[11:36] <highvoltage> @schedule
[11:36] <Ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Sep 20:00: Edubuntu | 13 Sep 12:00: Desktop Team Development | 17 Sep 12:00: IRC Council | 18 Sep 16:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 12:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 20:00: Xubuntu Developers
[12:17] <Balkhog> @now
[12:17] <Ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: September 12 2007, 10:17:25 - Next meeting: Edubuntu in 9 hours 42 minutes
[12:45] <illovae> hello o/
[10:02] <sbalneav> Hello all
[10:02] <ogra> i'm totally unprepared ... :)
[10:02] <stgraber> hello
[10:02] <RichEd> ogra ... wing it then :)
[10:02] <RichEd> hi stgraber
[10:02] <moquist> ogra: would it be out of place for me to say I have to run, but how's moodle, and is there anything more I should do with it right now?
[10:02] <ogra> gah, why dont we still have the new agenda on the wiki ...
[10:03] <RichEd> ogra ... has it gone ?
[10:03] <ogra> moquist, go ahead
[10:03] <ogra> RichEd, no, its still the old scheme
[10:03] <ogra> ah, no i'm blind
[10:04] <ogra> (or cant read (working since 10am already ...))
[10:04] <ogra> ok
[10:04] <ogra> #
[10:04] <ogra> Technical
[10:04] <ogra>     *
[10:04] <ogra>       Progress over past week
[10:04] <ogra>     *
[10:04] <ogra>       Issues/ Blocks
[10:04] <ogra>     *
[10:04] <ogra>       Planned Activities for coming week
[10:05] <ogra> well, thin-client-manager was fixed, i solved some small issues with it and gutsies new ldm
[10:05] <ogra> so the userlist is shown again which wasnt the case since ldm2 was in
[10:05] <juliux> hi all
[10:05] <RichEd> hey juliux
[10:06] <ogra> i fixed the "share screen" function to pop up the share screen settings automatically if screen sharing isnt enabled on the teachers desktop
[10:06] <ogra> and fixed a small bug with the killing of apps where you had to kill them twice if they were started in shells
[10:06] <ogra> so thin-client-manager is ready to go so far, no regressions anymore
[10:07] <ogra> beyond that everybody cheer for sbalneav ... he's a machine ... and fixes bugs like mad in ltsp *alongside* with writing the new handbook issue
[10:08] <ogra> i mean, i do all this for a living and cant cope with him who does it aside his job ... that really deserves a big thank you from every edubuntu user ....
[10:08] <sbalneav> heh
[10:09] <ogra> so if you ever meet sbalneav in person and use edubuntu, dont forget you owe him at least one beer :)
[10:09] <sbalneav> I will, however, drink more if offered :)
[10:09] <ogra> hehe
[10:09] <juliux> hehe i ahve still some cz beer from jenda ;)
[10:09] <sbalneav> As ogra can testify to :)
[10:09] <ogra> juliux, no UDS for you ?
[10:09] <juliux> so sbalneav if you are one time in germany you get a cz beer form me that i get from jenda ;)
[10:09] <juliux> ogra, it is in the us;)
[10:10] <ogra> bah, you and your private policies ...
[10:10] <juliux> ogra, and i have to work
[10:10] <ogra> :)
[10:10] <ogra> anyway, lots of fixes, last week ...
[10:10] <juliux> i can t take 5 daies off during the first three month
[10:10] <ogra> sadly the installer progressbar stuff still has issues
[10:10] <sbalneav> I'm waiting for an ubuntu summit to be in Germany :)
[10:10] <juliux> sbalneav, +11111111111
[10:11] <ogra> i hope todays upload fixed most of them, but i can only test with the next iso (tomorrow)
[10:11] <sbalneav> So, are we to the point where we should be iso testing?
[10:11] <sbalneav> I guess, to test the installer.
[10:11] <sbalneav> your mkfifo stuff
[10:11] <juliux> this time i also can test iso installation
[10:12] <ogra> yeah, but not before 20060913
[10:12] <ogra> it wont be in the ones before
[10:12] <juliux> ok
[10:12] <juliux> could it be that you mean 20070913 ?
