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[12:45] <mhb> it's empty here without jr
[12:57] <ryanakca> yeah
[12:59] <ScottK> mhb: How's the package coming?
[01:00] <Tm_T> where's sir?
[01:00] <ScottK> Vacation.
[01:03] <Tm_T> nice, really jumpy net I got today
[01:03] <Tm_T> ScottK: aah, he really deserves it, but what he do in vacation if not irc?!
[01:10] <mhb> ScottK: ah, yes, the package, right away
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[03:08] <Tm_T> Jucato: if he asks, I'm not there ;-P
[03:08] <Jucato> xp_killer/nicio?
[03:08] <Tm_T> yup =)
[03:08] <Jucato> hehe ok
[03:09] <Tm_T> I should wake up to school in, err, 2 hours
[03:09] <Tm_T> yikes
[03:09] <Jucato> yay!!!
[03:09] <Jucato> good night hehehe
[03:12] <LongPointyStick> bad Tm_T!
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[03:13] <Tm_T> LongPointyStick: bad?
[03:16] <LongPointyStick> Tm_T: for not sleeping
[03:17] <Tm_T> well its not my choice to be awake
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[05:53] <nixternal> OK, who added the nice green line over the KMail composer window that says "Message will signed"?
[05:53] <nixternal> hehe, just a slight typo :)
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[09:36] <_StefanS_> morning
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[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you therE?
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[10:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I am
[10:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: found how to trace the issue
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: oh ? :)
[10:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strace kcmshell kcm_btpaired
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm kinda bugged that we cant get it fixed..
[10:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hu ?
[10:07] <_StefanS_> oh,. nice. I suspected the issue was about bluez-utils actually
[10:08] <_StefanS_> segfault and the Always Accept thingy for the bt mice
[10:08] <_StefanS_> ^ those two issues
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to what I've seen, it's like a font is non availableresource or something, I'm unsure
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect you should be able to understand the problem with gdb
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tried that aswell..
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but as long as you start it via kcmshell, you should be able to trace the issue
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho you did ? and nothing came along with this ?
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it all crashes in the dbus->bluez call
[10:10] <Tonio_> hum.........
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but there are so many dbus-> bluez call that work, strange.....
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well this morning i saw that the changelog for bluez-utils fixed a SEGFAULT, so I hoped that was it.
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho, eventually that would be nice
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but sadly it didnt.
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but why is there a dbus call on click ?
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it tries to lookup the pairing of that device
[10:11] <Tonio_> doesn make sense, te click is just supposed to select the line, and right click to display options.....
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki makes sense now.......
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well we can investigate on the bluez part then
[10:11] <_StefanS_> so there was a rightclick menu at one time?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> yes.. I have to recompile that whole deal with debug and trace the whole path
[10:12] <_StefanS_> I checked out the dbusfilter / wrapper in kdebluetooth, and I cant find any evidence that it causes the crash; however the lookup works from a konsole using dbus-send <args> ..
[10:12] <_StefanS_> freaking wierd!
[10:13] <_StefanS_> tuff one indeed..
[10:13] <_StefanS_> strace give me nothing useful it seems
[10:13] <_StefanS_> I gotta write up some system requirements for db2 on linux, then I can probably have a look again
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[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ;)
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[10:53] <hunger> Why is does tracker keep getting started in my KDE session?
[11:00] <_StefanS_> hunger: sorry, I dont know that.
[11:00] <_StefanS_> hunger: maybe Hobbsee knows
[11:01] <Hobbsee> tracker?  why do you even have it installed?
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[11:01] <hunger> Hobbsee: Because ubuntu-desktop depends on it.
[11:01] <Hobbsee> oh, i thought it would recommend it
[11:01] <Hobbsee> and you can remove u-d
[11:02] <hunger> Hobbsee: So did I. Till apt said it will deinstall half the system when I remove tracker.
[11:04] <hunger> At least network-manager can go without too much hassle.
[11:04] <Hobbsee> hunger: gutsy?
[11:04] <Hobbsee> it's a recommends.
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[11:10] <hunger> Hobbsee: Removing u-d is ugly as I won't automatically get any new gnome stuff installed anymore.
