Davieysuperm1: should be dandy01:17
superm1are we visiting the same site?01:17
superm1what is seen here: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/01:18
superm1is what should be seen here http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/01:18
Davieyie http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/01:20
denbeirendvd works,..01:20
denbeirenbut avi i can't get it01:21
denbeirendivx that is01:21
Davieysuperm1: The layout must have changed then... this is how you wanted it previously.. i'm sure01:21
superm1Daviey, this is exactly how ppa.launchpad.net is organized01:21
superm1it looks like you just need to adjust your symlink01:22
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Davieysuperm1: how is that?01:25
superm1Daviey, much better :)01:25
superm1how frequently do you have yours set to update now?01:25
Davieyerm.. once every time i type ./update ;)01:26
DavieyI'll cron it now01:26
Davieywhat are you setting yours for?01:26
superm1well axel's cron thing is still broke01:26
superm1so i might setup a cron that will ssh in and do it from somewhere else01:26
superm1but i was thinking once every 6 hours or so?01:27
DavieyWell if we do it at the same UTC time, then it should keep them in sync01:27
Daviey6hrs?  hmm...01:27
DavieyI suppose it shouldn't use too much bandwidth, as apt-mirror should just get changed packages01:28
superm1double check that01:28
superm1as long as that is the case, then i say a more frequent schedule is the way to go01:28
DavieyWell if it does use bw... then i don't think it needs to be that freq.. especially as it is called weekly builds :)01:28
superm1but it also grabs everything else from the PPA too01:29
superm1so it might make more sense to do cd builds from that01:29
Davieytrue... what are we doing about a 'stable' branch?01:30
DavieyIe, one that won't pest people *every* week to upgrade?01:30
Davieybut still newer than official repo's?01:31
superm1well isn't that what this is?01:31
superm1if they dont want to upgrade they dont upgrade01:31
Davieythis is mythtv svn trunk right?01:31
superm1well trunk and fixes01:32
superm1are both here01:32
Davieyof course.. doh01:32
DavieyShould we include the released 0.20.2?01:33
Davieyas a third?01:33
superm1that will be on -updates01:33
superm1of the normal repos01:33
superm1soon (hopefully)01:33
Davieyarg.. you are correct01:33
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superm1well get some sleep :)01:34
DavieyI haven't capped the weekly builds... so hopefully it won't get too hammered01:34
DavieyI wouldn't have thought so...01:34
denbeireni think i'll be getting some sleep aswell,..01:35
denbeireni got .mpg to work01:35
denbeirentomorrow .wmv, divx and xvid01:35
Davieynn all01:35
superm1denbeiren, what are you using this with?01:35
denbeirenwhy can't they put it in from the beginning01:36
superm1mplayer, xine myth?01:36
superm1you can try using an external player instead01:36
denbeireni just want the system to use mythbuntu and play it all,..01:37
denbeireni don't want to go into a desktop environement an play around there,..01:38
superm1you dont need to01:38
superm1you set up an external player to be called from within mythtv01:38
denbeirenmy wife has to be able tu use the mce aswell01:38
denbeirenso what would you advise?01:38
superm1such as xine or mplayer01:38
superm1well i use xine myself01:38
superm1that will discuss how to setup xine to work01:39
denbeirenthe system will mostly be used to rip dvd's, (maybe convert them to divx for example) watch downloaden movies (xvid + divx01:39
denbeirenand listen to some music ,..01:39
denbeirenof course watch sat tv and record,.. but that's for later, when i find someone to help me config the dvb card01:40
superm1right, well there is nothing wrong with using xine for now, the only difference is that its an external app rather than using internal myth to play stuff back01:40
superm1so myth acts more like a fe for selecting your videos and just queueing them up01:40
denbeirenso download the package, log out of mythtv, set up xine in desktop environement and go back into myth?01:41
superm1well if your on mythbuntu alpha 401:42
superm1open up the control centre01:42
superm1and select xine01:42
superm1hit apply and it will download01:42
superm1close the control centre, and then go to the mythvideo setup area and just change it to use xine as the default as described on that page01:42
denbeirenxine was already selected there01:45
denbeirenas is everything else01:45
superm1okay then you've got it installed already01:46
superm1just activate it as described on that page01:46
denbeireni don't really get it what they mean there :(01:46
denbeiren$ xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo01:48
superm1okay so you go into the settings menu01:48
superm1and choose media01:48
superm1and choose mythvideo01:48
denbeirenthis in the terminal screen?01:48
superm1it will pull up a page that has a text box01:48
superm1that currently has it listed as "Internal"01:48
superm1you switch that over to be " xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo"01:48
denbeirenok will try01:49
denbeirentv out works like a charm btw01:50
denbeirenthanks again ;-)01:50
superm1wonderful :)01:50
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denbeirenthe new player is being used now,.. and wmv file is playing01:54
denbeirenbut i have the "controlpanel" of the player in midscreen :s01:54
denbeirenand no sound :s01:55
superm1well the control panel is easily hidden, and sounds settings adjustable01:55
TelnetMantaHiya superm101:55
superm1hi TelnetManta01:55
TelnetMantaANything new on the ubuntu mythtv front?01:55
superm1well there is always new stuff going down in here :)01:56
denbeirensoundvolume is on,.. think i'm missing a codec here01:56
TelnetMantamy box has been chugging along so I havent been around the chan much01:56
superm1TelnetManta, well that's a good thing though right?01:56
superm1denbeiren, try a file that you should have the codecs01:56
TelnetMantaoh yeah. But you never know what kind of good stuff youre missing01:56
superm1TelnetManta, well we're gonna switch things over to an xfce based env in the near future01:57
denbeireni'll try that tomorrow,... i'll put some testfiles on there to check01:57
denbeirenthanks again m8!!01:58
superm1night denbeiren01:58
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[_Trimble_] hi03:33
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foxbuntuevening superm104:44
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MythbuntuGuest46Anyone have a fix for directories that are screwed up at umn.edu?  You can't install restricted drivers etc automatically06:31
ubotuNew bug: #138810 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythtv Frontend doesn't work with some sound systems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13881006:36
MythbuntuGuest46Nevermind - apt-get update fixed the issue06:44
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Deffconlaga ?08:08
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superm1yea what's up?08:13
Deffconstevenshiau the creator of drbl / clonezilla is online now08:13
superm1ah hello stevenshiau08:14
stevenshiauHi Deffcon, superml08:14
stevenshiauDeffcon told me to join this08:14
superm1too bad laga isn't around, i haven't kept up with the discussion on drbl08:14
stevenshiauI think he want drbl to work with mythtv08:14
superm1so you guys will have to fill me in on things08:14
Deffconsuperm1 : ask laga i told him everything yesterday08:20
superm1okay so what can you compare drbl to?08:21
superm1what's it similar to08:21
stevenshiausuperml: it's similar to LTSP fat client mode08:23
stevenshiaurecently in LTSP 5, there is a mode for fat client. LTSP used to be only for thin client08:23
superm1so its a pxe boot setup ?08:23
stevenshiausort of08:23
stevenshiauDRBL is for fat client only08:24
stevenshiauclient uses PXE/etherboot to boot08:24
superm1by fat client, that means the what exactly then?08:24
stevenshiauDRBL = Diskless Remote Boot in Linux08:24
stevenshiaufat client means the client has all the power (memory, CPU) to run the application locally08:26
stevenshiaunot in the terminal mode08:26
superm1well so how does this differ from a pxe boot with nfs root then?08:26
stevenshiauactually that's the same one08:26
stevenshiauDRBL just make people to create a diskless server easily08:26
superm1ah i see08:27
stevenshiauno more a lot of howtos..08:27
superm1so drbl provides a quick setup to do an install in an nfs root, create the nfs share08:27
