=== RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving."] === finalbeta [n=viper@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] ScottK: What needs ppc testing? [12:59] Hey folks. === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-baf67ad32e43f85d] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=and@ubuntu/member/bluekuja] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-170.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:45] Any core devs around? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:50] TheMuso: depends [01:52] ajmitch: heh. If you or anybody else is not busy, I'd *really* appreciae it if you wouldn't mind doing a no change rebuild upload for gnome-speech, to be built against the new espeak that was uploaded, and has an API change? === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:01] TheMuso: sorry, just heading out now, will be back in an hour or so :) === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-7fb0536255205c3c] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === begert [n=booga@cpe-74-74-217-64.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mayeco [n=mayeco@201.218.112.253] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:17] ajmitch: np, as I said, only if you aren't busy. === mok0 [n=mok@56347b3e.rev.stofanet.dk] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD_ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD_ is now known as RobinD === leone1 [n=leonel@189.155.182.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1_ [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:58] Heya [03:00] Hey bddebian [03:01] Hello TheMuso [03:04] Hmm, who took openser off of Lucas's FTBFS list? === valles [n=valles@200.71.131.18] has joined #ubuntu-motu === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-5f9375bdeb89ce85] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] Dang, where is everyone tonight? [03:34] Why do we have octave2.1-forge and octave2.9-forge === leone1 is now known as leonel === RobinD_ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy is now known as zakame === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp108-61.static.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:56] TheMuso: There's a propsed elcipse fix for ppc and lpia attached to (I think) the lpia ftbfs bug. [04:58] ScottK: Hah, I say. My desk *is* messy. === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:03] ScottK: Does that also remove the Depends on ecj-bootstrap-gcj? [05:03] Ah two of my favorite gentlemen :-) [05:04] Someone noticed me, guess it's time to bail. [05:05] pfft [05:08] Oh, that's a good sign in the debian/changelog. [05:08] * Made this junk work again, reluctantly remain maintainer (Closes: #423244) [05:09] heh, nice one [05:09] Which package is that? [05:09] ikvm [05:10] Ah are you working on the FTBFS list? [05:10] Which has this gem: [05:10] % ls -lh | tr -s ' ' | cut -d\ -f5,8 | grep gz [05:10] 11M ikvm_0.34.0.2-1.diff.gz [05:10] 6.0M ikvm_0.34.0.2.orig.tar.gz [05:10] Hah, even better [05:11] Actually, I'm looking at ikvm, so I can pull it off the NBS list. [05:11] I'm seeing if it builds, so I can pester ScottK about a UVFe [05:11] Lucas's list? [05:11] Nope, pitti's [05:11] Gah, too many damn lists :-) === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:13] LaserJock: Thanks for posting the interview. :-) [05:14] no problem, thanks for answering the questions [05:14] Now to just get back my lost respect. === luisbg [n=d33p@128.144.217.87.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:16] ScottK: Ok thanks heaps. Will look in a bit. === StevenK sighs. [05:17] "Do the following questions, from the following pages: Chapter 18, w179" [05:17] And page 179 is in chapter 4, sigh [05:19] Grr, damnit === apachelogger__ [n=me@N768P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === leonel [n=leonel@189.155.182.18] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === AstralJava [n=jaska@e82-103-217-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:22] ScottK: How much disk space does eclipse require to build? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === nealmcb [n=neal@wikipedia/nealmcb] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === lando [n=lando@adsl-074-236-035-138.sip.mia.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:18] Good morning! [07:21] morning? [07:22] At least European one. :) [07:23] Good $TOD LaserJock === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xstasi [n=xstasi@85-18-14-24.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:34] Hey Whoopie! [07:34] asisak: Hi! === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:43] is there anything special that needs to be done to run a .jar ? [07:44] java -jar file.jar [07:44] Or what do you mean? [07:44] well, that's a start :-) [07:46] LaserJock: Usually, the .jar file will contain one or more .class files, and you need to throw the class name to java, along with the jar file. [07:46] Unless the application creator was clever enough to provide necessary startup information in the jar :) === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Chris [n=chris@unaffiliated/chris] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:51] it's part of coreutils === Chris [n=chris@unaffiliated/chris] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === kompozer [n=kaze@AGrenoble-152-1-39-79.w82-122.