[01:17] superm1: should be dandy [01:17] um [01:17] are we visiting the same site? [01:18] what is seen here: http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/ [01:18] is what should be seen here http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/ [01:20] ie http://uk.weeklybuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/ubuntu/mirror/ppa.launchpad.net/ [01:20] dvd works,.. [01:21] but avi i can't get it [01:21] divx that is [01:21] superm1: The layout must have changed then... this is how you wanted it previously.. i'm sure [01:21] Daviey, this is exactly how ppa.launchpad.net is organized [01:22] it looks like you just need to adjust your symlink === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:25] superm1: how is that? [01:25] Daviey, much better :) [01:25] how frequently do you have yours set to update now? [01:26] erm.. once every time i type ./update ;) [01:26] I'll cron it now [01:26] what are you setting yours for? [01:26] well axel's cron thing is still broke [01:26] so i might setup a cron that will ssh in and do it from somewhere else [01:27] heh [01:27] but i was thinking once every 6 hours or so? [01:27] Well if we do it at the same UTC time, then it should keep them in sync [01:27] 6hrs? hmm... [01:28] I suppose it shouldn't use too much bandwidth, as apt-mirror should just get changed packages [01:28] double check that [01:28] as long as that is the case, then i say a more frequent schedule is the way to go [01:28] Well if it does use bw... then i don't think it needs to be that freq.. especially as it is called weekly builds :) [01:29] yea [01:29] but it also grabs everything else from the PPA too [01:29] so it might make more sense to do cd builds from that [01:30] true... what are we doing about a 'stable' branch? [01:30] Ie, one that won't pest people *every* week to upgrade? [01:31] but still newer than official repo's? [01:31] well isn't that what this is? [01:31] if they dont want to upgrade they dont upgrade [01:31] this is mythtv svn trunk right? [01:32] well trunk and fixes [01:32] are both here [01:32] of course.. doh [01:33] Should we include the released 0.20.2? [01:33] as a third? [01:33] that will be on -updates [01:33] of the normal repos [01:33] soon (hopefully) [01:33] arg.. you are correct === Daviey needs sleep [01:34] well get some sleep :) [01:34] I haven't capped the weekly builds... so hopefully it won't get too hammered [01:34] I wouldn't have thought so... [01:35] i think i'll be getting some sleep aswell,.. [01:35] i got .mpg to work [01:35] tomorrow .wmv, divx and xvid [01:35] nn all [01:35] nn [01:35] denbeiren, what are you using this with? [01:36] why can't they put it in from the beginning [01:36] mplayer, xine myth? [01:36] mythtv [01:36] you can try using an external player instead [01:37] i just want the system to use mythbuntu and play it all,.. [01:38] i don't want to go into a desktop environement an play around there,.. [01:38] you dont need to [01:38] you set up an external player to be called from within mythtv [01:38] my wife has to be able tu use the mce aswell [01:38] so what would you advise? [01:38] such as xine or mplayer [01:38] well i use xine myself [01:39] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythVideo [01:39] that will discuss how to setup xine to work [01:39] the system will mostly be used to rip dvd's, (maybe convert them to divx for example) watch downloaden movies (xvid + divx [01:39] and listen to some music ,.. [01:40] of course watch sat tv and record,.. but that's for later, when i find someone to help me config the dvb card [01:40] right, well there is nothing wrong with using xine for now, the only difference is that its an external app rather than using internal myth to play stuff back [01:40] so myth acts more like a fe for selecting your videos and just queueing them up [01:41] so download the package, log out of mythtv, set up xine in desktop environement and go back into myth? [01:42] well if your on mythbuntu alpha 4 [01:42] open up the control centre [01:42] and select xine [01:42] hit apply and it will download [01:42] close the control centre, and then go to the mythvideo setup area and just change it to use xine as the default as described on that page [01:45] xine was already selected there [01:45] as is everything else [01:46] okay then you've got it installed already [01:46] just activate it as described on that page [01:46] i don't really get it what they mean there :( [01:48] $ xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo [01:48] okay so you go into the settings menu [01:48] and choose media [01:48] and choose mythvideo [01:48] this in the terminal screen? [01:48] it will pull up a page that has a text box [01:48] that currently has it listed as "Internal" [01:48] you switch that over to be " xine -f --auto-play=q -l --no-splash --no-logo" [01:48] instead [01:49] ok will try [01:50] tv out works like a charm btw [01:50] thanks again ;-) [01:50] wonderful :) === TelnetManta [n=benwilli@71-12-14-250.