=== MTecknology [n=MTecknol@host-82-211-220-24.midco.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:19] 32 bit or 64 bit? [01:19] 32 bit for me! [01:19] d4rkmonkey, 32. maybe i should roobt [01:19] I dunno? === derekS [n=dereks@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:20] XD I love the exit command in the default terminal, you can put anything after it. [01:21] lol d4rkmonkey [01:22] BTW, the flash instlaler in Firefox that was working, at least for me, in Feisty, is broken in Gutsy. [01:22] arg.. I really gotta finish this homework [01:24] I installed Gutsy a few days ago. It worked great actually. I noticed that lspci revealed my PRO/Wireless 3945 wireless card, however there was no entry for my wireless in the network manager. I also couldn't figure out how to manually get it working b/c it's always just worked. [01:25] I just wanted to mention it because I know of a lot of people that use ubuntu with this same hardware. [01:25] MTecknology at the beginning, mine didn't work because of a messed up sources.list file, or whatever it is.. [01:25] !sources [01:25] The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource === scottywz-iPhone [n=root@32.162.121.98] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:25] erm.. [01:25] what did you have to do [01:25] MTecknology gah, I don't have the link, but theres a site which allows you to generate a new sources.list file, and you can always try that. [01:25] !easysource [01:25] source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic [01:25] thats it :D [01:26] generate a gutsy one, replace yours, then try runnign sudo apt-get update then sudo apt-get upgrade === \x6e\x65\x72\x64 [n=gaucho@201-66-202-145.smace700.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:26] i always use that :) [01:26] but that didn't fix it [01:27] MTecknology: does dmesg report the interface being created? [01:27] heck, I don't even do an upgrade till i build my sources.list file :P [01:27] IntuitiveNipple, I couldn't tell you. I'm back to 7.04 right now. I do have space for another partition when I give 7.10 a go again [01:28] I've not had problems with 32- or 64-bit Gutsy Tribe-5 and PRO/3945 [01:28] this is a gateway m285-e tablet pc [01:28] The only issues were related to using ipw3945 and open networks, but that was fixed last weekend [01:28] there's a sh** load of problems with it [01:28] lol [01:29] i was trying it on friday and saturday [01:29] then maybe my issue was fixewd [01:29] those issues wouldn't stop the ipw3945 being found, just connections to open WAPs failed when WEP and WPA worked [01:29] NetworkManager always found the interface [01:30] hrm... [01:31] Best thing to do is boot the LiveCD and the save the contents of /var/log/ to a USB stick or another file-system on the hard drive, then go bakc to Feisty and examine the logs === RxDx [n=Rodrigo@201-74-138-43-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF3A1C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:31] Hi bullgard4 how's your ACPI stuff going? [01:31] alrighty- I made note of that so when I try it again I'll be able to ask ya about it [01:32] MTecknology: best thing is to search https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/ [01:32] k === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@pool-71-182-234-247.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [01:33] IntuitiveNipple: I think I have just obtained a major breakthrough: For the first time my laptop resumed from suspend-to-ram. But I need to confirm it. [01:34] bullgard4: Is that with the latest Gutsy? There have been some improvements over the last few days, solved a number of outstanding issues [01:34] I'm running 64-bit Tribe-5 + updates from today and I've got no outstanding issues [01:34] IntuitiveNipple: No, ubuntu 7.04 using a 2.6.20-16-gneric kernel. [01:35] bullgard4: Ahhh, so time to upgrade :p === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:36] IntuitiveNipple: well, just a minute. First I will have to confirm that this resume is really genuine. -- I will make now another test and will be (hopefully) back here in 10 minutes. [01:37] :) [01:37] good luck === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === tapH20guru [n=tapH20gu@63.133.148.226] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TerraMaster [n=haaf@d66-183-224-132.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:42] gutsy install worked ok using safe graphics mode... locks up when starting X after install [01:42] When I go to say sudo python {file} install it says Running build Runing Install and running build_py then it says package directoy src does not exist... any help? === buttercups [n=me@adsl-70-224-40-235.