[07:32] <LaserJock> moquist: around?
[07:32] <moquist> yes
[07:32] <moquist> oddly enough
[07:32] <moquist> i want to be asleep in bed but I am not.
[07:33] <LaserJock> I'm testing moodle
[07:33] <LaserJock> I can't get the mysql install to work
[07:33] <LaserJock> after I install it I go to http://localhost/moodle/admin/ and it's just a blank page
[07:34] <moquist> what about http://localhost/moodle/ ?
[07:34] <LaserJock> same thing
[07:34] <moquist> Hmm. That's not great.
[07:34] <LaserJock> it looks like it's gonna load
[07:34] <moquist> Which DB type?
[07:34] <LaserJock> but it's just a blank page
[07:34] <LaserJock> mysql
[07:34] <LaserJock> postgresql works fine
[07:34] <moquist> heh; ok
[07:35] <moquist> do you know if the DB exists and is fine?
[07:35] <moquist> $ mysql
[07:35] <moquist> > show tables;
[07:35] <moquist> wait
[07:35] <moquist> > connect moodle;
[07:35] <moquist> > show tables;
[07:36] <moquist> can I have access to the system? :p (temporary ssh via a forwarded connection would be fine...you log into my network and I log back into your system)
[07:37] <LaserJock> well, I don't know if that'd work very well
[07:38] <LaserJock> it's kinda back behind a bunch of stuff in a VM
[07:38] <moquist> It would work jsut fine, as long as that system has access to the 'Net.
[07:38] <moquist> that's the beauty of forwarding ports via SSH.
[08:24] <lns> Reminds me of telnetting to the local library to go telnet from there somewhere else, hop...hop...hop... hehe
[12:02] <jonkke> Hi
[12:04] <jonkke> sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client?
[12:05] <jonkke> i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable
[01:44] <juliux> ogra, is it right that you want that we test http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20070913/  ?
[01:44] <ogra> juliux, yes
[01:45] <ogra> but you need extra big CDs or a dvd
[01:49] <juliux> np
[01:49] <juliux> i will find a extra big CD or an dvd drive
[02:55] <sbalneav> Morning all
[02:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> hi mate
[02:58] <sbalneav> ogra: I'm pushing my tree now for the compiz fix
[02:59] <ogra> hey, thanks
[02:59] <ogra> i was holding back the package :)
[02:59] <ogra> (fixed the SERVER/nbd issue)
[03:00] <sbalneav> I just deleted S15-compiz :)
[03:01] <ogra> and then ?
[03:01] <ogra> i tought yu wanted to default to off
[03:02] <ogra> just wrap the code in there in "if [ -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi"
[03:03] <ogra> err
[03:03] <ogra> "if [ ! -n USE_COMPIZ ] ;then ...; fi"
[03:03] <ogra> :)
[03:05] <ogra> sbalneav, so you wnat compiz on by default now ?
[03:05] <ogra> on all clients ?
[03:06] <sbalneav> it seems to shut itself off nicely on clients that can't handle it.
[03:07] <ogra> you tested ?
[03:07] <sbalneav> 5 clients
[03:07] <ogra> ok
[03:07] <ogra> we can still add it bavk if needed :)
[03:07] <ogra> *back
[03:12] <ogra> heh, my vitual virtualbox thin client's virtual graphics card has a virtual HW error
[03:22] <sbalneav> Hey, I've run into a minor bug last night, ogra, was wondering if you've seen it.
[03:23] <sbalneav> OK, so, boot the terminal, everything's fine.
[03:23] <ogra> tell me
[03:23] <sbalneav> Log in
[03:23] <sbalneav> Sessions' fine
[03:23] <sbalneav> log out
[03:23] <sbalneav> I get hung at an X
[03:23] <sbalneav> log in as root on ther terminal
[03:23] <sbalneav> the old X is still hanging around
[03:24] <sbalneav> new X keeps trying to start, and failing.
[03:24] <ogra> the ssh session not having been killed
[03:24] <ogra> ?
[03:24] <sbalneav> kill the old X
[03:24] <sbalneav> No, the ssh session's gone.
[03:24] <sbalneav> it's the X.
[03:24] <sbalneav> but get this, the waitpid for it has returned!
[03:24] <sbalneav> Because I do a waitpid for it in the ldm code
[03:24] <sbalneav> So, kill the old X
[03:25] <sbalneav> now, I can log in and log out fine
[03:25] <sbalneav> no problems, no matter how many times I do it.
