[01:21] <Daviey> bendailey: ping
[01:24] <Mersault> hello folks. how many in here are using mythbuntu?
[01:25] <laga> uh
[01:25] <laga> are you one of those people who call during dinner to ask how many TV sets there are in a household?
[01:27] <directhex> are you happy with your long distance calling plan?
[01:27] <Mersault> nope, just setting up a new mythbuntu system (already have one successful edgy+mythtv system), and running into weird issies
[01:28] <Mersault> wanted to compare notes with someone who's done a mythbuntu install with alpha4
[01:28] <laga> Mersault: so, what's your problem?
[01:29] <Mersault> well, my install stalled when 'copying installer logs' at 100%
[01:29] <Mersault> I waited long enough to have dinner before just closing the window
[01:29] <Mersault> but now there's no myth database in mysql and other unfinished business...
[01:30] <laga> hum.
[01:31] <laga> did you do anything special when installing?
[01:31] <laga> is it reproducable?
[01:34] <Mersault> well, that was a first
[01:36] <Mersault> huh, anyway...
[01:36] <DBeta> Hello Mythtv people.
[01:36] <Mersault> I haven't tested reproducing it yet (that'll take the entire duration of an install)
[01:38] <DBeta> I've got a problem with mythTV. "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'" repeats in terminal about a million times before launching the database config page, but even when I give it all the correct information(user name and password I got when I installed) it comes up on next run of myth.
[01:38] <DBeta> I've tried doing a purge/install of all mythtv and MySQL parts.
[01:39] <KillerKiwi2005> can i upgrade a mythbox running fiesty to mythbunutu gutsy?
[01:39] <DBeta> I've ran through the google documents I've found, and none of them seem to have a working solution.
[01:41] <KillerKiwi2005> any one?
[01:42] <DBeta> I don't see why you couldn't.
[01:42] <DBeta> Wouldn't it work pretty much like upgrading Ubuntu Fiesty to Gutsy?
[01:43] <KillerKiwi2005> DBeta: is there a special repo?
[01:43] <DBeta> Not sure.
[01:43] <DBeta> I would assume mythubuntu would have your repos configured correctly.
[01:44] <tgm4883_laptop> KillerKiwi2005, you would need to upgrade to gutsy, then mythbuntu
[01:45] <KillerKiwi2005> tgm4883_laptop: but it would be possible?
[01:45] <tgm4883_laptop> yes
[01:46] <KillerKiwi2005> tgm4883_laptop: cool
[01:50] <DBeta> Man, this problem is impossible. Every hit i've found on google did nothing to help.
[01:51] <KillerKiwi2005> DBeta: problem being?
[01:51] <DBeta> I think the problem might be that the password is not set correctly for mythtv user in mysql.
[01:51] <DBeta> I've got a problem with mythTV. "Access denied for user 'mythtv'@'localhost'" repeats in terminal about a million times before launching the database config page, but even when I give it all the correct information(user name and password I got when I installed) it comes up on next run of myth. I've tried doing a purge/install of all mythtv and MySQL parts.
[01:52] <KillerKiwi2005> Im pretty sure that is the mysql password
[01:52] <KillerKiwi2005> I had issues with that one
[01:52] <DBeta> Yeah, MythTV was supposed to set that up.
[01:52] <DBeta> Do you know how to set it and or change it?
[01:53] <KillerKiwi2005> I think i already had mysql installed so it failed... i think
[01:53] <laga> oh well.
[01:53] <laga> DBeta: what distro?
[01:53] <KillerKiwi2005> DBeta: I changed the mysql password
[01:53] <laga> DBeta: how did you install mythtv?
[01:53] <DBeta> Kubuntu Gutsy
[01:53] <DBeta> I used adept
[01:53] <laga> right.
[01:54] <laga> didn't it ask you some questions wrt database setup?
[01:54] <DBeta> It asked me what I wanted to set the root password to, but that's the only question I remember.
[01:54] <laga> which packages did you install?
[01:54] <DBeta> I told it mythTV and a few mythtv plugins and whatnot
[01:55] <laga> is there a "mythtv-database" package installed?
[01:55] <DBeta> Could I wipe my SQL databases and re-run the install setup for mythtv?
[01:55] <laga> you can listen to me and we can work out your problem?
[01:56] <DBeta> Sure.
[01:56] <laga> 01:43 < laga> is there a "mythtv-database" package installed?
[01:58] <DBeta> I'm checking. I'm running an older machine, so it takes a second.
[01:59] <DBeta> Yes, it is installed.
[02:00] <laga> mythtv-common as well?
[02:01] <DBeta> yes.
[02:01] <DBeta> I'd almost have to though, mythtv-database requires it.
[02:01] <KillerKiwi2005> does the mthbuntu control pnael test the mysql connection?
[02:02] <laga> ok. then, for starters: do you have a file /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt? is there a password defined which is not "mythtv"?
[02:02] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: yes
[02:02] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: it does
[02:02] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: :) nice
[02:03] <DBeta> Yes that file is there, and the mythtv is the user, with a password.
[02:04] <laga> DBeta: good. try to remove ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt then
[02:04] <laga> DBeta: or back it up elsewhere. once it is removed, start mythfrontend again
[02:05] <DBeta> Still brings up the database manager
[02:06] <DBeta> Or rather, database management program
[02:06] <laga> DBeta: interesting.
[02:07] <laga> DBeta: hey, you could try to use the control centre to fix your problem. KillerKiwi2005 just gave me the hint
[02:07] <laga> DBeta: i'm booting my mythbuntu box..
[02:08] <DBeta> I have a feeling that after the reinstall, some mythtv files where left, because of that, it didn't try to setup the database again, meaning it still had the password from the last install.
[02:09] <laga> hum
[02:09] <laga> did you mean to install a new database?
[02:09] <DBeta> What control center?
[02:09] <laga> eg, start over?
[02:09] <laga> DBeta: install mythbuntu-control-centre
[02:10] <DBeta> I'd be happy to start over again with mythtv, but I don't want to reinstall Kubuntu, if that's what you are suggesting.
[02:10] <DBeta> My network drivers are a bit of a... pain.
[02:10] <laga> DBeta: no, i was asking if you _wanted_ to start with a  fresh database
[02:11] <laga> because it was an upgrade, it'd explain why you didn't see our new, spiffy setup stuff
[02:11] <DBeta> Oh, I have no problems with that, As long as I didn't have to go and manualy set it up.
[02:11] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: can the control centre backup the db as well?
[02:12] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: no. you can file a bug for that if you want to and we'll see what we can do. there are already weekly backusp, though
[02:12] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: in /var/backup or something
[02:12] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: weekly backups are cool.... might be usful though so you can back up before upgrading etc
[02:12] <laga> right
[02:12] <laga> DBeta: have you installed the control centre?
[02:13] <DBeta> Yeah, running it now
[02:13] <laga> DBeta: i suggest you check the "roles"
[02:14] <laga> DBeta: after that, you can fiddle with mysql settings somewhere, eg enter a new password and stuff. enter your new favourite password, hit apply and try to the test connectivity
[02:14] <DBeta> Heh, it didn't launch, It's GTK so I need to install gnome
[02:14] <laga> you don't have to install gnome for that..
[02:15] <KillerKiwi2005> my gutsy dosnt have mythbuntu-control-centre
[02:15] <laga> DBeta: are you saying that the package didn't pull in the required dependencies?
[02:15] <DBeta> GTK things seem to crash on me.
[02:15] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: your gutsy has got to be old
[02:15] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: true
[02:15] <DBeta> I've had the same problem with another GTK program
[02:16] <laga> DBeta: what error message? we're always looking for feedback
[02:16] <DBeta> My Gutsy cam off the latest tribe. And I updated today.
[02:16] <DBeta> Odd, no error, just hasn't displayed
[02:16] <laga> weird
[02:16] <DBeta> It's still running.
[02:16] <laga> DBeta: tried it in a terminal?
