[01:17] <Daviey> superm1: should be dandy
[01:17] <superm1> um
[01:17] <superm1> are we visiting the same site?
[01:18] <superm1> what is seen here: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/
[01:18] <superm1> is what should be seen here http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/
[01:20] <Daviey> ie http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/
[01:20] <denbeiren> dvd works,..
[01:21] <denbeiren> but avi i can't get it
[01:21] <denbeiren> divx that is
[01:21] <Daviey> superm1: The layout must have changed then... this is how you wanted it previously.. i'm sure
[01:21] <superm1> Daviey, this is exactly how ppa.launchpad.net is organized
[01:22] <superm1> it looks like you just need to adjust your symlink
[01:25] <Daviey> superm1: how is that?
[01:25] <superm1> Daviey, much better :)
[01:25] <superm1> how frequently do you have yours set to update now?
[01:26] <Daviey> erm.. once every time i type ./update ;)
[01:26] <Daviey> I'll cron it now
[01:26] <Daviey> what are you setting yours for?
[01:26] <superm1> well axel's cron thing is still broke
[01:26] <superm1> so i might setup a cron that will ssh in and do it from somewhere else
[01:27] <Daviey> heh
[01:27] <superm1> but i was thinking once every 6 hours or so?
[01:27] <Daviey> Well if we do it at the same UTC time, then it should keep them in sync
[01:27] <Daviey> 6hrs?  hmm...
[01:28] <Daviey> I suppose it shouldn't use too much bandwidth, as apt-mirror should just get changed packages
[01:28] <superm1> double check that
[01:28] <superm1> as long as that is the case, then i say a more frequent schedule is the way to go
[01:28] <Daviey> Well if it does use bw... then i don't think it needs to be that freq.. especially as it is called weekly builds :)
[01:29] <superm1> yea
[01:29] <superm1> but it also grabs everything else from the PPA too
[01:29] <superm1> so it might make more sense to do cd builds from that
[01:30] <Daviey> true... what are we doing about a 'stable' branch?
[01:30] <Daviey> Ie, one that won't pest people *every* week to upgrade?
[01:31] <Daviey> but still newer than official repo's?
[01:31] <superm1> well isn't that what this is?
[01:31] <superm1> if they dont want to upgrade they dont upgrade
[01:31] <Daviey> this is mythtv svn trunk right?
[01:32] <superm1> well trunk and fixes
[01:32] <superm1> are both here
[01:32] <Daviey> of course.. doh
[01:33] <Daviey> Should we include the released 0.20.2?
[01:33] <Daviey> as a third?
[01:33] <superm1> that will be on -updates
[01:33] <superm1> of the normal repos
[01:33] <superm1> soon (hopefully)
[01:33] <Daviey> arg.. you are correct
[01:34] <superm1> well get some sleep :)
[01:34] <Daviey> I haven't capped the weekly builds... so hopefully it won't get too hammered
[01:34] <Daviey> I wouldn't have thought so...
[01:35] <denbeiren> i think i'll be getting some sleep aswell,..
[01:35] <denbeiren> i got .mpg to work
[01:35] <denbeiren> tomorrow .wmv, divx and xvid
[01:35] <Daviey> nn all
[01:35] <superm1> nn
[01:35] <superm1> denbeiren, what are you using this with?
[01:36] <denbeiren> why can't they put it in from the beginning
[01:36] <superm1> mplayer, xine myth?
[01:36] <denbeiren> mythtv
[01:36] <superm1> you can try using an external player instead
[01:37] <denbeiren> i just want the system to use mythbuntu and play it all,..
[01:38] <denbeiren> i don't want to go into a desktop environement an play around there,..
[01:38] <superm1> you dont need to
[01:38] <superm1> you set up an external player to be called from within mythtv
[01:38] <denbeiren> my wife has to be able tu use the mce aswell
[01:38] <denbeiren> so what would you advise?
[01:38] <superm1> such as xine or mplayer
[01:38] <superm1> well i use xine myself
[01:39] <superm1> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythVideo
[01:39] <superm1> that will discuss how to setup xine to work
[01:39] <denbeiren> the system will mostly be used to rip dvd's, (maybe convert them to divx for example) watch downloaden movies (xvid + divx
[01:39] <denbeiren> and listen to some music ,..
[01:40] <denbeiren> of course watch sat tv and record,.. but that's for later, when i find someone to help me config the dvb card
[01:40] <superm1> right, well there is nothing wrong with using xine for now, the only difference is that its an external app rather than using internal myth to play stuff back
[01:40] <superm1> so myth acts more like a fe for selecting your videos and just queueing them up
[01:41] <denbeiren> so download the package, log out of mythtv, set up xine in desktop environement and go back into myth?
[01:42] <superm1> well if your on mythbuntu alpha 4
[01:42] <superm1> open up the control centre
[01:42] <superm1> and select xine
[01:42] <superm1> hit apply and it will download
[01:42] <superm1> close the control centre, and then go to the mythvideo setup area and just change it to use xine as the default as described on that page
[01:45] <denbeiren> xine was already selected there
[01:45] <denbeiren> as is everything else
[01:46] <superm1> okay then you've got it installed already
[01:46] <superm1> just activate it as described on that page
[01:46] <denbeiren> i don't really get it what they mean there :(
[01:48] <denbeiren> $ xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo
[01:48] <superm1> okay so you go into the settings menu
[01:48] <superm1> and choose media
[01:48] <superm1> and choose mythvideo
[01:48] <denbeiren> this in the terminal screen?
[01:48] <superm1> it will pull up a page that has a text box
[01:48] <superm1> that currently has it listed as "Internal"
[01:48] <superm1> you switch that over to be " xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo"
[01:48] <superm1> instead
[01:49] <denbeiren> ok will try
[01:50] <denbeiren> tv out works like a charm btw
[01:50] <denbeiren> thanks again ;-)
[01:50] <superm1> wonderful :)
[01:54] <denbeiren> the new player is being used now,.. and wmv file is playing
[01:54] <denbeiren> but i have the "controlpanel" of the player in midscreen :s
[01:55] <denbeiren> and no sound :s
[01:55] <superm1> well the control panel is easily hidden, and sounds settings adjustable
[01:55] <TelnetManta> Hiya superm1
[01:55] <superm1> hi TelnetManta
[01:55] <TelnetManta> ANything new on the ubuntu mythtv front?
[01:56] <superm1> well there is always new stuff going down in here :)
[01:56] <denbeiren> soundvolume is on,.. think i'm missing a codec here
[01:56] <TelnetManta> my box has been chugging along so I havent been around the chan much
[01:56] <superm1> TelnetManta, well that's a good thing though right?
[01:56] <superm1> denbeiren, try a file that you should have the codecs
[01:56] <TelnetManta> oh yeah. But you never know what kind of good stuff youre missing
[01:57] <superm1> TelnetManta, well we're gonna switch things over to an xfce based env in the near future
[01:57] <denbeiren> i'll try that tomorrow,... i'll put some testfiles on there to check
[01:57] <superm1> okay
[01:58] <denbeiren> thanks again m8!!
[01:58] <superm1> night denbeiren
[03:33] <[_Trimble_] > hi
[04:44] <foxbuntu> evening superm1
[06:31] <MythbuntuGuest46> Anyone have a fix for directories that are screwed up at umn.edu?  You can't install restricted drivers etc automatically
[06:36] <ubotu> New bug: #138810 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythtv Frontend doesn't work with some sound systems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138810
[06:44] <MythbuntuGuest46> Nevermind - apt-get update fixed the issue
[08:08] <Deffcon> laga ?
[08:13] <Deffcon> superm1?
[08:13] <superm1> yea what's up?
[08:13] <Deffcon> stevenshiau the creator of drbl / clonezilla is online now
[08:14] <superm1> ah hello stevenshiau
[08:14] <stevenshiau> Hi Deffcon, superml
[08:14] <stevenshiau> Deffcon told me to join this
[08:14] <superm1> too bad laga isn't around, i haven't kept up with the discussion on drbl
[08:14] <stevenshiau> I think he want drbl to work with mythtv
[08:14] <superm1> so you guys will have to fill me in on things
[08:20] <Deffcon> superm1 : ask laga i told him everything yesterday
[08:21] <superm1> okay so what can you compare drbl to?
[08:21] <superm1> what's it similar to
[08:23] <stevenshiau> superml: it's similar to LTSP fat client mode
[08:23] <stevenshiau> recently in LTSP 5, there is a mode for fat client. LTSP used to be only for thin client
[08:23] <superm1> so its a pxe boot setup ?
[08:23] <stevenshiau> sort of
[08:24] <stevenshiau> DRBL is for fat client only
[08:24] <stevenshiau> client uses PXE/etherboot to boot
[08:24] <superm1> by fat client, that means the what exactly then?
[08:24] <stevenshiau> DRBL = Diskless Remote Boot in Linux
[08:26] <stevenshiau> fat client means the client has all the power (memory, CPU) to run the application locally
[08:26] <stevenshiau> not in the terminal mode
[08:26] <superm1> well so how does this differ from a pxe boot with nfs root then?
[08:26] <stevenshiau> actually that's the same one
[08:26] <stevenshiau> DRBL just make people to create a diskless server easily
[08:27] <stevenshiau> s/make/makes/g
[08:27] <superm1> ah i see
[08:27] <stevenshiau> no more a lot of howtos..
[08:27] <superm1> so drbl provides a quick setup to do an install in an nfs root, create the nfs share
[08:27] <superm1> etc
[08:27] <stevenshiau> yes
[08:28] <stevenshiau> you can check this url for more details http://drbl.sf.net
[08:29] <superm1> yea this looks quite similar to the setup that i use (but did everything by hand) for my HD FE
[08:30] <superm1> how come this isn't in Ubuntu repos?