[10:12] <sbalneav> I'd be kind of hard at this point to test anything before 20060913
[10:12] <ogra> oh, and you need a dvdrw or something
[10:12] <ogra> or an 800M CD
[10:12] <juliux> np
[10:12] <ogra> they are oversized
[10:12] <sbalneav> unless you got a time machine in your back pocket :)
[10:13] <ogra> (no clue if the kernel is proper atm, might be that stuff is out of sync, there was a linux-source upload )
[10:13] <sbalneav> Yeah, what's up with the oversize?
[10:13] <sbalneav> what shot us up?
[10:13] <ogra> likely duplicated kernel packages or so
[10:13] <sbalneav> ah
[10:14] <ogra> its oversized, but the current 30M are nonsense
[10:14] <ogra> should be around 10 to 15M
[10:14] <juliux> should we test daily or daily-live ?
[10:14] <ogra> daily
[10:14] <juliux> ok
[10:14] <ogra> live doesnt have the d-i stuff for ltsp
[10:14] <juliux> ok
[10:14] <ogra> important is that the ltsp builds work right *and* show proper progess
[10:14] <juliux> i can test them
[10:15] <ogra> i fear that might keep me busy even after beta, but its worth it and long on my todo list
[10:15] <ogra> sso thats one of the current ongoing issues
[10:16] <ogra> (looking at the agenda ...)
[10:16] <ogra> well, more bugfixing is planned for next week indeed
[10:16] <ogra> we will hold another "fix it friday"
[10:16] <ogra> i'll have to get edubuntu-artwork done
[10:17] <RichEd> ogra: any more work needed by jill to tidy ?
[10:17] <ogra> well, ken added some comments about the colors, not sure if she wants to address them
[10:17] <ogra> if she doesnt i'm fine to go with what we have
[10:17] <RichEd> i'll mail her in the morning ... but i like it as is
[10:18] <ogra> i'll adjust the rest (gdm/ldm colors etc) to match
[10:18] <ogra> and i'll have to find out why the menu doesnt show the edubuntu logo ... sigh
[10:18] <ogra> that hapens every release :/
[10:18] <ogra> out of different reasons every time though
[10:20] <ogra> so, thats about it for tech, please test ltsp (build chroots often and report bugs if you can) and if you can, drop by on friday in #edubuntu, we'll have a "fix it friday" :)
[10:20] <LaserJock> argg, am I late?
[10:21] <ogra> you just missed tech
[10:21] <LaserJock> :(
[10:21] <RichEd> LaserJock: you're in time to raise any issues
[10:21] <ogra> yeah
[10:21] <LaserJock> not much here, rock on people!!
[10:21] <ogra> heh
[10:21] <ogra> any comments on moodle ?
[10:21] <LaserJock> I'm hoping to get that uploaded today
[10:21] <LaserJock> and edubuntu-docs within a day or two
[10:21] <ogra> thanks a lot for taking that ... really
[10:22] <RichEd> LaserJock: does it look like it will make it in ?
[10:22] <LaserJock> I just haven't had time to test properly
[10:22] <LaserJock> RichEd: moodle?
[10:22] <ogra> that was an awesome job ...
[10:22] <RichEd> yessir\
[10:22] <LaserJock> I don't see why not
[10:22] <LaserJock> I'll twist pitti's arm for the MIR
[10:22] <LaserJock> ;-)
[10:22] <ogra> \o/
[10:22] <RichEd> a lot of people are waiting with baited breath
[10:22] <LaserJock> but so far the package works well
[10:22] <ogra> oh, right, now that i see LaserJock
[10:23] <LaserJock> moquist has done an amazing job
[10:23] <ogra> we had the sueak people from debian contacting us
[10:23] <ogra> *squeak
[10:23] <ogra> they would love to get their package into ubuntu
[10:23] <ogra> and i think we should take it ...
[10:24] <ogra> LaserJock, you didnt say much after your initital mail
[10:24] <LaserJock> I've been pretty busy ;-)
[10:24] <ogra> should we sync it in now instead of putting any more time into ours ?