[02:16] <KillerKiwi2005> DBeta: im holding off cause i have to recomplie alsa and wireless when i update
[02:17] <DBeta> myth@mythbox:~$ mythbuntu-control-centreX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169  Major opcode:  146  Minor opcode:  3  Resource id:  0x0Failed to open deviceX Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169  Major opcode:  146  Minor opcode:  3  Resource id:  0x0Failed to open device
[02:17] <DBeta> That's all I've got from terminal
[02:17] <laga> DBeta: ok.
[02:17] <laga> DBeta: i dont get those messages, but my gutsy is a bit older.
[02:17] <DBeta> Which I get the "BadDevice" errors all the time.
[02:17] <laga> DBeta: i'll try ot verify it later
[02:17] <DBeta> I've got those on every version of Ubuntu I've ever used.
[02:18] <DBeta> It has to do with drivers being loaded but no used or something.
[02:18] <DBeta> I use a lot of odd hardware which causes little things like that in X
[02:18] <laga> maybe some legacy stuff
[02:18] <laga> ah
[02:19] <laga> i've ehard that such errors can happen when something is linked against the wrong version of a lib
[02:19] <laga> *shrug*
[02:19] <DBeta> Right now I'm typing on a G11 kyeboard, which windows sees as a mouse and keyboard
[02:19] <DBeta> And a mouse that windows sees as a keyboard and mouse(Logitech MX1000)
[02:19] <laga> G11?
[02:20] <DBeta> Logitech G11, great keyboard, has a lot of extra blank buttons and whatnot.
[02:20] <laga> ah
[02:20] <DBeta> Plus really good backlighting.
[02:20] <laga> i prefer cherry for keyboards, but this one i've got right now is just not the right one for me
[02:21] <DBeta> I don't mind starting a new database, as long as I don't have to manually configure anything(As in give the commands dirrectly to mysql in sql format)
[02:21] <laga> no, that won't happen
[02:22] <DBeta> I've got a G11 and a G15 keyboard, I love them both. The keys have a really nice low impact system while still keeping the profile of a standard keyboard
[02:22] <DBeta> Is there no way to basically start over with SQL and mythTV?
[02:22] <laga> DBeta: ok. if you can't make it work using the control centre, my suggestion is you fire up your package manager and *purge* the mythtv packages from your system.
[02:22] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: has the lirc setup been simplified... i never did get that working
[02:22] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: yes, it's simplified.
[02:22] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: you can just try it, you know :)
[02:23] <laga> DBeta: is your mysqld actually running?
[02:23] <DBeta> I thought I did that last time, Laga, but I'll do it again.
[02:23] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: sweet... i will... is it stable enough to actully use? I will get beaten over the head if recordings start failing :)
[02:23] <laga> KillerKiwi2005: it's "alpha".
[02:24] <laga> if you're that worried about stability, come back next month
[02:24] <KillerKiwi2005> laga: hmm i might hold off to gutsy release... that was my orginal plan
[02:24] <laga> i'd say that the mythtv part is fairly stable, but certain parts of mythbuntu are still in flux and gutsy itself still needs some work.
[02:24] <DBeta> I believe so Laga, The errors suggest MythTV connected to the server, but handshaking was stopped because of a bad password.
[02:25] <laga> DBeta: if there's nothing valuable on your mysqld anymore, you can also purge mysql-server-5.0 or what it's called and remove /var/lib/mysql .. which can be dangerous, but should be ok
[02:25] <laga> guess you have a backup, just in case.. :>
[02:26] <DBeta> This install of Linux was just for mythtv, so the only thing in mysql is what mythtv put in there.
[02:27] <DBeta> This install of Ubuntu has been so troublesome. It reminds me, Ubuntu needs a way to go back on updates.
[02:27] <laga> heh
[02:27] <laga> hard to achieve
[02:28] <DBeta> Well, An update in X pretty much ruined X for everyone with my graphics chipset.
[02:28] <DBeta> I couldn't find any older versions, because the repositories had already been updated.
[02:29] <laga> in gutsy?
[02:29] <DBeta> Yeah
[02:29] <DBeta> But it affected fiesty too
[02:29] <laga> that sucks :/
[02:29] <laga> fglrx?
[02:29] <DBeta> I expect as much from Gutsy, but 7.04 not a testing release.
[02:30] <laga> right
[02:30] <laga> ulling in 120M of updates in my gutsy vm right now
[02:30] <DBeta> It was the i810 chipset. It would run, but a black bar covered about 4" of my 17" screen, running horizontaly through the center. Nothing could go over it.
[02:31] <laga> that reminds me, i need to talk to some kernel guys because intel-agp.ko is broken for me in gutsy
[02:31] <DBeta> An odd problem, and very annoying. Fortuntaly someone was able to rebuild a .deb of the last version.
[02:32] <DBeta> But it's issues like that that hurts ubuntu at the consumer level.
[02:32] <laga> heh
[02:32] <laga> ubuntu is known to bork X, unfortunately.
[02:32] <laga> that's why there'll be bullet-proof X in gutsy
[02:33] <DBeta> What does MythTV use SQL for? Just to know what you have recorded?
[02:34] <laga> settings, EPG, recorded shows etc
[02:34] <DBeta> Seems like it would be easier, at least for the end user, to use XML or the like.
[02:35] <DBeta> It would likely prevent problems like I've run into. Then again, speed and stability is an issue.
[02:36] <laga> DBeta: those databases can get quite large..
[02:37] <laga> DBeta: mythtv on ubuntu is much more robust nowadays.
[02:37] <laga> DB setup is handled mostly automagically
[02:37] <laga> why it broke for you i don't know since i don't know how you upgraded and what you have done so far exactly
[02:39] <laga> have you purged mythtv and friends now?
[02:39] <DBeta> Finish that up. Just got mysql purged
[02:40] <laga> k
[02:41] <DBeta> just rm the whole /var/lib/mysql dir?
[02:41] <laga> yup. get a backup first, just in case.
[02:42] <DBeta> I always forget -r
[02:42] <DBeta> Cool, /var/lib/mysql removed
[02:43] <laga> fine
[02:43] <laga> now install mysql-server and mythtv
[02:44] <laga> if you get a progress bar where you can activate "show details" or something, do that
[02:44] <laga> just in case it asks a question, but it should use a different interface for that
[02:45] <DBeta> I always show details :) I like feeling like I'm in control
[02:46] <DBeta> So your a constant contributer to Mythtv?
[02:47] <laga> to mythtv? maybe some bug reports every now and then
[02:47] <laga> i've been contributing a bit to mythbuntu lately
[02:47] <DBeta> Ahh.
[02:47] <laga> i really like where it's going
[02:48] <DBeta> I thought about trying Mythbuntu, but I'm a bit lazy, and had already downloaded Kubuntu for my laptop.
[02:49] <laga> mythbuntu is really just ubuntu gutsy with some additional packages
[02:49] <laga> that's one of the things i like: install ubuntu, install mythbuntu-control-centre and convert the box a mythtv box and back
[02:49] <DBeta> Yeah, but Myth is read to go, out of the box, more or less?
[02:49] <laga> you'll have to configure it in mythtv-setup
[02:50] <laga> but especially in the US it's easy
[02:50] <DBeta> Yeah.
[02:51] <DBeta> F'in A! It's working.
[02:51] <DBeta> Now, to try to get my TV card working...
[02:52] <DBeta> TV card developers really should release Linux drivers.
[02:52] <laga> they do. sometimes. ;)
[02:52] <laga> i know that some linuxtv developers are supported by companies
[02:53] <laga> just noticed i was running an old mythbuntu-control-centre.
[02:53] <laga> wonder why it wasn't upgraded
[02:53] <laga> *sigh*
[02:55] <DBeta> Looks like it is supported.
[02:55] <DBeta> It at least detected it correctly
[02:55] <laga> bah, i need to take a closer look at the control centre tomorrow and probably report some bugs.
