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tza_is there documentation regarding 2.6.20-16+ kernel upgrades and nvidia 8-series card difficulties?05:24
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defendguinis there anyway to tell the fan on the processor to kick it up a few notches?06:59
defendguini'm using gutsy and every since the upgrade to  2.6.22-11  i've noticed the fan doesn't come on as often as necessary   my cpy is at 67 deg C and the fan isn't on at all07:00
defendguinnormally it should be blowing really hard right now07:01
defendguinnow 69 deg07:01
defendguin7007:01
defendguinthe fan isn't even spinning up07:01
defendguin72 07:03
defendguin7407:04
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bullgard4Why is /sys/class/hwmon empty?10:27
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xhakerI need to talk to an acpi wiz11:38
xhakermjg59, can I try to show you something?11:39
xhakerI think i've fixed an acpi bug, but would like to confirm that the solution is acceptable11:42
xhakeranyone?11:42
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bullgard4Wie kriege ich heraus, welcher Treiber bei mir fr die Temperaturmessung zustndig ist? 'lsmod | grep temp' gibt nichts aus. 11:57
xhakerBug #11618512:09
xhakerhmm12:09
xhakerhttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/11618512:09
maks_bullgard4: english channel also for dev ask on #ubuntu12:23
bullgard4maks_: I have put here a question in English. Why did you not answer it?12:25
KrystofHi.  I am interested in working to get r818x support (noted as missing in bug #129407), but I'm not sure how best to help.12:25
xhakerKrystof, try to find patches for that feature12:26
thombullgard4: this is not a support channel. it's for development only12:26
Krystofwhat, other than the pages mentioned in that bug report?12:27
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amitkbullgard4: do you have a HW sensor on your motherboard?12:44
mjg59xhaker: Sure12:46
xhakermjg59, i've commented on the kernel tracker12:46
xhakermjg59, http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=875712:47
xhakermjg59, and attached a patch12:47
xhakerplease read that, and then ask me whatever you need12:47
xhakermjg59, what do you think. I seem to have fixed. I just don't know if i did in the correct place01:03
bullgard4amitk: I do not understand you well: Yes I have, otherwise I could not tell you that at present the temperatur of thermal zone 1 is 46 C and of thermal zone 2 is 43 C.01:07
amitkbullgard4: anything in /sys/bus/i2c/devices?01:27
amitkbullgard4: do you _know_ what kind of HW monitor you have on your board?01:29
mjg59bullgard4: Because you either haven't loaded a driver for your hardware, or there isn't a driver for your hardware01:30
mjg59We don't expose the ACPI information in there yet01:30
amitkmjg59: are there plans to duplicate ACPI information into hwmon?01:35
mjg59Yes01:36
mjg59Everything in /proc/acpi is gradually being moved to sysfs01:36
bullgard4mjg59: Thank you very much for explaining.01:37
xhakermjg59, did you have time to peek at that acpi bug?01:38
mjg59xhaker: I have, but it's too complicated for me to really understand right now01:42
mjg59I'm also not convinced that the patch is correct01:44
xhakermjg59, i've set the bug in ubuntu to high, hope you be alert if something arises on the kernel tracker.. they're probably gonna test that patch soon enough01:44
mjg59RIght, I can see that that patch would avoid the problem, but I don't think it actually fixes it01:45
mjg59Or is that how the code looks in 2.6.23?01:45
xhakermjg59, i haven't checked 2.6.23, i've went another root and it led me that place.. 01:45
mjg59xhaker: Right, but I don't know why unconditionally returning AE_OK there would be the right thing to do01:46
xhakermjg59, think about it.. if we're setting the _BST method serialized to avoid future errors it makes sense not to break things01:47
xhakermjg59, yes, i understand.. i'm sure they'll take a look at it upstream01:48
xhakermjg59, they probably will come up with something that does exactly the same in another level01:49
mjg59xhaker: It would be more helpful to find out which bit of code in 2.6.23 fixes it01:50
xhakerit's not easy for me to do something like that.. i only have the ubuntu-gutsy tree here01:51
xhakermjg59, can you suggested an easy way to compare01:52
xhakerwith 2.6.2301:52
mjg59xhaker: Use git log to work out which commits touch that area, apply each of them in turn01:53