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _sidd [n=_sidd@oobleck.cs.utah.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:44] tapH20guru err, fix things, then try starting X? [01:44] what is x? [01:45] !X [01:45] The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto [01:45] ?dm restart doesnt work, do gdm restart or kdm restart for ubuntu and kubuntu respectively === level1 [n=level1@adsl-67-36-177-239.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:45] dont even know why it's in the factoid tbh [01:45] ?dm should work [01:46] yea [01:46] it does [01:46] i tried it on Feisty and it didn't seem to. weird [01:46] Could anyone help me? [01:46] but ya it's working fine at least here on gutsy now [01:46] $ sudo /etc/init.d/?dm [01:46] * Usage: /etc/init.d/gdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload} [01:46] d4rknorris: no - hard lock with X [01:47] no Alt+F1 love :( [01:47] tapH20guru uhh, boot into recovery mode. [01:47] no video signal at all [01:47] alt printscreen love [01:47] lol [01:47] tapH20guru hit escape when grub is loading, choose recovery mode? [01:47] alt print screen K fixes stuff (esp. hard lock of X ) :p it won't fix it but it will help you debug it === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:48] will do.. just wondering what Sage Graphics Mode does different [01:48] xtknight: ahh very cool will try [01:48] safe uses a VESA driver [01:48] it's a standard that should work with all (most?) video cards [01:48] but it's 2d only [01:48] got ya [01:48] and slow [01:50] tapH20guru: When X locks, you can often recover to the console using Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+K [01:50] if a driver's crashing, alt prt scr wont do anything. at least nothing you can see, because when your video driver is gone your screen wont be showing that console. that's what happened to me a few times, others sysrq fixed it. if sysrq fixes it, it's not a driver problem but a software issue (i believe) === chris__ [n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard5 [n=detlef@p54BF0F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:53] intuitiveNipple: sweet... will try it out [01:54] nice nick === scottywz-iPhone [n=root@32.135.255.47] has joined #ubuntu+1 === klaxian [n=rgabriel@cpe-72-224-111-124.nycap.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:59] anyone notice problems with network manager after an update today? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:01] klaxian no? [02:01] i can't seem to connect to my wireless network anymore, but it's working via ethernet cable === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:04] klaxian: What does the log show? [02:05] ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): eth1: link is not ready [02:06] dhcdbd: message_handler: message handler not found under /com/redhat/dhcp/eth0 for sub-path eth0.dbus.get.nis_servers [02:06] doesn't look too helpful [02:06] IntuitiveNipple: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works here now as far as I have tested it. But Irssi has given me now the nick 'bullgard5'. I need to find out why. [02:07] Sep 10 20:02:41 localhost NetworkManager: [1189468961.805227] nm_device_802_11_wireless_get_activation_ap(): Forcing AP 'rag' [02:07] bullgard5: because your bullgard4 was still in-use when you returned [02:08] IntuitiveNipple: it appears like it's trying to connect, but it keeps asking for my password [02:08] IntuitiveNipple: But I did not use it. I only told my computer to suspend to RAM. [02:08] bullgard5: most IRC clients use an alternate nickname if the primary is in use [02:08] But it wa not "in use". [02:08] was [02:09] everything was working fine until some network manager updates today [02:09] bullgard5: 00:52 bullgard5 (n=detlef@p54BF0F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:09] 00:55 bullgard4 has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) [02:10] bullgard5: You have to /quit to release the nickname, not just drop off [02:10] (or close your IRC client down properly) [02:11] IntuitiveNipple: Yes. I will keep your words in mind but go now to bed. I am happy about this major breakthroug: Resume from Suspend-to-RAM works now using sudo s2ram -f -a 1. [02:12] :) === klaxian [n=rgabriel@cpe-72-224-111-124.nycap.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF0F69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === TerraMaster [n=haaf@d66-183-224-132.bchsia.telus.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eleaf [n=ethan@69.39.24.