[02:56] <laga> 3am . bed time for me. g#night
[02:56] <DBeta> Night.
[02:56] <DBeta> Thanks for the help.
[02:56] <laga> and good luck with mythtv
[02:56] <laga> np
[02:56] <laga> thanks for testing :)
[02:57] <DBeta> Reboot time...
[02:57] <laga> we also have a mailing list if you need further assistance...
[02:57] <laga> ah well
[02:57] <laga> bye
[03:43] <alpaca> hows it goin
[07:53] <superm1> laga, what are you seeing wrong with control-centre?
[08:04] <tgm4883> !logs
[08:04] <Ubotu> Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[08:18] <tgm4883> superm1, for the wiki, what did you want me to do again?  My logs dont go back far enough and today's irc logs aren't up yet
[08:18] <superm1> tgm4883, gutsy pages
[08:19] <superm1> discussing how to install the control centre
[08:19] <superm1> and how to use it
[08:19] <tgm4883> ah ok
[08:19] <superm1> to add mythbuntu roles
[08:19] <superm1> and then explaining that the standalone pages aren't there anymore but rather use mythbuntu.org
[08:19] <superm1> for standalone set ups
[08:19] <tgm4883> ok
[08:19] <tgm4883> are there stand alone setups on mythbuntu.org?
[08:20] <superm1> well isn't that what we do :)
[08:20] <tgm4883> or just directing them to the cd?
[08:20] <tgm4883> well yea, but if I just say go to mythbuntu.org, people are probably going to be looking for another guide
[08:20] <tgm4883> i'll make it work
[08:20] <superm1> well that's fine, i mean its silly to redo all those standalone pages i thikn
[08:20] <superm1> because mythbuntu is supposed to automate all that
[08:20] <tgm4883> i agree
[08:21] <tgm4883> i'll just put a little blurb about it
[08:21] <tgm4883> or
[08:21] <tgm4883> I think a little blurb and linking them to here would work http://www.mythbuntu.org/about
[08:22] <superm1> yea
[08:22] <superm1> we'll need to screenshot and graphicafy the mythbuntu.org pages at some point
[08:22] <superm1> using that inline magic you set up
[08:22] <superm1> but that can be for later
[08:23] <tgm4883> yea
[08:23] <tgm4883> did we ever figure out why it wasn't working as designed?
[08:24] <superm1> well i thought it was
[08:24] <superm1> after you did that little test page
[08:25] <tgm4883> no, it doesn't work correctly on the live site, adding pictures requires you to resize first
[08:25] <tgm4883> and they have to be preuploaded I think
[08:26] <tgm4883> it's functional, and works from a user POV, just adds a  little work on our part
[08:27] <superm1> well if they aren't changed often
[08:27] <superm1> not too big a deal i guess
[08:27] <tgm4883> Yea, it should be too big a deal
[08:28] <tgm4883> as long as it's functional
[10:12] <IIIIIIIIII> guys xmltv is down forever? is this for real?
[10:28] <directhex|work> IIIIIIIIII, not in the slightest
[10:29] <directhex|work> IIIIIIIIII, zap2it labs, a free service offered by tribune media services to american & canadian mythtv users, is gone
[10:29] <IIIIIIIIII> whats the alternative to that now?
[10:30] <IIIIIIIIII> usa that is
[10:30] <directhex|work> IIIIIIIIII, schedules direct, a service with a small fee started by some of the developers affected by the loss of zap2it, including some mythtv and xmltv devs
[10:31] <IIIIIIIIII> thnk you
[10:31] <IIIIIIIIII> on a funny not, i think microsoft was using that service, bc their media center tv guide & their site both mysteriously went down
[10:31] <IIIIIIIIII> note
[11:21] <bendailey|home> Daviey, hello?
[11:22] <laga> morning
[11:24] <Daviey> bendailey|home: hey
[11:24] <bendailey|home> laga, morning
[11:24] <laga> :)
[11:24] <Daviey> bendailey|home: This must be really late for you?
[11:24] <bendailey|home> Daviey: did you upload the isos to my last host?
[11:24] <bendailey|home> I got my godaddy account figured out I believe
[11:24] <Daviey> to us-mi ?
[11:24] <bendailey|home> yeah
[11:24] <Daviey> yeah
[11:25] <bendailey|home> can you upload to us-az?
[11:25] <Daviey> sure.. if you can give me (s)ftp?
[11:25] <bendailey|home> yeah I can setup ftp
[11:25] <Daviey> do godaddy not do ssh?
[11:25] <bendailey|home> no ssh on shared linux hosting
[11:25] <Daviey> (or scp)?
[11:26] <bendailey|home> I didn't opt for a virtual host
[11:26] <Daviey> fair enough.. if you pm me some ftp details - i'll push them
[11:27] <bendailey|home> can I pm since I am still on elsewhere and am not registered?
[11:27] <Daviey> no..
[11:27] <Daviey> you need to be registered on freenode to pm :(
[11:27] <Daviey> email?
[11:27] <bendailey|home> ok let me go bump my other irc client
[11:28] <Daviey> or you could /nick bendailey then /msg nickserv identify $password ?
[11:28] <Daviey> Ah, you'll need to kill bendailey - /msg nickserv ghost bendailey $password
[11:36] <bendailey> laga: why so sad?
[11:36] <laga> some guy running gutsy in #mythtv-users thought it was a good idea to change the apssword in /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[11:36] <laga> because he didn't like it
[11:36] <directhex|work> they ALWAYS DO!
[11:36] <directhex|work> this isn't news! they see the password field and thing "eek, that looks scary :("
[11:37] <directhex|work> the random passwords are the #1 cause of problems with the ubuntu packages - everyone changes them at one end but not the other for no good goddamn reason
[11:37] <laga> well, we'll have to put DONT FUCKING TOUCH THIS in there
[11:37] <Daviey> *but* the ubuntu packages get critism because of it!
[11:38] <Daviey> wtf
[11:38] <laga> 11:26 < leperkhanz> oh sweet mother of all that is holiest in this world including the un-invaded female bits.
[11:38] <laga> wtf
[11:40] <directhex|work> it was all too much for stuarta
[11:41] <laga> yeah
[11:41] <laga> it's 11:30 am here
[11:41] <laga> wtf am i doing this. ruining my day like that.
[11:41] <laga> must be masochism
[11:41] <directhex|work> 11:40am
[11:42] <bendailey> daviey,
[11:42] <bendailey> daviey: how many mirrors are still rotating in the script?
[11:42] <Daviey> currently only 3!
[11:42] <laga> directhex|work: sorry, time on my server is wrong
[11:42] <Daviey> was 5 at one point
[11:43] <bendailey> how are the current 3 doing on bandwidth?
[11:43] <laga> 11:27 < laga> leperkhanz: is it deleted now?
[11:43] <laga> 11:27 < leperkhanz> yes
[11:43] <laga> [..] 
[11:43] <laga> 11:31 < laga> leperkhanz: are you *sure* that you have deleted ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt ?
[11:43] <laga> 11:31 < leperkhanz> i did that ls thing.
[11:43] <laga> 11:31 < leperkhanz> but it is still there.
[11:43] <laga> someone kill me please to relieve the pain
[11:43] <directhex|work> laga, the solution presented by Homo Stultus to any situation they don't understand is to ridicule it and actively not learn
[11:45] <directhex|work> there is absolutely no way to prevent this from happening again & again without doing something drastic to prevent people changing their myth mysql password
[11:46] <laga> you know
[11:46] <laga> you get a nice little message saying
[11:46] <laga> that you need to log out and back in
[11:46] <laga> because if you're not a member of the "mythtv" group
[11:46] <laga> it cant read /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[11:47] <laga> and it'll create ~/.mythtv/mysql.txt with wrong credentials then
[11:47] <laga> so
[11:47] <directhex|work> laga, i know this. but until it generates a penis-shaped sound wave from the computer's speakers that violate the user repeatedly for being stupid, that won't matter. people will still ignore it
[11:47] <laga> because one sucker can't be arsed to click "log me out now" on the message, he fuxx0rs his entire setup.