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:54] the new player is being used now,.. and wmv file is playing [01:54] but i have the "controlpanel" of the player in midscreen :s [01:55] and no sound :s [01:55] well the control panel is easily hidden, and sounds settings adjustable [01:55] Hiya superm1 [01:55] hi TelnetManta [01:55] ANything new on the ubuntu mythtv front? [01:56] well there is always new stuff going down in here :) [01:56] soundvolume is on,.. think i'm missing a codec here [01:56] my box has been chugging along so I havent been around the chan much [01:56] TelnetManta, well that's a good thing though right? [01:56] denbeiren, try a file that you should have the codecs [01:56] oh yeah. But you never know what kind of good stuff youre missing [01:57] TelnetManta, well we're gonna switch things over to an xfce based env in the near future [01:57] i'll try that tomorrow,... i'll put some testfiles on there to check [01:57] okay [01:58] thanks again m8!! 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You can't install restricted drivers etc automatically [06:36] New bug: #138810 in mythtv (multiverse) "Mythtv Frontend doesn't work with some sound systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138810 [06:44] Nevermind - apt-get update fixed the issue === billbrasky [n=billbras@c-24-13-14-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest45 [n=Mythbunt@adm128.admin.uwa.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === MythbuntuGuest45 [n=Mythbunt@adm128.admin.uwa.edu.au] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] [08:08] laga ? === stevenshiau [n=c00jhs00@palm180.nchc.org.tw] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:13] superm1? [08:13] yea what's up? [08:13] stevenshiau the creator of drbl / clonezilla is online now [08:14] ah hello stevenshiau [08:14] Hi Deffcon, superml [08:14] Deffcon told me to join this [08:14] too bad laga isn't around, i haven't kept up with the discussion on drbl [08:14] I think he want drbl to work with mythtv [08:14] so you guys will have to fill me in on things [08:20] superm1 : ask laga i told him everything yesterday [08:21] okay so what can you compare drbl to? [08:21] what's it similar to [08:23] superml: it's similar to LTSP fat client mode [08:23] recently in LTSP 5, there is a mode for fat client. LTSP used to be only for thin client [08:23] so its a pxe boot setup ? [08:23] sort of [08:24] DRBL is for fat client only [08:24] client uses PXE/etherboot to boot [08:24] by fat client, that means the what exactly then? [08:24] DRBL = Diskless Remote Boot in Linux [08:26] fat client means the client has all the power (memory, CPU) to run the application locally [08:26] not in the terminal mode [08:26] well so how does this differ from a pxe boot with nfs root then? [08:26] actually that's the same one [08:26] DRBL just make people to create a diskless server easily [08:27] s/make/makes/g [08:27] ah i see [08:27] no more a lot of howtos.. [08:27] so drbl provides a quick setup to do an install in an nfs root, create the nfs share [08:27] etc [08:27] yes [08:28] you can check this url for more details http://drbl.sf.net [08:29] yea this looks quite similar to the setup that i use (but did everything by hand) for my HD FE [08:30] how come this isn't in Ubuntu repos? [08:31] well... I think we have to polish the codes [08:31] and since there is already LTSP 5 [08:31] have you made an attempt to get it in yet? or no [08:31] not really [08:31] well what is the advantage of this over LTSP 5 then? [08:31] but will try to polish the codes first [08:32] http://drbl.sourceforge.net/faq/index.php#path=./1_Common&entry=01_DRBL_LTSP.faq [08:32] ///NOTE/// From LTSP 5.0, there is a fat client (diskless workstation, LowFat client) mode, it's basically quite similar to DRBL. [08:32] Besides the diskless (fat/powerful) client mode provided by DRBL, DRBL provides other functions, such as: [08:32] (a) Clonezilla, the opensource clone system. It's a server version of imaging tool, similar to Ghost server edition, True image or Rembo. By using Clonezilla, you can clone a 5.6 GBytes system image to 40 computers within 10 minutes via multicasting. [08:32] (b) Small Linux diskless soltion. DRBL provides Damn Small Linux (DSL), PuppyLinux... for clients. You can import those small Linux distributions and let client boot from PXE without hardisk, CD or USB flash drive. [08:32] (c) Diskless FreeDOS for clients. [08:32] (d) Diskless memtest for clients. [08:32] (e) Install GNU/Linux (Debian, Ubuntu, Fedora, CentOS, Mandriva, SuSE...) for