[03:26] <sbalneav> One final data point
[03:26] <sbalneav> the FIRST time I log in, I don't get a startup sound, but I get a shutdown sound
[03:27] <sbalneav> After X has been killed, from then on I get BOTH a login and logout sound.
[03:27] <sbalneav> Weird, eh?
[03:29] <sbalneav> ogra: Oh, one other thing.  Minor fix to the update-image.
[03:30] <sbalneav> it was failing for me because $CHROOT/etc/ltsp didn't exist, so I added a test/mkdir for it
[03:30] <ogra> oh, right
[03:31] <ogra> even though we should probably have that as "create-confdir" plugin in ltsp-build-client rather
[03:31] <sbalneav> Yeah, probably.
[03:32] <sbalneav> Oh, and there was an extra "/" on the end of the default BASE variable that was screwing things up
[03:32] <sbalneav> so I fixed that too.
[03:32] <sbalneav> So, thoughts on that login/logout bug?  You seeing that on your end?
[03:35] <ogra> no
[03:35] <ogra> i once had the bug where the ssh session wasnt killed properly
[03:35] <ogra> but that was in an early version and you fixed it long ago
[03:36] <sbalneav> Hm
[03:36] <sbalneav> Well, I'll poke around with it tonight.
[03:40] <sbalneav> ogra: poke, check pvt
[03:40] <ogra> hmm, am i not logged in ...
[03:40] <ogra> meh
[03:41] <ogra> do you see it now ?
[03:47] <erwin_cano> Hola a todos
[03:47] <erwin_cano> muy buenos dias
[04:40] <LaserJock> morning
[04:40] <ogra> hey hey
[04:41] <bddebian> Heya
[04:44] <LaserJock> I still don't know why the world isn't on Pacific time ;-)
[04:53] <jonkke> sorry my bad english, but have anyone got HP laserjet 1020 printer working in ltsp client?
[04:53] <jonkke> i read that i need to upload firmware first and then printing works, but i don't know how i can do it. printer is connected to client via USB cable
[04:57] <sbalneav> jonkke: Currently, we don't have any provision for printers that need firmware downloaded.
[04:57] <sbalneav> You'd have to code something up yourself.
[04:57] <jonkke> I was afraid of that :)
[04:58] <jonkke> like in hell i know how to code anything. i just need to wait for "official" solution
[04:58] <ogra> hmm, not sure that works with hplip ...
[04:59] <jonkke> how?
[05:00] <ogra> http://hplip.sourceforge.net/supported_devices/unsupported.html
[05:00] <ogra> suggests it sint :/
[05:00] <ogra> *isnt
[05:30] <viv> Hi, we have an edubuntu lab running on donated corporate scrap and a dell server at eden campus, serving a depressed rural community in Karatara near Knysna. Thanks to a donation, we can upgrade. Does anybody know of sources for suitable low cost PXE clients?
[05:31] <LaserJock> hmm, got any spare PIIIs around?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> viv, are you after replacing your whole clients or just eh NIC?
[05:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> if you can reburn the rom in the network cards you dont have to replace the clients
[05:32] <viv> I'm in South Africa. I would like to get a small box with a 400Mhz via or similar with mouse kbd and usb
[05:32] <viv> I romboot from cd on some machines
[05:32] <viv> The lab is currently on old P2 and P3 machines
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> ask netday.
[05:33] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, but i cant offer anything past that *grin*
[05:33] <viv> Thanks. who is netday?
[05:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> its a company who run in south africa. iirc funded by shuttleworth
[05:34] <ogra> how about ebay ... http://cgi.ebay.com/9-Compaq-Evo-T20-Thin-Clients-238362-001_W0QQitemZ160157008558QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11218QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[05:34] <ogra> you'll find various like these
[05:34] <viv> Suggestions are getting better - thanks ogra, keep them coming
[05:34] <ogra> 6 clients for $100 ...
[05:36] <ogra> well, thats just an example
[05:37] <ogra> just search for thin client at ebay ... you will find a lot for not much money
[05:38] <Nubae> hi there... I'm using samba+ldap to authenticate users, and its working great, but I'm confused with giving permissions to users... I assume using the smbldap-usermod command in the terminal is the way to do this, but I read there is a graphical tool, by idealx
[05:38] <Nubae> I can't find this webmin extension anywhere though, anyone got experience with this?
