=== tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === attunix [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:24] When's tribe 6 coming out? [01:25] attunix, tribe 6 is a milestone, it won't be a release like the others [01:25] attunix, it is not a release [01:25] ie bugs are targeted for it, but it won't be made into a cd [01:25] I know. [01:26] Do you know when it's coming out, though, it's taking a while for the next milestone to come out? === alex-weej_ [n=alex@cpc2-darl3-0-0-cust237.midd.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hydrogen [n=hydrogen@ignorance.campus.alfred.edu] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] === hydrogen [n=hydrogen@ignorance.campus.alfred.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Xero [n=xero9364@c-24-126-30-244.hsd1.wv.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:32] Where can I find the planned Gutsy artwork? (meaning, wallpaper) === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === habeeb [n=hab@athedsl-133346.home.otenet.gr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:35] http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1709545 <--- ben folds is awesome! [01:36] and postal service is ok... [01:36] Hello, Gutsy can't mount my external hard disk as normal, I had to tweak it. Feisty does it normally, tho. [01:36] erm. [01:36] wrong channel. [01:36] fuck why do I keep doing that? === attunix [n=patrick@c-71-203-10-234.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === xtknight_ [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:42] habeeb: tweak it how? [01:43] jrib, yeah, we get to the problem. I had to wipe my hard drive, yesterday, so I don't remember. But basicaly, I had to install ntfs-3g and the rest, and then modify the fstab entry. Sorry that I can't help you further with what I did (I was searching o nthe forums for liek 1 hour, so I'm not sure what I used in the end), but I can always tell you my HD model [01:44] Is this a known issue btw? [01:44] habeeb: no idea if it's known, best place to check is bugs.ubuntu.com === clooch [n=clooch@66.231.221.19] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === manchicken [n=manchick@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:49] So I was hoping that power management might be nicer under gnome. [01:50] It appears that I've got no such luck. === Onyxyte [i=Onyxyte@r75-110-104-20.rmntcmtc01.rcmtnc.ab.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 === d4rkmonkey is now known as ^chuckbot^ === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ^chuckbot^ is now known as d4rkmonkey === d4rkmonkey is now known as DarkNorris === rockets [n=rockets@64.113.245.66] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:13] how do I upgrade my ubuntu to the unfinished GG? [02:13] i wont say beta because apparently theres some semantic game with that [02:14] ? is there a package in synaptic? === gershon [n=root@194.90.216.23] has joined #ubuntu+1 === gershon [n=root@194.90.216.23] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:21] hello, i have a broken mkinitramfs === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:21] /usr/sbin/mkinitramfs: 13: getopt: not found === grndslm [n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === grndslm_ [n=grndslm@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:25] apt-file search bash === DeepB [n=Joe@unaffiliated/deepb] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DarkNorris is now known as DarkMonkey === DarkMonkey is now known as d4rkmonkey [02:27] hmm, so how do u search apt-file? [02:28] gershon have you tried man apt-file ? [02:29] nvm.. [02:31] Warkrafting tiem!!! [02:32] d4rkmonkey: yeah, problem is its not syncing, apt-file update [02:32] so im guessing mkinitramfs comes from initramfs-tools? [02:33] I don't know? I'm not vry helpful most of the time... [02:33] *very [02:33] coz its broke. === Do`` [n=stuffor@dsl77-234-81-75.pool.tvnet.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ion [n=ion@71-223-67-22.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@71-9-52-25.static.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SpudDogg [n=spuddogg@c-76-109-159-194.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-59-167-223.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:56] whos in charge of the souund theme? [02:56] -u [02:57] W: The "upgrade" command is deprecated; use "safe-upgrade" instead. === hydrogen [n=hydrogen@ignorance.campus.alfred.