[10:24] <LaserJock> well
[10:24] <ogra> appreas like the sanest decision to me
[10:24] <LaserJock> eventually
[10:24] <LaserJock> I'm not sure what to do for gutsy
[10:25] <LaserJock> I don't know that we can get everything switched
[10:25] <LaserJock> but for sure for hardy
[10:26] <ogra> well, i havent had time to look at the replaces etc ... but the packages seem sane ...
[10:26] <LaserJock> yeah
[10:26] <ogra> what i wanted *them* to do was to add xdg compliance
[10:26] <sbalneav> Can we do an UVFe?
[10:26] <ogra> but that seems to have failed miserably :)
[10:26] <ogra> at least according to the last answer ... :)
[10:26] <LaserJock> well, a UVFe on a whole new pacakging might be difficult
[10:27] <ogra> well
[10:27] <LaserJock> and there is more than just that
[10:27] <LaserJock> there are NEW pacakges involved I think
[10:27] <ogra> its a package that only contains binary blobs mainly
[10:27] <ogra> yeah, thats true
[10:27] <ogra> NEW is bad
[10:27] <LaserJock> in any case, I'd like to take a look
[10:27] <ogra> and they have versioned package names
[10:27] <LaserJock> perhaps we can replace our existing packages with theirs
[10:27] <LaserJock> and then for hardy get the NEW stuff
[10:28] <ogra> not right away
[10:28] <ogra> we'll need NEW in any case with their naming scheme
[10:28] <ogra> i didnt take that into account ...
[10:28] <ogra> guess we'll forget about gutsy then
[10:28] <LaserJock> well, I was thinking we could ... fix that ;-)
[10:28] <ogra> ah, well
[10:28] <LaserJock> with the lack of time I have
[10:29] <ogra> that would mean a bit of work nobody has time for atm
[10:29] <LaserJock> I was rather hoping to do it for hardy
[10:29] <ogra> yeah
[10:29] <LaserJock> but for sure we should merge the packages and sync from them, IMO
[10:29] <ogra> yeah
[10:29] <ogra> they sounded like they would take our patches without any hassle
[10:30] <ogra> so moving the main load over makes sense :)
[10:30] <LaserJock> yeah, it seemed like they just didn't know anything about XDG
[10:30] <LaserJock> which I'm getting more familiar with these days ;-)
[10:30] <ogra> debian_menu is elite :)
[10:30] <ogra> make you spethial :)
[10:31] <LaserJock> heh
[10:31] <LaserJock> I was also thinking of forming a squeak team on LP
[10:31] <ogra> i dont understand why debian still insists on even having it in times of xdg
[10:31] <LaserJock> not sure if there's much too it
[10:31] <LaserJock> but there are a few guys that seem to do a lot of bug work
[10:31] <ogra> i know some german users i could point there
[10:31] <LaserJock> and I thought perhaps bzr/PPA might be useful
[10:32] <ogra> well, if you know devs ... sure
[10:32] <LaserJock> we'll see how it goes
[10:32] <ogra> set up a team for hardy and lets invite them :)
[10:32] <LaserJock> sounds good
[10:33] <LaserJock> moving on?
[10:33] <ogra> well, i was done already ...
[10:33] <ogra> these things just came to my mind when i saw you :)
[10:34] <ogra> documentaion ....
[10:34] <ogra> well ...
[10:34] <ogra> scott is building his edubuntu-docs preview packages in his PPA :)
[10:34] <LaserJock> yes, very cool
[10:34] <sbalneav> Read docs in my ppa
[10:34] <ogra> there should be a recent version
[10:34] <LaserJock> I'm cleaning up a few little things
[10:34] <ogra> so please install it from there and give feedback
[10:34] <LaserJock> String Freeze is tomorrow
[10:35] <ogra> well ...
[10:35] <sbalneav> yes.
[10:35] <ogra> i'm fine for -docs to take that loosely ...
[10:35] <LaserJock> generally we do take the Sting Freeze a bit looser in Edubuntu
[10:35] <ogra> since they arent translated ... (or are they now)
[10:35] <LaserJock> but I'd like use to actually get the docs translated
[10:36] <LaserJock> ogra: I'll be updating the .pots with the next upload
[10:36] <ogra> LaserJock, well at the point where we have 100 translators shouting at us we'll take it very serious :)
[10:36] <sbalneav> There's a LOT of concentrated knowledge now in the handbook.