[11:47] <laga> ah, you know it already, k
[11:48] <directhex|work> laga, he's just deleted /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt
[11:48] <directhex|work> laga, have fun :)
[11:49] <laga> oh
[11:50] <laga> i need to expand my knowledge of cursing words
[11:51] <directhex|work> i use "titwank" a lot
[11:51] <directhex|work> of course, #mythtv-users is meant to be a "clean" channel, so i tell people to *gently caress* off and eat *doodie* most of the time
[11:51] <laga> heh
[11:58] <laga> best of all: i accidentally signed up for university giving the wrong day of birth, so i gotta sort that out too
[12:23] <bendailey> gtg bye
[01:53] <Deffcon> he guys can someone give me de trunk repository for gutsy please
[01:54] <laga> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[01:54] <laga> bookmark it :P
[01:54] <Deffcon> he laga good afternoon
[01:54] <laga> hi Deffcon
[01:55] <Deffcon> i only see feisty repos
[01:56] <Deffcon> ?
[01:57] <laga> just put "gutsy" in there
[01:57] <laga> come to think of it, i'm probably building for gutsy all the time
[01:58] <laga> gotta check that
[01:59] <Deffcon> mmm ok
[01:59] <Deffcon> gusty doesn't work on the uk mirror
[02:01] <Deffcon> and not on the us mirror
[02:01] <Deffcon> is there an other gutsy trunk repo?
[02:02] <laga> yes
[02:02] <laga> i'll give it to you later, i'm busy at the moment
[02:09] <Deffcon> thnx laga but now i know for sure that this was my problem earlier with the gusty repo
[02:11] <laga> ?
[02:11] <laga> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[02:12] <laga> gah
[02:12] <laga> i rebuilt the plugins for the wrong release
[02:13] <laga> <- stupid.
[02:13] <laga> time for a fresh upload
[02:18] <directhex|work> wake up laga! have some nice refreshing rum
[02:18] <laga> heh
[02:24] <DaveMorris> the ppa build system, does that have to be used for packages which will eventually make it into ubuntu or can you use for your own GPL'ed software that won't make it into ubuntu due to lack of people wanting it?
[02:25] <laga> both
[02:25] <DaveMorris> cool, thanks laga I knew you or superm1_ would know
[02:39] <laga> :/
[02:39] <laga> getting fed up with all the build trouble.
[03:13] <laga> directhex|work: people are especially clueless today, huh?
[03:15] <directhex|work> urgh
[03:15] <directhex|work> i wish
[03:15] <directhex|work> people are *always* this clueless
[03:15] <laga> heh
[03:15] <laga> people suck.
[03:15] <directhex|work> it's just a question of how well you hide from them on a daily basis
[03:23] <bendailey> Daviey, I have confirmed the iso images with md5 on us-az.cdimages
[03:32] <Daviey> bendailey: cool
[03:33] <Daviey> I'll update the redirect in a few mins
[03:33] <bendailey> Daviey: great thanks
[03:52] <DaveMorris> grrr, why cna't I have 2 ssh keys in launchpad!
[03:54] <Daviey> DaveMorris: you can
[03:55] <DaveMorris> oh yeah
[03:55] <DaveMorris> is anyoyed and not looking correctly
[04:10] <laga> can you have two gpg keys?
[04:12] <Daviey> bendailey: I've done the redirect..
[04:12] <Daviey> At the moment, you should be getting 60% of the requests
[04:12] <Daviey> Is that okay?
[04:13] <Daviey> bendailey: can you remove the index page?
[04:21] <DaveMorris> laga: superm1_  Daviey how can I start a ppa build (not for mythbuntu) I've sucessfully uploaded my source etc
[04:22] <laga> DaveMorris: it'll start automagically
[04:22] <laga> might take some time
[04:25] <DaveMorris> thanks
[04:29] <superm1_> DaveMorris, what'd you upload? :)
[04:29] <superm1_> laga, what'd you find on the control-centre wrong last night?
[04:29] <DaveMorris> opensg
[04:29] <laga>  porn-get?
[04:29] <laga> superm1_: i couldn't edit the mysql connection details even when mysql-server was installed
[04:30] <DaveMorris> I've built amd64 on my machine and can do local installs
[04:30] <laga> superm1_: also, i couldn't enable/disable the mysql server
[04:30] <superm1_> laga, the idea is supposed to be master backend == mysql server
[04:30] <DaveMorris> I'd like i386 and it can eventually go in the repos if people want it
[04:30] <superm1_> can't edit details on master backend
[04:31] <laga> superm1_: oh :/
[04:31] <superm1_> does that seem sensible?
[04:31] <laga> well, it is a valid assumption.
[04:31] <laga> might wanna note that somewhere, it wasn't obvious to me at least
[04:31] <tgm4883> man mythbuntu-control-centre
[04:32] <DaveMorris> oh, also my package takes an 45-50 mins to build on my dual core desktop :)
[04:32] <superm1_> well at least i think that people would be able to break their setups too easily if that information was editable directly there
[04:32] <tgm4883> breakage is inevitable
[04:33] <superm1_> well i'm trying to foolproof it as much as possible by hiding a lot from the user :)
[04:33] <laga> another problem, though: some (really really clueless) guy hand-edited /etc/mythtv/mysql.txt. i kept telling him to dpkg-reconfigure mythtv-common, but i found out that it this package doesn't actually set the password in the database.
[04:33] <laga> superm1_: is it sensible that i set the password in mythtv-common but the change is applied in mythtv-database?
[04:34] <superm1_> which password are you referring to?
[04:34] <tgm4883> arg
[04:34] <superm1_> password for the mythtv mysql user?
[04:34] <directhex|work> superm1_, aye
[04:34] <tgm4883> I hate it when my drive goes 47907 days without being checked
[04:35] <superm1_> laga, because mythtv-database doesn't ask at all for that password
[04:35] <superm1_> only for root password stuff
[04:37] <laga> superm1_: right, but shouldn't mythtv-common update the database password as well in the DB?
[04:37] <superm1_> well not necessarily
[04:37] <superm1_> because what if mythtv-database isn't setup yet
[04:38] <superm1_> what database is it updating?
[04:39] <tgm4883> it should tunnel over the internet and change laga's database ;)
[04:39] <tgm4883> that should be default
[04:40] <laga> superm1_: hum. right.
[04:42] <Mersault> Anyone in here using RAID for their mythtv storage? I've got a new backend with an nforce chipset on the mobo that supports RAID, and I'm wondering what my best option is for setting up the four nice new drives I have in the box. I've never setup RAID before, so any advice is appreciated
[04:42] <DaveMorris> Mersault: is it hardware raid or software raid?
[04:43] <DaveMorris> also what did you want raid for?  To mirror or have one large disk?
[04:44] <Deffcon> can i ask someone an question about mythweb trunk version
[04:44] <Mersault> DaveMorris: Well, that's the thing I'm a little confused with. The nForce chipset, from what I gather, it a kind of hybrid thing, with some hardware bits and some software bits stored in firmware. I want to do RAID0, since I'm not worried about losing recordings (media, in the grand scheme of things, ranks low on my list of data worth preserving)
[04:44] <laga> Deffcon: _description: template not found?
[04:45] <Deffcon> nono
[04:45] <Deffcon> mythweb.conf.apache i have to place in /etc/apache2/conf.d/mythweb.conf
[04:45] <Deffcon> right
[04:45] <laga> no
[04:46] <laga> it should have set up that automagically
[04:46] <laga> check /etc/apache2/sites-available and /etc/apache2/sites-enabled
[04:47] <Deffcon> ok that's true but it differs what i read in the INSTALL file
[04:47] <DaveMorris> Personally I'd not use RAID0 because if 1 disk dies you lose everything, and the only benfit from it is increased performance, which you shouldn't need.
