=== astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:59] Hmm. I submitted a debdiff fixing bashisms (which rendered the package useless, the app wouldn't run) to Debian, but the Debian maintainer is going to apply the debdiff to a new version of said packages, and upload it (current version: 2.0.8, new version: 2.0.10). I assume I can't merge it from debian if it's a new version? [01:00] debian bug 439075 [01:00] Debian bug 439075 in bzflag "BZFlag: Bashisms in debian/rules" [Normal,Open] http://bugs.debian.org/439075 [01:00] Not without a UVFe. === jmg hates this bash -> dash stuff [01:00] you can apply the patch to the current Ubuntu package and note in the changelog that next time we can drop the diff [01:01] bug 132587 [01:01] Launchpad bug 132587 in bzflag "bzflag includes source makefiles and empty directories, no fonts included" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132587 [01:01] why use dash on debian/rules? [01:01] because it's built using dash === fernando__ [n=fernando@200.220.228.175] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:01] but why? [01:01] because dash is the system shell [01:01] i thought it was only a concern in the initrd? [01:02] no [01:02] Hey folks. [01:02] why would you use dash as the system shell outside the initrd? [01:02] dash is the shell for all system processes [01:02] or d-i [01:02] because it's faster [01:02] and lighter [01:02] and stupider [01:02] and we don't need bash to run simple shell scripts [01:03] it's not stupid [01:03] dumber [01:03] no [01:03] ok. So... do I UVF or just apply debdiff and add to changelog? [01:03] it's just not bash [01:03] sounds like creating a lot of work [01:03] whats the actual, measurable gain [01:03] from switching to dash [01:03] ie, where are the numbers [01:03] jmg: it's been in use since edgy (iirc) [01:03] it's forcing people to fix incorrect shell scripts [01:03] LaserJock: but they arent incorrect - dash just isnt bash [01:03] no [01:04] they are buggy [01:04] More posix compliant is a good t hing [01:04] jmg: yes they are incorrect, they are using /bin/sh & expecting bash [01:04] ajmitch: ah i see, that is a bug [01:04] it's only a problem when people write bash scripts and don't say they are bash scripts [01:04] got it [01:04] if people do /bin/bash it's fine [01:04] a good deal of the "upstart is so much faster" hype came from using dash instead of bash [01:04] jmg: I wouldn't think so, in my mind, if it's a bash script, then "#!/bin/bash" [01:05] ryanakca: if it's not a new upstream version then it doesn't need a UVFe [01:05] ajmitch: but wasnt that just hype [01:05] how much faster is it? [01:05] jmg: boot times were measurably faster - upstart itself wasn't the gai [01:05] s/gai/gain/ [01:06] LaserJock: ok [01:06] since it's still using the same init scripts === ajmitch doesn't have the numbers on hand [01:06] if it was fully upstart it should be faster? [01:06] i.e. not in sysv compat mode [01:06] LaserJock: yes, because things wouldn't block on each other the way they do now [01:07] right [01:07] not sure how much faster, but it should be possible [01:07] rather than just tweaking the numbers in /etc/rc2.d [01:08] it'd allow a lot more flexibility as well === ScottK2 [n=kitterma@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:10] hm === ajmitch thinks that bug 139009 may not really be a firefox problem :) [01:10] Launchpad bug 139009 in firefox "php script won't open" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139009 [01:11] that is a bit funky [01:11] that's a broken web server configuration [01:14] yes [01:14] Hmm.. what happens if the debian maintainer includes his debian/ dir in the svn/sources/.tar.gz ? === valles [n=valles@200.71.131.12] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:15] is it "policy" complient/etc? (since he's the maintainer) or not? === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-105-068.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:19] policy? we don't need no stinkin' policy! :-) === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [01:20] shh [01:20] ryanakca: Minimum diff from Debian is the policy, so leave it. [01:21] LaserJock: just let everyone upload what they want then? :) [01:21] heck yeah [01:21] this is free software, you shouldn't need to be in an exclusive team to upload! [01:21] first one gets the changelog entry [01:21] hmm, I thought FLOSS people were into being elitists :/ [01:22] why, I reckon that there's no problem with shoving checkinstalled packages into the archive, do you? [01:22] We already have a not written down secret list of packages that don't need a UVFe, so why not. It's the next logical step. [01:22] ajmitch: if it installs for one person it