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| mrevell | howdy everyone | 06:29 |
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| mrevell | I have an exciting opportunity to help promote an event on Thursday :) | 06:34 |
| === beuno tries not to look like he's everywhere | ||
| beuno | hey mrevell! | 06:39 |
| beuno | what would that be? | 06:40 |
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| mrevell | hey beuno, I'm sure I saw someone with a very similar nick in another channel just now. | 06:43 |
| mrevell | beuno: It's the PPA and Ubuntu Packaging 101 session. I just wanted to get some advice from the Ubuntu marketing team to see where you think I should spread the word. | 06:43 |
| beuno | mrevell, freenode is crowded... | 06:44 |
| mrevell | beuno: (it was you, in ubuntu-fridge) :-) | 06:44 |
| beuno | mrevell, the UWN would seem ideal, but since it's in 2 days, doesn't seem likely | 06:44 |
| mrevell | beuno: Yeah, I'll add a report on it to UWN, along with links to logs and a request for people to tell us if they'd value a repeat. | 06:45 |
| beuno | mrevell, I'm thinking we could send an isolated email to the ubuntu-news ML, but I'm not sure if it's that Ubuntu-related | 06:45 |
| mrevell | beuno: It's all about Ubuntu packaging, so it is fairly Ubuntu related, I think. Your call, obviously. | 06:46 |
| beuno | oh, right, ubuntu packaging basics seems very much related | 06:46 |
| beuno | the -motu ML is an obvious target too | 06:47 |
| mrevell | Who runs the ubuntu-news ML? | 06:47 |
| beuno | mrevell, take a guess :D | 06:47 |
| mrevell | hehe | 06:47 |
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| mrevell | :) | 06:47 |
| beuno | hehehe | 06:47 |
| beuno | I wish I could go... :( | 06:48 |
| mrevell | Oh, shame you can't. I'm sure we'll meet at some point, though, | 06:48 |
| mrevell | So, if I write something up, should I send it to you or direct to the list? | 06:49 |
| beuno | mrevell, send it to the list and ping me, I'll pass it through the filter | 06:49 |
| mrevell | thanks | 06:49 |
| beuno | mrevell, welcome :D | 06:50 |
| mrevell | beuno: done! | 07:02 |
| beuno | mrevell, hasn't apeared on the filter, did you send it to ubuntu-news? | 07:05 |
| mrevell | sent it to ubuntu-news@lists.ubuntu.com | 07:05 |
| beuno | mrevell, got it, it's approved | 07:06 |
| mrevell | beuno: I've just had a message saying it's waiting approval | 07:06 |
| mrevell | beuno: oh, great, thanks! | 07:07 |
| beuno | mrevell, at your service :D | 07:08 |
| mrevell | :) | 07:09 |
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| mrevell | beuno: Do you know how many people are on that list? | 07:13 |
| beuno | mrevell, 5967 members total | 07:13 |
| mrevell | beuno: Rocking :) | 07:13 |
| beuno | yeap yeap, a lot of people subscribed to that | 07:14 |
| mrevell | The mail has just hit my Gmail account. Cool. Thanks again for your help | 07:17 |
| beuno | mrevell, my pleasure | 07:18 |
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| === jenda waves to beuno and mrevell-dinner | ||
| beuno | hey jenda! | 09:00 |
| jenda | aloha | 09:01 |
| beuno | how's it going? | 09:02 |
| jenda | beuno: bad :) | 09:02 |
| jenda | beuno: exam tomorrow and a mouth full of cold sores | 09:03 |
| beuno | jenda, I hear beer is good for that | 09:03 |
| jenda | beuno: for the exam? definitely. Don't you worry about me ;) | 09:04 |
| jenda | Highschool-class party tomorrow night, lawyer party on Thursday, pub-session on friday, Ubuntu-book meetup on saturday (in a pub)... | 09:04 |
| beuno | jenda, you sure know how to have fun... | 09:05 |
| jenda | beuno: oh no, that's work | 09:06 |
| jenda | beuno: I'm going hiking next week - that's fun :) | 09:06 |
| jenda | no beer there, though :( | 09:06 |
| beuno | jenda, where are you going? Ukraine? | 09:06 |
| jenda | beuno: just Slovakia. | 09:07 |
| beuno | jenda, cool, hoe long? | 09:08 |
| beuno | s/hoe/how | 09:08 |
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| jenda | beuno: either a week or just 3 days | 09:15 |
| jenda | beuno: depending on whether I go straight away, or if I'm too busy and hop on board on Wednesday. | 09:15 |
| beuno | jenda, good to see that you're keeping busy | 09:17 |
| jenda | beuno: oh, is it ;) | 09:17 |
| jenda | beuno: I'm still saving up for my trip to Argentina :D | 09:17 |
| jenda | beuno: a little bit of a setback being the fact that I'll have to pay about $1000 in taxes for that goddamn translation :( | 09:18 |
| beuno | jenda, great to hear, I'll be more then happy to take a vacation when you come visit | 09:18 |