[08:31] <stevenshiau> well... I think we have to polish the codes
[08:31] <stevenshiau> and since there is already LTSP 5
[08:31] <superm1> have you made an attempt to get it in yet? or no
[08:31] <stevenshiau> not really
[08:31] <superm1> well what is the advantage of this over LTSP 5 then?
[08:31] <stevenshiau> but will try to polish the codes first
[08:32] <stevenshiau> http://drbl.sourceforge.net/faq/index.php#path=./1_Common&entry=01_DRBL_LTSP.faq
[08:32] <stevenshiau> ///NOTE/// From LTSP 5.0, there is a fat client (diskless workstation, LowFat client) mode, it's basically quite similar to DRBL.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> Besides the diskless (fat/powerful) client mode provided by DRBL, DRBL provides other functions, such as:
[08:32] <stevenshiau> (a) Clonezilla, the opensource clone system. It's a server version of imaging tool, similar to Ghost server edition, True image or Rembo. By using Clonezilla, you can clone a 5.6 GBytes system image to 40 computers within 10 minutes via multicasting.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> (b) Small Linux diskless soltion. DRBL provides Damn Small Linux (DSL), PuppyLinux... for clients. You can import those small Linux distributions and let client boot from PXE without hardisk, CD or USB flash drive.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> (c) Diskless FreeDOS for clients.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> (d) Diskless memtest for clients.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> (e) Install GNU/Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, Mandriva, SuSE...) for clients from network.
[08:32] <stevenshiau> LTSP and DRBL each have their own benefits. Choose the one that is best suited to your needs.
[08:33] <stevenshiau> To others: sorry for the long messages
[08:34] <superm1> well at this point it is too late in the release cycle to get things into ubuntu/mythbuntu.  Starting in nov/dec though, I can work with you guys to get this into ubuntu at a minimum
[08:34] <superm1> and then go from there when we do some experimentation
[08:34] <superm1> so that gives you a few months to work on the code polishing and such
[08:34] <stevenshiau> yes.
[08:35] <stevenshiau> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/98886
[08:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98886 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  drbl / clonezilla" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 
[08:35] <stevenshiau> ha, thanks. ubotu
[08:37] <superm1> well indeed, i'll subscribe to that bug
[08:37] <superm1> and once the next cycle starts, if no one else takes i tup
[08:37] <superm1> i'll be glad to
[08:38] <stevenshiau> thanks, superml
[08:41] <stevenshiau> I think what Deffcon now he wants is to make mythtv work with DRBL
[08:41] <superm1> well i dont see why it wont
[08:41] <stevenshiau> I did try that about 1 month ago
[08:42] <stevenshiau> but failed
[08:42] <superm1> like i said i have a setup very similar to what drbl has
[08:42] <superm1> and i use it for my hidef frontend
[08:42] <stevenshiau> maybe it's because of the file arch
[08:42] <stevenshiau> not sure
[08:42] <stevenshiau> I never run mythtv before... Sorry to say that :)
[08:42] <superm1> well when things failed?
[08:42] <superm1> what happened?
[08:42] <stevenshiau> ok, cool
[08:43] <Deffcon> superm1 : i'm pretty sure that drbl is an outcome for mythbuntu, because you can everything diskless
[08:43] <stevenshiau> because drbl client share /usr with that in drbl server
[08:43] <stevenshiau> do you think it's a problem or not ?
[08:43] <superm1> oh no not at all
[08:43] <superm1> as long as they have their own /etc
[08:43] <superm1> not a big deal
[08:43] <stevenshiau> although every drbl client has its own /etc, /var
[08:43] <superm1> but having their own /var will mix things up
[08:43] <stevenshiau> ok
[08:43] <stevenshiau> good
[08:44] <superm1> because then what happens when apt thinks a package is installed on one
[08:44] <stevenshiau> no, every client has its own /etc/, var/
[08:44] <superm1> but not the other
[08:44] <stevenshiau> oh
[08:44] <superm1> then it finds the files in /usr on one of them
[08:44] <stevenshiau> yes
[08:44] <stevenshiau> yes
[08:44] <superm1> so how do you get around that?
[08:45] <stevenshiau> so they can not share /var/lib/dpkg ?
[08:45] <superm1> well they will need to share that
[08:45] <superm1> for it to make snese
[08:45] <superm1> sense even
[08:45] <superm1> but if they have their own /var
[08:45] <superm1> they wont share that
[08:45] <stevenshiau> actually in drbl client, it will...
[08:46] <stevenshiau> since /var/lib/dpkg is mounted again.
[08:46] <stevenshiau> but it can be removed actually
[08:46] <stevenshiau> just need to know that
[08:46] <Deffcon> and its very fast when booting client
[08:46] <stevenshiau> so you mean mythtv will check /var/lib/dpkg ?
[08:46] <Deffcon> superm1 i use drbl clonezilla for my work 57 clients
[08:46] <superm1> wow
[08:46] <superm1> big setup there
[08:46] <Deffcon> yep
[08:47] <superm1> well its not necessarily a mythtv specific issue with /var/lib/dpkg/
[08:47] <superm1> but just a general issue i forsee
[08:47] <Deffcon> http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?in_path=/09_NCCW_Holland
[08:47] <stevenshiau> ok
[08:48] <superm1> um http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?op=show&filepath=album//09_NCCW_Holland/IMG_0005.JPG ?
[08:49] <Deffcon> yes windows clients as well but for that to clone i use clonezilla, basically for mythtv u only have to use drbl
[08:49] <superm1> right
[08:49] <superm1> well so ideally how do you think this would fit in mythbuntu then?
[08:50] <superm1> someone would use it to install a drbl/mythbuntu backend
[08:50] <superm1> or would add it on later?
[08:50] <Deffcon> ok i will tell you an example
[08:51] <Deffcon> i used linuxmce for a while there is an option to use diskless frontends
[08:52] <superm1> as in during install of the main box?
[08:53] <Deffcon> but to complex drbl makes it very simple to use, the enduser when drbl is installed will not have to worry about difficulties its very easy to maintain when its intergrated into mythbuntu, example is have an pc's lying around in my bedroom and i want to have an frontend, just boot the frontend from pxe and you get an diskless mythfrontend
[08:53] <superm1> yea i can see that being a very attractive setup
[08:53] <Deffcon> actually if its possible you can implemted drbl in live cd installer under advanceed option next to choosing primary frontend/backend only frontend etc
[08:54] <superm1> yea that seems like a good place that it would fit
[08:54] <superm1> and then having an option later on in the control centre to add it as well
[08:54] <Deffcon> in fact on my work when i tell drbl to boot all my 57 clients of one server in this case the backend/ drbl server the clients boots in less then 1 1/2 minutes
[08:55] <Deffcon> yes for example actually that is a great idea and just mention the option "drbl pxe booting "in the installer that you can install this later from mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:56] <superm1> well eventually all the options in the installer will be available inthe control centre
[08:56] <superm1> there just is so many at this point, that its becoming a management nightmakre
[08:56] <superm1> the control centre will need to be revamped again i think
[08:56] <Deffcon> but it look very ggood
[08:57] <superm1> there is a lot of hidden options in it, that aren't activated because of the code behind them becoming so ugly :)
[08:58] <Deffcon> but do you think that drbl would be something fro mythbuntu, would'nt it be cool to let fronmtends bootoff the backend
[08:59] <Deffcon> and fully boot in an frontend
[08:59] <superm1> yea it would be pretty cool
[08:59] <superm1> with my current setup, my old frontend had a mobo go bad
[08:59] <superm1> so i was able to take my desktop, bring it to the living room and turn on pxe boot for it
[08:59] <superm1> and it booted up my pxe setup
[08:59] <Deffcon> but stevenshiau is a really clever and good  man what i think he would be glad to help
[08:59] <superm1> i'm sure tons of people would love to have things like that going
[09:00] <Deffcon> superm1 : i thought that laga build svn last night for new svn trunk
[09:01] <superm1> Deffcon, i've no idea what he did :)
[09:01] <stevenshiau> Deffcon: I am only a common man, not so clever, just like to have fun with Linux
[09:01] <Deffcon> i may think you're are a clever man
[09:02] <stevenshiau> Deffcon: anyway, whatever you say
[09:02] <stevenshiau> I know you want me to make drbl work with mythtv
[09:02] <stevenshiau> sure, I will do my best to try that
[09:02] <Deffcon> yep
[09:02] <Deffcon> because i really think that this is what people are looking for at home
[09:03] <Deffcon> because everyone has lying old and new hardware at home to give new live
[09:05] <Deffcon> superm1 : will you give drbl a try ?