[11:10] <Hobbsee> hunger: it's not a depends, though
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[11:11] <hunger> Hobbsee: One of the tracker UIs is IIRC and that in turn depends on tracker.
[11:11] <viviersf> Riddell-awa, ping
[11:11] <Hobbsee> iirc?
[11:12] <hunger> Oh, nice, you are shipping the kontact enterprise branch:-)
[11:13] <Hobbsee> hm..  they're all in recommends, or not named tracker.
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[11:14] <hunger> There is a new version out since monday evening by the way:-)
[11:17] <Hobbsee> [19:13]  <Hobbsee> hm..  they're all in recommends, or not named tracker.
[11:18] <hunger> Well, I just removed u-d... I can always reinstall it when I need to look at gnome next time.
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[11:29] <Jucato> O.o
[11:33] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato
[11:33] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[11:33] <_StefanS_> you old Shaolin monk.
[11:33] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:33] <Jucato> hahaha
[11:33] <Jucato> if I'm old... what would you be? :P
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[11:36] <_StefanS_> ah well, I'm just a senior citizin compared to you
[11:36] <_StefanS_> almost 30..
[11:36] <Jucato> hahah! I'm just 6 years shy of 30 :P
[11:36] <Jucato> so that makes us both old :D
[11:38] <_StefanS_> yes I guess so :)
[11:40] <Jucato> yay! Linspire people/creators/leaders are really... unique. :)
[11:40] <Jucato> introducing AjaxWindows hehehe
[11:40] <_StefanS_> oh jeez..
[11:40] <_StefanS_> what did linspire ever do to linux..
[11:40] <_StefanS_> not much imho.
[11:41] <Jucato> heh
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: nice menu for dolphin btw
[11:41] <Jucato> thanks :)
[11:41] <_StefanS_> Jucato: works fine for basic stuff like you said
[11:41] <Jucato> my only problem now is getting it into upstream... I don't know what magic Riddell-awa(y?) did to make it build on Kubuntu
[11:42] <Jucato> I can't make it build using plain configure && make using upstream sources :(
[11:42] <_StefanS_> err did you checkout admin stuff for kde?
[11:42] <_StefanS_> think that is needed.
[11:42] <_StefanS_> is/its
[11:42] <Jucato> not if it's not from kde svn
[11:42] <Jucato> d3lphin isn't in kde officially
[11:43] <_StefanS_> no thats right..
[11:43] <_StefanS_> well it does use admin like kde normally.
[11:43] <_StefanS_> just checked it
[11:43] <Jucato> so basically I didn't need kde-common/admin. it has it's own
[11:43] <_StefanS_> well ok
[11:43] <Jucato> I'm just getting the same linking errors
[11:44] <Jucato> basically it's thanks to my ignorance of automake and friends obviously :)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> well if its just your service menu, you can just drop in the file in src/servicemenus and and include it in Makefile.am
[11:45] <_StefanS_> then it should just build it
[11:45] <_StefanS_> er I mean upstream can just build it
[11:45] <Jucato> oh yeah the service menu is ok.
[11:45] <_StefanS_> oh ?
[11:45] <_StefanS_> what else?
[11:45] <Jucato> I was worrying about the Trash stuff I added :)
[11:45] <_StefanS_> ah ..
[11:45] <_StefanS_>  in the cpp you mean?
[11:46] <Jucato> yeah.
[11:46] <_StefanS_> let me try to build it then.
[11:46] <Jucato> er no. I added the #include, but it requires a new lib, libkonq
[11:46] <_StefanS_> from the original page
[11:47] <_StefanS_> yes? but its just libkonq4
[11:47] <_StefanS_> and -dev
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[11:47] <Jucato> and I don't know which make-related file to edit to tell the build system that it should look for libkonq. Riddell told me to add -lkonq in src/Makefile.am but that didn't work  out right
[11:47] <Jucato> yep, libkonq4-dev
[11:47] <_StefanS_> ah ok..
[11:47] <_StefanS_> I get it.
