[02:39] <shirish> Ubulette: you up m8?
[02:41] <shirish> asac: Ubulette: maybe something you guys may be interested as a future project. http://www.netsurf-browser.org/ seems to be a nice browser implementation ;)
[02:43] <shirish> also its in debian, we just need to sync with it http://packages.debian.org/lenny/netsurf
[06:07] <TheMuso> c
[06:07] <TheMuso> ugh
[06:32] <TheMuso> asac: re bug 133360, it seems classpath totally failed to build on all arches. I take it from the last comment, that you uploaded it. I can confirm that it won't build on ppc and i386, and it seems that its trying to find a header that should be present, as its from libxul-dev.
[06:32] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 133360 in classpath "added Xb-Npp-xxx tags accordingly to "firefox distro add-on suport" spec" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133360
[08:57] <Mirv> asac: thanks!
[11:01] <asac> bug 133452
[11:01] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 133452 in flashplugin-nonfree "gutsy amd64: flashplugin-nonfree not working" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133452
[11:14] <asac> TheMuso: was xulrunner updated in the meantime as well?
[11:14] <asac> TheMuso: my classpath upload didn't change anything (i hope)
[11:42] <TheMuso> asac: I don't know if it was updated. The only thing that was changed in the upload you did was what is in the debdiff attached to that bug.
[11:43] <asac> right ... that definitly shouldn't cause the build failure
[11:43] <TheMuso> No. Let me check when xulrunner was lat uploaded.
[11:44] <asac> 2007-08-21
[11:44] <TheMuso> ah ok
[11:44] <asac> hmm
[11:44] <asac> doesn't look like that might be the case either
[11:47] <asac> well classpath upload before the latest was 2007-04-27
[11:47] <asac> ... there have been a lot of xul uploads in between i guess
[11:48] <asac> e.g. previous classpath build against 1.8.0.x ... now we are at 1.8.1.x
[11:48] <TheMuso> Right.
[11:48] <TheMuso> So I'm guessing its a xulrunner issue...
[11:48] <asac> i think we should merge debian classpath?
[11:49] <asac> i think its a classpath issue ... e.g. not yet adapted to build against xulrunner
[11:49] <TheMuso> Ok.
[11:49] <TheMuso> Does that require an UVF?
[11:49] <TheMuso> as in debian having a newer upstream version?
[11:49] <TheMuso> Or will you pick bits from it?
[11:50] <asac> how many rdepends does classpath have?
[11:50] <TheMuso> 9
[11:51] <TheMuso> I think I've got that right.
[11:51] <TheMuso> sorry, seems like the list has dupes for some reaso
[11:51] <TheMuso> reason
[11:53] <TheMuso> Ok, I'd rde rdeps.
[11:53] <asac> apt-cache rdepends classpath-common
[11:54] <TheMuso> libgcj-common conflicts with it, and cacao and jamvm both depend on it.
[11:54] <asac> i think we should try if they can be properly rebuild against latest classpath before uploading and getting UVFe
[11:54] <TheMuso> ok so 4
[11:54] <TheMuso> Right.
[01:10] <asac> TheMuso: do you want to take care? e.g. bugging motu about this or doing tests and preparing merge et al?
[01:15] <paran> asac: ping
[01:16] <asac> paran: pong
[01:17] <paran> asac: about your comment on bug 133452, I don't think any special handling is necessary. the prerm-script always seems to remove both alternatives (non wrapped and wrapper plugin)
[01:17] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 133452 in flashplugin-nonfree "gutsy amd64: flashplugin-nonfree not working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133452
[01:18] <paran> asac: the upgrade instead breaks because of some nasty bugs in update-alternatives itself
[01:18] <asac> paran: why not?
[01:18] <asac> paran: ah ok ... right i just removed both ... :)
[01:18] <asac> paran: let me take a quick look if its true
[01:18] <paran> asac: the incorrect alternative will always be removed using update-alternatives --remove
[01:19] <asac> ok right we try to remove both alternatives on all archs
[01:19] <asac> good
[01:19] <asac> paran: so it still breaks?
[01:20] <asac> someone suggested to run update-alternatives --auto once after installing those alternatives
[01:20] <asac> no idea if that makes sense or fixes our issues
[01:20] <paran> asac: yes unfortunately
[01:20] <paran> when the last alternative is removed it seems that it is not removed from the alternatives system.
[01:20] <paran> what is worse is that the alternative is changed from auto to manual
[01:21] <paran> so when the correct alternative is added later it will not get changed
[01:21] <asac> hmm ... can we see if there is no alternative left (e.g. by --list?)
[01:21] <asac> and then try to do some smart manual stuff to fix it?
[01:22] <paran> yes, you could run update-alterntives --remove-all, manually when there is no alternatives left
[01:22] <asac> will this remove it for real?
[01:22] <paran> yup
[01:23] <paran> but then off course you should chech using --list before doing that :)
[01:23] <paran> however this is a ugly hack, it would be much better if update-alternatives did the right thing
[01:23] <asac> ok so something like update-alternative --list $app-flashplugin | grep -c == 0 -> update-alternatives --remove-all $app-flashplugin might work?
[01:25] <asac> i think we want the ugly hack + a bug against update-alternatives
[01:25] <asac> i will add that hack for gnash as well then
[01:27] <asac> paran: do you want to file these two bugs against dpkg?
[01:28] <asac> e.g. 1. "update-alternative --remove doesn't remove alternative completely when removing the last installed alternative"
[01:28] <paran> yeah, I'l deffinately file a bug
[01:28] <asac> 2. "update-alternative --remove switches to manual mode when last alternative is removed from system"
[01:28] <paran> I will reasearch it a little more first, to try to figure out what is going on
[01:28] <asac> paran: thanks ... if you have those bugs let me know so i can bug iwj about it
[01:30] <asac> paran: will you update the debdiff and add --remove-all ?
[01:34] <paran> asac: I could do that, but I won't have time today I think. would need some testing together with gnash to make sure it works as expected
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[02:02] <Batelje> hi
[02:02] <Batelje> i need sme help from you guys ...