should install for everybody else, right? [01:22] ScottK2: do you mean the gnome packages, or something else? [01:23] ajmitch: There's a list of excepted packages needing the latest crack for UME. [01:23] right, that's expected [01:23] The list isn't actually written down. [01:24] Except a bunch of them are in Universe. [01:24] we had the same thing with kde4 packages in the last release [01:24] Right. [01:24] ScottK2: okies [01:24] Those you can tell which they are. [01:24] not holding up the work of other teams is a good thing === ScottK2 wasted a bunch of time saying no to a UVFe on a package that none of us knew didn't need one. === ScottK2 doesn't mind, just wants a list. === gnilor [n=gnilor@d54C26ADF.access.telenet.be] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Leaving"] [01:25] zul can tell you that we frequently just ignored his uploads which didn't have formal exceptions [01:25] & just let them go through, since xen is sort of important to a couple of people [01:25] that reminds me, I should look at getting the exception for zope2.10 :) [01:26] though I probably won't be allowed to have plone 3.0 [01:27] Sure. Just give me a list of stuff not to waste my time on. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:27] ScottK2: but I don't have a blanket exception for zope stuff from on high === ajmitch does have an exception for samba which needs to be uploaded tonight === jml_ [n=jml@203-113-250-169-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ScottK2 is still pretty grumpy about it. [01:29] I couldn't tell [01:29] Heh. [01:29] so who filed the uvf exception, without knowing that they already had one? === LaserJock imagines a bright light and a voice from above ... "Andrew! I bless thy zope packages, for thou is the most excellent Lord of the Plone" ;-) === theCore [n=alex@ubuntu/member/theCore] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:30] LaserJock: I haven't touched it for gutsy [01:31] It was bigon. He works on telepathy as a volunteer and didn't know UME had a blanke exception. [01:31] so I hardly rank as even lowly minion of the plone [01:31] aha === ScottK2 basically said to fix the regression from the previous load and not sync. [01:31] ajmitch: and here I thought it was just because it was perfect ;-) [01:32] LaserJock: more that it's been kept as close to debian as possible, so autosyncs handled everything [01:32] Only to be told after 2 days of discussion, never mind ther's an exceptions. === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-motu === shriphani [n=shriphan@219.91.188.167] has joined #ubuntu-motu === begert [n=booga@cpe-74-74-217-64.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ajmitch is surprised that it'd take 2 days of discussion [01:34] Well no one involved in the actual discussion knew about the exception. [01:34] Upstream didn't want to bother with a patch. [01:34] seems like universe is far stricter about UVF exceptions at times [01:35] There are 5 people on the team, you only need to convince 2. [01:35] My view was that the last release had a major regression, so taking the regression fix + other stuff wasn't a good bet. [01:35] I've got exceptions for main by convincing 1 person on irc, based on the upstream changelog [01:36] yep [01:36] Sure. I got one for clamav a week before Feisty released in Universe. It all depends. === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:38] for feisty we had a few implicit exceptions [01:39] though we did have the same UVF team for both edgy & feisty === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:51] Argh! If theres one thing I don't like about X/GNOME compared to Windows, its that you have to keep the app open that you are copying test from. === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-motu === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-90f84acdad5003bd] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-172-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:15] Heya gang [02:16] whaddup? [02:17] d00d.. :-) === DreamThief [n=mathias@unaffiliated/dreamthief] has joined #ubuntu-motu === therethinker [n=zach@c-76-24-122-94.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bluefoxicy [n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:38] ugh the new deskbar behavior is horrible. [02:38] So fix it [02:39] it doesn't pop out below the icon anymore, it brings up a whole new window :| [02:40] does it send mail yet? [02:43] hows katapult looking these days? === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === begert [n=booga@cpe-74-74-217-64.