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| Sciri | Mithrandir: I just did a new Q1 image last night with samsung-full-mobile-stack-with-proprietary and ubuntu-staging and then did an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning when I saw a new moblin-applets was available; the Network Manager Applet icon still isn't showing up in the status bar. | 05:40 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: Also, when trying to run the Network Configuration control panel, I now get "You are not allowed to access the system configuration" since it appears we're not running as root anymore. | 05:40 |
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| ian_brasil | i just got pyphantom to execute om ume if anyone is interested...there is a video of this here http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/pyphantom-on-ubuntu-mobile/ | 05:42 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: can you install gksudo and see if that fixes it? | 05:43 |
| Sciri | OK, trying now... | 05:44 |
| Sciri | Package gksudo not available... | 05:44 |
| Sciri | Ahhh, found the package...gksu...installing now | 05:46 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: Nope, installed the gksu package and still no applet in the status bar and still getting the permission problem in the Network Config control panel. | 05:49 |
| Sciri | Is there any additional configuration needed for gksudo to work? | 05:49 |
| Sciri | (I rebooted as well) | 05:49 |
| Mithrandir | I wouldn't think you needed more config, no. | 05:49 |
| Mithrandir | for nm, can you check if nm-applet is running? | 05:50 |
| Sciri | Nope, nm-applet isn't running... | 05:51 |
| agoliveira_lunch | Sciri: Shawn, didn't you have the unionfs problem? | 05:52 |
| Sciri | agoliveira: I did last night...was fighting with it untii midnight. Rebooted this morning and it worked fine. And I didn't change anything between last night and today. | 05:53 |
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| Sciri | So I have no idea why it's working now and wasn't working last night. I literally shut the Q1 down at the frozen swap screen last night and turned it back on this morning; running fine. | 05:54 |
| agoliveira | Sciri: Weird... I didn't play with my Q1 today. Did you use the daily build or image-creator to generate the image? | 05:55 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: can you post your .xsession-errors somewhere? | 05:55 |
| Mithrandir | the dailies don't work due to busticated kernel | 05:55 |
| agoliveira | Sciri: BTW, your pepper sauce is already ordered as promissed ;) | 05:55 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: I see. | 05:56 |
| Sciri | agoliveira: Last night I upgraded my Gutsy host with apt-get dist-upgrade and got the latest Gutsy image-creator. Created a fresh samsung-full-mobile-stack-with-proprietary/ubuntu-staging Project and Target. And the Q1 wouldn't boot. But booted fine this morning. | 05:56 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: Sure, let me just get it on the network and grab the file. | 05:57 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: cheers. | 05:57 |
| agoliveira | Well, I'll give it a try later. | 05:57 |
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| Sciri | agoliveira: Oooh...hot sauce! Thanks! | 05:58 |
| Mithrandir | hi Don, Peter | 05:58 |
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| Don_Johnson | hello | 05:58 |
| ptung1 | Hello | 05:58 |
| mawhalen | Mauri joined too | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | ah, sorry, I didn't see you. Hiya. :-) | 05:59 |
| agoliveira | Sciri: Yep. My older sister is going to pay me a visit next month and she will bring something special for you :) | 05:59 |
| Mithrandir | asac,amitk: you around? | 05:59 |
| Sciri | agoliveira: I am looking forward to the pain it will bring. ;) | 05:59 |
| benj3one | oh wow | 05:59 |
| agoliveira | Sciri: Cool. This one I asked her to bring is not very hot but very, very tasty in IMHO. | 06:00 |
| mawhalen | Role call from Intel - Rusty? Todd? Carl? Bob? John? | 06:00 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: yes | 06:00 |
| mawhalen | Rob is on vacation and will be back next week | 06:00 |
| ToddBrandt | yo | 06:00 |
| CharliefJohnson | Charlie's here! | 06:00 |
| === agoliveira waves all yawning USA people :) | ||
| Don_Johnson | Don Johnson from Intel is here. | 06:01 |
| asac | Mithrandir: still involved in other meeting ... will be here in a few | 06:01 |
| rustyl | i'm here | 06:01 |
| Mithrandir | asac: ahkay. | 06:01 |
| CharliefJohnson | Just finishing 20oz very strong coffee. | 06:01 |
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| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: Are we at critical mass? | 06:02 |
| agoliveira | CharliefJohnson: If I know american coffee, unless it's a spresso, it's probably about as strong as my tea :) | 06:02 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: I believe we are, yes. | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | mawhalen: who are you missing on your end? | 06:03 |
| mawhalen | Bob | 06:03 |
| mawhalen | and John | 06:03 |
| mawhalen | Carl is joining - Carl? | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | Carl's here, cwong1 | 06:03 |