[11:47] <_StefanS_> lemme check
[11:47] <Jucato> heh thanks
[11:47] <Jucato> just wanted to be able to push this thing upstream too :)
=== Jucato wonders how we do that in *buntu btw
[11:49] <Jucato> you would think configure, make, make install is soooo easy.. wait till you try to be a developer heheh
[11:49] <_StefanS_> I suspect that debuild figures something like -llibkonq out for itself, gotta see what it does
[11:50] <Jucato> yeah debuild binary works perfectly
[11:50] <Jucato> but pbuilder encountered the same linking errors I'm encountering when manually compiling it. Riddell did some magic to make it work...
[11:51] <_StefanS_> uhm I see that -lkonq thingy
[11:51] <_StefanS_> let me check with original source
[11:52] <Jucato> yeah I added that -lkonq in src/Makefile.am per Riddell's guidance
[11:53] <_StefanS_> ah..
[11:53] <_StefanS_> well you need to re-generate the Makefiles then :)
[11:54] <Jucato> that simple? how do I do that? hehehe
[11:54] <_StefanS_> do_make
[11:54] <_StefanS_> err wait
[11:55] <_StefanS_> make -f admin/Makefile.common
[11:55] <_StefanS_> that should regenerate the all the files
[11:55] <_StefanS_> try it, I will be out for 30mins. Lets talk afterwards
[11:56] <Jucato> ok thanks :)
[11:57] <_StefanS_> it runs automake and autoconf, and god knows what else. But it should work.
[11:57] <Jucato> thanks
[11:57] <Jucato> it pays to know autohell I guess :)
[12:01] <Jucato> me runs make again and hopes... but takes a shower first
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[12:11] <Jucato> _StefanS_: you are my hero!!! :)
[12:12] <_StefanS_> works?? :)
[12:12] <Jucato> purrrfectly :)
[12:13] <_StefanS_> usually make -f debian/rules buildprep does the same for deb'ed sources
[12:13] <_StefanS_> great !
[12:13] <Jucato> oh yeah that one Riddell taught me too
[12:13] <Jucato> but not this make -f admin/Makefile.common :)
[12:13] <Jucato> I guess debuild or something does all that automatically?
[12:14] <_StefanS_> yes it does
[12:14] <Jucato> pfft...
[12:14] <_StefanS_> I think you have to adapt it to do it though.. as part of the packaging
[12:14] <Jucato> silly debian packaging protecting me from all these
[12:14] <_StefanS_> :D
[12:14] <Jucato> although I'm perplexed why debuild works, but not pbuilder... oh well
[12:15] <Jucato> thank you, thank you, thank you! :)
[12:15] <_StefanS_> Jucato: yes but pbuilder is more unsubjective as it does a full system build (so I was told)
[12:15] <Jucato> so my patch really works... only my brain doesn't heheh
[12:15] <_StefanS_> heh
[12:15] <_StefanS_> argh gotta do some boring work.
[12:16] <Jucato> gotta do some boring reviewing :)
[12:16] <Jucato> so that I can do more boring heavy studying :)
[12:17] <_StefanS_> hehe
[12:17] <_StefanS_> thats the way things are.
[12:17] <Jucato> very much :)
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[12:18] <Jucato> hard to be studying from scratch at a time when big switches are happening... KDE 3 to 4, automake to cmake...
[12:18] <_StefanS_> great.. dolphin detail view doesn't react to font sizes
[12:19] <_StefanS_> only icon view does
=== Jucato thought Riddell was going to make Previews the default view mode..
[12:20] <_StefanS_> I thought the Up button was going to be there default aswell.
[12:20] <Jucato> heh :)
[12:21] <_StefanS_> oh well
[12:21] <_StefanS_> nothing is perfect
[12:21] <Jucato> "that's the way things are" :)
[12:21] <_StefanS_> I just bought a new motherboard and a DVI-KVM switch.. time for some serious image quality
[12:21] <Jucato> oh wait, it is Previews :)
[12:21] <Jucato> I just needed to mv d3lphinrc :P
[12:22] <_StefanS_> heh
[12:23] <_StefanS_> oh the fontsizes was also wrong because of my rc file
[12:23] <_StefanS_> works now
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[12:23] <Jucato> hehe
[12:23] <Jucato> silly rc files :)
[12:24] <_StefanS_> yes
[12:31] <Jucato> yay dinner!