[02:02] <asac> paran: ok ... i can wait another day or two i guess ;)
[02:03] <asac> paran: if you cannot work on it, just let me know ... then I would do it :/
[02:03] <asac> Batelje: just ask ;)
[02:03] <Batelje> my firefox closes by himself , i opend it via the terminal and it says 'bus error (core dumped)'
[02:03] <Batelje> i also have thids problem by epiphany
[02:03] <asac> Batelje: gnome?
[02:03] <asac> Batelje: in gutsy? or feisty?
[02:04] <Batelje> yes gnome , feisty fawn
[02:04] <asac> Batelje: reproducible? or just coincidentially?
[02:04] <asac> Batelje: try to start firefox in safe mode from terminal:
[02:04] <asac> firefox -safe-mode
[02:04] <Batelje> he always closes when i typed in a url and he is loading the page
[02:04] <asac> does that help?
[02:04] <Batelje> lets see...
[02:05] <Batelje> nope , same problem
[02:09] <Batelje> ow yeah , it happens everythime since 2 days ago
[02:09] <Batelje> so reproducible
[02:10] <asac> Batelje: what plugins do you use?
[02:11] <asac> Batelje: please try if this happens with a new user account as well
[02:11] <asac> (or backup your $HOME/.mozilla directory and move it away before starting firefox ... so you get a fresh profile)
[02:12] <Batelje> ok i will try that second one first
[02:13] <Batelje> what do i need to delete ? the plugins ?
[02:14] <asac> try to move away the whole .mozilla directory first
[02:14] <asac> if that helps remove all content of .mozilla/plugins/
[02:19] <paran> asac: ok, I'l try to get it done tomorrow. in the mean time you could perhaps bug somebody to fix bug 138145 as that is also blocking flash on amd64 :)
[02:19] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 138145 in ia32-libs "missing ia32 libXcomposite" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138145
[02:20] <asac> paran: so that is an issue?
[02:20] <asac> ok will bug bryce
[02:24] <paran> asac: yup, it needs 32bit libXcomposite to work. is should be quite simple to add libxcomposite1 to the list of packages that ia32-libs is built from
[03:12] <asac> paran: still there? any idea why libXcomposite is not missing or now needed (as it appeared to work before) ?
[03:12] <asac> s/not/now/
[03:34] <asac> paran: bug 138145 is fixed
[03:34] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 138145 in ia32-libs "missing ia32 libXcomposite" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138145
[04:01] <paran> asac: not sure I understand your question... the ia32-libs-bug was fixed today, after I told you :)
[04:02] <asac> i had no question
[04:02] <asac> just stated that it was fixed
[04:03] <paran> "any idea why libXcomposite is not missing or now needed (as it appeared to work before) ?"
[04:19] <Chipzz> asac: what I was mentioning used to be a bug in older ubuntu releases
[04:20] <Chipzz> though it may have been fixed in the meanwhile
[04:20] <asac> Chipzz: so network-manager didn't work?
[04:20] <Chipzz> not using nm at all ;)
[04:20] <asac> Chipzz: so what didn't work before you used /e/n/i ?
[04:20] <Chipzz> this install is from before ubuntu used n,
[04:20] <Chipzz> nm
[04:21] <asac> because you mentioned that something else didn't work
[04:21] <Chipzz> yeah
[04:21] <Chipzz> manually setting the essid/key
[04:21] <asac> ok
[04:21] <Chipzz> ie doing iwconfig eth1 essid foo; iwconfig eth1 key bar
[04:21] <asac> then lets go back to that square
[04:21] <asac> comment out all eth1 entries in /e/n/i
[04:21] <asac> and do it that way
[04:22] <asac> with debug_level=65535
[04:22] <Chipzz> I vaguely recall seeing something in a changelog which could indicate that has been fixed in the meanwhile
[04:22] <asac> changelog of which package?
[04:23] <Chipzz> heh
[04:23] <Chipzz> linux-image iirc
[04:23] <asac> ok
[04:23] <Chipzz> ok this is *weird*
[04:23] <asac> please test if it works manually ... and if not caputre the log ;)
[04:25] <Chipzz> root@Vertex:~# iwconfig eth1 essid nighty ; iwconfig eth1 | grep 'Access Point' Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.437 GHz  Access Point: 00:14:BF:A5:49:52
[04:25] <Chipzz> root@Vertex:~# iwconfig eth1 essid chipzz ; iwconfig eth1 | grep 'Access Point' Mode:Managed  Channel=0  Access Point: Not-Associated
[04:25] <Chipzz> root@Vertex:~# iwconfig eth1 | grep 'Access Point' Mode:Managed  Frequency:2.467 GHz  Access Point: 00:13:10:92:E4:0F
[04:25] <Chipzz> both AP's have a WEP key
[04:25] <Chipzz> and I did not use any iwconfig eth1 key commands in between
[04:25] <Chipzz> how on earth is that possible???
[04:26] <asac> Chipzz: afaik you can associate with WEP
[04:26] <asac> without key
[04:26] <asac> however your packages won't be understood
[04:27] <Chipzz> asac: as long as I recall, I did not get associated with an AP at all as long as I didn't set a key :)
[04:27] <Chipzz> ok lets check
[04:27] <asac> well ... that might be something different.
[04:27] <asac> please capture a log from that
[04:27] <asac> e.g. start wiht essid any
[04:27] <asac> observe that it doesn't auto associate
[04:27] <asac> then run iwconfig eth1 essid nighty
[04:27] <asac> and wait till you are associated with the access point
[04:30] <Chipzz> heh
[04:30] <Chipzz> commented out all eth1 related entries in /e/n/i
[04:30] <Chipzz> ran rmmod ipw2200 ; modprobe ipw2200
[04:30] <Chipzz> get associated with the wrong AP again
[04:33] <asac> Chipzz: you have the log of that?
[04:33] <asac> try to modprobe ipw{2100,2200,3945} debug=1 debug_level=65535
[04:34] <asac> (unless you have setup that module config in sysctl.conf)
[04:34] <asac> Chipzz: did you run iwconfig at all?
