| ubotu | New bug: #138774 in xorg-server (main) "[patch] XGrabKey allows several grabs on the same key by the same client" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138774 | 01:15 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #126996 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Clicking on File menu completely freezes X.org (dup-of: 113679)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126996 | 09:46 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #138826 in xorg (main) "[gutsy] since last update of xorg mouse is in slow motion or too fast to see" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138826 | 10:45 |
| ubotu | New bug: #44981 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa (main) "Dapper: Vesa driver not working under AMD64" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44981 | 11:40 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #138899 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "On current Gutsy LiveCD X won't start on Ati x200m" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138899 | 04:50 |
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| tormod | are we getting ati 6.7.192 in gutsy soon? | 10:03 |
| tepsipakki | actually, I'm having issues with it ;) | 10:08 |
| tormod | since when? | 10:16 |
| tormod | since 6.6.193 or something newer? | 10:16 |
| tepsipakki | since I realized it was the newer driver and not my experimental mesa/xserver builds | 10:16 |
| tepsipakki | not that it matters much though, but compiz doesn't work with it correctly OOTB | 10:17 |
| tormod | aha dogfood ;) | 10:17 |
| tepsipakki | I'm now running what ubuntu provides, and need to find a workaround | 10:18 |
| tepsipakki | only a part of the screen is refreshed | 10:18 |
| tormod | did you try 6.6.193? | 10:18 |
| tepsipakki | that works, running it now | 10:18 |
| tormod | did any others testers see this? | 10:19 |
| tepsipakki | no, I guess no-one has r200 | 10:20 |
| tepsipakki | goddamnit I hate the compiz feature that slides other windows past the one you clicked | 10:21 |
| tepsipakki | can't find how to disable that | 10:21 |
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| bryce_ | heya | 10:27 |
| tepsipakki | bryce_: hey | 10:27 |
| bryce_ | tepsipakki, hey we're both awake :-) | 10:28 |
| tepsipakki | bryce_: have you done an UVF request for -ati already, or should I do that? | 10:28 |
| bryce_ | please go ahead and do that | 10:28 |
| bryce_ | wireless has been extremely unreliable at XDS | 10:28 |
| bryce_ | daniels finally just went and bought an AP and connected it up to a wired port we found, and things seem working now | 10:29 |
| tepsipakki | bryce_: ok, about time for that. I have some small issues but hopefully I'll find workarounds | 10:29 |
| bryce_ | ok cool | 10:31 |
| bryce_ | I've been hanging around with alex | 10:31 |
| bryce_ | he says there are 3 fixes in git that are pretty important | 10:32 |
| tepsipakki | I have that one packaged, but not tested it myself yet | 10:32 |
| tepsipakki | git master that is | 10:32 |
| bryce_ | he thinks he'll be doing a release (probably .193 but maybe 6.8.0) in a week or two | 10:32 |
| tepsipakki | sweet | 10:32 |
| bryce_ | I let him know about the testers we've been encouraging to send bug reports his way, and he did remark that he's seen a huge upswing in feedback, which he really appreciates | 10:34 |
| tepsipakki | that's good | 10:35 |
| bryce_ | so I think 192 plus the fixes you backported should definitely uvfe'd for now. Then if .193 or whatever comes late, we'll be able to at least backport any critical fixes | 10:37 |
| tepsipakki | yep | 10:39 |
| tepsipakki | hmm, do we have a list of regressions in 6.6.193 that 6.7.x should fix? | 10:46 |
| bryce_ | I have a trimmed down changelog of 6.6.193 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgRecentChanges | 10:48 |