[12:31] <Jucato> thanks again _StefanS_!! :)
[12:31] <_StefanS_> no probs
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[01:16] <ryanakca> Jucato: hmm... do you have a list of all the ServiceTypes? Or a page documenting the creation of those .desktop files?
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[02:00] <Jucato> ryanakca: sorry I was having dinner. the ServiceTypes are the same as MIME types afaik. except that I think dolphin/d3lphin has trouble accepting the all/all type
[02:00] <Jucato> http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Tutorials/Creating_Konqueror_Service_Menus
[02:02] <Jucato> I'd have to check with the current Dolphin if it still has this problem
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[04:33] <Vaelen> It looks like acroread is missing in the current devel apt repository.  The package is there, but is empty.  Am I missing something obvious?
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[04:34] <bddebian> Heya
[04:36] <Hobbsee> Vaelen: it shouldnt be there at all.
[04:36] <Hobbsee> (non-redistributable)
[04:36] <Vaelen> Ok, that makes sense.  Is there an 'official' way to install non-redistributable stuff?
[04:37] <Vaelen> Or should I just grab it from adobe?
[04:38] <Hobbsee> adobe, really.  i think medibuntu is still distributing it ( but i've got no idea how *that's* legal)
[04:39] <Vaelen> Ok, cool.  Thanks. :)
[04:39] <Vaelen> Hey, on a side note...
[04:39] <Vaelen> (Since I've got you anyway)'
[04:40] <Vaelen> A week or two ago there was discussion in here about needing a replacement for Adept.
[04:40] <Vaelen> But people were saying that nobody had wanted to tackle it.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> where was teh discussion?
[04:40] <Hobbsee> k-u?
[04:40] <Vaelen> This channel.
[04:40] <Hobbsee> oh right
[04:41] <Vaelen> I was wondering what sort of features people were looking for, or what they wanted different from Adept.
[04:41] <Vaelen> (Because I don't know the history of why they don't like Adept.)
[04:42] <Hobbsee> to make it more like synaptic, i think
[04:42] <Vaelen> Ok.  I haven't used that (although I know what it is), I'll grab it and give it a try and see how it differs.
[04:43] <Vaelen> I also remember something about wanting a standard base with a pluggable gui so that there could be one tool for all of the ubuntu builds, just with different guis on it.
[04:44] <Hobbsee> that would be nice
[04:44] <Vaelen> I thought I'd take a stab at it.  Though I can't devote loads of time to it right now, I can certainly mess with it some at least.
[04:44] <Vaelen> They metioned something about a python apt library.  Do you know what they meant?
[04:45] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: knows more than i do.  but there's a package called python-apt
[04:45] <manchicken_> What do I know?
[04:46] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: about adept
[04:47] <hunger> Is there spam protection in standard kubuntu?
[04:47] <manchicken_> Vaelen: I would actually advise against coming up with something that massive on your own.  There are some great folks involved in the package management software involved in all of Ubuntudom that you should probably try to get onboard before attempting such a feat.
[04:47] <Hobbsee> hunger: in kmail?  i think so
[04:47] <manchicken_> Vaelen: mvo and Riddell being at the top of that list.
[04:47] <hunger> Hobbsee: Hmmm... I guess I have overridden it then:-(
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[04:48] <Hobbsee> well, play with apt some more
[04:48] <Vaelen> Ok, should I just shoot them an email then?
[04:48] <manchicken_> Vaelen: I would try to see if you could put your item on a meeting agenda, actually.
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[04:49] <manchicken_> I know mhb is also interested in seeing some change in the package management, and as a minimal maintainer of Adept I wouldn't mind seeing some changes for the better either.
[04:49] <Vaelen> Just add it to the wiki for the next meeting agenda?
[04:49] <manchicken_> A change to the package manager seems to be the sort of thing you want some community buy-in and input before doing.
[04:50] <rivo> hi, can anyone tell me what's causing bug #139022? packaging? launchpad problem?
[04:50] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 139022 in dolphin "d3lphin estonian translations missing" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139022
[04:50] <Vaelen> I'm just looking for a way to help out, and my strongpoint is usually in coding.  I overheard the conversation about Adept a while back and thought that I might be able to help there. :)
[04:50] <manchicken_> Vaelen: That's what I'd do.
[04:50] <manchicken_> Vaelen: Well Adept is currently in C++ using STL, Qt3, and KDE3.