[04:34] <Chipzz> nope
[04:34] <asac> ok so its just auto associating
[04:34] <Chipzz> well, just "iwconfig eth1" to look at which ap it's associated
[04:34] <asac> can you please modprobe ipw2200 associate=0
[04:35] <asac> yes ... pleae load the module with associate=0 and debug_level=655... like above
[04:35] <asac> and if it still happens bring the syslog up
[04:35] <Chipzz> ok lets see
[04:37] <Chipzz> hrrrmk
[04:37] <Chipzz> [ 2358.328000]  ipw2200: Unknown parameter `debug_level'
[04:37] <Chipzz> [ 2371.388000]  ipw2200: Unknown parameter `debuglevel'
[04:37] <Chipzz> shall I google it or do you know the correct parameter off-hand? :)
[04:38] <asac> hmm
[04:38] <asac> just debug?
[04:42] <Chipzz> that works
[04:42] <asac> Chipzz: its just debug=655..
[04:42] <asac> yes
[04:42] <asac> ok will update the wiki
[04:42] <Chipzz> anyway, not reproducable atm anymore
[04:42] <Chipzz> *sigh* :)
[04:42] <asac> Chipzz: with associate=0 ?
[04:42] <Chipzz> with or without that
[04:43] <asac> try with associate=1
[04:43] <asac> Chipzz: do you have a open network at hand?
[04:43] <asac> its far better to observe association bugs there
[04:44] <asac> WEP isn't any different ... except the key
[04:45] <Chipzz> asac: I think I know why I'm not seeing it anymore
[04:45] <Chipzz> the FON_ network doesn't occur in the ipw_best_network scan list anymore
[04:45] <Chipzz> also not seeing it in iwlist scan
[04:48] <asac> Chipzz: you know how to capture a good log ... whenever you can reproduce and capture such a log please open a bug and state what you did at which point of time ;)
[04:48] <asac> i already see a bunch of issues in the drivber
[04:48] <asac> but unless you have a real/reproducible issue, it doesn't make sense to push a test patch to you ;)
[04:52] <Chipzz> ok :)
[06:51] <cwong1> asac_:   hi, did you have chance to look into the menupopup today?
[06:53] <asac_> cwong1: look at WORKING ;)
[06:53] <asac_> just define <menupopup>s with class="hildonmenu"
[06:53] <cwong1> k
[07:35] <Ubulette> hi
[07:45] <asac> Ubulette: hi
[07:46] <shirish> asac: hi
[07:47] <Ubulette> hi all
[07:47] <shirish> hey, cool, so what's up guys?
[07:47] <Ubulette> not much here.
[07:48] <shirish> Ubulette: btw did you checkout the link I gave yesterday?
[07:48] <Ubulette> shirish, if you're a web developer, you can try ff-trunk-venkman
[07:48] <Ubulette> in my repo
[07:49] <shirish> Ubulette: unfortunately not a web-developer, what does the ff-trunk-venkman fork has?
[07:49] <Ubulette> it's a javascript/xul debugger
[07:50] <shirish> that's cool, is that something which would be shipped by mozilla in the main-stream or is this which would be on the sidelines till some time to come?
[07:51] <Ubulette> it's part of mozilla
[07:52] <shirish> ok that's cool then, but unfortunately not a web-developer, just a user who's curious ;)
[07:52] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3-venkman.png
[07:52] <Ubulette> http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tmp/ff3-venkman-2.png
[07:54] <asac> i am out for a whil ... will be back later though
[07:54] <shirish> asac: take care
[07:54] <shirish> Ubulette: cool pics.
[07:55] <shirish> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/venkman/ that's the project & it has been since ff 2.0 it seems.
[07:55] <Ubulette> even since 0.9
[07:56] <Ubulette> not sure it was packaged before
[07:56] <Ubulette> maybe it was
[07:57] <Ubulette> well, project has been lost for a while and moz guys just resurrected it for ff3
[07:58] <shirish> aha, ok that's why I didn't come to know of it.
[07:58] <shirish> also the UI seems to be something of 80's or something.
[08:00] <Ubulette> well, it's functional
[08:02] <shirish> true
[08:03] <shirish> Ubulette: are there any bugs which you reported to something, which you want to get confirmed one way or the other?
[08:03] <shirish> Ubulette: bored to death today ;)
[08:04] <Ubulette> still the flash audio not stopped when pressing back
[08:07] <shirish> ah, yes, but that is with the flashplugin-nonfree i take
[08:08] <Ubulette> well, if appeared recently in trunk and i haven't touched my flash setup
[08:08] <Ubulette> -if+it
[08:10] <shirish> but you have been using flashplugin-nonfree or gnash or swfdec?
[08:11] <shirish> and a totally off-topic thing is there any free/open source game that you like/play?
[08:11] <shirish> by free and open source I mean the game is under a GPL license.
[08:12] <Ubulette> could you try to play today's track on http://chinesepod.com/ then wait a couple of seconds and hit the back button ?
[08:13] <shirish> ok will do
[08:23] <Ubulette_> gasp, i hate that daily disconnection
[08:33] <Ubulette_> shirish, did it work for you ?
[08:33] <shirish> oops, forgot all about it, hang on
[08:35] <shirish> Ubulette_: on my system, the lesson doesn't play at all  (using swfdec) ;(
[08:35] <shirish> :(
[08:35] <Ubulette_> hmm. thanks anyway
[08:35] <Ubulette_> asac, xul ships tons of .a so dbgsym is not very useful here
[08:37] <Ubulette_> asac, did you have a chance to discuss with benjamin ?
[08:37] <shirish> Ubulette_: completely sorry, it just somehow just went out of my mind, have been trying to find some educational games for my 7 yr. old niece, other than the gcompris & childsplay (but in free software domain)
[08:38] <Ubulette_> sorry, no idea
[08:39] <jneves> hi - I was looking for the debs for seamonkey
[08:39] <jneves> I'm assuming that's enough to use a mozilla suite profile, or am I wrong?
[08:41] <Ubulette> jneves, we have iceape
[08:41] <jneves> Ubulette: only in gutsy...