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:00] hehe, commandline aptitude was acting up, so i dist-upgraded === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:00] So canonical are the only folks that choose art? :( [03:02] u talking about ubuntustudio? [03:03] no, the art packages [03:04] imo, the apple swirls and waves should be scrapped === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.241.231] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] in the sound theme? === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:12] in the wallpapers :) i want to get my grubby hands on the sound theme sources [03:13] I have a single layer DVD-R (it's a movie), and I wanted to copy this movie to another DVD-R, I have a dvdrom drive, and an additional dvd-rw drive. What program can I use to easily do this? [03:13] hi, i got this at the last update, some errors with apparmor http://ubuntuusers.de/paste/14914/ === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:20] Hi, can someone help me with a nautilus contaxt-menu problem please? [03:20] gershon is back on track, and out single user :) === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:23] my context (right-click) menu works half way only === linxeh [n=linx@88-96-202-38.dsl.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:24] so, whats the story with massively crippled konqueror in gutsy? [03:24] someone else has to have noticed it by now [03:26] sparr maybe its just your system for some reason... I've seen many people come into this channel and say that something is crippled when it works fine for everyone else. [03:27] it works fine for me ^ [03:27] this isnt something small [03:27] the entire program has changed [03:27] it has new sidebars that didnt exist before [03:27] different View->View Mode entries [03:27] a new location bar widget [03:27] this is a massive change [03:27] some of it is better [03:27] but a lot of old features are missing [03:28] i dont know how anyone could not get what im talking about [03:28] its like a completely different program [03:28] not for me.. === maccam94 [n=cam@pool-72-72-13-241.bstnma.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:31] help, about kde [03:31] 3.5.7? [03:31] whoa [03:31] its not konqueror [03:31] its something called Dolphin [03:31] dolphin? [03:31] wtf? [03:31] dolphins the new default file manager [03:32] ive got debconf set to ask EVERY question, and i dont recall being asked about replacing konqueror [03:32] you can uninstall it if you want to keep using konqueror [03:32] dolphin is insanely inferior to konqueror, i dont see how it could possibly be a viable replacement before gutsy releases [03:33] if thats your opinion, than uninstall it and use konqueror [03:33] ... [03:33] at least dash ASKED if i wanted to replace bash as sh [03:34] and thats a hell of a lot less of a workflow-destroying change than this [03:35] ... [03:35] dolphin doesnt have HALF the view modes of konqueror [03:35] i've already given you the solution [03:35] Instead of ranting [03:35] either fix it, or be quiet [03:35] i think you misunderstand my problem [03:36] my problem isnt getting back to konqueror [03:36] my problem is that dolphin is replacing konqueror as the default [03:36] everyone ive ever walked through selecting kde over gnome has loved the versatility of konq as a file manager over nautilus. this is a huge hole in kubuntu's edge over ubuntu === DanaG [n=DanaG@71-9-52-25.static.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:38] http://hardocp.com/news.html?news=MjgwMTksLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdCwsLDE= -- woah, ATI releases 900 pages of GPU specs. === Frogzoo [n=Frogzoo@202.155.165.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:39] Sadly, it's only for recent cards. [03:39] i think it'll apply to older cards as well [03:39] im more impressed by QNX releasing the source to their microkernel, and soon their whole OS [03:39] plus they've already released older specs under NDA before, so they'll probably re-release them without NDA [03:39] sparr: Its a prepatory move for kde4 I believe... I think its a little to soon myself [03:39] but then again I use konsole as my file manager so I'm fairly indifferent [03:40] hydrogen: ill have to check out the kde4 version of dolphin and see if its better [03:40] it is :) [03:40] for now, dolphin doesnt even come close to what ive come to expect konqueror to do [03:40] no 'Image View' and no 'File Size View' make it worthless for me [03:41] 90% of my use of konqueror is to manipulate my photos in route from the camera to my albums, and to find and manage large files [03:41] so uninstall it :) [03:41] and the other 10% of the time, for normal file management, i dont think i could live without tabs... [03:41] or you can reconfigure it [03:41] no tabs, what is this, 1995? [03:41] somewhere [03:41] hmm [03:42] I'm curious as to what this konquerer is... [03:42] tabs are fairly overrated === d4rkmonkey installs it [03:42] I don't need KDE for konquerer!!! [03:42] d4rkmonkey: its the kde file manager / web browser [03:42] d4rkmonkey: well, it's a KDE equivalent of nautilus/windows explorer [03:42] its by far the most advanced of its sort of app that ive encountered [03:42] well [03:42] I know its the file manager, I meant I was curious as to how well it works [03:42] its not the equivilent [03:42] i think it's a bit more like explorer, since it does both web and file system [03:42] its kind of like the superbetter :) [03:43] ermm.. [03:43] my terminal isn't liking me very much right now.. [03:43] meh, i don't like kde apps, they start too many services (i don't use gnome or kde, i use e17) [03:43] oh [03:43] nvm! it was just being retarded [03:43] you use the constant buzzword [03:43] that will never be released === hydrogen stops trolling :) [03:44] what, e17? [03:44] you're talking to someone who enjoys running gentoo unstable [03:44] releases mean nothing to me, just my clients ;-) [03:44] I don't think I'd ever really need konquerer... [03:44] what is e17? === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:45] d4rkmonkey: view, view mode, file size view [03:45] its a different window manager [03:45] lightweight, pretty window manager ^_^ [03:45] and desktop environment [03:45] :O [03:45] its not a DE [03:45] its very close [03:45] it has lots and lots of applications [03:45] sparr I don't like konquerer. [03:45] kde is so much more than a window manager. kwin is the window manager, you can easily use e17 instead of kwin. [03:45] yeh, but its not :) [03:45] well, it has kind of become a DE [03:45] that are ecentric [03:45] almost eccentric [03:45] it's got a whole bunch of it's own apps (they all start with e) [03:45] :) [03:45] what is the command for upgrading to the latest build of Gutsy Gibbon? [03:45] and a file manager [03:46] go ask if its a DE in #e [03:46] i like kde because of all the DE stuff, not the WM stuff. i like that kioslaves let me open sftp:// URLs directly in kate and kdevelop [03:46] laptop if you already have gutsy installed, it just updates automatically in the system updates.. [03:46] laptop: aske in #ubuntu+1 [03:46] laptop if not, try update-manager -d [03:46] THAT feature, more than anything else, is why ive always loved kde [03:46] laptop or update-manager -c -d [03:46] h1st0: where do you think we are :) [03:46] h1st0 this is #ubuntu+1... [03:46] okay [03:46] hydrogen: lol wow wrong channel [03:46] which one? [03:47] laptop which one what? [03:47] with the c or without [03:47] you've got the engage dock, you've got the enlightenment window manager, you've got the new file manager (can't remember the name), you've got the entrance login manager... what does a DE consist of? [03:47] laptop both should work... theoretically... there was some bug though that affected some people where their meta-release file wasn't proper, I can help you with that if thats the case, cus I went through that [03:48] ahh okkay [03:48] oh shoot... i came in here to ask about some bugs... got sidetracked lol [03:48] i've got feisty upgraded to gutsy on an old latitude [03:49] maccam94: no really, its not a DE. yet. [03:49] e17 will be [03:49] brightness control is totally broken [03:49] if it ever gets released [03:49] which is doubtful :) [03:49] it doesn't need to be released, even under development it's stable enough ;-) === tehk [n=tehk@c-68-44-165-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:49] THAT WORKED THANK YOU [03:49] for me anyway [03:49] maccam94: a DE is about integration and services, not about applications [03:49] laptop no problem, lay off the caps though ;) [03:50] maccam94: kioslaves are a major part of what makes KDE great [03:50] sparr: integration with what? [03:50] maccam94: other parts of the DE :) [03:50] sparr: yes, i just don't like having to run them all for a single KDE app [03:50] maccam94: EVERY kde application can open sftp:// and smb:// and ftp:// URLs directly, because KDE provides that. [03:50] sparr: i know the concept behind them [03:51] if i was running the whole DE, i'm sure they would be useful [03:51] i dont know how i would live, as a web developer, without being able to do sftp:// and ftp:// in my editors [03:51] name os not defined?