity tough. If I try beryl, it says cant start beryl-xgl.10:57
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Amaranthah, so you're not using gutsy10:58
Amaranthprobably the wrong channel then10:58
xy77Amaranth: I'm surely using gutsy, I updated yesterday.10:58
Amaranthxy77: then you shouldn't be using beryl anything10:58
Amaranthberyl is gone10:59
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xy77Amaranth: Okay, so I removed the beryl packages and tried a compiz --replace. It seems to run, but It says no mangable screens found. And the screen rendering is still extremely slow.11:02
Amaranthcompiz.real --version11:02
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xy77Amaranth: compiz 0.5.311:04
DSpairI have a question about using the network-connection-manager with vpnc... How can configure other options or set defaults?11:04
Amaranthxy77: then it's not lying, you can't use compiz11:05
xy77jussi01: IBM Thinkpad T42p with a ATI FireGL Mobility T211:05
DSpairParticularly, I need to set the "Vendor cisco" and "Nat Traversal Mode cisco-udp"11:05
Amaranthdoes that work with the open source driver?11:05
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xy77Amaranth: so there's no way of making the default Xgl server that starts up faster?11:07
Amaranthno, just uninstall it11:07
AmaranthXgl only starts like that if you manually installed it11:08
DSpairHas anyone else noticed Wireless connections dropping after a time?11:08
AmaranthDSpair: i have but that's because my router sucks and has to be restarted every 2-12 hours11:08
xy77Amaranth: I see, that's the problem.11:09
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xy77Thanks for the help Amaranth, no I get the default X session instead of the xgl one. That's much better, although I have no clue, why I can't enable desktop effects. I uninstalled compiz, since you said I can't use it, but now it complains about missing compiz. I don't get it.11:23
Amaranthcompiz is a part of the desktop11:23
Amaranthubuntu-desktop, i mean11:23
Amaranthbut it won't even try to run if you're not using Xgl11:23
xy77What makes me wonder is, that desktop effects work fine if I run a livecd. So I figure it has something to do with my configuration.11:25
xy77And I always hope there is a way of getting around a fresh install by changing things.11:26
Amaranthif it works on a live cd that means you don't need fglrx11:27
Amaranthif you uninstall fglrx and change your driver back to 'ati' it should work11:27
xy77I see. I'll try that.11:27
Amaranthyou have to restart after uninstalling fglrx11:28
Amaranthit craps into lots of places you wouldn't think it would11:28
xy77*brb* *hopesto*11:29
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_4strOhi there11:36
=== nanonyme thinks it might be a good idea that you could choose in ubuntu installer whether compiz would be enabled or not and you would get a notice which would tell you about the problems it has
nanonymethat is, if ubuntu+1 will have it installed in any case11:43
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xy77Just wanted to check back and tell you it worked. After uninstalling fglrx drivers and rebooting, I could enable desktop effects. Had to reinstall compiz, since ubuntu-desktop didn't recognize them as missing, which it should if I understand it correctly. Thanks for the help guys.11:51
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mrtimdogHi, is there a how-to for kubuntu (gutsy) and compiz?12:17
Hobbseeinstall compiz-kde and ccsm, and compiz --replace12:19
yellowChickencompiz same as berly?12:21
stdinnot the same, but not that different :p12:21
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mrtimdogHobbsee: thanks, giving it a try...12:22
stdinmrtimdog: the package for ccsm is compizconfig-settings-manager12:23
mrtimdogAlready installed. I've just moved from ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop. Just getting used to the kdeisms :)12:24
mrtimdogCompiz running :)12:26
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snadgekde is for poofs12:35
yellowChickenmrtimdog: wow, that was fast, how did u do it?12:36
snadgeactually im about 36 hours into an emerge gnome, theres no way im switching to kde.. hehe12:36
mrtimdogSet up my xorg,conf with nvidia-settings, installed the pkgs you mentioned, ran compiz --replace, ran kde-window-decorator :)12:37
mrtimdogJust installed the extra compiz plugins, configuring a couple now for more subtle effects that I can do real work without being distracted too much!12:38
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AnRkeydon't you just hate it when u can't reproduce a bug!?01:01
AnRkeyhi all01:01
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PiciThen its a feature ;p01:09
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_MMA_I'm getting this with the newest update to system-config-printer. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3709701:45
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KenSentMeAnyone here who uses networkmanager in gutsy to connect to wireless networks using PEAP?01:51
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mojo_hi there everyone01:55
mojo_i run into a problem with MPD and mpc01:55
jribmojo_: check /var/log/mpd/errors.log (but explain your issue here too so others can help)01:55
jribmojo_: keep discussion here please01:58
Pici!paste | mojo_01:58
ubotumojo_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)01:58
mojo_ubotu: thx01:58
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about thx - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi01:58
jribmojo_: I think I see the issue... mpd wants to use OSS instad of alsa for some reason.01:58
mojo_jrib: alsa is also busy01:59
mojo_jrib: wait for my pastebin01:59
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mojo_jrib, ubotu: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37099/02:01
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots02:01
mojo_I think the config file for alsa output is wrong, I don't know how to find out the info about alsa anyway02:02
jribmojo_: did you add the audio stuff or was that default?02:03
mojo_jrib: I only add the esd02:03
instabin|workWhen is tribe 6 going to be released02:04
mojo_jrib: let me remove and test it w/o esd part02:04
instabin|workits already past due02:04
Piciinstabin|work: Read the topic.02:04
instabin|workPici I did read the topic02:04
ubotuPlease read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic02:04
jribmojo_: if that doesn't work, try commenting everything audio related.  My mpd.conf in feisty doesn't have any it and it detects things fine02:04
Piciinstabin|work: "Following discussion with the QA, GNOME, Linux, installer and other teams we have decided not to make a formal release for Tribe 6, but rather to use it as a milestone for bugfixing. "02:04
instabin|workPici: that is not what the topic says02:05
Piciinstabin|work: yes, it is.02:06
instabin|workThe In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | For tribe 6 info, see http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g02:06
instabin|workthat is what i see for the topic02:06
jribinstabin|work: "For tribe 6 info..."02:06
Piciinstabin|work: For Tribe 6 info see  http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g02:06
mojo_jrib: okay, let me try comment all out02:06
mojo_jrib: you rocks!!! It WORKS!! YAY!02:07
mojo_jrib: omg, how i could thank u02:07
jribmojo_: if you want, try 'sudo aptitude purge mpd && sudo aptitude install mpd'.  If it brings in the mpd.conf that does not work again, it would be cool if you could file a bug02:08
jriboh, 'sudo aptitude update' first02:08
mojo_jrib: it works!, just comment those output and it works!02:09
mojo_jrib: thank you so much :)02:09
jribmojo_: np, checking if the bug exists after you purge and reinstall is so others don't have to go through this02:09
mojo_jrib: it's just my fault, I was do a manual tarball compile b4 moving to debian02:10
jriboh, ok02:10
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Krymzonis it only me whose gnome-terminal (among others) has broken today?02:15
Krymzonseems to be a libc issue...02:16
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Kristizzhi guys02:35
Kristizzis anyone able to direct me to a sensible way to upgrade feisty to herd 5 using apt?02:35
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Sevenhillhi tjere02:47
Sevenhillhi there02:47
Sevenhilldo you have any information about when it might be released the tribe 6 ?02:47
ikoniaits in the topic02:47
Sevenhillhmm sorry about it i just seen that after i press enter02:48
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Piciikonia: !tribe6 now gives that info fyi :)02:49
ikonianice new factiod, thanks02:49
ikoniaI just noticed it in the topic02:49
IdleOne!tribe6 > IdleOne02:50
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=== IdleOne wonders about the devs sometimes! sexy-python removed and installing python-sexy? what is going on in that room they all work in that they are naming packages like that :P