[08:41] <jneves> I need it for feisty...
[08:41] <Ubulette> use our ppa
[08:41] <Ubulette> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[08:42] <jneves> Ubulette: thanks - it looks like what I was looking for :D
[08:42] <Ubulette> you're welcome
[09:37] <Ubulette> asac, we discuss branch renaming whenever you want :)
[09:38] <Ubulette> I'm creating a firefox.dev.video branch locally
[10:15] <bluekuja> asac: was looking at u-u-s queue
[10:15] <bluekuja> I see two packages you uploaded
[10:15] <bluekuja> still on fix committed
[10:15] <bluekuja> and one FTBFS I guess
[10:16] <bluekuja> same for the other
[10:16] <bluekuja> hjmf, any explanation?
[10:25] <fuoco> where are the minefield or trunk packages?
[10:25] <Ubulette> ppa
[10:25] <fuoco> ?
[10:26] <Ubulette> https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive
[10:26] <Ubulette> Personal Package Archive
[10:26] <fuoco> ah thx
[10:26] <fuoco> :)
[10:27] <fuoco> any idea at which specific day a8 will be out?
[10:27] <Ubulette> (we're behind because our ppa maintainer is not available at the moment)
[10:27] <Ubulette> a8 is late
[10:28] <Ubulette> http://developer.mozilla.org/devnews/index.php/2007/09/10/firefox-trunk-to-stay-frozen-for-m8-a-little-bit-longer/
[10:30] <fuoco> so the last is from 0829, is that right?
[10:31] <Ubulette> in the ppa, yes.
[10:32] <Ubulette> do you need something fresher ?
[10:32] <Ubulette> fuoco ?
[10:33] <fuoco> well, i'm using only a7 now, but i have quite a few problems, i wanted to know how it's coming along with bugfixes, and i assume the bugfixes are mostly the very fresh stuff
[10:33] <fuoco> after the feature freeze especially
[10:33] <Ubulette> what's your arch ?
[10:34] <fuoco> powerpc
[10:34] <Ubulette> hmm, i can't help with debs then. I build daily minefields but for i386
[10:35] <fuoco> yeah i build my own anyways, but i like to use the closest to official package source
[10:35] <Ubulette> you can grab the .dev branches of xul and firefox then
[10:35] <Ubulette> that's what i maintain here
[10:36] <Ubulette> that gets dumped to .trunk about every week
[10:36] <fuoco> why do i need xul?
[10:36] <Ubulette> then end up in granparadiso
[10:36] <fuoco> heh, i just thought xul is for compiling other stuff against gecko, no ?
[10:37] <Ubulette> because with now uses that. ff is now small using xul that is shared with other xul apps
[10:38] <fuoco> wow, that's a packaging change or upstream?
[10:39] <Ubulette> just packaging change for us, upstream build system is capable of doing so
[10:39] <fuoco> and that will stick through the next releases of granparadiso and eventually ff3?
[10:40] <Ubulette> hopefully for gp a8, yes
[10:40] <Ubulette> (starting to)
[10:40] <fuoco> very cool
[10:41] <Ubulette> i'm working on kazehakase and songbird for use this xul too
[10:42] <Ubulette> well, slow progress to tell the (sad) truth. lack of time mostly, and that's a huge work
[10:44] <Ubulette> fuoco, if you need the tarballs to build the .dev branches, there're there: http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/tarballs/
[10:44] <Ubulette> ff now uses stripped sources (as most are no longer needed as they are for xul now)
[10:45] <fuoco> the latest stuff right ?
[10:46] <Ubulette> regarding packaging, yes.
[10:46] <Ubulette> for sources, you can get fresher ones and just bump changelog
[10:47] <Ubulette> fetch my mozclient branch to build uptodate tarballs
[10:47] <fuoco> ok
[10:47] <Ubulette> https://code.launchpad.net/~fta
[10:48] <Ubulette> (I should really write an howto for that...)
[10:49] <fuoco> i should apply also the powerpc fix i suppose
[10:50] <Ubulette> hmm, it should be in already
[10:50] <Ubulette> let me check
[10:51] <Ubulette> yes, xul.dev commit #14
[10:52] <fuoco> is this thing any stabler than alpha7 in your experience ?
[10:52] <Ubulette> i'm happy with it
[10:53] <Ubulette> i'm no longer using anything else
[10:53] <fuoco> trunk you mean?
[10:53] <Ubulette> yes (in fact my daily builds using *.dev branches)
[10:55] <fuoco> Ubulette: is this what you use actually? http://www.sofaraway.org/ubuntu/minirepos/firefox-minefield/pool/firefox-trunk/
[10:56] <Ubulette> yes
[10:56] <fuoco> so i can use the .dsc file to rebuild the same one for my arch - it's extremely simple
[10:57] <Ubulette> try and tell me :)
[10:57] <fuoco> will do
[10:58] <Ubulette> (hmm, my bot forgot .changes files behind.. I need to fix that)
[10:59] <fuoco> lol yeah
[10:59] <Ubulette> fuoco, one detail though. you'll get versioning from my bot.
[10:59] <fuoco> yeah i noticed...
[10:59] <fuoco> do you have a record of how long the compile takes on your machine?
[11:00] <Ubulette> either you keep that or you change it back
[11:00] <Ubulette> 1 hour for xul, 1 minute for ff3 :)
[11:00] <fuoco> 1 minute???
[11:00] <Ubulette> yep
[11:01] <fuoco> what system is that ?
[11:01] <fuoco> 1 hour is also very short i think, no?
[11:01] <Ubulette> remember everything is in xul
[11:01] <fuoco> i don't have much experience with ff building
[11:02] <Ubulette> in fact, xul takes between ~47min and 55min
[11:02] <Ubulette> it's not even a fast pc
[11:03] <Ubulette> amd64 3200+ running gutsy i386
[11:04] <fuoco> not too slow i suppose either :)
[11:05] <Ubulette> slower than my core2 at home
[11:06] <Ubulette> fuoco, you need to build xul 1st
[11:06] <fuoco> yeah i know
[11:06] <fuoco> :)
[11:06] <Ubulette> ok
[11:14] <asac> this connection is just a mess
[11:14] <Ubulette> :)
[11:14] <asac> bluekuja: yes right
[11:14] <asac> bluekuja: i think hjmf mark them fix released
[11:15] <bluekuja> asac: also if they are both FTBFS?
