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| highvoltage | @schedule | 11:36 |
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| Ubotu | Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Sep 20:00: Edubuntu | 13 Sep 12:00: Desktop Team Development | 17 Sep 12:00: IRC Council | 18 Sep 16:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 12:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 20:00: Xubuntu Developers | 11:36 |
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| Balkhog | @now | 12:17 |
| Ubotu | Current time in Etc/UTC: September 12 2007, 10:17:25 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 9 hours 42 minutes | 12:17 |
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| === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubotu] : Current meeting: Edubuntu | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Sep 12:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 17 Sep 12:00 UTC: IRC Council | 18 Sep 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | ||
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| === RichEd hands the mike to ogra : edubuntu-devel meeting | ||
| sbalneav | Hello all | 10:02 |
| ogra | i'm totally unprepared ... :) | 10:02 |
| stgraber | hello | 10:02 |
| RichEd | ogra ... wing it then :) | 10:02 |
| RichEd | hi stgraber | 10:02 |
| moquist | ogra: would it be out of place for me to say I have to run, but how's moodle, and is there anything more I should do with it right now? | 10:02 |
| ogra | gah, why dont we still have the new agenda on the wiki ... | 10:02 |
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| RichEd | ogra ... has it gone ? | 10:03 |
| ogra | moquist, go ahead | 10:03 |
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| ogra | RichEd, no, its still the old scheme | 10:03 |
| ogra | ah, no i'm blind | 10:03 |
| === RichEd wipes ollie's spectacles | ||
| ogra | (or cant read (working since 10am already ...)) | 10:04 |
| ogra | ok | 10:04 |
| ogra | # | 10:04 |
| ogra | Technical | 10:04 |
| ogra | * | 10:04 |
| ogra | Progress over past week | 10:04 |
| ogra | * | 10:04 |
| ogra | Issues/ Blocks | 10:04 |
| ogra | * | 10:04 |
| ogra | Planned Activities for coming week | 10:04 |
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| ogra | well, thin-client-manager was fixed, i solved some small issues with it and gutsies new ldm | 10:05 |
| ogra | so the userlist is shown again which wasnt the case since ldm2 was in | 10:05 |
| juliux | hi all | 10:05 |
| RichEd | hey juliux | 10:05 |
| ogra | i fixed the "share screen" function to pop up the share screen settings automatically if screen sharing isnt enabled on the teachers desktop | 10:06 |
| ogra | and fixed a small bug with the killing of apps where you had to kill them twice if they were started in shells | 10:06 |
| ogra | so thin-client-manager is ready to go so far, no regressions anymore | 10:06 |
| ogra | beyond that everybody cheer for sbalneav ... he's a machine ... and fixes bugs like mad in ltsp *alongside* with writing the new handbook issue | 10:07 |
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| ogra | i mean, i do all this for a living and cant cope with him who does it aside his job ... that really deserves a big thank you from every edubuntu user .... | 10:08 |
| sbalneav | heh | 10:08 |
| === sbalneav takes bow | ||
| ogra | so if you ever meet sbalneav in person and use edubuntu, dont forget you owe him at least one beer :) | 10:09 |
| sbalneav | I will, however, drink more if offered :) | 10:09 |
| ogra | hehe | 10:09 |
| juliux | hehe i ahve still some cz beer from jenda ;) | 10:09 |
| sbalneav | As ogra can testify to :) | 10:09 |
| ogra | juliux, no UDS for you ? | 10:09 |
| juliux | so sbalneav if you are one time in germany you get a cz beer form me that i get from jenda ;) | 10:09 |
| juliux | ogra, it is in the us;) | 10:09 |
| ogra | bah, you and your private policies ... | 10:10 |
| juliux | ogra, and i have to work | 10:10 |
| ogra | :) | 10:10 |
| ogra | anyway, lots of fixes, last week ... | 10:10 |
| juliux | i can t take 5 daies off during the first three month | 10:10 |
| ogra | sadly the installer progressbar stuff still has issues | 10:10 |
| sbalneav | I'm waiting for an ubuntu summit to be in Germany :) | 10:10 |
| juliux | sbalneav, +11111111111 | 10:10 |
| ogra | i hope todays upload fixed most of them, but i can only test with the next iso (tomorrow) | 10:11 |
| sbalneav | So, are we to the point where we should be iso testing? | 10:11 |