| beuno | 1k for taxes??? really? | 09:19 |
| jenda | almost | 09:19 |
| jenda | I don't know the exact figure yet. | 09:19 |
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| fl33tingtime | hello,is this the best place to ask for a new ubuntu-promotion related project/ | 09:37 |
| fl33tingtime | ?* | 09:38 |
| fl33tingtime | anyone there? | 09:39 |
| jenda | fl33tingtime: yes, it's a good place. The mailing list would likely be a better place, though. | 09:40 |
| fl33tingtime | jenda: than, but emails are becoming fishier and phishier by the day | 09:41 |
| fl33tingtime | could you spare me a minute if you are someone with some authority ...kind of? | 09:41 |
| jenda | hehe | 09:41 |
| fl33tingtime | if not authority, integrity will also do :-) | 09:42 |
| mrevell | hi jenda | 09:42 |
| jenda | fl33tingtime: I'm sorry, but I am currently extremely busy. Just write it up in here and someone will notice it and answer soon enough :) | 09:42 |
| jenda | In fact, I might, because I suck at concentration :D | 09:42 |
| fl33tingtime | see , Mark17 found nothign wrong or troublesome with the #1 bug assigned to Mark shuttleworth | 09:46 |
| fl33tingtime | this was at #ubuntu | 09:46 |
| fl33tingtime | and then i read the whole long list of replies | 09:46 |
| fl33tingtime | and maybe then this might interest: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?7027 | 09:47 |
| fl33tingtime | if it is not already done | 09:47 |
| juliux | jenda, if you come to the next cebit in hannover/germany i have original cz beer for you,9 | 09:48 |
| fl33tingtime | would be happy if you gave me a confirmation of having read anythign on that page... | 09:48 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, I don't understand how those are related | 09:48 |
| fl33tingtime | beuno - if a web2.0 portal shows you how to install ubuntu and various packages | 09:49 |
| fl33tingtime | without actually touching linux at all | 09:49 |
| fl33tingtime | you get people who are extremely confident doing their first install | 09:49 |
| fl33tingtime | when they have rehearsed all the possible failure scenarios | 09:49 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, right, I understand, what is your proposal then? | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | one a *fake* ubuntu installer available on-demand | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | no download, no install, practice practice practice tillallyour irelessd reiver problems get fixed | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | wireless* | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | driver* | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | on a fake system! | 09:50 |
| fl33tingtime | fakubuntu.com! | 09:51 |
| beuno | isn't that what a live cd is for? | 09:51 |
| fl33tingtime | fake-ubuntu.com is better ;-) | 09:51 |
| fl33tingtime | people dont know how to change the boot sequence | 09:51 |
| fl33tingtime | to cdrom | 09:51 |
| fl33tingtime | ground facts | 09:51 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, the problem is that you can't know the persons hardware via a web browser | 09:52 |
| fl33tingtime | last mile problems not known to developers - only to embarassed marketers like me | 09:52 |
| dergringo | Is anyone at the openexpo in zurich (ch) ? | 09:52 |
| fl33tingtime | you dont even try to | 09:52 |
| fl33tingtime | you present a comprehensive set of possibilities | 09:52 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, as in "possible problems"? | 09:52 |
| fl33tingtime | just pick up the hardware compatibility lists from your real ubuntu knowledgebase | 09:53 |
| fl33tingtime | and fake them on web2.0 | 09:53 |
| fl33tingtime | no a single real disk is touched | 09:53 |
| fl33tingtime | not* | 09:53 |
| fl33tingtime | anywhere in the world | 09:53 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, I understand the advantages, I just can't understand how it would work | 09:53 |
| fl33tingtime | everyone trains over and over on the trainubuntu site | 09:53 |
| beuno | you can't know what will actually happen when the user puts in the cdrom to install | 09:54 |
| beuno | so you have no real way of making them go through the experience beforehan | 09:54 |
| fl33tingtime | like google docs does, thinkfreeoffice does, zoho crm does, zoho vitrual office does | 09:54 |
| beuno | *beforehand | 09:54 |
| fl33tingtime | and m$ live does | 09:54 |
| fl33tingtime | they all are web ibterface to real apps | 09:55 |
| fl33tingtime | interfaces* | 09:55 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, then you would propose a working Ubuntu copy, not the installer, right? | 09:55 |