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:25] is the newest gutsy release tribe6? [02:26] or 5? [02:28] hey, anybody here? [02:32] tribe6 was just a milestone [02:32] not an official "release" [02:32] oh okay. === benanzo [n=ben@234-64-212-66.spl.org] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:32] Would you recommend upgrading? I just got a new harddrive and want to reinstall my system (currently running Feisty), hydrogen [02:33] I normally run bleeding edge ubuntu, is it too early or relatively stable? [02:33] I'd keep it at feisty [02:33] its relativly stable [02:33] but feistys fine [02:33] hmm === level1 [n=level1@adsl-67-36-189-79.dsl.chcgil.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:35] Gutsy hasn't suffered any major bugs since ~tribe 3. We're likely not going to see anything pop up that kills X or prevents you from booting, but that's not to say that we don't have the occasional desktop bug. [02:35] I'm kinda liking the look of the graphical x-conf tool and printing and such [02:36] Eleaf: display-config-gtk routinely hard resets my system when I test the settings. [02:36] aha [02:36] Eleaf: but it's known and being worked on [02:36] Eleaf: Since Tribe-5 I've been running 64-bit as my production platform [02:37] Eleaf: most of the code in it is geared toward xorg 7.3, which hasn't shown up yet. So I can't blame them. [02:37] I see.. [02:37] I may want to try it.. [02:37] Where is the newest iso? [02:38] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ === benanzo [n=ben@234-64-212-66.spl.org] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [02:39] IntuitiveNipple, daily build seems safe? [02:39] Eleaf: They generally contain what the updates push out [02:39] hmm, yours is running okay today? lol === osmosis [n=steven@cpe-76-80-127-252.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:41] why does my /etc/motd get overwritten all the time to the default? [02:41] I do kernel development (Eclipse), Google Earth, bluetooth devices, encrypted file-systems, and other push-the-envelope stuff and not having much in the way of problems [02:42] flash-nonfree 9 works in Firefox (with npwrapper), can't think of any real problems now. [02:43] plenty of niggles === Agrajag` [n=Agrajag@pool-71-182-234-247.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [02:44] IntuitiveNipple, why do you need 'npwrapper'? oh, 64 bit.. [02:44] how does that work under 64? [02:44] nicely [02:44] cool, is pulseaudio the default sound system? [02:44] that's why I use in feisty [02:45] IntuitiveNipple: Wait, you run Eclipse on Gutsy? [02:45] and was using compiz fusion, but then it got weird with some drivers. [02:45] Doesn't it suffer from that GTK+ toolbar crasher? === nickrud [n=nickrud_@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/nickrud] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:46] when you remember to apply the fix for the broken package-script at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/131128/comments/4 [02:46] Launchpad bug 131128 in flashplugin-nonfree "flashplugin-nonfree does not install properly" [Medium,Confirmed] [02:47] bronson: Yes, 3.3 with Java 1.6 and MyEclipse 3 [02:47] You didn't need to recompile GTK+? [02:47] nope [02:47] Huh, I thought it affected all SWT. Interesting. [02:47] bronson: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544032 [02:53] IntuitiveNipple: https://bugs.launchpad.net/gtk/+bug/128232 [02:53] Launchpad bug 128232 in eclipse "Eclipse SEGFAULTs in libgtk-x11: gtk_tooltips_set_tip()" [Undecided,Confirmed] [02:54] (took a while to find it again) === tehk [n=tehk@c-68-44-165-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === scottywz-iPhone [n=root@32.131.238.35] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:55] I monitored that - but my installation (Eclipse Europa 3.3) doesn't have the problem. I think that's with the Ubuntu repo's 3.2 [02:56] Guess I'll quit waiting to take my desktop machine to Gutsy then. [02:57] It's not difficult installing 3.3 from Eclipse, after all, its all java :) [02:57] The performance improvement on 64-bit is impressive, too === scottywz-iPhone [n=root@32.131.238.35] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] That's the only way I run Eclipse... I had endless problems with plugins when using the Feisty package. [02:58] 3.3 + CDT + Aptana is pretty darned nice. [02:58] + Subclipse + QuantumDB + ... er... a few others. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:02] CDT does well with kernel-development; handles the large trees really well [03:02] I often have three kernel-version projects open at the same time [03:03] Really?? Wow, that's better than me. [03:04] Presumably the kernel codebase is more, ah, predictable than my company's codebase. :) [03:04] lol [03:04] should I use a tribe release, or just use a daily ? [03:05] dailies have the updates rolled into them, so it saves downloading [03:05] no tribe 6 ? [03:05] IntuitiveNipple: where do I get it from ? [03:06] http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ === scottywz-iPhone_ [n=root@ppp-70-245-197-58.dsl.wacotx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === valles [n=valles@200.71.131.18] has joined #ubuntu+1 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eleaf [n=ethan@69.39.24.