clients from network. [08:32] LTSP and DRBL each have their own benefits. Choose the one that is best suited to your needs. [08:33] To others: sorry for the long messages [08:34] well at this point it is too late in the release cycle to get things into ubuntu/mythbuntu. Starting in nov/dec though, I can work with you guys to get this into ubuntu at a minimum [08:34] and then go from there when we do some experimentation [08:34] so that gives you a few months to work on the code polishing and such [08:34] yes. [08:35] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/98886 [08:35] Launchpad bug 98886 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging] drbl / clonezilla" [Wishlist,Confirmed] [08:35] ha, thanks. ubotu [08:37] well indeed, i'll subscribe to that bug [08:37] and once the next cycle starts, if no one else takes i tup [08:37] i'll be glad to [08:38] thanks, superml [08:41] I think what Deffcon now he wants is to make mythtv work with DRBL [08:41] well i dont see why it wont [08:41] I did try that about 1 month ago [08:42] but failed [08:42] like i said i have a setup very similar to what drbl has [08:42] and i use it for my hidef frontend [08:42] maybe it's because of the file arch [08:42] not sure [08:42] I never run mythtv before... Sorry to say that :) [08:42] well when things failed? [08:42] what happened? [08:42] ok, cool [08:43] superm1 : i'm pretty sure that drbl is an outcome for mythbuntu, because you can everything diskless [08:43] because drbl client share /usr with that in drbl server [08:43] do you think it's a problem or not ? [08:43] oh no not at all [08:43] as long as they have their own /etc [08:43] not a big deal [08:43] although every drbl client has its own /etc, /var [08:43] but having their own /var will mix things up [08:43] ok [08:43] good [08:44] because then what happens when apt thinks a package is installed on one [08:44] no, every client has its own /etc/, var/ [08:44] but not the other [08:44] oh [08:44] then it finds the files in /usr on one of them [08:44] yes [08:44] yes [08:44] so how do you get around that? [08:45] so they can not share /var/lib/dpkg ? [08:45] well they will need to share that [08:45] for it to make snese [08:45] sense even [08:45] but if they have their own /var [08:45] they wont share that [08:45] actually in drbl client, it will... [08:46] since /var/lib/dpkg is mounted again. [08:46] but it can be removed actually [08:46] just need to know that [08:46] and its very fast when booting client [08:46] so you mean mythtv will check /var/lib/dpkg ? [08:46] superm1 i use drbl clonezilla for my work 57 clients [08:46] wow [08:46] big setup there [08:46] yep [08:47] well its not necessarily a mythtv specific issue with /var/lib/dpkg/ [08:47] but just a general issue i forsee [08:47] http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?in_path=/09_NCCW_Holland [08:47] ok [08:48] um http://drbl.sourceforge.net/screenshot/?op=show&filepath=album//09_NCCW_Holland/IMG_0005.JPG ? [08:49] yes windows clients as well but for that to clone i use clonezilla, basically for mythtv u only have to use drbl [08:49] right [08:49] well so ideally how do you think this would fit in mythbuntu then? [08:50] someone would use it to install a drbl/mythbuntu backend [08:50] or would add it on later? [08:50] ok i will tell you an example [08:51] i used linuxmce for a while there is an option to use diskless frontends [08:52] as in during install of the main box? [08:53] but to complex drbl makes it very simple to use, the enduser when drbl is installed will not have to worry about difficulties its very easy to maintain when its intergrated into mythbuntu, example is have an pc's lying around in my bedroom and i want to have an frontend, just boot the frontend from pxe and you get an diskless mythfrontend [08:53] yea i can see that being a very attractive setup [08:53] actually if its possible you can implemted drbl in live cd installer under advanceed option next to choosing primary frontend/backend only frontend etc [08:54] yea that seems like a good place that it would fit [08:54] and then having an option later on in the control centre to add it as well [08:54] in fact on my work when i tell drbl to boot all my 57 clients of one server in this case the backend/ drbl server the clients boots in less then 1 1/2 minutes [08:55] yes for example actually that is a great idea and just mention the option "drbl pxe booting "in the installer that you can install this later from mythbuntu-control-centre [08:56] well eventually all the options in the installer will be available inthe control centre [08:56] there just is so many at this point, that its becoming a management nightmakre [08:56] the control centre will need to be revamped again i think [08:56] but