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [02:54] ajmitch: @ 11.34am local time, you're correct. [02:56] ajmitch: of course, those who have the power to upload to main are slightly more trusted than those in universe, by definition - and are unlikely to propose bad/untested packages. [03:02] LongPointyStick: we'd hope that we could trust everyone for universe [03:02] well we'd hope that, yes. [03:03] we'd hope that they'd at least be trusted enough for an approval via irc [03:04] ie, not even a "upload whatever" [03:05] ajmitch: i'd like to be able to do that. and we could, really. but some people are dissatisfied without a paper trail, and it makes things harder to track [03:05] I would say that it could be like that for the next release, but it'll be an LTS release & everyone will want to freeze as soon as possible [03:06] well, that's my 'plan'. either for that, or hardy+1. whether i get to implemetn said plan, who knows... [03:07] whether you get to? [03:07] you mean going back to how things were in previous releases? :) [03:08] A free for all? :-) [03:08] not that far back [03:08] just giving informal approval on irc [03:09] :) [03:11] ajmitch: well, my thought is that all MOTU's should be capable of deciding whether a package should go in or not [03:14] Except that we can't sync so we are still reliant on -archive [03:14] LongPointyStick: good luck with that one [03:14] LongPointyStick: I know you'll come up against some opposition there [03:14] OK has ip_nat.h been deprecated in the 2.6 kernels? [03:15] bddebian: why do you think that? [03:15] bddebian: don't look at your Hurd partition for that kinda stuff, dude [03:15] hah [03:16] Because I don't see it in any packages except libuclib and xen-headers-foo [03:16] ajmitch: true that [03:16] ajmitch: i can dream :P [03:16] LongPointyStick: we've been discussing this for awhile, sadly [03:17] but it seems like whoever's in the current uvf team sets the rules [03:19] ajmitch: i dont think anyone sets the rules much, and the MC doesnt seem to either. [03:19] so there are adhoc rules [03:20] maybe dholbach will fix it all [03:20] I was going to say that :-) [03:22] i dont really know how much of this is worht fixing, either [03:22] seeing as people will just upload whatever, to some extent [03:24] LongPointyStick: no, the uvf team chooses what it will approve, and how many approvals it needs [03:25] there was an agreement that the MC wasn't to make any decisions like that [03:25] ajmitch: right. [03:25] at the moment the MC is just a nice mailing list to discuss & vote on applications [03:26] changing procedures & policy every release does get a little tedious [03:27] this is true [03:28] of course, the release team is changing too, which makes it all more difficult [03:28] so currently the only way to change such things is at the motu meetings which noone wants to go to [03:28] in what way is the release team changing? [03:28] That reminds me... [03:28] I want to go to them, I just keep missing them :-( [03:29] ajmitch: the people are changing, etc. [03:29] yeah, it's not as much "fun" lately :-( [03:29] (in that Mithrandir isnt the RM anymore) [03:29] the last meeting was at 00:00UTC, to accomodate people in this area [03:29] bddebian: MOTU, or the meetings? [03:29] but iirc TheMuso was the only aussie [03:29] MOTU [03:29] LongPointyStick: great, so when are you RM? [03:29] i'm not [03:29] ajmitch: and fujitsu [03:29] ah yes [03:29] Grr, where the hell is ip_nat.h === LongPointyStick has class on at that sort of time [03:30] LongPointyStick: I was hoping that StevenK or RAOF might have showed up, except that there was nothing worth discussing [03:30] LongPointyStick: It was a saturday morning. [03:30] ajmitch: Thats the thing also I think. People see no agenda, and they think, meh, not worth it. [03:31] TheMuso: ah, i suspected as much. then i was asleep, or otherwise not here. === _MMA_ [n=_MMA_@cpe-071-070-203-016.nc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [03:33] Hmm, maybe nf_nat.h has replaced it? [03:34] bddebian: what are you trying to fix now? [03:34] linux-igd [03:34] looks evil [03:34] and orphaned in debian, I guess [03:35] Yep [03:35] with an RC bug there [03:35] so why are you trying to fix it now? [03:35] Because it's on the FTBFS list :-) [03:35] you want to maintain it in debian? [03:35] hellz no [03:35] well you're trying to fix the same RC bug [03:36] Aye [03:36] is it a good use of your time? [03:36] Dunno, is it? [03:36] that's why I'm asking [03:37] Me to. I just work aimlessly [03:37] we probably want to get as many fixed as possible, packages orphaned in debian for a few months tend not to be popular or important === TheMuso meant to get the newest upstream of linux-igd into Ubuntu, but iit hasn't been on my priority list, so haven't gotten round to it. [03:38] what is linux-igd anyways? [03:39] TheMuso: you use it? [03:39] zul: UPNP stuff [03:39] ajmitch: meh [03:39] ajmitch: you could just throw out all the motu-uvf people, and say that tehy dont know how to do their job, and replace them if you wish [03:39] execatly [03:39] not worth it [03:39] :) [03:39] LongPointyStick: oh, how could I do that? [03:40] considering that they were all voted in by MOTUs [03:40] mind control [03:40] ajmitch: i'm sure you'd find a way [03:40] LongPointyStick: you make me sound like some evil person out to overthrow the ruling regime [03:41] weren't you the one who wanted the get rid of the team altogether? [03:42] Man having no pet packages makes doing anything useful difficult :-( [03:42] bddebian: it's simple, I just do nothing [03:42] :-) [03:42] ajmitch: No, but I saw it needed updating a while ago... [03:42] That's probably what I should be doing [03:44] Let all these young pups do it right :-) === StevenK raises an eyebrow [03:44] ajmitch: indeed. i do. [03:44] but not yet. === begert [n=booga@cpe-74-74-217-64.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === zul goes feed the rugrat === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-221-92.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:04] LongPointyStick: Sorry for being pissy earlier. [04:04] no problem. it was warranted. [04:05] i wasnt even aware that telepathy* was covered under UME stuff, until i saw the uploader [04:05] and went "oh, hang on, i suspect that..." [04:05] I didn't pick it either. [04:05] RIght, well I'd still like a list (and I don't think it's your job to write it). === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu-motu === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.233.106] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Whoopie_ [n=Whoopie@unaffiliated/whoopie] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:24] What the hell is smr_CHECK_LIB() ? === effie_jayx [n=effie_ja@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] bddebian: Trouble. [04:27] ;-) === lmr_ [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:27] bddebian: I found out today you are no longer even the 2nd oldest person here. [04:27] norsetto is older than BOTH of us. [04:28] So I've noticed. :-) Seriously though, I know ac_XXX but where does smr_XXX come from? [04:28] No way? [04:28] ScottK: and just how old is he? [04:28] Yeah. That or he lies in his LP profile. [04:28] He claims to be 45. [04:28] Has me beat by a year. [04:28] whoa [04:28] that's young [04:28] Man I'm feeling young these days :-) [04:28] I've got a friend who's a DD, and I think he's over 70 === LongPointyStick is getting old... [04:28] ajmitch: If I start now, I may make it by then. [04:29] bddebian: you know of him, he makes the hurd iso images... [04:29] LongPointyStick: yeah, right [04:29] you're one of the youngest here [04:29] Fujitsu: is [04:29] ajmitch: He's a DD? I didn't know that [04:29] one of, I said [04:29] bddebian: sure [04:29] yes, and? :P [04:29] it could be worse... === ajmitch feels old though === Whoopie_ is now known as Whoopie [04:35] Where the heck do these smr_macros come from??? === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso doesn't necessarily think dholbach assigning uus queue bugs to core devs is a good idea. [04:47] TheMuso: why not? [04:48] ajmitch: Well, I see one that hasn't yet been attended to by the core dev assigned to it... [04:49] And its been there a while. [04:50] then someone else should sponsor it, I guess [04:51] it does act as a bit of a disincentive for others to sponsor [04:52] Well, it could be seen as stealing. I would do it, but I would rather ask the assignee if they are happy for me to do it. === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lmr_ [n=lmr@201.82.51.164] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:54] Jesus, could lilypond possibly take any longer to build.. Sheesh [04:54] ScottK, LongPointyStick: I want to sync a new version of phpgroupware which fixes a security bug & php5 compatibility, ok by you? [04:54] bddebian: yes. it could be kde. [04:54] heh [04:55] ajmitch: fine by me. [04:55] TheMuso: ajmitch: you can probably hijack it [04:55] how usable is kde4 as a desktop in gutsy right now? [04:55] ajmitch: Yes. phpcrack is always good to have. [04:55] great [04:55] ajmitch: unsure. i've not tried it. it's beta2 [04:55] LongPointyStick: But I'm to polite to do that. [04:55] I'll upload the rfc-less version to debian tonight [04:56] a mere 40MB of crack to upload [04:56] If someone else wants to hijack, they can go ahead, but I'd rather run it past the assignee first. [04:56] TheMuso: bug #? [04:57] TheMuso: well, they havent directly volunteered themselves into sponsoring that package anyway [04:58] hi spam [04:58] Cool. The new eclipse upload builds + on ppc and lpia and - on amd64. I guess that's a win. [04:59] ScottK: Yeah that FTBFS on amd64 is weird. [05:00] Its certainly not the source package, as its built everywhere else. [05:00] Bah. No one uses that anyway. [05:00] Says he who asked a ppc owner to check a build on an arch that most use either. :p === LongPointyStick should take a break from MOTU [05:00] what, noone uses eclipse? [05:00] LongPointyStick: why? [05:00] Odd. [05:00] s/most use/most don't use/ [05:00] "debian/control did change, please restart the build" [05:01] It's java. No one cares about that. [05:02] ajmitch: so i cant get told off for not doing things in a timely manner. [05:02] LongPointyStick: nah, I manage to ignore the telling off [05:03] so you can stick around MOTU & keep doing whatever you do :) === caravena [n=caravena@pc-84-203-83-200.cm.vtr.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === apachelogger_ [n=me@N711P027.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:35] bug 139035 is pretty special [05:35] Launchpad bug 139035 in libsvg "libsvg1 package broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139035 [05:36] binary package name change (to get the ABI), but no conflicts/replaces === ajmitch wonders if 'libsvg' was ever in ubuntu [05:37] I recall it being compiz/beryl related [05:39] ajmitch: it's in main [05:39] sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ showsrc libsvg | grep Binary [05:39] Binary: libsvg-dev, libsvg1 [05:39] Binary: libsvg-dev, libsvg1 === sethbc [n=sethbc@cpe-66-108-162-181.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:40] LongPointyStick: exactly, no libsvg *binary* package [05:40] oh, yes, right. i just checked the changelog [05:40] I recall seeing this libsvg binary package on beryl repositories === LongPointyStick thought someone incompetent had renamed the binary, but had not put in the C/R's. [05:40] nah [05:40] but if it's not in debian/ubuntu at all... [05:41] I asked for the output of apt-cache policy - if it's 0.1.4-0, I know it's the 3rd party crack [05:41] I remember looking at it once [05:42] At which point it should be killed. [05:42] yes, the bug can be squashed as invalid [05:43] ajmitch: he should know better, too [05:43] he's a LP guy [05:44] doesn't mean much at all, really :) [05:44] that's true [05:44] Not like he'd necessarily have any FOSS experience. [05:44] Sorry. It couldn't be helped. [05:44] ... [05:44] yes it could === LongPointyStick ponders just closing it anyway [05:45] probably no point, if people are going to file (more) dupes [05:46] Gaaaah [05:48] Yes? [05:48] offsetof() [05:48] LongPointyStick: probably right, I see the 'initial release' on gutsy-changes with Binary: libsvg-dev, libsvg1 [05:49] which means that the Conflicts/Replaces might need to be added to reduce bug count on release day from upgrades [05:52] Oh, I love you dpkg triggers. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:52] StevenK: so great :) [05:52] ajmitch: what fun. patching our packages for third party crap. [05:52] LongPointyStick: hateful, but it can reduce our bug load [05:52] ajmitch: although, wont that then break compatibility with the beryl packages? [05:53] Do we care? We ripped them out of Gutsy. [05:53] StevenK: you took the words out of my mouth... [05:53] OK dumb question time. If I build-dep on linux-headers-generic but need to link in a header file, how the hell do I do that? [05:53] ajmitch: :-) [05:54] StevenK: only maliciously [05:54] bddebian: Use linux-libc-dev? [05:54] StevenK: It's not in there anymore === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:54] LaserJock! [05:54] linux/stddef.h from linux-libc-dev != linux/stddef.h from kernel headers package [05:54] although, really, they need to upgrade their compatibility to ours [05:54] offsetof() is missing in linux-libc-dev [05:55] darn it, can't I lurk in peace? :-) [05:55] You could have if you had stayed quiet ;-P [05:55] LaserJock: you're too popular [05:55] I need some strigi help [05:56] and KDE'ers around? [05:56] *any === ajmitch pokes LongPointyStick [05:56] Hey, it's LaserJock, the famous University lecturer... [05:56] As long as it's KDE3 and it's quick ... === LongPointyStick is heading out, sorry [05:56] ScottK: is a kde-er too [05:56] strigi is taking up 4.3GB of space [05:56] Yes and? [05:57] be glad it's not tracker [05:57] is there a way to tell it what to index and more importantly what *not* to? [05:57] yes [05:57] strigi at least doesn't kill my machine [05:57] LaserJock: Dunno. I removed it. [05:57] the TB voted to keep tracker on by default in gutsy [05:57] Even strigi was killing the ancient machine I have Gutsy on. [05:57] since all the bugs will magically be fixed asap [05:57] StevenK: Did you see those? [05:57] Cool. I want some of that juice. [05:58] bddebian: See what, sorry? [05:58] linux/stddef.h from linux-libc-dev != linux/stddef.h from kernel headers package [05:58] offsetof() is missing in linux-libc-dev [05:58] LaserJock: Strigi seems to be somewhat problematic. I haven't dealt with it. [05:58] Sorry I can't help. [05:58] linux-libc-dev is built by the kernel source. [05:58] bddebian: Bring it up in -kernel [06:02] StevenK: OK, will do tomorrow, thanks === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.96.59] has joined #ubuntu-motu === AstralJava [n=jaska@e82-103-217-184.