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| cjwatson | sigh, I broke ntfs in d-i | 03:25 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, I sent you a couple of emails, keyboard detection should be better now | 03:47 |
| cjwatson | ok, your mail to me is pretty reliable, so you don't need to tell me on IRC when you've sent me mail, thanks :) | 03:47 |
| xivulon | something not on the email, if you want to build wubi yourself, you have to edit scripts/build.sh and add prerequisit to the case statement at the bottom | 03:48 |
| xivulon | then run "make prerequisites" and "make" | 03:49 |
| xivulon | first command will setup wine + nsis | 03:49 |
| xivulon | "make test" to run the dialog in debug mode | 03:50 |
| === evand grumbles about wine on 64-bit | ||
| xivulon | The reason I split keyboard versions in a separate ini file is that windows uses an 8-digit hex, and did not want to remap the entries in keymaps.ini | 03:54 |
| xivulon | I mean keyboard variants | 03:56 |
| cjwatson | I wonder if wubi could be built on our buildds with that | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | I sort of assumed it needed a Windows installation | 03:57 |
| xivulon | wine + nsis is fine | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | hmm, I don't think our buildds are allowed to wget random stuff from the web though | 03:57 |
| cjwatson | so that wouldn't work | 03:57 |
| xivulon | we have one plugin in c# at the moment though | 03:57 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, wget is only a convenience script, you can install nsis from within wine manually | 03:58 |
| xivulon | provided the building server has wine with nsis installed (and mono if you want to recompile wubibcd) it should be fine | 03:58 |
| xivulon | The makefile is sub-par at the moment, the only thing in common with a proper makefile is the name | 04:00 |
| xivulon | The nsis plugins we use are not recompiled at the moment | 04:01 |
| cjwatson | yeah, that's what I mean, I don't see our buildd administrators preinstalling wine and nsis in the lifetime of this universe :) | 04:08 |
| xivulon | I don't really blame them, anyway now at least you can rebuild the frontend if you need to | 04:35 |
| cjwatson | good stuff | 04:38 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, the nsis version is a bit dated, I will update it later on (there are some strange warnings when using the new version I have to sort out) and upload a new nsis tar | 04:55 |
| evand | yikes, unionfs or python seems to have major breakage in the most recent daily live cds. | 05:01 |
| evand | http://evalicious.com/syslog | 05:06 |
| superm1 | okay so that wasn't just me | 05:07 |
| superm1 | we changed a lot in our builds a day or two ago, and then i booted one and it was going all to hell | 05:08 |
| evand | heh | 05:08 |
| superm1 | i'd point likely towards unionfs | 05:08 |
| superm1 | because there a re unionfs errors all over dmesg | 05:08 |
| superm1 | well the only unionfs related bugs i'm finding that were filed thus far: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138866 | 05:18 |
| evand | it only seems to happen when calling python, but I imagine that's just luck of the draw as python wouldn't be able to dereference a NULL pointer in the kernel. | 05:24 |
| superm1 | well it was happening to me actually with apt too | 05:24 |
| evand | ah | 05:24 |
| superm1 | with some other weird things like mmap unable to msync | 05:24 |
| superm1 | and then not being able to find files that were on the filesystem | 05:25 |
| cjwatson | evand,superm1: yeah, several of us are seeing that - pkl's looking at it | 05:39 |
| evand | ah, thanks | 05:39 |
| superm1 | as evand just mentioned in #ubuntu-kernel https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/138915 | 05:39 |
| superm1 | has both of our dmesg/syslog attached | 05:39 |
| cjwatson | I got my new laptop today, with a Windows installation on it which I plan to use to test wubi/lupin | 05:52 |
| cjwatson | (though I've already installed Ubuntu separately of course ;-)) | 05:53 |
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| evand | http://www.vmware.com/products/converter/ ? | 05:56 |
| cjwatson | just running natively | 05:57 |
| cjwatson | the Vista Home Basic licence forbids running it in a VM | 05:57 |
| cjwatson | which is a bit control-freaky but there you go :-/ | 05:58 |
| evand | ah, I forgot about that | 06:00 |
| xivulon | cjwatson... ...on vista? :P | 06:00 |
| cjwatson | will wubi not work on vista? | 06:01 |
| xivulon | Well I should shoutup since my laptop came with premium, I contributed to ms coffin more than colin | 06:01 |
| xivulon | cjwatson it should | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: could we have a stable link for the latest version of wubi? like Wubi-7.10-minefield.exe -> Wubi-7.10-minefield-0.4.exe | 06:01 |
| cjwatson | coffer, not coffin :-) | 06:02 |
| cjwatson | (contributing to MS' coffin is a *good* thing ...) | 06:02 |
| xivulon | well talkin of coffer wubi helped took away 200K users and counting... So I guess it's a good investment... | 06:02 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I would have got one of Dell's Ubuntu laptops but they weren't shipping Core 2 Duos with Ubuntu in the UK | 06:02 |
| thom | what did you end up with? HP? | 06:03 |