[04:48] <laga> Deffcon: no shit.
[04:48] <laga> Deffcon: it's a package, so it might do things differently froma  manual install
[04:48] <laga> that's whe whole point
[04:49] <DaveMorris> you can now have storage groups, so you can still use both drives.  Personally I'd use them as 2 separate disks as the performance from watching the recordings will be better, you'll keep more data after a disk failure (mythtv eats disks due to large files been written/deleted)
[04:49] <Deffcon> but now i see only a directory when i go to http://85.144.X.X/mythweb and when i click on mythweb.php it asks me to save the file or open it it doesn't show the mythweb site
[04:49] <DaveMorris> if you had a spare 5GB drive I'd even use that as my root fs
[04:49] <Mersault> DaveMorris: I recognize that. It does also support 'JBOD' or Just a Bunch Of Disks, so I guess that would be a reasonable option to.
[04:49] <Mersault> DaveMorris: Oh yeah, my system disc is a 60 gig IDE drive
[04:50] <Mersault> So the four other discs are just for recordings and videos
[04:51] <DaveMorris> yeah, you can even just add them when you need them, rather than splashing all out at once
[04:53] <Daviey> exit
[04:53] <DaveMorris> Sorry I don't know that command
[04:53] <Mersault> So, what should I use to set this up? dmraid?
[04:54] <Daviey> DaveMorris: know this command? sudo rm -rf /
[04:55] <laga> Deffcon: do you have anything in /etc/apache2/sites-available
[04:59] <Deffcon> yes ihave
[04:59] <laga> yeah
[04:59] <Deffcon> mythweb.conf
[04:59] <laga> wna dwhat's in there?
[04:59] <laga> ok
[04:59] <Mersault> Deffcon: sounds like you don't have php enabled or something.
[04:59] <laga> is it also in /etc/apache2/sites-enabled ?
[05:00] <Deffcon> only default and mythweb.conf
[05:00] <laga> good
[05:00] <Deffcon> and now
[05:00] <laga> please pastebin your mythweb.conf
[05:01] <Deffcon> pastebin?
[05:01] <laga> www.pastebin.ca
[05:01] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[05:01] <Ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:04] <Deffcon> ok i pastebin to pastebin.ca and now
[05:04] <laga> give me the link.
[05:04] <Deffcon> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37206/
[05:05] <laga> alright, that looks good
[05:05] <laga> except that you upload yoiur password as well, oops ;/
[05:05] <bendailey> Daviey: I removed the welcome page and changed the 404 Page to just a link to www.mythbuntu.org
[05:05] <Mersault> Does anyone in here have any experience with using the RAID support in the nForce chipset with Ubuntu?
[05:05] <laga> Mersault: it's a soft raid.
[05:05] <Deffcon> doesn't matter
[05:06] <laga> Deffcon: is php enabled? sudo a2enmod php5
[05:06] <Mersault> laga: So it's basically the RAID version of a winmodem?
[05:06] <laga> Mersault: yes.
[05:06] <Deffcon> This module does not exist!
[05:07] <Deffcon> laga: This module does not exist!
[05:08] <laga> Mersault: the intarweb has lots of information on that. the ubuntu mythtv channel is not quite the right place
[05:08] <laga> Deffcon: ok.
[05:08] <laga> Deffcon: let me start my gutsy vm...
[05:08] <Deffcon> thnx
[05:08] <Mersault> laga: I just figured there would be good odds that someone here would have used it in the past, with mythtv's storage requirements :)
[05:10] <tgm4883> there is a linux software raid solution
[05:11] <tgm4883> mdadm
[05:12] <Mersault> I'm aware of mdadm, though I've never used it. Now I just need to determine if I want to use mdadm, or dmraid which supports the nForce chipset. Probably 6 of one, half a dozen of the other....
[05:13] <laga> Deffcon: what does "ls -al /etc/apache2/mods-available/ | grep php" output?
[05:13] <directhex|work> there's mdadm
[05:13] <directhex|work> or... or... you can use soft raid on modern chipsets using dmraid
[05:13] <directhex|work> which is cross-platform, whereas md isn't
[05:13] <tgm4883> dmraid
[05:13] <Deffcon> nothing
[05:14] <Deffcon> laga : nothing
[05:14] <laga> Deffcon: great :/ what does dpkg -l | grep php return?
[05:14] <laga> Deffcon: i need to find out why it didn't install the proper php libs
[05:15] <Deffcon> pastebin this ?
[05:15] <laga> that'd be nice, thanks
[05:16] <Deffcon> laga : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37207/
[05:16] <laga> !
[05:16] <Mersault> directhex|work: do you have any experience with dmraid? I imagine mdadm is better supported (more documentation, etc)
[05:17] <laga> Deffcon: that's odd.
[05:17] <Deffcon> what ?
[05:17] <directhex|work> Mersault, oh md's definitely better supported. but there's the linux-only caveat
[05:17] <laga> Deffcon: libapache2-mod-php5 is installed. that's the correct package.
[05:18] <tgm4883> i use mdadm because it also works if you don't have any onboard raid
[05:18] <Mersault> directhex|work: I don't think that's a big deal for me. There's only one person in the house who uses windows. That person is outnumbered by linux boxes about 6 to 1.
[05:18] <laga> Deffcon: are you sure there is no file "/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load" ?
[05:18] <Mersault> Will there be any performance difference?
[05:18] <directhex|work> Mersault, dm is definitely enterprise-grade stuff
[05:18] <laga> or /etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf ?
[05:18] <directhex|work> Mersault, shouldn't be much performance difference
[05:19] <Mersault> Okay, then mdadm might be the better option since I'm a RAID neophyte, and there will be more docs when I run into trouble
[05:19] <Deffcon> no php5.conf
[05:20] <laga> Deffcon: and php5.load ?
[05:20] <Deffcon> no php5.load
[05:21] <laga> Deffcon: but "dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php5" clearly mentions these files here. something is  broken on your box, and it's not mythtv.
[05:21] <laga> sorry.
[05:21] <laga> "dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php5" i mean
[05:22] <Deffcon> how  can I restore defaults of apache2 and php5
[05:22] <superm1_> something you may need to try is just refreshing your cache on FF
[05:22] <superm1_> empty out the private data otpion
[05:22] <superm1_> and then reload the page
[05:22] <superm1_> and things might just take effect
[05:22] <Deffcon> FF ?
[05:22] <laga> Deffcon: did you delete those files or something?
[05:23] <Deffcon>  no i just did an upgrade svn trunk
[05:23] <Deffcon> with the repo laga send me this afternoon
[05:23] <laga> k
[05:23] <superm1_> Deffcon, firefox
[05:23] <laga> Deffcon: try sudo aptitude reinstall libapache2-mod-php5
[05:24] <superm1_> i know i've been bit by needing to refresh the cache personally after installing php5
[05:25] <Deffcon> still no php5.load and php5.conf in /etc/apache2/mods-available/
[05:29] <Deffcon> laga take a look what happens here --> http://85.144.36.231/mythweb/
[05:31] <Deffcon> strange he?
[05:31] <superm1_> a2enmod php5?
[05:32] <Deffcon> This module does not exist!
[05:32] <superm1_> hmpf
[05:33] <Deffcon> ?
[05:33] <superm1_> $ apt-file search php5.load
[05:33] <superm1_> libapache2-mod-php5: etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
[05:33] <superm1_> it is in the libapache2-mod-php5 package
[05:33] <Deffcon> i think its broken then
[05:34] <laga> Deffcon: maybe you need to apt-.get update and upgrade
[05:34] <Deffcon> did that already no success
[05:35] <laga> Deffcon: what does dpkg -L libapache2-mod-php5 | grep mods-available say?
[05:36] <tgm4883> why are all the mythweb files not in the mythweb dir?