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__timIdleOne: must be to avoid naming conflicts with packages belonging to the s3cr3t new sexbuntu flavour ;-)03:04
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IdleOne__tim: shhhhhhhhh! it's a secret03:05
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IdleOnehehe I have an issue here. got this LARGE black band going across my screen guess it is about 3 inches think just above center screen. think I saw somebody a few days ago have an issue like this but not sure what the solution might be03:31
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amr!gusty | amr03:32
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amrafetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:32
PiciIdleOne: If you can, check launchpad, I remember reading about that issue there.03:32
IdleOnePici: I'll try but might not be easy03:32
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LynoureIdleOne: it does sound familiar, but from Dapper times03:33
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amrafetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:34
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amrafetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:34
IdleOnePici: would you mind searching launchapd for me. this makes it impossible to read anything on top half of screen03:34
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PiciIdleOne: I'll take a look03:35
IdleOnethank you03:35
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MrSteinare there no more nice web pages about a beta release, as they were for dapper ?03:36
PiciIdleOne: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/13760403:37
IdleOnelemme look and see03:38
IdleOneif I can03:38
PiciIdleOne: Says that the only solution right now is to downgrade to your xserver-xorg-core package.03:38
AmaranthPici: you're showing your beta-testerness :P03:38
PiciAmaranth: ;)03:38
IdleOneok how do I downgrade that package?03:39
IdleOneto what version?03:39
amrafetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to start x and the message /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:40
IdleOneI read a little further :/03:41
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TehRandomsilly question guys... how the hell do i enable SSHD on 7.1003:42
PiciTehRandom: Same way you do on 7.0403:42
TehRandomk, which is?03:43
TehRandomi'm new to Ubuntu03:43
amrafetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and no progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to continue  or type root password for maintainence and the message is /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:43
ikoniathen perhaps using the dev vesion isn't a good idea03:43
TehRandomikonia, is the process to enable a service different than the LTS version?03:44
ikoniaenable what exactly ?03:44
amrhallo any one can help me03:44
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ikoniasorry I missed your full question03:44
TehRandomservices in general, SSHD in specific03:44
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ikoniahave you installed it ?03:44
TehRandomi'm used to slackware's methodology03:44
amr afetr update i recieved the message during boot and no splash of ubuntu and no progress bar and ask me to hit ctrl+D to continue  or type root password for maintainence and the message is /sbin/apparmor_parser:unable to add "usr/lib/cups/backend/cups-pdf".profile doesn't conform to protocol  profile /etc/apparmor.d/usr.sbin.cupsd failed to load :failed03:44
TehRandomyes, i've installed it and the network is up03:44
ikoniaTehRandom then ssh is enabled. It runs at startup by default03:45
Piciamr: No need to repeat so quickly, there arent very many people here and its not that busy.03:45
Piciamr: Check for a bug on launchpad and if it doesnt exist you may want to add one.03:45
TehRandomikonia, someone yesterday said that no services were enabled by default....03:45
ikoniaTehRandom well, ssh is03:45
TehRandomi can ping the IP, but the connection on port 22 is refused instantly03:46
ikoniaTehRandom have you checked if ssh is runnign ?03:46
TehRandomdoes 7.10 ship w/ a firewall on by default?03:46
Piciikonia: ssh isnt on the default install iirc.03:46
ikoniaPici no, but he said he's installed it03:46
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TehRandomthere's a /etc/ssh03:46
ikoniaTehRandom thats not what I asked03:46
TehRandomyou're saying the package itself isnt installed by default?!03:46
ikoniaTehRandom I asked 1.) have you installed ssh server (openssh-server)03:46
ikoniaTehRandom 2.) if sshd was running03:46
ikoniaTehRandom no - thats why I asked if you had installed it03:47
amrpici , sorry for repeating but i didn't find it in launchpad and i did post one other than this before but didn't recieve fix tillnow03:47
TehRandomi'm sorry03:47
TehRandomyou said <ikonia> have you installed it ?03:47
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TehRandomand i thought you meant the distro itself03:47
ikoniahave you installed it03:47
ikoniaooh come on03:47
TehRandomshrug... my mistake03:47
TehRandomi will go install it... that'll probably help me SSH in ;)03:47
ikoniathe package is openssh-server03:48
TehRandomso to back the question to a more general one, what is the method by which services are enabled/disabled on boot ?03:48
TehRandomin slack you set /etc/rc.d/rc.servicename +x or -x03:48
ikoniaTehRandom random - but ssh is enabled by default03:48
TehRandomi understand, but i'm asking about things moving forwards03:48
ikoniathe init daemon is called upstart03:49
TehRandomi'm trying to get a feel for Ubuntu server, and how it manages things03:49
TehRandomhave you ever played w/ Vmware on ubuntu server?03:49
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TehRandomi'm confused03:54
TehRandomit says that I should be able to sudo as the user that i specified during install03:55
TehRandomand that the root user had a locked password03:55
TehRandombut when i sudo aptitude, it asks for a password03:55
PiciYes, put in your user password.03:55
TehRandomand aptitude wont let me "become root"03:55
TehRandomi did that.03:55
TehRandomand it said no03:55
PiciTehRandom: I dont think you should be running Gutsy if you are having this many issues already.03:55
TehRandomis feisty that much different?03:56
PiciTehRandom: Feisty is at least stable.03:56
TehRandomi dont think the problem is distro stability03:56
Armor_AzraelNo, not different, but this channel is primarily for debugging gutsy03:56
TehRandomit's my newbishness at ubuntu03:56
ikoniaperhaps a development version of ubuntu is not appropriate to pick up ubuntu03:56
Armor_AzraelIf you want help for regular problems, probably want to at least ask questions in #ubuntu03:56
TehRandomis there a channel for Ubuntu Server specific?03:56
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PiciTehRandom: No, #ubuntu handles most everything03:57
IdleOnePici: ty for finding that bug. downgrade worked03:57
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PiciIdleOne: No problem03:57
IdleOnenowupdate manager wants to upgrade again hehe. how do I make it ignore that upgrade?03:58
IdleOneyup wants to upgrade xserver-xorg-core03:59
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TehRandomthank you for the help guys, i'm downloading 6.06 so as to not put any strain on the debug team with my n00bness04:01
IdleOneTehRandom: you can help by running gutsy and finding/reporting bugs if you feel comfortable with that if not 6.06 is a good choice04:02
TehRandomi'm not familiar enough with Ubuntu in general to know a bug in this version versus intended operation04:03
PiciIdleOne: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto04:03
IdleOneTehRandom: that is cool. looking forward to seeing you in #ubuntu :)04:03
IdleOnety Pici04:03
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TehRandombeen there since yesterday :)04:04
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IdleOnePici: that pinning howto is a little confusing hehe04:10
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PiciIdleOne: Its what ubotu's factoid says04:11
KenSentMeAnyone else upgraded system-config-printer to the latest versie (0.7.74 or something)? The program doesn't start anymore from the system meny04:11
IdleOneyeah i am reading on there is a link to a more user friendly explanation of pinning04:11
IdleOneor so it says04:12
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l3onHi all :)04:13
KenSentMeCan someone verify for me if after the latest (today) update the printing module works?04:13
l3onI've some problme with Firefox on Gutsy 64bit... this is what's happened when try to change preferences: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37105/04:13
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l3onCan anyone help me ?04:14
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l3onThunderbird works like firefox... break down on Preferences04:14
Picil3on: Is this a fresh install? Have you done any updates/upgrades?04:15
