[06:29] <mrevell> howdy everyone
[06:34] <mrevell> I have an exciting opportunity to help promote an event on Thursday :)
[06:39] <beuno> hey mrevell!
[06:40] <beuno> what would that be?
[06:43] <mrevell> hey beuno, I'm sure I saw someone with a very similar nick in another channel just now.
[06:43] <mrevell> beuno: It's the PPA and Ubuntu Packaging 101 session. I just wanted to get some advice from the Ubuntu marketing team to see where you think I should spread the word.
[06:44] <beuno> mrevell, freenode is crowded...
[06:44] <mrevell> beuno: (it was you, in ubuntu-fridge) :-)
[06:44] <beuno> mrevell, the UWN would seem ideal, but since it's in 2 days, doesn't seem likely
[06:45] <mrevell> beuno: Yeah, I'll add a report on it to UWN, along with links to logs and a request for people to tell us if they'd value a repeat.
[06:45] <beuno> mrevell, I'm thinking we could send an isolated email to the ubuntu-news ML, but I'm not sure if it's that Ubuntu-related
[06:46] <mrevell> beuno: It's all about Ubuntu packaging, so it is fairly Ubuntu related, I think. Your call, obviously.
[06:46] <beuno> oh, right, ubuntu packaging basics seems very much related
[06:47] <beuno> the -motu ML is an obvious target too
[06:47] <mrevell> Who runs the ubuntu-news ML?
[06:47] <beuno> mrevell, take a guess  :D
[06:47] <mrevell> hehe
[06:47] <mrevell> :)
[06:47] <beuno> hehehe
[06:48] <beuno> I wish I could go...  :(
[06:48] <mrevell> Oh, shame you can't. I'm sure we'll meet at some point, though,
[06:49] <mrevell> So, if I write something up, should I send it to you or direct to the list?
[06:49] <beuno> mrevell, send it to the list and ping me, I'll pass it through the filter
[06:49] <mrevell> thanks
[06:50] <beuno> mrevell, welcome :D
[07:02] <mrevell> beuno: done!
[07:05] <beuno> mrevell, hasn't apeared on the filter, did you send it to ubuntu-news?
[07:05] <mrevell> sent it to ubuntu-news@lists.ubuntu.com
[07:06] <beuno> mrevell, got it, it's approved
[07:06] <mrevell> beuno: I've just had a message saying it's waiting approval
[07:07] <mrevell> beuno: oh, great, thanks!
[07:08] <beuno> mrevell, at your service  :D
[07:09] <mrevell> :)
[07:13] <mrevell> beuno: Do you know how many people are on that list?
[07:13] <beuno> mrevell, 5967 members total
[07:13] <mrevell> beuno: Rocking :)
[07:14] <beuno> yeap yeap, a lot of people subscribed to that
[07:17] <mrevell> The mail has just hit my Gmail account. Cool. Thanks again for your help
[07:18] <beuno> mrevell, my pleasure
[09:00] <beuno> hey jenda!
[09:01] <jenda> aloha
[09:02] <beuno> how's it going?
[09:02] <jenda> beuno: bad :)
[09:03] <jenda> beuno: exam tomorrow and a mouth full of cold sores
[09:03] <beuno> jenda, I hear beer is good for that
[09:04] <jenda> beuno: for the exam? definitely. Don't you worry about me ;)
[09:04] <jenda> Highschool-class party tomorrow night, lawyer party on Thursday, pub-session on friday, Ubuntu-book meetup on saturday (in a pub)...
[09:05] <beuno> jenda, you sure know how to have fun...
[09:06] <jenda> beuno: oh no, that's work
[09:06] <jenda> beuno: I'm going hiking next week - that's fun :)
[09:06] <jenda> no beer there, though :(
[09:06] <beuno> jenda, where are you going?  Ukraine?
[09:07] <jenda> beuno: just Slovakia.
[09:08] <beuno> jenda, cool, hoe long?
[09:08] <beuno> s/hoe/how
[09:15] <jenda> beuno: either a week or just 3 days
[09:15] <jenda> beuno: depending on whether I go straight away, or if I'm too busy and hop on board on Wednesday.