stevenshiauyou can check this url for more details http://drbl.sf.net08:28
superm1yea this looks quite similar to the setup that i use (but did everything by hand) for my HD FE08:29
superm1how come this isn't in Ubuntu repos?08:30
stevenshiauwell... I think we have to polish the codes08:31
stevenshiauand since there is already LTSP 508:31
superm1have you made an attempt to get it in yet? or no08:31
stevenshiaunot really08:31
superm1well what is the advantage of this over LTSP 5 then?08:31
stevenshiaubut will try to polish the codes first08:31
stevenshiau///NOTE/// From LTSP 5.0, there is a fat client (diskless workstation, LowFat client) mode, it's basically quite similar to DRBL.08:32
stevenshiauBesides the diskless (fat/powerful) client mode provided by DRBL, DRBL provides other functions, such as:08:32
stevenshiau(a) Clonezilla, the opensource clone system. It's a server version of imaging tool, similar to Ghost server edition, True image or Rembo. By using Clonezilla, you can clone a 5.6 GBytes system image to 40 computers within 10 minutes via multicasting.08:32
stevenshiau(b) Small Linux diskless soltion. DRBL provides Damn Small Linux (DSL), PuppyLinux... for clients. You can import those small Linux distributions and let client boot from PXE without hardisk, CD or USB flash drive.08:32
stevenshiau(c) Diskless FreeDOS for clients.08:32
stevenshiau(d) Diskless memtest for clients.08:32
stevenshiau(e) Install GNU/Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, Mandriva, SuSE...) for clients from network.08:32
stevenshiauLTSP and DRBL each have their own benefits. Choose the one that is best suited to your needs.08:32
stevenshiauTo others: sorry for the long messages08:33
superm1well at this point it is too late in the release cycle to get things into ubuntu/mythbuntu.  Starting in nov/dec though, I can work with you guys to get this into ubuntu at a minimum08:34
superm1and then go from there when we do some experimentation08:34
superm1so that gives you a few months to work on the code polishing and such08:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98886 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  drbl / clonezilla" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 08:35
stevenshiauha, thanks. ubotu08:35
superm1well indeed, i'll subscribe to that bug08:37
superm1and once the next cycle starts, if no one else takes i tup08:37
superm1i'll be glad to08:37
stevenshiauthanks, superml08:38
stevenshiauI think what Deffcon now he wants is to make mythtv work with DRBL08:41
superm1well i dont see why it wont08:41
stevenshiauI did try that about 1 month ago08:41
stevenshiaubut failed08:42
superm1like i said i have a setup very similar to what drbl has08:42
superm1and i use it for my hidef frontend08:42
stevenshiaumaybe it's because of the file arch08:42
stevenshiaunot sure08:42
stevenshiauI never run mythtv before... Sorry to say that :)08:42
superm1well when things failed?08:42
superm1what happened?08:42
stevenshiauok, cool08:42
Deffconsuperm1 : i'm pretty sure that drbl is an outcome for mythbuntu, because you can everything diskless08:43
stevenshiaubecause drbl client share /usr with that in drbl server08:43
stevenshiaudo you think it's a problem or not ?08:43
superm1oh no not at all08:43
superm1as long as they have their own /etc08:43
superm1not a big deal08:43
stevenshiaualthough every drbl client has its own /etc, /var08:43
superm1but having their own /var will mix things up08:43
superm1because then what happens when apt thinks a package is installed on one08:44
stevenshiauno, every client has its own /etc/, var/08:44
superm1but not the other08:44
superm1then it finds the files in /usr on one of them08:44
superm1so how do you get around that?08:44
stevenshiauso they can not share /var/lib/dpkg ?08:45
superm1well they will need to share that08:45
superm1for it to make snese08:45
superm1sense even08:45
superm1but if they have their own /var08:45
superm1they wont share that08:45
stevenshiauactually in drbl client, it will...08:45
stevenshiausince /var/lib/dpkg is mounted again.08:46
stevenshiaubut it can be removed actually08:46
stevenshiaujust need to know that08:46
Deffconand its very fast when booting client08:46
stevenshiauso you mean mythtv will check /var/lib/dpkg ?08:46
Deffconsuperm1 i use drbl clonezilla for my work 57 clients08:46
superm1big setup there08:46
superm1well its not necessarily a mythtv specific issue with /var/lib/dpkg/08:47
superm1but just a general issue i forsee08:47
superm1um http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?op=show&filepath=album//09_NCCW_Holland/IMG_0005.JPG ?08:48
Deffconyes windows clients as well but for that to clone i use clonezilla, basically for mythtv u only have to use drbl08:49
superm1well so ideally how do you think this would fit in mythbuntu then?08:49
superm1someone would use it to install a drbl/mythbuntu backend08:50
superm1or would add it on later?08:50
Deffconok i will tell you an example08:50
Deffconi used linuxmce for a while there is an option to use diskless frontends08:51
superm1as in during install of the main box?08:52
Deffconbut to complex drbl makes it very simple to use, the enduser when drbl is installed will not have to worry about difficulties its very easy to maintain when its intergrated into mythbuntu, example is have an pc's lying around in my bedroom and i want to have an frontend, just boot the frontend from pxe and you get an diskless mythfrontend08:53
superm1yea i can see that being a very attractive setup08:53
Deffconactually if its possible you can implemted drbl in live cd installer under advanceed option next to choosing primary frontend/backend only frontend etc08:53
superm1yea that seems like a good place that it would fit08:54
superm1and then having an option later on in the control centre to add it as well08:54
Deffconin fact on my work when i tell drbl to boot all my 57 clients of one server in this case the backend/ drbl server the clients boots in less then 1 1/2 minutes08:54
Deffconyes for example actually that is a great idea and just mention the option "drbl pxe booting "in the installer that you can install this later from mythbuntu-control-centre08:55
superm1well eventually all the options in the installer will be available inthe control centre08:56
superm1there just is so many at this point, that its becoming a management nightmakre08:56
superm1the control centre will need to be revamped again i think08:56
Deffconbut it look very ggood08:56
superm1there is a lot of hidden options in it, that aren't activated because of the code behind them becoming so ugly :)08:57
Deffconbut do you think that drbl would be something fro mythbuntu, would'nt it be cool to let fronmtends bootoff the backend08:58
Deffconand fully boot in an frontend08:59
superm1yea it would be pretty cool08:59
superm1with my current setup, my old frontend had a mobo go bad08:59
superm1so i was able to take my desktop, bring it to the living room and turn on pxe boot for it08:59
superm1and it booted up my pxe setup08:59
Deffconbut stevenshiau is a really clever and good  man what i think he would be glad to help08:59
superm1i'm sure tons of people would love to have things like that going08:59
Deffconsuperm1 : i thought that laga build svn last night for new svn trunk09:00
superm1Deffcon, i've no idea what he did :)09:01
stevenshiauDeffcon: I am only a common man, not so clever, just like to have fun with Linux09:01
Deffconi may think you're are a clever man09:01
stevenshiauDeffcon: anyway, whatever you say09:02
stevenshiauI know you want me to make drbl work with mythtv09:02
stevenshiausure, I will do my best to try that09:02
Deffconbecause i really think that this is what people are looking for at home09:02
Deffconbecause everyone has lying old and new hardware at home to give new live09:03
Deffconsuperm1 : will you give drbl a try ?09:05
superm1Deffcon, not within this release cycle, but for sure afterward09:05
superm1within this cycle my time is already stretched thin enough :)09:05
Deffconwow cool man09:05
Deffconi told you yesterday that you can give me some testing work to find bugs or test other stuff09:06
superm1yea i've got your nvidia-settings bug fixed09:06
superm1i'm gonna upload that tonight09:06
Deffconreally wow you're are fast09:06
superm1i just had one more change to add to the control centre before doing so09:06
superm1it was a quick fix09:06
Deffconwhat was the problem09:06
superm1nvidia-settings didn't support a command line switch that was being passed to it09:07
Deffconoh ok that i understand09:07
Deffcontell me what can i test09:07