PiciI remember seeing issues with glibc, but that was a few tribes ago.04:16
l3onYes, I've upgrade 20min ago04:16
Picil3on: Have you searched launchpad for anyone with similar issues?04:16
l3onReally I dist-upgraded my Ubuntu 20min ago....04:16
l3onPici: sorry... but Launchpad is a dark space for me... I can't use it :(04:17
IdleOnePici: I would appreciate any specific help you could give me with pinning xserver-xorg-core to this version xserver-xorg-core_2%3a1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu2_i386.deb04:17
IdleOnehmmm does Synaptic give the option of pinning?04:19
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PiciIdleOne: It might04:20
billytwowillyanyone else having hotmail time out when you try to connect in all linux browsers, but working fine in windows on the same machine?04:21
l3onPici: I find nothing04:23
Picil3on: Did it file a bug automagically when it crashed the first time?04:24
l3onmmmm.... I don't remember04:25
l3ondamn... It's very boring04:27
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kousotucan someone help me wiath a card reader problem? (MS Pro)04:39
ikoniawhat is the problem ?04:39
kousotuit won't mount04:39
ikoniaok - whats the error04:39
kousotuor.. at least, don't show up in "computer"04:39
kousotuikonia: it shows no error04:40
ikoniaok - try mounting it manually04:40
ikoniasee if we can get an error04:40
kousotuikonia: commands?04:40
ikoniakousotu man mount04:40
kousotuUEVENT[1189521648.645130]  add      /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1e.0/0000:0a:09.2/tifm_ms0:0 (tifm)04:41
kousotuI get the monotioring it04:41
linxehbillytwowilly: sounds like an MTU issue04:41
ikoniakousotu try to mount it manually04:41
linxehkousotu: is it an internal reader ?04:42
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ikoniajust researching the chipset on it04:42
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billytwowillylinxeh: mtu issue?04:43
Dana1TI PCI-xx12 doesn't have support for MemoryStick under Linux, I believe.04:43
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linxehbillytwowilly: the MTU for your network device is likely badly configured. have a look, and compare to what it is set to in windows04:43
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linxehbillytwowilly: I had a similar problem04:44
kousotumodprobe -l  | grep 7xx104:44
kousotuI'm using this driver04:44
ikoniakousotu try to mount it manually04:44
DanaGActually, grep for tifm.04:44
kousotubrb, it's searching04:45
ikoniaoutput of lsmod should nonlty take a second04:45
ikoniaif you manually try to mount the card you'll get a more informative error04:45
IdleOnePici: in Synaptic you can Force Version : in Synaptic Package>Force Version then gives you choice of installed or installable version04:45
PiciIdleOne: Good to know :)04:45
DanaGBut if nothing shows up in dmesg besides "card detected", then you know there's a lower-level issue.04:46
billytwowillylinxeh: where would I find the mtu configuration?04:46
IdleOnePici: guess the thing is to remember to go to Synaptic and remove the Force once the new package is fixed :/04:46
PiciIdleOne: Subscribe yourself to the bug then.04:46
ikoniaI guess also - is there an SD card in the card reader to mount ?04:46
IdleOnewill do. still ave that link?04:46
linxehbillytwowilly: ifconfig should tell you. on windows it might be in ipconfig but probably in control panel. you didn't find any help on google then?04:47
Pici https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/13760404:47
kousotukousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ grep tifm04:50
mojo_hello there04:50
mojo_does any1 has any idea what this bug is:04:50
mojo_mojo@mojo:~$ sudo dpkg -i linux-image-
mojo_[sudo]  password for mojo:04:50
mojo_Selecting previously deselected package linux-image-
mojo_(Reading database ... 95552 files and directories currently installed.)04:50
mojo_Unpacking linux-image- (from linux-image- ...04:50
mojo_Setting up linux-image- ( ...04:50
mojo_Running depmod.04:50
mojo_Finding valid ramdisk creators.04:50
mojo_Using mkinitramfs-kpkg to build the ramdisk.04:50
kousotuikonia: Just the MSPRO04:51
mojo_find: /lib/firmware/ No such file or directory04:51
mojo_find: /lib/firmware/ No such file or directory04:51
mojo_find: /lib/firmware/ No such file or directory04:51
mojo_find: /lib/firmware/ No such file or directory04:51
mojo_I build my own kernel based on linux-source 2.6.2204:51
Picimojo_: Use a pastebin!!04:51
mojo_and get this error04:51
mojo_the find:/lib/ one04:51
ikoniakousotu sorry, I missed your last comment, sorry04:51
elkbuntubah. dumb bot04:51
ikoniaelkbuntu ubotu is dead04:51
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kousotukousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ grep tifm04:51
kousotuikonia: Just the MSPRO04:51
elkbuntuikonia, yeah, reflexes dont recognise such trivial things04:52
ikoniakousotu what about the MSPRO ?04:52
kousotuhow bout I just repost my last 3 ;)04:52
ikoniaelkbuntu I've called it about 5 times today04:52
ikoniakousotu yeah, I may have miseed a few04:52
kousotu[09:46]  <ikonia> I guess also - is there an SD card in the card reader to mount ?04:52
kousotuikonia: Just the MSPRO04:52
ikoniakousotu whats the MSPRO, is that an actual card to be read ?04:53
kousotuthe only cards I own are memory stick pro duos04:53
ikoniaok - is there a card in the card reader to be read ?04:53
kousotuand yes, there is an actual care to read04:53
ikoniaok, great04:53
l3onPici: resolved it changing gtk2 theme04:53
ikoniathats one thing ticket off the list04:53
l3onstrange... but now works !!04:53
ikoniajoin #ubuntu04:53
l3onthx :)04:53
ikoniaDB42 its personal opinion - try it04:53
Picil3on: Odd, good to know though.04:53
ikoniadidn't mean to say that04:54
ikoniastupid lag04:54
kousotuyou want me to join ubuntu?04:54
ikoniaI was lagging04:54
kousotucause I'm already there anywho04:54
mojo_okay, I was having problenm with install new built kernel, error is here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37115/04:54
mojo_can some1 have a look and give me some hand?04:55
kousotuPici: mornin04:55
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ikoniamojo_ totally missed the problem as you flooded the screen04:55
mojo_just look at the pastebin, it's all there04:55
mojo_my question is in there 204:55
ikoniaI missed your pastebin url04:55
mojo_sorry for flooding04:55
IdleOnedoes update manager know that I set a force version in Synaptic? meaning will it stop itself from trying to upgrade the specefic package?04:55
ikoniaas you flooded04:55
ikoniaIdleOne isn't apt-profiles the control method for that?04:56
IdleOneikonia: I dont know :/04:56
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ikoniaIdleOne I thoought the package policy's controlled that04:57
ikoniakousotu check if the module is in the kernel04:57
ikoniakousotu re-check dmesg to see what it knows about the card04:57
ikoniakousotu check lspci to see if the card is identified correctly04:57
IdleOneikonia: my issue is that xserver-xorg-core ubuntu3 gives me a black band across my screen solved that by downgrading to ubuntu2 but now I want to keep the older version until the bug is fixed but update manager wants to upgrade even though I set a force version in synaptic04:59
IdleOnebug #13760404:59
ikoniaIdleOne have a play with apt-cache policy and set a policy on the xserver package04:59
ikoniaI've not got an ubuntu box on me to give you the exact hand, but that should be an "ok" start05:00
IdleOneikonia: I dont know how to set policy05:00
ikoniaIdleOne its something like apt-cache policy $package $version05:00
ikoniabut I've not got an apt installed box to hand05:00
kousotu0a:09.2 Mass storage controller: Texas Instruments 5-in-1 Multimedia Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/xD)05:00
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kousotu(this may be a bit much to paste, my appologies if so)05:01
kousotu[  181.752000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:01
kousotu[  181.932000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:01
kousotu[  274.712000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:01
kousotu[  278.704000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:01
IdleOnekousotu: if not sure use pastebin05:01
kousotu[  278.708000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:01
kousotu[  312.644000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:01
kousotu[  318.108000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:01
kousotu[  318.112000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:01
kousotu[  476.824000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:01
kousotu[  477.464000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:01
ikoniaahhh the kernel module is not happy05:01
ikoniatifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:02
Picikousotu: PASTE!05:02
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ikonialooks like a module it wants to play with isn't happy playing with it05:02