[05:37] <Deffcon> #/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.conf
[05:37] <Deffcon> #/etc/apache2/mods-available/php5.load
[05:37] <Deffcon> #/etc/apache2/mods-available
[05:38] <Deffcon> talk to you guys later have to pick up my daughter
[05:38] <laga> Deffcon: why are they not installed on your system?!
[05:38] <Deffcon> i have really no idea
[05:39] <laga> tgm4883: "all the mythweb files"? what files?
[05:39] <Deffcon> mythweb worked before
[05:39] <superm1_> apt-get purge libapache2-mod-php5 && apt-get install libapach2-mod-php5
[05:39] <superm1_> sounds to me like the way to go
[05:39] <laga> ah, right
[05:39] <tgm4883> 	mythweb.conf.apache	10-Sep-2007 21:33 	8.8K
[05:39] <tgm4883> [ ] 	mythweb.conf.lighttpd	10-Sep-2007 21:33 	79
[05:39] <tgm4883> [ ] 	mythweb.php	10-Sep-2007 21:33 	1.2K
[05:39] <tgm4883> [TXT] 	mythweb.pl
[05:39] <tgm4883> shouldn't those be in the mythweb dir?
[05:40] <laga> oh
[05:40] <Deffcon> E: Illegal Operation purge
[05:40] <laga> Deffcon: aptitude purge
[05:40] <tgm4883> oh and you may want to close off ssh access
[05:40] <laga> tgm4883: what mythweb dir should they be in?
[05:40] <tgm4883> unless you have it open for a reason
[05:40] <superm1_> apt-get remove --purge
[05:40] <superm1_> then
[05:40] <superm1_> i haven't used it for a bit, didn't remember the syntax offhand
[05:41] <tgm4883> laga /var/www/mythweb?
[05:41] <tgm4883> instead of /var/www?
[05:41] <laga> tgm4883: they _are_ in there.
[05:42] <superm1_> laga, i was thinking more about that VNC bugger
[05:42] <superm1_> and i think i've got an idea
[05:42] <tgm4883> heh
[05:42] <tgm4883> i was already in the mythweb dir
[05:42] <superm1_> rather than have to include language packs
[05:42] <tgm4883> my bad
[05:42] <tgm4883> the mythweb dir in the mythweb dir threw me
[05:42] <laga> tgm4883: irritating++; :)
[05:42] <superm1_> perhaps just export variables to force the locale just for the vnc python module called
[05:43] <laga> sounds good
[05:43] <laga> it's not like the ubiquity backend stuff needs to speak german
[05:43] <superm1_> exactly
[05:43] <superm1_> could you give that a spin today?
[05:43] <laga> no
[05:43] <laga> if i do any more work on ubuntu related stuff today, i'll have a nervous breakdown. seriously. :)
[05:43] <tgm4883> laga, superm1_ question
[05:44] <superm1_> haha
[05:44] <superm1_> yes?
[05:44] <laga> yes?
[05:44] <tgm4883> is he using apache or lighttp
[05:44] <laga> apache
[05:44] <laga> i hope
[05:44] <superm1_> well but we do still need to install language packages at the end i believe now - because if we're going to have xfce stuff on the system
[05:45] <superm1_> that will need support for alternate languages
[05:45] <laga> superm1_: i don't believe that the ubuntu guys include all language packs by default
[05:45] <tgm4883> i think so, but there is a lighttp file in the root dir and with everything else thats going wrong.....
[05:45] <superm1_> laga, right, there is a language package install function that is called
[05:45] <superm1_> that grabs them from http
[05:46] <laga> superm1_: should use that.. it's still odd that it crashes because the language is not available
[05:46] <tgm4883> also
[05:46] <superm1_> laga, well that wouldn't help to add it back in
[05:46] <tgm4883> Apache/2.2.3 (Ubuntu) PHP/5.2.1 Server at x.x.x.x Port 80
[05:46] <tgm4883> vs this
[05:46] <superm1_> that step happens after the VNC is configured
[05:46] <tgm4883> Apache/2.2.4 (Ubuntu) mod_python/3.3.1 Python/2.5.1 Server at x.x.x. Port 80
[05:47] <tgm4883> wouldn't ^^ indicate no PHP
[05:47] <laga> tgm4883: we already know he's not running php
[05:47] <laga> tgm4883: we also know that his php install is *gently caress*'ed up
[05:47] <superm1_> okay well i'm out for now.
[05:47] <superm1_> later guys
[05:47] <tgm4883> which is the problem ;P
[05:47] <tgm4883> later
[05:47] <laga> yeah, gotta clean my room a bit.
[05:47] <tgm4883> im leaving, im no help.  It's too early i need coffee
[05:48] <laga> heh
[05:48] <laga> user support makes me bitter
[05:48] <laga> need to get better at coding so i can delegate it
[05:48] <tgm4883> let him know when he gets back that unless he has a reason to have it open, he should close off the ssh port
[06:20] <DaveMorris> laga you know what causes ppa to 'fail to upload' after it's built the package fine
[06:22] <DaveMorris> found out why, ignore me
[06:25] <laga> well, what'st the reason?
[06:30] <DaveMorris>  opensg_1.8.0alpha1_amd64.deb control file lists section as universe/devel. but changes file has universe/misc.
[06:33] <laga> ah
[06:35] <DaveMorris> do you find the i386 machine alot slower?
[06:36] <DaveMorris> either it is, or I somehow upload some prebuilt code in the sources from my amd64 build
[06:36] <laga> amd64 used to be slower for me *shrug*
[06:38] <DaveMorris> well i386 (samarium) took 31 mins, and amd64 (promethium) took 6mins
[06:39] <DaveMorris> looking at the log i386 built it all, amd64 seemed to have some of the objects built already
[06:40] <laga> nice
[06:41] <laga> um
[06:41] <DaveMorris> do you have to increment the packages each time?
[06:41] <laga> that apple stuff for students is not exactly cheap.
[06:41] <laga> DaveMorris: each time you do what? upload them?
[06:42] <DaveMorris> yeah, coz I've got this
[06:42] <DaveMorris> Rejected: MD5 sum of uploaded file does not match existing file in archive Files specified in DSC are broken or missing, skipping package unpack verification.
[06:42] <laga> right
[06:42] <laga> did you re-build the orig.tar.gz?
[06:43] <DaveMorris> gaim quiety crashed then
[06:48] <laga> 18:30 < laga> right
[06:48] <laga> 18:31 < laga> did you re-build the orig.tar.gz?
[06:49] <DaveMorris> yeah
[06:49] <laga> yes
[06:49] <laga> you have to increment the version number then
[06:49] <laga> not just the ~ppa part ;/
[06:49] <DaveMorris> just in .dsc file
[06:49] <laga> i'm waiting for a new commit in mythtv trunk for that reason
[06:53] <laga> ah
[06:53] <laga> there's one
[06:54] <DaveMorris> you shouldn't have to incremement the version number IMO if the build failed
[06:54] <DaveMorris> anyway I've got to go now
[06:54] <DaveMorris> I'm late :(
[07:11] <laga> superm1_: are we having weekly build for -fixes for gutsy and for feisty?
[07:11] <laga> superm1_: just wondering how i'd do that best for trunk.
[07:13] <laga> superm1_: just tried to upload orig.tar.gz + diff.gz to gutsy and upload just the .diff.gz for feisty to avoid uploading the big tarball twice. of course, it doesn't work because the orig.tar.gz is was not published yet
[08:03] <laga>  Could not connect to ppa.launchpad.net:80 (91.189.90.217), connection timed out
[08:03] <laga> :/
[08:05] <Deffcon> laga?
[08:08] <laga> Deffcon: yes?
[08:09] <Deffcon> did you take a look at the repo's that i mentioned
[08:10] <laga> what repos?