[05:39] <viv> Oh yes. Thanks for that idea. fine offer. Are there any really neat little units that you know of - like this link http://www.lucidatech.com/product/lt2600.htm that work ok with edubuntu?
[05:40] <ogra> viv, very likely, yes
[05:40] <Nubae> idealx.org now goes to opentrust.com
[05:40] <Nubae> with no mention anywhere of smbldap-tools... is this now unsupported... does anyone know?
[05:41] <ogra> no idea, but doesnt swat have such functionallity ?
[05:41] <viv> Thanks - I'm off to do some more research. I'd like a South African supplier if possible.
[05:41] <Nubae> hmmm, dont think it integrates with ldap
[05:42] <Nubae> well, this was by far the easiest and fastest way to get every non thin client authenticating from the same source
[05:42] <Nubae> but now modifying existing entries seems complicated
[05:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> pam ftw
[05:43] <Nubae> ?
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> its not a particularly helpful comment, but its my opinion
[05:44] <ogra> Nubae, edsadmin or lot are pretty good gui tools for ldap management ... not sure how good they integrate with samba here though
[05:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> unless its freeradius, in which case its just plain anoying
[05:45] <Nubae> yeah I saw that in the blueprints for gutsy+1
[05:46] <Nubae> but this idealx, the makers of smbldap-tools had a webmin plugin, and neither idealx nor the plugin seem to be on the net anymore
[05:47] <ogra> well, webmin is dead since quite some time, isnt it ?
[05:47] <ogra> r did someone final ytake it over ?
[05:50] <Nubae> webmin seems pretty alive to me: www.webmin.com
[05:50] <stgraber> ogra: want any debian-installer testing on today daily ?
[05:50] <Nubae> daily updates
[05:51] <ogra> stgraber, any i can get :) but the iso is pretty oversized (/me shakes fist in openoffice direction)
[05:52] <ogra> stgraber, mkfifo is fixed, but i'm not sure yet that the in-target call of the script leaves enough output through to even read from the pipe and have anything showing up in the progress bar
[05:53] <stgraber> ogra: I do all testing on DVD+RW so that's not a problem
[05:54] <Nubae> I've read that automatix really breaks things, should I disable its use on my client systems?
[05:54] <ogra> if you have installed and used it you have already lost
[05:55] <Kamping_Kaiser> *no one* should ever use it
[05:55] <ogra> right
[05:55] <ogra> http://mjg59.livejournal.com/ for more background
[05:56] <Nubae> yeah read that... I havent installed it, but people here at the school I'm currently setting up, have asked for it
[05:57] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, stand firm... *please*
[05:57] <Nubae> yeah I will... what about oxygen office?
[05:58] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont know it - cant comment
[05:58] <Nubae> just a bunch of extensions, clipart, templates, etc for OOo
[05:58] <Nubae> seems allright, but dont want problems :-)
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> got a link?
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> actually, dont bother
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> with my connection atm i wont load it for the next 15 min :S
[05:59] <Nubae> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=690864
[06:00] <Nubae> just text no pics ;-)
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> *load
[06:01] <Nubae> hey, I sort of left it alone, cause I was having issues, but my dansguardian starts up saying it cant find the parent proxy, is that a known problem?
[06:01] <Nubae> and squid looks like its running, from processes at least
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> never seen that before
[06:01] <ogra> devs that have to call their products "Professional" always appear a bit suspect to me ...
[06:01] <Kamping_Kaiser> what ubuntu are you running?
[06:02] <Nubae> edu feisty
[06:02] <Nubae> well, it was called open office premium before
[06:02] <Nubae> not that much of a change ;-)
[06:03] <ogra> yeah
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. my latest version is 6.06.1+updates.
[06:04] <Nubae> well, gonna leave it till I finish the hundred other tasks I have...
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, is dans running?