Deffconi would really what to try svn trunk but its not working with this release09:08
superm1well at this point, as soon as DaveMorris has the xfce stuff ready to go: that09:08
superm1but i'm not sure how he is coming on that09:08
superm1i've got what i think will resolve the cd respository problem too09:08
superm1but i'm not sure yet09:09
Deffcontell me09:09
superm1well it requires rebuilding the disk again09:09
superm1with some additional signing on it09:09
Deffconwith what tooling are you doing this09:10
superm1its a hand crafted script09:10
superm1stored in one of our bzr branches09:10
superm1over here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk09:10
Deffconmythbuntu is really the thing i whas looking for home and drbl for work so i thought bring those people together and make it an fantastic open-source product09:11
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Deffconsuperm1 : can i test something for you09:36
superm1Deffcon, i'm gonna push the update to mythbuntu-control-centre in a few minutes to the archive, so if you can find anything else wrong with it09:40
superm1it will probably take a little to publish depending on which mirror your using09:40
superm1i'm headed to bed though for now.09:42
superm1night night09:43
Deffconnight superm109:54
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lagai wonder why some emails from launchad/bug tracker are correctly sorted into the ubuntu-mythtv folder in TB while some still show up in my inbox11:21
DaveMorriswhen people send a document to themselves but BCC it to everyone else the mail filters don't work11:28
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DaveMorriswith the new trunk builds, are wew able to create a tag for the bugs to be filled correctly under this11:36
lagalet's see11:37
lagaugh, using launchpad before n oon11:37
lagawe can report 'em here11:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138843 in mythbuntu "Test bug" [Undecided,New] 11:42
lagaDaveMorris: ^^ do you see where you can tag bugs?11:42
lagaok, looks like bugs should be filed against project "mythbuntu-trunk" then.11:43
ubotuNew bug: #138843 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13884311:50
lagaDeffcon: the trunk builds are ready, except for mythplugins again :/11:51
lagaDeffcon: i'll kick off a rebuild in a few minutes and let you know when it's ready.11:51
DaveMorriswhy can't I see Deffcon's questions?11:52
lagain launchpad?11:54
DaveMorrisin here11:54
lagahe didn't aks any11:56
lagahe asked a few hours ago11:56
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ubotuNew bug: #138848 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug #2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13884812:05
lagaDaveMorris: thx12:20
DaveMorriswe going to get any more spam ;)12:21
lagano, not today12:21
lagahow do you m ake internal links to pages on mythbuntu.org?12:55
DaveMorrisnot sure, I've done it though12:56
lagai'll just make a normal link then12:57
lagamythplugins trunk build was published12:58
lagai hope i won't have to touch these anymore in the next time12:58
lagabeen spending way too much time with that12:58
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ubotuNew bug: #138857 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mytharchive calling ffmpeg with wrong resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13885701:20
lagalovely. CD building is troublesome for me. wonder if it's broken because i added the mythbuntu-trunk ppa as well02:09
lagalooks like it's working after configuring the packages manually02:11
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bendaileyDaviey, hello?02:15
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Davieybendailey: hey02:27
DeGonjust tearing mythbunto down, will see how it works. tried it before with mythdora but tv-tuner was not detected....02:27
DeGonhoping on better hardware detection with mythbuntu02:28
DeGonanybody familiar with the mythbuntu project in here?02:29
bendaileyDeGon: this is where alot of the mythbuntu talk happens02:29
DavieyDeGon: YES02:29
bendaileyDaviey: I have reached my bandwidth limit02:30
DeGonvery nice.... just downloaded it and will give a try02:30
DavieyOkay.. i'll remove you02:30
Davieybendailey: what is your limit?02:30
DeGonstill seeking fort the ultimate MC solution (since nearly 2 years)02:30
lagaDeGon: what hardware do you have?02:31
Davieybendailey: You should stop recieving traffic automajically now02:31
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lagaDaveMorris: congratulations02:32
DeGonia have a home build htpc with a P4 2,8Ghz on a mini-itx mobo02:32
bendaileyyeah I am going to shoot an email to the provider and see if I can buy a bigger package02:32
bendaileyDaviey: My Limit is 10GB/month02:32
DeGonwith a pvr 150 hauppauge tv tuner02:32
lagaDeGon: mythbuntu should detect your tv tuner.02:32
Davieybendailey: eeek - i reckon you reached that yonks ago02:32
DeGonalready mythdora should have detected it but didn't02:33
DaveMorrisDeGon: whats the video chipset?02:33
DeGonunfortunately its an integrated 32megs chipset (s3 savage) which can take up to 256 megs from RAM (1GB)02:33
lagaDeGon: what's the problem with that?02:34
DeGonwindows with mediaportal was impossible to run tv02:35
DeGonsuse with myth tv did but had other probs there02:35
lagawell, if it's got Xv support, it should work fine with mythtv and SDTV02:35
DeGonmythdora doesn't find tv tuner02:35
DeGonxv support?02:35
lagaDeGon: xvideo extension in your x server/driver. allows for accelerated video playback02:36
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DeGonhmm will have a look02:36
DeGonthats my HTPC (its fanless ;) ) http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/fanless_htpc_p4_2_8_ghz-t3937.html02:38
lagai bet that gets hot02:39
lagaoh, nice case02:40
DeGonon the outside a it but not really 53 Celsius max on the processor after 2 hours of 100%02:40
lagaDeGon: you german?02:41
DeGontested it during 6 hours on 100%, processor temperature was never higher that 53C02:41
lagathere's also #mythtv-de and www.mythwiki.de02:41
lagajmust a FYI ;)02:41
DaveMorrislaga how did you work that out?02:42
DeGonjeah thats where I was often also... but  am not so patient with mythtv and linux (although i use Linux on my desktop). so i am still looking for the best pre-configured MC02:42
lagaDaveMorris: did work what out?02:43
DaveMorristhat he was German/Swiss?02:43
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lagaDaveMorris: usually, /whois degon it is02:43
lagaDaveMorris: but this time, i found various references to german sites in his posting in the mediaportal forum02:43
DeGon|willbebackso will install now mythbunto for the first time now... its not a live dvd isn't it?02:44
lagaand you can sometimes tell from spelling/grammar mistakes people make, but not in this case ;)02:44
lagaDeGon|willbeback: it's a live cd which can be installed.02:44
DeGon|willbebackokei... will tell you in some minutes (hours?) how it works on my box02:44
lagashould take like 30 minutes or so, i'd guess02:45
lagagood luck02:45
DeGon|willbebackok its installing... nice splash screen02:49
DeGon|willbebackhave u ever heard about the LinuxBios project? they are constructing a new bios that should run with several motherboards and they did it to boot in 3 seconds to a linux console.  LinuxBios and Mythbunto = fast booting mediacenter?02:54
lagamaybe. my hardware i not supported by linuxbios so i'm not trying it02:54
DeGon|willbebackmine isn't either02:54
DeGon|willbebackand the company that built my mobo doesn't exist any more. so there are no more bios updates for it...02:55
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directhex|workhm, what should i file a bulletproof-x bug against? suggestions?03:27
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DaveMorrisdirecthex|work: in mythbuntu?03:29
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DeGon|willbebackhmm just installed mythbuntu for the first time. install process worked fine. But:03:32
DeGon|willbebackcan't find any tv chanels03:32
DeGon|willbebackdvd playing doesn't work properly03:33
DeGon|willbebackwheater works ;)03:33
DeGon|willbebackwww browisng works too03:33
DeGon|willbebackimporting a dvd works also03:33
DeGon|willbebackthing i have to change over to desktop mode to properly install the tv card03:34
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CayshoI have a question about the mythbuntu desktop - is it going to make use of xfce ?03:41
DeGon|willbebacku can chooose03:42