[08:10] <Deffcon> weekkly and trunk us and uk --> gutsy
[08:10] <Deffcon> there was only feisty remember
[08:11] <laga> yeah
[08:11] <laga> gutsy simply wasn't built properly :)
[08:11] <laga> i'm working on it
[08:13] <laga> Deffcon: in fact, new gutsy packages are on the ppa now
[08:14] <Deffcon> the link you gave me this afternoon
[08:14] <Deffcon> deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/mythbuntu-trunk/ubuntu/ gutsy main restricted universe multiverse
[08:15] <laga> yes
[08:15] <Deffcon> i'm installing alpha 4 now in vbox then i can test more properly
[08:15] <laga> great
[08:16] <Deffcon> can i help you out with something
[08:17] <laga> if you want to, you translate a few things to your native language
[08:18] <Deffcon> tell me
[08:19] <Deffcon> my language is dutch by the way
[08:20] <laga> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+sources/mythtv/+translations
[08:21] <laga> ^^ here
[08:21] <laga> those are the strings used by debconf, eg the questions that are asked during install
[08:22] <laga> although quite a few of them are not in use anymore :/
[08:31] <Deffcon> laga : can you help me out how i can select a subject to translate on the translation page
[08:32] <laga> well, in my case, i'd just click on "german" in the language field
[08:34] <laga> DaveMorris: right, amd64 builds are still slower for me
[08:34] <laga> Deffcon: did you fix your php problem?
[08:38] <Deffcon> laga : no i reinstalled my system
[08:38] <laga> :/
[08:39] <Deffcon> how  more complete mythbuntu gets less the installatiojn and configuration time !!!! Statement
[08:40] <Deffcon> almost fineshed the translations into dutch
[08:41] <laga> can you rephrase your statement? i'm tired so i don't really understand it
[08:50] <Deffcon> laga : how  more complete mythbuntu gets less the installatiojn and configuration time
[08:51] <laga> did you just copy and paste your previous message, including the whitespace and spelling mistakes?
[08:54] <Deffcon> oh sorry
[08:54] <Deffcon> how  more complete mythbuntu gets, less the installationn and configuration time
[08:54] <Deffcon> how  more complete mythbuntu gets, less the installation and configuration time
[08:57] <laga> what are you missing?
[08:59] <Deffcon> lost here
[08:59] <laga> lost what?
[09:06] <Deffcon> never mind
[09:06] <Deffcon> besides translation is there something else i can do for you?
[09:10] <laga> well, what can do you? what do you feel like doing?
[09:28] <laga> superm1_: hacking on the vnc problem now. i adjusted to code to reset LC_ALL to C
[09:28] <superm1_> laga, those changes look sane to lircrc-generator
[09:28] <laga> cool
[09:28] <superm1_> you tested already?
[09:28] <laga> no
[09:28] <laga> currently testing
[09:30] <superm1_> okay i'll give it a quick go
[09:31] <laga> um
[09:31] <laga> i didn't push the changes
[09:31] <laga> or are you talking about lirc-generator?
[09:31] <superm1_> yes
[09:31] <superm1_> lirc-generator
[09:32] <laga> good
[09:32] <laga> BTW, does it bother you that i keep sticking comments everywhere? i rarely see them in your code
[09:33] <superm1_> no its a good habit
[09:33] <laga> k
[09:33] <superm1_> i try to do it in code for school
[09:33] <superm1_> but never seem to be doing it alot in python
[09:33] <superm1_> because python reads easy usually :)
[09:33] <superm1_> is that email address okay to commit with?
[09:34] <superm1_> or do you have a different addy on LP
[09:34] <laga> my address on launchpad is laga@laga.ath.cx AFAIK
[09:34] <laga> i thought the code was already committed
[09:34] <superm1_> its commited to the bzr branch
[09:34] <superm1_> but it still has to be uploaded to ubuntu
[09:34] <superm1_> so i'll upload that
[09:34] <laga> ah, right
[09:34] <laga> TBH, i dont care much
[09:35] <superm1_> ah you didn't remember to bump debian/rules.  i'll bump that before commit
[09:35] <laga> right
[09:35] <laga> was not meant  as a "ready to publish" change, tbh
[09:36] <superm1_> well i'll give it a quick test with my mceusb2 config
[09:36] <superm1_> and then if its works fine push it
[09:37] <laga> cool
[09:37] <laga> installer is at 90% now
[09:37] <superm1_> awesome
[09:37] <laga> i wish i'd find out why this box feels so slow.
[09:37] <Deffcon> dutch translation are almost fineshed guys
[09:38] <superm1_> cool Deffcon, how are you doing the translations?
[09:38] <laga> maybe i shouldn't be running 2 VMs simultaneously
[09:38] <superm1_> in Rosetta?
[09:38] <laga> superm1_: rosetta
[09:38] <laga> in launchpad
[09:38] <superm1_> doing them on ubiquity?
[09:38] <superm1_> or on which app ?
[09:38] <Deffcon> yep launchpad
[09:38] <superm1_> or better wording
[09:38] <superm1_> for ubiquity?
[09:38] <laga> the debconf stuff for mythtv
[09:39] <laga> superm1_: is ubiquity available in rosetta yet?
[09:39] <superm1_> it should be
[09:39] <laga> cool
[09:39] <laga> oh, ffs.
[09:39] <Deffcon> confused Rosetta --> Launchpad
[09:39] <laga> failed to fetch vnc4server.
[09:39] <laga> i guess it works after installing it manually.
[09:40] <superm1_> but it didn't fail during the configure step
[09:40] <superm1_> when it added to the xorg.conf then at least
[09:40] <laga> does the configure step happen before it downloads vnc4server?
[09:41] <laga> superm1_: there's no vnc entry in /target/etc/X11/xorg.conf :
[09:41] <laga> :/
[09:44] <superm1_> eh that's right, it goes afterward
[09:44] <superm1_>             self.add_drivers_services()
[09:44] <superm1_>             self.install_extras()
[09:44] <superm1_>             self.configure_services()
[09:44] <superm1_> you can just re-order those if you want to give it a go
[09:45] <superm1_> configure_services is where the vnc gets done
[09:45] <Deffcon> confused Rosetta --> Launchpad
[09:45] <laga> true enough
[09:45] <superm1_> thats in ubiquity/scripts/mythbuntu/mythbuntu_install.py
[09:45] <laga> thanks
[09:46] <laga> i'll just edit it on the live disk
[09:46] <superm1_> there ya go.  first upload to gutsy listed: https://edge.launchpad.net/~laga/+packages
[09:47] <laga> yay
[09:47] <laga> cool :)
[09:47] <laga> since i'm part of "mythtv ubuntu maintainers"
[09:47] <laga> could i have uploaded that myself?
[09:48] <Deffcon> guys was it not good to translate then ?
[09:48] <Deffcon> on lauchpad i mean
[09:48] <laga> Deffcon: it's great, no worries :)
[09:48] <superm1_> laga, no you need MOTU status to upload
[09:49] <Deffcon> what are u guys talking about then?
[09:49] <laga> superm1_: good. so you just "sponsored" me?
[09:49] <superm1_> yup
[09:49] <laga> superm1_: ah. felt good. :)
[09:49] <superm1_> oh i just realized you forgot to close the LP bug in there by doing it
[09:50] <superm1_> i'll just close manually
[09:50] <superm1_> bug 135277
[09:50] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 135277 in mythbuntu-lirc-generator "repeat/delay not handled for lircrc" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/135277
[10:00] <bdmurray> superm1_: would you know anything about bug 138380?
[10:00] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 138380 in linux-source-2.6.22 ""Sluggish" behaviour with cx88 remote control" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138380
[10:01] <Deffcon> is there a possiblity to REBOOT SHUTDOWN in configration screen of mythtv just like in Knoppmyth
[10:02] <superm1_> bdmurray, can't say i'm familiar with the exact issue, but it does look like a good idea to figure out
[10:02] <superm1_> i wish i had a cx88 myself
[10:03] <laga> Deffcon: what configuration screen? the control centre?