noah__kousotu: can you paste all of your dmesg in the channel?05:02
noah__kousotu: /exec -o dmesg05:02
Picinoah__: Please dont suggest that.05:02
l3onbye... I'm going out...05:03
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nanonymeyes, rather use a pastebin05:03
kousotuPici: I'm not that stupid05:03
Picikousotu: I know you arent, but who knows who is lurking in here.05:04
ikoniakousotu looking at the complaint, modules ar enot happy, try loading the modules manually to see if you get the same or better error output05:04
nanonymePici, any ideas who i should brainstorm with and where to get an alternative to enabling compiz in gutsy by default? ;) i have some ideas for it05:05
noah__Pici: :D05:05
ikoniaor insmod depending on what you want to do05:05
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kousotuinsmod is?05:06
ikoniaman insmod05:06
kousotuI hate manuals05:06
ikoniamojo_ where di you get that kernel ?05:08
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IdleOneikonia: can you help me with setting the policy on xserver-xorg-core?05:08
mojo_ikonia: download package linux-source then compile it my own05:09
ikoniaIdleOne I would happily help you, if I have an ubuntu box to hand to walk through the commands05:09
mojo_ikonia: care for .config file? I paste it to the pastebin05:09
kousotukousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe tifm_7xx105:09
kousotu[sudo]  password for kousotu:05:09
ikoniamojo therefore this is nothing to do with gusty support - so not relevent to thischannel05:09
IdleOnethink you already did up a few lines . didnt see it earliert05:09
ikoniamojo_ this is support for gusty - not package your own kernel05:10
mojo_ikonia: heh?!! that linux-source is gutsy kernel version05:10
ikoniaso ?05:10
ikoniayou're recompiling your own version05:10
mojo_ikonia: I just recompile the setting of default image05:10
ikoniaat the moment gusty is not stable so its hard to support custom builds05:10
ikoniamojo_ why did you do that ?05:10
mojo_ikonia: no changes, and it shows those errors05:10
mojo_ikonia: for learning and testing, aren't we testing gutsy?05:10
Picimojo_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild05:10
ikoniapossibly because you've not built correctly05:10
ikoniamojo_ yes but you've ust done a test not reelvent to gusty05:11
ikoniayou've done a custom kernel build05:11
mojo_Pici: i did follow those intrusction05:11
Picimojo_: I can't help you past that.05:11
ikoniathe error is pretty clear, its missing the firmware because YOU have changed the dir05:11
ikoniathe firmware dir is not
ikoniabecause you have re-named the kernel05:11
ikoniatherefore YOU have made the error05:11
ikoniaas I said its not fair to ask us to support user customisation on an unstable / development distor05:12
mojo_ikonia: okay, let me try to remove --apend-to-version=-macho and see how it works05:12
kousotuikonia: partially unstable05:12
ikoniakousotu no - its unstable05:12
ikoniamojo_ hence why I'm telling you not to do your own thing and test gusty properly rather than ask for support on your own play thing05:13
ikoniayou've just told me you didn't make any changes, when I can see you did05:13
IdleOnewhen doing apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-core 2: I get W: Unable to locate package 2:
ikoniathat is wasting time05:13
ikoniaIdleOne don't you have to speicfy the version you want to keep05:13
ikoniaIdleOne sorry I can't be exact with you with the exact command05:13
kousotuikonia: I'm running it with no crashes, no freezing, and except for the card reader (which I believe to be the modual, not an issue with the core) and frets on fire's alsa errors, it's fine05:14
Picikousotu: Your Mileage May Vary05:14
ikoniakousotu can we PLEASE not have this discsusion again - read the topic gusty is classed as unstable - your not th eperson who decides if its stable, others are having seiorus problems05:14
kousotuPici: lol05:14
IdleOneikonia: I really dont know what it is I am doing with this right now but I appreciate the help05:14
PiciIdleOne: What are you trying to do right now?05:15
PiciI probably missed something.05:15
ikoniaIdleOne basiclly you want to set a policy on that package that says "xserver policy don't update past $X" then the default policy under it is "update everything to latest"05:15
ikoniaso if xorg don't go paste $X else update to current05:15
IdleOnetrying to set policy to keep xserver-xorg-core to version ubuntu205:15
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ikoniaIdleOne get it ?05:15
IdleOneikonia: nope ;/05:15
ikoniaIdleOne thing of it as a rules try05:16
ikoniaIdleOne your default apt rules are update all to latest05:16
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ikoniaIdleOne so you want to insert a rule before that saying "if the package is xorg - don't update it beyond version $X"05:16
ikoniaso the updater says "is this package xorg - yes, I've got a policy I'll keep it here, else I'll use the default policy which updates everything to current05:17
Piciikonia: I think he understands what pinning is, just not how to pin it.05:17
IdleOneok I get that. what I dont get is what is the command I need to issue to set that rule05:18
kousotucan I wrap the XP driver for the reader, and keep ny network up?05:18
ikoniaIdleOne I can help in a few hours when I get access to an ubuntu box05:18
ikoniakousotu ndiswrapper suport ?05:18
ikoniasupport ?05:18
IdleOneikonia:  that would be great05:18
ikoniaIdleOne where ar eyou based ?05:18
ikoniaPalo Alto ?05:19
kousotuikonia: I know how to use it.. but can both be up and running at the same time?05:19
ikoniakousotu what do you mean can both ?05:19
ikoniaIdleOne ahh ok - so if I pop back in here in say 2 hours (not far from leaving ht eoffice for home) I'll walk you through the policy05:19
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ikoniaIdleOne I'm a bit rusty, its not something I do everyday05:20
kousotuikonia: ndiswrapper is wrapped around my AR5007EG driver05:20
IdleOnesure thing meet you back here at 1/1:30 my time05:20
ikoniakousotu so you need to include another driver05:20
ikoniaIdleOne no problem, give me a ping or PM to remind me incase I forget05:20
IdleOneok thanks05:20
kousotuikonia: can I use both on ndis at the same time?05:20
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ikoniakousotu I believe so05:20
IdleOnekousotu: you should realy look into buying hardware that is supports/supported by linux05:21
IdleOnebut anyway I'll be back later05:22
ikoniakousotu after you modprobed the module, did it load the module ?05:22
kousotuikonia: doesn't look like it05:23
ikoniakousotu try insmodding it and see if you get an error05:23
kousotuikonia: my card doesn't show up05:23
ikoniakousotu not what I asked, did it load the module is what I asked05:23
ikoniajust to be clear05:23
kousotukousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ sudo modprobe tifm_7xx105:23
kousotu[sudo]  password for kousotu:05:23
ikoniayou've modprrobed it05:24
ikonianow is the module loaded05:24
iamtimafter an apt-get upgrade, my dual monitors aren't working correctly anymore. instead of two desktops sharing a mouse, there is one big desktop stretched out across the screens, no settings in the "Screens and Graphics" dialog box seem to fix this05:24
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ikoniaiamtim I suspect an xorg update has borked your xorg.conf file05:24
ikonialamalex check it out and see if its changed05:24
kousotukousotu@kousotu-laptop:~$ lsmod | grep ti05:24
kousotumemstick               13828  005:24
kousotucpufreq_conservative     8072  005:24
kousotursrc_nonstatic         14080  1 yenta_socket05:24
kousotupcmcia_core            40980  3 pcmcia,yenta_socket,rsrc_nonstatic05:24
kousotutifm_7xx1               8576  005:24
kousotutifm_core              11268  1 tifm_7xx105:25
ikoniakousotu ok - so try insmodding it to force it and get an error05:25
ikoniaooh, its there05:25
ikoniaso you do have th modules loaded05:25
kousotuok, and?05:25
ikoniakousotu well thats a start05:25
kousotuhaha I kicked hobb out05:25
ikonianow check dmesg and the syslog to see if anything has been updated05:25
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kousotu[  274.712000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  278.704000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  278.708000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:26
kousotu[  312.644000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  318.108000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  318.112000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:26
kousotu[  476.824000]  tifm0 : demand removing card from socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  477.464000]  tifm_core: MemoryStick card detected in socket 0:005:26
kousotu[  477.468000]  tifm_ms: Unknown symbol tifm_has_ms_pif05:26
iamtimikonia, i renamed the xorg.conf and recreated it with nvidia-xconfig, but when i still have the same problem, also when i try to run nvidia-settings, it says i don't appear to be running the NVIDIA X driver even though it's specified in the xorg.conf and lsmod shows that it's loaded05:26