> [03:51] but i don't WANT it to start all of those "features" when all I want to do is play my local music files in amarok [03:51] NameError [03:51] oh shoot, what's that fix for the missing release file for laptop? [03:52] Global name os not defined [03:52] laptop: missing release file? [03:52] uhh [03:52] meta-release ? [03:52] that thingy [03:52] !update [03:52] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [03:52] dbus not defined [03:52] http://paste.ubuntu.com/42/ <-- that was my meta-release [03:53] try replacing your ~/.update-manager-core/meta-release file with http://paste.ubuntu.com/42/ [03:54] but yeah, i've got a bug with brightness control [03:55] anyone i should get troubleshooting tips from, or should i submit a bug, or what? [03:55] try submitting a bug, my brightness controls didn't work properly until recently.. and sometimes they randomly go to near-dimmest setting [03:58] another issue i've seen is i've tried the fast user switching applet [03:58] but the new account cannot use the touchpad or mouse buttons [03:59] the push stick works in both sessions, but no mouse buttons or touchpad functionality in the new session === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@89.240.241.231] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === IntuitiveNipple [n=TJ@alexandros.tjworld.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === nickrud [n=nickrud_@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/nickrud] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:15] debaiting whether I should compile the 2.6.22 from kernel org.... [04:15] no. [04:15] why would you? [04:16] d4rkmonkey: just to add some stuff and get rid of some other thing sthat I don't need [04:16] pffft [04:16] not worth it [04:16] low latency etc.. === jayson_r [n=jayson@216.218.106.141] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:16] PFFFT [04:17] lol [04:17] mostly just to do it to learn [04:17] maybe i'll make a seperate partition and point grub at it and play over there. [04:18] idk guess I could build a deb then it wouldnt' matter. [04:19] Compiling kernels has never ended well for me. === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Centaur5 [n=fishman@144.38.225.54] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:19] Almost every time, it's been unable to find root fs. [04:19] Even though I have libata and all the stuff that I should need to read this HDD, but still nada. [04:20] And when you look at it, compiling your own kernel is hardly necessary nowadays...Most things are modules that you can unload at your leisure. [04:20] If you don't wanna rmmod session after session, just blacklist it. === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:21] h1st0: if you do want to learn, go ahead. its a fun experience applying patchsets [04:21] just keep a working kernel handy, as always [04:22] Oh yeah i still have my kernel know I'm just thinking of doing it for learning experience. [04:25] Anyone know of a way to get the date the system was installed? [04:25] (If there is a way...) [04:25] I could've sworn there was one, but I don't know it. [04:26] there might be a log file created by the ubuntu installer [04:26] i forget where it is though [04:32] maccam94: proly in /var/log somewhere === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:36] Ah, found it. [04:36] /var/log/installer === valles [n=valles@190.37.168.189] has joined #ubuntu+1 === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:45] wow they've seriously messed up my video performance with xorg updates [04:45] getting horrible rates in counter strike [04:46] Hmm. [04:46] My X performance has actually improved heh. [04:47] I have nvidia using nvidia-glx though [04:48] half tempte dto try the nivdia.com driver though this is just unplayable now. [04:48] network manager (nm-applet) is still broken, huh? shows my conn. as d/c when it's really up [04:49] nm works for me [04:49] i got to see failsafe X today though. quite awesome (w/ its share of roadblocks of course) === root__ [n=root@207.254.168.168] has joined #ubuntu+1 === SeveredCross hasn't seen failsafe X yet. [04:49] my nm works if i ifdown&&ifup but at startup nm-applet is always showing d/c [04:49] how without cron do I pass bash a command to execute another command sometime from now? [04:49] at! [04:49] nmapplet is broken [04:49] which version? 0.6.5 works fine for me and always has [04:49] dont use it [04:50] nmapplet works for me too. [04:50] xtknight: I'd check NetworkManagerDispatcher then [04:50] root__, i figure as much [04:50] There was some breakage around tribe 3. [04:50] But it's been fixed for a long time. [04:50] hmm Dispatcher? [04:50] nm-applet 0.6.5 [04:50] just remove it from your panel if it shows contrary to the real setup [04:50] root__: sleep? [04:50] otherwise you have a problem [04:50] xtknight: "ps -ef | grep NetworkManager" should show two: NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher [04:50] why are there so many regressions ? i just want a working network icon [04:50] sleep how long ? [04:51] does it run in minutes ? [04:51] root__: how long do you want it to wait to run the command [04:51] root__: man sleep [04:51] 2 hs [04:51] ok [04:51] thanks! [04:51] sleep 7200 && command [04:51] Should do it. [04:51] IntuitiveNipple, yup it does [04:51] just run wine doors [04:51] xtknight: is this x86 arch with 32-bit or 64-bit? [04:51] SeveredCross: you know you can specify minutes and hours? [04:51] IntuitiveNipple, amd64 ubuntu === SeveredCross had no idea. [04:52] ok, I'm running 64-bit here, no problems [04:52] oops [04:52] 3m = 3 minutes :) [04:52] I never bothered to use it for any lengthy period of time, I just figured all it did was seconds. [04:52] how do I switch back to the other thingy [04:52] IntuitiveNipple, so when you restart, nm-applet reports there your interface is up? [04:52] im in bitchx [04:52] if i restart eth0 it will work forever untli next boot. [04:52] hmm [04:52] xtknight: After my laptop de-hibernated earlier the nmapplet was missing so I simply restarted NetworkManager... === root__ [n=root@207.254.168.168] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [04:54] xtknight: try "sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher stop && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager stop && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager start && sudo /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher start" === Do`` [n=stuffor@dsl85-238-88-199.pool.tvnet.hu] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:54] still hear me ? === Larry1981 [n=larry_la@ip-76.86.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tehk [n=tehk@c-68-44-165-48.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:55] Yes [04:55] ya it acted like it was restarting interface [04:55] i guess it was just restarting nm-applet but it shows connected now === musikgoat [n=musikgoa@71.239.72.124] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:55] often i get info in network manager that says 0.0.0.0 even when connection is up, this is sporadic [04:56] Well [04:56] Restarting NetworkManager won't restart nm-applet [04:56] w/e Int typed fixed it for me [04:56] nm-applet runs on its own process and talks to NetworkManager via DBus. [04:56] He restarted NetworkManager and NetworkManagerDispatcher [04:56] I was just pointing out. :) [04:57] i'm the only one with this problem i take it ? [04:57] lol i'm used to this [04:57] I've never had it to be honest. [04:57] ah. i have had it in feisty when everyone had it, and have had it in gutsy forever [04:57] xtknight: I'm pretty hot on the bug-tracker and not seen anything similar for nmapplet. The recent issues with NM and open networks with ipw3945 are sorted as of last weekend [04:58] my network driver (sky2) is a mess, maybe that's part of the problem [04:58] i have lots of network issues too [04:58] xtknight: I was about to suggest that [04:58] sounds like you need to solve those first :) [04:58] yeah sky2 issues that is although my router/cable modem have been great lately [04:59] reported a bug for it, i'm trying a new kernel right now to see if sky2 issues are fixed [05:00] i hate to overload them with more bugs so i will wait after i'm not having any more sky2 issues until i report nm-applet bugs [05:00] The sooner things are reported, the sooner they'll show up on someone's radar === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:00] as long as they're definite problems, not just symptoms of another problem :) [05:01] ya no idea really. usually i just wait and see if updates fix it [05:01] Gutsy has started to show some polish this past 10 days [05:01] i've reported so many bugs despite my 'wait and watch' approache [05:02] i think they will have to have a section on the pie chart for me :p [05:02] I was working on three ACPI bugs, and fixes elsewere solved them! I still don't know what changed, but at least it eased up my workload :) [05:02] lol === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.162.159.214] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight tries to suspend his pc, don't expect me to come back soon === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:20] well the nvidia.com drivers provide better performance but a few other issues have popped up. [05:20] Can switch to a virtual console screen just goes black. And if desktop effects is running switching back to f7 will lock up the pc [05:21] Begining to lose faith in ubuntu [05:21] yea [05:21] i don't blame you [05:21] using an alpha product [05:21] that doesn't work right [05:21] what the fuck is ubuntu thinking [05:21] No thats not the problem the problem is these bugs have been here since feisty yet they are ignored [05:22] in feisty you couldn't even switch users using nvidia card system would lock up. [05:22] ubuntu blames nvidia nvidia blames ubuntu etc... problem never gets fixed. [05:22] So i'm no longer reporting bugs. I don't