[10:36] <ogra> cool
[10:37] <ogra> sbalneav, show off with the size :)
[10:37] <LaserJock> we're moving forward at least
[10:37] <sbalneav> Francis as well donated the section on Multi-server.
[10:37] <ogra> nice
[10:37] <sbalneav> We're at 50 pages, printed.
[10:37] <LaserJock> next time I'd like to see us adding wiki material as topics
[10:37] <ogra> \o/
[10:37] <ogra> yeah
[10:37] <LaserJock> but 50 pages of that level of documentation is very excellent
[10:37] <ogra> lots of stuff from the FAQ
[10:38] <sbalneav> Well, I re-arranged a lot of the content to be more topic-y
[10:38] <sbalneav> It is topic-y-er
[10:38] <ogra> sbalneav, sis you go through the edubuntu-docs bugs ? there are one or two
[10:38] <sbalneav> More work will make it topic-y-est
[10:38] <ogra> s/sis/did/
[10:38] <sbalneav> yeah, squashed them.
[10:38] <ogra> thanks :)
[10:39] <LaserJock> :-)
[10:39] <sbalneav> lol
[10:39] <sbalneav> I'll settle for that beer, in Boston :)
[10:39] <ogra> ok, anything else for docs ?
[10:39] <LaserJock> ah Boston :/
[10:39] <ogra> :)
[10:40] <ogra> no LaserJock in boston ?
[10:40] <LaserJock> I'm afraid I might not be able to swing
[10:40] <LaserJock> it
[10:40] <ogra> :/
[10:40] <LaserJock> definately not UDS
[10:40] <ogra> next time ...
[10:40] <LaserJock> I'm thinking about UES
[10:40] <sbalneav> Well, bounce a laser off the moon, so we'll know you're thinking about us :)
[10:40] <LaserJock> but I'm trying to get back on track with research
[10:41] <RichEd> LaserJock: there will be no specific UES this time in Boston
[10:41] <LaserJock> RichEd: no?
[10:41] <ogra> RichEd, we made some noise about that in seville ...
[10:41] <ogra> iirc
[10:41] <RichEd> It was trimmed down to 1 day, and then the sponsor approvers decided there were not enough potential decision makers
[10:41] <RichEd> (for adoption i mean)
[10:41] <ogra> well
[10:42] <ogra> i think ubuntulive was a lot more successfull in that area
[10:42] <ogra> so we can well go without one ....
[10:42] <RichEd> But there is an upstream 2 day meet before UDS kicks off ... Sat/Sun with UDS on Mon
[10:42] <LaserJock> ah
[10:42] <ogra> yeah
[10:43] <RichEd> So anyone arriving early on Sunday will find myself and Oliver to chat with
[10:43] <LaserJock> I was thinking I could probably make a weekend
[10:43] <RichEd> We're hoping for Moodle & KDE-Edu at Sat/Sun and Mon
[10:43] <RichEd> not official yet
[10:43] <LaserJock> awesome!
[10:43] <ogra> and for LTSP indeed
[10:43] <ogra> :)
[10:43] <ogra> (as usual)
[10:44] <ogra> ok
[10:44] <ogra> o thats it for docs
[10:45] <ogra> any additional artwork stuff ... ?
[10:45] <ogra> LaserJock, do the addon things hae different icons atm ? or should i take care for that (and if so, where do icons go for them ?)
[10:47] <ogra> well, we can clearify that later off-meeting :)
[10:47] <ogra> no other artwork issues i guess then
[10:48] <ogra> i dont see pips1 around so i guess there is nothing specific to websites ....
[10:48] <LaserJock> sorry, was afk
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd, any comminuty matters you want to raise ?
[10:49] <LaserJock> yeah, where's are new website dang it :-)
[10:49] <ogra> heh
[10:49] <RichEd> nothing from me at the moment ... except we are doing some planning for the education space on www.ubuntu.com
[10:49] <ogra> ask pips1 ? :)
[10:49] <ogra> RichEd, any management issues you want to tell us ?
