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[10:02] gah, why dont we still have the new agenda on the wiki ... === monteslu [n=monteslu@ip68-109-171-73.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:03] ogra ... has it gone ? [10:03] moquist, go ahead === xerakko [n=xerakko@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === moquist waves bye [10:03] RichEd, no, its still the old scheme [10:03] ah, no i'm blind === RichEd wipes ollie's spectacles [10:04] (or cant read (working since 10am already ...)) [10:04] ok [10:04] # [10:04] Technical [10:04] * [10:04] Progress over past week [10:04] * [10:04] Issues/ Blocks [10:04] * [10:04] Planned Activities for coming week === makghosh [n=Joy@117.99.29.157] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === SpudDogg [n=spuddogg@c-76-109-159-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:05] well, thin-client-manager was fixed, i solved some small issues with it and gutsies new ldm [10:05] so the userlist is shown again which wasnt the case since ldm2 was in [10:05] hi all [10:05] hey juliux [10:06] i fixed the "share screen" function to pop up the share screen settings automatically if screen sharing isnt enabled on the teachers desktop [10:06] and fixed a small bug with the killing of apps where you had to kill them twice if they were started in shells [10:06] so thin-client-manager is ready to go so far, no regressions anymore [10:07] beyond that everybody cheer for sbalneav ... he's a machine ... and fixes bugs like mad in ltsp *alongside* with writing the new handbook issue === illovae_ [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:08] i mean, i do all this for a living and cant cope with him who does it aside his job ... that really deserves a big thank you from every edubuntu user .... [10:08] heh === sbalneav takes bow [10:09] so if you ever meet sbalneav in person and use edubuntu, dont forget you owe him at least one beer :) [10:09] I will, however, drink more if offered :) [10:09] hehe [10:09] hehe i ahve still some cz beer from jenda ;) [10:09] As ogra can testify to :) [10:09] juliux, no UDS for you ? [10:09] so sbalneav if you are one time in germany you get a cz beer form me that i get from jenda ;) [10:09] ogra, it is in the us;) [10:10] bah, you and your private policies ... [10:10] ogra, and i have to work [10:10] :) [10:10] anyway, lots of fixes, last week ... [10:10] i can t take 5 daies off during the first three month [10:10] sadly the installer progressbar stuff still has issues [10:10] I'm waiting for an ubuntu summit to be in Germany :) [10:10] sbalneav, +11111111111 [10:11] i hope todays upload fixed most of them, but i can only test with the next iso (tomorrow) [10:11] So, are we to the point where we should be iso testing? [10:11] I guess, to test the installer. [10:11] your mkfifo stuff [10:11] this time i also can test iso installation [10:12] yeah, but not before 20060913 [10:12] it wont be in the ones before [10:12] ok [10:12] could it be that you mean 20070913 ? [10:12] I'd be kind of hard at this point to test anything before 20060913 [10:12] oh, and you need a dvdrw or something [10:12] or an 800M CD [10:12] np [10:12] they are oversized [10:12] unless you got a time machine in your back pocket :) [10:13] (no clue if the kernel is proper atm, might be that stuff is out of sync, there was a linux-source upload ) [10:13] Yeah, what's up with the oversize? [10:13] what shot us up? [10:13] likely duplicated kernel packages or so [10:13] ah [10:14] its oversized, but the current 30M are nonsense [10:14] should be around 10 to 15M [10:14] should we test daily or daily-live ? [10:14] daily [10:14] ok [10:14] live doesnt have the d-i stuff for ltsp [10:14] ok [10:14] important is that the ltsp builds work right *and* show proper progess [10:14] i can test them [10:15] i fear that might keep me busy even after beta, but its worth it and long on my todo list [10:15] sso thats one of the current ongoing issues [10:16] (looking at the agenda ...) [10:16] well, more bugfixing is planned for next week indeed [10:16] we will hold another "fix it friday" [10:16] i'll have to get edubuntu-artwork done [10:17] ogra: any more work needed by jill to tidy ? [10:17] well, ken added some