[09:05] <superm1> Deffcon, not within this release cycle, but for sure afterward
[09:05] <superm1> within this cycle my time is already stretched thin enough :)
[09:05] <Deffcon> wow cool man
[09:06] <Deffcon> i told you yesterday that you can give me some testing work to find bugs or test other stuff
[09:06] <superm1> yea i've got your nvidia-settings bug fixed
[09:06] <superm1> i'm gonna upload that tonight
[09:06] <Deffcon> really wow you're are fast
[09:06] <superm1> i just had one more change to add to the control centre before doing so
[09:06] <superm1> it was a quick fix
[09:06] <Deffcon> what was the problem
[09:07] <superm1> nvidia-settings didn't support a command line switch that was being passed to it
[09:07] <Deffcon> oh ok that i understand
[09:07] <Deffcon> tell me what can i test
[09:08] <Deffcon> i would really what to try svn trunk but its not working with this release
[09:08] <superm1> well at this point, as soon as DaveMorris has the xfce stuff ready to go: that
[09:08] <superm1> but i'm not sure how he is coming on that
[09:08] <superm1> i've got what i think will resolve the cd respository problem too
[09:09] <superm1> but i'm not sure yet
[09:09] <Deffcon> tell me
[09:09] <superm1> well it requires rebuilding the disk again
[09:09] <superm1> with some additional signing on it
[09:10] <Deffcon> with what tooling are you doing this
[09:10] <superm1> its a hand crafted script
[09:10] <superm1> stored in one of our bzr branches
[09:10] <superm1> over here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk
[09:11] <Deffcon> mythbuntu is really the thing i whas looking for home and drbl for work so i thought bring those people together and make it an fantastic open-source product
[09:36] <Deffcon> superm1 : can i test something for you
[09:40] <superm1> Deffcon, i'm gonna push the update to mythbuntu-control-centre in a few minutes to the archive, so if you can find anything else wrong with it
[09:40] <superm1> it will probably take a little to publish depending on which mirror your using
[09:42] <superm1> i'm headed to bed though for now.
[09:43] <superm1> night night
[09:54] <Deffcon> night superm1
[11:21] <laga> i wonder why some emails from launchad/bug tracker are correctly sorted into the ubuntu-mythtv folder in TB while some still show up in my inbox
[11:21] <laga> blah
[11:28] <DaveMorris> when people send a document to themselves but BCC it to everyone else the mail filters don't work
[11:28] <laga> ah
[11:36] <DaveMorris> with the new trunk builds, are wew able to create a tag for the bugs to be filled correctly under this
[11:37] <laga> let's see
[11:37] <laga> ugh, using launchpad before n oon
[11:38] <laga> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/
[11:38] <laga> we can report 'em here
[11:42] <laga> https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/138843
[11:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138843 in mythbuntu "Test bug" [Undecided,New] 
[11:42] <laga> DaveMorris: ^^ do you see where you can tag bugs?
[11:43] <laga> hum
[11:43] <laga> ok, looks like bugs should be filed against project "mythbuntu-trunk" then.
[11:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138843 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138843
[11:51] <laga> Deffcon: the trunk builds are ready, except for mythplugins again :/
[11:51] <laga> Deffcon: i'll kick off a rebuild in a few minutes and let you know when it's ready.
[11:52] <DaveMorris> why can't I see Deffcon's questions?
[11:54] <laga> in launchpad?
[11:54] <DaveMorris> in here
[11:56] <laga> he didn't aks any
[11:56] <laga> he asked a few hours ago
[11:56] <DaveMorris> ahh
[12:05] <ubotu> New bug: #138848 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug #2" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138848
[12:05] <laga> cool
[12:20] <laga> DaveMorris: thx
[12:21] <DaveMorris> we going to get any more spam ;)
[12:21] <laga> no, not today
[12:55] <laga> how do you m ake internal links to pages on mythbuntu.org?
[12:56] <DaveMorris> not sure, I've done it though
[12:57] <laga> i'll just make a normal link then
[12:58] <laga> yay
[12:58] <laga> mythplugins trunk build was published
[12:58] <laga> i hope i won't have to touch these anymore in the next time
[12:58] <laga> been spending way too much time with that
[01:20] <ubotu> New bug: #138857 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mytharchive calling ffmpeg with wrong resolution" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138857
[02:09] <laga> lovely. CD building is troublesome for me. wonder if it's broken because i added the mythbuntu-trunk ppa as well
[02:11] <laga> looks like it's working after configuring the packages manually
[02:15] <bendailey> Daviey, hello?
[02:27] <Daviey> bendailey: hey
[02:27] <DeGon> just tearing mythbunto down, will see how it works. tried it before with mythdora but tv-tuner was not detected....
[02:27] <DeGon> hello
[02:28] <DeGon> hoping on better hardware detection with mythbuntu
[02:29] <DeGon> anybody familiar with the mythbuntu project in here?
[02:29] <bendailey> DeGon: this is where alot of the mythbuntu talk happens
[02:29] <Daviey> DeGon: YES
[02:30] <bendailey> Daviey: I have reached my bandwidth limit
[02:30] <Daviey> eek
[02:30] <DeGon> very nice.... just downloaded it and will give a try
[02:30] <Daviey> Okay.. i'll remove you
[02:30] <Daviey> bendailey: what is your limit?
[02:30] <DeGon> still seeking fort the ultimate MC solution (since nearly 2 years)
[02:31] <laga> DeGon: what hardware do you have?
[02:31] <Daviey> bendailey: You should stop recieving traffic automajically now
[02:32] <laga> DaveMorris: congratulations
[02:32] <DeGon> ia have a home build htpc with a P4 2,8Ghz on a mini-itx mobo
[02:32] <bendailey> yeah I am going to shoot an email to the provider and see if I can buy a bigger package
[02:32] <bendailey> Daviey: My Limit is 10GB/month
[02:32] <DeGon> with a pvr 150 hauppauge tv tuner
[02:32] <laga> DeGon: mythbuntu should detect your tv tuner.
[02:32] <Daviey> bendailey: eeek - i reckon you reached that yonks ago
[02:33] <DeGon> already mythdora should have detected it but didn't
[02:33] <DaveMorris> DeGon: whats the video chipset?
[02:33] <DeGon> unfortunately its an integrated 32megs chipset (s3 savage) which can take up to 256 megs from RAM (1GB)
[02:34] <laga> DeGon: what's the problem with that?
[02:35] <DeGon> windows with mediaportal was impossible to run tv
[02:35] <laga> oh
[02:35] <DeGon> suse with myth tv did but had other probs there
[02:35] <laga> well, if it's got Xv support, it should work fine with mythtv and SDTV
[02:35] <DeGon> mythdora doesn't find tv tuner
[02:35] <DeGon> xv support?
[02:36] <laga> DeGon: xvideo extension in your x server/driver. allows for accelerated video playback
[02:36] <DeGon> hmm will have a look
[02:38] <DeGon> thats my HTPC (its fanless ;) ) http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/fanless_htpc_p4_2_8_ghz-t3937.html
[02:39] <laga> i bet that gets hot
[02:40] <laga> oh, nice case
[02:40] <DeGon> on the outside a it but not really 53 Celsius max on the processor after 2 hours of 100%
[02:41] <laga> nice
[02:41] <laga> DeGon: you german?
[02:41] <DeGon> tested it during 6 hours on 100%, processor temperature was never higher that 53C
[02:41] <DeGon> yes
[02:41] <DeGon> swiss
[02:41] <laga> ah
[02:41] <laga> there's also #mythtv-de and www.mythwiki.de
[02:41] <laga> jmust a FYI ;)
[02:42] <DaveMorris> laga how did you work that out?
[02:42] <DeGon> jeah thats where I was often also... but  am not so patient with mythtv and linux (although i use Linux on my desktop). so i am still looking for the best pre-configured MC
[02:43] <laga> DaveMorris: did work what out?
[02:43] <DaveMorris> that he was German/Swiss?
[02:43] <laga> DaveMorris: usually, /whois degon it is
[02:43] <DeGon|willbeback> hrhr
[02:43] <laga> DaveMorris: but this time, i found various references to german sites in his posting in the mediaportal forum
[02:43] <DaveMorris> ahhh
[02:44] <DeGon|willbeback> so will install now mythbunto for the first time now... its not a live dvd isn't it?
[02:44] <laga> and you can sometimes tell from spelling/grammar mistakes people make, but not in this case ;)
[02:44] <laga> DeGon|willbeback: it's a live cd which can be installed.
[02:44] <DeGon|willbeback> okei... will tell you in some minutes (hours?) how it works on my box
[02:45] <laga> should take like 30 minutes or so, i'd guess
[02:45] <laga> good luck
[02:49] <DeGon|willbeback> ok its installing... nice splash screen
[02:54] <DeGon|willbeback> have u ever heard about the LinuxBios project? they are constructing a new bios that should run with several motherboards and they did it to boot in 3 seconds to a linux console.  LinuxBios and Mythbunto = fast booting mediacenter?
[02:54] <laga> maybe. my hardware i not supported by linuxbios so i'm not trying it
[02:54] <DeGon|willbeback> mine isn't either
[02:55] <DeGon|willbeback> and the company that built my mobo doesn't exist any more. so there are no more bios updates for it...
[03:27] <directhex|work> hm, what should i file a bulletproof-x bug against? suggestions?
[03:29] <DaveMorris> directhex|work: in mythbuntu?
[03:30] <directhex|work> generally
[03:32] <DeGon|willbeback> hmm just installed mythbuntu for the first time. install process worked fine. But:
[03:32] <DeGon|willbeback> can't find any tv chanels
[03:33] <DeGon|willbeback> dvd playing doesn't work properly
[03:33] <DeGon|willbeback> wheater works ;)
[03:33] <DeGon|willbeback> www browisng works too
[03:33] <DeGon|willbeback> importing a dvd works also
[03:34] <DeGon|willbeback> thing i have to change over to desktop mode to properly install the tv card
[03:40] <Caysho> Hi
[03:41] <Caysho> I have a question about the mythbuntu desktop - is it going to make use of xfce ?
[03:42] <DeGon|willbeback> u can chooose
[03:42] <bendailey> Caysho: I believe that change to xfce is underway
[03:43] <DeGon|willbeback> gnome, kde or xfce
[03:43] <Caysho> ok.
[03:43] <Caysho> I'm currently using KnoppMyth
[03:43] <DeGon|willbeback> on the newest release u can choose
[03:44] <DeGon|willbeback> but with the standart installation you will just have mythtv. but in mythtv<
[03:44] <DeGon|willbeback> theres a possibility to add a desktop
[03:44] <Caysho> by newest, you mean the alpha ?
