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| LaserJock | moquist: around? | 07:32 |
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| moquist | yes | 07:32 |
| moquist | oddly enough | 07:32 |
| moquist | i want to be asleep in bed but I am not. | 07:32 |
| LaserJock | I'm testing moodle | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | I can't get the mysql install to work | 07:33 |
| LaserJock | after I install it I go to http://localhost/moodle/admin/ and it's just a blank page | 07:33 |
| moquist | what about http://localhost/moodle/ ? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | same thing | 07:34 |
| moquist | Hmm. That's not great. | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | it looks like it's gonna load | 07:34 |
| moquist | Which DB type? | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | but it's just a blank page | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | mysql | 07:34 |
| LaserJock | postgresql works fine | 07:34 |
| moquist | heh; ok | 07:34 |
| moquist | do you know if the DB exists and is fine? | 07:35 |
| moquist | $ mysql | 07:35 |
| moquist | > show tables; | 07:35 |
| moquist | wait | 07:35 |
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| moquist | > connect moodle; | 07:35 |
| moquist | > show tables; | 07:35 |
| moquist | can I have access to the system? :p (temporary ssh via a forwarded connection would be fine...you log into my network and I log back into your system) | 07:36 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't know if that'd work very well | 07:37 |
| LaserJock | it's kinda back behind a bunch of stuff in a VM | 07:38 |
| moquist | It would work jsut fine, as long as that system has access to the 'Net. | 07:38 |
| moquist | that's the beauty of forwarding ports via SSH. | 07:38 |
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| lns | Reminds me of telnetting to the local library to go telnet from there somewhere else, hop...hop...hop... hehe | 08:24 |
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| jonkke | Hi | 12:02 |
| jonkke | sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client? | 12:04 |
| jonkke | i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable | 12:05 |
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| juliux | ogra, is it right that you want that we test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070913/ ? | 01:44 |
| ogra | juliux, yes | 01:44 |
| ogra | but you need extra big CDs or a dvd | 01:45 |
| juliux | np | 01:49 |
| juliux | i will find a extra big CD or an dvd drive | 01:49 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 02:55 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hi mate | 02:57 |
| sbalneav | ogra: I'm pushing my tree now for the compiz fix | 02:58 |
| ogra | hey, thanks | 02:59 |
| ogra | i was holding back the package :) | 02:59 |
| ogra | (fixed the SERVER/nbd issue) | 02:59 |
| sbalneav | I just deleted S15-compiz :) | 03:00 |
| ogra | and then ? | 03:01 |
| ogra | i tought yu wanted to default to off | 03:01 |
| ogra | just wrap the code in there in "if [ -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi" | 03:02 |
| ogra | err | 03:03 |
| ogra | "if [ ! -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi" | 03:03 |
| ogra | :) | 03:03 |
| ogra | sbalneav, so you wnat compiz on by default now ? | 03:05 |
| ogra | on all clients ? | 03:05 |
| sbalneav | it seems to shut itself off nicely on clients that can't handle it. | 03:06 |
| ogra | you tested ? | 03:07 |
| sbalneav | 5 clients | 03:07 |
| ogra | ok | 03:07 |
| ogra | we can still add it bavk if needed :) | 03:07 |
| ogra | *back | 03:07 |
| ogra | heh, my vitual virtualbox thin client's virtual graphics card has a virtual HW error | 03:12 |
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| sbalneav | Hey, I've run into a minor bug last night, ogra, was wondering if you've seen it. | 03:22 |
| sbalneav | OK, so, boot the terminal, everything's fine. | 03:23 |
| ogra | tell me | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | Log in | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | Sessions' fine | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | log out | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | I get hung at an X | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | log in as root on ther terminal | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | the old X is still hanging around | 03:23 |
| sbalneav | new X keeps trying to start, and failing. | 03:24 |
| ogra | the ssh session not having been killed | 03:24 |
| ogra | ? | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | kill the old X | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | No, the ssh session's gone. | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | it's the X. | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | but get this, the waitpid for it has returned! | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | Because I do a waitpid for it in the ldm code | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | So, kill the old X | 03:24 |
| sbalneav | now, I can log in and log out fine | 03:25 |