[10:50] <RichEd> just web site planning with the marketing people ...
[10:50] <RichEd> also looks like we have a win in macedonia
[10:50] <RichEd> edubuntu across a government education rollout, PCs by Haier
[10:51] <RichEd> 10K then 30K then 90K desktops
[10:51] <RichEd> quite substantial
[10:52] <ogra> woah
[10:52] <RichEd> and i will be attending a HP event in Georgia at the end of the month ...
[10:52] <ogra> *edu*buntu ?
[10:52] <RichEd> indeed :)
[10:52] <ogra> 90k ... wow
[10:53] <RichEd> http://digi.it.sohu.com/20070904/n251959599.shtml
[10:53] <ogra> and i *love* macedonia ... its very beautiful there :)
[10:53] <RichEd> use google chinese to english :)
[10:54] <ogra> oh
[10:54] <ogra> we need to ship better chinese fonts
[10:54] <LaserJock> darn, this stuff is never in english
[10:54] <LaserJock> I want to put stuff on Fridge
[10:55] <LaserJock> but if I can't read it I don't like putting it up
[10:55] <RichEd> LaserJock: wait for a few days ... we don't have the official edubuntu statement
[10:55] <RichEd> it's decided by the OEM, but we want govt. confirmation
[10:56] <LaserJock> cool
[10:56] <RichEd> LaserJock: try this http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fdigi.it.sohu.com%2F20070904%2Fn251959599.shtml&langpair=zh%7Cen&hl=en&safe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools
[10:56] <RichEd> see the 3rd image for edubuntu
[10:57] <RichEd> also branded onto the mouses / mice
[10:57] <LaserJock> haha, cool
[10:58] <RichEd> I'll be attending this event (90% certain) in October to present on Edubuntu
[10:58] <RichEd> >>> We are finalising the details of CIS Education Summit in October/Georgia
[10:58] <RichEd> >>> We will have 9 countries, about 42 people (all together).
[10:58] <RichEd> >>> Customers: IT leads from Ministries of Education, 2 or 3 ministers,
[10:58] <RichEd> >>> people from government
[10:59] <ogra_> thats the kubuntu thing, right ?
[10:59] <RichEd> no HP ...
[10:59] <RichEd> > HP invites direct or indirect IT decision makers.
[10:59] <RichEd> > In several countries: Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgizstan Linux option
[10:59] <RichEd> > has very high probability. In Armenia, Georgia Ubuntu had been already
[10:59] <RichEd> > installed in schools.
[10:59] <ogra_> ah, ok
[10:59] <RichEd> So it is a top level "almost clients but still looking" HP thing
[11:00] <RichEd> Our OEM Canonical Russia guy Vladimir will be my key contact
[11:00] <RichEd> He'll present my talk in Russian, and I'll field questions in English :)
[11:00] <RichEd> Should be an experience
[11:00] <ogra_> heh, cool
[11:00] <RichEd> So the good news is that the people are all in charge of 10's of thousands of education machines
[11:01] <RichEd> as in decisions for their countries
[11:01] <RichEd> ---
[11:01] <RichEd> and that's all from me folks
[11:01] <ogra> whats the bad then ?
[11:01] <ogra> :)
[11:01] <RichEd> airports, airport security, airplanes
[11:01] <RichEd> the usual tedium
[11:01] <ogra> yeah
[11:01] <ogra> i'm so happy i dont need to travel atm
[11:02] <ogra> anyway ... ANY OTHER BUSINESS ?
[11:02] <ogra> perfect ...
[11:02] <ogra> going once
[11:02] <ogra> going twice
[11:02] <ogra> .
[11:02] <ogra> ..
[11:02] <ogra> ...
[11:02] <ogra> ....
[11:03] <ogra> .....
[11:03] <ogra> adjourned, thanks everybody
[11:03] <sbalneav> np
[11:03] <ogra> yay, we made it in 1h :)
[11:04] <RichEd> thanks all
[11:04] <RichEd> have a good day / afternoon / night