ikoniakousotu use the pastebin05:26
ikoniakousotu that kernel module is not happy05:26
BHSPitMonkeywish ubotu was here.05:27
kousotuso do i05:27
ikoniaunknown symbols means that either its conflicting with another module, or a module it depends on is not being loaded05:27
kousotuikonia: ok, I'll past demsg05:27
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ikoniadon't bother05:27
ikoniakousotu I can see the module is complaining05:27
BHSPitMonkeyuninstall all the modules;  then there will be no errors.05:28
BHSPitMonkeyno errors from the modules themselves, at least.05:28
ikoniaBHSPitMonkey don't bait him05:28
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ikoniakousotu I told you I think I can see the error05:29
kousotuBHSPitMonkey: why don't you just shut up05:29
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kousotuikonia: well then do lay it on me?05:29
ikoniakousotu don't be rude05:29
kousotuikonia: I don't05:29
PiciBoth of you cut it out.05:29
ikoniakousotu the module has a depending module problem, or a module it depends on can't be loaded05:30
kousotucorrect me if I'm wrong, but I give advice not perfect to the way you would, you call it dangerous and tel me to stop giving advice. he says things like "crash EVERYTHING and he an get away with it?05:30
ikoniakousotu I asked him to stop too05:31
Picikousotu: If you have a problem, please bring it up with an op.05:31
kousotuikonia: and has he listened since the last 3?05:31
ikoniakousotu he was just being a bit silly, where as the advice I asked you to stop offering was dangerous, but pici is right05:32
kousotuPici: I don't need an op to deal with one idiot of a person, I can handle it fine myself05:32
ikoniakousotu he's not an idiot - don't be rude05:32
kousotuikonia: only dangerious in thewrong hands05:33
ikoniakousotu no dangerous05:33
kousotuikonia: anyone who runds linux should be familiar with that concept05:33
ikoniakousotu nope05:33
kousotuikonia: hell, anyone who runs windows knows what can happen if you mess up one file05:33
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Picikousotu: Just drop it.  This isnt the place to discuss it.05:34
kousotuPici: didn't H bring this back up?05:34
kousotuikonia: well, how do I go about loading it?05:35
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ikoniakousotu you have to trace the faulty module or depencecy05:36
ikoniasorry I was on the phone05:36
ikoniakousotu the module you want to load has an undefined symbol most commonly that means either a module it has a dependency on to translate that symbol has a problem, or the module it depends on cannot be loaded. Do you understand ?05:38
kousotuikonia: most likely a dependency, but yes, I do05:38
ikoniawhy do you think most likley a dependency ?05:38
ikoniawhat makes you think that, whats your thinking on it05:39
kousotuis loaded but not showing05:39
ikoniakousotu that doesn't meant its a depedency05:39
kousotuwindows did the same to me just yesterday with my stick05:39
ikoniawindows is a different and non-releveant OS to this issue05:40
ikoniamodules work in a different way05:40
kousotuye're right, ther are the drivers and regestry mapping for them05:41
ikoniaexactly, so totally different05:41
kousotusure.. you think that05:41
ikoniayes, I do think that, thats why I said it05:42
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kousotuthe difference is 1 file instea of 205:42
ikoniano its not05:42
ikoniabut I'm not going to argue kernel layout with you05:42
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kousotuikonia: good call05:42
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andrew_bpwin c05:47
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kousotuIdleOne: excuse me cause EVERTHING inbedded on my PC doesn't ork and I don't have the money to get new hw..05:50
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hyljeork ork05:51
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ikoniakousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support or you'll have problems at a very low level05:52
ikoniaits jusan unfortuanate truth at the moment05:52
kousotuikonia: funny, the hl "stuff" is fine, but the ll crap isn't..05:56
ikoniapardon ?05:56
ikoniawhat is high level and low level hardware ?05:57
ikoniawhat is funny ?05:57
kousotuI would consider the other stuff to be hl05:57
ikoniawhats "other stuff" ?05:57
kousotusuch as compiz, 3d acceleratin ext05:57
ikoniathats not hardware ?05:58
kousotuwhen did I say hw?05:58
ikoniamaybe its how you typ05:58
kousotuthe hw runs the res of it you know05:58
ikoniawhat ar eyou talking about ?05:58
ikoniaI said you need good hardware support or you'll have problems at a lowl level interacting with hardware05:59
ikoniathats nothing to do with compiz05:59
kousotu[10:52]  <ikonia> kousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support or you'll have problems at a very low level05:59
kousotu[10:52]  <ikonia> its jusan unfortuanate truth at the moment05:59
ikoniayes, thats right05:59
ikoniathats what I said05:59
kousotulet's try that again...05:59
kousotu"kousotu thats one of the problems with linux in general, you've got to make sure you have good hardware support" <such as the graphics card, sound driver, programs that modify these, fuse etc06:00
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ikoniafuse doesn't modify anything06:00
ikoniafuse is a software layout06:00
kousotutrue, but it can do one bad to an ntfspartion if it crashes06:01
ikoniait can't06:01
ikoniathats the device driver interaction with the software06:01
ikoniathats nothing to do with low level hardware support06:01
kousotucompiz does06:02
ikoniano it doesn't06:02
ikoniacompiz is a software layer X server06:02
ikoniathat interacts with video drivers06:02
ikoniathe video driver is the key there06:02
kousotuwhich interact with the gfx card06:02
ikoniaI'm not going to argue this with you06:02
ikoniaI don't know why you have to argue every point when you clearly don't understand06:02
kousotuyet, here you are, doing so06:02
ikoniaI'm not - end of discussion06:03
kousotuikonia: which you THINK I do't understand06:03
kousotumy reasoning my be different, but my logic elsewise remains the same06:03
ikonialets keep this channel to gusty issues06:03
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kousotuyou have done nothing but argue with me over problems I'm having06:04
kousotuthisis CLEARLY NTO my error06:04
kousotuand I NEED that driver working06:05
ikoniathats not true, I'm sorry to say that you havn't got to grips with the basics yet, and I'm trying to advise you but you know better all the time06:05
ikoniakousotu I understand you need that driver working - how do you suggest you fix it ?06:05
kousotuI would assume as ndiswrap it, but I need my AR5007EG working as well06:05
ikoniakousotu I've explained to you the problem with the driver (potentially) and explained what you need to do to get the information to log the bug correctly, but I suspect it will change again when a kernl update is released06:06
ikoniakousotu ndiswrapper is not th eanswer06:06
ikonianot the answer06:06
ikoniadarn lag06:06
kousotuikonia: it's answer enough for my immedient needs06:06
ikoniathen do it06:06
kousotuand I ask you for a command to issue to report this bug and you give me nothing but ststic06:07
ikoniaI've not given you any static06:07
ikoniaI've explained the sitaution clearly to you and the problems and potential reasons and how to get more information06:07
ikoniawhat part is not clear ?06:07
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ikoniakousotu what part of the error have I not explained clearly?06:09
kousotu[10:05]  <ikonia> or insmod depending on what you want to do06:13
ikoniakousotu yes ? whats th problem with that06:13
kousotu[10:06]  <kousotu> insmod is?06:13
kousotuI read the manual, and didn;t understand it06:14
ikoniakousotu did you man it ?06:14
ikoniayou didn't understand it, it basiclly inserts modules06:14
kousotu[10:25]  <ikonia> kousotu ok - so try insmodding it to force it and get an error06:14
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TehRandomikonia: so, it turns out that my password was wrong with the sudo ... ;)   bad keyboard06:15
ikoniaTehRandom well done06:15
TehRandommy o key quit ;)06:15
ikoniaTehRandom it had to be something like that06:16
kousotuand I KNOW  I asked you for  command to issue06:16
ikoniakousotu please drop the attitude06:16
ikoniaits not "one" command06:16
ikoniaits a series of debugging and tracing through module dependencies06:16
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ikoniaso its a reasonably long process06:16
ikoniaand it helps if you have a basic grasp of the debugging output06:17
ikoniabut if your new to linux, you're not expected to have that06:17
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kousotuikonia: and now you'r starting to get it06:18