[11:15] <bluekuja> (all archs)
[11:15] <asac> ah classpath
[11:15] <asac> right
[11:15] <asac> of coruse not
[11:15] <Ubulette> asac, i'm already sick with just 1 reset per day so i feel bad for you :P
[11:15] <asac> bluekuja: what about the other?
[11:16] <asac> Ubulette: the bad thing is that it always happens at bad times
[11:16] <asac> e.g. when in an irc meeting
[11:16] <bluekuja> asac: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/helix-player/1.0.8-2ubuntu1
[11:16] <asac> Ubulette: i consider to drop dsl and just go umts or something
[11:17] <Ubulette> no ftth in your area ?
[11:18] <Ubulette> lol
[11:18] <bluekuja> asac: classpath is failed too
[11:20] <fuoco> Ubulette: i need libnspr updated package too ?
[11:20] <Ubulette> you need at least the version in the ppa
[11:20] <Ubulette> or mine
[11:20] <Ubulette> as you prefer
[11:21] <bluekuja> gnight all
[11:21] <bluekuja> cu tomorrow
[11:22] <Ubulette> asac, I'm testing the video element patch right now.
[11:23] <Ubulette> it's a huge patch for xul
[11:23] <Ubulette> only
[11:23] <Ubulette> huge because of the 3rd party libs
[11:24] <Ubulette> if it works well, i'll patch it to use --with-system-whatever as it seems we have everything in gutsy
[11:24] <Ubulette> and the drop the 3rd party patch
[11:24] <Ubulette> saving us a 14M patch
[11:25] <Ubulette> before you jump, it's in a different branch at the moment
[11:27] <asac_> ok tomorrow i will call my isp
[11:27] <Ubulette> hm, what was the last line you saw ?
[11:27] <asac_> if i can't find a solution for this then there will be more terror in this world ;)
[11:28] <asac_> i saw nothing :/
[11:28] <asac_> 23:15 < Ubulette> no ftth in your area ?
[11:28] <asac_> 23:17 < asac> ftth?
[11:28] <asac_> 23:17 < asac> i doubt there is ;) otherwise i would have heard of it
[11:28] <asac_> 23:17 < asac> university is over the street and i could use their wifi ;) ... but would need to get an  account from somewhere :)
[11:28] <asac_> 23:19 < asac> bluekuja: hmm is there a new debian version for helix?
[11:28] <asac_> 23:20 < asac> wow p.d.o got a face lift
[11:28] <asac_> 23:20 < asac> http://packages.debian.org/helix-player
[11:28] <asac_> 23:25 < asac_> ok tomorrow i will call my isp
[11:28] <Ubulette> ftth = fiber to the home
[11:28] <asac_> i doubt there is
 no ftth in your area ?
[11:28] <Ubulette> * asac_ has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host))
 lol
 asac: classpath is failed too
 Ubulette: i need libnspr updated package too ?
 you need at least the version in the ppa
 or mine
 as you prefer
[11:29] <asac_> never heard of anything within reasonable price range
 gnight all
 cu tomorrow
[11:29] <Ubulette> * bluekuja has quit ("Sto andando via")
 asac, I'm testing the video element patch right now.
 it's a huge patch for xul
 only
 huge because of the 3rd party libs
 if it works well, i'll patch it to use --with-system-whatever as it seems we have everything in gutsy
[11:29] <asac_> thanks for the service ;)
 and the drop the 3rd party patch
 saving us a 14M patch
 before you jump, it's in a different branch at the moment
[11:29] <Ubulette> * asac_ (n=asac@debian/developer/asac) has joined #ubuntu-mozillateam
 ok tomorrow i will call my isp
[11:29] <Ubulette> between 30E and 45E per month here
[11:29] <asac_> yeah
[11:30] <asac_> i live in the center of the second biggest city in germany
[11:30] <asac_> we don't have something like this here
[11:30] <asac_> i know about sattelite cities that have such a thing
[11:30] <asac_> e.g. my parents at least have a 4Mbit/s synchronous cable thing
[11:30] <asac_> but i won't move outside the city because of this :)
[11:31] <Ubulette> ffth is 100Mbit/s over a 1G fiber
[11:31] <asac_> more likely i will move out of this country :)
[11:31] <asac_> yeah france is ahead of everything afaik
[11:31] <Ubulette> lol, no
[11:31] <Ubulette> japan is
[11:31] <asac_> i think stockholm has it
[11:31] <asac_> as well
[11:31] <asac_> ... well tokio is no option for me :)
[11:32] <asac_> problem her is that its getting worse
[11:32] <asac_> i am at the only isp that has one month cancellation ... there is no other provider that has less than 24 month otherwise
[11:33] <asac_> i cannot commit to 24 month
[11:33] <asac_> at least if there is no guarantee that i won't get disconnected like today
[11:33] <asac_> ok back to topic
[11:33] <asac_> what are those depends?
[11:33] <Ubulette> depends of ?
[11:34] <asac> video
[11:35] <Ubulette> fishsound ogg oggplay oggz speex theora vorbis
[11:35] <Ubulette> the author bundled all those libs
[11:36] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 bbot bbot 14637436 Sep 12 20:18 bz382267_video_element_3rd_party_modules.patch
[11:36] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 bbot bbot   224474 Sep 12 20:30 bz382267_video_element_4th_version.patch
[11:36] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 bbot bbot   328978 Sep 12 21:33 99_configure.patch
[11:36] <Ubulette> why configure diffs are always so big :O
[11:37] <Ubulette> asac, u gone once again ?
[11:42] <asac> n o
[11:42] <asac> here
[11:42] <asac> reading stuff about connection alternatives
[11:43] <asac> Ubulette: did this guy ship 99_confiugre.patch?
