[01:15] New bug: #138774 in xorg-server (main) "[patch] XGrabKey allows several grabs on the same key by the same client" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138774 === tehk [n=tehk@c-68-44-165-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-x === mvo [n=egon@p54A67B1B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-x [09:46] New bug: #126996 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Clicking on File menu completely freezes X.org (dup-of: 113679)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126996 === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.233] has joined #ubuntu-x [10:45] New bug: #138826 in xorg (main) "[gutsy] since last update of xorg mouse is in slow motion or too fast to see" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138826 [11:40] New bug: #44981 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa (main) "Dapper: Vesa driver not working under AMD64" [Medium,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44981 === jcristau [n=jcristau@hydrogene.pps.jussieu.fr] has joined #ubuntu-x === kylem [n=kyle@amnesiac.heapspace.net] has joined #ubuntu-x === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu-nl.org] has joined #ubuntu-x [04:50] New bug: #138899 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "On current Gutsy LiveCD X won't start on Ati x200m" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138899 === tormod [n=tormod@138.131.206.233] has left #ubuntu-x ["Ex-Chat"] === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-x === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-x [10:03] are we getting ati 6.7.192 in gutsy soon? [10:08] actually, I'm having issues with it ;) [10:16] since when? [10:16] since 6.6.193 or something newer? [10:16] since I realized it was the newer driver and not my experimental mesa/xserver builds [10:17] not that it matters much though, but compiz doesn't work with it correctly OOTB [10:17] aha dogfood ;) [10:18] I'm now running what ubuntu provides, and need to find a workaround [10:18] only a part of the screen is refreshed [10:18] did you try 6.6.193? [10:18] that works, running it now [10:19] did any others testers see this? [10:20] no, I guess no-one has r200 [10:21] goddamnit I hate the compiz feature that slides other windows past the one you clicked [10:21] can't find how to disable that === bryce_ [n=bryce@86.155.67.23] has joined #ubuntu-x [10:27] heya [10:27] bryce_: hey [10:28] tepsipakki, hey we're both awake :-) [10:28] bryce_: have you done an UVF request for -ati already, or should I do that? [10:28] please go ahead and do that [10:28] wireless has been extremely unreliable at XDS [10:29] daniels finally just went and bought an AP and connected it up to a wired port we found, and things seem working now [10:29] bryce_: ok, about time for that. I have some small issues but hopefully I'll find workarounds [10:31] ok cool [10:31] I've been hanging around with alex [10:32] he says there are 3 fixes in git that are pretty important [10:32] I have that one packaged, but not tested it myself yet [10:32] git master that is [10:32] he thinks he'll be doing a release (probably .193 but maybe 6.8.0) in a week or two [10:32] sweet [10:34] I let him know about the testers we've been encouraging to send bug reports his way, and he did remark that he's seen a huge upswing in feedback, which he really appreciates [10:35] that's good [10:37] so I think 192 plus the fixes you backported should definitely uvfe'd for now. Then if .193 or whatever comes late, we'll be able to at least backport any critical fixes [10:39] yep [10:46] hmm, do we have a list of regressions in 6.6.193 that 6.7.x should fix? [10:48] I have a trimmed down changelog of 6.6.193 here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgRecentChanges [10:48] but not for 6.7.x yet [10:53] tepsipakki, the developer of this gave a demo today; it was extremely cool: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWjnfBoY8E [10:56] it's also cool to see just how many of the x developers run ubuntu :-) [10:56] bryce_: is there a decision on 1.4/new nvidia yet? so that I can plan what to do with nvidia and compiz :) ? [10:56] we're not doing xserver 1.4 [10:57] benc (iirc) uploaded a new -nvidia 100.14.11 a week or two ago; I wasn't planning on any further changes... [10:58] mvo, regarding the patch 132, I've appraised the UME folks about it and let them know that it's causing breakage in compiz, but so far no response [10:58] ok [10:58] mvo, I'd like to know for certain whether they are going to baseline on Feisty or bump to Gutsy [10:58] that may mean that we have to blacklist nvidia in compiz it for gutsy [10:59] if the latter, then the problem goes away - we can just drop 132 with no regrets [10:59] I think that'd be fine [10:59] its not urgent, just something that needs to be sorted before beta [11:00] yeah I am planning on taking a deeper look after I get back from XDS [11:00] bryce_: no-one from nvidia