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xhakermjg59, i've found a patch that produces a fix for that problem03:24
xhakermjg59, http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commitdiff;h=c0d127b56937c3e72c2b1819161d2f6718eee87703:25
xhakermjg59, i'm not sure if that's 2.6.23 though03:25
mjg59xhaker: Does applying that to our kernel fix things for you?03:26
xhakeri'm testing just now.. and it does03:27
xhakeri've applied with patch -p1, i'm not too found on git03:27
xhakerand it rejected 1 hunk, but i applied it manually. maybe git has some mechanism to apply it cleanly03:28
xhakernow running it.03:28
xhakermjg59, i'm kinda astonished at my ability to find a cure 2 times without error03:29
xhakermjg59, i thought i would hit and miss more03:29
xhakeri mean.. miss most of the times03:30
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zulhey fabbione 04:35
fabbionehi zul04:36
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zulBenC: ping im seeing a couple of bugs about ncq breakage can we add like an optional kernel parameter that disables ncq05:05
derjohnzul, what about the -xen kernel on amd64 ? Upload ?05:07
zulderjohn: not in my hands right now my tree has to be cherry-picked first05:08
derjohnzul, mon cheri ;) Well, who may I bug about that ? 05:09
zulderjohn: ive been bugging already ;)05:09
derjohnwhooohooo! fine ;)05:15
BenCit'll happen for tomorrow's upload05:16
derjohnBenC, whoooo! Ubuntu has Xen Support from tomorrow on? cool !05:20
BenCwe have xen support now :)05:20
BenCjust not 64-bit05:20
derjohnWell, I head about it, but seldom use machines < 4GB :) 05:21
zulwe always had xen support at one point another ;)05:21
derjohnBTW: on i386 the xen kernel doesnt still boot due to a pae vs. non-pae mismatch.05:22
derjohnI use 2.6.22-11 something. 05:22
zulare you using xen-3.1 or something else?05:22
derjohnthere was a bug that was resolved, but that didnt fix the problem.05:22
derjohnzul, I dist-upgrade twice a day to get gusty running as i like ...05:22
derjohnhypervisor 3.1 and sine some days linux-xen05:23
zullets take this somewhere else05:23
derjohnk05:23
derjohnI'll make screenshot (digicam) and file a lauchpad-bug ?05:23
zulsure05:23
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evandwhy was /win 2206:22
evandwhoops06:22
bdmurrayBenC: I've seen a couple of bug reports where people are interested in getting a 2.6.23 patch backported to 2.6.22 is there a special way to identify those bugs?06:35
BenCbdmurray: some how marking them as a "patch available" would be helpful06:40
bdmurrayBenC: Okay, one that I am looking at has the upsteam commit information is that sufficient too?06:41
BenCyeah, the commit SHA means it's just a git-cherry-pick command for us06:42
bdmurrayso a cherry-pick would be easier for you than someone creating a patch for 2.6.22 from 2.6.23?06:44
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bdmurrayBenC: If so then using cherry-pick as a tag might work well06:49
BenCbdmurray: yeah, that sounds good06:51
BenCbdmurray: and yes, it is much easier, mainly because it retains all history, and it magically gets merged when we move on to 2.6.2[34]  for gutsy+106:52
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newz2000just today I started having a problem with 2.6.22-11 that's been fixed for a while. I reported it before for 2.6.20. Should I file a new bug, since it's a new kernel, or should I add comments to the old bug? (problem is that the sound is incredibly quiet, even at full volume)07:00
newz2000old bug is marked "fix released"07:01
bdmurraynewz2000: open a new task on the old bug for 2.6.2207:03
IntuitiveNippleProbably best to attach to the previous bug, against Ubuntu linux-source-2.6.2207:03
IntuitiveNippleDo we have a known-issue with LiveCD and unionfs BUG/Oops? is it being worked on?07:03
mjg59It's known07:04
IntuitiveNippleThe bug #138915 report?07:04
bdmurraynewz2000: if you need specific help opening the task let me know07:04
newz2000bdmurray: I've never opened a task, I'm looking, but I don't see how to do that07:05
IntuitiveNippleI was wondering if unionfs needs digging into07:05
bdmurrayI personally just change the url07:06
newz2000I'm using bugs.edge.launchpad.net07:06
bdmurrayso if it it says 2.6.20 change it to 2.6.22 and press enter07:06
bdmurrayThen it'll tell you it doesn't need fixing there and there is a button to say it also needs fixing in blah07:06
newz2000ok, will do07:06
IntuitiveNipplenewz2000: "Also affects > Distribution/package" then "Ubuntu" then "linux-source-2.6.22"07:07