bendaileyCaysho: I believe that change to xfce is underway03:42
DeGon|willbebackgnome, kde or xfce03:43
CayshoI'm currently using KnoppMyth03:43
DeGon|willbebackon the newest release u can choose03:43
DeGon|willbebackbut with the standart installation you will just have mythtv. but in mythtv<03:44
DeGon|willbebacktheres a possibility to add a desktop03:44
Cayshoby newest, you mean the alpha ?03:44
DeGon|willbebackyes, the one on the mythbuntu website03:44
Cayshoright, thanks :)03:44
DeGon|willbebackMythbuntu 7.10 x86 just installed it minutes ago03:45
DaveMorrisCaysho: I'm working on moving mythbuntu over to xfce this week03:46
DeGon|willbebackah didn't know how far this is. the option to choose is already there. i chose kubunto bekoz i am more familiar with it03:47
bendaileyDaviey, have a moment?03:48
lagaDeGon|willbeback: how do you like it so far? ;)03:49
DeGon|willbebacki like that the standart installation doesnt't include all the desktop stuff. if my tv card would run properly i would not even have to add a desktop now. but as the tv card causes probs i have to.... nice mythbuntu config addition in the mythtv config section... like it, but hate my tv tuner03:50
CayshoI'll wait for the official release then :)03:50
DeGon|willbebackwhy caysho?03:51
CayshoDeGon: what's your tuner ?03:51
DeGon|willbebackits a hauppauge pvr 150, should easyly be detected but caused already probs on mythdora03:51
DeGon|willbeback(but didn't in suse03:52
CayshoI've still got shows recorded, and so I'll need a quiet couple of hours to ensure complete set up.03:53
DeGon|willbebackah ok03:53
DeGon|willbebackmaybe i'll try another tv tuner, have pinnacle around03:53
DeGon|willbebackbut mythbuntu seems very nice, easier to manage than mythdora and knoppmyth03:54
DeGon|willbebackif your hardware stuff doens't cause probs03:54
Cayshomine's been nice and stable.03:54
DeGon|willbebackthe it will also with mythbuntu i suppose03:55
DeGon|willbebackwhat tv tuner do u use and wchich remote?03:55
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CayshoI have two of these http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3951  but I don't use the remote right now.03:56
DeGonso you're navigating with the keyboard?03:57
directhex|workmy remote's cooler than your remote!03:57
CayshoI have a wireless keyboard03:57
directhex|workand my dad could beat up your dad, for good measure!03:57
DeGonso whats your remote directhex|work>?03:58
DeGonand u run mythtv on what? on a PS?03:59
directhex|workat the moment? a pentium-d machine full of hard disks04:00
DeGonand the PS remote works with linux? interesting....04:00
CayshoHow well does mythbuntu handle detection/setup of multiple tuners that are the same make/model ?04:01
DeGon<-- has no idea04:02
DeGonwill be back. have to make another try getting my tv card running04:02
directhex|workCaysho, trivially04:02
directhex|workCaysho, each one gets an entry in /dev, so each one is different04:02
Davieybendailey: you called?04:03
Davieyjust need to make a phone call04:03
Cayshook, be interesting to see what it does.04:04
Cayshothanks for the answers, time for me to go.04:05
bendaileyDaviey, I am setting up a 2TB GoDaddy Mirror Right now, Can you do weighting in your php download script?04:05
bendaileyDaviey, be back04:08
DeGonhmm can't switch over to a desktop. it always begins to download some hunder packages but stops due to missing ones. tried ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu... seems that the sources/channels are ot up-to-date04:11
DeGonwill give another try just through the backend and control center04:12
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Davieybendailey: sorry.. was on the phone04:33
DavieyYes.. can do weighting04:33
bendaileyDaviey, great04:34
DavieyDo you want the GoDaddy heavy or lightly weighted ;)04:34
bendaileyBy the way I hate Cpanel or *Panel Shell rules :)04:34
bendaileyI am having problems getting godaddy web hosting panel to add the multilevel us-az.cdimages as a recognized subdomain04:36
Davieyah.. no problem04:37
DavieyYou need to add the base domain first :S04:37
Davieythen add the subdomains04:37
bendaileyyeah I added mythbuntu.org as the base domain....04:37
DavieyAs the proper dns will only forward us-az, the other rules will be ignored04:37
Davieyquirky cpanel!04:37
bendaileybut it seems to only support one level subdomains04:37
Davieyadd mythbuntu.org, cdimages.mythbuntu.org & us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org04:38
DavieyGreat eh?04:38
Davieybut obv. only set the DNS for us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org to forward there04:38
bendaileyI added cdimages.mythbuntu.org as a subdomain it won't let me add it as a root domain04:39
bendaileyI see no option for a subdomain of a subdomain04:39
DavieyMaybe contact support then04:40
bendaileyyeah that should be fun :(04:40
DavieyDreamhost, i must say, were pretty good at helping04:41
DavieyI am ripping the bandwidth out of them..04:41
Daviey>150Gb in 6 days04:41
DavieyIt was only $12 for the account aswell :D04:42
bendaileyus-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is a "two level subdomain" do I have the correct terminology there?04:42
bendaileywow how much bandwidth/month does that $12 provide04:43
DaveMorrisDaviey: $12 thats sod all04:43
DavieyDaveMorris: for 1 year inc. domain04:43
Davieybendailey: wait04:44
DavieyI think what you want is a 5th level domain04:44
superm1DeGon, you need to update the package lists likely04:44
Davieyoh wait, 4th - there is no .uk at the end :)04:44
superm1DeGon, while gutsy is in development, package versions are constantly changing04:45
DeGonhow do i update em in the mythbuntu control center??04:45
superm1DeGon, the version of the control centre that shipped doesn't have update manager support (it was added a few days ago), so you'll have to do it via a terminal or synaptic04:45
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DeGonhehe no use to install a desktop finally made my tv tuner scan in mythtv. didn't specify source bekoz i have no epg grabber. now i just entered a name and selected "no grabber" and it scans.... also saw that antenna cable was not plugged *shame*shame*shame*05:02
DeGon<--- DAU who tests mythbuntu ;)05:03
DeGonhmm.. mythtv scans but doesn't find a channel05:06
superm1DaveMorris, laga you guys been encountering any really weird oddities in your builds?05:09
superm1i've been getting a lot of unionfs stuff going down05:09
superm1dmesg is littered with junk about it05:09
superm1and it looks like its happening to regular ubuntu dailies too05:10
superm1<evand> yikes, unionfs or python seems to have major breakage in the most recent daily live cds.05:10
superm1<evand> http://evalicious.com/syslog05:10
[_Trimble_] there's life in here!  lol05:10
superm1hi [_Trimble_] 05:10
[_Trimble_] hiya05:10
[_Trimble_] I'm also testing 7.10 :)05:11
[_Trimble_] i tried two older ones and they wouldn't finish the install.  the newest one did finish, so i stuck with it :P05:11
DeGonmine also installed well (7.10)05:11
superm1yea the problem you were probably encountering was a big race condition between archive versions05:12
DeGonbut as u can see i'am to dumb to configure my tv tuner05:12
superm1even if we dont sort it out locally in our builds, it will sort out once gutsy is released05:12
superm1DeGon, are you North America?05:12
superm1or elsewhere05:12
DeGonno western europe05:12
[_Trimble_] I sounds bad, but I have no idea what it means.  unfortunately, i'm kinda a linux n00b.  I'm trying to switch over from knoppmyth to mythbuntu.  knoppmyth doesn't seem to like my hardware05:12
[_Trimble_] <-- north america05:13
DeGoni have no epg grabber and mythtv doesn't like to scan nicely05:13
superm1[_Trimble_] , ah okay.  well basically, the big points of the next alpha will be that we have the on cd repository fixed, the proprietary drivers stuff fixed and the switchover to xubuntu based by default05:13
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superm1DeGon, that's unfortunate :(.  Perhaps you may end up having to try your scans outside of myth05:14
superm1and comparing05:14
[_Trimble_] so far in 7.10, i've managed to get my wireless card working (ndiswrapper), my NAS's video directory mounted and I successfully watched a movie through it.  video was choppy though.. suspect codec problem05:14
DeGon|afkhave amanual list here will check tahat05:14
[_Trimble_] I haven't configured the TV tuner yet since Ihave to figure out how to connect it to a dish network tuner :(05:14