| fl33tingtime | sure each system is different, | 09:55 |
| fl33tingtime | but if you list all the system posibilities, you have a real nice fake | 09:55 |
| fl33tingtime | to train on | 09:55 |
| fl33tingtime | and the data needed is all there with you in the real knowledgebase, bugtracker etc | 09:56 |
| beuno | right, that sounds much better, although it's a tremendouse amount of work to do every 6 months, maybe it could be done just for LTS | 09:56 |
| fl33tingtime | btw, call me ft is fl33tingtime is long ;-) | 09:56 |
| fl33tingtime | ft | 09:56 |
| beuno | you will need a lot of man power to get that done | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | LTS==? | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | not as much as you think | 09:57 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, I don't mind, tab button es my friend | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | a script coudl do many things | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | ok :-) | 09:57 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, LTS == Long Term Support (Dapper Drake 6.06 at the moment) | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | see ubotu | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | its a cool hack | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | ok | 09:57 |
| fl33tingtime | "graphical ubotu" | 09:58 |
| fl33tingtime | bingo | 09:58 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, well, now you just need to find a way to actually do it :D | 09:58 |
| beuno | mailing list is probably the best way to recruit people for ir | 09:58 |
| beuno | sum it up nicely, maybe even set up a wiki page under wiki.ubuntu.com | 09:58 |
| dergringo | you want to build up a web based ubuntu? | 09:59 |
| fl33tingtime | beuno .... :-) | 09:59 |
| fl33tingtime | build a web based installation traniner for ubuntu with no real ubuntu behind it anywhere | 09:59 |
| fl33tingtime | does not even need to be run on a LAMP stack, fwiw! | 10:00 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, again, I don't think an installer is the way to go, a working system would | 10:00 |
| fl33tingtime | ok | 10:00 |
| beuno | every instalation is either *the same* or *dramatically different* | 10:00 |
| dergringo | A working system would be a LOT of hard work ;) | 10:01 |
| fl33tingtime | sigma(dramatically diff) --> big list-> all ready , on-demand | 10:01 |
| fl33tingtime | i know | 10:01 |
| beuno | dergringo, yes it would :D | 10:01 |
| fl33tingtime | would help other distros as well ;-) | 10:01 |
| fl33tingtime | so its not onyl your ubuntu team that will help out | 10:02 |
| fl33tingtime | and there are L O T S of web2.0 coders out there with itching palms, i assure | 10:02 |
| jenda | juliux: when is it? | 10:02 |
| juliux | jenda, in march next year | 10:02 |
| juliux | jenda, but i am living now in hannover | 10:03 |
| jenda | juliux: I might. | 10:03 |
| dergringo | Well yes... I would help but you need a few hundreds of people :D | 10:03 |
| fl33tingtime | beuno: ill send a mail to mailing list | 10:03 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, go for it! | 10:03 |
| fl33tingtime | since it seems worth discussing after all... | 10:03 |
| fl33tingtime | do ou know of a decent free webhost for lamp ? | 10:04 |
| fl33tingtime | you* | 10:04 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, not really, no | 10:04 |
| fl33tingtime | a few ads is ok | 10:04 |
| fl33tingtime | i'm not so rich , yknow ;-) ;-) | 10:05 |
| fl33tingtime | somwehere to show a prototype.... | 10:05 |
| jenda | hehe | 10:05 |
| jenda | fl33tingtime: I certainly recommend fake-ubuntu over fakubuntu :D | 10:05 |
| fl33tingtime | lol | 10:05 |
| beuno | well, it depends how much press you want... :p | 10:06 |
| fl33tingtime | trainubuntu.... | 10:06 |
| fl33tingtime | :-) | 10:06 |
| dergringo | virtbuntu | 10:06 |
| fl33tingtime | the power of collective thought! ;-) | 10:06 |
| jenda | nobuntu :) | 10:07 |
| fl33tingtime | ODubuntu - On demand ubuntu | 10:07 |
| dergringo | mybuntu (to keep align web20) ;9 | 10:09 |
| fl33tingtime | btw, will this affect anybody's jobs anywhere? | 10:09 |
| fl33tingtime | like people make money out of installing linux.... | 10:09 |
| fl33tingtime | so if users can train themselves.... | 10:09 |
| fl33tingtime | these guys dont knwo what to do | 10:09 |