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-5f9375bdeb89ce85] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MTecknology [n=MTecknol@host-82-211-220-24.midco.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has joined #ubuntu+1 === szf [n=sean@c-24-60-10-245.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=Dana@71-9-52-25.static.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:41] Hmm, I got my laptop back, but I won't have access to my existing Gutsy install. [03:41] Is it worth doing a fresh install, and then matching packages and such? [03:42] Or should I just wait and duplicate back my backup? === chris_ [n=chris@wificlient-54-60.publicwireless.ualberta.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jordan_ [n=jordan@71.194.147.166] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:51] Good evening, I installed gusty tribe 5 on my laptop, and wireless (rt73 chipset) worked great, then I updated. Now wireless wont work! Any ideas? === Eleaf [n=ethan@69.39.24.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === d4rkmonkey [n=Jared@CPE000bcd15b4ae-CM00195efba7ac.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Eleaf [n=ethan@69.39.24.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === larson999 [n=larson@74-129-100-183.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-151-120.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 === NastyAccident [n=NastyAcc@unaffiliated/nastyaccident] has joined #ubuntu+1 === chris_ [n=chris@wificlient-54-60.publicwireless.ualberta.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 === terlmann [n=terlmann@207.254.168.168] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === soothsayer [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242357234.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:40] I boot off the installer cd, and the installer icon doesnt even launch anything. === ionstorm [n=ion@71-36-164-32.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buttercups [n=me@adsl-70-224-40-235.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === soothsayer [n=user@bas16-montreal02-1242357234.dsl.bell.ca] has left #ubuntu+1 ["ERC] === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:54] is it possible to get the messages that scroll buy during boot? after the kernel takes over before the login? dmesg is not showing the hardware errors I see. thanks. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mttr [n=main@brndmb02dc1-193-232.dynamic.mts.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === scottywz-iPhone [n=scottywz@ppp-70-245-197-58.dsl.wacotx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === scottywz-iPhone [n=scottywz@ppp-70-245-197-58.dsl.wacotx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === scottywz-iPhone [n=scottywz@ppp-70-245-197-58.dsl.wacotx.swbell.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buttercups [n=me@adsl-70-224-40-235.dsl.sbndin.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=ben@76.164.46.73] has joined #ubuntu+1 === benanzo [n=ben@76.164.46.73] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hwilde [n=hwilde@pool-68-162-160-65.pitt.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1F6C0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buttercups [n=me@c-68-54-116-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === LeeJunFan [n=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["http://www.americanfreedoms.org"] === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === billytwowilly [n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === allbert [n=allberto@60.53.34.5] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-151-120.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === blued [n=blued@c-66-56-72-153.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thumper [n=tim@canonical/launchpad/thumper] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:50] how do I enable compiz on kubuntu+1? === kousotu [n=kousotu@adsl-68-79-19-172.