| sbalneav | no problems, no matter how many times I do it. | 03:25 |
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| sbalneav | One final data point | 03:26 |
| sbalneav | the FIRST time I log in, I don't get a startup sound, but I get a shutdown sound | 03:26 |
| sbalneav | After X has been killed, from then on I get BOTH a login and logout sound. | 03:27 |
| sbalneav | Weird, eh? | 03:27 |
| sbalneav | ogra: Oh, one other thing. Minor fix to the update-image. | 03:29 |
| sbalneav | it was failing for me because $CHROOT/etc/ltsp didn't exist, so I added a test/mkdir for it | 03:30 |
| ogra | oh, right | 03:30 |
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| ogra | even though we should probably have that as "create-confdir" plugin in ltsp-build-client rather | 03:31 |
| sbalneav | Yeah, probably. | 03:31 |
| sbalneav | Oh, and there was an extra "/" on the end of the default BASE variable that was screwing things up | 03:32 |
| sbalneav | so I fixed that too. | 03:32 |
| sbalneav | So, thoughts on that login/logout bug? You seeing that on your end? | 03:32 |
| ogra | no | 03:35 |
| ogra | i once had the bug where the ssh session wasnt killed properly | 03:35 |
| ogra | but that was in an early version and you fixed it long ago | 03:35 |
| sbalneav | Hm | 03:36 |
| sbalneav | Well, I'll poke around with it tonight. | 03:36 |
| sbalneav | ogra: poke, check pvt | 03:40 |
| ogra | hmm, am i not logged in ... | 03:40 |
| ogra | meh | 03:40 |
| ogra | do you see it now ? | 03:41 |
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| erwin_cano | Hola a todos | 03:47 |
| erwin_cano | muy buenos dias | 03:47 |
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| LaserJock | morning | 04:40 |
| ogra | hey hey | 04:40 |
| bddebian | Heya | 04:41 |
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| LaserJock | I still don't know why the world isn't on Pacific time ;-) | 04:44 |
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| jonkke | sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client? | 04:53 |
| jonkke | i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable | 04:53 |
| sbalneav | jonkke: Currently, we don't have any provision for printers that need firmware downloaded. | 04:57 |
| sbalneav | You'd have to code something up yourself. | 04:57 |
| jonkke | I was afraid of that :) | 04:57 |
| jonkke | like in hell i know how to code anything. i just need to wait for "official" solution | 04:58 |
| ogra | hmm, not sure that works with hplip ... | 04:58 |
| jonkke | how? | 04:59 |
| ogra | http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html | 05:00 |
| ogra | suggests it sint :/ | 05:00 |
| ogra | *isnt | 05:00 |
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| viv | Hi, we have an edubuntu lab running on donated corporate scrap and a dell server at eden campus, serving a depressed rural community in Karatara near Knysna. Thanks to a donation, we can upgrade. Does anybody know of sources for suitable low cost PXE clients? | 05:30 |
| LaserJock | hmm, got any spare PIIIs around? | 05:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | viv, are you after replacing your whole clients or just eh NIC? | 05:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | if you can reburn the rom in the network cards you dont have to replace the clients | 05:31 |
| viv | I'm in South Africa. I would like to get a small box with a 400Mhz via or similar with mouse kbd and usb | 05:32 |
| viv | I romboot from cd on some machines | 05:32 |
| viv | The lab is currently on old P2 and P3 machines | 05:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ask netday. | 05:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, but i cant offer anything past that *grin* | 05:33 |
| viv | Thanks. who is netday? | 05:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | its a company who run in south africa. iirc funded by shuttleworth | 05:34 |
| ogra | how about ebay ... http://cgi.ebay.com/9-Compaq-Evo-T20-Thin-Clients-238362-001_W0QQitemZ160157008558QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11218QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem | 05:34 |
| ogra | you'll find various like these | 05:34 |
| viv | Suggestions are getting better - thanks ogra, keep them coming | 05:34 |
| ogra | 6 clients for $100 ... | 05:34 |
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| ogra | well, thats just an example | 05:36 |
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| ogra | just search for thin client at ebay ... you will find a lot for not much money | 05:37 |
| Nubae | hi there... I'm using samba+ldap to authenticate users, and its working great, but I'm confused with giving permissions to users... I assume using the smbldap-usermod command in the terminal is the way to do this, but I read there is a graphical tool, by idealx | 05:38 |
| Nubae | I can't find this webmin extension anywhere though, anyone got experience with this? | 05:38 |
| viv | Oh yes. Thanks for that idea. fine offer. Are there any really neat little units that you know of - like this link http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt2600.htm that work ok with edubuntu? | 05:39 |