[04:51] <manchicken_> Vaelen: I hear that Qt4/KDE4 ports are already in the works.
[04:52] <manchicken_> Vaelen: I wouldn't be opposed to a Qt4/KDE4 Python manager as long as it performed reasonably well.
[04:52] <Vaelen> Ok.  I have some experience with QT4 already, but not with QT3, but I would assume that new stuff would be QT4. :)
[04:52] <manchicken_> I think that Qt4 actually has a way to just bind an object to a list view though these days.
[04:52] <manchicken_> Vaelen: Well, new is a relative term :)
[04:52] <Vaelen> Yeah, it does, although I haven't messed with it much yet.
[04:52] <manchicken_> Vaelen: If you've never done anything with Qt3 then it'll be new to you :)
[04:53] <Vaelen> haha, true
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[04:54] <Vaelen> When are the meetings usually held?
[04:54] <manchicken_> Hobbsee would know that better than I would.
[04:55] <Hobbsee> first wednesday or thursday of every month
[04:56] <Vaelen> Around what time, usually?
[04:57] <manchicken_> 2100UTC IIRC
[04:59] <Hobbsee> depends
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Vaelen: the australian tends to make the meeting times, as they block on her.
[04:59] <Hobbsee> Vaelen: where are you?
[04:59] <Vaelen> I'm not married to Python either, I had just heard other discussion of using it.  (My main languages are Java and Perl, actually.)
[04:59] <Vaelen> Austin, TX
[04:59] <Vaelen> USA
[04:59] <Vaelen> UTC-5 (or 6 depending on DST, which I hate)
[05:00] <Jucato> eeek! more like Synaptic? :) :/ :O
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Jucato: not gtk.  thank goodness
[05:02] <Hobbsee> Vaelen: right...
[05:03] <Jucato> yeah :)
[05:05] <Jucato> Hobbsee: although I received this comment (identity withheld) that Kubuntu is trying too much to match/copy/measure up to Ubuntu... so I just found that "like Synaptic" thing a bit ironic :)
[05:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:05] <Hobbsee> no, we'll take the good bits.
[05:05] <Jucato> that practically means removing anything GTK :)
[05:05] <Jucato> j/k heh
[05:06] <Jucato> Adept is just a wee bit scary right now... practically made up of 3 languages... Qt/KDE, Python, and STL :)
[05:07] <nixternal> oi oi
[05:07] <Jucato> yo
[05:07] <Jucato> oh crap!!!
[05:08] <nixternal> har
[05:08] <Jucato> I just ran cmakekde in cs (source) instead of cb (build)
[05:08] <nixternal> that is fun
[05:08] <nixternal> rm .
[05:08] <nixternal> svn up :)
[05:08] <Jucato> yeah :)
[05:08] <Jucato> gr...
[05:08] <nixternal> I do that quite often
[05:09] <nixternal> how is the svn looking for kde 4? beta 2 doesn't even come close to working for me
[05:09] <Jucato> oh btw... if you svn up qt-copy then ./apply-patches, do you need to run configure again, or straight make?
[05:09] <nixternal> you will need to run ./configure again just in case you deleted anything it may need
[05:10] <nixternal> safety precaution more than anything
[05:10] <Jucato> ah ok. so I was doing it correctly :)
[05:10] <nixternal> if it didn't need it, it should config fairly quickly
[05:10] <Jucato> well this will be the first time I svn up after beta 2, so let's see what will happen..
[05:10] <Jucato> I need to rebuild kwin with composite this time.. after I figure out how
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[05:11] <nixternal> I thought it was already there, you just have to enable it, which doesn't work all that great
[05:11] <Jucato> it needs to be built last time I tried to run it, even with my xorg.conf setup with Composite enabled
[05:12] <Jucato> I would run kwin manually and get the message that it wasn't built with composite
[05:12] <Jucato> I guess because I didn't have libxcomposite-dev installed that time?
[05:12] <nixternal> dunno truthfully, haven't messed with it really
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[05:14] <nixternal> hehe, what happened?