[03:44] <DeGon|willbeback> yes, the one on the mythbuntu website
[03:44] <Caysho> right, thanks :)
[03:45] <DeGon|willbeback> Mythbuntu 7.10 x86 just installed it minutes ago
[03:46] <DaveMorris> Caysho: I'm working on moving mythbuntu over to xfce this week
[03:47] <DeGon|willbeback> ah didn't know how far this is. the option to choose is already there. i chose kubunto bekoz i am more familiar with it
[03:48] <bendailey> Daviey, have a moment?
[03:49] <laga> DeGon|willbeback: how do you like it so far? ;)
[03:50] <DeGon|willbeback> i like that the standart installation doesnt't include all the desktop stuff. if my tv card would run properly i would not even have to add a desktop now. but as the tv card causes probs i have to.... nice mythbuntu config addition in the mythtv config section... like it, but hate my tv tuner
[03:50] <Caysho> I'll wait for the official release then :)
[03:51] <DeGon|willbeback> why caysho?
[03:51] <Caysho> DeGon: what's your tuner ?
[03:51] <DeGon|willbeback> its a hauppauge pvr 150, should easyly be detected but caused already probs on mythdora
[03:52] <DeGon|willbeback> (but didn't in suse
[03:53] <Caysho> I've still got shows recorded, and so I'll need a quiet couple of hours to ensure complete set up.
[03:53] <DeGon|willbeback> ah ok
[03:53] <DeGon|willbeback> maybe i'll try another tv tuner, have pinnacle around
[03:54] <DeGon|willbeback> but mythbuntu seems very nice, easier to manage than mythdora and knoppmyth
[03:54] <DeGon|willbeback> if your hardware stuff doens't cause probs
[03:54] <Caysho> mine's been nice and stable.
[03:55] <DeGon|willbeback> the it will also with mythbuntu i suppose
[03:55] <DeGon|willbeback> what tv tuner do u use and wchich remote?
[03:56] <Caysho> I have two of these http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php/product/3951  but I don't use the remote right now.
[03:57] <DeGon> so you're navigating with the keyboard?
[03:57] <directhex|work> my remote's cooler than your remote!
[03:57] <Caysho> I have a wireless keyboard
[03:57] <directhex|work> and my dad could beat up your dad, for good measure!
[03:58] <DeGon> so whats your remote directhex|work>?
[03:59] <directhex|work> http://files.playstatic.com/playstation-3-hardware/bd-remote-2-playstation-3.jpg
[03:59] <DeGon> and u run mythtv on what? on a PS?
[04:00] <directhex|work> at the moment? a pentium-d machine full of hard disks
[04:00] <DeGon> and the PS remote works with linux? interesting....
[04:01] <Caysho> How well does mythbuntu handle detection/setup of multiple tuners that are the same make/model ?
[04:02] <DeGon> <-- has no idea
[04:02] <DeGon> will be back. have to make another try getting my tv card running
[04:02] <directhex|work> Caysho, trivially
[04:02] <directhex|work> Caysho, each one gets an entry in /dev, so each one is different
[04:03] <Daviey> bendailey: you called?
[04:03] <Daviey> just need to make a phone call
[04:03] <Daviey> brb
[04:04] <Caysho> ok, be interesting to see what it does.
[04:05] <Caysho> thanks for the answers, time for me to go.
[04:05] <bendailey> Daviey, I am setting up a 2TB GoDaddy Mirror Right now, Can you do weighting in your php download script?
[04:08] <bendailey> Daviey, be back
[04:11] <DeGon> hmm can't switch over to a desktop. it always begins to download some hunder packages but stops due to missing ones. tried ubuntu, kubuntu and xubuntu... seems that the sources/channels are ot up-to-date
[04:12] <DeGon> will give another try just through the backend and control center
[04:33] <Daviey> bendailey: sorry.. was on the phone
[04:33] <Daviey> Yes.. can do weighting
[04:34] <bendailey> Daviey, great
[04:34] <Daviey> Do you want the GoDaddy heavy or lightly weighted ;)
[04:34] <bendailey> By the way I hate Cpanel or *Panel Shell rules :)
[04:35] <Daviey> heh
[04:35] <bendailey> s/*Panel/*Panel.\n/g
[04:36] <bendailey> I am having problems getting godaddy web hosting panel to add the multilevel us-az.cdimages as a recognized subdomain
[04:37] <Daviey> ah.. no problem
[04:37] <Daviey> You need to add the base domain first :S
[04:37] <Daviey> then add the subdomains
[04:37] <bendailey> yeah I added mythbuntu.org as the base domain....
[04:37] <Daviey> As the proper dns will only forward us-az, the other rules will be ignored
[04:37] <Daviey> quirky cpanel!
[04:37] <bendailey> but it seems to only support one level subdomains
[04:38] <Daviey> add mythbuntu.org, cdimages.mythbuntu.org & us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org
[04:38] <Daviey> Great eh?
[04:38] <Daviey> but obv. only set the DNS for us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org to forward there
[04:39] <bendailey> I added cdimages.mythbuntu.org as a subdomain it won't let me add it as a root domain
[04:39] <bendailey> I see no option for a subdomain of a subdomain
[04:40] <Daviey> hmm
[04:40] <Daviey> Maybe contact support then
[04:40] <bendailey> yeah that should be fun :(
[04:41] <Daviey> Dreamhost, i must say, were pretty good at helping
[04:41] <Daviey> I am ripping the bandwidth out of them..
[04:41] <Daviey> >150Gb in 6 days
[04:41] <bendailey> wow
[04:42] <Daviey> It was only $12 for the account aswell :D
[04:42] <bendailey> us-az.cdimages.mythbuntu.org is a "two level subdomain" do I have the correct terminology there?
[04:42] <Daviey> h
[04:42] <Daviey> mm
[04:43] <bendailey> wow how much bandwidth/month does that $12 provide
[04:43] <DaveMorris> Daviey: $12 thats sod all
[04:43] <Daviey> DaveMorris: for 1 year inc. domain
[04:43] <DaveMorris> link
[04:43] <bendailey> brb
[04:44] <Daviey> bendailey: wait
[04:44] <Daviey> I think what you want is a 5th level domain
[04:44] <superm1> DeGon, you need to update the package lists likely
[04:44] <Daviey> oh wait, 4th - there is no .uk at the end :)
[04:45] <superm1> DeGon, while gutsy is in development, package versions are constantly changing
[04:45] <DeGon> how do i update em in the mythbuntu control center??
[04:45] <superm1> DeGon, the version of the control centre that shipped doesn't have update manager support (it was added a few days ago), so you'll have to do it via a terminal or synaptic
[04:46] <DeGon> ok
[05:02] <DeGon> hehe no use to install a desktop finally made my tv tuner scan in mythtv. didn't specify source bekoz i have no epg grabber. now i just entered a name and selected "no grabber" and it scans.... also saw that antenna cable was not plugged *shame*shame*shame*
[05:03] <DeGon> <--- DAU who tests mythbuntu ;)
[05:06] <DeGon> hmm.. mythtv scans but doesn't find a channel
[05:09] <superm1> DaveMorris, laga you guys been encountering any really weird oddities in your builds?
[05:09] <superm1> i've been getting a lot of unionfs stuff going down
[05:09] <superm1> dmesg is littered with junk about it
[05:10] <superm1> and it looks like its happening to regular ubuntu dailies too
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[05:10] <[_Trimble_] > there's life in here!  lol
[05:10] <superm1> hi [_Trimble_] 
[05:10] <[_Trimble_] > hiya
[05:11] <[_Trimble_] > I'm also testing 7.10 :)
[05:11] <superm1> awesome.
[05:11] <[_Trimble_] > i tried two older ones and they wouldn't finish the install.  the newest one did finish, so i stuck with it :P
[05:11] <DeGon> mine also installed well (7.10)
[05:12] <superm1> yea the problem you were probably encountering was a big race condition between archive versions
[05:12] <DeGon> but as u can see i'am to dumb to configure my tv tuner
[05:12] <superm1> even if we dont sort it out locally in our builds, it will sort out once gutsy is released
[05:12] <superm1> DeGon, are you North America?
[05:12] <superm1> or elsewhere
[05:12] <DeGon> no western europe
[05:12] <[_Trimble_] > I sounds bad, but I have no idea what it means.  unfortunately, i'm kinda a linux n00b.  I'm trying to switch over from knoppmyth to mythbuntu.  knoppmyth doesn't seem to like my hardware
[05:13] <[_Trimble_] > <-- north america
[05:13] <DeGon> i have no epg grabber and mythtv doesn't like to scan nicely
[05:13] <superm1> [_Trimble_] , ah okay.  well basically, the big points of the next alpha will be that we have the on cd repository fixed, the proprietary drivers stuff fixed and the switchover to xubuntu based by default
[05:14] <superm1> DeGon, that's unfortunate :(.  Perhaps you may end up having to try your scans outside of myth
[05:14] <superm1> and comparing
[05:14] <[_Trimble_] > so far in 7.10, i've managed to get my wireless card working (ndiswrapper), my NAS's video directory mounted and I successfully watched a movie through it.  video was choppy though.. suspect codec problem
[05:14] <DeGon|afk> have amanual list here will check tahat
[05:14] <[_Trimble_] > I haven't configured the TV tuner yet since Ihave to figure out how to connect it to a dish network tuner :(
[05:15] <superm1> [_Trimble_] , you'll likely need an irblaster
[05:15] <[_Trimble_] > i have a happauge 150 with ir and blaster included ;)
[05:15] <[_Trimble_] > but I never had to config the blaster under knoppmyth
[05:16] <[_Trimble_] > (i've recently moved in with the in-laws, and they have dish.)