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| ogra | viv, very likely, yes | 05:40 |
| Nubae | idealx.org now goes to opentrust.com | 05:40 |
| Nubae | with no mention anywhere of smbldap-tools... is this now unsupported... does anyone know? | 05:40 |
| ogra | no idea, but doesnt swat have such functionallity ? | 05:41 |
| viv | Thanks - I'm off to do some more research. I'd like a South African supplier if possible. | 05:41 |
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| Nubae | hmmm, dont think it integrates with ldap | 05:41 |
| Nubae | well, this was by far the easiest and fastest way to get every non thin client authenticating from the same source | 05:42 |
| Nubae | but now modifying existing entries seems complicated | 05:42 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | pam ftw | 05:42 |
| Nubae | ? | 05:43 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | its not a particularly helpful comment, but its my opinion | 05:44 |
| ogra | Nubae, edsadmin or lot are pretty good gui tools for ldap management ... not sure how good they integrate with samba here though | 05:44 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | unless its freeradius, in which case its just plain anoying | 05:44 |
| Nubae | yeah I saw that in the blueprints for gutsy+1 | 05:45 |
| Nubae | but this idealx, the makers of smbldap-tools had a webmin plugin, and neither idealx nor the plugin seem to be on the net anymore | 05:46 |
| ogra | well, webmin is dead since quite some time, isnt it ? | 05:47 |
| ogra | r did someone final ytake it over ? | 05:47 |
| Nubae | webmin seems pretty alive to me: www.webmin.com | 05:50 |
| stgraber | ogra: want any debian-installer testing on today daily ? | 05:50 |
| Nubae | daily updates | 05:50 |
| ogra | stgraber, any i can get :) but the iso is pretty oversized (/me shakes fist in openoffice direction) | 05:51 |
| ogra | stgraber, mkfifo is fixed, but i'm not sure yet that the in-target call of the script leaves enough output through to even read from the pipe and have anything showing up in the progress bar | 05:52 |
| stgraber | ogra: I do all testing on DVD+RW so that's not a problem | 05:53 |
| Nubae | I've read that automatix really breaks things, should I disable its use on my client systems? | 05:54 |
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| ogra | if you have installed and used it you have already lost | 05:54 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | *no one* should ever use it | 05:55 |
| ogra | right | 05:55 |
| ogra | http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ for more background | 05:55 |
| Nubae | yeah read that... I havent installed it, but people here at the school I'm currently setting up, have asked for it | 05:56 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Nubae, stand firm... *please* | 05:57 |
| Nubae | yeah I will... what about oxygen office? | 05:57 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | dont know it - cant comment | 05:58 |
| Nubae | just a bunch of extensions, clipart, templates, etc for OOo | 05:58 |
| Nubae | seems allright, but dont want problems :-) | 05:58 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | got a link? | 05:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | actually, dont bother | 05:59 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | with my connection atm i wont load it for the next 15 min :S | 05:59 |
| Nubae | http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=690864 | 05:59 |
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| Nubae | just text no pics ;-) | 06:00 |
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| Kamping_Kaiser | *load | 06:00 |
| Nubae | hey, I sort of left it alone, cause I was having issues, but my dansguardian starts up saying it cant find the parent proxy, is that a known problem? | 06:01 |
| Nubae | and squid looks like its running, from processes at least | 06:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | never seen that before | 06:01 |
| ogra | devs that have to call their products "Professional" always appear a bit suspect to me ... | 06:01 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | what ubuntu are you running? | 06:01 |
| Nubae | edu feisty | 06:02 |
| Nubae | well, it was called open office premium before | 06:02 |
| Nubae | not that much of a change ;-) | 06:02 |
| ogra | yeah | 06:03 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | hm. my latest version is 6.06.1+updates. | 06:03 |
| Nubae | well, gonna leave it till I finish the hundred other tasks I have... | 06:04 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Nubae, is dans running? | 06:05 |
| Nubae | I'm not really sure actually, it shows up in the processes | 06:08 |
| Nubae | but nothing is logging | 06:08 |
| Nubae | I'll show u the output: | 06:08 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | pastebin/email | 06:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | dont flood the channel :) | 06:09 |
| Nubae | its just 3 lines | 06:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | ok, flood it :) | 06:09 |