care anymore. [05:23] h1st0: the 'black' screen is because fbcon isn't being loaded - kernel has vesafb built-in but doesn't load the text-console driver [05:24] im using nvidia.com drivers now on Gutsy. i have about every single issue under the sun but nothing wrong with video [05:24] IntuitiveNipple: which black screen? [05:24] dual monitors/etc [05:24] I solved the 'black windows' issue too, by adding an nvidia module kernel option [05:24] h1st0: The virtual TTYs being black/blank [05:24] suspend made me goto busybox at first lol [05:24] by adding the nvidia module kernel option where? [05:25] i thought the black windows prevention was a compiz option [05:25] xtknight: try runnign glxgears [05:25] k [05:25] ya seems to run here [05:25] 65735 frames in 5.0 seconds = 13146.939 FPS [05:25] IntuitiveNipple: and the fix is? [05:26] this one: [ 92.577314] NVRM: loading NVIDIA UNIX x86_64 Kernel Module 100.14.11 Wed Jun 13 16:33:22 PDT 2007 [05:26] but i'm using 2.6.23-rc6 [05:26] h1st0: I added to /etc/modprobe.d/nvidia-kernel-nkc === musikgoat [n=musikgoa@71.239.72.124] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving."] [05:26] IntuitiveNipple: are you using the nvidia-glx package? [05:26] pretty sure .22-11 was fine too with planet penguin [05:26] IntuitiveNipple: I have that file. [05:27] nvidia-glx-new [05:27] h1st0: I added nvidia module options; checked out what is available using modinfo nvidia [05:28] my x crashed when i tested glxgears, just now :P with the newest compiz build from gutsy's repo, self build nvidia drivers [05:28] that's for the black windows in Gnome, when using GL (such as Google Earth) [05:28] Aondo: it will crash on any app using gl [05:28] for blank virtual consoles, that needs fbcon loading in initrd [05:28] h1st0, X crashes? [05:28] didnt use to be like that :/ [05:28] Aondo: known bug, its in launchpad being dealt with [05:29] with beryl atleast, if i remember right hehe [05:29] make sure your kernel and library nvidia drivers are the same version [05:29] ok [05:29] Aondo: I know but ubuntu devs say its nvidia problem even thought he drivers didn't change [05:29] its a combination problem [05:29] the bug was kind of up in the air iircf [05:30] its only a nvidia problem in the "they use binary drivers" sense [05:30] There was a change in the latest xorg; Nvidia have apparently said its due to be fixed in upcoming drivers [05:30] IntuitiveNipple: there are all sorts of other bugs. [05:30] h1st0: It wouldn't be linux if there weren't :) [05:31] true [05:31] the bug being talked about (gl stuff crashing in compiz) is due to an abi change where there shouldn't have been one in xorg [05:31] well i guess i'll try the nvidia-glx-new package now [05:31] and nvidia's drivers, being binary, crash then [05:31] glx-new is 100.14.11 too isnt it? [05:31] Yes [05:32] just going to see if that has the same problems as the one from nvidia's site [05:32] like window contents not being displayed on resize [05:33] glx-new depends on 2.6.11-386 [05:33] wth [05:33] So much for that working === user01 [n=user01@166.128.185.54] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:36] would it be ok to install gutsy on my laptop and it would upgrade to release version in october? [05:36] probably not and yes === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:37] only ok if you can live with some issues, you know you can live with/solv :D [05:37] user01 Like everything; it depends on the specific hardware [05:37] is there a black hole in my HD? /dev/sda4 11G 8.7G 890M 91% / [05:37] hydrogen: i just didnt want to install feisty now only to upgrade to gutsy in a month [05:37] 8.7/11G*100= not 91 [05:37] Since the last week everything has worked fine on my recent Sony Vaio, for example [05:38] user01: upgrading isn't that much of a trouble [05:38] IntuitiveNipple: its an ibm thinkpad t40 [05:38] xtknight: sometimes rounding can give you weird things like that... [05:38] try just df [05:38] hydrogen: i dont know my computer was really slow going from edgy to feisty [05:38] to see it in bytes [05:38] user01: Should be pretty safe then :) try a recent CD to save on lots of updates after install: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ === h1st0 [n=histo@h232.64.140.67.ip.alltel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:39] Okay explain this to me how this is nvidia's problem? [05:39] user01: make sure the liveCD is happy first :) [05:39] If I install nvidia.com drivers I have no problem running glxgears. [05:39] If I use nvidia-glx-new glxgears restarts X [05:39] No that is f'd up [05:39] hydrogen, well i get 86% that way. still 5% missing, a little odd [05:39] /dev/sda4 10562748 9115420 910760 91% / [05:39] real is 86 i mean [05:39]