superm1[_Trimble_] , you'll likely need an irblaster05:15
[_Trimble_] i have a happauge 150 with ir and blaster included ;)05:15
[_Trimble_] but I never had to config the blaster under knoppmyth05:15
[_Trimble_] (i've recently moved in with the in-laws, and they have dish.)05:16
superm1that is something that still hasn't been automated into our installer yet - i'm not sure it will make it in this release or not, we'll see :)05:16
superm1but its entirely doable nonetheless05:17
DeGon|afkhrhr trimble i have the same hauppauge ovr 15005:19
DeGon|afkpvr 15005:19
[_Trimble_] it's an advanced setup thing if you ask me ;)  I wouldn't worry about it in the installer, i'd make it an extra tool in the console thing05:19
superm1imo, its not the right solution to do something in the console if your trying to make it easy to use for people05:20
[_Trimble_] eh, ok05:20
[_Trimble_] ;)05:20
superm1there are enough people wanting ir blasters05:20
superm1so it will eventually be in the installer05:21
superm1just cant say when :)05:21
tgm4883It's not that advanced, IR blasters are something that many many people will probably need05:21
tgm4883in the US anyway, unless someone comes out with a way to bypass the box in a few years05:21
DeGon|afksee you guy have to get my car from the car-doctor... will burn me a hole in my purse :(05:21
tgm4883and then DeGon was gone05:22
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[_Trimble_] i do have  question... i notice in my XP machines that my mythbuntu box is appearing in network neighborhood with links to music, pictures, recordings, and videos.  but I can't connect to those shares.  I tried doing a map network drive and log in with other credentials using my mythbuntu user's login name and pw, but that didn't work either.. :(05:23
[_Trimble_] so, what's the trick to connecting to those?05:23
superm1it shouldnt be asking for any credentials05:23
superm1its setup as share level control05:23
tgm4883could it be detecting it as a media playing device?05:24
[_Trimble_] i'm not above admitting that my xp networking setup might be wonky05:24
[_Trimble_] uPnP?05:24
tgm4883it's been a while since I had a windows device setup05:24
[_Trimble_] my kids play games.. i can't give up windose yet lol05:25
tgm4883AFAIK, i think that was a feature of mythtv, but i don't think it worked well05:25
superm1well these are samba shares05:25
superm1that you are seeing05:25
tgm4883bah, windows games are going to rot your kids brains05:25
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[_Trimble_] yes, clearly samba shares.   "music on Mythbuntu server (Samba, Mythbuntu) (Mythbuntu)05:26
[_Trimble_] "05:26
superm1tgm4883, have you tried "MythTV player" on windows as of yet?05:26
directhex|worki have05:26
tgm4883I suppose that would require me to use windows05:26
superm1someone on the forums recommended it, so i passed it on to my windows roomate05:26
tgm4883unless it runs in wine05:26
superm1and it actually works very well05:26
superm1i was throughly surprised05:26
directhex|workthe ui is awful, but it's functional05:26
superm1the big thing is that it does the comm skipping05:26
superm1which none of the others did05:26
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superm1mornin laga05:27
lagamorning superm105:29
lagais there a dapper backport of 0.20.2?05:30
superm1directhex|work, did one05:30
tgm4883I remember seeing that someone did do that05:30
superm1but its not in dapper-backports05:30
superm1its on his own repo05:30
tgm4883has .20.2 cleared feisty proposed yet?05:31
lagadirecthex|work: thanks.05:31
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Trimblehi guest05:31
lagaerr, superm1: thanks i meant05:31
lagabut both applies05:31
superm1need one more person to give a +1 on the bug report i'd say05:32
superm1and then i can request it to leave proposed as of tomorrow05:32
tgm4883oh, you mean someone whose opinion matters :)05:32
superm1no you too tgm4883 :)05:32
tgm4883im going to have to enable feisty proposed I think05:33
tgm48835 days of data left05:33
Trimbleheh i suppose i should give SD a payment :P05:34
lagasuperm1: i'll now try to merge your latest changes to the mythtv-fixes branch to the trunk branch using bzr merge05:35
superm1hopefully all works with that05:35
superm1trunk is a child of -fixes right?05:36
superm1as in it bzr branched from it?05:36
superm1i almost think meld would be easier05:36
superm1but i dont know05:36
lagai just made a regular checkout back then :/05:36
lagabzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.05:36
lagaok, sigh.05:36
lagai'm not really keen on merging, but i can't build a live cd with the trunk packages so i was gonna look at the differences.05:37
superm1well you probably are encountering this bug05:37
lagai'd get into trouble because ubuntu-mythtv-frontend pre-depends on gdm, which was not configured, which is why mythbuntu-live can't be installed. drama++; :)05:38
superm1bug 13891505:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 138915 in linux-source-2.6.22 "unionfs NULL pointer dereference in 2.6.22-11.32" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13891505:38
lagai doubt that. happens way before the filesystem is made05:38
superm1said before i read your response05:38
superm1why isn't gdm getting configured?05:38
lagai have no clue. i'll kick off another build now and check the logs more carefully now05:39
lagahad to run earlier05:39
superm1speaking of running05:40
superm1i need to do that05:40
superm1catch ya later :)05:40
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superm1laga, before i go though, i may have resolved the cd repository problems05:41
superm1apt-cdrom appears to hate it if you dont add a Release.gpg05:41
superm1since it prefers authenticated packages05:42
superm1as soon as that unionfs bug is fixed, can figure out if that fixed it, which would mean just need to get your translation bug and DaveMorris's switch to xfce going and we're cake05:42
lagathen we can polish and add translations05:42
lagaand maybe i get to add some more tv-out goodness to ubiquity05:43
lagaif i ever get it running...05:43
lagai like cake, btw05:43
superm1i was thinking of adding something to the control centre05:43
superm1to activate weekly builds05:43
superm1but i'm not sure its an intelligent idea05:43
superm1that makes it way too easy to break a box if someone just has to "check here to switch to trunk"05:44
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spiderworm1hey all, is there a quick way to get all the dependencies to install myth from source?05:44
Trimblemaybe a manual button the owner clicks once a week?05:45
lagasuperm1: now run :)05:46
lagaspiderworm1: enable source repos and run apt-get build-dep mythtv05:46
spiderworm1yah, thats right.. thanks :)05:46
tgm4883superm1, it should be a check box, followed by a root password requirement, your SSN, birthdate, mothers maiden name, bank account number, Full name, your favorite movie, your first school, the town you grew up in and your pets name05:47
tgm4883then it will install trunk05:48
Trimbleok, so does anyone have any ideas about my error connecting to this samba share that mythbuntu has setup on my network?  when I click the share in my xp network neighborhood, i get "\\MYTHBUNTU\videos is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource.  Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.  The group name could not be found."  ... well, i'm the administr06:00
Trimblewhat's the group name thing about?06:01
tgm4883try disabling the firewall and trying again06:01
Trimbleah, does mythbuntu start up a firewall on it's own?  I can ssh into the box, how can I add my local machines to access it?06:02
tgm4883_laptopthe windows firewall06:02
tgm4883_laptopi always hated that thing06:02
Trimbleoh, the xp firewall is down06:02
tgm4883_laptophow is the setup of samba for mythbuntu?06:03
tgm4883_laptopi haven't used it06:03
laganeither do i06:03
Trimblei dunno, I didn't set it up.  it's running default settings from mythbuntu 7.1006:03
tgm4883_laptopI used a completely different program to configure samba on my system, as IMO samba sucks to configure06:03
Trimbleone of my goals is to avoid installing anything extra on the myth box than it needs to run in appliance mode.  so whatever is the most light-weight way to configure the samba shares is what I need to learn06:06
tgm4883_laptopwell you can configure the smb.conf file directly06:06
tgm4883_laptopusing nano06:07
tgm4883_laptopthats pretty lightweight06:07
Trimbleindeed ;)06:07
tgm4883_laptopalthough i prefer swat06:07
