[01:15] <ubotu> New bug: #138774 in xorg-server (main) "[patch]  XGrabKey allows several grabs on the same key by the same client" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138774
[09:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126996 in openoffice.org2 (main) "Clicking on File menu completely freezes X.org (dup-of: 113679)" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126996
[10:45] <ubotu> New bug: #138826 in xorg (main) "[gutsy]  since last update of xorg mouse is in slow motion or too fast to see" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138826
[11:40] <ubotu> New bug: #44981 in xserver-xorg-video-vesa (main) "Dapper: Vesa driver not working under AMD64" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/44981
[04:50] <ubotu> New bug: #138899 in xserver-xorg-driver-ati (main) "On current Gutsy LiveCD X won't start on Ati x200m" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138899
[10:03] <tormod> are we getting ati 6.7.192 in gutsy soon?
[10:08] <tepsipakki> actually, I'm having issues with it ;)
[10:16] <tormod> since when?
[10:16] <tormod> since 6.6.193 or something newer?
[10:16] <tepsipakki> since I realized it was the newer driver and not my experimental mesa/xserver builds
[10:17] <tepsipakki> not that it matters much though, but compiz doesn't work with it correctly OOTB
[10:17] <tormod> aha dogfood ;)
[10:18] <tepsipakki> I'm now running what ubuntu provides, and need to find a workaround
[10:18] <tepsipakki> only a part of the screen is refreshed
[10:18] <tormod> did you try 6.6.193?
[10:18] <tepsipakki> that works, running it now
[10:19] <tormod> did any others testers see this?
[10:20] <tepsipakki> no, I guess no-one has r200
[10:21] <tepsipakki> goddamnit I hate the compiz feature that slides other windows past the one you clicked
[10:21] <tepsipakki> can't find how to disable that
[10:27] <bryce_> heya
[10:27] <tepsipakki> bryce_: hey
[10:28] <bryce_> tepsipakki, hey we're both awake :-)
[10:28] <tepsipakki> bryce_: have you done an UVF request for -ati already, or should I do that?
[10:28] <bryce_> please go ahead and do that
[10:28] <bryce_> wireless has been extremely unreliable at XDS
[10:29] <bryce_> daniels finally just went and bought an AP and connected it up to a wired port we found, and things seem working now
[10:29] <tepsipakki> bryce_: ok, about time for that. I have some small issues but hopefully I'll find workarounds
[10:31] <bryce_> ok cool
[10:31] <bryce_> I've been hanging around with alex
[10:32] <bryce_> he says there are 3 fixes in git that are pretty important
[10:32] <tepsipakki> I have that one packaged, but not tested it myself yet
[10:32] <tepsipakki> git master that is
[10:32] <bryce_> he thinks he'll be doing a release (probably .193 but maybe 6.8.0) in a week or two
[10:32] <tepsipakki> sweet
[10:34] <bryce_> I let him know about the testers we've been encouraging to send bug reports his way, and he did remark that he's seen a huge upswing in feedback, which he really appreciates
[10:35] <tepsipakki> that's good
[10:37] <bryce_> so I think 192 plus the fixes you backported should definitely uvfe'd for now.  Then if .193 or whatever comes late, we'll be able to at least backport any critical fixes
[10:39] <tepsipakki> yep
[10:46] <tepsipakki> hmm, do we have a list of regressions in 6.6.193 that 6.7.x should fix?
[10:48] <bryce_> I have a trimmed down changelog of 6.6.193 here:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/XorgRecentChanges
[10:48] <bryce_> but not for 6.7.x yet
[10:53] <bryce_> tepsipakki, the developer of this gave a demo today; it was extremely cool:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=olWjnfBoY8E
[10:56] <bryce_> it's also cool to see just how many of the x developers run ubuntu :-)
[10:56] <mvo> bryce_: is there a decision on 1.4/new nvidia yet? so that I can plan what to do with nvidia and compiz :) ?
[10:56] <bryce_> we're not doing xserver 1.4
[10:57] <bryce_> benc (iirc) uploaded a new -nvidia 100.14.11 a week or two ago; I wasn't planning on any further changes...
[10:58] <bryce_> mvo, regarding the patch 132, I've appraised the UME folks about it and let them know that it's causing breakage in compiz, but so far no response
[10:58] <mvo> ok
[10:58] <bryce_> mvo, I'd like to know for certain whether they are going to baseline on Feisty or bump to Gutsy
[10:58] <mvo> that may mean that we have to blacklist nvidia in compiz it for gutsy
[10:59] <bryce_> if the latter, then the problem goes away - we can just drop 132 with no regrets
[10:59] <bryce_> I think that'd be fine
[10:59] <mvo> its not urgent, just something that needs to be sorted before beta
[11:00] <bryce_> yeah I am planning on taking a deeper look after I get back from XDS
[11:00] <tepsipakki> bryce_: no-one from nvidia at XDS? I've heard that there was a new driver coming some time soon
[11:00] <bryce_> maybe there's some way to conditionalize based on whether -psb is in use
[11:00] <bryce_> nope, no one from nvidia, not even aaronp
[11:01] <tepsipakki> ok
[11:01] <tepsipakki> MPX is nice.. should get in for 7.4
[11:02] <bryce_> maybe
[11:02] <bryce_> sounds like there are going to be tons and tons of issues getting apps to grab focus correctly when there are multiple pointers
[11:04] <bryce_> RedHat presented what they'll be working on:  
[11:04] <tepsipakki> I was just about to ask about that :)
[11:05] <jcristau> fwiw, brice posted a summary at http://bgoglin.livejournal.com/12340.html
[11:05] <bryce_> composite by default, EXA performance, smooth GUI booting (minimize monitor resets durning startup), improved fast user switching, oops on X support, and some stuff around DRM
[11:07] <tepsipakki> jcristau: strange, haven't seen that on p.d.o
[11:07] <bryce_> jcristau, ah, yeah I missed that talk
[11:07] <tepsipakki> but reading now
[11:08] <jcristau> it's cool for us not able to attend to have some notes on what happens in cambridge :)
[11:09] <jcristau> like kyle swimming in the cam
[11:09] <bryce_> I took pretty detailed (hand written) notes; I can work on getting them typed up if you're interested
[11:10] <tepsipakki> I sure am
[11:10] <bryce_> ah yeah; they went punting and apparently he decided he'd be better at poling than mjg, but while he was standing up someone rocked the boat and he fell in
[11:11] <bryce_> he said he swallowed some of the (stagnant) water and now is hypochondriacing himself various life threatening illnesses
[11:11] <jcristau> heh
[11:11] <tepsipakki> ouch
[11:11] <jcristau> i'm sure enough beer will help him forget about that water ;)
[11:12] <tepsipakki> "mo' bubbles"
[11:12] <jcristau> or pimms
[11:13] <tepsipakki> that reminds me.. the tax-free shops at heathrow are great, free samples of whiskies and pimms if you like :)
[11:13] <bryce_> yeah last night we went for drinks; they'd paid 1000 pounds but we only managed to drink 600 pounds worth, even after a round of double shots of tequilla
[11:13] <bryce_> yeah and a round of pimms... wtf??