[09:17] <beuno> jenda, good to see that you're keeping busy
[09:17] <jenda> beuno: oh, is it ;)
[09:17] <jenda> beuno: I'm still saving up for my trip to Argentina :D
[09:18] <jenda> beuno: a little bit of a setback being the fact that I'll have to pay about $1000 in taxes for that goddamn translation :(
[09:18] <beuno> jenda, great to hear, I'll be more then happy to take a vacation when you come visit
[09:19] <beuno> 1k for taxes???  really?
[09:19] <jenda> almost
[09:19] <jenda> I don't know the exact figure yet.
[09:37] <fl33tingtime> hello,is this the best place to ask for a new ubuntu-promotion related project/
[09:38] <fl33tingtime> ?*
[09:39] <fl33tingtime> anyone there?
[09:40] <jenda> fl33tingtime: yes, it's a good place. The mailing list would likely be a better place, though.
[09:41] <fl33tingtime> jenda: than, but emails are becoming fishier and phishier by the day
[09:41] <fl33tingtime> could you spare me a minute if you are someone with some authority ...kind of?
[09:41] <jenda> hehe
[09:42] <fl33tingtime> if not authority, integrity will also do :-)
[09:42] <mrevell> hi jenda
[09:42] <jenda> fl33tingtime: I'm sorry, but I am currently extremely busy. Just write it up in here and someone will notice it and answer soon enough :)
[09:42] <jenda> In fact, I might, because I suck at concentration :D
[09:46] <fl33tingtime> see , Mark17 found nothign wrong or troublesome with the #1 bug assigned to Mark shuttleworth
[09:46] <fl33tingtime> this was at #ubuntu
[09:46] <fl33tingtime> and then i read the whole long list of replies
[09:47] <fl33tingtime> and maybe then this might interest: http://savannah.gnu.org/task/?7027
[09:47] <fl33tingtime> if it is not already done
[09:48] <juliux> jenda, if you come to the next cebit in hannover/germany i have original cz beer for you,9
[09:48] <fl33tingtime> would be happy if you gave me a confirmation of having read anythign on that page...
[09:48] <beuno> fl33tingtime, I don't understand how those are related
[09:49] <fl33tingtime> beuno - if a web2.0 portal shows you how to install ubuntu and various packages
[09:49] <fl33tingtime> without actually touching linux at all
[09:49] <fl33tingtime> you get people who are extremely confident doing their first install
[09:49] <fl33tingtime> when they have rehearsed all the possible failure scenarios
[09:50] <beuno> fl33tingtime, right, I understand, what is your proposal then?
[09:50] <fl33tingtime> one a *fake* ubuntu installer available on-demand
[09:50] <fl33tingtime> no download, no install, practice practice practice tillallyour irelessd reiver problems get fixed
[09:50] <fl33tingtime> wireless*
[09:50] <fl33tingtime> driver*
[09:50] <fl33tingtime> on a fake system!
[09:51] <fl33tingtime> fakubuntu.com!
[09:51] <beuno> isn't that what a live cd is for?
[09:51] <fl33tingtime> fake-ubuntu.com is better ;-)
[09:51] <fl33tingtime> people dont know how to change the boot sequence
[09:51] <fl33tingtime> to cdrom
[09:51] <fl33tingtime> ground facts
[09:52] <beuno> fl33tingtime, the problem is that you can't know the persons hardware via a web browser
[09:52] <fl33tingtime> last mile problems not known to developers - only to embarassed marketers like me
[09:52] <dergringo> Is anyone at the openexpo in zurich (ch) ?
[09:52] <fl33tingtime> you dont even try to
[09:52] <fl33tingtime> you present a comprehensive set of possibilities
[09:52] <beuno> fl33tingtime, as in "possible problems"?
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> just pick up the hardware compatibility lists from your real ubuntu knowledgebase
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> and fake them on web2.0
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> no a single real disk is touched
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> not*
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> anywhere in the world
[09:53] <beuno> fl33tingtime, I understand the advantages, I just can't understand how it would work
[09:53] <fl33tingtime> everyone trains over and over on the trainubuntu site
[09:54] <beuno> you can't know what will actually happen when the user puts in the cdrom to install
[09:54] <beuno> so you have no real way of making them go through the experience beforehan
[09:54] <fl33tingtime> like google docs does, thinkfreeoffice does, zoho crm does, zoho vitrual office does
[09:54] <beuno> *beforehand
[09:54] <fl33tingtime> and m$ live does
[09:55] <fl33tingtime> they all are web ibterface to real apps
[09:55] <fl33tingtime> interfaces*
[09:55] <beuno> fl33tingtime, then you would propose a working Ubuntu copy, not the installer, right?