| cwong1 | here | 06:03 |
| Mithrandir | ok, let's start. | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | #startmeeting | 06:04 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 15:54. The chair is Mithrandir. | 06:04 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] | 06:04 |
| Mithrandir | clock's still off. | 06:04 |
| agoliveira | I was about to say that | 06:05 |
| === asac is here | ||
| Mithrandir | sorry, just trying to catch up with myself here and finding out which specs we have status reports for on the mailing list | 06:06 |
| === agoliveira just heard a loud bang and the lights went off... no break kicking in... crap... be back in 30 secs | ||
| Mithrandir | missing from: | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | - browser | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | - mobile-image-creatioin | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | - mobile-utilities | 06:06 |
| Mithrandir | does that seem right? | 06:06 |
| ToddBrandt | sending mine out right now, sorry | 06:07 |
| ToddBrandt | moblin-utilities is on the list now | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | ok, thanks. | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | the agenda I have is: | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - action items from last week | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - status reports | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | - kernel status | 06:07 |
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| Mithrandir | anybody have any more agenda items? | 06:07 |
| Mithrandir | hi bob | 06:07 |
| bspencer | hi | 06:07 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: Need to ask about GPLv3 | 06:08 |
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| Mithrandir | ok | 06:08 |
| Mithrandir | if anybody has any more, tell me and I'll add it during the meeting | 06:08 |
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| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] action items from last week | 06:09 |
| MootBot | New Topic: action items from last week | 06:09 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: How about App status ? Was there anything sent? | 06:09 |
| Mithrandir | I see Charlie got Waldo to send out status reports now; thanks a lot. | 06:09 |
| bspencer | CharliefJohnson: I sent for media and chat. | 06:09 |
| cwong1 | CharliefJohnson: I sent the midbrowser | 06:09 |
| Mithrandir | cwong1: you did? I haven't seen it | 06:10 |
| === asac neither | ||
| bspencer | haha! | 06:10 |
| bspencer | 9:06am | 06:10 |
| cwong1 | I sent to ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com | 06:10 |
| Mithrandir | ah, there | 06:10 |
| cwong1 | at 9:01 | 06:10 |
| bspencer | I got it | 06:10 |
| asac | right ... last minute submission ;) | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | The psb driver should be fine now, Charlie, have you tested that? | 06:11 |
| Mithrandir | I'm not sure how to see whether it's accellerating ops or not. | 06:12 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: No we still have an issue. Our contractor has an issue with the patch that was submitted. i need to send Steve his comments. | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | ok, can you follow up on that? | 06:12 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: yes | 06:12 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] Charlie to follow up with Steve wrt psb patch for EXA 2.1 | 06:13 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: Charlie to follow up with Steve wrt psb patch for EXA 2.1 | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | thanks. | 06:13 |
| Mithrandir | ToddBrandt: you were to check up dbus for gconf, how's that gone? | 06:13 |
| ToddBrandt | actually I need some clarification on that, what is it you're looking for Bob? | 06:13 |
| bspencer | dbus uses corba by default | 06:14 |
| bspencer | in gnome | 06:14 |
| ToddBrandt | I've been preoccupied with bug fixing this week and haven't had time to check into this one | 06:14 |
| rustyl | ? | 06:14 |
| rustyl | did you mean gconf ? | 06:14 |
| bspencer | Nokia had some patches for gconf to use dbus instead | 06:14 |
| bspencer | rustyl: sorry, yes | 06:14 |
| bspencer | gconf uses corba by default | 06:15 |
| bspencer | the assignment was to look at IPC wrt gconf | 06:15 |
| bspencer | and make sure it is what we want it to be | 06:15 |
| bspencer | if we don't have to include corba, it is one less thing | 06:15 |
| bspencer | that's all. | 06:15 |
| ToddBrandt | so in hildon-desktop? | 06:15 |
| bspencer | hildon-desktop uses dbus for notifications | 06:16 |
| bspencer | I don't know much about gconf as I've not looked into it | 06:16 |
| bspencer | wrt communication | 06:16 |
| rustyl | bspencer, yes, gconf uses orbit | 06:16 |
| rustyl | at least the version we use | 06:16 |
| ToddBrandt | ok, I'll have a look at this as I test out the keybindings applet this week | 06:16 |
| Mithrandir | it'd probably be compromised of prodding a bit at libgconf too | 06:17 |
| ToddBrandt | Mithrandir: yea, my understanding of gconf is evolving as I enable the applets | 06:17 |