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ikoniakousotu starting to get what ?06:18
kousotuI don't know squat about linucx06:18
ikoniakousotu then why do you keep arguing everything with me ?06:18
kousotuI had to ask for an IP check command, lowest of lw commands06:19
ikoniayou ask for help, then argue the help because you know better, then tell me to help you more because you know sauat ?06:19
kousotuI understand the core of the system, but not the commands to utilize it06:19
ikoniakousotu its clear you don't understand06:19
ikoniabut as you say, your very new so not expected to understand06:20
ikonianor do I expect you to understand06:20
ikoniabut then I don't expect you to argue every little thing and pretend you know better06:20
ikoniawhich is what you do06:20
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kousotuI know how an OS works in general06:21
ikoniageneral is not enough06:21
ikoniaLinux works in a very different way to windows06:21
kousotuI have worked with Macs, windows 98-Vista, and an working with linux as well06:21
ikoniaso what ever you know in windows, isn't really going to provide under the hood knowledge of linux06:21
ikoniabut I'll leave it there as I don't want to argue this with you06:22
kousotuikonia: I know quite a bit about windows, enough to scare microsoft lol06:22
ikoniakousotu with respect, I'm not interested in your windows knowledge.06:22
kousotuikonia: I also can out tech support THE "experts"06:22
ikoniawell, it doesn't work in here, you end up looking silly and lacking understanding. I suggest you re-consider that when asking for help in future06:23
ikoniayou've tried to out tech some clever people in here and looked a bit silly06:23
kousotuikonia: no, I tried to help Then the "over-my-head techs" decided to talk06:24
kousotuI waited quite a bit, then jumpped in06:24
ikoniabut you jump in with not good advice/help, which isn't a problem as long as you realise that, but you don't you argue...everything...constantly06:25
ikoniaplease just clam down, and listen and learn from people with experience06:25
ikoniapeople just want to help you06:25
kousotuyou're really starting to piss me off06:26
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ikoniathat language is uncalled for06:26
ikoniathe rules of the channel are clear in that no bad language is allowed06:26
kousotudon;t you start with rules on me06:26
ikoniathey are the rules06:26
kousotuI'm well aware what I can and can't say06:26
ikoniathen please don't use bad language06:27
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kousotuthe stop being a prick06:27
ikoniaagain bad lagnauge06:27
PiciListen up.  One, or both of you just ake a few minutes away from the computer.06:27
kousotuikonia: but clearly accurate06:27
kousotuPici: I'm trying to get work don06:28
ikoniayour welcome to you opinion, I'll not argue that with you06:28
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naliothlet us be civil06:28
kousotumay not be "important work" but it's work none-the-less06:29
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kousotuand being told"buy new hardware" is NOT an answer I will live with06:31
ikoniakousotu no-one told you to buy new hardware06:31
ikoniaIdleOne advised you to try to buy hardware that is supported in future - it makes things easy06:31
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kousotuikonia: bull.[10:21]  <IdleOne> kousotu: you should realy look into buying hardware that is supports/supported by linux06:31
ikoniayes thats right06:31
kousotuI bouthgt a laptop, everything is inbedded06:32
ikoniayes, you can't change that06:32
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kousotuI can't manipulae but RAM and harddrives06:32
ikoniabut for future purchases, supported hardware is a better option if possible06:32
ikoniawhich is stating the obvious06:32
kousotuad I don't have th money to run out and buy a card reader06:32
ikoniano-one said "go out and buy one"06:33
ikoniabut the truth is your card is very baldy support so will / can be problematic to get working06:33
ikoniahence why I said somethings you just have to accept won't work if they are not supported or known to be a problem06:33
kousotuas is 90% of the hardware on this laptop06:33
ikoniaits a sad truth, but some hardware just isn't support06:33
kousoturight, but ndiswrapper fixes that issue in most respects06:34
ikonianot really and in terms of the card hardware in question, probably won't06:34
ikoniabut as I said to you earlier, your welcome to try06:34
kousotuand I ask if I can use ndis with 2 items at once and get "that's not a solution"06:34
osmosishow come a search for gutsy  on launchpad returns nothing ?06:34
osmosisi can never find anything on launchpad.06:34
ikoniakousotu thas not what I said, I said I believe you can do so, but thats not the solution, more so after I took the time to explain the problem06:35
ikoniathats a work around06:35
kousotuosmosis: you have to be more specific in your search06:35
PriceChildosmosis, what are you really looking for?06:35
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osmosisi commented on a bug a few days ago that I want to find. Can't find it. Not listed under...my commented bugs. So i figured..it was a gutsty bug..maybe I can find gutsy specific info.06:35
PriceChildosmosis, what's your launchpad id?06:36
PriceChildand didn't you get an email about it?06:36
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kousotu[11:34]  <kousotu> and I ask if I can use ndis with 2 items at once and get "that's not a solution"06:42
kousotu(01:56:24 PM) The nameless one: lol06:43
kousotu(01:56:27 PM) Tracy^: i can tell you the shorter version of it06:43
kousotu(01:56:29 PM) The nameless one: I'l*06:43
kousotu(01:56:34 PM) Tracy^: the one my parents and relatives uses06:43
kousotu(01:56:35 PM) Tracy^: =p06:43
kousotu(01:56:38 PM) Tracy^: but not the full name06:43
kousotu(01:56:39 PM) Tracy^: hahahaha06:43
kousotu(01:56:44 PM) The nameless one: lol06:43
kousotu(01:56:55 PM) The nameless one: well, honestly, I'll never remeber it lol06:43
kousotuI didn;t even copy that06:43
kousotu[11:35]  <ikonia> kousotu thas not what I said, I said I believe you can do so, but thats not the solution, more so after I took the time to explain the problem06:43
kousotu[11:06]  <ikonia> kousotu ndiswrapper is not th eanswer06:44
kousotu[11:06]  <ikonia> not the answer06:44
kousotu[11:06]  <ikonia> darn lag06:44
kousotu[11:06]  <kousotu> ikonia: it's answer enough for my immedient needs06:44
ikoniayes ?06:44
kousotuikonia: I didn't maen to past the but on msn06:44
kousotuthat hasn't beed on copy for about 3 hours and 4 copies06:44
roebig OOo update today eh?06:46
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roedoes that mean we are no longer running the "developers snapshot"?06:47
kousotuI got the update last night at 2am06:48
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fenrigi can't acces the internet on gutsy using adsl06:49
PriceChildntfs-3g just got installed.... how rare...06:51
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kousotuPriceChild: huh?06:55
kousotu*blank stare*06:56
DavieyHmm.. how do you use google to search for a term you don't understnad?06:56
kousotuDaviey: such as?06:57
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roeDaviey, define: <term>07:00
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nemikdoes the negative plugin in compiz not work for others?07:15
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troughtonjust started the latest updates on  gutsy and it has frozen on me can anyone help ?09:08
roekill it? and restart it?09:13
roenot much choice if it crashed09:14
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jordan_Hello, I have gusty tribe 5 on my laptop and when I installed it fresh, the wifi worked great (rt73) but with the last update it works for about a minute then disconnects, and i'm forced to reboot in order to restore wifi (restarting networking does not work).  Any ideas?09:24
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nosrednaekimjordan_: how about a nice little "sudo dhclient <netowrk device>"?09:37
jordan_no dice nosrednaekim09:38
nosrednaekimbug time !09:39
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jordan_what the heck no i cant open the terminal?09:40
nosrednaekimwhat did you do?09:40
jordan_It just says starting terminal and doesnt do anything09:40
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jordan_I hadnt done anythig it was a fresh boot09:41
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sayersThis new update package called libpam0g seems to be evil09:41
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jordan_hmm when i go to like tty5 its just tons of repeating messages saying "unregister_netdevice: waiting for wlan0 to become free.  Usage count = 0" over and over09:43
nosrednaekimjordan_: ).o09:44
jordan_strange eh?09:44
jordan_ahhahaha norris09:44
nosrednaekimoh great... thats a bad networkproblem..09:46
nuck_chorrisyeah? im not that tech savvy09:47