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:55] that was a useful comment === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-024-233.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:56] lol [07:57] hi ajmitch [07:58] Why does REVU think that http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=223 does not need more love? === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-27468593ebf18b77] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou [n=Patrice@81.185.183.148] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:01] Good Morning :) === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-26-183.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:11] hello LaserJock === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === xopher [n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=micke@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 wonders why we dont use a newer version of csound in gutsy? [08:34] !info csound gutsy [08:34] csound: powerful and versatile sound synthesis software. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:4.23f13-1.1 (gutsy), package size 3242 kB, installed size 8008 kB (Only available for arm armeb armel hppa hurd-i386 i386 kfreebsd-i386 m32r m68k mips mipsel powerpc ppc64 s390 s390x sh3 sh3eb sh4 sh4eb sparc) === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@host26-205-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Le-Chuck_ITA [n=Le-Chuck@host26-205-dynamic.16-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-010-202.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === BugMaN [n=BugMaN@nat.cabi.uniroma1.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cavedon [n=cavedon@83.103.127.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F728F9.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [09:25] hi dholbach [09:25] GOOD MORNING [09:25] hey ajmitch [09:25] is it that good a morning dholbach? [09:25] jussi01: YEAH :-) [09:26] how are y'all doing? :) [09:26] Im doing good. and you? [09:26] I'm out of coffee, but apart from that everything is good. [09:26] (obvious one) [09:26] hehe :) [09:27] I'm fine thanks === jussi01 hands soren a packet of coffee [09:27] \o/ === elkbuntu hands soren a caffeine IV [09:27] lol === soren runds around in circles [09:27] runs, even. === jussi01 starts to get excited by: http://linuxmce.com/ [09:29] very cool. [09:29] Linux MCE is .... interesting. [09:30] StevenK: what is that supposed to mean... [09:30] jussi01: That I think it's crap, but that everyone else is entitled to their own opinion. [09:30] StevenK: ok, fair enough. can you back that up with reason? [09:31] jussi01: Certainly. It doesn't support TV out sanely enough, it takes about 15 minutes to actually boot, and it wants to be in complete control of your network. [09:32] StevenK: ahhh, see thats why I actually mentioned it here. I was hoping someone would tell me all the "bad stuff". :) [09:33] StevenK: control of your network? how? [09:34] tonyyarusso: It runs dhcpd, with no way of turning it off, and sets itself as the default gateway. [09:35] :S [09:35] :( === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === yamal [n=yamal@unaffiliated/yamal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu === damir_1105 [n=root@91.191.27.102] has joined #ubuntu-motu === marcel__ [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cavedon [n=cavedon@83.103.127.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F7425C.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@251.139-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === pochu [n=emilio@84.Red-83-57-218.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cavedon_ [n=cavedon@130.192.225.200] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === cassidy [n=cassidy@251.139-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jono [n=jono@88-107-83-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy [n=proppy@ram94-2-82-66-68-232.