CIA-18 | ubiquity: evand * r2226 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.5.15 | 12:30 |
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evand | bzr shelve is awesome! | 12:31 |
xivulon | what's that? | 12:37 |
evand | http://bazaar-vcs.org/BzrShelveExample | 12:37 |
xivulon | hmm I see | 12:50 |
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evand | cjwatson: As it stands in code that's about to be checked in, it's not possible to have a back button in automatic mode as any page we move over will answer all its questions, so there's nothing to go back to. | 03:04 |
evand | Is this acceptable, or would you prefer I made the code that checks for the seen flag backup aware? | 03:04 |
CIA-18 | ubiquity: evand * r2227 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/frontend/gtk_ui.py): * Fixed backup in the UI wrt the new page turning code. | 04:28 |
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cjwatson | evand: I think that's OK by me | 09:51 |
cjwatson | bzr shelve does indeed rock | 09:51 |
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tepsipakki | hi, tried to netboot gutsy, but grub-installer failed due to missing fdisk/sfdisk | 12:09 |
tepsipakki | although they are there | 12:10 |
cjwatson | I had another report of that ... | 12:10 |
tepsipakki | oh | 12:11 |
cjwatson | it's weird | 12:11 |
tepsipakki | yep, bug 138040 | 12:12 |
tepsipakki | but should fdisk/sfdisk be present on the busybox side? | 12:13 |
tepsipakki | they are in /target | 12:13 |
cjwatson | yes, fdisk-udeb should provide them | 12:17 |
cjwatson | I'm just syncing the code over from the old laptop | 12:17 |
cjwatson | oh | 12:18 |
cjwatson | lamont broke fdisk-udeb | 12:19 |
tepsipakki | heh | 12:19 |
cjwatson | tepsipakki: can you look in /var/lib/dpkg/status for me in the running installer, and check if fdisk-udeb is installed? | 12:26 |
tepsipakki | yep, it is | 12:31 |
cjwatson | ok, good | 12:31 |
cjwatson | I reassigned the bug to util-linux | 12:31 |
cjwatson | and prodded lamont about it on IRC | 12:31 |
tepsipakki | Installed-Size: 16 | 12:31 |
cjwatson | it has /usr and /usr/sbin, nothing else | 12:32 |
tepsipakki | right.. | 12:32 |
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pj_og | Hi! I installed the ubuntu-server, but the base system doesn't boot. I have no idea why. I can boot memtest86+, but trying one of the kernels results only in a "reset". What now? The installation itself went absolutely smooth no error or so. But then rebooting doesn't work. I even have no idea how to debug such a thing since there are no messages. Any ideas anybody? | 01:08 |
pj_og | or if this is not the correct channel for this question, where would it be? | 01:12 |
cjwatson | #ubuntu-kernel is probably better if the server kernel isn't managing to boot | 01:13 |
cjwatson | sounds like the generic kernel used in the installer is working fine, but the server kernel used after boot isn't | 01:13 |
cjwatson | (normally the two kernels are the same, but in the server install they aren't necessarily) | 01:14 |
pj_og | ok. thank you. | 01:14 |
cjwatson | xivulon: if you already had a wubi entry in the grub4dos configuration, running wubi again adds another one | 01:31 |
cjwatson | xivulon: maybe it should make sure that there's just one | 01:32 |
xivulon | cjwatson, I noticed that yesterday night, but it was too late for me to fix that. Also the menu name should be changed to "Ubuntu Linux" in the vista case. | 01:34 |
xivulon | If you complete the installation (disk images are created), that is not an issue (since you cannot just reinstall, you have to uninstall first) | 01:36 |
xivulon | Forcing to uninstall anytime is the quickest way to fix that | 01:38 |
cjwatson | yeah, I actually just removed the ubuntu folder :-) | 01:41 |
cjwatson | (wasn't sure if uninstall would work) | 01:41 |
xivulon | I cannot upload code, but it should be a one line fix: wubi/installer/installer.nsh -> remove the {if} block around InstallCompleted | 01:41 |
cjwatson | I found another bug in the automatic-ubiquity handling, which I'll fix after lunchh | 01:41 |
cjwatson | lunch | 01:41 |