mjg59BenC: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/125855 - I thought you were going to pull that patch some tiem back?07:12
BenCmjg59: ah, will get it07:13
newz2000what's needed for soundcard bugs? lspci -vv, uname -a, anything else?07:13
mjg59BenC: Thanks07:13
BenCmjg59: we're doing git work today, pulling, patches, etc...if you see anything you want in, feel free to do a tree and ping me for a pull07:13
mjg59Ok07:13
mjg59I sent a pull request to the list - have you grabbed that?07:14
bdmurraynewz2000: actually lspci -vvnn is preferred now and DebuggingSoundProblems at w.u.c has the stuff07:14
amitkmjg59: i will get that07:15
newz2000bdmurray: thanks07:15
mjg59BenC: Also, ata_ignore_hpa seems to be defaulting to 0 again07:16
mjg59That's a regression from feisty07:16
BenCmjg59: there was supposed to be a patch to module-init-tools to default that in /etc/modprobe.d/ somewhere07:17
BenCto avoid changing the code07:17
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mjg59That sounds rather more fragile07:18
mjg59Why not just change the code?07:18
mjg59Anyway, doesn't seem to be present in the latest version07:19
KeybukBenC: I thought we agreed that changing defaults of module options was better in the code07:21
Keybukthat's what we always did in the past07:22
Keybuk(since a package-shipped conffile causes more pain to change or remove than simply allowing users to add a file to change the in-code default)07:22
BenCKeybuk: I much prefer to show our changes from default upstream behavior using methods that were meant for doing that :)07:35
mjg59Default upstream behaviour here is broken. We should just fix the bug.07:35
KeybukBenC: patches?07:37
Keybukbranches?07:37
Keybuk:-)07:37
BenCI agree in this case upstream behavior is broken, so we could just change the in-kernel default07:37
BenCbut I think using modprobe.d files better document cases where we stray from upstream's defaults07:38
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Keybukdisagree07:45
Keybukwe should never use modprobe.d files to override a kernel default to a different default of our own07:45
Keybukthat's why we have our own kernel source tree07:45
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DexterFhi08:03
DexterFwhere can I get the patches for the ubuntu 7.04 kernel alone, not the patched kernel src08:03
zulyou can look at the git tree but you cant get the patches alone08:04
DexterF-.-08:04
DexterFok, next: can I install a vanilla kernel or does ubuntu need certain patches at all cost?08:05
zulyes you can isntall a vanilla kernel we add patches to better support some hardware but these questions are more suited for #ubuntu or you can check the wiki08:06
DexterFthe thing is: the 7.04 kernel totally screws my USB subsystem. I'm having all kind of issues with whatever I plug in. wifi stick on a hub - no go. usb card reader only reads cards when it feels like (works a charm on three other OS/distros)08:06
DexterFwell, the #ubuntu people sent me right here08:07
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bdmurrayBenC: Did I mention bug 137734 yesterday?08:25
BenCbdmurray: can you get ubugtu in here?08:44
Mithrandirjust ask Seveas?08:45
Mithrandiror I can do it08:45
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bdmurrayBenC: I'll see what I can do.  It seems to be a regression in the last feisty update08:45
Mithrandirbug 1234508:46
Seveas@config channel plugins.bugtracker.bugsnarfer True08:46
ubotuOK08:46
Mithrandirbug 123408:46
ubotuBug 1234 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/1234 is private08:46
Mithrandirbug 1234508:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 12345 in isdnutils "isdn does not work, fritz avm (pnp?)" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/1234508:46
Mithrandir\o/08:46
bdmurraybug 13773408:46
ubotuLaunchpad bug 137734 in linux-source-2.6.20 "Alsa support for Ensoniq 1371 breaks when updating to kernel revision 16-generic" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13773408:46
MithrandirSeveas: cheers08:46
Seveasnp08:46
BenCbdmurray: sounds to me like he has a locally compiled module that broke with the ABI bump...not our problem08:47
BenCbdmurray: he needs to recompile the module under the new kernel headers08:47
bdmurrayWhat ways can triagers determine that modules are locally compiled?08:49
BenCMithrandir, Seveas: thanks08:49
BenCbdmurray: the tip for me is the dmesg, where it says "disagrees about version of symbol FOO"08:51