[11:43] <Ubulette> no
[11:43] <Ubulette> i did it
[11:43] <asac> a<h ok
[11:43] <Ubulette> as he patched configure.in
[11:43] <Ubulette> obviously :)
[11:43] <asac> actually i have no idea ... afaik its always just the line numbers for error messages
[11:43] <asac> no idea if one can disable that
[11:44] <asac> e.g. don't include line numbers at all
[11:44] <asac> but i doub t it
[11:45] <asac> its really sucky
[11:45] <Ubulette> yeah, that and tons of:
[11:45] <Ubulette> -    cd $ac_popdir
[11:45] <Ubulette> +    cd "$ac_popdir"
[11:45] <asac> the problem here (why there is no progress with broadband)
[11:45] <asac> is because the former monopoly refuses to invest because it is forced to sell to competitors at huge discounts
[11:46] <asac> so they say: "investing billions just to give competitors cheap broadband isn't worth it"
[11:46] <asac> so no fiber ... nothing until regulation stops
[11:46] <Ubulette> same in all countries with a "historical" telco
[11:46] <Ubulette> france included
[11:47] <asac> well ... but i guess france is even more regulated :)... so they can still be forced to invest ;)
[11:47] <asac> otherwise i have no idea why france has this broadband thing
[11:48] <Ubulette> competition
[11:48] <asac> yeah ... so you are more deregulated or what?
[11:48] <Ubulette> 3 operators are fighting hard for this
[11:49] <asac> thats good
[11:49] <Ubulette> fiber is a new market
[11:49] <asac> has france telecom split up?
[11:49] <Ubulette> no
[11:49] <asac> then i don't understand how there can be more competition then here
[11:49] <Ubulette> hard regulation and even harder competition
[11:49] <asac> our competitors depend on deutsche-telecom reselling ...
[11:50] <asac> so deutsche telekom says: why shall we invest :)
[11:50] <Ubulette> competition depends less and less of FT
[11:50] <asac> thats good
[11:50] <asac> i think this will only happen here when dt is split up
[11:51] <asac> actually here in hamburg there is competition
[11:51] <asac> (i am at a competitor who has its own network)
[11:51] <asac> but you see what happens ;)
[11:51] <Ubulette> :)
[11:52] <asac> well lets see ... if connection would be stable then i would be more than happy with what i have atm
[11:52] <asac> just stable please ;)
[11:52] <asac> so tomorrow i call my telco ... ask them to send a new modem
[11:53] <Ubulette> good luck
[11:53] <asac> its not a matter of luck
[11:53] <asac> but a matter of stamina ;)
[11:53] <asac> the harder you can shout at the telephone ... the more you get
[11:56] <fuoco> what's this firefox journal thing
[11:56] <Ubulette> ?
[11:56] <Ubulette> what ? where ?
[11:57] <fuoco> here it is
[11:57] <fuoco> http://clarkbw.net/blog/2007/09/12/firefox-journal/
[12:00] <fuoco> sounds interesting
[12:03] <Ubulette> i have 47 tabs right now, i doubt it will produce something good
[12:04] <fuoco> how do you deal with so many, is it not extremely slow ?
[12:06] <gnomefreak> hi im not really back nor myself :(
[12:07] <gnomefreak> im home and feeling better but still have a long way to go from what dr. says
[12:08] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, welcome back
[12:08] <Ubulette> glad to see you're better
[12:08] <gnomefreak> ty
[12:09] <gnomefreak> me too but if it does get worse ill be gone for a long time as they will have to remove half stomach (its not what was told i had for last month)
[12:10] <gnomefreak> 280+ updates not one a mozilla update ;)
[12:12] <asac> hi
[12:12] <asac> sometimes no news is good news ;)
[12:12] <asac> (e.g. no package update)
[12:12] <gnomefreak> thats true
[12:13] <asac> gnomefreak: get a second opinion in any case iwould say
[12:14] <asac> the difference from a normal doctor and a bright doctor can be gigantic
[12:14] <gnomefreak> true
[12:15] <gnomefreak> the first hospital said when i get out NO NSAIDS my dr read that and put me on one anyway caused a bad ulcer that almost needed surgery right away
[12:15] <gnomefreak> openoffice.org-officebean << scares me badly
[12:15] <asac> gnomefreak: i would change doctors ... i mean its too critical to accept any mistake of that magnitude
[12:16] <gnomefreak> i agree
[12:16] <gnomefreak> also ntfs-3g scares me that it is installed with one of the -desktop packages i think
[12:16] <asac> hmm
[12:16] <asac> i think its because of the wubi installer
[12:17] <gnomefreak> wubi?
[12:17] <asac> yeah a windows installer
[12:17] <TheMuso> asac: I'd  be happy to do the merge for classpath. Anything in particular I need to watch out for?
[12:17] <gnomefreak> oh yuck
[12:17] <asac> that allows you to install from windows
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ah that is was a riddell thing at one point
[12:17] <asac> e.g. punch in cd ... install ubuntu into a file based fs
[12:18] <gnomefreak> i remember the start of talking about that
[12:18] <asac> yeah we had discussion about that in seville
[12:18] <asac> there were multiple options
[12:18] <gnomefreak> so i guess we support it now?
[12:18] <asac> wubi is not from riddel
[12:18] <asac> apparently yes.
[12:18] <gnomefreak> he was working on kubuntu one iirc
[12:18] <asac> TheMuso: just remember to add the Npp-: entires in control
[12:19] <asac> e.g. the ones i added in last upload that caused all this
[12:19] <TheMuso> asac: Yep sure.
[12:19] <asac> TheMuso: but maybe try if it builds at all before you put effort in it
[12:19] <TheMuso> asac: Of course
[12:19] <asac> gnomefreak: i think it should be possible now :/
[12:20] <gnomefreak> possible i agree safe eh
[12:20] <gnomefreak> !ntfs
[12:20] <Ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[12:21] <gnomefreak> !ntfs-3g
[12:21] <Ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[12:21] <TheMuso> asac: I'll see about gettin an UVF if one is needed, and this even works, but would you like to have a look before it gets uploaded? I can upload, but just want to be sure I haven't missed anything.