Trimblewhere is that file kept?06:07
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tgm4883_laptopbet google knows ;)06:07
Trimblei bet your right :)06:07
Trimbleso, i should be able to connect to swat from my xp machine to configure samba.. neat06:14
Trimblecna i just sudo apt-get install swat?06:15
tgm4883you can try06:15
tgm4883yep its in the repos06:16
Trimblehmm.. that seemed to install swat, but not sure it's got everything it needs.. does it need a web server?  does mythbuntu install one?06:18
tgm4883it has everything it needs, if you installed the backend with mythbuntu apache is installed06:18
tgm4883or apache206:18
Trimbleok :)06:19
Trimblelol it's so much nicer to have the @#%& wireless card in my mythbox working... had it running for a year off the wire. (had to connect it with a long cord every week to run mythfilldatabase  ugh)06:20
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Trimbleboom - Swat works.06:23
Trimblejust had to sudo apt-get install swat then reboot the box it seems06:23
Trimblethis is definately a tool i would consider useful as an appliance hehehe06:23
Trimblehmm... looks like samba is configured for user mythtv.  we're not using mythtv user in 7.10 anymore though, are we?06:26
Trimble[videos] 06:26
Trimblecomment = Videos06:26
Trimblepath = /var/lib/mythtv/videos06:26
Trimbleforce user = mythtv06:26
Trimbleforce group = mythtv06:26
Trimbleread only = No06:26
Trimblecreate mask = 066006:26
Trimbledirectory mask = 077006:26
Trimbleguest ok = Yes06:26
Trimblei still can't connect to a share :(06:30
lagaguest ok = Yes06:30
laga^^ hum.06:30
Trimbleyeah, i noticed that also.06:31
lagai don't know anything about samba, though :/06:31
tgm4883i never used guest06:31
Trimbleall 4 shares have that06:31
tgm4883i don't think i ever got it to work06:31
Trimblebut is there a trick to connecting as guest?06:31
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tgm4883I'd put your main user in there and see what happens06:31
Trimbleedit the conf and put my ubuntu user name there?06:32
tgm4883well you should be able to do that in swat06:32
tgm4883you need to make sure you use the right password for it and make sure the user is enabled06:33
Trimblethis swat page i'm looking at doesn't seem to have anyway to edit any settings.. it just shows status and documentation06:37
tgm4883ok, where do you access swat, i just reinstalled it to check06:37
Trimblewell, i just did \\
Trimblemaybe i didn't log into swat with the right user.. but my one user is all there is06:41
Trimblecould samba be configured expecting to interact with a user that no longer exists?06:42
tgm4883swat will probably want the root user06:43
Trimbledo i have a root user other than my usual ubuntu user?06:44
Trimbledidnt think so06:44
tgm4883the first user is the root user06:44
Trimbleright, that's what i logged in as06:44
tgm4883look in the conf file and see what security =06:49
Trimblesecurity = SHARE06:50
Trimbleparanoid server security = Yes06:50
tgm4883whats that?06:50
Trimbleno idea, but it looks neat  lol.. lemme check docs06:50
tgm4883it's not in mine06:50
Trimbleparanoid server security (G)06:51
TrimbleSome version of NT 4.x allow non-guest users with a bad passowrd. When this option is enabled, samba will not use a broken NT 4.x server as password server, but instead complain to the logs and exit.06:51
TrimbleDisabling this option prevents Samba from making this check, which involves deliberatly attempting a bad logon to the remote server.06:51
TrimbleDefault: paranoid server security = yes06:51
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tgm4883hmm this is tough06:52
tgm4883i haven't configured samba in a long time06:52
Trimblewhat's smbpasswd ... maybe it's involved06:53
tgm4883well i think that sets your samba password for whatever user you are running it as06:54
spiderworm1what does the mytharchive plugin do?06:54
Trimblerunning samba?  or logging into samba?06:54
tgm4883when you run samba password as user bob, you are setting bob's samba password06:55
Trimblei think mytharchive is there to help you save copies of tv shows you've recorded to offline storage or somewhere else so it doesn't get deleted06:55
spiderworm1ok, thanks06:55
spiderworm1im trying to build mythplugins from svn trunk and im getting an error with that one06:56
tgm4883Trimble http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37127/06:56
spiderworm1wondering if i should go without it06:56
lagaspiderworm1: why dont you use our new trunk builds?06:56
tgm4883see that you can enable, add and set passwords for users06:56
spiderworm1laga, ? well i dont know anything about new trunk builds... brb06:57
tgm4883although im not exactly sure what security = share does as mine is set to security = user which requires a unix user06:57
lagaspiderworm1: http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/4506:57
spiderworm1i do know that the schedulesdirect options werent in the last packages i tried06:57
lagaspiderworm1: you tried the wrong packages then.06:57
lagaspiderworm1: http://tinyurl.com/39hgnz06:58
lagaspiderworm1: no need to build trunk for SD support06:58
spiderworm1ok i'll give it a whirl07:00
spiderworm1laga, where are the packages on the mythbuntu site?07:03
lagaspiderworm1: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds07:03
Trimble@#$%@ i can't find the location of the smb.conf file07:05
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sebrockwhen I'm simulating a apt-get upgrade all I see is libmyth-0.20, is this the only updated myth package?07:37
sebrockthat all I get07:38
sebrocklibmyth-0.20 (0.20.2-0ubuntu0.7.04.1 Ubuntu:7.04/feisty-proposed)07:38
laga^^ have you seen this?07:38
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Trimblei give up for now.. i'll look at this later.  apt-get excedrin07:44
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lagamy development VM is broken for some reason07:45
lagawhich is really, really, annoying.07:46
sebrocklaga, check this out: http://www.pastebin.ca/69228407:48
sebrockthats my sources. And then 'apt-get update' && apt-get -s upgrade07:48
sebrockgives me only libmyth07:49
lagawhjat does dpkg -l \*myth\*07:49
lagasebrock: btw, does aptitude do the same?07:52
sebrockwhat do you mean?07:55
sebrockdoes the same?07:55
lagaif you use aptitude isntead of apt-get07:55
lagadoes your problem persist then?07:56
sebrockthats the same stuff is it not?07:56
tgm4883thats interesting07:57
sebrocksame thing07:57
tgm4883i just added proposed in synaptic and .20.2 shows as the latest version of mythtv07:57
lagasebrock: just install the packages manually then07:57
sebrockwait maybe I'll have to remove the standard sources07:58
sebrockI see now that this libmyth is listed in multiverse07:58
sebrockno its not07:58
tgm4883no you need the regular also07:58
sebrockno wait, now I can see them07:59
sebrock??? this is strange07:59
sebrocklaga: The following packages have been kept back:08:01
sebrock  gnupg mythtv-backend mythtv-backend-master mythtv-common mythtv-database08:01
sebrockthis is with apt-get08:02
sebrocknow why would they be kept back?08:02
tgm4883something funky with your setup08:02
sebrockheh, fresh install of server edition08:02
tgm4883they would be kept back if they depended on a version of a package that hasn't been updated yet08:02
tgm4883perhaps thats your problem08:02
tgm4883server edition08:03
sebrockmaybe so, so do a upgrade first and then another?08:03
tgm4883what does uname -a say?08:03
lagasuperm1: ping08:03
sebrockin aptitude, these packages are shown in red and marked "UNSATISFIED"08:04
tgm4883does it say why?08:04
sebrockLinux server 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 19:00:28 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux08:04
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sebrockany clues?08:06
tgm4883does it say why it is unsatisfied?08:07
tgm4883it should08:07
lagasuperm1: just applied this patch to the mythplugins-trunk branch: http://www.pastebin.ca/69231008:07
lagasuperm1: someone couldn't purge because it tried rm that dir which wouldn't work because it's a directory ;) - isn't it just supposed to delete the content of that dir or do you think the patch is fine?08:08
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superm1_tgm4883, you here?08:13
lagasuperm1: got time to review a small patch?08:14
tgm4883yea barely08:14
tgm4883whats up08:14
superm1_laga, sure08:14
laga19:56 < laga> superm1: just applied this patch to the mythplugins-trunk branch: http://www.pastebin.ca/69231008:14