| Mithrandir | ok, I think you win the action item again. :-) | 06:18 |
| ToddBrandt | :) | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] ToddBrandt to further investigate dbus for gconf | 06:18 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ToddBrandt to further investigate dbus for gconf | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | I checked up on the lsb-base bug that broken nm, and uploaded a fix. | 06:18 |
| Mithrandir | (from Todd, iirc?) | 06:18 |
| ToddBrandt | Mithrandir: great, when can we expect that to be in ubuntu gutsy? | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: you were to investigate updates to mobile-power-thermal-opts, which has been posted, so thanks for that. | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | ToddBrandt: it's been there since Friday or so | 06:19 |
| ToddBrandt | excellent! | 06:19 |
| Mithrandir | bfiller,rustyl,bspencer: the three of you were to work out the details on how to get the event mechanism in m-b-f working well | 06:20 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: I remember to nag them the night before. | 06:20 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: yes we were. | 06:20 |
| bspencer | but only bfiller followed up | 06:20 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: yup, thanks. It's usually what's needed. | 06:20 |
| bspencer | and so we haven't finished our assignment | 06:20 |
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| rustyl | i saw the email yesterdaay from ben, but i haven't responded yet | 06:20 |
| Mithrandir | rustyl: on a slightly related note, can the mobile-application-service be removed from the archive now? | 06:20 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: yes | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | ok, coo. | 06:21 |
| bspencer | you can remove the glorious "MAS" | 06:21 |
| bspencer | :.( | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] tfheen to get mas removed from the archive | 06:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: tfheen to get mas removed from the archive | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way | 06:21 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way | 06:21 |
| bspencer | Mithrandir: thanks | 06:21 |
| Mithrandir | I reviewed and approved specs, but that's some of an ongoing process. | 06:21 |
| rustyl | Mithrandir, on that same note, you need to update the ubuntu-mobile meta package to not pull in the application service | 06:21 |
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| Mithrandir | rustyl: ack, that'll be part of it. | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | and I failed to raise the scheduling on the mailing list, so I get that again | 06:22 |
| Mithrandir | sorry, doorbell | 06:22 |
| sodarock_home | while Mithrandir gets the doorbell anyone know the link to Mootbot? To review action items? | 06:22 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: "mas" in portuguese means "but" or "evil females" which makes sense in a kind of kinky way :) | 06:23 |
| ToddBrandt | lol | 06:23 |
| agoliveira | sodarock_home: I think only Mithrandir can do it now as he's the chairperson. | 06:23 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20070906_1555.html | 06:23 |
| sodarock_home | Oh I know that. I just wanted to see them :) Thanks Mithrandir | 06:23 |
| bspencer | agoliveira: thanks for the info | 06:24 |
| bspencer | :) | 06:24 |
| agoliveira | Ah.. sorry I misunderstood your request. | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | oh s/agolivera/sodarock_home/ | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | chop off the last bit of the URL and you get the directory | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting | 06:24 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | moving on to status reports | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] status reports | 06:24 |
| MootBot | New Topic: status reports | 06:24 |
| Mithrandir | now that browser and mobile-utilities have been sent to the list, we only have mobile-image-creation left. | 06:25 |
| === sodarock_home thinks he has | ||
| === sodarock_home knows he has failed in this area :( | ||
| Mithrandir | sodarock_home: slacker. :-P Now you get to make up for it. | 06:25 |
| sodarock_home | Okay I can talk about MIC now if wanted? | 06:26 |
| Mithrandir | aka, what's up in m-i-c land? | 06:26 |
| Mithrandir | yes, please. | 06:26 |
| bspencer | a new icon for one | 06:26 |
| sodarock_home | Okay. Edited the GUI to remove the ISO buttons. | 06:26 |
| sodarock_home | Yes a new "MIC" icon that replaces "PB" | 06:26 |
| sodarock_home | Started work on the project save and restore. | 06:27 |
| rustyl | now that's progress | 06:27 |
| sodarock_home | Currently can save a project via the command line. | 06:27 |
| rustyl | on the icon.... that is | 06:27 |
| sodarock_home | Woot! icon! | 06:27 |
| sodarock_home | Added a throbber for writing a USB image. | 06:27 |
| sodarock_home | Throbber should not stop anymore when creating a USB image. | 06:28 |
| bspencer | sodarock_home: fixed a bug I was having too where image-creator would get wiped off my system and I'd have to logout when an error occured. | 06:28 |
| bspencer | very big for me | 06:28 |