[12:21] <asac> TheMuso: if it works, just let me know ... i can get the UVF and do the upload et al
[12:21] <gnomefreak> asac: did you work out iceape or do i need to do something later this week? i might do it tomorrow if i feel up to it
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: i am lost ... i don't know about iceape state at al
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: what was the latest state?
[12:22] <asac> gnomefreak: did you manage to cleanup before you left?
[12:23] <asac> or did i say that i would do it?
[12:23] <asac> if i said that then i will do
[12:23] <gnomefreak> asac: everything should be fine im not sure what you wanted cleaned. afaik what you are seeing is just the commit messages lacking/added text
[12:24] <gnomefreak> the changelog and everything else should be good to go. all i remember is it was missing the patch and i added it
[12:24] <gnomefreak> the commit messages were the way they are due to the way i was feeling when wrote them
[12:24] <asac> gnomefreak: last i see here is: debian/changelog: document 1.1.4-1ubuntu2 gutsy upload
[12:24] <asac> (revision 91)
[12:24] <asac> is that uploaded?
[12:25] <gnomefreak> but it should as is build for (whatever arch it was)
[12:25] <gnomefreak> let me check
[12:25] <asac> no it isn't
[12:25] <TheMuso> asac: You asked me if I woudl bug MOTU/prepare a merge ee.
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i have your branch here with a bunch of commits i did on top
[12:25] <TheMuso> So I don't mind doing a merge/UVF.
[12:25] <asac> gnomefreak: i think i cleaned up and just forgot to upload
[12:26] <gnomefreak> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~gnomefreak/iceape/ubuntu-1.1.x
[12:26] <gnomefreak> asac: i dont see your commits there
[12:26] <gnomefreak> and yes changelog ubuntu2
[12:26] <asac> ok i did the autoconf run
[12:26] <asac> ok
[12:26] <asac> which you didn't succeed to do ... now that i remember
[12:26] <asac> let me push this to mt
[12:27] <asac> ok pushed rev 91 to mt branch
[12:27] <gnomefreak> after fixing the patch i ran it again (removing junk from patch) and it said it succedeed to update and was fine (i didnt open patch to look at it since i most likely wouldnt beable to tell the difference)
[12:28] <gnomefreak> i will merge from there tonight or tomorrow
[12:28] <asac> yes
[12:28] <asac> i will upload it now
[12:28] <asac> i now remember that your problem was that you didn't apply the patch before the 99_configure patch
[12:28] <asac> which is why your configure patch update was just void
[12:28] <fuoco> should i remove granparadiso before installing minefield from your packages ?
[12:29] <asac> (you applied it afterwards)
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ah after changing the patch i dont think i did apply it :(
[12:29] <asac> fuoco: i think they have separate profile directories ... so no ... you should be able to install both at the same time
[12:29] <asac> gnomefreak: yes probably
[12:29] <gnomefreak> minefeild?
[12:29] <asac> anyway i will do the upload now
[12:29] <asac> gnomefreak: trunk
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ok ty
[12:29] <asac> == minefield
[12:29] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:29] <gnomefreak> used to be for 2.0 beta
[12:30] <gnomefreak> ;)
[12:30] <gnomefreak> granparadiso now replaces the name minefeild doesnt it?
[12:30] <gnomefreak> for this release atleast
[12:30] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... minefield is trunk
[12:30] <asac> granparadiso is codename for 3.0
[12:30] <gnomefreak> ah
[12:30] <asac> bonecho was codename for 2.0
[12:30] <asac> and deerpark for 1.5
[12:30] <gnomefreak> now i remember
[12:30] <asac> can't remember what 1.0 was
[12:31] <asac> aviary ;)
[12:31] <asac> right
[12:31] <gnomefreak> old ;)
[12:31] <Ubulette> asac, I need some help for git
[12:31] <asac> Ubulette: i am not really a git expert ... but give it a try ;)
[12:32] <Ubulette> asac, the guy maintains a full trunk patched with his video stuff
[12:32] <asac> ok
[12:32] <Ubulette> he extracted the 2 patches i've mentioned earlier
[12:32] <asac> you have a link? to the git repo?
[12:32] <Ubulette> now, i need the lastest versions of those 2
[12:32] <gnomefreak> yay redirect works again
[12:32] <Ubulette> latest
[12:33] <Ubulette> http://www.double.co.nz/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=video.git;a=summary
[12:33] <gnomefreak> ok off to get drugs ill try to stop back by and read mail before bed.
[12:33] <asac> gnomefreak: uploaded
[12:33] <Ubulette> he tagged patch4 already 5 weeks ago
[12:33] <gnomefreak> asac: ty
[12:33] <asac> if it fails to build or something critical bug me please
[12:34] <fuoco> Ubulette: you should have told me i need to get nspr and nss before xul :)
[12:34] <Ubulette> asac, I can just grab the part that failed to build but I'd better sync the whole stuff
[12:35] <Ubulette> fuoco, oh, i thought you knew, sorry :P
[12:35] <Ubulette> nspr is fast
[12:35] <asac> he? apt-get should just pull things in, right?
[12:35] <asac> Ubulette: i don't understand what you ask :) ... you want to get what?
[12:36] <fuoco> Ubulette: still, i wasted twice xul just to find out the missing stuff :)
[12:36] <fuoco> asac: i'm building from source
[12:36] <Ubulette> fuoco, sorry
[12:36] <fuoco> Ubulette: lol
[12:36] <asac> fuoco: k
[12:37] <asac> Ubulette: ok i didn't see that he has a pristine upstream branch
[12:37] <Ubulette> asac, i want to extract the latest patches
[12:37] <asac> you can just diff those two
[12:37] <Ubulette> I want the two patches
[12:37] <asac> two?