[05:16] <superm1> that is something that still hasn't been automated into our installer yet - i'm not sure it will make it in this release or not, we'll see :)
[05:17] <superm1> but its entirely doable nonetheless
[05:19] <DeGon|afk> hrhr trimble i have the same hauppauge ovr 150
[05:19] <DeGon|afk> pvr 150
[05:19] <[_Trimble_] > it's an advanced setup thing if you ask me ;)  I wouldn't worry about it in the installer, i'd make it an extra tool in the console thing
[05:20] <superm1> imo, its not the right solution to do something in the console if your trying to make it easy to use for people
[05:20] <[_Trimble_] > eh, ok
[05:20] <[_Trimble_] > ;)
[05:20] <superm1> there are enough people wanting ir blasters
[05:21] <superm1> so it will eventually be in the installer
[05:21] <superm1> just cant say when :)
[05:21] <tgm4883> It's not that advanced, IR blasters are something that many many people will probably need
[05:21] <tgm4883> in the US anyway, unless someone comes out with a way to bypass the box in a few years
[05:21] <DeGon|afk> see you guy have to get my car from the car-doctor... will burn me a hole in my purse :(
[05:22] <DeGon|afk> byebye
[05:22] <tgm4883> bye
[05:22] <tgm4883> and then DeGon was gone
[05:23] <[_Trimble_] > i do have  question... i notice in my XP machines that my mythbuntu box is appearing in network neighborhood with links to music, pictures, recordings, and videos.  but I can't connect to those shares.  I tried doing a map network drive and log in with other credentials using my mythbuntu user's login name and pw, but that didn't work either.. :(
[05:23] <[_Trimble_] > so, what's the trick to connecting to those?
[05:23] <superm1> it shouldnt be asking for any credentials
[05:23] <superm1> its setup as share level control
[05:24] <tgm4883> unless
[05:24] <tgm4883> could it be detecting it as a media playing device?
[05:24] <[_Trimble_] > i'm not above admitting that my xp networking setup might be wonky
[05:24] <[_Trimble_] > uPnP?
[05:24] <tgm4883> it's been a while since I had a windows device setup
[05:24] <tgm4883> yea
[05:25] <[_Trimble_] > my kids play games.. i can't give up windose yet lol
[05:25] <tgm4883> AFAIK, i think that was a feature of mythtv, but i don't think it worked well
[05:25] <superm1> well these are samba shares
[05:25] <superm1> that you are seeing
[05:25] <tgm4883> bah, windows games are going to rot your kids brains
[05:26] <[_Trimble_] > yes, clearly samba shares.   "music on Mythbuntu server (Samba, Mythbuntu) (Mythbuntu)
[05:26] <[_Trimble_] > "
[05:26] <superm1> tgm4883, have you tried "MythTV player" on windows as of yet?
[05:26] <directhex|work> i have
[05:26] <tgm4883> nope
[05:26] <tgm4883> I suppose that would require me to use windows
[05:26] <laga> re
[05:26] <superm1> someone on the forums recommended it, so i passed it on to my windows roomate
[05:26] <tgm4883> unless it runs in wine
[05:26] <superm1> and it actually works very well
[05:26] <superm1> i was throughly surprised
[05:26] <directhex|work> the ui is awful, but it's functional
[05:26] <superm1> the big thing is that it does the comm skipping
[05:26] <superm1> which none of the others did
[05:27] <tgm4883> sweet
[05:27] <superm1> mornin laga
[05:29] <laga> morning superm1
[05:30] <laga> is there a dapper backport of 0.20.2?
[05:30] <superm1> directhex|work, did one
[05:30] <tgm4883> I remember seeing that someone did do that
[05:30] <superm1> but its not in dapper-backports
[05:30] <superm1> its on his own repo
[05:31] <tgm4883> has .20.2 cleared feisty proposed yet?
[05:31] <laga> directhex|work: thanks.
[05:31] <Trimble> hi guest
[05:31] <laga> err, superm1: thanks i meant
[05:31] <laga> but both applies
[05:32] <superm1> need one more person to give a +1 on the bug report i'd say
[05:32] <superm1> and then i can request it to leave proposed as of tomorrow
[05:32] <tgm4883> +1
[05:32] <tgm4883> :)
[05:32] <tgm4883> oh, you mean someone whose opinion matters :)
[05:32] <Trimble> doh
[05:32] <superm1> no you too tgm4883 :)
[05:32] <superm1> hehe
[05:33] <tgm4883> im going to have to enable feisty proposed I think
[05:33] <tgm4883> 5 days of data left
[05:34] <Trimble> heh i suppose i should give SD a payment :P
[05:35] <directhex|work> http://directhex.mfgames.com/
[05:35] <laga> superm1: i'll now try to merge your latest changes to the mythtv-fixes branch to the trunk branch using bzr merge
[05:35] <superm1> hopefully all works with that
[05:36] <superm1> trunk is a child of -fixes right?
[05:36] <superm1> as in it bzr branched from it?
[05:36] <superm1> i almost think meld would be easier
[05:36] <superm1> but i dont know
[05:36] <laga> no
[05:36] <laga> i just made a regular checkout back then :/
[05:36] <laga> bzr: ERROR: Branches have no common ancestor, and no merge base revision was specified.
[05:36] <laga> ok, sigh.
[05:37] <laga> i'm not really keen on merging, but i can't build a live cd with the trunk packages so i was gonna look at the differences.
[05:37] <superm1> well you probably are encountering this bug
[05:38] <laga> i'd get into trouble because ubuntu-mythtv-frontend pre-depends on gdm, which was not configured, which is why mythbuntu-live can't be installed. drama++; :)
[05:38] <superm1> bug 138915
[05:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138915 in linux-source-2.6.22 "unionfs NULL pointer dereference in 2.6.22-11.32" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138915
[05:38] <laga> i doubt that. happens way before the filesystem is made
[05:38] <superm1> said before i read your response
[05:38] <superm1> why isn't gdm getting configured?
[05:39] <laga> i have no clue. i'll kick off another build now and check the logs more carefully now
[05:39] <laga> had to run earlier
[05:40] <superm1> speaking of running
[05:40] <superm1> i need to do that
[05:40] <superm1> catch ya later :)
[05:40] <laga> heh
[05:41] <superm1> laga, before i go though, i may have resolved the cd repository problems
[05:41] <superm1> apt-cdrom appears to hate it if you dont add a Release.gpg
[05:42] <superm1> since it prefers authenticated packages
[05:42] <superm1> as soon as that unionfs bug is fixed, can figure out if that fixed it, which would mean just need to get your translation bug and DaveMorris's switch to xfce going and we're cake
[05:42] <laga> cool
[05:42] <laga> then we can polish and add translations
[05:43] <laga> and maybe i get to add some more tv-out goodness to ubiquity
[05:43] <laga> if i ever get it running...
[05:43] <laga> i like cake, btw
[05:43] <superm1> i was thinking of adding something to the control centre
[05:43] <superm1> to activate weekly builds
[05:43] <superm1> but i'm not sure its an intelligent idea
[05:44] <superm1> that makes it way too easy to break a box if someone just has to "check here to switch to trunk"
[05:44] <spiderworm1> hey all, is there a quick way to get all the dependencies to install myth from source?
[05:45] <Trimble> maybe a manual button the owner clicks once a week?
[05:46] <laga> superm1: now run :)
[05:46] <laga> spiderworm1: enable source repos and run apt-get build-dep mythtv
[05:46] <spiderworm1> yah, thats right.. thanks :)
[05:47] <tgm4883> superm1, it should be a check box, followed by a root password requirement, your SSN, birthdate, mothers maiden name, bank account number, Full name, your favorite movie, your first school, the town you grew up in and your pets name
[05:48] <tgm4883> then it will install trunk
[06:00] <Trimble> ok, so does anyone have any ideas about my error connecting to this samba share that mythbuntu has setup on my network?  when I click the share in my xp network neighborhood, i get "\\MYTHBUNTU\videos is not accessible.  You might not have permission to use this network resource.  Contact the administrator of this server to find out if you have access permissions.  The group name could not be found."  ... well, i'm the administr
[06:01] <Trimble> what's the group name thing about?
[06:01] <tgm4883> try disabling the firewall and trying again
[06:02] <Trimble> ah, does mythbuntu start up a firewall on it's own?  I can ssh into the box, how can I add my local machines 192.168.0.2 to access it?
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> sorry
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> the windows firewall
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> i always hated that thing
[06:02] <Trimble> oh, the xp firewall is down
[06:02] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[06:03] <tgm4883_laptop> how is the setup of samba for mythbuntu?
[06:03] <tgm4883_laptop> i haven't used it
[06:03] <laga> neither do i
[06:03] <Trimble> i dunno, I didn't set it up.  it's running default settings from mythbuntu 7.10
[06:03] <tgm4883_laptop> I used a completely different program to configure samba on my system, as IMO samba sucks to configure
[06:06] <Trimble> one of my goals is to avoid installing anything extra on the myth box than it needs to run in appliance mode.  so whatever is the most light-weight way to configure the samba shares is what I need to learn
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> hmm
[06:06] <tgm4883_laptop> well you can configure the smb.conf file directly
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> using nano
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> thats pretty lightweight
[06:07] <Trimble> indeed ;)
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> although i prefer swat
[06:07] <Trimble> where is that file kept?
[06:07] <tgm4883_laptop> bet google knows ;)
[06:07] <Trimble> i bet your right :)
[06:14] <Trimble> so, i should be able to connect to swat from my xp machine to configure samba.. neat
[06:15] <Trimble> cna i just sudo apt-get install swat?