| bryce_ | but not for 6.7.x yet | 10:48 |
| bryce_ | tepsipakki, the developer of this gave a demo today; it was extremely cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWjnfBoY8E | 10:53 |
| bryce_ | it's also cool to see just how many of the x developers run ubuntu :-) | 10:56 |
| mvo | bryce_: is there a decision on 1.4/new nvidia yet? so that I can plan what to do with nvidia and compiz :) ? | 10:56 |
| bryce_ | we're not doing xserver 1.4 | 10:56 |
| bryce_ | benc (iirc) uploaded a new -nvidia 100.14.11 a week or two ago; I wasn't planning on any further changes... | 10:57 |
| bryce_ | mvo, regarding the patch 132, I've appraised the UME folks about it and let them know that it's causing breakage in compiz, but so far no response | 10:58 |
| mvo | ok | 10:58 |
| bryce_ | mvo, I'd like to know for certain whether they are going to baseline on Feisty or bump to Gutsy | 10:58 |
| mvo | that may mean that we have to blacklist nvidia in compiz it for gutsy | 10:58 |
| bryce_ | if the latter, then the problem goes away - we can just drop 132 with no regrets | 10:59 |
| bryce_ | I think that'd be fine | 10:59 |
| mvo | its not urgent, just something that needs to be sorted before beta | 10:59 |
| bryce_ | yeah I am planning on taking a deeper look after I get back from XDS | 11:00 |
| tepsipakki | bryce_: no-one from nvidia at XDS? I've heard that there was a new driver coming some time soon | 11:00 |
| bryce_ | maybe there's some way to conditionalize based on whether -psb is in use | 11:00 |
| bryce_ | nope, no one from nvidia, not even aaronp | 11:00 |
| tepsipakki | ok | 11:01 |
| tepsipakki | MPX is nice.. should get in for 7.4 | 11:01 |
| bryce_ | maybe | 11:02 |
| bryce_ | sounds like there are going to be tons and tons of issues getting apps to grab focus correctly when there are multiple pointers | 11:02 |
| bryce_ | RedHat presented what they'll be working on: | 11:04 |
| tepsipakki | I was just about to ask about that :) | 11:04 |
| jcristau | fwiw, brice posted a summary at http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/12340.html | 11:05 |
| bryce_ | composite by default, EXA performance, smooth GUI booting (minimize monitor resets durning startup), improved fast user switching, oops on X support, and some stuff around DRM | 11:05 |
| tepsipakki | jcristau: strange, haven't seen that on p.d.o | 11:07 |
| bryce_ | jcristau, ah, yeah I missed that talk | 11:07 |
| tepsipakki | but reading now | 11:07 |
| jcristau | it's cool for us not able to attend to have some notes on what happens in cambridge :) | 11:08 |
| jcristau | like kyle swimming in the cam | 11:09 |
| bryce_ | I took pretty detailed (hand written) notes; I can work on getting them typed up if you're interested | 11:09 |
| tepsipakki | I sure am | 11:10 |
| bryce_ | ah yeah; they went punting and apparently he decided he'd be better at poling than mjg, but while he was standing up someone rocked the boat and he fell in | 11:10 |
| bryce_ | he said he swallowed some of the (stagnant) water and now is hypochondriacing himself various life threatening illnesses | 11:11 |
| jcristau | heh | 11:11 |
| tepsipakki | ouch | 11:11 |
| jcristau | i'm sure enough beer will help him forget about that water ;) | 11:11 |
| tepsipakki | "mo' bubbles" | 11:12 |
| jcristau | or pimms | 11:12 |
| tepsipakki | that reminds me.. the tax-free shops at heathrow are great, free samples of whiskies and pimms if you like :) | 11:13 |
| bryce_ | yeah last night we went for drinks; they'd paid 1000 pounds but we only managed to drink 600 pounds worth, even after a round of double shots of tequilla | 11:13 |
| bryce_ | yeah and a round of pimms... wtf?? | 11:13 |
| tepsipakki | heh, no wonder some of the notes are a bit hard to read ;) | 11:14 |
| mvo | haha | 11:15 |
| mvo | that sounds like a fun event | 11:15 |