| xivulon | same here, I ended up with a samsung, (also because on last 2 dell laptops power jacks desoldered) | 06:03 |
| cjwatson | thom: dell latitude d830 | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | we'll see how it goes | 06:04 |
| thom | oh right; is that the T60 sized one, or smaller? | 06:04 |
| cjwatson | gar, what is wrong with cdimage? it's supposed to be downloading wubi but isn't | 06:04 |
| xivulon | if you do not have kids stumbling on the power cable they are fine machines | 06:05 |
| evand | laptop refreshment plan, only 2 years and 9 months away :) | 06:05 |
| cjwatson | thom: dunno how big a t60 is. it's 15", fairly chunky but I like big laptops | 06:05 |
| thom | yeah, similar to powerbook sized | 06:06 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, I cannot do the link from the office (no ssh), will do tonight | 06:06 |
| cjwatson | ah, the download breakage is my fault | 06:07 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: thanks, I'll just bump it to 0.4 for now | 06:07 |
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| cjwatson | thom: yeah, about two inches higher than the 15" PowerBook and maybe half an inch deeper | 06:14 |
| cjwatson | (but the height is mostly because the monitor is hinged differently) | 06:15 |
| thom | nods | 06:15 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: evand * r2220 ubiquity/bin/ubiquity: Fix test. | 06:33 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: I wonder if it's worth having the "-tribe5" subversion thing, which we'll just have to update all the time? We don't do that for our native installers | 06:45 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: grub4dos installation doesn't seem to have worked here. Anything I can do to investigate? | 06:47 |
| cjwatson | I just get thrown into my normal grub menu | 06:47 |
| cjwatson | ah, I need to boot into Windows | 06:48 |
| cjwatson | ok, that's convoluted | 06:48 |
| cjwatson | bugger, fell over in initramfs | 06:48 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, if you have grub, you have to select Windows | 06:51 |
| xivulon | wubi adds an option to the windows bootloader, not to grub | 06:51 |
| cjwatson | yeah, I worked it out while you were pinged out | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | it's fallen over in the initramfs now and I'm debugging | 06:53 |
| cjwatson | whoa, we're using klibc /bin/mount? when did that happen? | 06:54 |
| xivulon | if you can boot, and preseed and boot options are correct, the frontend job is done. | 06:55 |
| xivulon | re version name, what do you suggest? | 07:02 |
| cjwatson | perhaps just "Ubuntu 7.10 alpha" | 07:04 |
| cjwatson | ok, lupin is failing because fuse uses the -i option to mount which klibc mount doesn't support | 07:05 |
| cjwatson | easy fix | 07:05 |
| xivulon | Sounds good, do you want to have something like the launchpad revision in there? | 07:08 |
| cjwatson | nope | 07:18 |
| cjwatson | well I mean I suppose you could but it would just have to be removed for release :) | 07:19 |
| cjwatson | I dunno, up to you, I just feel it's better without too much information that has to be updated | 07:19 |
| xivulon | np | 07:30 |
| xivulon | How is the installation going? In the last few days I only looked at the frontend. | 07:31 |
| cjwatson | 17:53 <cjwatson> it's fallen over in the initramfs now and I'm debugging | 07:35 |
| cjwatson | about that well | 07:35 |
| cjwatson | I think I've beaten on klibc sufficiently to fix that | 07:35 |
| cjwatson | ok, at least it's booting now | 07:42 |
| cjwatson | unionfs is known to be a bit screwed at the moment though so I don't know how far we'll get | 07:42 |
| cjwatson | up to X | 07:46 |
| cjwatson | hmm, suspend and hibernate options still present | 07:47 |
| cjwatson | automatic-ubiquity didn't work, init script isn't symlinked properly | 07:50 |
| evand | hrm, using fuse, ntfs directories show up as DT_UNKNOWN. | 07:51 |
| === xivulon wish could be home playing with that too... | ||
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| cjwatson | xivulon: the name /tmpmountpoint isn't important, is it? if I rename that to /host then the suspend/hibernate inhibition should work right | 07:53 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2221 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules): * Call update-rc.d so that automatic-ubiquity stands a chance of working. | 07:53 |
| xivulon | it's just a throwaway folder, make sure it's something not colliding with other scripts | 07:54 |
| cjwatson | OK, /host should be fine then | 07:54 |
| xivulon | not that it is called more than once, and for each call and for each partition /tmpmount is mounted/unmounted | 07:55 |
| xivulon | note | 07:55 |
| cjwatson | that's ok | 07:56 |
| cjwatson | as long as it's left mounted at the end | 07:56 |
| xivulon | It's left mounted unless the last call does not find what it was looking for | 07:57 |
| cjwatson | right | 07:57 |
| cjwatson | oh, hang on, am I crazy? | 07:58 |
| cjwatson | there's no reason why that fuse mount in particular should inhibit suspend/hibernate, since it isn't helping to implement the root filesystem | 07:59 |
| cjwatson | I'll revert that, sorry | 07:59 |
| xivulon | that is only used to find files, and the mount is always r/o | 08:02 |
| cjwatson | user_folder=#UserFolder=/Users/cjwatson^M | 08:02 |
| cjwatson | hmm | 08:02 |