[06:15] <tgm4883> you can try
[06:16] <tgm4883> yep its in the repos
[06:18] <Trimble> hmm.. that seemed to install swat, but not sure it's got everything it needs.. does it need a web server?  does mythbuntu install one?
[06:18] <tgm4883> it has everything it needs, if you installed the backend with mythbuntu apache is installed
[06:18] <tgm4883> or apache2
[06:19] <Trimble> ok :)
[06:20] <Trimble> lol it's so much nicer to have the @#%& wireless card in my mythbox working... had it running for a year off the wire. (had to connect it with a long cord every week to run mythfilldatabase  ugh)
[06:23] <Trimble> boom - Swat works.
[06:23] <Trimble> just had to sudo apt-get install swat then reboot the box it seems
[06:23] <Trimble> this is definately a tool i would consider useful as an appliance hehehe
[06:26] <Trimble> hmm... looks like samba is configured for user mythtv.  we're not using mythtv user in 7.10 anymore though, are we?
[06:26] <Trimble> [videos] 
[06:26] <Trimble> 	comment = Videos
[06:26] <Trimble> 	path = /var/lib/mythtv/videos
[06:26] <Trimble> 	force user = mythtv
[06:26] <Trimble> 	force group = mythtv
[06:26] <Trimble> 	read only = No
[06:26] <Trimble> 	create mask = 0660
[06:26] <Trimble> 	directory mask = 0770
[06:26] <Trimble> 	guest ok = Yes
[06:30] <laga> interesting.
[06:30] <Trimble> i still can't connect to a share :(
[06:30] <laga> guest ok = Yes
[06:30] <laga> ^^ hum.
[06:31] <Trimble> yeah, i noticed that also.
[06:31] <laga> i don't know anything about samba, though :/
[06:31] <tgm4883> i never used guest
[06:31] <Trimble> all 4 shares have that
[06:31] <tgm4883> i don't think i ever got it to work
[06:31] <Trimble> but is there a trick to connecting as guest?
[06:31] <tgm4883> I'd put your main user in there and see what happens
[06:32] <Trimble> edit the conf and put my ubuntu user name there?
[06:32] <tgm4883> well you should be able to do that in swat
[06:32] <tgm4883> also
[06:33] <tgm4883> you need to make sure you use the right password for it and make sure the user is enabled
[06:37] <Trimble> this swat page i'm looking at doesn't seem to have anyway to edit any settings.. it just shows status and documentation
[06:37] <tgm4883> ok, where do you access swat, i just reinstalled it to check
[06:38] <Trimble> well, i just did \\192.168.0.7:901
[06:41] <Trimble> maybe i didn't log into swat with the right user.. but my one user is all there is
[06:42] <Trimble> could samba be configured expecting to interact with a user that no longer exists?
[06:43] <tgm4883> sec
[06:43] <tgm4883> swat will probably want the root user
[06:44] <Trimble> do i have a root user other than my usual ubuntu user?
[06:44] <tgm4883> no
[06:44] <Trimble> didnt think so
[06:44] <tgm4883> the first user is the root user
[06:44] <Trimble> right, that's what i logged in as
[06:49] <tgm4883> look in the conf file and see what security =
[06:50] <Trimble> security = SHARE
[06:50] <Trimble> paranoid server security = Yes
[06:50] <tgm4883> hmm
[06:50] <tgm4883> whats that?
[06:50] <Trimble> no idea, but it looks neat  lol.. lemme check docs
[06:50] <tgm4883> it's not in mine
[06:51] <Trimble> paranoid server security (G)
[06:51] <Trimble> Some version of NT 4.x allow non-guest users with a bad passowrd. When this option is enabled, samba will not use a broken NT 4.x server as password server, but instead complain to the logs and exit.
[06:51] <Trimble> Disabling this option prevents Samba from making this check, which involves deliberatly attempting a bad logon to the remote server.
[06:51] <Trimble> Default: paranoid server security = yes
[06:51] <tgm4883> ah
[06:52] <tgm4883> hmm this is tough
[06:52] <tgm4883> i haven't configured samba in a long time
[06:53] <Trimble> what's smbpasswd ... maybe it's involved
[06:54] <tgm4883> well i think that sets your samba password for whatever user you are running it as
[06:54] <spiderworm1> what does the mytharchive plugin do?
[06:54] <Trimble> running samba?  or logging into samba?
[06:54] <tgm4883> sorry
[06:55] <tgm4883> when you run samba password as user bob, you are setting bob's samba password
[06:55] <Trimble> i think mytharchive is there to help you save copies of tv shows you've recorded to offline storage or somewhere else so it doesn't get deleted
[06:55] <spiderworm1> ok, thanks
[06:56] <spiderworm1> im trying to build mythplugins from svn trunk and im getting an error with that one
[06:56] <tgm4883> Trimble http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37127/
[06:56] <spiderworm1> wondering if i should go without it
[06:56] <laga> spiderworm1: why dont you use our new trunk builds?
[06:56] <tgm4883> see that you can enable, add and set passwords for users
[06:57] <spiderworm1> laga, ? well i dont know anything about new trunk builds... brb
[06:57] <tgm4883> although im not exactly sure what security = share does as mine is set to security = user which requires a unix user
[06:57] <laga> spiderworm1: http://www.mythbuntu.org/node/45
[06:57] <spiderworm1> i do know that the schedulesdirect options werent in the last packages i tried
[06:57] <laga> spiderworm1: you tried the wrong packages then.
[06:58] <laga> spiderworm1: http://tinyurl.com/39hgnz
[06:58] <laga> spiderworm1: no need to build trunk for SD support
[07:00] <spiderworm1> ok i'll give it a whirl
[07:03] <spiderworm1> laga, where are the packages on the mythbuntu site?
[07:03] <laga> spiderworm1: http://mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[07:05] <Trimble> @#$%@ i can't find the location of the smb.conf file
[07:24] <tgm4883> /etc/samba/smb.conf
[07:27] <Trimble> thx
[07:37] <sebrock> when I'm simulating a apt-get upgrade all I see is libmyth-0.20, is this the only updated myth package?
[07:37] <sebrock> (0.20.2)
[07:37] <laga> unlikely
[07:38] <sebrock> that all I get
[07:38] <sebrock> libmyth-0.20 (0.20.2-0ubuntu0.7.04.1 Ubuntu:7.04/feisty-proposed)
[07:38] <laga> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3265344#post3265344
[07:38] <laga> ^^ have you seen this?
[07:39] <sebrock> strange
[07:40] <laga> ?
[07:44] <Trimble> i give up for now.. i'll look at this later.  apt-get excedrin
[07:45] <laga> heh
[07:45] <laga> my development VM is broken for some reason
[07:46] <laga> which is really, really, annoying.
[07:48] <sebrock> laga, check this out: http://www.pastebin.ca/692284
[07:48] <sebrock> thats my sources. And then 'apt-get update' && apt-get -s upgrade
[07:49] <sebrock> gives me only libmyth
[07:49] <laga> whjat does dpkg -l \*myth\*
[07:49] <laga> say?
[07:52] <sebrock> http://www.pastebin.ca/692293
[07:52] <laga> interesting
[07:52] <laga> sebrock: btw, does aptitude do the same?
[07:55] <sebrock> what do you mean?
[07:55] <sebrock> does the same?
[07:55] <laga> if you use aptitude isntead of apt-get
[07:56] <laga> does your problem persist then?
[07:56] <sebrock> thats the same stuff is it not?
[07:57] <tgm4883> thats interesting
[07:57] <sebrock> same thing
[07:57] <tgm4883> i just added proposed in synaptic and .20.2 shows as the latest version of mythtv
[07:57] <laga> sebrock: just install the packages manually then
[07:58] <sebrock> wait maybe I'll have to remove the standard sources
[07:58] <sebrock> I see now that this libmyth is listed in multiverse
[07:58] <sebrock> no its not
[07:58] <tgm4883> no you need the regular also
[07:58] <sebrock> sorry
[07:59] <sebrock> no wait, now I can see them
[07:59] <sebrock> ??? this is strange
[08:01] <sebrock> laga: The following packages have been kept back:
[08:01] <sebrock>   gnupg mythtv-backend mythtv-backend-master mythtv-common mythtv-database
[08:02] <sebrock> this is with apt-get
[08:02] <sebrock> now why would they be kept back?
[08:02] <tgm4883> something funky with your setup
[08:02] <laga> yeah
[08:02] <laga> breakage
[08:02] <sebrock> heh, fresh install of server edition
[08:02] <tgm4883> they would be kept back if they depended on a version of a package that hasn't been updated yet
[08:02] <tgm4883> perhaps thats your problem
[08:03] <tgm4883> server edition
[08:03] <sebrock> maybe so, so do a upgrade first and then another?
[08:03] <tgm4883> what does uname -a say?
[08:03] <laga> superm1: ping
[08:04] <sebrock> in aptitude, these packages are shown in red and marked "UNSATISFIED"
[08:04] <tgm4883> yes
[08:04] <tgm4883> does it say why?
[08:04] <sebrock> Linux server 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Thu Jun 7 19:00:28 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[08:06] <sebrock> any clues?
[08:07] <tgm4883> does it say why it is unsatisfied?
[08:07] <tgm4883> it should
[08:07] <sebrock> no
[08:07] <sebrock> w8
[08:07] <laga> superm1: just applied this patch to the mythplugins-trunk branch: http://www.pastebin.ca/692310
[08:08] <laga> superm1: someone couldn't purge because it tried rm that dir which wouldn't work because it's a directory ;) - isn't it just supposed to delete the content of that dir or do you think the patch is fine?