| mvo | bryce_: compsite-by-default was on the agenda? | 11:15 |
| jcristau | composite is on by default in 1.4 | 11:16 |
| tepsipakki | ooh, so TTM could get in 2.6.24 | 11:17 |
| bryce_ | mvo, composite-by-default was on RedHat's current projects list | 11:17 |
| bryce_ | mvo, xorg in general I think is neutral on whether it's on by default | 11:18 |
| jcristau | oh, you mean composite-by-default as in compiz-by-default | 11:18 |
| bryce_ | I think that's what was meant | 11:18 |
| bryce_ | their slides said "composite-by-default" | 11:19 |
| jcristau | yeah, sorry | 11:19 |
| bryce_ | oh and btw, we now have a ubuntu-x@ mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x | 11:25 |
| tepsipakki | yeah | 11:25 |
| tepsipakki | saw that one :) | 11:25 |
| bryce_ | I expect we'll be able to use it for ubuntu-specific X development/packaging/testing discussions | 11:26 |
| bryce_ | I like how the ubuntu forum for X testing is resulting, but I'm much more a mailing list sorta guy ;-) | 11:26 |
| tepsipakki | me too | 11:26 |
| bryce_ | so I figure now we'll have all bases covered | 11:27 |
| tepsipakki | forums need a browser, I just use screen with irc&alpine | 11:27 |
| bryce_ | oh hey I had a question | 11:29 |
| bryce_ | I was having dinner with Matthew Timmerman from AMD, and he asked about how to "de-blacklist fglrx" | 11:30 |
| bryce_ | I wasn't sure what he meant by that - does this make sense for either of you? | 11:30 |
| tepsipakki | did xserver conflict with it some time ago? | 11:31 |
| jcristau | i added a conflict in the 1.3 timeframe, and then took it out when fglrx got fixed | 11:31 |
| jcristau | but i don't think that ever got into ubuntu | 11:32 |
| tepsipakki | actually, it is :) | 11:32 |
| bryce_ | hmm, was that done in xorg or xorg-server? | 11:32 |
| jcristau | xorg-server | 11:32 |
| tepsipakki | but versions (<< 8.37.6) | 11:32 |
| bryce_ | ahh, so perhaps that's it | 11:32 |
| jcristau | ah, right | 11:32 |
| tepsipakki | but that should be right | 11:32 |
| bryce_ | ok so it could be already fixed? | 11:32 |
| tepsipakki | they have 8.4x already | 11:33 |
| jcristau | earlier versions didn't like the 'X.Org version 1.3' output from Xorg | 11:33 |
| tepsipakki | hah | 11:33 |
| tepsipakki | gutsy has 8.37.6 | 11:34 |
| tepsipakki | mm, but (<<) means that should be installable | 11:34 |
| jcristau | yeah you should be ok | 11:34 |
| bryce_ | ok cool | 11:34 |
| bryce_ | oh, and have either of you played much with xvfb? sounds like it could be handy for headless testing | 11:35 |
| jcristau | i never used it | 11:36 |
| tepsipakki | I haven't | 11:36 |
| bryce_ | I'm thinking about trying it out - I notice the X test suite makes use of it so I'm curious how actually relevant it is. | 11:37 |
| tepsipakki | ok I filed the UVF request.. it's still missing some required information and I'll add those in the morning | 11:46 |
| bryce_ | cool | 11:46 |
| jcristau | bah, we have way too many input drivers. | 11:48 |
| tepsipakki | indeed | 11:48 |
| Ubotu | New bug: #138987 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[UVF] new version, 6.7.192 + fixes from git master" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138987 | 11:50 |
| tepsipakki | ok, running my latest ati package at last.. and it works just fine even with compiz | 12:11 |
| tepsipakki | increasing the resolution was what made it look funny | 12:12 |
| tepsipakki | but restarting the session cleared that up | 12:13 |
| bryce_ | cool | 12:14 |
| bryce_ | I'm about 50% done typing in notes | 12:14 |
| tepsipakki | and I'm 100% ripe for bed :) | 12:15 |
| bryce_ | I'm at least 80% ripe | 12:15 |
| bryce_ | I'm going to see if I can finish | 12:15 |
| tepsipakki | so see you tomorrow! -> | 12:15 |
| bryce_ | cya! | 12:15 |
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