it look very ggood [08:57] there is a lot of hidden options in it, that aren't activated because of the code behind them becoming so ugly :) [08:58] but do you think that drbl would be something fro mythbuntu, would'nt it be cool to let fronmtends bootoff the backend [08:59] and fully boot in an frontend [08:59] yea it would be pretty cool [08:59] with my current setup, my old frontend had a mobo go bad [08:59] so i was able to take my desktop, bring it to the living room and turn on pxe boot for it [08:59] and it booted up my pxe setup [08:59] but stevenshiau is a really clever and good man what i think he would be glad to help [08:59] i'm sure tons of people would love to have things like that going [09:00] superm1 : i thought that laga build svn last night for new svn trunk [09:01] Deffcon, i've no idea what he did :) [09:01] Deffcon: I am only a common man, not so clever, just like to have fun with Linux [09:01] i may think you're are a clever man [09:02] Deffcon: anyway, whatever you say [09:02] I know you want me to make drbl work with mythtv [09:02] sure, I will do my best to try that [09:02] yep [09:02] because i really think that this is what people are looking for at home [09:03] because everyone has lying old and new hardware at home to give new live [09:05] superm1 : will you give drbl a try ? [09:05] Deffcon, not within this release cycle, but for sure afterward [09:05] within this cycle my time is already stretched thin enough :) [09:05] wow cool man [09:06] i told you yesterday that you can give me some testing work to find bugs or test other stuff [09:06] yea i've got your nvidia-settings bug fixed [09:06] i'm gonna upload that tonight [09:06] really wow you're are fast [09:06] i just had one more change to add to the control centre before doing so [09:06] it was a quick fix [09:06] what was the problem [09:07] nvidia-settings didn't support a command line switch that was being passed to it [09:07] oh ok that i understand [09:07] tell me what can i test [09:08] i would really what to try svn trunk but its not working with this release [09:08] well at this point, as soon as DaveMorris has the xfce stuff ready to go: that [09:08] but i'm not sure how he is coming on that [09:08] i've got what i think will resolve the cd respository problem too [09:09] but i'm not sure yet [09:09] tell me [09:09] well it requires rebuilding the disk again [09:09] with some additional signing on it [09:10] with what tooling are you doing this [09:10] its a hand crafted script [09:10] stored in one of our bzr branches [09:10] over here: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/mythbuntu/mythbuntu-livedisk [09:11] mythbuntu is really the thing i whas looking for home and drbl for work so i thought bring those people together and make it an fantastic open-source product === behdha [n=behdha@217.166.51.89] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === behdha is now known as Deffcon [09:36] superm1 : can i test something for you [09:40] Deffcon, i'm gonna push the update to mythbuntu-control-centre in a few minutes to the archive, so if you can find anything else wrong with it [09:40] it will probably take a little to publish depending on which mirror your using [09:42] i'm headed to bed though for now. [09:43] night night [09:54] night superm1 === DaveMorris [n=dave@cubert.itri.bton.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === stevenshiau [n=c00jhs00@palm180.nchc.org.tw] has left #ubuntu-mythtv [] === MythbuntuGuest44 [n=Mythbunt@h104n2.eskilstunaenergi.ias.bredband.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === jono [n=jono@88-107-83-122.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [11:21] i wonder why some emails from launchad/bug tracker are correctly sorted into the ubuntu-mythtv folder in TB while some still show up in my inbox [11:21] blah [11:28] when people send a document to themselves but BCC it to everyone else the mail filters don't work [11:28] ah === laga sighs and resubmits mythplugins to the ppa. [11:36] with the new trunk builds, are wew able to create a tag for the bugs to be filled correctly under this [11:37] let's see [11:37] ugh, using launchpad before n oon [11:38] https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ [11:38] we can report 'em here [11:42] https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+bug/138843 [11:42] Launchpad bug 138843 in mythbuntu "Test bug" [Undecided,New] [11:42] DaveMorris: ^^ do you see where you can tag bugs? [11:43] hum [11:43] ok, looks like bugs should be filed against project "mythbuntu-trunk" then. [11:50] New bug: #138843 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138843 [11:51] Deffcon: the trunk builds are ready, except for mythplugins again :/ [11:51] Deffcon: i'll kick off a rebuild