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [06:58] Where might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader? === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buttercups [n=me@c-68-54-116-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Telep [n=telep@a81-197-164-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@64.140.73.93] has joined #ubuntu+1 === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:19] Where might I go to find drivers for a Memory stick/card reader? My internal isn't working and I want to know why === os2mac [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AmyRose [n=djb@unaffiliated/amyrose] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crdlb [n=crdlb@unaffiliated/crdlb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bullgard4 [n=detlef@p54BF03AB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SpudDogg [n=spuddogg@c-76-109-159-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=Dana@71-9-52-25.static.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nickrud [n=nickrud_@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/nickrud] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === jscinoz [n=jscinoz@124-171-27-142.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:06] is Thunderbird broken for anyone else? I get a segfault on opening any emails/rssfeeds === billytwowilly [n=chris@CABLE-72-53-22-61.cia.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-26-183.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kousotu [n=kousotu@adsl-68-79-19-172.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === thumper [n=tim@canonical/launchpad/thumper] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu+1 === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bur[n] er [n=burner@unaffiliated/burner] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Kousotu [i=Invincib@adsl-68-79-19-172.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ionstorm [n=ion@71-36-164-32.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:29] I need a Texas instruments: PCIxx21/x515/xx12 driver for linux. where can I find one? === qbjunkie [n=Qube@S0106000ea6be3878.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@host-091-096-244-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:31] Cardbus controller, or SD card reader? [08:31] 6in one [08:32] Hmm, there === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:32] I just ned Memorystick PRO though [08:32] There's the tifm_7xx1 module. I'm not sure whether memorystick (or pro) is supported. [08:32] I don;t use the other ones [08:32] I know XD, for example, is definitely not. [08:32] lol [08:32] MS / MS Pro might not be, either. [08:32] well I NEED pro [08:33] otherwise, I donn;t care [08:33] oh hell, I'l give it a shot [08:34] I got a 32mb stick that can die [08:34] lol [08:34] https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/2626 === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kousotu [n=kousotu@adsl-68-79-19-172.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:04] Are global keyhooks possible without root privileges? i need one that interfaces with my java program >_< === cr1ss [n=cr1ss@85.75.166.174] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:14] hello, here is my problem : recently, I installed fusion-icon from a .deb file for feisty.. I don't think that's a problem. Well, after that, when I log into ubuntu, I can't see the menu bar in the upper part of the screen, as well as my avant window navigator bar.. but, when I activate the cube, everything appears again.. what's that ? :> === nanonyme [n=siylioll@kirves.hut.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:21] cr1ss: sounds strange [09:21] extremely === Super [i=super@unaffiliated/super] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:25] cr1ss: so when you login you have problems, but when you tuern compiz on then everything works? === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:25] compiz fusion is enabled by default === IBG [n=IBG@x338.vpn.hrz.tu-darmstadt.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:26] I think that depends on the hardware [09:26] it's just, when I login, I can't see my menu bar and awn bar, but, when I press ctrl+alt+button1 to see the cube, everything reappears [09:26] cr1ss: that does indeed sound strange. more people likely to know in #ubuntu-effects though [09:26] I installed tribe 5 on my laptop yesterday and there it is not enabled [09:26] I 'll ask there too === mmlinux [n=maitadmi@69.136.172.239] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:26] I have a question [09:27] the accounts are confusing me a bit [09:27] how? [09:28] My current ubuntu 7.04 rig is set up like this: root< seems to be disabled/All privelges unchecked admin< administer system to remove software, ect and then matt < my simple user accounr [09:28] but admin sorta seems like root whats the difference [09:30] your user has the ability to perform admin/root actions, such as installing software [09:30] it uses sudo to do that [09:30] basically i went above and