[11:14] <tepsipakki> heh, no wonder some of the notes are a bit hard to read ;)
[11:15] <mvo> haha
[11:15] <mvo> that sounds like a fun event
[11:15] <mvo> bryce_: compsite-by-default was on the agenda?
[11:16] <jcristau> composite is on by default in 1.4
[11:17] <tepsipakki> ooh, so TTM could get in 2.6.24
[11:17] <bryce_> mvo, composite-by-default was on RedHat's current projects list
[11:18] <bryce_> mvo, xorg in general I think is neutral on whether it's on by default
[11:18] <jcristau> oh, you mean composite-by-default as in compiz-by-default
[11:18] <bryce_> I think that's what was meant
[11:19] <bryce_> their slides said "composite-by-default"
[11:19] <jcristau> yeah, sorry
[11:25] <bryce_> oh and btw, we now have a ubuntu-x@ mailing list - https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-x
[11:25] <tepsipakki> yeah
[11:25] <tepsipakki> saw that one :)
[11:26] <bryce_> I expect we'll be able to use it for ubuntu-specific X development/packaging/testing discussions
[11:26] <bryce_> I like how the ubuntu forum for X testing is resulting, but I'm much more a mailing list sorta guy ;-)
[11:26] <tepsipakki> me too
[11:27] <bryce_> so I figure now we'll have all bases covered
[11:27] <tepsipakki> forums need a browser, I just use screen with irc&alpine
[11:29] <bryce_> oh hey I had a question
[11:30] <bryce_> I was having dinner with Matthew Timmerman from AMD, and he asked about how to "de-blacklist fglrx"
[11:30] <bryce_> I wasn't sure what he meant by that - does this make sense for either of you?
[11:31] <tepsipakki> did xserver conflict with it some time ago?
[11:31] <jcristau> i added a conflict in the 1.3 timeframe, and then took it out when fglrx got fixed
[11:32] <jcristau> but i don't think that ever got into ubuntu
[11:32] <tepsipakki> actually, it is :)
[11:32] <bryce_> hmm, was that done in xorg or xorg-server?
[11:32] <jcristau> xorg-server
[11:32] <tepsipakki> but versions (<< 8.37.6)
[11:32] <bryce_> ahh, so perhaps that's it
[11:32] <jcristau> ah, right
[11:32] <tepsipakki> but that should be right
[11:32] <bryce_> ok so it could be already fixed?
[11:33] <tepsipakki> they have 8.4x already
[11:33] <jcristau> earlier versions didn't like the 'X.Org version 1.3' output from Xorg
[11:33] <tepsipakki> hah
[11:34] <tepsipakki> gutsy has 8.37.6
[11:34] <tepsipakki> mm, but (<<) means that should be installable
[11:34] <jcristau> yeah you should be ok
[11:34] <bryce_> ok cool
[11:35] <bryce_> oh, and have either of you played much with xvfb?  sounds like it could be handy for headless testing
[11:36] <jcristau> i never used it
[11:36] <tepsipakki> I haven't
[11:37] <bryce_> I'm thinking about trying it out - I notice the X test suite makes use of it so I'm curious how actually relevant it is.  
[11:46] <tepsipakki> ok I filed the UVF request.. it's still missing some required information and I'll add those in the morning
[11:46] <bryce_> cool
[11:48] <jcristau> bah, we have way too many input drivers.
[11:48] <tepsipakki> indeed
[11:50] <Ubotu> New bug: #138987 in xserver-xorg-video-ati (main) "[UVF]  new version, 6.7.192 + fixes from git master" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138987
[12:11] <tepsipakki> ok, running my latest ati package at last.. and it works just fine even with compiz
[12:12] <tepsipakki> increasing the resolution was what made it look funny
[12:13] <tepsipakki> but restarting the session cleared that up
[12:14] <bryce_> cool
[12:14] <bryce_> I'm about 50% done typing in notes
[12:15] <tepsipakki> and I'm 100% ripe for bed :)
[12:15] <bryce_> I'm at least 80% ripe
[12:15] <bryce_> I'm going to see if I can finish
[12:15] <tepsipakki> so see you tomorrow! ->
[12:15] <bryce_> cya!