[06:08] <Nubae> I'm not really sure actually, it shows up in the processes
[06:08] <Nubae> but nothing is logging
[06:08] <Nubae> I'll show u the output:
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> pastebin/email
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> dont flood the channel :)
[06:09] <Nubae> its just 3 lines
[06:09] <Kamping_Kaiser> ok, flood it :)
[06:09] <Nubae> sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/squid start
[06:09] <Nubae>  * Starting Squid HTTP proxy squid                                       [ OK ] 
[06:09] <Nubae> sysadmin@mayserve:~/smbldap-installer$ sudo /etc/init.d/dansguardian start
[06:09] <Nubae>  * Starting DansGuardian dansguardian                                           Error connecting to parent proxy
[06:09] <Nubae>                                                                          [fail] 
[06:10] <Kamping_Kaiser> whats `ps aux |grep dans` give?
[06:11] <ogra> dans didnt start
[06:11] <ogra> did you change your config on either side ?
[06:11] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont like to cut my nose off to spite my face :)
[06:13] <Nubae> either side? squid.conf and dansguardian.conf?
[06:13] <ogra> either of these, yes
[06:14] <Kamping_Kaiser> or networking, for that matter
[06:14] <Nubae> not running now... but it has been in the past...  I set up dans with kaiser... so dont think that is the problem
[06:14] <ogra> either dans doesnt find squid or squid doesnt allow connections from dans
[06:14] <Nubae> maybe squid not allowing connections from dans...
[06:14] <Nubae> what should I look at for that?
[06:15] <Nubae> or u mean look at firewall
[06:15] <Nubae> btw... edsadmin is great :-) Was trying to use phpldapadmin before
[06:16] <Nubae> this is much much better
[06:16] <ogra> sbalneav, hmm, my recent fresh ltsp chroot has (none) as hostname by default
[06:16] <sbalneav> Hm!
[06:16] <ogra> and my mouse in virtualbx doesnt work :/
[06:16] <sbalneav> I rebuilt my chroot last night, and I'm handing out hostnames, and it was working.
[06:17] <sbalneav> I'll have to play around more.
[06:17] <sbalneav> Should just be the ip address.
[06:17] <ogra> i dont hand them out in dhcp
[06:17] <ogra> oh, you default to the ip ? thats a good idea :)
[06:18] <ogra> we can drop the ip from the ldm info line at the bottom then
[06:18] <ogra> if hostname is set the machine should be reachable by it ... if not you see the ip :)
[06:19] <ogra> ooooh
[06:19] <ogra> wait !
[06:19] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, hm.
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, sorry, but i think i'm a bit drunk to answer any question properly :S
[06:20] <Kamping_Kaiser> i might be helpful though :S
[06:21] <ogra> heh, using the right boot kernel makes the mouse work :)
[06:21] <Nubae> hehe drunk on a weekday? must have had a hard day
[06:21] <ogra> sbalneav, false alert
[06:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:22] <ogra> sbalneav, it shows ltsp as name now
[06:24] <sbalneav> cool
[06:25] <ogra> whoops
[06:25] <ogra> where does the floppy come from ?
[06:25] <ogra> ah, wait, my old image had ltspfsd 4.3 :)
[06:25] <Nubae> sigh... access rights are totally not being parsed by ldap... If I add a user, it allows access to the thin clients... but changing the groups does nothing
[06:25] <ogra> great, so even ltspfs seems to work nicely here
[06:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> Nubae, no, i got a call today saying i start work next wed for a few weeks (with more if i dont stuff up), so its worth getting drunmk over :)
[06:27] <Nubae> wow great... linux work?
[06:28] <Kamping_Kaiser> yeah. setting up etiher a debian or ubuntu server to replace a (rather long in tooth) freebsd server
[06:29] <Kamping_Kaiser> it'll be a challenge at best :) but i'm looking forward to it - challanges are up ther eon my 'todo'
[06:29] <Nubae> ever worked with freebsd?
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i tried to install it abou 3 years ago (before i started on debian/ubuntu) and never got it to install properly
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> i kept running out of inodes
[06:30] <Kamping_Kaiser> such is the arogance of youth.
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> '5000 inodes, who the hell would use all of that? who cares what an inode is?'
[06:31] <Nubae> know a lot of sysadmins that swear by it
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i think it finished installing *once*.
[06:31] <Kamping_Kaiser> i know a few, the freebsd culture is interesting
[06:31] <Nubae> still, the times are a changing.... Linux is shinning brighter now
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'm still not keen on Linux per se, but Debian only (realiistically) comes in linux variant
[06:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> when hurd actually *works* i'll moving
[06:33] <Nubae> ok... so edsadmin + samba dont work
[06:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sorry, cant help with ldap
[06:35] <Nubae> was just a statement :-) but edsadmin does look so simple and easy to use
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh shit. its after 2am
[06:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> um... 'oh blast'
[06:44] <ogra> sbalneav, so i wonder if we shouldnt submit all the LTSP_CLIENT patches i maintain in GNOME upstream ...