| cjwatson | so preseeding itself is fine with CR/LF files but lupin's direct fiddling with the preseed file isn't ... looks like I spoke slightly too soon :( | 08:03 |
| xivulon | ah yes, I forgot about that | 08:04 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: doesn't /tmpmountpoint need to be unmounted after we're finished with it, regardless? | 08:04 |
| cjwatson | because otherwise it's not possible to mount the same filesystem from the live session | 08:04 |
| xivulon | hmm, often you want to do something with the file, so either you umount within find_path() and then remount in the code calling find_path or you have to remember to umount after calling findpath | 08:06 |
| cjwatson | yeah, it's clearly a little fiddly | 08:06 |
| cjwatson | I'll sort something out | 08:06 |
| xivulon | for instance, when you use it within find_iso, then the filesystem hosting the ISO must not be unmounted | 08:08 |
| cjwatson | right | 08:08 |
| xivulon | At the moment when find_path scans a folder which is already mounted it does not try to remount it, that is to make it work with find_iso. | 08:09 |
| cjwatson | I think a find_path_cleanup function called at the end of each client script would be sufficient | 08:09 |
| xivulon | yes, just make sure that find_iso is not affected, that is mounted on top of /isodevice (which overrdies the default /tmpmount folder) | 08:12 |
| cjwatson | yep | 08:14 |
| xivulon | one more thing, wait_for_devs, should be called the first time find_path is used, at the moment wait_for_devs is within find_iso, but that is not appropriate since you might use find_preseed without find_iso | 08:18 |
| xivulon | something like [ -e /var/run/devs_ready ] || wait_for_devs (within find_path) and then "touch /var/run/devs_ready" (within wait_for_devs) | 08:22 |
| cjwatson | better, just wait_for_devs in both places and do the test inside wait_for_devfs | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | devs | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | ok, I'll do that once bzr deigns to respond | 08:23 |
| cjwatson | s/bzr/my local wireless network/ I think actually | 08:23 |
| xivulon | then call wait_for_devs from find_path and add the test within wait_for_devs | 08:25 |
| cjwatson | indeed, done :) | 08:25 |
| cjwatson | parallel development ;) | 08:25 |
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| cjwatson | ? | 08:27 |
| xivulon | have a sun-fan friend who often says "we start to think alike" and I usually reply "not sure I like that"... nevermind | 08:31 |
| xivulon | like a pavlov response | 08:32 |
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| cjwatson | OK, lupin 0.5 fixes all the problems I can find here | 08:51 |
| xivulon | cl | 08:51 |
| xivulon | cjwatson, not sure find_path_cleanup is ok in find_iso | 08:52 |
| cjwatson | why not? | 08:52 |
| xivulon | livemedia expects a filesystem path, and that path will be something like /isodevice/ubuntu/install/xyz.iso | 08:53 |
| xivulon | but if /isodevice is unmounted livemedia will not find any iso | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | oh | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | ok, good point | 08:53 |
| cjwatson | fixed | 08:56 |
| cjwatson | (lupin 0.6) | 08:57 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2222 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.5.14 | 08:58 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2223 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): | 09:08 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: grub-installer | 09:08 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: 1.24ubuntu4. | 09:08 |
| xivulon | for the thinkpad fans out there: http://lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/?p=98 | 09:11 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2224 ubiquity/debian/po/ (79 files): debconf-updatepo | 09:13 |
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| cjwatson | somebody please remind me to do a full ubiquity translation update from Rosetta before beta | 09:16 |
| evand | will do | 09:20 |
| CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2225 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.14 | 09:21 |
| cjwatson | evand: not to mention to show you how to do it, but that can probably wait :) | 09:21 |
| cjwatson | (it's a nightmare of twisty little scripts in my ~/bin/) | 09:22 |
| evand | haha, I'm beginning to see a pattern here | 09:22 |
| evand | twisty little scripts everywhere | 09:22 |
| cjwatson | I *try* not to ... | 09:24 |
| cjwatson | yay, new laptop unpacks packages like greased lightning | 09:26 |
| cjwatson | I like having I/O worth a damn | 09:27 |
| evand | haha | 09:28 |
| evand | I wish I could just fold my desktop. I'm tempted to just get one of those iMac carrying cases for the next sprint. | 09:29 |
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| xivulon | cjwatson, did you manage to install at the end? | 12:05 |
| cjwatson | xivulon: no, I fixed everything I could but lupin was a bit too buggered really. I plan to give it another go with tomorrow's image | 12:06 |
| cjwatson | going to bed now | 12:06 |
| xivulon | I am updating some wubi frontend code, should be there by tomorrow | 12:08 |
| xivulon | late on tonight | 12:08 |
| cjwatson | ok, drop me a line if you have a new wubi url for me | 12:08 |
| xivulon | sure | 12:11 |
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