| sbalneav | I guess, to test the installer. | 10:11 |
| sbalneav | your mkfifo stuff | 10:11 |
| juliux | this time i also can test iso installation | 10:11 |
| ogra | yeah, but not before 20060913 | 10:12 |
| ogra | it wont be in the ones before | 10:12 |
| juliux | ok | 10:12 |
| juliux | could it be that you mean 20070913 ? | 10:12 |
| sbalneav | I'd be kind of hard at this point to test anything before 20060913 | 10:12 |
| ogra | oh, and you need a dvdrw or something | 10:12 |
| ogra | or an 800M CD | 10:12 |
| juliux | np | 10:12 |
| ogra | they are oversized | 10:12 |
| sbalneav | unless you got a time machine in your back pocket :) | 10:12 |
| ogra | (no clue if the kernel is proper atm, might be that stuff is out of sync, there was a linux-source upload ) | 10:13 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, what's up with the oversize? | 10:13 |
| sbalneav | what shot us up? | 10:13 |
| ogra | likely duplicated kernel packages or so | 10:13 |
| sbalneav | ah | 10:13 |
| ogra | its oversized, but the current 30M are nonsense | 10:14 |
| ogra | should be around 10 to 15M | 10:14 |
| juliux | should we test daily or daily-live ? | 10:14 |
| ogra | daily | 10:14 |
| juliux | ok | 10:14 |
| ogra | live doesnt have the d-i stuff for ltsp | 10:14 |
| juliux | ok | 10:14 |
| ogra | important is that the ltsp builds work right *and* show proper progess | 10:14 |
| juliux | i can test them | 10:14 |
| ogra | i fear that might keep me busy even after beta, but its worth it and long on my todo list | 10:15 |
| ogra | sso thats one of the current ongoing issues | 10:15 |
| ogra | (looking at the agenda ...) | 10:16 |
| ogra | well, more bugfixing is planned for next week indeed | 10:16 |
| ogra | we will hold another "fix it friday" | 10:16 |
| ogra | i'll have to get edubuntu-artwork done | 10:16 |
| RichEd | ogra: any more work needed by jill to tidy ? | 10:17 |
| ogra | well, ken added some comments about the colors, not sure if she wants to address them | 10:17 |
| ogra | if she doesnt i'm fine to go with what we have | 10:17 |
| RichEd | i'll mail her in the morning ... but i like it as is | 10:17 |
| === RichEd checks the comments | ||
| ogra | i'll adjust the rest (gdm/ldm colors etc) to match | 10:18 |
| ogra | and i'll have to find out why the menu doesnt show the edubuntu logo ... sigh | 10:18 |
| ogra | that hapens every release :/ | 10:18 |
| ogra | out of different reasons every time though | 10:18 |
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| ogra | so, thats about it for tech, please test ltsp (build chroots often and report bugs if you can) and if you can, drop by on friday in #edubuntu, we'll have a "fix it friday" :) | 10:20 |
| LaserJock | argg, am I late? | 10:20 |
| ogra | you just missed tech | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | :( | 10:21 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: you're in time to raise any issues | 10:21 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | not much here, rock on people!! | 10:21 |
| ogra | heh | 10:21 |
| ogra | any comments on moodle ? | 10:21 |
| === LaserJock cheerleads from the sidelines | ||
| LaserJock | I'm hoping to get that uploaded today | 10:21 |
| LaserJock | and edubuntu-docs within a day or two | 10:21 |
| ogra | thanks a lot for taking that ... really | 10:21 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: does it look like it will make it in ? | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | I just haven't had time to test properly | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: moodle? | 10:22 |
| ogra | that was an awesome job ... | 10:22 |
| RichEd | yessir\ | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | I don't see why not | 10:22 |
| === RichEd cheers w00t | ||
| LaserJock | I'll twist pitti's arm for the MIR | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | ;-) | 10:22 |
| ogra | \o/ | 10:22 |
| RichEd | a lot of people are waiting with baited breath | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | but so far the package works well | 10:22 |
| ogra | oh, right, now that i see LaserJock | 10:22 |
| LaserJock | moquist has done an amazing job | 10:23 |
| ogra | we had the sueak people from debian contacting us | 10:23 |
| === RichEd thanks LaserJock & Moquist ... and ogra for that | ||
| ogra | *squeak | 10:23 |
| ogra | they would love to get their package into ubuntu | 10:23 |
| ogra | and i think we should take it ... | 10:23 |