[06:45] <ogra> nautilus, gnome-vfs, gnome-power-manager, gnome-screensaver, NM since gutsy, fusa as well, gnome-users-admin
[06:47] <sbalneav> Shoot 'em along, see what they say!
[07:36] <moquist> LaserJock: didja install php5-mysql and have better luck?
[07:41] <joebob777as7> tanath, this morning. five mins ago I just ran update-manager update and it asked me to reboot and now i'm getting this
[07:41] <highvoltage> hey moquist and LaserJock
[07:41] <joebob777as7> the greeter application appears to be crashing. attempting to use a different one
[07:41] <joebob777as7> running gutsy
[07:41] <joebob777as7> can someone help?
[07:42] <LaserJock> moquist: one sec
[07:43] <joebob777as7> LaserJock, in two secs can you take a look at the issue i'm having?
[07:45] <joebob777as7> can someone in here pastebin their gutsy /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file?
[08:12] <stgraber> ogra: did you try edubuntu server i386 daily ? doesn't seem to boot here
[08:12] <ogra> no, i didnt
[08:12] <stgraber> argh, it boots on qemu
[08:13] <stgraber> maybe my DVD is finally dead (it's something like the 200th time I burn it :))
[08:14] <stgraber> it also work with qemu :)
[08:14] <stgraber> so that's my DVD reader which seems to be the problem (ubuntu feisty cd boots though)
[08:14] <ogra> hmm
[08:14] <ogra> USB ?
[08:14] <ogra> is a HUB involved ?
[08:14] <stgraber> nope, IDE
[08:15] <ogra> weird
[08:15] <stgraber> yes, and it directly fails. Usually when it can't read a CD/DVD it takes a while before giving up
[08:16] <LaserJock> moquist: \o/ it works
[08:24] <LaserJock> this is looking good
[08:25] <ogra> \o/
[08:50] <moquist> LaserJock: yay! What should we do about the deps? Obviously they're not working out that well right now...
[08:50] <LaserJock> yeah
[09:09] <ogra> for edubuntu its fine, we can make them edubuntu-server deps
[09:09] <LaserJock> I don't know why Debian wouldn't have an issue with that
[09:09] <ogra> i'm not sure we should divert to much from the debian deps ... all docs will be referring to "install php5-mysql" anyway i guess
[09:09] <ogra> in edubuntu we can rule it through seeds anyway
[09:09] <LaserJock> right
[09:09] <LaserJock> or at least moodle-standalone
[09:09] <LaserJock> maybe
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:09] <LaserJock> although I'm not sure how to say postgresql|(mysql-server and php5-mysql)
[09:09] <ogra> not at all
[09:09] <ogra> php5-mysql | php5-postgresql, postgresql| mysql-server
[09:09] <ogra> well, in better order, but we should leave it like that
[09:09] <LaserJock> ah, right
[09:09] <ogra> i aslo think moodle-standalone is for hardy ...
[09:09] <ogra> we can do it through edubuntu-server for now ...
[09:09] <ogra> else we'll have to fight them through NEW
[09:09] <moquist> Yep. I agree.
[09:09] <moquist> What about moodle-mysql-standalone and moodle-postgresql-standalone for hardy?
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:09] <ogra> i like it ...
[09:09] <ogra> the moodle package itself shouldnt differ to much from debians dep wise imho ... so all debain install docs will still be helpful
[09:09] <ogra> and we'll surprise the users with the super easy moodle-*-standalone packages in hardy :)
[09:09] <LaserJock> ahh, that sounds rockin'
[09:09] <ogra> yeah
[09:11] <moquist> I'll contact the upstream maintainer once our wwwconfigless package is in main.
[09:24] <LaserJock> ok, I think I'm gonna upload it
[09:29] <ogra> yeah, doit
[09:29] <ogra> !
[10:43] <racter> is there a wiki page or some other doc that would explain upgrading my server to gutsy?
[10:44] <sbalneav> There will be when gutsy's released
[10:49] <racter> :)
[11:59] <LaserJock> moquist, ogra: uploaded, btw