[12:37] <Ubulette> yep
[12:37] <Ubulette> 3rd party and the really video stuff
[12:38] <Ubulette> 3rd party, i hope to drop it
[12:38] <Ubulette> it's a 14M patch
[12:38] <asac> Ubulette: yeah ... problem is that i don't see his third-party module branch
[12:38] <asac> http://www.double.co.nz/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi
[12:39] <Ubulette> it's in the video branch
[12:39] <asac> ah
[12:39] <asac> well then you have no choice but split the patch up on your own
[12:39] <Ubulette> both are in the same branch
[12:40] <asac> thats ugly
[12:40] <Ubulette> oh
[12:40] <asac> but he talks about "Merge branch 'third_party_modules' into video"
[12:41] <Ubulette> so can I just grab the "master" patch ?
[12:42] <Ubulette> not between 2 rev as it contains moz revs too
[12:43] <asac> Ubulette: you have to diff the whole video branch against the firefox.git branch
[12:43] <asac> Ubulette: yes he apparently doesn't rebase
[12:43] <asac> Ubulette: so you cannot just pop the 2 revs
[12:43] <Ubulette> damn
[12:44] <asac> Ubulette: are all those third party modules below modules?
[12:44] <Ubulette> yep, that patch is clean
[12:44] <asac> i would suggest to get firefox.git master branch and the video.git master branch
[12:45] <asac> then do a diff between both
[12:45] <asac> that should give you the full diff
[12:45] <Ubulette> I patch xul now so i need to diff with that
[12:45] <asac> then you have to exclude everything below modules/
[12:45] <asac> with filterdiff or something
[12:45] <Ubulette> damn it's ugly
[12:45] <asac> Ubulette: i think you are better off to diff what he merges ... and then hope that it applies to xul as well
[12:46] <Ubulette> especially that he stopped updating video 2 weeks ago but the other branches are auto
[12:46] <Ubulette> sunc
[12:46] <asac> yeah ... maybe you have to do a merge on yourown
[12:46] <Ubulette> sync
[12:46] <asac> but maybe it just applies
[12:47] <asac> ok i clone firefox.git now
[12:48] <Ubulette> I'm in it now
[12:49] <asac> then pull the video branch in it as well
[12:49] <asac> e.g. as branch video
[12:50] <Ubulette> "in" it ?
[12:52] <asac> are you in firefox.git cloned dir?
[12:53] <Ubulette> yes
[12:53] <asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/video.git refs/heads/master:video ?
[12:53] <asac> problem is that it attempts to automatcially merge this to master (no idea why)
[12:53] <asac> let me try something
[12:55] <asac> ok i now do:
[12:55] <asac> mkdir firefox
[12:55] <asac> cd firefox
[12:55] <asac> git init-db
[12:55] <asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/firefox.git refs/heads/master:firefox
[12:55] <asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/video.git refs/heads/master:video
[12:56] <asac> hopefully this creates two branches without any conflicts
[12:56] <Ubulette> what are the refs for ?
[12:57] <asac> they say that you want master branch from remote repo ... and want it as firefox branch in local repo
[12:57] <asac> i think cloning creates some messy stuff
[12:57] <asac> you can probaly just say: git pull git://double.co.nz/git/firefox.git refs/heads/master
[12:58] <Ubulette> seems the default to be
[12:58] <Ubulette> me
[12:58] <asac> and then get the video branch
[12:58] <asac> git pull git://double.co.nz/git/video.git refs/heads/master:video
[12:58] <asac> ah ok
[12:59] <asac> its actually the same result
[12:59] <asac> the problem is that it tries to merge it into working tree
[12:59] <Ubulette> 66 objects were added to complete this thin pack.
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/config/autoconf.mk.in
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/configure
[12:59] <Ubulette> CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in mozilla/configure
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/configure.in
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/content/base/src/nsGkAtomList.h
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/dom/public/nsDOMClassInfoID.h
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/dom/src/base/nsDOMClassInfo.cpp
[12:59] <Ubulette> Auto-merged mozilla/layout/base/nsCSSFrameConstructor.cpp
[01:00] <Ubulette> Automatic merge failed; fix conflicts and then commit the result.
[01:00] <Ubulette> not so bad
[01:00] <asac> yeah thats not a problem
[01:00] <asac> just say git checkout -f
[01:00] <asac> no idea why it tries to merge the working tree
[01:00] <asac> must be some hints he has in his repo
[01:00] <asac> for other repos i use it doesn't do that
[01:01] <asac> anyway ... i can now just say:
[01:01] <asac> git diff firefox..video
[01:01] <asac> but i guess you have to merge firefox onto video first
[01:02] <Ubulette> fatal: ambiguous argument 'firefox..video': unknown revision or path not in the working tree.
[01:02] <Ubulette> Use '--' to separate paths from revisions
[01:02] <Ubulette> hmm
[01:03] <asac> how did you branch?
[01:03] <asac> as video and firefox? or as master and video?
[01:03] <asac> use the branch names you used
[01:04] <asac> ok i merged firefox on video
[01:04] <asac> now i can diff
[01:05] <asac> git diff firefox..video | filterdiff -x */mozilla/configure  | filterdiff -x */media/modules/* > /tmp/out2
[01:05] <asac> yields a 300k patch
[01:05] <asac>  git diff firefox..video | filterdiff -x */mozilla/configure > /tmp/out
[01:05] <asac> is 14m
[01:06] <asac> $ ls -l /tmp/out*
[01:06] <asac> -rw-r--r-- 1 asac asac 14724896 2007-09-13 01:04 /tmp/out
[01:06] <asac> -rw-r--r-- 1 asac asac   317033 2007-09-13 01:05 /tmp/out2
[01:06] <asac> ok what i did :
[01:06] <asac> git checkout video
[01:06] <asac> git merge firefox
[01:06] <asac> cd mozilla
[01:06] <asac> autoconf2.13
[01:06] <asac> cd ..
[01:06] <asac> git add mozilla/configure
[01:06] <asac> git commit -m "merge latest firefox"
[01:06] <asac> then i can diff
[01:07] <asac> my branches are:
[01:07] <asac> $ git branch firefox master
[01:07] <asac> * video
[01:07] <asac> ups
[01:07] <asac> firefox, master, video
[01:07] <asac> though i have no idea why the hell master was created
[01:07] <asac> is probably a hook he added to his repo
[01:07] <asac> i just care for firefox + video
[01:16] <Ubulette> asac, i'm lost.