| ogra | LaserJock, you didnt say much after your initital mail | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I've been pretty busy ;-) | 10:24 |
| ogra | should we sync it in now instead of putting any more time into ours ? | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | well | 10:24 |
| ogra | appreas like the sanest decision to me | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | eventually | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I'm not sure what to do for gutsy | 10:24 |
| LaserJock | I don't know that we can get everything switched | 10:25 |
| LaserJock | but for sure for hardy | 10:25 |
| ogra | well, i havent had time to look at the replaces etc ... but the packages seem sane ... | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 10:26 |
| ogra | what i wanted *them* to do was to add xdg compliance | 10:26 |
| sbalneav | Can we do an UVFe? | 10:26 |
| ogra | but that seems to have failed miserably :) | 10:26 |
| ogra | at least according to the last answer ... :) | 10:26 |
| LaserJock | well, a UVFe on a whole new pacakging might be difficult | 10:26 |
| ogra | well | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | and there is more than just that | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | there are NEW pacakges involved I think | 10:27 |
| ogra | its a package that only contains binary blobs mainly | 10:27 |
| ogra | yeah, thats true | 10:27 |
| ogra | NEW is bad | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | in any case, I'd like to take a look | 10:27 |
| ogra | and they have versioned package names | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | perhaps we can replace our existing packages with theirs | 10:27 |
| LaserJock | and then for hardy get the NEW stuff | 10:27 |
| ogra | not right away | 10:28 |
| ogra | we'll need NEW in any case with their naming scheme | 10:28 |
| ogra | i didnt take that into account ... | 10:28 |
| ogra | guess we'll forget about gutsy then | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | well, I was thinking we could ... fix that ;-) | 10:28 |
| ogra | ah, well | 10:28 |
| LaserJock | with the lack of time I have | 10:28 |
| ogra | that would mean a bit of work nobody has time for atm | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | I was rather hoping to do it for hardy | 10:29 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:29 |
| LaserJock | but for sure we should merge the packages and sync from them, IMO | 10:29 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:29 |
| ogra | they sounded like they would take our patches without any hassle | 10:29 |
| ogra | so moving the main load over makes sense :) | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah, it seemed like they just didn't know anything about XDG | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | which I'm getting more familiar with these days ;-) | 10:30 |
| ogra | debian_menu is elite :) | 10:30 |
| ogra | make you spethial :) | 10:30 |
| LaserJock | heh | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | I was also thinking of forming a squeak team on LP | 10:31 |
| ogra | i dont understand why debian still insists on even having it in times of xdg | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | not sure if there's much too it | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | but there are a few guys that seem to do a lot of bug work | 10:31 |
| ogra | i know some german users i could point there | 10:31 |
| LaserJock | and I thought perhaps bzr/PPA might be useful | 10:31 |
| ogra | well, if you know devs ... sure | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | we'll see how it goes | 10:32 |
| ogra | set up a team for hardy and lets invite them :) | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | sounds good | 10:32 |
| LaserJock | moving on? | 10:33 |
| ogra | well, i was done already ... | 10:33 |
| ogra | these things just came to my mind when i saw you :) | 10:33 |
| ogra | documentaion .... | 10:34 |
| ogra | well ... | 10:34 |
| ogra | scott is building his edubuntu-docs preview packages in his PPA :) | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | yes, very cool | 10:34 |
| sbalneav | Read docs in my ppa | 10:34 |
| ogra | there should be a recent version | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | I'm cleaning up a few little things | 10:34 |
| ogra | so please install it from there and give feedback | 10:34 |
| LaserJock | String Freeze is tomorrow | 10:34 |
| ogra | well ... | 10:35 |
| sbalneav | yes. | 10:35 |