[08:13] <superm1_> tgm4883, you here?
[08:14] <laga> superm1: got time to review a small patch?
[08:14] <tgm4883> yea barely
[08:14] <tgm4883> whats up
[08:14] <superm1_> laga, sure
[08:14] <laga> 19:56 < laga> superm1: just applied this patch to the mythplugins-trunk branch: http://www.pastebin.ca/692310
[08:14] <laga> 19:57 < laga> superm1: someone couldn't purge because it tried rm that dir which wouldn't work because it's a directory ;) - isn't it just supposed to delete the content of that dir or do you think the patch is fine?
[08:14] <superm1_> tgm4883, i got ahold of majoridiot
[08:14] <laga> hope i'm making sense
[08:14] <tgm4883> about firewire?
[08:14] <superm1_> tgm4883, he's likely not going to be able to join too much this cycle.  lost his job
[08:14] <superm1_> and a few other things
[08:14] <tgm4883> :(
[08:14] <laga> :/
[08:15] <superm1_> tgm4883, so i was going to see if you wanted to take over doing the gutsy part of the wiki?
[08:15] <superm1_> i expect it shouldnt be too bad
[08:15] <superm1_> just sudo apt-get install mythbuntu-control-centre
[08:15] <tgm4883> Installs and such
[08:15] <superm1_> and your set :)
[08:15] <tgm4883> i can take care of that
[08:15] <superm1_> dont worry too much about the standalone installs that are without a desktop
[08:15] <superm1_> just link them to mythbuntu.org for that
[08:16] <superm1_> but for the desktop installs, just include a few screenshots linking to the control centre
[08:16] <superm1_> and explain what you can do with it and such
[08:16] <tgm4883> ok, i'll start with upgrading from gutsy to include mythbuntu
[08:16] <tgm4883> then converting a desktop into a standalone
[08:16] <laga> superm1_: btw, i can boot the mythbuntu disk with the "broken" kernel (wrt unionfs), but apt-get update. i'm filing a bug right now
[08:16] <tgm4883> and probably a couple different ones
[08:16] <superm1_> well not necessarily even a converting to standalone
[08:16] <tgm4883> no?
[08:16] <superm1_> maybe just "adding mythbuntu" roles
[08:16] <tgm4883> ah
[08:17] <superm1_> since its really stll a desktop afterward
[08:17] <tgm4883> true
[08:17] <superm1_> just automatically logs in and has all the mythbuntu magic
[08:17] <superm1_> laga, i tihnk there is already a bug files
[08:17] <superm1_> filed
[08:17] <laga> superm1_: yeah, but i'm not getting a kernel oops
[08:17] <laga> so it looks different
[08:17] <superm1_> you get something with a mmap msync
[08:17] <superm1_> mess
[08:17] <superm1_> ?
[08:18] <laga> could be a completely different issue
[08:18] <tgm4883> alright, i'm off to grab some lunch and a few appointments
[08:18] <laga> yeah
[08:18] <superm1_> tgm4883, okay cool
[08:18] <superm1_> thanks
[08:18] <laga> superm1_: that's the one
[08:18] <superm1_> laga, yea its the same thing i think
[08:18] <superm1_> checkout dmesg
[08:18] <superm1_> you'll see all the unionfs errors showing up there after the apt-get update
[08:18] <superm1_> regarding your patch, is this data directory something new to trunk?
[08:19] <laga> "error creating directory tree for rename"
[08:19] <laga> superm1_: i dont think so
[08:19] <superm1_> well i dont see why that patch would be any trouble
[08:19] <laga> good
[08:20] <laga> might wanna use it as well then
[08:20] <superm1_> well as long as that is happening during purge only
[08:20] <superm1_> not during a normal remove
[08:32] <laga> zsnes time for me
[08:33] <laga> before i have a nervous, live-cd induced breakdown
[08:33] <superm1_> indeed
[08:33] <superm1_> i hope that is fixed in the near future
[08:33] <laga> there'll be a time
[08:34] <laga> where i run mythbuntu_install.sh
[08:34] <laga> and it'll just work
[08:34] <laga> but for now, that's just a dream
[08:34] <superm1_> well it usually does
[08:34] <superm1_> actually the change i added
[08:34] <superm1_> you'll need to get a copy of the private gpg key if your going to sign properly with it
[08:34] <superm1_> or sign it with your own gpg key instead
[08:35] <laga> i'm signing with my own key
[08:35] <superm1_> okay so you'll have to modify the $APTKEY
[08:35] <superm1_> that is added during the build
[08:35] <superm1_> and make sure it is using yours instead
[08:35] <laga> i did that
[08:36] <superm1_> okay good
[08:36] <laga> right, i'll kick off a rebuild with the trunk repository enabled and gather some logs
[08:36] <superm1_> should just be a matter of changing the PPA that it uses
[08:36] <superm1_> (in theory)
[08:37] <superm1_> depending on how long ago this unionfs bug was introduced, you might be able to make it use an older kernel
[08:38] <laga> just want a succesful iso build right now
[08:39] <laga> i added a second supplemental_mirror setting and added the necessary lines to the sources.list it creates
[08:39] <laga> ok, zsnes it is!
[08:39] <superm1_> ok
[08:39] <superm1_> cya
[08:43] <rhpot1991> formatc: will apache follow symlinks for images?
[08:44] <rhpot1991> woops, wrong room, sorry guys
[08:52] <Daviey> laga: you use znes?
[09:04] <laga> yes
[09:23] <spiderworm2> hey all, is there a noticable improvement using 64 bit ubuntu and myth?
[09:25] <directhex> depends for what
[09:26] <directhex> for a frontend? no. backend? no, not that either. for anything that involves cpu-intensive transcoding (e.g. archiving to or from dvd), commercial scanning, yeah those will benefit
[09:26] <spiderworm2> ok... well, im not too worried about transcoding and commercial scanning
[09:26] <spiderworm2> thanks
[10:10] <directhex> were 0.20.2 packages meant to be on the -backports repos yet? i can't see anything on my feisty machine
[10:11] <tgm4883> afaik, they haven't cleared proposed yet
[10:14] <Alowishus> Mario just changed the MOTU status on the -proposed bug... so I'm guessing it means they were finally accepted... perhpas just a matter of waiting for them to hit mirrors
[10:14] <Alowishus> and by just I mean I got the email like 30 minutes ago
[10:15] <Alowishus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/134726
[10:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 134726 in mythtv "MythTV 0.20.2 SRU " [High,Fix committed] 
[10:16] <Alowishus> Does anyone do any sort of monitoring on their systems for mythbackend crashes?
[10:16] <Alowishus> I've had a couple and didn't necessariyl notice them until the next day... would be nice to set up mon or something to catch the crash and restart the backend
[10:59] <MythbuntuGuest70> evening, I know mythbuntu is in alpha stage right now but is it useable?
[11:15] <Daviey> MythbuntuGuest70: yes
[11:16] <Daviey> It's as stable as Ubuntu Gutsy, which is still not out - but it is getting near it's release time
[11:18] <superm1> Alowishus, tomorrow i'm going to subscribe ubuntu-archive, and then they just need to accept them and they should hit the mirrors
[11:18] <superm1> (tomorrow is the 7 day mark)
[11:18] <Alowishus> ahh ok
[11:19] <superm1> with any luck they should accept and clear quickly
[11:20] <superm1> but cant guarantee as its in their hands at that point
[11:22] <directhex> i've found about a three weeks before release to be a reasonable time to update an ubuntu system - that said, i confess, i'm not impressed with the QA that goes into cleanly upgrading. quite frequently, config files aren't overwritten with modern versions which breaks something (my laptop was really quite bad, but fine with a gutsy tribe5 install)
[11:31] <laga> re
[11:32] <Daviey> superm1: Not many people have hit the repo's
[11:32] <Daviey> or at least mine
[11:33] <laga> kung fu hustle is a great movie.
[11:38] <directhex> so is the powerpuff girls movie
[11:44] <MythbuntuGuest65> Has anyone here used mythwelcome?
[11:45] <MythbuntuGuest65> I was wanting to try mythwelcome on my mythbuntu box, but I can't find which script is doing the auto-login for the mythtv user
[11:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest65: wait a second
[11:47] <laga> MythbuntuGuest65: see /etc/mythtv/session-settings
[11:48] <MythbuntuGuest70> I've been asked to install a distributed media system for a friends house, there are ten rooms each with a HDTV, the plan is to use two ubuntu servers as file servers and then a small mini-itx box in each room with mythbuntu on, any suggestions on this setup?
[11:48] <MythbuntuGuest65> Thank you
[11:49] <MythbuntuGuest70> oh and is there a way to donat to the mythbuntu project, I'm gonna be getting paid for this so tis only fair to share
[11:50] <laga> MythbuntuGuest65: donations? we dont have a setup for donations yet, but it sounds like a neat idea
[11:51] <laga> ten rooms with a hdtv set? nice.
[11:52] <MythbuntuGuest70> I've looked at several media centre setups and mythbuntu seems to fit the bill from what I've read
[11:52] <MythbuntuGuest70> got it downloading tonight so going to have a bash tomorrow
[11:52] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: i dont have any mini-itx hardware suggestions off-hand, but the mythtv mailing list should have some suggestions. there are some mini-itx boards with lots of power
[11:53] <laga> yeah, you should take a look first. i'd probably wait for the final release, ubuntu gutsy is still in a satate of flux
[11:53] <MythbuntuGuest70> I've been looking at a jetway board with nvidia 7xxx graphics and onboard dolby, oh and and hdmi output, for 59!!!!
[11:54] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: is that mini-itx?