[10:05] <superm1_> bdmurray, i'll subscribe to it though.  if i find some time to ever investigate it myself i will, but time is dwindling :)
[10:07] <bdmurray> superm1_: re time - indeed.  I thought you might have ran across something with your remote work.
[10:09] <Deffcon> laga : i mean in the mythtv configuration screen
[11:17] <laga> 2d specs for ati cards are released
[11:31] <Deffcon> laga: are the mythtv-additional themes and basic themes not in the svn trunk?
[11:35] <laga> they should be there.. maybe they're broken, dunno off-hand
[11:40] <Deffcon> they are from trunk 1447 and now is 1448
[11:40] <Deffcon> btw this is what i get from mythweb
[11:40] <Deffcon> Incompatible protocol version (mythweb=35, backend=36)
[11:43] <Deffcon> ?
[11:58] <Deffcon> laga?
[12:24] <laga> Deffcon: :/
[12:25] <superm1_> laga, did that change work in ubiquity then?
[12:26] <laga> superm1_: when i shuffled around the steps, i got a different error message, probably because i re-arranged stuff.
[12:26] <superm1_> that's odd...
[12:26] <superm1_> well i guess some of the steps may be dependent on others
[12:26] <superm1_> depends which steps you shuffled
[12:26] <laga> it's kinda hard to test things, because i either have a broken on-cd repo or a broken unionfs.
[12:27] <superm1_> haha
[12:27] <superm1_> yea i know how you feel
[12:27] <superm1_> i really wanna test the new changes i made too
[12:27] <laga> yeah, dont have my modifications here because i rebooted..
[12:27] <MythbuntuGuest96> hey all; I've got a question about the native lirc support in mythbuntu a4//gutsy
[12:27] <superm1_> yea shoot MythbuntuGuest96
[12:28] <MythbuntuGuest96> I'm trying to use the apple remote with the built-in IR on an apple mac mini
[12:28] <superm1_> ah yes
[12:28] <superm1_> and how is that working?
[12:28] <superm1_> (or lack thereof)
[12:28] <MythbuntuGuest96> mostly lack thereof ;)
[12:29] <superm1_> what's happening with it?
[12:30] <MythbuntuGuest96> Well, the install set up the lircrc and the appropriate lirc files i believe.
[12:30] <superm1_> okay good, so /etc/lirc/lircd.conf looks sane
[12:30] <superm1_> and so does ~/.lircrc and ~/.mythtv/lircrc
[12:30] <MythbuntuGuest96> Yep.
[12:30] <MythbuntuGuest96> All look correct.
[12:30] <superm1_> so is lircd not running then?
[12:31] <MythbuntuGuest96> i don't believe so; at least i don't see it when i ps | grep for lircd
[12:31] <superm1_> you can try to restart the process like this
[12:32] <superm1_> sudo /etc/init.d/lirc restart
[12:32] <superm1_> and see if its running after that
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest96> I tried that yesterday.  I started up the lirc service again now.
[12:33] <MythbuntuGuest96> and it's visible in ps
[12:33] <superm1_> okay so now restart myth
[12:33] <superm1_> and try the remote
[12:34] <MythbuntuGuest96> No luck.
[12:35] <superm1_> is lircd still running?
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest96> Actually. Logging out and in killed lircd
[12:35] <MythbuntuGuest96> (I'm using ssh to do most of the commands)
[12:35] <superm1_> okay well whats happening here is that once a lirc client connects to lircd
[12:35] <superm1_> its crashing lircd
[12:35] <superm1_> now the apple mini remote, it doesn't create a /dev/lirc* device does it
[12:36] <superm1_> i think it needs to use a /dev/input/event* device name
[12:36] <MythbuntuGuest96> No.  I believe it has some input in /dev/input/eventX
[12:36] <superm1_> okay so that is likely where the issue starts then
[12:36] <superm1_> so you'll need to double check on what device that is supposed to be
[12:36] <superm1_> with eventX device
[12:36] <superm1_> and modify /etc/lirc/hardware.conf to reflect it
[12:37] <superm1_> there is the other problem that those device eventX might be changing among boots
[12:37] <superm1_> i'd hope not, but its possible
[12:37] <superm1_> so perhaps finding it in /dev/input/by-path is better
[12:38] <superm1_> if you can get it working and if you can find it in /dev/input/by-path, if you file a bug with a listing of ls -alhR /dev/input and all the information you can about this, i can probably fix this
[12:38] <superm1_> so future people won't run into it and alpha5 will have it resolved then
[12:39] <MythbuntuGuest96> Will do.  Although the /dev/input/by-path seem to symlink to various places (event5 for the usb ir)
[12:39] <MythbuntuGuest96> I'll go ahead and do that.  Thanks for your help.
[12:39] <superm1_> well yes, and then /dev/input/by-path/something
[12:39] <superm1_> will symlink to the right event device
[12:40] <superm1_> with any luck it will always be named the same thing in /dev/input/by-path
[12:40] <laga> superm1_: weekly builds. are they available for gutsy and feisty?
[12:40] <superm1_> laga, i was just planning on doing active supported release for now
[12:41] <superm1_> so feisty
[12:41] <superm1_> but trunk makes sense on both
[12:41] <superm1_> and once gutsy goes live, i was figuring stop doing builds on feisty
[12:41] <superm1_> and just go gutsy
[12:41] <laga> right. still, it can't hurt doing them both...
[12:42] <laga> because i got quite annoyed with the PPA again :)
[12:42] <laga> here's what i tried:
[12:43] <laga> make gutsy source packages. if orig.tar.gz already exists, dont create a new one to avoid checksum issues. then, generate a upload for feisty without the orig.tar.gz because it's already on the mirrors.
[12:43] <superm1_> oh and ddoes that work?
[12:43] <laga> sounds good, huh? however, if the orig.tar.gz is not already published, build will be rejected. :)
[12:43] <superm1_> haha
[12:43] <superm1_> yup figures
[12:43] <superm1_> so really what you need is a time delay in the script
[12:43] <superm1_> like make it a few hour long script
[12:43] <superm1_> that will upload the sources in order
[12:44] <superm1_> let them publish
[12:44] <superm1_> let them finish building
[12:44] <superm1_> and then do the same for plugins
[12:44] <laga> also, if you don't increase the build number to ~mythbuntu2 for feisty, the .dsc and .diff.gz for feisty will be rejected as well. :)
[12:44] <superm1_> gosh that's recauculous
[12:45] <laga> because the md5sum changed. obviously.
[12:45] <superm1_> laga, your coming to PPA 101 tomorrow right?
[12:45] <superm1_> i was going to bring up a lot of the things i've ran into
[12:45] <superm1_> and you should too
[12:45] <laga> i was just gonna mail to launchpad-users
[12:45] <laga> when is ppa 101?
[12:46] <superm1_> tomorrow at 15:00 utc
[12:46] <superm1_> well sep 13 at 15:00
[12:46] <superm1_> since it just turned tomrorow by you didnt it
[12:47] <laga> yeah
[12:47] <laga> 40 minutes ago.
[12:47] <laga> 47 minutes ago tbh
[12:48] <superm1_> i added more timezones to my block in my gnome-panel
[12:48] <superm1_> so i finally can pay attention to that kind of stuff
[12:48] <Deffcon> night guys
[12:48] <laga> superm1_: btw, i updated my lircd.conf and submitted it upstream. would you still like to included it in the next lirc upload?
[12:48] <laga> night Deffcon
[12:48] <superm1_> yes please file a bug for it
[12:48] <laga> k
[12:48] <superm1_> i'll get it in with MythbuntuGuest96's bug once he files it
[12:54] <laga> k.
[12:54] <laga> i wonder when mark shuttleworth will come up with an "ubuntu" language.
[01:00] <Ubotu> New bug: #139238 in lirc (main) "lircd.conf: ati remote wonder, atilibusb" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139238
[01:11] <laga> ok, bedtime.