[05:15] <nixternal> hopefully I can get to work on the translation tab for kdelibs this week...it is looking good thus far
[05:15] <Jucato> just got blocked by the whole automake thing... C++ isn't enough
[05:16] <Jucato> looks like I'll have wrap my head around both cmake and automake soonish
[05:16] <Jucato> a translation tab other than the one currently in right now?
[05:17] <nixternal> well, adding a spot for LP translators in the current one
[05:17] <Jucato> aaah
[05:17] <Jucato> isn't kdelibs frozen yet?
[05:17] <Jucato> or will it be just our little secret? :)
[05:18] <nixternal> not for KDE 4, for KUbuntu
[05:18] <Jucato> aaah
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[05:33] <Jucato> hm... looks like the libpython-guidance bug still hasn't been fixed?
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[06:53] <manchicken_> How do we not have a lolcode interpreter available?
[06:53] <manchicken_> We're missing out on the premier language of the 21st centure.
[06:53] <manchicken_> century*
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[07:31] <mhb> evening
[07:32] <ScottK> evening mhb.
[07:32] <ScottK> How's kdebase?
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[07:53] <mhb> ScottK: well, I built the package this morning
[07:54] <ScottK> And?
[07:54] <ScottK> Give me a link and I'll try it out.
[07:54] <mhb> ScottK: yup
[08:00] <mhb> http://mhb.ath.cx/tmp/konsole_3.5.7-1ubuntu19_i386.deb
[08:00] <mhb> ScottK: ^^
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[08:00] <mhb> ScottK: by the way, is it possible to debuild just one package?
[08:00] <mhb> ScottK: binary package, that is
[08:01] <ScottK> mhb: Not without modifying the package extensively.
[08:02] <mhb> ScottK: okay
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[08:05] <ScottK> mhb: gd-test.py does NOT crash with out of memory.  YEAH!!!
[08:05] <ScottK> mhb: Congratulations.
[08:06] <mhb> ScottK: thanks, but it's not really the patch, it's just the revert
[08:06] <ScottK> OK.  Well one step at a time.
[08:06] <mhb> ScottK: yeah, I'll take a look at it and try to find the culprit in there.
[08:06] <ScottK> You've officially got it narrowed down then.
[08:08] <ScottK> mhb: BTW, when rolling your own test versions, it's generally better to use non-official version numbers that are lower than the next official version.  Something like ...ubuntu18~mhb1.
[08:08] <mhb> ScottK: yes, but that would mean I have to do more edits than just "debuild -nc -uc" and I am a lazy guy :o)
[08:09] <ScottK> mhb: Yes, but that would also mean less risk for the guy testing for you ...
[08:09] <mhb> ScottK: hmm, yes
[08:09] <mhb> sorry then
[08:10] <mhb> btw, I thought debuild builds the current version
[08:10] <ScottK> It builds whatever version debian/changelog says is current.
[08:10] <mhb> ScottK: yeah. But I didn't edit that, so perhaps your package is just outdated.
[08:10] <ScottK> I didn't look to see how that compares to what's current.
[08:11] <ScottK> I didn't check to see if you incremented the version.
[08:11] <mhb> I didn't
[08:11] <ScottK> In any case it's a good practice.
[08:11] <ScottK> OK.
[08:11] <ScottK> Now, for example, if your .deb caused a crash and apport reported it, there'd be no way to distinguish (other than the reporter saying so) that it was an unofficial verions.
[08:12] <ScottK> verions/version.
[08:12] <mhb> ah, okay.
[08:13] <ScottK> It's not a big deal for a small test like this, but good habits start in small things.
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[10:47] <manchicken> Do we have any good compiz or beryl support yet?
[10:47] <manchicken> I'm sad having this wonderful 3D card and not being able to do anything with it.
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[10:49] <mhb> manchicken: no, we don't
[10:50] <manchicken> That's sad.
[10:50] <manchicken> It makes me want to cry.
[10:50] <manchicken> Beryl actually worked under Feisyt.
[10:53] <mhb> manchicken: well, compiz works if you enable it using the GNOME's Desktop Effects
[10:53] <mhb> manchicken: but I don't think that will cheer you up
[10:53] <manchicken> Oh really?
[10:53] <manchicken> It might.
[10:53] <manchicken> I'm not anti-gnome.
[10:53] <manchicken> I'm just pro-KDE :)
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