beyond security wise and made a admin account for maintence related, and my account has no admin abilitys [09:30] sudo is basically telling that your account (the one you set up by default) has the abillity to do admin stuff [09:32] i just noticed i went into users and groups (from admin) and i noticed that ubuntu's bash shell asks for a password in sudo AND its using admins password as root and not the root password i made in users and groups === cr1ss [n=cr1ss@85.75.166.174] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [09:32] example sudo su [09:32] password: [09:33] my admin account password is the root password? [09:33] sudo asks for your user password [09:33] to verify [09:33] oh [09:33] sudo is a tool to allow a simple user to perform root operations [09:33] you can specify which operations it can do [09:33] eg, only install software, but not remove files outside of home [09:33] by default ubuntu allows it to do everything [09:34] so security wise is my idea of ADMIN (change software) and User (use only) any good? [09:34] or can no damage be done by me being an admin? [09:34] depends, if you consider yourself an insecure user :) [09:34] by external people [09:35] im minimalistic and i got lokkit set to high [09:35] you can create a new user for example (guest) with no admin rights if other people need to use your computer [09:35] but i figured if someone gets in from the outside that my idea of admin/user would work [09:35] Outside (hacker) not physical poeple [09:35] ubuntu aims for new users, and they don't want to be bothered too much with multiple accounts [09:36] yes, that might cause security problems [09:36] but that requires him to gain access to your pc first [09:36] is admin as damageing as root? [09:36] mmlinux: most of the times they try to use the root account [09:36] or can he only change software ect? [09:37] if you use a firewall (software or hardware based) you already secure your pc [09:37] mmlinux: the sudo stuff is basicly levels of what you can do to the system [09:37] mmlinux: yes [09:37] because ubuntu allows it to do everything [09:37] i have router plus lokkit and the account i use is NONadmin [09:37] you can disable that however [09:37] but then you will have to use a root account to install applications or modify things outside of /home/user === allbert [n=allberto@124.82.118.125] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:38] root account is dead, u guys did that by default [09:38] no [09:38] i have a admin i made [09:38] it's not dead [09:38] mmlinux: no...not dead... [09:38] i cant login to it [09:38] and all privileges are off [09:39] mmlinux: try using sudo -s -H [09:39] then type the user password.... [09:39] then you get to root dir [09:39] thing is....there is not password for root [09:39] and the first user created will be the main admin account [09:40] so how do i lock down root and put it to "sleep" for say? [09:40] mmlinux: well you never want to do that [09:40] mmlinux: cause things in the system are owned by root [09:40] why? no password is bad isnt it? [09:41] mmlinux: no.....it only means that the account is not suable [09:41] mmlinux: or that it is login able unless you are on the machine having a account that has admin right [09:41] mmlinux: sudo sets the level of admin you want to use [09:41] that means its not accessible from my basic account [09:41] the root accoutn^^ [09:41] mmlinux: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo [09:41] mmlinux: for example: I have a file somewhere that I only want user dumdidum to read.... [09:42] mmlinux: I can set the read/write admin rights to this by using sudo [09:42] mmlinux: the first account created is a admin [09:43] mmlinux: typing: sudo -s -H [09:43] mmlinux: then use the user password....then bam you are root with a shell [09:43] whats sudo -s -H [09:43] oh [09:43] mmlinux: man sudo [09:43] mmlinux: really...mate... [09:44] hehe [09:44] me being root is really BAD isnt it i mean id be wielding a bit much power there eh? [09:44] mmlinux: maybe [09:44] <<< cue me nuking my pc be accident lol [09:44] by^ [09:45] mmlinux: but.....if you are the admin of the machine then why not? [09:45] Im not [09:45] mmlinux: its like saying "I want a car that I don't own that I still can trash!" [09:45] i disabled my own admin rights and a made an 3rd account called admin [09:45] mmlinux: right...so now you have to use admin for updates? [09:46] i dnt know, i have an update manager but no synaptic or add/remove [09:46] admin has it all [09:46] mmlinux: so how did you remove the rights for the admin user? [09:47] mmlinux: well the update-manager if you can't access the system then it can install... [09:47] mmlinux: _IF_ you are not admin [09:47] i went