[09:55] <fl33tingtime> sure each system is different,
[09:55] <fl33tingtime> but if you list all the system posibilities, you have a real nice fake
[09:55] <fl33tingtime> to train on
[09:56] <fl33tingtime> and the data needed is all there with you in the real knowledgebase, bugtracker etc
[09:56] <beuno> right, that sounds much better, although it's a tremendouse amount of work to do every 6 months, maybe it could be done just for LTS
[09:56] <fl33tingtime> btw, call me ft is fl33tingtime is long ;-)
[09:56] <fl33tingtime> ft
[09:57] <beuno> you will need a lot of man power to get that done
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> LTS==?
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> not as much as you think
[09:57] <beuno> fl33tingtime, I don't mind, tab button es my friend
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> a script coudl do many things 
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> ok :-)
[09:57] <beuno> fl33tingtime, LTS == Long Term Support  (Dapper Drake 6.06 at the moment)
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> see ubotu
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> its a cool hack
[09:57] <fl33tingtime> ok
[09:58] <fl33tingtime> "graphical ubotu"
[09:58] <fl33tingtime> bingo
[09:58] <beuno> fl33tingtime, well, now you just need to find a way to actually do it  :D
[09:58] <beuno> mailing list is probably the best way to recruit people for ir
[09:58] <beuno> sum it up nicely, maybe even set up a wiki page under wiki.ubuntu.com
[09:59] <dergringo> you want to build up a web based ubuntu?
[09:59] <fl33tingtime> beuno .... :-)
[09:59] <fl33tingtime> build a web based installation traniner for ubuntu with no real ubuntu behind it anywhere
[10:00] <fl33tingtime> does not even need to be run on a LAMP stack, fwiw!
[10:00] <beuno> fl33tingtime, again, I don't think an installer is the way to go, a working system would
[10:00] <fl33tingtime> ok
[10:00] <beuno> every instalation is either *the same* or *dramatically different*
[10:01] <dergringo> A working system would be a LOT of hard work ;)
[10:01] <fl33tingtime> sigma(dramatically diff) --> big list-> all ready , on-demand
[10:01] <fl33tingtime> i know
[10:01] <beuno> dergringo, yes it would  :D
[10:01] <fl33tingtime> would help other distros as well ;-)
[10:02] <fl33tingtime> so its not onyl your ubuntu team that will help out
[10:02] <fl33tingtime> and there are L O T S of web2.0 coders out there with itching palms, i assure
[10:02] <jenda> juliux: when is it?
[10:02] <juliux> jenda, in march next year
[10:03] <juliux> jenda, but i am living now in hannover
[10:03] <jenda> juliux: I might.
[10:03] <dergringo> Well yes... I would help but you need a few hundreds of people :D
[10:03] <fl33tingtime> beuno: ill send a mail to mailing list
[10:03] <beuno> fl33tingtime, go for it!
[10:03] <fl33tingtime> since it seems worth discussing after all...
[10:04] <fl33tingtime> do ou know of a decent free webhost for lamp ?
[10:04] <fl33tingtime> you*
[10:04] <beuno> fl33tingtime, not really, no
[10:04] <fl33tingtime> a few ads is ok
[10:05] <fl33tingtime> i'm not so rich , yknow ;-) ;-) 
[10:05] <fl33tingtime> somwehere to show a prototype....
[10:05] <jenda> hehe
[10:05] <jenda> fl33tingtime: I certainly recommend fake-ubuntu over fakubuntu :D
[10:05] <fl33tingtime> lol
[10:06] <beuno> well, it depends how much press you want...   :p
[10:06] <fl33tingtime> trainubuntu....  
[10:06] <fl33tingtime> :-)
[10:06] <dergringo> virtbuntu
[10:06] <fl33tingtime> the power of collective thought! ;-)
[10:07] <jenda> nobuntu :)
[10:07] <fl33tingtime> ODubuntu - On demand ubuntu
[10:09] <dergringo> mybuntu (to keep align web20) ;9
[10:09] <fl33tingtime> btw, will this affect anybody's jobs anywhere?
[10:09] <fl33tingtime> like people make money out of installing linux....
[10:09] <fl33tingtime> so if users can train themselves....