cjwatson | unfortunately unionfs is too broken in gutsy at the moment for me to get any further | 01:41 |
xivulon | ${IF} $InstallCompleted == true | 01:45 |
xivulon | cjwatson, simpler fix for uninstallation: in pages/main.nsh remove the above if statement | 01:45 |
xivulon | leave the stuff in between | 01:45 |
xivulon | That will force you to uninstall if a previous installation is detected even if it wasn't completed. | 01:47 |
pj_og | Hi, I'm back. I did not resolve yet my boot problem, but now I think there might be an installer problem. | 01:48 |
pj_og | Maybe sbd is interested? | 01:49 |
cjwatson | pj_og: sure, but I'm about to go to lunch, so mention it and I'll get to it after I get back | 01:49 |
CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson@chiark.greenend.org.uk * rcjwatson@chiark.greenend.org.uk-20070912114801-ec22h8ue8sy9tpdh ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules ubiquity.postinst): * Start ubiquity init script at 29; don't bother stopping it. | 01:49 |
pj_og | ok. I managed to boot the generic kernel with grub, I just copied it over from the install CD | 01:49 |
cjwatson | urgh bogus bzr configuration | 01:50 |
pj_og | it kind of worked, but then there was a root disk problem or so, probably since the initrd didn't match really | 01:50 |
pj_og | so I think there might be some check which the installer might want to do to ensure that the installed kernel actually will work. | 01:50 |
cjwatson | it already tries. be more specific | 01:51 |
pj_og | sbd on kernel said that the server kernel probably assumes i686. I have a pentium MMX. I'm not sure, but it might be not enough. | 01:51 |
cjwatson | oh, that's fixed in gutsy | 01:51 |
cjwatson | it requires 686 for the server kernel now | 01:52 |
pj_og | of course, it could be another difference between the kernels. but with generic at least I get some messages, it starts to run. | 01:52 |
cjwatson | base-installer's checks were indeed incomplete for server in <=feisty | 01:52 |
pj_og | I'm using the installer CD for 7.04 server | 01:53 |
CIA-18 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r2228 ubiquity/debian/ (changelog rules ubiquity.postinst): * Start ubiquity init script at 29; don't bother stopping it. | 01:53 |
pj_og | I tried to locate the technical requirements for the server from the ubuntu.com webpage but didn't find it | 01:53 |
cjwatson | CIA> that's better | 01:53 |
cjwatson | right, no need to file a bug though since 7.10 will get that check right | 01:54 |
pj_og | ok. fine. and for my problem, I think doing an install with the normal CD might work? | 01:54 |
cjwatson | yep | 01:54 |
pj_og | or rather the alternate CD? | 01:54 |
cjwatson | it doesn't have the server kernel on it so won't try to se it | 01:54 |
cjwatson | use | 01:54 |
cjwatson | yes | 01:54 |
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pj_og | ok. thank you! | 01:55 |
pj_og | good lunch :-) | 01:55 |
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xivulon | cjwatson, I think that the double menu entry is due to the name change of Wubi, since the registry key also changed and the old one went undetected | 02:34 |
xivulon | You probably had the previous version (called Wubi installed) and then run the new version (called Ubuntu) | 02:36 |
xivulon | In normal circumstances if you run the installer multiple times you should only have a single menu entry | 02:37 |
xivulon | I think that the double menu entry is due to the name change of Wubi, since the registry key also changed and the old one went undetected | 02:37 |
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xivulon | The current behaviour is that if Wubi was installed but no disks where created, the installer is re-run without uninstaller first, so that you can for instance resume an interrupted download | 02:39 |
xivulon | If virtual disks have been created, you have to uninstall first before you can run the installer again | 02:40 |
xivulon | I think it is fine as it is | 02:41 |
xivulon | On second thought, it might be a good idea to always run uninstall on re-install and (optionally) backup partially downloaded files so that users can recover interrupted downloads | 02:59 |