| Nubae | sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/squid start | 06:09 |
| Nubae | * Starting Squid HTTP proxy squid [ OK ] | 06:09 |
| Nubae | sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/dansguardian start | 06:09 |
| Nubae | * Starting DansGuardian dansguardian Error connecting to parent proxy | 06:09 |
| Nubae | [fail] | 06:09 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | whats `ps aux |grep dans` give? | 06:10 |
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| ogra | dans didnt start | 06:11 |
| ogra | did you change your config on either side ? | 06:11 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i dont like to cut my nose off to spite my face :) | 06:11 |
| Nubae | either side? squid.conf and dansguardian.conf? | 06:13 |
| ogra | either of these, yes | 06:13 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | or networking, for that matter | 06:14 |
| Nubae | not running now... but it has been in the past... I set up dans with kaiser... so dont think that is the problem | 06:14 |
| ogra | either dans doesnt find squid or squid doesnt allow connections from dans | 06:14 |
| Nubae | maybe squid not allowing connections from dans... | 06:14 |
| Nubae | what should I look at for that? | 06:14 |
| Nubae | or u mean look at firewall | 06:15 |
| Nubae | btw... edsadmin is great :-) Was trying to use phpldapadmin before | 06:15 |
| Nubae | this is much much better | 06:16 |
| ogra | sbalneav, hmm, my recent fresh ltsp chroot has (none) as hostname by default | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | Hm! | 06:16 |
| ogra | and my mouse in virtualbx doesnt work :/ | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | I rebuilt my chroot last night, and I'm handing out hostnames, and it was working. | 06:16 |
| sbalneav | I'll have to play around more. | 06:17 |
| sbalneav | Should just be the ip address. | 06:17 |
| ogra | i dont hand them out in dhcp | 06:17 |
| ogra | oh, you default to the ip ? thats a good idea :) | 06:17 |
| ogra | we can drop the ip from the ldm info line at the bottom then | 06:18 |
| ogra | if hostname is set the machine should be reachable by it ... if not you see the ip :) | 06:18 |
| ogra | ooooh | 06:19 |
| ogra | wait ! | 06:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Nubae, hm. | 06:19 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Nubae, sorry, but i think i'm a bit drunk to answer any question properly :S | 06:20 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i might be helpful though :S | 06:20 |
| ogra | heh, using the right boot kernel makes the mouse work :) | 06:21 |
| Nubae | hehe drunk on a weekday? must have had a hard day | 06:21 |
| ogra | sbalneav, false alert | 06:21 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | lol | 06:21 |
| ogra | sbalneav, it shows ltsp as name now | 06:22 |
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| sbalneav | cool | 06:24 |
| ogra | whoops | 06:25 |
| ogra | where does the floppy come from ? | 06:25 |
| ogra | ah, wait, my old image had ltspfsd 4.3 :) | 06:25 |
| Nubae | sigh... access rights are totally not being parsed by ldap... If I add a user, it allows access to the thin clients... but changing the groups does nothing | 06:25 |
| ogra | great, so even ltspfs seems to work nicely here | 06:25 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | Nubae, no, i got a call today saying i start work next wed for a few weeks (with more if i dont stuff up), so its worth getting drunmk over :) | 06:26 |
| Nubae | wow great... linux work? | 06:27 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | yeah. setting up etiher a debian or ubuntu server to replace a (rather long in tooth) freebsd server | 06:28 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | it'll be a challenge at best :) but i'm looking forward to it - challanges are up ther eon my 'todo' | 06:29 |
| Nubae | ever worked with freebsd? | 06:29 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i tried to install it abou 3 years ago (before i started on debian/ubuntu) and never got it to install properly | 06:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i kept running out of inodes | 06:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | such is the arogance of youth. | 06:30 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | '5000 inodes, who the hell would use all of that? who cares what an inode is?' | 06:31 |
| Nubae | know a lot of sysadmins that swear by it | 06:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i think it finished installing *once*. | 06:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i know a few, the freebsd culture is interesting | 06:31 |
| Nubae | still, the times are a changing.... Linux is shinning brighter now | 06:31 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | i'm still not keen on Linux per se, but Debian only (realiistically) comes in linux variant | 06:32 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | when hurd actually *works* i'll moving | 06:32 |
| Nubae | ok... so edsadmin + samba dont work | 06:33 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | sorry, cant help with ldap | 06:34 |