BenCbdmurray: that means that the module is not compiled against the running kernel, and that just isn't possible with a module that came with the kernel08:51
bdmurrayBenC: Yeah, that seems kind of obvious now.  Generally speaking though from dmesg we have no way of knowing if somebody compiled a module on their own if it does work though right?09:09
BenCbdmurray: not at the moment, but we've been tossing around the idea of signed modules, and tainting for non-ubuntu provided modules09:09
BenCwhich will show up09:09
bdmurrayBenC: Alright thanks.  How could one confirm that it was a locally compiled module? Would modinfo do it?09:09
bdmurrayIn regards to the Feisty soudn bug09:09
BenCbdmurray: modinfo may show a path that you can tell isn't installed by our packages...also srcversion in modinfo can be compared to a known good source09:09
bdmurrayGreat, thanks.  My lunch is getting cold. bbiab09:09
DexterF1371 fine here on 16-generic09:09
BenCDexterF: thanks for testing that09:09
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DexterFBenC: np, coincidence, got such a card in my video box. disabled it for anotherr reason tho, onboard sound and the card got confused sometimes. one time onboard was 0 and the card was 1, next boot just the other way round.09:09
BenCDexterF: there's a way to force that in /etc/modprobe.d/ with some mod param09:09
BenClike id=0 for one module and id=1 for the other09:09
DexterFuh huh, but tell Joe User to do that stunt ;)09:10
BenCpoint :)09:10
DexterFumm. since I'm here... I got a lot of USB troubles that I don't have when running the live DVD. how is the live kernel different?09:12
DexterFis it possible live doesn't have suspend support? I suspect USB_SUSPEND to be the culprit09:13
MithrandirBenC: when do you expect the first 2.6.23 upload to happen? (If you have an date)09:25
BenCMithrandir: very soon after gutsy+1 opens09:25
Mithrandirok09:25
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zulBenC: if I find the drivers for bug 139449 could we get it in for gutsy?09:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 139449 in ubuntu "Lenovo 3000 N200 fingerprint scanner support." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/13944909:34
BenCzul: it's not a driver09:34
BenCzul: fingerprint scanners are supported with bioapi, a userspace library09:34
zulah ok09:34
zulgotcha09:35
BenCwe would need the library, plus pam_bioapi module to make use of it09:35
zulhttp://home.gna.org/aes2501/index_en.html 09:35
BenCzul: ah, so I guess some devices require a driver :)09:43
BenCones like mine just require the bioapi, and it communicates through usb device files09:43
BenChiddev I think is what it uses09:43
zulyeah so ill try to get a patch tonight hopefully09:44
BenCdoesn't make much sense09:44
mjg59zul: The aes2501 does nothing useful at the moment, does it?09:44
BenCthere's nothing in our system that uses it09:44
mjg59It's purely a scanner. We need code that can actually compare fingerprints09:45
mjg59Then that needs to be integrated into v4l09:45
zulmjg59: i dont know i havent looked at the code yet09:46
zulmjg59: it looks kind of icky.. http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/aes2501/trunk/aes2501.c?rev=15&view=auto09:48
zulright im going home for the day later09:50
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DexterFguys where do you store your .config? installed a source package, no .config in there, neither in the tarball it gave me10:28
JanCDexterF: did you look in /boot ?  ;)10:29
DexterFduh10:29
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mdomschBenC: I put a patch in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kernel-package/+bug/12004910:59
ubotuLaunchpad bug 120049 in linux-source-2.6.22 "header_postinst_hook should use /etc/kernel/header_postinst.d instead" [Medium,Confirmed]  10:59
mdomschrtg and I discussed earlier this week when he was here10:59
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verwilsthellow11:56
verwilsti just git-clone'd zul/ubuntu-gutsy.git11:56
verwilsthow do i build the xen kernel again plz? :)11:57
BenCdon't use that11:57
BenCoh, wait, maybe that's the one that has the right kind of patch11:57
BenCverwilst: fakeroot debian/rules custom-binary-xen11:57
verwilst /usr/bin/fakeroot: 152: debian/rules: not found11:58
verwilsthm11:58
verwilstit exists though11:59
verwilstnm :p12:01
verwilstmisleading error12:01
verwilstbuilding ;)12:03
verwilstnext kernel release is for the next couple of days, right?12:03
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