in a few minutes and let you know when it's ready. [11:52] why can't I see Deffcon's questions? [11:54] in launchpad? [11:54] in here [11:56] he didn't aks any [11:56] he asked a few hours ago === DaveMorris is confused as why you posted to deffcon about trunk builds [11:56] ahh [12:05] New bug: #138848 in mythbuntu-trunk "Test bug #2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138848 [12:05] cool [12:20] DaveMorris: thx [12:21] we going to get any more spam ;) [12:21] no, not today [12:55] how do you m ake internal links to pages on mythbuntu.org? [12:56] not sure, I've done it though [12:57] i'll just make a normal link then [12:58] yay [12:58] mythplugins trunk build was published [12:58] i hope i won't have to touch these anymore in the next time [12:58] been spending way too much time with that === MythbuntuGuest39 [n=Mythbunt@CPE-124-190-96-34.vic.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [01:20] New bug: #138857 in mythplugins (multiverse) "Mytharchive calling ffmpeg with wrong resolution" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138857 [02:09] lovely. CD building is troublesome for me. wonder if it's broken because i added the mythbuntu-trunk ppa as well [02:11] looks like it's working after configuring the packages manually === bendailey [n=bendaile@mail.bhmsd.k12.in.us] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:15] Daviey, hello? === Rainey [n=Rainman@166.166.235.167] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === DeGon [n=DeGon@84-72-82-101.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:27] bendailey: hey [02:27] just tearing mythbunto down, will see how it works. tried it before with mythdora but tv-tuner was not detected.... [02:27] hello [02:28] hoping on better hardware detection with mythbuntu [02:29] anybody familiar with the mythbuntu project in here? [02:29] DeGon: this is where alot of the mythbuntu talk happens [02:29] DeGon: YES [02:30] Daviey: I have reached my bandwidth limit [02:30] eek [02:30] very nice.... just downloaded it and will give a try [02:30] Okay.. i'll remove you [02:30] bendailey: what is your limit? [02:30] still seeking fort the ultimate MC solution (since nearly 2 years) [02:31] DeGon: what hardware do you have? [02:31] bendailey: You should stop recieving traffic automajically now === DaveMorris is now on the launchpad beta team superm1 and laga [02:32] DaveMorris: congratulations [02:32] ia have a home build htpc with a P4 2,8Ghz on a mini-itx mobo [02:32] yeah I am going to shoot an email to the provider and see if I can buy a bigger package [02:32] Daviey: My Limit is 10GB/month [02:32] with a pvr 150 hauppauge tv tuner [02:32] DeGon: mythbuntu should detect your tv tuner. [02:32] bendailey: eeek - i reckon you reached that yonks ago [02:33] already mythdora should have detected it but didn't [02:33] DeGon: whats the video chipset? [02:33] unfortunately its an integrated 32megs chipset (s3 savage) which can take up to 256 megs from RAM (1GB) [02:34] DeGon: what's the problem with that? [02:35] windows with mediaportal was impossible to run tv [02:35] oh [02:35] suse with myth tv did but had other probs there [02:35] well, if it's got Xv support, it should work fine with mythtv and SDTV [02:35] mythdora doesn't find tv tuner [02:35] xv support? [02:36] DeGon: xvideo extension in your x server/driver. allows for accelerated video playback === koslow [n=dmytro@p549313BA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:36] hmm will have a look [02:38] thats my HTPC (its fanless ;) ) http://forum.team-mediaportal.com/fanless_htpc_p4_2_8_ghz-t3937.html [02:39] i bet that gets hot [02:40] oh, nice case [02:40] on the outside a it but not really 53 Celsius max on the processor after 2 hours of 100% [02:41] nice [02:41] DeGon: you german? [02:41] tested it during 6 hours on 100%, processor temperature was never higher that 53C [02:41] yes [02:41] swiss [02:41] ah [02:41] there's also #mythtv-de and www.mythwiki.de [02:41] jmust a FYI ;) [02:42] laga how did you work that out? [02:42] jeah thats where I was often also... but am not so patient with mythtv and linux (although i use Linux on my desktop). so i am still looking for the best pre-configured MC [02:43] DaveMorris: did work what out? [02:43] that he was German/Swiss? === DeGon is now known as DeGon|willbeback [02:43] DaveMorris: usually, /whois degon it is [02:43] hrhr [02:43] DaveMorris: but this time, i found various references to german sites in his posting in the mediaportal forum [02:43] ahhh [02:44] so will install now mythbunto for the first time now... its not a live dvd isn't it? [02:44] and you can sometimes tell from spelling/grammar mistakes people make, but not in this case ;) [02:44] DeGon|willbeback: it's a live cd which can be installed. [02:44]