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nuck_chorrismore of a hardware dude09:47
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nuck_chorriswhere is a log for network related activity09:56
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nuck_chorrisupdate , nosrednaekim , may have been pidgin screwing me up10:01
nosrednaekimnuck_chorris:  you jordan?10:01
nuck_chorrisrebooted, and im just pinging my server.. have been for 150 seconds now, seems stable10:02
nuck_chorrisonly seems to disconnect if i open pidgin10:03
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antibody_hi all I only have an issue with gusty now. the xgl nvidia thing. When I to glxinfo it says:" Direct rendering: No" however glxgear gives the same output. Compiz(fusion) makes all the screen white but I have cube and cube background. And I can't play cedega games . So I have to disable xserver-xgl..are these issues solvable by any configuration I might do?tnx10:05
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nuck_chorrisnosrednaekim yes I can confirm pidgin is breaking my wireless10:07
jussi01antibody_: doesnt nvidia use aiglx now?10:09
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nemikdoes negative on compiz-fusion work for anyone? i just get black screens10:13
nuck_chorrisGuess you cant use pigdin with an RT73 wireless driver in gusty10:15
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osmosisi downloaded a daily yesterday, but the installer on the livecd wouldnt boot.10:33
nuck_chorrisosmosis, do you mean the CD would not boot or the installer would not open?10:34
osmosisnuck_chorris: installer would not open10:36
osmosiscd boots up...double click installer...nothing happens10:36
nuck_chorrisany logs?10:36
nuck_chorriswill any apps open?10:36
osmosisnuck_chorris: uhh..its on my laptop. hold on ill check.10:36
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osmosisnuck_chorris: well...big dealay at  bootup...unionfs   whats that ?10:43
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osmosisa modprobe stack trace10:44
TeremdHi, i cannot install an MDADM raid mirroro setup with gutsy 5 alternate iso10:44
osmosisthis is on a dell laptop 1420...one of the ones that is a ubuntu pre-install.10:44
jussi01!raid | Teremd10:45
ubotuTeremd: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO10:45
osmosisunionfs [fail] 10:45
nuck_chorrisosmosis is your cdrom working 100%10:45
TeremdI'm not looking for dmraid but for mdadm10:45
nuck_chorrisscratched CD?10:45
osmosisnuck_chorris: yah its fine...and its identical at each boot.10:46
nuck_chorrisbut you can get to gnome correct10:46
osmosisdoesnt look anything like a scratch cd.  unionfs has some big fail at bootup.  hold on...i can probably get some pastes going in a second...because it eventually does bootup and I can connect to the web.10:46
osmosisill paste a dmesg10:46
osmosiswhy is evolution still a default icon. evolution sucks.10:47
nuck_chorrisno kidding10:48
osmosisits not even compatible with the latest exchange.10:48
nuck_chorrisosmosis: why not just burn a more stable gusty like tribe 5 and upgrade to the daily10:48
osmosisnuck_chorris: sure, i could, but for testing sake.10:50
nuck_chorrisall right then :)10:50
osmosishttp://dpaste.com/19270   dmesg10:50
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osmosisAbout line 488 is where the troubles seem to start.10:51
osmosisor 561 maybe10:51
nuck_chorrisquite odd, and im not familiar with that10:54
nuck_chorrissearch bugs?10:55
osmosisif i try and run it from the command line, it says   Ubiquity is already running!10:55
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kousotucan someonehelp with this issue: http://pastebin.com/d78bf209411:06
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osmosiskousotu: your trying to get sound working ?11:07
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kousotuosmosis: of FoF yes11:07
osmosisFoF ?11:07
kousotumy cound is fine elsewhere11:07
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kousotuFrets on Fire11:07
osmosiswhat is that ?11:08
kousotua game11:08
osmosisis this gutsy specific ?11:08
osmosiswhy are you here then ?11:08
kousotubut it's on gutsy from start11:08
kousotuI'm running Gutsy11:08
osmosisbut this is not gutsy specific.11:09
osmosiswell i use vim, but im not going to ask about FoF in #vim11:09
kousotuit's not an alsa issue either11:09
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AeroSticki just downloaded GUTSY GIBBON livecd, the livecd started well, the desktop was okay, the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?11:10
AeroStickanybody awake here?11:11
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AeroStickanybody awake here?11:11
lessthanjakeSomeone here running Gutsy on an Dell D630? I have a problem with the fan spinning way to often!!11:12
kousotu(couldn't think of a smart remark)11:12
AeroSticki just downloaded GUTSY GIBBON livecd, the livecd started well, the desktop was okay, the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?11:12
kousotuAeroStick: specs?11:12
kousotulessthanjake: how is that aproblem?11:13
AeroStickamd athlon 2500 (overclocked to 3200), ati radeon 9550 (oc 9600xt), 1.5gb ram11:13
kousotulessthanjake: mine is CONSTABTLY running11:13
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kousotuAeroStick: you need the alternate cds11:13
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AeroStickwhere can i find it?11:14
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ikoniawhy does he need the alternative cd ?11:14
kousotusame place you foung the other cd11:14
lessthanjakeIt should not! The PC is getting very good review regarding noise level! Bought it without Windows, so I can not confirm that myselves.11:14
AeroStickkousotu... (by the way this confused me, it's was impossible to get the desktop effects working on my pc in feisty, but tat live cd could do that, and unbelievebly it was all too much better going than feisty, but just the install icon did not start to work...11:15
kousotulessthanjake: mine isn't "noisey", but I can hear it11:15
AeroStickkousotu, i also tried to check the defects of the cd in startup, but it did not work, maybe a bug, or what?11:16
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto11:16
kousotuwait. that my notbe helpful11:16
AeroStickkousotu, do you see me...:\11:16
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about alterate - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi11:16
lessthanjakeHere is one experiensing the same, he also is running Windows and says it is worse on Ubuntu: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=3147001&postcount=111:16
ikoniawhy are you tyring to install ati drivers on a live cd11:16
ikoniayou just want to install11:16
ikoniayou don't need desktop effects or ati drivers to install11:17
kousotuikonia: honestly...11:17
ikoniaif you have the desktop up - your current ati drivers are running11:17
AeroStickwho is trying for that? me, ikonia? no, i'm not11:17
kousotu"the "install" icon were there but when i double click on it; there happened NOTHING. Anybody have any idea why it was so?"11:17
ikoniayes, I read that11:17
kousotuhad the same issueon another ATI pc11:17
AeroStickthat's my situation..:)11:17
ikoniaso why are you saying install the ati drivers ?11:17
kousotujust use the alternate cd11:18
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SeveredCrossAnyone know why 100 dpi is the default in Gutsy?11:18
kousotuikonia: I was looking for the factiod about the alternate cd11:18
lessthanjakeLaunch the installer from the command line, and se for error messages.11:18
SeveredCrossAnd changing it makes Firefox hard as all hell to read?11:18
kousotuif there is one..11:18
AeroSticki just wanted to say that it's all okay, even better than this (feisty) but the install icon never started, it's the all problem11:18
kousotuAeroStick: then you will need the other cd11:19
AeroStickso kousotu, you said that i need another installer, right?11:19
kousotuAeroStick: it's tht simple11:19
kousotuAeroStick: yes11:19
ikoniasorry I was on the phone11:19
AeroStickyes, but which one and where, kousotu11:19
kousotuyou're 564 but, right?11:19
AeroStick(seems i'l download another 700mb again..:( )11:19
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AeroStickwhat is 564, kousotu?11:20
AeroStickno, 32bit11:20
AeroStickamd athlon 250011:20
kousotuamd at 32 bit *shocked*11:20
AeroStickkousotu? why you're shocked? is it look that old..:D11:21
kousotuAeroStick: you have a torrent clinet?11:21
kousotuAeroStick: most AMDs are 64 bit11:21
AeroStickyes i have an azureus, i used it to download the live cd11:21
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AeroStickno, there were times when amd is about to be better then intel, those times there were 32 bit processors, one of them is in my computer..:)11:22
AeroStickand i just learned today that u can use an 2500 32 bit amd as an 3200mhz without a stronger fan, happily...:):D11:23
kousotuthat's one alt link11:23
kousotubut notthetorent, my bad11:23