[10:09] <fl33tingtime> these guys dont knwo what to do
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> for an earning
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> is that a large number of people?
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> her in India, it is just fine
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> here*
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> people always want quick easy money
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> so they'll b ehappy
[10:10] <dergringo> I think this is comparable to an online tutorial
[10:10] <fl33tingtime> roughly
[10:11] <dergringo> Personal teaching will always be better ;)
[10:11] <fl33tingtime> which is why this last thought
[10:11] <fl33tingtime> tldp, linux questions, linuxjournal, ubuntu support
[10:11] <fl33tingtime> all *could* (n * maybe) be affected
[10:12] <fl33tingtime> or they could integrate with iframes :-)
[10:12] <fl33tingtime> hack upon hack!
[10:12] <fl33tingtime> so ad revenure for them stays
[10:12] <fl33tingtime> and ubuntu gets a back up trainer
[10:13] <fl33tingtime> on demand
[10:13] <fl33tingtime> out of every 100 installs, my guesstimate is that about 40 will go smoothly because of this trainer
[10:13] <fl33tingtime> the other 60 will .... add to the dramatically dofferent list ... hehe
[10:14] <fl33tingtime> different*
[10:14] <fl33tingtime> tipping point economics... is that the word....
[10:15] <fl33tingtime> this chat is logged right..?
[10:15] <fl33tingtime> link....
[10:15] <beuno> fl33tingtime, yes it is
[10:15] <fl33tingtime> for reference in email to mailinglist
[10:16] <fl33tingtime> btw, offtopic, any of you live in SAfrica?
[10:17] <fl33tingtime> or rather where are you.... im pretty new to Linux so i dont know most of the basic IRC hacks
[10:17] <dergringo> fl33tingtime: Well first of all it's a question of manpower (real manpower) I don't think that it's a quick one to dev an *whole* operating system in javascript
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> GUIS mostly - not whole OS
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> start with install trainer
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> dont do teh full thing
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> the*
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> in six months
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> linux kernel is still evolving and changing
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> licenses are changing
[10:18] <fl33tingtime> upgrade, add, incemrement.... long term
[10:19] <fl33tingtime> incremen*t
[10:19] <fl33tingtime> increment*
[10:19] <fl33tingtime> yuck, naim sux
[10:20] <fl33tingtime> ah and there is swfmill and there is gnash for the spoilt audiences
[10:20] <fl33tingtime> who want it in *flash*
[10:20] <fl33tingtime> seen cornelius and eyeos?
[10:20] <fl33tingtime> GPL
[10:20] <fl33tingtime> ready to use
[10:21] <dergringo> See what they can do... They are not able to simulate the linux kernel... 
[10:21] <fl33tingtime> 100+ GUI widget libs ... several GPL 2+ "at ur option"
[10:21] <fl33tingtime> kernel not to be simulated today
[10:21] <fl33tingtime> today only installer
[10:22] <dergringo> An installer for what hardware?
[10:22] <fl33tingtime> that i sthe moreimportant one
[10:22] <fl33tingtime> right
[10:22] <fl33tingtime> ubuntu database of hardware (in)compatibilities
[10:22] <fl33tingtime> as input
[10:23] <dergringo> Well the hardware abstraction is done via the kernel... and there we are
[10:23] <fl33tingtime> to a mighty hack like launchpad  
[10:23] <fl33tingtime> and output is the gui
[10:23] <fl33tingtime> for that test case
[10:23] <dergringo> The gui is not that much the problem
[10:23] <fl33tingtime>  can i write this on some wiki page
[10:24] <fl33tingtime> and point you to there....
[10:25] <fl33tingtime> rafb or sialbot or other pastebin...
[10:25] <fl33tingtime> which
[10:25] <fl33tingtime> is best?
[10:25] <beuno> fl33tingtime, use wiki.ubuntu.com
[10:25] <fl33tingtime> ok.
[10:26] <fl33tingtime> link to log of this discussion....
[10:26] <dergringo> If every distro helps to get a minmal kernel simulation (in *WEB*) then it's a quick thing. But this is hard one...
[10:28] <dergringo> :)
[10:30] <fl33tingtime> "at least I tried"
[10:30] <fl33tingtime> no no not that bad actually, it *will* work
[11:04] <fl33tingtime> .
[11:04] <fl33tingtime> .