comments about the colors, not sure if she wants to address them [10:17] if she doesnt i'm fine to go with what we have [10:17] i'll mail her in the morning ... but i like it as is === RichEd checks the comments [10:18] i'll adjust the rest (gdm/ldm colors etc) to match [10:18] and i'll have to find out why the menu doesnt show the edubuntu logo ... sigh [10:18] that hapens every release :/ [10:18] out of different reasons every time though === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:20] so, thats about it for tech, please test ltsp (build chroots often and report bugs if you can) and if you can, drop by on friday in #edubuntu, we'll have a "fix it friday" :) [10:20] argg, am I late? [10:21] you just missed tech [10:21] :( [10:21] LaserJock: you're in time to raise any issues [10:21] yeah [10:21] not much here, rock on people!! [10:21] heh [10:21] any comments on moodle ? === LaserJock cheerleads from the sidelines [10:21] I'm hoping to get that uploaded today [10:21] and edubuntu-docs within a day or two [10:21] thanks a lot for taking that ... really [10:22] LaserJock: does it look like it will make it in ? [10:22] I just haven't had time to test properly [10:22] RichEd: moodle? [10:22] that was an awesome job ... [10:22] yessir\ [10:22] I don't see why not === RichEd cheers w00t [10:22] I'll twist pitti's arm for the MIR [10:22] ;-) [10:22] \o/ [10:22] a lot of people are waiting with baited breath [10:22] but so far the package works well [10:22] oh, right, now that i see LaserJock [10:23] moquist has done an amazing job [10:23] we had the sueak people from debian contacting us === RichEd thanks LaserJock & Moquist ... and ogra for that [10:23] *squeak [10:23] they would love to get their package into ubuntu [10:23] and i think we should take it ... [10:24] LaserJock, you didnt say much after your initital mail [10:24] I've been pretty busy ;-) [10:24] should we sync it in now instead of putting any more time into ours ? [10:24] well [10:24] appreas like the sanest decision to me [10:24] eventually [10:24] I'm not sure what to do for gutsy [10:25] I don't know that we can get everything switched [10:25] but for sure for hardy [10:26] well, i havent had time to look at the replaces etc ... but the packages seem sane ... [10:26] yeah [10:26] what i wanted *them* to do was to add xdg compliance [10:26] Can we do an UVFe? [10:26] but that seems to have failed miserably :) [10:26] at least according to the last answer ... :) [10:26] well, a UVFe on a whole new pacakging might be difficult [10:27] well [10:27] and there is more than just that [10:27] there are NEW pacakges involved I think [10:27] its a package that only contains binary blobs mainly [10:27] yeah, thats true [10:27] NEW is bad [10:27] in any case, I'd like to take a look [10:27] and they have versioned package names [10:27] perhaps we can replace our existing packages with theirs [10:27] and then for hardy get the NEW stuff [10:28] not right away [10:28] we'll need NEW in any case with their naming scheme [10:28] i didnt take that into account ... [10:28] guess we'll forget about gutsy then [10:28] well, I was thinking we could ... fix that ;-) [10:28] ah, well [10:28] with the lack of time I have [10:29] that would mean a bit of work nobody has time for atm [10:29] I was rather hoping to do it for hardy [10:29] yeah [10:29] but for sure we should merge the packages and sync from them, IMO [10:29] yeah [10:29] they sounded like they would take our patches without any hassle [10:30] so moving the main load over makes sense :) [10:30] yeah, it seemed like they just didn't know anything about XDG [10:30] which I'm getting more familiar with these days ;-) [10:30] debian_menu is elite :) [10:30] make you spethial :) [10:31] heh [10:31] I was also thinking of forming a squeak team on LP [10:31] i dont understand why debian still insists on even having it in times of xdg [10:31] not sure if there's much too it [10:31] but there are a few guys that seem to do a lot of bug work [10:31] i know some german users i could point there [10:31] and I thought perhaps bzr/PPA might be useful [10:32] well, if you know devs ... sure [10:32] we'll see how it goes [10:32] set up a team for hardy and lets invite them :) [10:32] sounds good [10:33] moving on? [10:33] well, i was done already ... [10:33] these things just came to my mind when i saw you :) [10:34] documentaion .... [10:34] well ... [10:34] scott is building his edubuntu-docs preview packages in his PPA :) [10:34] yes, very cool [10:34] Read docs in my ppa [10:34] there should be a recent version [10:34] I'm cleaning up a few little things [10:34] so please install it from there and give feedback [10:34] String Freeze is tomorrow [10:35] well ... [10:35] yes. [10:35] i'm fine for -docs to take that loosely ... [10:35] generally we do take the Sting Freeze a bit looser in Edubuntu [10:35] since they arent translated ... (or are they now) [10:35] but I'd like use to actually get the docs translated [10:36] ogra: I'll be updating the .pots with the next upload [10:36] LaserJock, well at the point where we have 100 translators shouting at us we'll take it very serious :) [10:36] There's a LOT of concentrated knowledge now in the handbook. [10:36] cool [10:37] sbalneav, show off with the size :) [10:37] we're moving forward at least [10:37] Francis as well donated the section on Multi-server. [10:37] nice [10:37] We're at 50 pages, printed. [10:37] next time I'd like to see us adding wiki material as topics [10:37] \o/ [10:37] yeah [10:37] but 50 pages of that level of documentation is very excellent [10:37] lots of stuff from the FAQ [10:38] Well, I re-arranged a lot of the content to be more topic-y [10:38] It is topic-y-er [10:38] sbalneav, sis you go through the edubuntu-docs bugs ? there are one or two [10:38] More work will make it topic-y-est [10:38] s/sis/did/ [10:38] yeah, squashed them. [10:38] thanks :) === ogra gives sbalneav a golden rubber star [10:39] :-) [10:39] lol [10:39] I'll settle for that beer, in Boston :) === RichEd sqeaks the star ... [10:39] ok, anything else for docs ? [10:39] ah Boston :/ [10:39] :) [10:40] no LaserJock in boston ? [10:40] I'm afraid I might not be able to swing [10:40] it [10:40] :/ [10:40] definately not UDS [10:40] next time ... [10:40] I'm thinking about UES === hoora [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-0bdcce8513aabd6a] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:40] Well, bounce a laser off the moon, so we'll know you're thinking about us :) [10:40] but I'm trying to get back on track with research [10:41] LaserJock: there will be no specific UES this time in Boston [10:41] RichEd: no? === LaserJock cries [10:41] RichEd, we made some noise about that in seville ... [10:41] iirc [10:41] It was trimmed down to 1 day, and then the sponsor approvers decided there were not enough potential decision makers [10:41] (for adoption i mean) [10:41] well [10:42] i think ubuntulive was a lot more successfull in that area [10:42] so we can well go without one .... [10:42] But there is an upstream 2 day meet before UDS kicks off ... Sat/Sun with UDS on Mon [10:42] ah [10:42] yeah [10:43] So anyone arriving early on Sunday will find myself and Oliver to chat with [10:43] I was thinking I could probably make a weekend [10:43] We're hoping for Moodle & KDE-Edu at Sat/Sun and Mon [10:43] not official yet [10:43] awesome! [10:43] and for LTSP indeed [10:43] :) [10:43] (as usual) [10:44] ok [10:44] o thats it for docs [10:45] any additional artwork stuff ... ? [10:45] LaserJock, do the addon things hae different icons atm ? or should i take care for that (and if so, where do icons go for them ?) [10:47] well, we can clearify that later off-meeting :) [10:47] no other artwork issues i guess then [10:48] i dont see pips1 around so i guess there is nothing specific to websites .... === ogra takes that as a no [10:48] sorry, was afk [10:49] RichEd, any comminuty matters you want to raise ? [10:49] yeah, where's are new website dang it :-) [10:49] heh [10:49] nothing from me at the moment ... except we are doing some planning for the education space on www.ubuntu.com [10:49] ask pips1 ? :) [10:49] RichEd, any management issues you want to tell us ? [10:50] just web site planning with the marketing people ... [10:50] also looks like we have a win in macedonia [10:50] edubuntu across a government education rollout, PCs by Haier [10:51] 10K then 30K then 90K desktops [10:51] quite substantial [10:52] woah [10:52] and i will be attending a HP event in Georgia at the end of the month ... [10:52] *edu*buntu ? [10:52] indeed :) === RichEd looks for the news link === ogra is flattered [10:52] 90k ... wow [10:53] http://digi.it.sohu.com/20070904/n251959599.shtml [10:53] and i *love* macedonia ... its very beautiful there :) [10:53] use google chinese to english :) [10:54] oh [10:54] we need to ship better chinese fonts === ogra sees *lots* of broken utf8 on that page [10:54] darn, this stuff is never in english [10:54] I want to put stuff on Fridge [10:55] but if I can't read it I don't like putting it up [10:55] LaserJock: wait for a few days ... we don't have the official edubuntu statement [10:55] it's decided by the OEM, but we want govt. confirmation === hagi [n=hagi@adsl-84-227-89-241.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:56] cool === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AF21C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:56] LaserJock: try this http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigi.it.sohu.com%2F20070904%2Fn251959599.shtml&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools [10:56] see the 3rd image for edubuntu [10:57] also branded onto the mouses / mice === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-011-037.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [10:57] haha, cool [10:58] I'll be attending this event (90% certain) in October to present on Edubuntu [10:58] >>> We are finalising the details of CIS Education Summit in October/Georgia [10:58] >>> We will have 9 countries, about 42 people (all together). [10:58] >>> Customers: IT leads from Ministries of Education, 2 or 3 ministers, [10:58] >>> people from government [10:59] thats the kubuntu thing, right ? [10:59] no HP ... [10:59] > HP invites direct or indirect IT decision makers. [10:59] > In several countries: Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan Linux option [10:59] > has very high probability. In Armenia, Georgia Ubuntu had been already [10:59] > installed in schools. [10:59] ah, ok [10:59] So it is a top level "almost clients but still looking" HP thing === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:00] Our OEM Canonical Russia guy Vladimir will be my key contact [11:00] He'll present my talk in Russian, and I'll field questions in English :) [11:00] Should be an experience [11:00] heh, cool [11:00] So the good news is that the people are all in charge of 10's of thousands of education machines [11:01] as in decisions for their countries [11:01] --- [11:01] and that's all from me folks [11:01] whats the bad then ? [11:01] :) [11:01] airports, airport security, airplanes [11:01] the usual tedium [11:01] yeah [11:01] i'm so happy i dont need to travel atm [11:02] anyway ... ANY OTHER BUSINESS ? [11:02] perfect ... [11:02] going once [11:02] going twice [11:02] . [11:02] .. [11:02] ... [11:02] .... === RichEd hands over the hammer [11:03] ..... [11:03] adjourned, thanks everybody [11:03] np [11:03] yay, we made it in 1h :) === DBO [n=DBO@unaffiliated/dbo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:04] thanks all === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting [11:04] have a good day / afternoon / night === ogra waves === RichEd [n=richard@dsl-245-164-226.telkomadsl.co.za] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["~>] === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.248.3] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === fox2k [i=6zhxEDT8@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === asac [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === arualavi [n=Iva@84.76.94.4] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-145-178.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bigon [i=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === bryce_ [n=bryce@86.155.67.23] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === monteslu [n=monteslu@ip68-109-171-73.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 13 Sep 12:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 17 Sep 12:00 UTC: IRC Council | 18 Sep 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 12:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development