laga19:57 < laga> superm1: someone couldn't purge because it tried rm that dir which wouldn't work because it's a directory ;) - isn't it just supposed to delete the content of that dir or do you think the patch is fine?08:14
superm1_tgm4883, i got ahold of majoridiot08:14
lagahope i'm making sense08:14
tgm4883about firewire?08:14
superm1_tgm4883, he's likely not going to be able to join too much this cycle.  lost his job08:14
superm1_and a few other things08:14
superm1_tgm4883, so i was going to see if you wanted to take over doing the gutsy part of the wiki?08:15
superm1_i expect it shouldnt be too bad08:15
superm1_just sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre08:15
tgm4883Installs and such08:15
superm1_and your set :)08:15
tgm4883i can take care of that08:15
superm1_dont worry too much about the standalone installs that are without a desktop08:15
superm1_just link them to mythbuntu.org for that08:15
superm1_but for the desktop installs, just include a few screenshots linking to the control centre08:16
superm1_and explain what you can do with it and such08:16
tgm4883ok, i'll start with upgrading from gutsy to include mythbuntu08:16
tgm4883then converting a desktop into a standalone08:16
lagasuperm1_: btw, i can boot the mythbuntu disk with the "broken" kernel (wrt unionfs), but apt-get update. i'm filing a bug right now08:16
tgm4883and probably a couple different ones08:16
superm1_well not necessarily even a converting to standalone08:16
superm1_maybe just "adding mythbuntu" roles08:16
superm1_since its really stll a desktop afterward08:17
superm1_just automatically logs in and has all the mythbuntu magic08:17
superm1_laga, i tihnk there is already a bug files08:17
lagasuperm1_: yeah, but i'm not getting a kernel oops08:17
lagaso it looks different08:17
superm1_you get something with a mmap msync08:17
lagacould be a completely different issue08:18
tgm4883alright, i'm off to grab some lunch and a few appointments08:18
superm1_tgm4883, okay cool08:18
lagasuperm1_: that's the one08:18
superm1_laga, yea its the same thing i think08:18
superm1_checkout dmesg08:18
superm1_you'll see all the unionfs errors showing up there after the apt-get update08:18
superm1_regarding your patch, is this data directory something new to trunk?08:18
laga"error creating directory tree for rename"08:19
lagasuperm1_: i dont think so08:19
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superm1_well i dont see why that patch would be any trouble08:19
lagamight wanna use it as well then08:20
superm1_well as long as that is happening during purge only08:20
superm1_not during a normal remove08:20
lagazsnes time for me08:32
lagabefore i have a nervous, live-cd induced breakdown08:33
superm1_i hope that is fixed in the near future08:33
lagathere'll be a time08:33
lagawhere i run mythbuntu_install.sh08:34
lagaand it'll just work08:34
lagabut for now, that's just a dream08:34
superm1_well it usually does08:34
superm1_actually the change i added08:34
superm1_you'll need to get a copy of the private gpg key if your going to sign properly with it08:34
superm1_or sign it with your own gpg key instead08:34
lagai'm signing with my own key08:35
superm1_okay so you'll have to modify the $APTKEY08:35
superm1_that is added during the build08:35
superm1_and make sure it is using yours instead08:35
lagai did that08:35
superm1_okay good08:36
lagaright, i'll kick off a rebuild with the trunk repository enabled and gather some logs08:36
superm1_should just be a matter of changing the PPA that it uses08:36
superm1_(in theory)08:36
superm1_depending on how long ago this unionfs bug was introduced, you might be able to make it use an older kernel08:37
lagajust want a succesful iso build right now08:38
lagai added a second supplemental_mirror setting and added the necessary lines to the sources.list it creates08:39
lagaok, zsnes it is!08:39
rhpot1991formatc: will apache follow symlinks for images?08:43
rhpot1991woops, wrong room, sorry guys08:44
Davieylaga: you use znes?08:52
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spiderworm2hey all, is there a noticable improvement using 64 bit ubuntu and myth?09:23
directhexdepends for what09:25
directhexfor a frontend? no. backend? no, not that either. for anything that involves cpu-intensive transcoding (e.g. archiving to or from dvd), commercial scanning, yeah those will benefit09:26
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spiderworm2ok... well, im not too worried about transcoding and commercial scanning09:26
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directhexwere 0.20.2 packages meant to be on the -backports repos yet? i can't see anything on my feisty machine10:10
tgm4883afaik, they haven't cleared proposed yet10:11
AlowishusMario just changed the MOTU status on the -proposed bug... so I'm guessing it means they were finally accepted... perhpas just a matter of waiting for them to hit mirrors10:14
Alowishusand by just I mean I got the email like 30 minutes ago10:14
ubotuLaunchpad bug 134726 in mythtv "MythTV 0.20.2 SRU " [High,Fix committed] 10:15
AlowishusDoes anyone do any sort of monitoring on their systems for mythbackend crashes?10:16
AlowishusI've had a couple and didn't necessariyl notice them until the next day... would be nice to set up mon or something to catch the crash and restart the backend10:16
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MythbuntuGuest70evening, I know mythbuntu is in alpha stage right now but is it useable?10:59
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DavieyMythbuntuGuest70: yes11:15
DavieyIt's as stable as Ubuntu Gutsy, which is still not out - but it is getting near it's release time11:16
superm1Alowishus, tomorrow i'm going to subscribe ubuntu-archive, and then they just need to accept them and they should hit the mirrors11:18
superm1(tomorrow is the 7 day mark)11:18
Alowishusahh ok11:18
superm1with any luck they should accept and clear quickly11:19
superm1but cant guarantee as its in their hands at that point11:20
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directhexi've found about a three weeks before release to be a reasonable time to update an ubuntu system - that said, i confess, i'm not impressed with the QA that goes into cleanly upgrading. quite frequently, config files aren't overwritten with modern versions which breaks something (my laptop was really quite bad, but fine with a gutsy tribe5 install)11:22
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Davieysuperm1: Not many people have hit the repo's11:32
Davieyor at least mine11:32
lagakung fu hustle is a great movie.11:33
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directhexso is the powerpuff girls movie11:38
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MythbuntuGuest65Has anyone here used mythwelcome?11:44
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MythbuntuGuest65I was wanting to try mythwelcome on my mythbuntu box, but I can't find which script is doing the auto-login for the mythtv user11:45
lagaMythbuntuGuest65: wait a second11:47
lagaMythbuntuGuest65: see /etc/mythtv/session-settings11:47
MythbuntuGuest70I've been asked to install a distributed media system for a friends house, there are ten rooms each with a HDTV, the plan is to use two ubuntu servers as file servers and then a small mini-itx box in each room with mythbuntu on, any suggestions on this setup?11:48
MythbuntuGuest65Thank you11:48
MythbuntuGuest70oh and is there a way to donat to the mythbuntu project, I'm gonna be getting paid for this so tis only fair to share11:49
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lagaMythbuntuGuest65: donations? we dont have a setup for donations yet, but it sounds like a neat idea11:50
lagaten rooms with a hdtv set? nice.11:51
MythbuntuGuest70I've looked at several media centre setups and mythbuntu seems to fit the bill from what I've read11:52
MythbuntuGuest70got it downloading tonight so going to have a bash tomorrow11:52
lagaMythbuntuGuest70: i dont have any mini-itx hardware suggestions off-hand, but the mythtv mailing list should have some suggestions. there are some mini-itx boards with lots of power11:52
lagayeah, you should take a look first. i'd probably wait for the final release, ubuntu gutsy is still in a satate of flux11:53
MythbuntuGuest70I've been looking at a jetway board with nvidia 7xxx graphics and onboard dolby, oh and and hdmi output, for 59!!!!11:53
lagaMythbuntuGuest70: is that mini-itx?11:54
MythbuntuGuest65Is there linux support for dolby-live?11:54
MythbuntuGuest70doh, hang on, thats micro-atx11:54