users and groups, i turned off adminster privelge for my account and made a new account for administering the system [09:47] mmlinux: ....OUCH [09:47] mmlinux: well...ok.... [09:47] huh? [09:48] mmlinux: think you need to read up a bit on sudo and root stuff [09:48] i basically made the admin a 3rd person, so if i were to be hacked in my normal account they cant do much (no admin rights) [09:49] but then again I cant do much either lol [09:49] mmlinux: you do realize that the user you have still has admin right right? [09:49] it cant be [09:49] i cant even sudo in bash [09:49] mmlinux: actually it is [09:49] mmlinux: what? [09:49] mmlinux: jesus.....o well have fun [09:50] I cant sudo su or sudo lokkit or anything in bash other than non-admin commands [09:50] unless i log into the admin account then i can === bdgraue [n=bdgraue@host-091-096-244-238.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:51] mmlinux: type groups [09:51] mmlinux: you have a admin in that list? [09:52] mmlinux: aaa..wait [09:52] Give me one sec [09:52] huh [09:52] mmlinux: that is the group you removed [09:52] I went to privelges and unchecked administer system [09:52] mmlinux: yep [09:52] thats what i did and i figured thats what it did [09:52] << it weeniefied my account [09:52] mmlinux: its all the members of the group admin that is the sudo people [09:53] well I belive you still need to read more about the stuff about sudo and so on [09:53] i cant sudo in my account by as admin i cant sudo (yell at root to do something for me) ? [09:53] you seem to paranoid to me... :P [09:53] CAN sudo^ [09:53] i think i got it now [09:54] an admin can pester the hell out of root to run commands by typing sudo [09:54] hehe thats my spin on it^ [09:55] sorry mate...I have to say man sudo again [09:56] sudo means superuser do right? superuser is root right? ubuntu doesnt let you loginto root but will let u sudo or ask root to run the command, and what i did was turn my admin rights off so i cant sudo right? [09:58] man visudo [09:59] visudo? [09:59] mmm [09:59] huh as admin its "permission denied" [09:59] the editor for the sudo file [09:59] try it with your user [09:59] do i need to be sudo su? [09:59] nope [10:00] its a man file [10:00] i cant its permission denied [10:00] ooo you are running the command [10:00] I said man visudo === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:01] ohhhh dam lol "man visudo" i thought you were being impatient and man!! hehe [10:01] that is one hefty chunk console text goodness === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pecisk [n=pecisk@78.84.125.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:06] thanks for your help guys [10:08] <<< lol [10:08] im just glad it isnt like windows and falls apart and becomes unusable from acts of stupidity..... [10:09] seeya guys === mmlinux [n=maitadmi@69.136.172.239] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Tschss."] === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === marcel__ [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:24] I updated from feisty to gutsy yesterday. Running Xgl significantly slows down the display. I looked at launchpad for xgl slow, but couldn't find any clues. Can someone give me a hint on where to look or what might be wrong? [10:24] When I run X manually, the speed is okay. I tried ati as well as fglrx driver. [10:25] xy77: Xgl on fglrx is slow unless you use compiz === eMaX_ [n=emax@57.66.84.248] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:34] Thanks for the hint. It seems I had some old compiz packages instlled. I removed them and reinstalled compiz. I will try to see if it works... === jgm [n=jgm@host-87-74-179-156.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === CodeImp [n=dont@s55910c2b.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:52] I get the following error when changing to compiz: Fatal: Support for non power of two textures missing; no managable screens found. === nikolam [n=nikola@adsl-211-220.eunet.yu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:55] xy77: does metacity start back up then? [10:57] Amaranth: I use beryl-manager to switch wms, and it says it runs compiz... I can change back to metacity tough. If I try beryl, it says cant start beryl-xgl. === fuoco [n=gad@87.69.68.130.cable.012.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:58] ah, so you're not using gutsy [10:58] probably the wrong channel then [10:58] Amaranth: I'm surely using gutsy, I updated yesterday. [10:58] xy77: then you shouldn't be using beryl anything [10:59] beryl is gone === buttercups [n=me@c-68-54-116-100.