kousotuthere w go :)11:23
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SeveredCrossNobody knows about the 100 dpi stuff?11:24
ikoniaAeroStick just for future reference testing a dev release on an overclocked system can provide "strange" errors, if your reporting a bug make sure you mention that11:24
AeroStickkousotu; i'm just curious about it; why it did not work, do you have any idea that you could tell me?11:24
kousotuati card11:24
kousotuthey're fussy11:24
kousotumy gram has a rage11:24
kousotuit didn't want to load the livecd11:25
kousotumuch less let me useandthing on it11:25
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AeroStickkousotu; this link is not an torrent link...:(11:26
AeroStickmay i have an torrent link..?11:26
PiciSeveredCross: I believe there was a bug filed about it11:27
SeveredCrossI just noticed it yesterday, but turning everything down to 72dpi makes my eyes hurt like hell.11:27
PiciThen turn it up11:28
moreatiI just want to rule Gutsy out here: I've a new laptop running Tribe 5, doing a large download with gnome-app-install caused other tcp/ip connections and DNS queries to time out. It could be my flaky ISP and it could be some quirk of the new hardware. Has anyone seen Gutsy starve other connections whilst doing a large download?11:29
kousotu[16:23]  <kousotu> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/gutsy-alternate-i386.iso.torrent11:29
kousotuAeroStick: I goffed with the link the first time11:30
AeroStickkousotu: ok, i'm already trying to install a download manager..:)11:31
kousotuthat's the torrent that time, I can't see the link too well, (bad font/size)11:32
AeroStickkosuto: i just want to say it again, to make sure: there was nothing wrong; effects, desktop changing, firefox, even the gparted could work in that cd from ubuntu desktop loaded from gutsy gibbon, just the installer did not start, even i tried to do it in system>administration>install panel...11:33
ikoniaIf your in london I'd be happy to get a round of drinks in11:33
AeroStickkousotu: (sorry for misspelling) are you sure that i have to download the whole alternative cd, is it certain?11:33
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kousotuAeroStick: it's the easy route11:34
AeroStickikonia, i'd like to have a whiskey shot, or a big cup of beer..:)11:34
AeroStickkousotu: easy route?11:34
kousotuAeroStick: tribe 3 was being whiney on my laptop, I hade to restart the Live cdabout 10 times befor I could get ti to installl11:34
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AeroStickkousotu: the livecd i downloaded today is not tribe-3, it's tribe-511:35
kousotuAeroStick: makeing a comparison11:35
AeroStickalrite: is there any way to open that installer from terminal?11:36
AeroStickkousotu: do you know the commands?11:36
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kousotuAeroStick: tribe 4 and 5 were happy with my hardware, tribe 3 was not11:36
kousotuAeroStick: not a clue11:36
kousotuAeroStick: although...11:36
kousoturightclick and get the properties of it11:37
AeroStickok, so, can i install the cd from in feisty (the partition is empty and ready)11:37
xtknightanybody: type "gksu nautilus" in the console. do you get weird output like O_PASSSSSs.../usr/bin/esd ?11:38
AeroStickyes, i do..:) , xtknight11:38
xtknightalmost looks like a buffer overflow test, weird11:38
kousotuhey xtknight11:38
Picixtknight: I dont if I use gksudo, which is the proper way.11:39
xtknighti thought gksu was just a symlnk to gksudo11:39
AeroSticki need to say that, i don't want to replace it with feisy yet, just want to do the installation onto another partition11:39
xtknightgksudo is link to gksu actually.  but it doesnt give me the same output11:40
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PiciAh, so it is.11:41
xtknighthow does one  do something different?  never had this when i used gksu in Feisty11:41
xtknightactually as a matter of fact it's not which one you use.  it just happens off and on11:42
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kousotuxtknight: can you help me out with a fewprobs?11:42
xtknightAeroStick, thx for testing i reported it as Bug 13898811:47
UbotuLaunchpad bug 138988 in gksu "gksu gives weird output" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13898811:47
AeroStickThank you all guys, i'm sorry for bothering questions, but i'm a fresh user and i want to learn, and i want to help about developing..:)11:47
AeroStickthank yoursel xtknight..:)11:47
AeroSticknow i gotta go, or my baby's gonna think that i like computers more than her..;)11:48
AeroStickhey, there's one thing... i just checked the report, there's something wrong: this pc is not an 64bit amd11:50
AeroStickxtknight, probably you should edit it11:50
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fooikonia: yo11:51
ikoniakousotu whats the problem - ie: what are the symptoms, why have you run a strace11:51
AeroStickxtknight, here's my pc configuration: amd 2500+ 32 bit single processor, ati radeon 9550 256mb ram11:51
AeroStickplease don't forget to edit it, goognite11:51
AeroStickgood nite..:D11:51
ikoniakousotu is sound working on your PC at all ?11:51
fooikonia: Did you want me to ask in here? Or did you just want to talk in herE?11:52
kousotuikonia: I'm listening to music right now11:52
ikoniafoo sorry I typo'd11:52
ikoniafoo in #ubuntu I mwant11:52
fooikonia: ahhh :)11:52
ikoniakousotu it can't see your sound card through alsa the question is why11:53
ikonialooks like it wants a pcm device that isn't confiugred or seen11:53
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ikoniakousotu have you tryed launching it from a shell ?11:54
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kousotu[16:54]  <ikonia> kousotu have you tryed launching it from a shell ?  <yes12:00
ikoniaany output from the shell ?12:00
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kousotutyping fretsonfire?12:01
ikoniaif thats the name of the binary12:01
kousotuikonia: http://pastebin.com/d5b72325012:02
kousotuikonia: it is12:04
ikoniait can't see your sound card at all12:05
ikoniaI've never used frets on fire so I don't know what it depends on in terms of sound card12:05
ikoniait looks like alsa can't get the device extension it wants though12:06
kousotuikonia: this worked finein tribe 412:06
kousotuti's a regresion issus12:06
ikoniakousotu its a development distro, a total moving target, things will break12:07
kousotuikonia: well, yes, I know12:07
kousotuthat's why I still have my windows one lol12:07
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Picikousotu: file a bug then.12:13
PiciState its regression and that it worked on Tribe n12:13
kousotuPici: and how should I go about doig that?12:13
ikoniakousotu create a launchpad id and login in, file a bug under gusty with all the correct information12:14
UbotuIf you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots12:15
Picihttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fretsonfire/ <-12:15
moreati kousotu: more info on filing a bug here https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs12:17
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kousotugood enough?12:31
UbotuLaunchpad bug 139000 in fretsonfire "Firefox doesn't find alsa, works EVERYwhere else" [Undecided,New] 12:31
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masqueradeI just had a complete freakout here when trying to do an upgrade12:36
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mmlinuxwhere does wine put programs by default in ubuntu?01:05
d4rknorrismmlinux I believe its like... ~/.wine/drive_c/Program\ Files01:06
d4rknorriserr... I kinda escaped the space there... BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER!01:06
mmlinuxI dont know where /.wine is?01:06
mmlinuxhow do i get a gui for wine01:07
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kibamy linux system is broke01:07
mmlinuxthis command line stuff is annoying i remember wine having a gui in PCLinux?01:07
mmlinuxdoes ubuntu have that01:07
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DanaGOdd: I enabled shared folders, but my WIndows system can't even browse the workgroup.01:09
d4rknorrisI don't think he saw the ~/.wine ...01:09
DanaGMy Linux system can see the Windows system, though.01:09
DanaGI guess I'll have to push stuff from the Linux one into an RW share on the Windows one.01:10
kibawhy Amarok stop working?01:10
kibait doesn't start up01:10
kibaand also the upgrade is broken..it doesn't start up kdm right01:11
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voltronwhat is the compiz setting called that will disable the default effect that slides windows around and under a newly raised window?01:15
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Picivoltron: I think its in the animation settings01:15
voltronPici: which plugin?01:16
voltronis it "Glide 2"?01:16
Picivoltron: animation, the focus tab01:16
Picivoltron: its called dodge01:16
voltrondodge! ok thanks01:16

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