| ogra | i'm fine for -docs to take that loosely ... | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | generally we do take the Sting Freeze a bit looser in Edubuntu | 10:35 |
| ogra | since they arent translated ... (or are they now) | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | but I'd like use to actually get the docs translated | 10:35 |
| LaserJock | ogra: I'll be updating the .pots with the next upload | 10:36 |
| ogra | LaserJock, well at the point where we have 100 translators shouting at us we'll take it very serious :) | 10:36 |
| sbalneav | There's a LOT of concentrated knowledge now in the handbook. | 10:36 |
| ogra | cool | 10:36 |
| ogra | sbalneav, show off with the size :) | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | we're moving forward at least | 10:37 |
| sbalneav | Francis as well donated the section on Multi-server. | 10:37 |
| ogra | nice | 10:37 |
| sbalneav | We're at 50 pages, printed. | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | next time I'd like to see us adding wiki material as topics | 10:37 |
| ogra | \o/ | 10:37 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:37 |
| LaserJock | but 50 pages of that level of documentation is very excellent | 10:37 |
| ogra | lots of stuff from the FAQ | 10:37 |
| sbalneav | Well, I re-arranged a lot of the content to be more topic-y | 10:38 |
| sbalneav | It is topic-y-er | 10:38 |
| ogra | sbalneav, sis you go through the edubuntu-docs bugs ? there are one or two | 10:38 |
| sbalneav | More work will make it topic-y-est | 10:38 |
| ogra | s/sis/did/ | 10:38 |
| sbalneav | yeah, squashed them. | 10:38 |
| ogra | thanks :) | 10:38 |
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| LaserJock | :-) | 10:39 |
| sbalneav | lol | 10:39 |
| sbalneav | I'll settle for that beer, in Boston :) | 10:39 |
| === RichEd sqeaks the star ... | ||
| ogra | ok, anything else for docs ? | 10:39 |
| LaserJock | ah Boston :/ | 10:39 |
| ogra | :) | 10:39 |
| ogra | no LaserJock in boston ? | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm afraid I might not be able to swing | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | it | 10:40 |
| ogra | :/ | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | definately not UDS | 10:40 |
| ogra | next time ... | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | I'm thinking about UES | 10:40 |
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| sbalneav | Well, bounce a laser off the moon, so we'll know you're thinking about us :) | 10:40 |
| LaserJock | but I'm trying to get back on track with research | 10:40 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: there will be no specific UES this time in Boston | 10:41 |
| LaserJock | RichEd: no? | 10:41 |
| === LaserJock cries | ||
| ogra | RichEd, we made some noise about that in seville ... | 10:41 |
| ogra | iirc | 10:41 |
| RichEd | It was trimmed down to 1 day, and then the sponsor approvers decided there were not enough potential decision makers | 10:41 |
| RichEd | (for adoption i mean) | 10:41 |
| ogra | well | 10:41 |
| ogra | i think ubuntulive was a lot more successfull in that area | 10:42 |
| ogra | so we can well go without one .... | 10:42 |
| RichEd | But there is an upstream 2 day meet before UDS kicks off ... Sat/Sun with UDS on Mon | 10:42 |
| LaserJock | ah | 10:42 |
| ogra | yeah | 10:42 |
| RichEd | So anyone arriving early on Sunday will find myself and Oliver to chat with | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | I was thinking I could probably make a weekend | 10:43 |
| RichEd | We're hoping for Moodle & KDE-Edu at Sat/Sun and Mon | 10:43 |
| RichEd | not official yet | 10:43 |
| LaserJock | awesome! | 10:43 |
| ogra | and for LTSP indeed | 10:43 |
| ogra | :) | 10:43 |
| ogra | (as usual) | 10:43 |
| ogra | ok | 10:44 |
| ogra | o thats it for docs | 10:44 |
| ogra | any additional artwork stuff ... ? | 10:45 |
| ogra | LaserJock, do the addon things hae different icons atm ? or should i take care for that (and if so, where do icons go for them ?) | 10:45 |
| ogra | well, we can clearify that later off-meeting :) | 10:47 |
| ogra | no other artwork issues i guess then | 10:47 |
| ogra | i dont see pips1 around so i guess there is nothing specific to websites .... | 10:48 |
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| LaserJock | sorry, was afk | 10:48 |
| ogra | RichEd, any comminuty matters you want to raise ? | 10:49 |
| LaserJock | yeah, where's are new website dang it :-) | 10:49 |