cjwatson | xivulon: no, they were both called "Wubi Ubuntu" | 03:49 |
cjwatson | identical names visible in the menu | 03:49 |
xivulon | cjwatson, the "Wubi Ubuntu" is harcoded in wubibcd.exe (which is something I need to change), I am talking about the executable itself | 03:52 |
cjwatson | ah, didn't check that | 03:52 |
xivulon | Wubi-7.10-XYZ.exe vs Ubuntu-7.10-alpha.exe. | 03:52 |
cjwatson | right | 03:52 |
cjwatson | I'll check next time I reboot to Windows, thanks | 03:52 |
xivulon | The first one uses "Wubi" as registry key, the second one uses "Ubuntu" | 03:52 |
xivulon | The key should be under HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Uninstall\ | 03:54 |
xivulon | To undo the menu entry in vista manually, you have to get the boot menu ID stored in the registry, then run | 03:57 |
xivulon | bcedit.exe /delete $ID /f | 03:57 |
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cjwatson | ok, thanks | 04:05 |
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pj_og | After my n-th installation i now get a GRUB Error 18. What now? | 08:41 |
superm1_ | cjwatson, evand, the ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu text, is it available in rosetta already, or does someone have to manually push it up? | 09:39 |
evand | my understanding is that it has to be manually updated. | 09:40 |
superm1_ | well my files from ubiquity-frontend-mythbuntu.templates merged into the ubiquity source package's po files i believe | 09:41 |
superm1_ | so it will probably happen whenever ubiquity itself is added up there | 09:41 |
evand | indeed | 09:41 |
superm1_ | well i'll double check make sure that all of my stuff is accurate than in the english variant | 09:42 |
pj_og | My problems are solved. I have a working system now - after something like 10 installations with different methods and a lot of guesswork. :-/ | 10:02 |
evand | yikes, glad it's working for you now | 10:03 |
pj_og | Well, yes, after 2 days of installation. First it did install a kernel which doesn't work for the processor used for the installation, then it didn't tell about the BIOS HD limit (maybe it simply can't), but then when I tried to install with different partitions (to get the boot kernel to the beginning of the HD), it fucked up some installations (probably due to too small a partition or so,... | 10:18 |
pj_og | ...or for some other reasons). Well, it's fine now, anyway. | 10:18 |
pj_og | I'm not exactly happy now since it ate so much time, but on the other hand, I think I can move on now to get the content on the machine and put it back online. Ouff. | 10:21 |
pj_og | Other than these temporary problems, I'm really satisfied with (k)ubuntu. So thanks to any developers reading here, all those who make this project possible. | 10:26 |
bdmurray | evand: Is swap always formatted? | 10:57 |
evand | bdmurray: I believe so | 10:57 |
evand | I seem to recall it being dangerous not to | 10:57 |
evand | cjwatson: can you confirm? | 10:58 |
bdmurray | The prepare partitions screen does show the "Format?" checkbox as being checked though | 10:58 |
evand | whenever you return to IRC, that is | 10:58 |
evand | bdmurray: I don't follow. Are you saying that contradicts swap always being formatted? | 10:59 |
bdmurray | evand: I am saying that I did not check Format and it still tells me it is going to be formatted. | 10:59 |
evand | oh, hrm. File a bug, please. | 11:00 |
evand | at any rate the UI should be consistent | 11:00 |
bdmurray | Yeah. The fact that I am using Tribe 5 isn't relevant? | 11:01 |
evand | It shouldn't be. Partman hasn't been changed in the frontend following the tribe 5 release | 11:02 |
bdmurray | evand: it looks like bug 83166 - do you agree? | 11:06 |
evand | ah, indeed it does | 11:13 |
bdmurray | cool, as a stop gap couldn't the format box always be checked for swap? | 11:20 |
evand | bdmurray: indeed, though I'd like to discuss the options with cjwatson before resorting to that | 11:22 |
bdmurray | evand: okay, I'll leave it in your hands. :) | 11:23 |
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