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest70> yup
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest65> Is there linux support for dolby-live?
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest70> doh, hang on, thats micro-atx
[11:54] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70: do you have a model number so i can order some and cuddle with it at night?
[11:54] <laga> uh
[11:54] <MythbuntuGuest70> lololol
[11:54] <laga> what is dolby live? :)
[11:54] <laga> ah, microatx. still cool.
[11:54] <laga> superm1: ping
[11:55] <MythbuntuGuest65> Onboard dolby...  Encodes multichannel surround into dolby digital on the fly
[11:55] <superm1> pong
[11:55] <laga> MythbuntuGuest65: that sounds like a really cool feature. i'm not sure if this is available in linux... maybe some apps can do it.. you should talk to the ALSA guys
[11:55] <laga> superm1: are we taking donations? MythbuntuGuest65 would like to donate if he ends up using mythbuntu
[11:56] <superm1> i'm still on the border about doing that.
[11:56] <superm1> part of me wants to say yes
[11:56] <superm1> part of me no
[11:56] <superm1> perhaps only if it pays for hosting and things like that
[11:56] <laga> reasons? (or discuss it on the ML?)
[11:56] <superm1> that people have had to incur costs
[11:56] <MythbuntuGuest70> this was one board I looked at, the main requirement is hdmi....http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153064R
[11:56] <MythbuntuGuest65> MythbuntuGuest70 not 65...
[11:56] <MythbuntuGuest65> :-)
[11:57] <MythbuntuGuest65> http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/dolby_live.html
[11:57] <laga> superm1: right, but maybe some people (not me, at least not right now) could use additional hardware - maybe new hardware so they can add support for that
[11:57] <MythbuntuGuest70> hehe
[11:57] <laga> sorry, MythbuntuGuest70 it is :)
[11:57] <superm1> that's a good point too
[11:57] <directhex> sod mini-itx, use a mac mini?
[11:57] <laga> MythbuntuGuest70, MythbuntuGuest65: you can change your nick name using /nick mynewnick
[11:57] <superm1> well hows this sound
[11:57] <superm1> we'll put off setting up a donation system until release
[11:57] <MythbuntuGuest70> yeah somebody else suggested a mac
[11:57] <superm1> and at release time we'll discuss it in more detail about where the money would go and such
[11:58] <superm1> i would want to make sure that it wasn't abused in any way
[11:58] <superm1> and that it didn't change the project's dynamic
[11:58] <laga> superm1: sounds good. i like procrastination.
[11:58] <MythbuntuGuest70> seriously, if you set a donation system up I'll chip in + I work for a comms-company and we are looking at going in to home distributed media systems
[11:58] <laga> commie companies? omg
[11:59] <superm1> MythbuntuGuest70, awesome.  we'll have something within the next 1-2 months decided :)
[11:59] <MythbuntuGuest70> i know open source is all about sharing but...at the end of the day somebody has to code...test it all
[12:00] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, so donate to mythtv a little?
[12:00] <laga> mythtv project doesn't accept donations. maybe individual developers will.
[12:00] <MythbuntuGuest70> I've only stumbled accross mythv/mythbuntu today on the #ubuntu irc channel, downloading as we speak to have a look
[12:01] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, mythtv is a very client-server design, it's specifically deaigned to allow one server full of tv cards with a number of machines connecting to it
[12:01] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, and multiple, intercommunicating servers with machines connected to them
[12:02] <MythbuntuGuest70> oooohhh no that sounds like the ideal solution, so i could have a server (or two) with DVB cards and feed out the tv programs to several clients?
[12:02] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, precisely
[12:02] <MythbuntuGuest70> ;)
[12:02] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, it gets better... you know how you can run linux on a playstation 3? ;)
[12:03] <MythbuntuGuest70> ummmm, I didnt but now I do :)
[12:03] <directhex> there's no mythbuntu build for PPC, but never mind. it's still a mouth-watering idea for a project like this: a disk-laden server or two, and playstation 3s as frontends - they also doubel up as hdtv gaming machines. that's my vision right now anyway ;)
[12:04] <superm1> well i toyed with PPC builds
[12:04] <superm1> but there weren't many people with demand
[12:04] <superm1> so i didn't go very far with it
[12:04] <superm1> the seeds are ready for it, and most the packages
[12:04] <superm1> just not the build process
[12:04] <MythbuntuGuest70> what about linux on xbox?
[12:05] <MythbuntuGuest70> isnt there a gentoo for xbox floating about?
[12:05] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, xbox 1? not enough ram to be useful. and it's a very noisy box
[12:05] <MythbuntuGuest70> k
[12:07] <MythbuntuGuest70> right, am offski, got a stores database to get stuck in too, I'll keep popping back and let you know how I get on with the micro-atx's
[12:07] <directhex> superm1, since mythtv commits started happening with ps3 offloading via libspe2, i've become very interested in it as a prospective frontend
[12:07] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, i'd still think about macs or playstations!
[12:07] <superm1> directhex, in trunk?
[12:08] <directhex> at least think, if not do. problem with mATX is it's all so terribly ugly, unless you buy very big expensive cases, at which point you'd be better off with a mac, it'd be cheaper & prettier
[12:08] <directhex> superm1, yeah
[12:08] <superm1> ah that'd be why i didn't hear of them :)
[12:08] <MythbuntuGuest70> yeah it sounds promising, we have a contact at sony, we've been told 270 for ps3's
[12:08] <MythbuntuGuest70> may as well kill two birds with one stone
[12:09] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, the boxes would also be usable as gaming machines and blu-ray players, seems a pretty interesting prospect to me for a home entertainment scenario
[12:09] <laga> heh
[12:09] <laga> make it work first, though :P
[12:09] <directhex> ssssh!
[12:10] <directhex> laga, what's the point in a project if it's not interesting? :p
[12:10] <laga> hehe
[12:10] <MythbuntuGuest70> lololol
[12:10] <superm1> i'd really like to see laga's trunk packages on a disk, its a shame unionfs is so broke right now
[12:10] <MythbuntuGuest70> ok, so i'm the guinea pig now (spelling??)
[12:11] <MythbuntuGuest70> right, am off anyway, night peeps
[12:11] <superm1> night
[12:11] <directhex> MythbuntuGuest70, guinea pigs get tasty treats and carrots!
[12:11] <MythbuntuGuest70> yeah, and stuffed up peoples bums ;)
[12:11] <MythbuntuGuest70> lol
[12:11] <MythbuntuGuest70> cya
[12:12] <directhex> that's gerbils!
[12:12] <MythbuntuGuest70> you know ;)
[12:12] <directhex> i'm watching south park!
[12:12] <laga> o_O
[12:12] <directhex> actually, lemmiwinks was a hamster
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest70> whatever ;)
[12:13] <MythbuntuGuest70> cy'all
[12:13] <laga> i thought it was a rat?
[12:13] <laga> directhex: i watched that episode when i was in bed with fever
[12:13] <laga> dude, weird dreams.
[12:13] <directhex> http://www.southparkzone.com/episode-vid-614.htm
[12:17] <laga> i wont watch it
[12:17] <laga> music made me sick last time ;)
[12:20] <keescook> superm1: just double-checking, mythbuntu doesn't ship with decss, right?
[12:20] <superm1> keescook, not right now
[12:20] <superm1> why?
[12:20] <keescook> okay, that'll likely need to stay that way if we want to have lots of mirrors.  :)
[12:21] <superm1> ah yes good point
[12:22] <laga> decss is not OK but liblame is OK? ;)
[12:22] <superm1> i've got some basic basic code in mythbuntu-control-centre that will activate medibuntu repos and install dvdcss from them, but i havent turned it on yet
[12:36] <laga> superm1: i extended mythbuntu-lirc-generator to add a (configurable) delay= and repeat = section into the lircrcs. i could commit it, but i'd rather have it reviewed first. should i bug foxbuntu or you?
[12:36] <superm1> well laga commit it, and i'll see a diff
[12:36] <superm1>  :)
[12:36] <laga> k
[12:36] <superm1> it still has to be manually uploaded to universe either way
[12:38] <laga> still testing since i dont actually know python
[12:39] <tgm4883> anyone know a whole lot about matching ram?
[12:40] <laga> what do you need to know?
[12:41] <tgm4883> well
[12:41] <tgm4883> I went to get a matching stick of ram, but they were out of what I had last time, which was just a kingston PC5300 1 GB stick
[12:42] <tgm4883> so I grabbed a PNY PC5300 1GB stick, but im not sure if it's going to work the same or if I should just exchange it for the kingston when it's back in stock
[12:42] <tgm4883> and I didnt' really feel like ordering it and waiting for it
[12:43] <directhex> you're fine
[12:43] <laga> run memtest86 and check it
[12:43] <laga> but yes, should be OK
[12:43] <directhex> if you're that stressed, run decode-dimms.pl to check both sticks have matching timings
[12:43] <tgm4883> well, my question is, for dual channel operation
[12:43] <tgm4883> will it work
[12:43] <directhex> tgm4883, anything goes, as long as both sticks are the same size, for dual channel
[12:43] <laga> yeah
[12:43] <laga> your bios should tell ya that
[12:44] <tgm4883> well I was contemplating not opening it, as the stupid restocking fee is like 15%
[12:44] <directhex> tgm4883, just make sure you use the right slot. some boards you need matchig colors, some you need non-matching colors
[12:45] <tgm4883> holey crap
[12:45] <tgm4883> why must they make this things so freaking hard to open
[12:45] <directhex> check the manual
[12:45] <directhex> tgm4883, blister pack? get an argon laser!
[12:45] <tgm4883> I dont think there is a manual to open it ;)