| Nubae | was just a statement :-) but edsadmin does look so simple and easy to use | 06:35 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | oh shit. its after 2am | 06:39 |
| Kamping_Kaiser | um... 'oh blast' | 06:39 |
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| ogra | sbalneav, so i wonder if we shouldnt submit all the LTSP_CLIENT patches i maintain in GNOME upstream ... | 06:44 |
| ogra | nautilus, gnome-vfs, gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, NM since gutsy, fusa as well, gnome-users-admin | 06:45 |
| sbalneav | Shoot 'em along, see what they say! | 06:47 |
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| moquist | LaserJock: didja install php5-mysql and have better luck? | 07:36 |
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| joebob777as7 | tanath, this morning. five mins ago I just ran update-manager update and it asked me to reboot and now i'm getting this | 07:41 |
| highvoltage | hey moquist and LaserJock | 07:41 |
| joebob777as7 | the greeter application appears to be crashing. attempting to use a different one | 07:41 |
| joebob777as7 | running gutsy | 07:41 |
| joebob777as7 | can someone help? | 07:41 |
| LaserJock | moquist: one sec | 07:42 |
| joebob777as7 | LaserJock, in two secs can you take a look at the issue i'm having? | 07:43 |
| joebob777as7 | can someone in here pastebin their gutsy /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file? | 07:45 |
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| stgraber | ogra: did you try edubuntu server i386 daily ? doesn't seem to boot here | 08:12 |
| ogra | no, i didnt | 08:12 |
| stgraber | argh, it boots on qemu | 08:12 |
| stgraber | maybe my DVD is finally dead (it's something like the 200th time I burn it :)) | 08:13 |
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| stgraber | it also work with qemu :) | 08:14 |
| stgraber | so that's my DVD reader which seems to be the problem (ubuntu feisty cd boots though) | 08:14 |
| ogra | hmm | 08:14 |
| ogra | USB ? | 08:14 |
| ogra | is a HUB involved ? | 08:14 |
| stgraber | nope, IDE | 08:14 |
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| ogra | weird | 08:15 |
| stgraber | yes, and it directly fails. Usually when it can't read a CD/DVD it takes a while before giving up | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | moquist: \o/ it works | 08:16 |
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| LaserJock | this is looking good | 08:24 |
| ogra | \o/ | 08:25 |
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| moquist | LaserJock: yay! What should we do about the deps? Obviously they're not working out that well right now... | 08:50 |
| LaserJock | yeah | 08:50 |
| ogra | for edubuntu its fine, we can make them edubuntu-server deps | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | I don't know why Debian wouldn't have an issue with that | 09:09 |
| ogra | i'm not sure we should divert to much from the debian deps ... all docs will be referring to "install php5-mysql" anyway i guess | 09:09 |
| ogra | in edubuntu we can rule it through seeds anyway | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | right | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | or at least moodle-standalone | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | maybe | 09:09 |
| ogra | yeah | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | although I'm not sure how to say postgresql|(mysql-server and php5-mysql) | 09:09 |
| ogra | not at all | 09:09 |
| ogra | php5-mysql | php5-postgresql, postgresql| mysql-server | 09:09 |
| ogra | well, in better order, but we should leave it like that | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | ah, right | 09:09 |
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| ogra | i aslo think moodle-standalone is for hardy ... | 09:09 |
| ogra | we can do it through edubuntu-server for now ... | 09:09 |
| ogra | else we'll have to fight them through NEW | 09:09 |
| moquist | Yep. I agree. | 09:09 |
| moquist | What about moodle-mysql-standalone and moodle-postgresql-standalone for hardy? | 09:09 |
| ogra | yeah | 09:09 |
| ogra | i like it ... | 09:09 |
| ogra | the moodle package itself shouldnt differ to much from debians dep wise imho ... so all debain install docs will still be helpful | 09:09 |
| ogra | and we'll surprise the users with the super easy moodle-*-standalone packages in hardy :) | 09:09 |
| LaserJock | ahh, that sounds rockin' | 09:09 |
| ogra | yeah | 09:09 |
| moquist | I'll contact the upstream maintainer once our wwwconfigless package is in main. | 09:11 |
| LaserJock | ok, I think I'm gonna upload it | 09:24 |
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| ogra | yeah, doit | 09:29 |
| ogra | ! | 09:29 |
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| racter | is there a wiki page or some other doc that would explain upgrading my server to gutsy? | 10:43 |
| sbalneav | There will be when gutsy's released | 10:44 |
| racter | :) | 10:49 |
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| LaserJock | moquist, ogra: uploaded, btw | 11:59 |
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