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === proppy hugs dholbach === proppy hugs ScottK === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === dholbach hugs proppy back :) === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:11] ScottK: dholbach: I opened a separate bug for poker-network mysql installation issue [11:11] proppy: ok [11:11] Should we continue the discution here ? [11:11] Bug #138836 [11:11] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 [11:11] better to have it in the bug report [11:11] so everybody can follow up there [11:11] ok [11:12] I also commented [11:12] the initial bug report [11:12] great [11:12] which was about poker2d crashin at startup [11:12] Can we get the fix about the bug Released ? [11:13] once we have made the necessary verification [11:13] can't we fix both bugs in one upload? [11:13] While I'm working on the second issue [11:13] dunno, but the bugs are not really related [11:13] I was sure I will be able to fix a python crash problem [11:13] I'm not really in the packaging thing [11:14] so I'm not sure I'll be able to fix the mysql problem in time [11:14] but at least I can work on it [11:14] And you're last comment is very inspiring :) [11:15] hehe [11:16] can you forward it to the new bug [11:16] or do you mind if I update the description with it [11:16] yeah, just update it, that'S fine === jekil [n=alessand@host33-208-dynamic.58-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:22] Installing a gutsy chroot and try to reproduce the bug [11:22] My guess is that the issue is the following: === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu [11:23] as you've highlighted it the package does not depend upon mysql [11:23] It's only suggested [11:23] the fact is that you don't need mysql, If you answer "no" to debconf question [11:23] but you need it if you answer "yes" === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ibalon [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === MLP [i=131905@buri.ifi.uio.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluekuja [n=and@host17-238-dynamic.6-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kai[sds] [n=schroed@pptp-212-201-78-119.pptp.stw-bonn.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Ibalon is now known as zakame === cavedon [n=cavedon@83.103.127.223] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mok0 [n=mok@ghost.imsb.au.dk] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thoreauputic [i=peter@ubuntu/member/thoreauputic] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === pygi [n=mario@83-131-18-207.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:51] dholbach: ScottK: Bug #138836 updated [12:51] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 [12:52] proppy: so with a depends on dbconfig-common it works fine? [12:53] I don't understand cause the depend seems here [12:54] maybe it needs to be a pre-depends? [12:54] letme update it [12:54] it > the bug report [12:55] what is pre-depends ? [12:55] super, thanks [12:55] a package that needs to be installed before the installation of the other package is attempted [12:57] I will try Pre-depends [12:57] I'm not able to reproduce ScottK error anymore [12:58] I've to reset my chroot [12:59] It would be nice to be able to fork bug reproducing environment of someone else [01:02] The Pre-Depends are already configured before the package gets installed. Depends are installed but not necessarily configured. [01:04] What would be an example of a time when pre-depends would be required? [01:04] If the preinstall script need some special binary [01:04] s/need/needs === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:07] dholbach: something more making the upload worthful? [01:07] mok0: so this one http://paste.ubuntu.com/118/ [01:08] needs dbconfig-common as Pre-depends [01:08] ? === _MMA1 [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] bug #138836 updated feel free to share your knowledge :) [01:10] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 === tmarble [n=tmarble@user-38q4et6.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:12] Nafallo: hm? === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === norsetto [n=Cesare@host179-234-dynamic.9-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] 13:23 #ubuntu-motu: < \sh> dholbach, ping bug 138225 is already in gajim bzr ubuntu tree...nafallo is just waiting for upload [01:19] Launchpad bug 138225 in gajim "clean install of gutsy and gajim throws a gnomekeyring.DeniedError" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138225 [01:19] 14:52 #ubuntu-motu: < dholbach> \sh: do you know what Nafallo is waiting for? === apachelogger_ [n=me@N726P011.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] Nafallo: oh, I thought it was good enough to go already [01:20] <\sh> Nafallo, what could be more worthful? [01:20] <\sh> Nafallo, give me a hint, I'll have a look and try to fix ;) [01:21] <\sh> Nafallo, this cpu utilization problem is out of the way, I think it's a local problem on the reporters side... === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:23] <\sh> jono, congrats to have whiprush on board... [01:23] <\sh> jono & dholbach better to say [01:23] \sh: :) === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:26] <\sh> Nafallo, bug 138528 updated with some more infos...when it's updated *wait* [01:26] Launchpad bug 138528 in gajim "gajim systray menu status changes have no effect" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138528 === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:28] \sh: sorry, right now I have no time. we had a fibre break between two DCs last night... [01:28] \sh: so I did not get much sleep [01:28] <\sh> Nafallo, I know how you feel :) === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:35] norsetto: hi [01:35] proppy: hey proppy === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] norsetto: Nice work on poker-network [01:42] norsetto: I've separated the issue in two bug reports as you suggested [01:42] proppy: ok, thx [01:44] norsetto: #bug 138836 [01:44] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 [01:46] proppy: thats good, because I might not have the time to look into that this week, and next week I'm out === gouki [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:48] TheMuso: Dunno how much space eclipse actually takes to build. The tarball is 150mb. [01:48] Need some help. Does every patch in debian/patches/ directory get applied automatically when I do apt-get source packagename? [01:48] I think, we only need to add a Pre-depends as dholbach suggested, I'm trying it right know [01:48] but re-building gutsy chroot again and again take a long time [01:49] slytherin: no, that's usually done by a target in debian/rules [01:51] proppy: If you read the Debian policy statements on pre-depends they seem to work pretty hard to get you to avoid it. [01:51] let me google this === freeflying [i=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:53] proppy: Would it be enough to test for the existence of /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/postrm.mysql and then not try to call it if it doesn't exist? [01:54] dholbach: Do you have a moment for a PM? [01:54] Good morning all. [01:54] ScottK: sure [01:54] scottK: hi scott [01:55] ScottK: maybe I'm trying to re-set up an environment to reproduce the bug right know [01:55] geser: Ok. I am trying to debug what the issue is with nautilus-sendto package. It doesn't show pidgin as option. There seems to be more than one problem. [01:56] ScottK: as you pasted it in your comments, pre install Can't open /usr/share/dbconfig-common/dpkg/config.mysql either === jdstrand [n=jamie@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:00] proppy: I'm not a mysql expert, so I just copy/paste that stuff. [02:05] ScottK: I'm not a packaging export either :) === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:06] I'll go ask in #ubuntu-server if someone can help us. [02:08] I don't really know what the usual pratices are when depending on on a database installation [02:08] because the database can be on another host, [02:08] so you can't really hard-depends on mysql === freeflying [i=freeflyi@211.103.244.55] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:08] can somebody check why it was not possible to upload a new dkms package to revu? (http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=189) [02:09] I believe that's why the debian maintainer of this package use a lot of debconf dbconfig thing to ask the user about mysql configuration [02:09] dholbach: hm? [02:10] dholbach: there are 2 versions later than that URL [02:10] dholbach: is http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=228 not the correct one? [02:10] ah ok, that's the good one [02:10] fine [02:10] thanks Hobbsee [02:11] dholbach: no problem. youd' not selected the bottom version of the fiel [02:13] Where can I suggest changes to Build:Depends of a package? This is related to nautilus-sendto [02:14] slytherin: What specificall (I just updated that one last week)? [02:15] specifically... === pochu [n=emilio@84.Red-83-57-218.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] ScottK: I saw the changelog. The pidgin plugin is not built. Looks like you also need to add libpurple-dev to build-depends. Also the patch for replacing gaim_debug-info does not seem to be applied. [02:16] I see. [02:16] Do you know the changes that need to be made? [02:16] ScottK: I just tried manual compilation of nautilus-sendto. It need pidgin-dev as well as libpurple-dev. [02:17] The thing that is the most likely to get results is to make a revised package, file a bug in LP, attach a debdiff, and subscribe ubuntu-main-sponsors (that package is in Main). [02:18] If you don't know enough to do that, then file a bug that explains what you know. [02:18] I was only interested in it because I was killing of an rdepends on sylpheed-claws so we could remove it from the archives. [02:18] ScottK: I am in office. No GPG key. Also I have never used cdbs. :-( I will add information to existing bug which was reopened. [02:18] OK. [02:20] Hobbsee: we did 2 UVF request. One for Gabble .11 and the second for .14 [02:21] ah, right. [02:22] we never requested .13 which was the sucking version (our fault) [02:23] OK. [02:23] Looking at the changelog diff... === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:24] It looks like the Sept 5 changelog entries relate to the vcard regression. Is that right? [02:25] cassidy: ^^^ [02:25] seems so [02:25] ScottK: If using cdbs for building package, when are patches in debian/patches actually applied? === alex-weej [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:25] slytherin: Not sure what you mean. [02:26] but other patchs are harmless, really === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:26] ScottK: Leave it for now. [02:26] slytherin: OK. [02:27] bigon: there are questions for you on the MC ML sometime, btw [02:27] cassidy: From my perspective as a person that has to approve the UVFe, you had a bad release with a significant regression and so now you've fixed the regression plus other stuff. [02:28] I don't know you or your project, I just know this one instance. [02:28] ScottK: I have added info to bug 134945 [02:28] Launchpad bug 134945 in nautilus-sendto "nautilus sendto + pidgin" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/134945 [02:28] So I'd feel more comfortable with just fixing the regression and avoiding the other stuff. [02:29] slytherin: That's probably the best you can do unless you can prepare a debdiff yourself. [02:29] I understand, but I think it's extra useless work to patch current pkg just to remove some trivial patchs [02:30] I can understand that perspective. [02:30] ScottK: Will do in few days. :-) === Pumpernickel [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [02:32] ScottK: but on balance, how many people use telepathy* at all and how many use it for the latest featuers, vs the most stable version? [02:33] We are ~ a month from release. I think it's really time to focus on getting stuff as functional as possible. [02:33] <\sh> when is lucas doing a new universe archive rebuild? [02:34] ScottK: true, but in the cases where we do want the latest crack, no matter the stability... [02:34] it's more a question of whether this is one or not [02:34] dholbach: bug 138083, you are the maintainer, can i make new package version directly from debian version (http://packages.debian.org/sid/gnome-specimen) ? [02:34] Launchpad bug 138083 in gnome-specimen "[Gutsy] Gnome-specimen new upstream version available 0.3.1" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138083 [02:35] of course, it would be nice, if we didnt have to choose, but... [02:36] <\sh> oh descisions what to include just before release are quite nice...you have a bug fixed with new upstream release, and 10 bugs opened with new upstream release...(regarding wine hehe) === zul [n=chuck@ubuntu/member/zul] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:37] \sh: urg. what's the situation with that/ [02:37] moring [02:37] zul: moring [02:37] i thought we decided a couple of releases ago that wine really shouldnt be in ubuntu [02:37] hiya zul! [02:38] hey Hobbsee [02:38] Hobbsee: We did? [02:38] StevenK: we certainly talked about it. [02:38] <\sh> Hobbsee, well, I had the situation during breezy or dapper I think...I had to decide if we take new crack from wine upstream or stay with a little broken wine [02:38] Then again, I can't talk, I'm running the winehq .deb's [02:38] \sh: personally, i'd always like the latest crack w.r.t wine. [02:38] <\sh> Hobbsee, wine is in ubuntu and will stay :) [02:39] cassidy: The short version I think is that motu-uvf has 5 people and you only need to convince 2. I'm probably not the person most likely to be converted. === minghua [i=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:39] \sh: i'm assuming you'll stick wine into a ppa, and keep updating it? [02:39] Hobbsee: Sill no UVFe filed for the wine package on REVU. [02:39] cassidy: motu-uvf is always open for bribes. Certain people only, of course. [02:39] <\sh> Hobbsee, nope...hopefully scott ritchie is going to be a motu and take over all this crap.. [02:40] <\sh> ScottK, forget about wine on revu... [02:40] ScottK: i'm happy to blanket UVFe it, if someone wants to file an exception. [02:40] \sh: heh, i thought you were === StevenK idly wonders about convincing Hobbsee and ScottK about ikvm. [02:41] <\sh> Hobbsee, I did take over the wine reponsibility because I was the idiot who took sabdfls calls to include winehq wine ;) === ScottK idly wonders what ikvm is? [02:41] \sh: ahhh. " You Poor Bastard" [02:41] ScottK: Java -> .NET [02:41] <\sh> Hobbsee, I never expected, that wine was sooo alpha these days..well, now I'm 2 years older and 2 years more wise ,-) [02:41] :) [02:42] \sh: yeah, i've always found it a little too tempramental [02:42] ScottK: as Hobbsee said, most of telepathy users are interested in it for testing and it would be a shame if we'll have to reject all vcard related bugs from Ubuntu users because we know they are using a crap version [02:42] And let's face it, wine is now two years more vintage... === StevenK ducks. [02:42] cassidy: are you guys going to fix all the bugs that are recorded against telepathy*? [02:42] cassidy: up until release? [02:42] <\sh> StevenK, high noon .. we will meet ,-) [02:42] cassidy: Then do a patch. [02:42] \sh: :-P [02:43] cassidy: Threatening to ignore bugs from Ubuntu users is not the way to convince me. === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:43] Or me, for that matter. [02:43] cassidy: FYI, StevenK was one of the other people you had a shot at