| fl33tingtime | for an earning | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | is that a large number of people? | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | her in India, it is just fine | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | here* | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | people always want quick easy money | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | so they'll b ehappy | 10:10 |
| dergringo | I think this is comparable to an online tutorial | 10:10 |
| fl33tingtime | roughly | 10:10 |
| dergringo | Personal teaching will always be better ;) | 10:11 |
| fl33tingtime | which is why this last thought | 10:11 |
| fl33tingtime | tldp, linux questions, linuxjournal, ubuntu support | 10:11 |
| fl33tingtime | all *could* (n * maybe) be affected | 10:11 |
| fl33tingtime | or they could integrate with iframes :-) | 10:12 |
| fl33tingtime | hack upon hack! | 10:12 |
| fl33tingtime | so ad revenure for them stays | 10:12 |
| fl33tingtime | and ubuntu gets a back up trainer | 10:12 |
| fl33tingtime | on demand | 10:13 |
| fl33tingtime | out of every 100 installs, my guesstimate is that about 40 will go smoothly because of this trainer | 10:13 |
| fl33tingtime | the other 60 will .... add to the dramatically dofferent list ... hehe | 10:13 |
| fl33tingtime | different* | 10:14 |
| fl33tingtime | tipping point economics... is that the word.... | 10:14 |
| fl33tingtime | this chat is logged right..? | 10:15 |
| fl33tingtime | link.... | 10:15 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, yes it is | 10:15 |
| fl33tingtime | for reference in email to mailinglist | 10:15 |
| fl33tingtime | btw, offtopic, any of you live in SAfrica? | 10:16 |
| fl33tingtime | or rather where are you.... im pretty new to Linux so i dont know most of the basic IRC hacks | 10:17 |
| dergringo | fl33tingtime: Well first of all it's a question of manpower (real manpower) I don't think that it's a quick one to dev an *whole* operating system in javascript | 10:17 |
| fl33tingtime | GUIS mostly - not whole OS | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | start with install trainer | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | dont do teh full thing | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | the* | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | in six months | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | linux kernel is still evolving and changing | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | licenses are changing | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | upgrade, add, incemrement.... long term | 10:18 |
| fl33tingtime | incremen*t | 10:19 |
| fl33tingtime | increment* | 10:19 |
| fl33tingtime | yuck, naim sux | 10:19 |
| fl33tingtime | ah and there is swfmill and there is gnash for the spoilt audiences | 10:20 |
| fl33tingtime | who want it in *flash* | 10:20 |
| fl33tingtime | seen cornelius and eyeos? | 10:20 |
| fl33tingtime | GPL | 10:20 |
| fl33tingtime | ready to use | 10:20 |
| dergringo | See what they can do... They are not able to simulate the linux kernel... | 10:21 |
| fl33tingtime | 100+ GUI widget libs ... several GPL 2+ "at ur option" | 10:21 |
| fl33tingtime | kernel not to be simulated today | 10:21 |
| fl33tingtime | today only installer | 10:21 |
| dergringo | An installer for what hardware? | 10:22 |
| fl33tingtime | that i sthe moreimportant one | 10:22 |
| fl33tingtime | right | 10:22 |
| fl33tingtime | ubuntu database of hardware (in)compatibilities | 10:22 |
| fl33tingtime | as input | 10:22 |
| dergringo | Well the hardware abstraction is done via the kernel... and there we are | 10:23 |
| fl33tingtime | to a mighty hack like launchpad | 10:23 |
| fl33tingtime | and output is the gui | 10:23 |
| fl33tingtime | for that test case | 10:23 |
| dergringo | The gui is not that much the problem | 10:23 |
| fl33tingtime | can i write this on some wiki page | 10:23 |
| fl33tingtime | and point you to there.... | 10:24 |
| fl33tingtime | rafb or sialbot or other pastebin... | 10:25 |
| fl33tingtime | which | 10:25 |
| fl33tingtime | is best? | 10:25 |
| beuno | fl33tingtime, use wiki.ubuntu.com | 10:25 |
| fl33tingtime | ok. | 10:25 |
| fl33tingtime | link to log of this discussion.... | 10:26 |
| dergringo | If every distro helps to get a minmal kernel simulation (in *WEB*) then it's a quick thing. But this is hard one... | 10:26 |
| === beuno can't see an installer actually reproducing the users actual experience in *any* way | ||
| dergringo | :) | 10:28 |
| fl33tingtime | "at least I tried" | 10:30 |
| fl33tingtime | no no not that bad actually, it *will* work | 10:30 |
| fl33tingtime | . | 11:04 |
| fl33tingtime | . | 11:04 |
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