| ogra | heh | 10:49 |
| RichEd | nothing from me at the moment ... except we are doing some planning for the education space on www.ubuntu.com | 10:49 |
| ogra | ask pips1 ? :) | 10:49 |
| ogra | RichEd, any management issues you want to tell us ? | 10:49 |
| RichEd | just web site planning with the marketing people ... | 10:50 |
| RichEd | also looks like we have a win in macedonia | 10:50 |
| RichEd | edubuntu across a government education rollout, PCs by Haier | 10:50 |
| RichEd | 10K then 30K then 90K desktops | 10:51 |
| RichEd | quite substantial | 10:51 |
| ogra | woah | 10:52 |
| RichEd | and i will be attending a HP event in Georgia at the end of the month ... | 10:52 |
| ogra | *edu*buntu ? | 10:52 |
| RichEd | indeed :) | 10:52 |
| === RichEd looks for the news link | ||
| === ogra is flattered | ||
| ogra | 90k ... wow | 10:52 |
| RichEd | http://digi.it.sohu.com/20070904/n251959599.shtml | 10:53 |
| ogra | and i *love* macedonia ... its very beautiful there :) | 10:53 |
| RichEd | use google chinese to english :) | 10:53 |
| ogra | oh | 10:54 |
| ogra | we need to ship better chinese fonts | 10:54 |
| === ogra sees *lots* of broken utf8 on that page | ||
| LaserJock | darn, this stuff is never in english | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | I want to put stuff on Fridge | 10:54 |
| LaserJock | but if I can't read it I don't like putting it up | 10:55 |
| RichEd | LaserJock: wait for a few days ... we don't have the official edubuntu statement | 10:55 |
| RichEd | it's decided by the OEM, but we want govt. confirmation | 10:55 |
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| LaserJock | cool | 10:56 |
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| RichEd | LaserJock: try this http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigi.it.sohu.com%2F20070904%2Fn251959599.shtml&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools | 10:56 |
| RichEd | see the 3rd image for edubuntu | 10:56 |
| RichEd | also branded onto the mouses / mice | 10:57 |
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| LaserJock | haha, cool | 10:57 |
| RichEd | I'll be attending this event (90% certain) in October to present on Edubuntu | 10:58 |
| RichEd | >>> We are finalising the details of CIS Education Summit in October/Georgia | 10:58 |
| RichEd | >>> We will have 9 countries, about 42 people (all together). | 10:58 |
| RichEd | >>> Customers: IT leads from Ministries of Education, 2 or 3 ministers, | 10:58 |
| RichEd | >>> people from government | 10:58 |
| ogra_ | thats the kubuntu thing, right ? | 10:59 |
| RichEd | no HP ... | 10:59 |
| RichEd | > HP invites direct or indirect IT decision makers. | 10:59 |
| RichEd | > In several countries: Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan Linux option | 10:59 |
| RichEd | > has very high probability. In Armenia, Georgia Ubuntu had been already | 10:59 |
| RichEd | > installed in schools. | 10:59 |
| ogra_ | ah, ok | 10:59 |
| RichEd | So it is a top level "almost clients but still looking" HP thing | 10:59 |
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| RichEd | Our OEM Canonical Russia guy Vladimir will be my key contact | 11:00 |
| RichEd | He'll present my talk in Russian, and I'll field questions in English :) | 11:00 |
| RichEd | Should be an experience | 11:00 |
| ogra_ | heh, cool | 11:00 |
| RichEd | So the good news is that the people are all in charge of 10's of thousands of education machines | 11:00 |
| RichEd | as in decisions for their countries | 11:01 |
| RichEd | --- | 11:01 |
| RichEd | and that's all from me folks | 11:01 |
| ogra | whats the bad then ? | 11:01 |
| ogra | :) | 11:01 |
| RichEd | airports, airport security, airplanes | 11:01 |
| RichEd | the usual tedium | 11:01 |
| ogra | yeah | 11:01 |
| ogra | i'm so happy i dont need to travel atm | 11:01 |
| ogra | anyway ... ANY OTHER BUSINESS ? | 11:02 |
| ogra | perfect ... | 11:02 |
| ogra | going once | 11:02 |
| ogra | going twice | 11:02 |
| ogra | . | 11:02 |
| ogra | .. | 11:02 |
| ogra | ... | 11:02 |
| ogra | .... | 11:02 |
| === RichEd hands over the hammer | ||
| ogra | ..... | 11:03 |
| ogra | adjourned, thanks everybody | 11:03 |
| sbalneav | np | 11:03 |
| ogra | yay, we made it in 1h :) | 11:03 |
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| RichEd | thanks all | 11:04 |
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| RichEd | have a good day / afternoon / night | 11:04 |
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