convincing. [02:43] <\sh> but I could do a fast wine 0.9.44 upgrade and file an UVF E-report just to assign all the bugs to you [02:44] Hobbsee: we are doing your best but I can't promise anything [02:44] cassidy: of course, the quality of the packages that you end up giving us directly corresponds to the user opinion of the stability of your software [02:45] it works both wyas there [02:45] as in, if you say to us "please take the latest version", and it has major regressions, then that's going to have an impact on your userbase's opinions about it [02:45] ScottK: I'm not threatening anyone. I just want to avoid to have to deal with useless bug reports [02:46] Hobbsee: we *never* asked you to ship .13 (the broken version)... [02:46] cassidy: You released it. [02:47] cassidy: apologies, i dont follow telepathy terribly closely, so dont know the specifics [02:47] <\sh> what about backporting the patches from .14 to .13 and fixing the bugs instead of adding new bugs with .14? === Hobbsee wonders if .13 came due to a sync request, or was from teh autosync. [02:47] yeah, and it was a mistake. We are sorry about that [02:47] \sh: That's what I'm arguing for. [02:47] and then we release .14 one or 2 days later to fix it [02:47] Hobbsee: bigon asked for a sync from Debian. [02:47] but, it now is obsolete code, and so any other bugs discovered in .13, that are not in .14 wont get fixe.d [02:48] ScottK: ah, noted. i thougth bigon was in touch with cassidy === fernando [n=fernando@unaffiliated/musb] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:48] (and that this stuff would have been picked up on reasonably quickly) [02:48] No, that's wrong. [02:49] It was uploaded directly to Ubuntu. [02:50] oh, this was the fakesync? or this was something that never hit debian? [02:50] .13 was in Debian, we just didn't get it from there. [02:50] ScottK: I asked a sync for the .12 release not the .13 [02:50] Yes. I see that now. [02:50] moin all [02:50] bigon: Was it you that had 13-0ubuntu1 uploaded? [02:51] ScottK: nop [02:51] Who is Adilson Oliveira ? [02:51] That's who's listed in .changes. [02:51] ScottK: mobile guy [02:52] Ah hah. [02:52] Well then I'd say he can patch it. === toutouff [n=nicolas@gov91-1-82-234-90-217.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:52] sec, i'll speak to him [02:52] cassidy avoids useless work and we don't ship with a regression. [02:53] <\sh> hmmm..this sounds like "He said Jehovah" [02:54] Hobbsee: I know cassidy personally, we were both in the same class in university [02:54] bigon: apologies, i thought you'd asked for this request === ScottK too. Sorry about that. === \sh wants to have his old mouse speed back,...and key repeats [02:58] dholbach: ScottK: I've splitted poker-network bug report as norsetto suggested, I'm about to post a debdiff resolving the Pre-Depends problems, should it be based on released ubuntu1, merged with norsetto's non-released-yet ubuntu2 patch (from the previous bug report), or published in a fresh new ubuntu3 ? [02:59] proppy: Do one debdiff that solves both bugs and call it ubuntu2. [02:59] ok [03:00] cassidy: what are you planning to introduce, in the next couple of weeks, for telepathy*? [03:00] Hobbsee, Scott: no problem :) [03:00] Hobbsee: Which parts? There are lot of components: gabble, salut, empathy... [03:00] cassidy: all of it, i guess. [03:00] ... fama :) [03:01] wha more uvfs? [03:01] pygi: hehe :) [03:01] Hobbsee: I will answer your mail on MC, but now I need to go out [03:01] Hobbsee: I'm personally working for the OLPC and are now in bug fixing mode for next release [03:01] cassidy: just wondering if we'll get another uvfe, and if we do, how safe it will be to improve [03:01] cassidy: right, OK [03:02] Hobbsee: shouldn't be [03:02] er, s/improve/approve/ [03:02] bigon: that's fine === slytherin [n=Salazar@pdpc/supporter/base/slytherin] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [03:02] hopefully next gabble should have tubes support, definitely not a trivial release [03:02] so Gutsy +1 [03:02] right, cool [03:03] don't know plans for Empathy but I don't think it will be shipped in Gutsy either [03:03] current work is refactoring + voip [03:03] voip/video [03:04] cool [03:04] Hobbsee: Did you get a hold of Adilson? [03:04] ScottK: partially, he's on the phone. [03:04] OK. [03:10] norsetto: ping [03:10] proppy: pong [03:11] norsetto: you said that my previous debdiff didn't apply, is this the correct command to generate one : debdiff poker-network_1.1.1-1ubuntu1.dsc poker-network_1.1.1-1ubuntu2.dsc [03:11] ? [03:12] proppy: yes [03:12] ok [03:12] let's try again === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:12] proppy: let me know where/when you upload it so I can check [03:13] ok === AlinuxOS [n=vsichi@host57-130-dynamic.1-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:19] norsetto: #138836 #137573 [03:20] norsetto: bug #138836 bug #137573 [03:20] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 [03:20] Launchpad bug 137573 in poker-network "poker2d crash (SIGSEGV) at startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137573 [03:22] debdiff uploaded === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-c3555503e89781a6] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:26] proppy: the one in bug 137573 applies correctly and debuild produces a correct .dsc; didn't check it with pbuilder though [03:26] Launchpad bug 137573 in poker-network "poker2d crash (SIGSEGV) at startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137573 [03:27] ok thanks [03:27] dholbach: ping [03:27] Hobbsee: pong [03:28] ScottK: dholbach: Feel free to review bug #138836 and bug #137573 when you're are available [03:28] Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836 [03:28] Launchpad bug 137573 in poker-network "poker2d crash (SIGSEGV) at startup" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137573 [03:28] proppy: it installs fine in a chroot now? [03:29] yep, if you install required dependencies when dpkg ask to [03:29] and answer no to mysql related question it does installs fine === lionel [n=lionel@ip-149.net-89-3-208.rev.numericable.fr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:29] Let me try another time :) [03:31] Is there a way to install only the dependencies of one package ? [03:31] or should I grep control ? === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso [n=luke@ubuntu/member/themuso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === evand [n=evand@ubuntu/member/evand] has joined #ubuntu-motu === imtheface [n=andy@ubuntu/member/imtheface] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-motu === mr_pouit [n=mrpouit@ubuntu/member/mrpouit] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] congratulations bluekuja [03:34] ScottK: StevenK zul soren ping [03:35] Hobbsee: yessssss [03:35] dholbach: dpkg -i *.deb now produce http://paste.ubuntu.com/121/ instead of http://paste.ubuntu.com/118/ [03:36] zul: right, there's one [03:36] proppy: right [03:37] then apt-get -f install [03:37] install missing dbconfig-common [03:38] and then dpkg -i *.deb install poker-web correctly if you answer "No" to database related debconf questions [03:38] (which are not the default answers) [03:41] Hobbsee: Yes? [03:41] right, now we have 2 === Hobbsee waits for StevenK [03:42] Hobbsee: Hum? [03:43] dholbach: You still have to provide mysql information somehow, for the package to be fully functionnal, but at least now, it does output debconf human readable message, instead of a dpkg criptic error message. [03:45] Hobbsee: What's up? [03:46] proppy: It's better to get the installation finished with some additional configuration required than to end up in an unistallable state. [03:46] ScottK: StevenK zul right. [03:47] i've now found the cause of the mess. [03:48] currently, we have exceptions for: ubuntustudio-affecting packages, mythbuntu-affecting packages, and we also have one for Ubuntu Mobile packages (which i accepted, and forgot to mention here, i think. sorry!) [03:48] We do? [03:48] yes [03:48] the first two were covered in the recent MOTU meeting [03:48] one of the meetings recently, anywya [03:49] The ubuntustdio and mythbuntu ones were for meta packages that didn't affect Ubuntu, not for regular packages. [03:49] Right. [03:49] correct. ie, stuff that doesnt affect anything else, but the subprojects [03:49] the telepathy-gabble is part of mobile stuff as well, so that's why it got uploaded without a uvfe. [03:50] i have asked the people who made the packages, and who uploaded it to be more careful about checking for bugs afterwards [03:50] So what does this UME magic wand cover? [03:50] "if you want to upload something during a freeze, you should really be checking for bugs created as a result of your uploads. if you dont have time, then you need to make sure someone else looks at them." [03:50] "you are listed as the uploader, so you are the last point of contact" [03:51] not much, most of it is in main. [03:51] The telepathy pacakges are not in the catagory of stuff we waived for ubuntustudio and mythbuntu. [03:51] Where is this documented? [03:51] ScottK: That's what debconf suggest, if you choose to "ignore" mysql configuration [03:52] proppy: OK. Last time I never even got the debconf question, so this sounds like an improvement. [03:53] apparently there are around 20 packages in universe covered by the UME UVFe [03:53] Where is this UVFe? [03:53] ScottK: yep adding dbconfig-common Pre-Depends unlocked the debconf stage [03:53] proppy: Good. [03:53] including telepathy-*, moblin-*, any ume-config packages, bluez-* (within reason, since it touches -desktop too), also, tasks, dates, contacts [03:53] linux-headers-generic doesn't exist on sparc, powerpc, lpia and ia64; will it ever? [03:54] Hobbsee: What are you reading from? [03:54] norsetto: you should check the kernel.ubuntu.com git to get a better idea [03:54] ScottK: that in particular was a query with mithrandir. [03:54] zul: right [03:54] Hobbsee: So there is actual UVFe documented? [03:55] is/is no [03:55]