lagaMythbuntuGuest70: do you have a model number so i can order some and cuddle with it at night?11:54
lagawhat is dolby live? :)11:54
lagaah, microatx. still cool.11:54
lagasuperm1: ping11:54
MythbuntuGuest65Onboard dolby...  Encodes multichannel surround into dolby digital on the fly11:55
lagaMythbuntuGuest65: that sounds like a really cool feature. i'm not sure if this is available in linux... maybe some apps can do it.. you should talk to the ALSA guys11:55
lagasuperm1: are we taking donations? MythbuntuGuest65 would like to donate if he ends up using mythbuntu11:55
superm1i'm still on the border about doing that.11:56
superm1part of me wants to say yes11:56
superm1part of me no11:56
superm1perhaps only if it pays for hosting and things like that11:56
lagareasons? (or discuss it on the ML?)11:56
superm1that people have had to incur costs11:56
MythbuntuGuest70this was one board I looked at, the main requirement is hdmi....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153064R11:56
MythbuntuGuest65MythbuntuGuest70 not 65...11:56
lagasuperm1: right, but maybe some people (not me, at least not right now) could use additional hardware - maybe new hardware so they can add support for that11:57
lagasorry, MythbuntuGuest70 it is :)11:57
superm1that's a good point too11:57
directhexsod mini-itx, use a mac mini?11:57
lagaMythbuntuGuest70, MythbuntuGuest65: you can change your nick name using /nick mynewnick11:57
superm1well hows this sound11:57
superm1we'll put off setting up a donation system until release11:57
MythbuntuGuest70yeah somebody else suggested a mac11:57
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superm1and at release time we'll discuss it in more detail about where the money would go and such11:57
superm1i would want to make sure that it wasn't abused in any way11:58
superm1and that it didn't change the project's dynamic11:58
lagasuperm1: sounds good. i like procrastination.11:58
MythbuntuGuest70seriously, if you set a donation system up I'll chip in + I work for a comms-company and we are looking at going in to home distributed media systems11:58
lagacommie companies? omg11:58
superm1MythbuntuGuest70, awesome.  we'll have something within the next 1-2 months decided :)11:59
MythbuntuGuest70i know open source is all about sharing but...at the end of the day somebody has to code...test it all11:59
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directhexMythbuntuGuest70, so donate to mythtv a little?12:00
lagamythtv project doesn't accept donations. maybe individual developers will.12:00
MythbuntuGuest70I've only stumbled accross mythv/mythbuntu today on the #ubuntu irc channel, downloading as we speak to have a look12:00
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, mythtv is a very client-server design, it's specifically deaigned to allow one server full of tv cards with a number of machines connecting to it12:01
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, and multiple, intercommunicating servers with machines connected to them12:01
MythbuntuGuest70oooohhh no that sounds like the ideal solution, so i could have a server (or two) with DVB cards and feed out the tv programs to several clients?12:02
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, precisely12:02
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directhexMythbuntuGuest70, it gets better... you know how you can run linux on a playstation 3? ;)12:02
MythbuntuGuest70ummmm, I didnt but now I do :)12:03
directhexthere's no mythbuntu build for PPC, but never mind. it's still a mouth-watering idea for a project like this: a disk-laden server or two, and playstation 3s as frontends - they also doubel up as hdtv gaming machines. that's my vision right now anyway ;)12:03
superm1well i toyed with PPC builds12:04
superm1but there weren't many people with demand12:04
superm1so i didn't go very far with it12:04
superm1the seeds are ready for it, and most the packages12:04
superm1just not the build process12:04
MythbuntuGuest70what about linux on xbox?12:04
MythbuntuGuest70isnt there a gentoo for xbox floating about?12:05
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, xbox 1? not enough ram to be useful. and it's a very noisy box12:05
MythbuntuGuest70right, am offski, got a stores database to get stuck in too, I'll keep popping back and let you know how I get on with the micro-atx's12:07
directhexsuperm1, since mythtv commits started happening with ps3 offloading via libspe2, i've become very interested in it as a prospective frontend12:07
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, i'd still think about macs or playstations!12:07
superm1directhex, in trunk?12:07
directhexat least think, if not do. problem with mATX is it's all so terribly ugly, unless you buy very big expensive cases, at which point you'd be better off with a mac, it'd be cheaper & prettier12:08
directhexsuperm1, yeah12:08
superm1ah that'd be why i didn't hear of them :)12:08
MythbuntuGuest70yeah it sounds promising, we have a contact at sony, we've been told 270 for ps3's12:08
MythbuntuGuest70may as well kill two birds with one stone12:08
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, the boxes would also be usable as gaming machines and blu-ray players, seems a pretty interesting prospect to me for a home entertainment scenario12:09
lagamake it work first, though :P12:09
directhexlaga, what's the point in a project if it's not interesting? :p12:10
superm1i'd really like to see laga's trunk packages on a disk, its a shame unionfs is so broke right now12:10
MythbuntuGuest70ok, so i'm the guinea pig now (spelling??)12:10
MythbuntuGuest70right, am off anyway, night peeps12:11
directhexMythbuntuGuest70, guinea pigs get tasty treats and carrots!12:11
MythbuntuGuest70yeah, and stuffed up peoples bums ;)12:11
directhexthat's gerbils!12:12
MythbuntuGuest70you know ;)12:12
directhexi'm watching south park!12:12
directhexactually, lemmiwinks was a hamster12:12
MythbuntuGuest70whatever ;)12:13
lagai thought it was a rat?12:13
lagadirecthex: i watched that episode when i was in bed with fever12:13
lagadude, weird dreams.12:13
lagai wont watch it12:17
lagamusic made me sick last time ;)12:17
keescooksuperm1: just double-checking, mythbuntu doesn't ship with decss, right?12:20
superm1keescook, not right now12:20
keescookokay, that'll likely need to stay that way if we want to have lots of mirrors.  :)12:20
superm1ah yes good point12:21
lagadecss is not OK but liblame is OK? ;)12:22
superm1i've got some basic basic code in mythbuntu-control-centre that will activate medibuntu repos and install dvdcss from them, but i havent turned it on yet12:22
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lagasuperm1: i extended mythbuntu-lirc-generator to add a (configurable) delay= and repeat = section into the lircrcs. i could commit it, but i'd rather have it reviewed first. should i bug foxbuntu or you?12:36
superm1well laga commit it, and i'll see a diff12:36
superm1 :)12:36
superm1it still has to be manually uploaded to universe either way12:36
lagastill testing since i dont actually know python12:38
tgm4883anyone know a whole lot about matching ram?12:39
lagawhat do you need to know?12:40
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tgm4883I went to get a matching stick of ram, but they were out of what I had last time, which was just a kingston PC5300 1 GB stick12:41
tgm4883so I grabbed a PNY PC5300 1GB stick, but im not sure if it's going to work the same or if I should just exchange it for the kingston when it's back in stock12:42
tgm4883and I didnt' really feel like ordering it and waiting for it12:42
directhexyou're fine12:43
lagarun memtest86 and check it12:43
lagabut yes, should be OK12:43
directhexif you're that stressed, run decode-dimms.pl to check both sticks have matching timings12:43
tgm4883well, my question is, for dual channel operation12:43
tgm4883will it work12:43
directhextgm4883, anything goes, as long as both sticks are the same size, for dual channel12:43
lagayour bios should tell ya that12:43
tgm4883well I was contemplating not opening it, as the stupid restocking fee is like 15%12:44
directhextgm4883, just make sure you use the right slot. some boards you need matchig colors, some you need non-matching colors12:44
tgm4883holey crap12:45
tgm4883why must they make this things so freaking hard to open12:45
directhexcheck the manual12:45
directhextgm4883, blister pack? get an argon laser!12:45
tgm4883I dont think there is a manual to open it ;)12:45
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