at XDS? I've heard that there was a new driver coming some time soon [11:00] maybe there's some way to conditionalize based on whether -psb is in use [11:00] nope, no one from nvidia, not even aaronp [11:01] ok [11:01] MPX is nice.. should get in for 7.4 [11:02] maybe [11:02] sounds like there are going to be tons and tons of issues getting apps to grab focus correctly when there are multiple pointers [11:04] RedHat presented what they'll be working on: [11:04] I was just about to ask about that :) [11:05] fwiw, brice posted a summary at http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/12340.html [11:05] composite by default, EXA performance, smooth GUI booting (minimize monitor resets durning startup), improved fast user switching, oops on X support, and some stuff around DRM [11:07] jcristau: strange, haven't seen that on p.d.o [11:07] jcristau, ah, yeah I missed that talk [11:07] but reading now [11:08] it's cool for us not able to attend to have some notes on what happens in cambridge :) [11:09] like kyle swimming in the cam [11:09] I took pretty detailed (hand written) notes; I can work on getting them typed up if you're interested [11:10] I sure am [11:10] ah yeah; they went punting and apparently he decided he'd be better at poling than mjg, but while he was standing up someone rocked the boat and he fell in [11:11] he said he swallowed some of the (stagnant) water and now is hypochondriacing himself various life threatening illnesses [11:11] heh [11:11] ouch [11:11] i'm sure enough beer will help him forget about that water ;) [11:12] "mo' bubbles" [11:12] or pimms [11:13] that reminds me.. the tax-free shops at heathrow are great, free samples of whiskies and pimms if you like :) [11:13] yeah last night we went for drinks; they'd paid 1000 pounds but we only managed to drink 600 pounds worth, even after a round of double shots of tequilla [11:13] yeah and a round of pimms... wtf?? [11:14] heh, no wonder some of the notes are a bit hard to read ;) [11:15] haha [11:15] that sounds like a fun event [11:15] bryce_: compsite-by-default was on the agenda? [11:16] composite is on by default in 1.4 [11:17] ooh, so TTM could get in 2.6.24 [11:17] mvo, composite-by-default was on RedHat's current projects list [11:18] mvo, xorg in general I think is neutral on whether it's on by default [11:18] oh, you mean composite-by-default as in compiz-by-default [11:18] I think that's what was meant [11:19] their slides said "composite-by-default" [11:19] yeah, sorry [11:25] oh and btw, we now have a ubuntu-x@ mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x [11:25] yeah [11:25] saw that one :) [11:26] I expect we'll be able to use it for ubuntu-specific X development/packaging/testing discussions [11:26] I like how the ubuntu forum for X testing is resulting, but I'm much more a mailing list sorta guy ;-) [11:26] me too [11:27] so I figure now we'll have all bases covered [11:27] forums need a browser, I just use screen with irc&alpine [11:29] oh hey I had a question [11:30] I was having dinner with Matthew Timmerman from AMD, and he asked about how to "de-blacklist fglrx" [11:30] I wasn't sure what he meant by that - does this make sense for either of you? [11:31] did xserver conflict with it some time ago? [11:31] i added a conflict in the 1.3 timeframe, and then took it out when fglrx got fixed [11:32] but i don't think that ever got into ubuntu [11:32] actually, it is :) [11:32] hmm, was that done in xorg or xorg-server? [11:32] xorg-server [11:32] but versions (<< 8.37.6) [11:32] ahh, so perhaps that's it [11:32] ah, right [11:32] but that should be right [11:32] ok so it could be already fixed? [11:33] they have 8.4x already [11:33] earlier versions didn't like the 'X.Org version 1.3' output from Xorg [11:33] hah [11:34] gutsy has 8.37.6 [11:34] mm, but (<<) means that should be installable [11:34] yeah you should be ok [11:34] ok cool [11:35] oh, and have either of you played much with xvfb? sounds like it could be handy for headless testing [11:36] i never used it [11:36] I haven't [11:37] I'm thinking about trying it out - I notice the X test suite makes use of it so I'm curious how actually relevant it is. [11:46] ok I filed the UVF request.. it's still missing some required information and I'll add those in the morning [11:46] cool [11:48] bah, we have way too many input drivers. [11:48] indeed [11:50] New bug: #138987 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[UVF] new version, 6.7.192 + fixes from git master" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138987 [12:11] ok, running my latest ati package at last.. and it works just fine even with compiz [12:12] increasing the resolution was what made it look funny [12:13] but restarting the session cleared that up [12:14] cool [12:14] I'm about 50% done typing in notes [12:15] and I'm 100% ripe for bed :) [12:15] I'm at least 80% ripe [12:15] I'm going to see if I can finish [12:15] so see you tomorrow! -> [12:15] cya!