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === twilight [n=twilight@ubuntu/member/twilight] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:02] Amaranth: Okay, so I removed the beryl packages and tried a compiz --replace. It seems to run, but It says no mangable screens found. And the screen rendering is still extremely slow. [11:02] compiz.real --version === jussi01 wonders what hardware xy77 is running.... === DSpair [n=dphillip@74-133-148-108.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:04] Amaranth: compiz 0.5.3 [11:04] I have a question about using the network-connection-manager with vpnc... How can configure other options or set defaults? [11:05] xy77: then it's not lying, you can't use compiz [11:05] jussi01: IBM Thinkpad T42p with a ATI FireGL Mobility T2 [11:05] Particularly, I need to set the "Vendor cisco" and "Nat Traversal Mode cisco-udp" [11:05] does that work with the open source driver? === jgm [n=jgm@host-87-74-179-156.bulldogdsl.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [11:07] Amaranth: so there's no way of making the default Xgl server that starts up faster? [11:07] no, just uninstall it [11:08] Xgl only starts like that if you manually installed it [11:08] Has anyone else noticed Wireless connections dropping after a time? [11:08] DSpair: i have but that's because my router sucks and has to be restarted every 2-12 hours [11:09] Amaranth: I see, that's the problem. [11:09] *brb* === __tim [n=timm@dsl-217-155-195-89.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === JosefK [n=brett@82-42-147-9.cable.ubr01.sprt.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === iblicf_ [n=iblicf@125.34.31.122] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrtimdog [n=mrtimdog@host81-149-70-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kal_ [i=kal@mon75-2-81-57-188-179.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bikeboy [n=bikeboy@220-253-57-166.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bikeboy [n=bikeboy@220-253-57-166.VIC.netspace.net.au] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:23] Thanks for the help Amaranth, no I get the default X session instead of the xgl one. That's much better, although I have no clue, why I can't enable desktop effects. I uninstalled compiz, since you said I can't use it, but now it complains about missing compiz. I don't get it. [11:23] heh [11:23] compiz is a part of the desktop [11:23] ubuntu-desktop, i mean [11:23] but it won't even try to run if you're not using Xgl [11:25] What makes me wonder is, that desktop effects work fine if I run a livecd. So I figure it has something to do with my configuration. [11:26] And I always hope there is a way of getting around a fresh install by changing things. [11:27] if it works on a live cd that means you don't need fglrx [11:27] if you uninstall fglrx and change your driver back to 'ati' it should work [11:27] I see. I'll try that. [11:28] you have to restart after uninstalling fglrx [11:28] it craps into lots of places you wouldn't think it would [11:29] *brb* *hopesto* === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-63-153.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrtimdog [n=mrtimdog@host81-149-70-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["bye"] [11:36] <_4strO> hi there === nanonyme thinks it might be a good idea that you could choose in ubuntu installer whether compiz would be enabled or not and you would get a notice which would tell you about the problems it has [11:43] that is, if ubuntu+1 will have it installed in any case === xy77 [n=xy77@89.246.128.28] has joined #ubuntu+1 [11:51] Just wanted to check back and tell you it worked. After uninstalling fglrx drivers and rebooting, I could enable desktop effects. Had to reinstall compiz, since ubuntu-desktop didn't recognize them as missing, which it should if I understand it correctly. Thanks for the help guys. === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === yellowChicken [n=goldenpi@cpe-66-8-235-245.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === mrtimdog [n=mrtimdog@host81-149-70-133.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:17] Hi, is there a how-to for kubuntu (gutsy) and compiz? [12:19] compiz? [12:19] install compiz-kde and ccsm, and compiz --replace [12:21] compiz same as berly? [12:21] not the same, but not that different :p === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:22] Hobbsee: thanks, giving it a try... [12:23] mrtimdog: the package for ccsm is compizconfig-settings-manager [12:24] Already installed. I've just moved from ubuntu-desktop to kubuntu-desktop. Just getting used to the kdeisms :) [12:26] Compiz running :) === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Armor_Azrael [n=maurer@c-66-41-152-38.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:35]