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:08] Gnight folks [06:09] ajmitch: when did they decide? today? [06:10] ajmitch: as opposed to beagle or no indexing service? [06:11] I don't think there was a tracker vs beagle discussion really [06:11] I think it was probably tracker vs nothing [06:11] ah === zakame [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === alvinc [n=alvinc@c-67-188-127-106.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:12] I like Beagle's interface (maybe I'd like Tracker's - if I could figure it out), but beagle is far far far too much of a resource hog [06:12] I'm kind surprised they stuck with it. mjg59 seemed to dislike it a lot [06:12] and it cause so many problems [06:13] tracker is the new Network Manager ;-) [06:13] I actually don't know how to access a frontend for tracker...help? === POX_ [i=piotr@stallman.rootnode.eu] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:13] LaserJock: what sort of problems? === tonyyarusso still has complaints about N-M, but it mostly gets the job done [06:13] well, it causes my desktop to lock up [06:13] it has lots of IO [06:14] and reduces battery life on laptops [06:14] yes, that's true === tonyyarusso may just disable it and go with 'locate' anyway [06:14] strigi at least seems to behave nicely for me [06:15] with tracker, same time every night it was totally hammering my machine [06:16] bah - would have been a nice birthday gift if someone had cleared out the source packages from the NEW queue so we wouldn't still be in limbo [06:17] LaserJock: yes they decided a few hours ago [06:17] jamiemcc promised that most if not all issues would be fixed by beta [06:18] so they'll have a final decision around then [06:18] hmm, interesting [06:18] so it's really just sick with status quo & reevaluate at beta [06:18] s/sick/stick/g [06:18] right [06:19] it should be pretty easy to remove [06:19] though sick may be appropriate [06:19] heh [06:19] alright, I think I'll ask *gulp* #kubuntu for strigi help [06:20] have fun! === zachy [i=zakame@ubuntu/member/zakame] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RobinD_ [n=robind@69-30-77-125.dq1sn.easystreet.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nicke [n=niclasa@h161n2fls31o808.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-motu === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-101-247.cpe.cableone.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === No1Viking [n=No1Vikin@h-83-140-104-41.auto.rp80.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-65-180.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === woodstoc1 [n=peli@dslb-088-066-005-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === woodstoc1 [n=peli@dslb-088-066-005-183.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === ytojack [n=ytojack@59.35.246.131] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:59] RAOF: Around? === khermans [i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-88415f6ceb8d951a] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === kagou [n=Patrice@86.76.22.72] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Frogzoo_ [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu-motu === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vil [n=lada@ubuntu/member/vil] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-motu === greeneggsnospam [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-motu === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-65-180.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-motu === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.194.173] has joined #ubuntu-motu === bersace [n=bersace@did75-13-82-243-217-90.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === DktrKranz [n=irc@ubuntu/member/dktrkranz] has joined #ubuntu-motu === lukkett1 [n=lukketto@host9-104-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-motu [08:48] motu-uvf has approved bug 139007. is it ok to subscribe ubuntu-archive or do I need to request approval from a MOTU? 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