| Mithrandir | you were reworking the config system too? | 06:28 |
| sodarock_home | Yes. Had MIC make symbolic links into absolute links. This was causing bugs before with bspencer | 06:29 |
| sodarock_home | The config system is well into place. | 06:29 |
| sodarock_home | More things should be added as time goes by. But the basic stuff is there and I have seen no problems from the config system. | 06:29 |
| sodarock_home | That's all I can think of off the top of my head. Can read the debian/changelog for more details. | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | nice, thanks. | 06:30 |
| Mithrandir | what's next week's plans? | 06:30 |
| sodarock_home | Hopefully get the save and restore feature completed. I know some pepper guys want that to work. | 06:30 |
| bspencer | yes, and me too. Then we can have a well-known working project/target without having to create one | 06:31 |
| bspencer | no more complaints about failures holding people up | 06:31 |
| bspencer | (at least as often) | 06:31 |
| sodarock_home | That's all I got for now. | 06:31 |
| Mithrandir | thanks a lot. | 06:31 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] kernel status | 06:32 |
| MootBot | New Topic: kernel status | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: the kernel is busted at the moment due to unionfs being broken in gutsy | 06:32 |
| Mithrandir | any idea when we can expect a fix for that? | 06:32 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: that's correct. | 06:32 |
| amitk | pkl (the filesystems expert) can only look at it next week. I will look at it tonight... | 06:33 |
| amitk | we could ask for the patch to be rolled back until a fix is found though. | 06:34 |
| Mithrandir | that'd be helpful | 06:34 |
| agoliveira | amitk: That would be great. | 06:34 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: One note guys. The status of daily quite visible within Intel. It staying broke for multiple days at a time causes a lot of issues and I end up doing lots of explaining. | 06:34 |
| amitk | I will talk to the kernel team. There is going to be a kernel upload tomorrow. So a revert will get us back on our horses on Monday | 06:35 |
| alek_xdu1 | Mithrandir, do you know what's the last change for, I mean unionfs | 06:35 |
| sodarock_home | CharliefJohnson: Hopefully the save/restore with the PDK will help somewhat with issues like that. | 06:36 |
| sodarock_home | s/PDK/Moblin Image Creator/ | 06:36 |
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| amitk | alek_xdu1: it was to bring unionfs in sync with upstream | 06:36 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: understood. | 06:36 |
| alek_xdu1 | amitk, thanks. I'm curious if Moblin kernel need do this also. | 06:37 |
| CharliefJohnson | sodarock_home: I don't really use image-creator. Just the menlow_full daily builds. | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: it would be useful if we can work out a process to get fixes/workarounds for such problems applied a bit quicker through a well-defined procedure. | 06:37 |
| sodarock_home | Ahh. Okay. never mind then. | 06:37 |
| Mithrandir | do you have any suggestions to what we can do in that regard? | 06:37 |
| agoliveira | sodarock_home: I tried both. Same problem. | 06:38 |
| amitk | Currently, the only thing I can think of is a special daily build for UME kernels | 06:38 |
| rustyl | Mithrandir, do you keep the older kernel packages around in the gutsy apt repositories? | 06:38 |
| sodarock_home | agoliveira: huh? what? | 06:39 |
| Mithrandir | rustyl: they're possible to find through launchpad, yes. | 06:39 |
| agoliveira | sodarock_home: daily builds against UME | 06:39 |
| Mithrandir | slightly involved process, but certainly not impossible. | 06:39 |
| CharliefJohnson | amitk: Are kernel fixes/changes only uploaded at set intervals ?? (Sorry I don't know the procedure.) | 06:39 |
| rustyl | Mithrandir, i was thinking... if our fset installed a specific kernel version then we could just update the fset when a warm body verifies the new kernel works as expected | 06:40 |
| rustyl | but that only works if the older kernel packages stick around in the apt repositor | 06:40 |
| amitk | CharliefJohnson: That is correct. About 2-3 times a month. This is because preparing the ABI, testing the builds on all supported architectures takes some time | 06:40 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: ok, so maybe we should have a test case that at least does a basic functionality test of what we need for UME would be useful? | 06:41 |
| CharliefJohnson | amitk: Do they test UME ?? Make sure it still installs? | 06:42 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: yes.. but this one came out of the blue... it was because of Apparmor changes | 06:43 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: we shouldn't end up being overcautious, I agree, but when those kinds of problem happens, it's very problematic. | 06:43 |
| amitk | CharliefJohnson: Yes, UME is tested. But in this case it slipped through the cracks associated with timezones | 06:44 |
| CharliefJohnson | amitk, Mithrandir : The issue isn't the introduced bug. It is the time to get a fix. | 06:44 |
| amitk | CharliefJohnson: agreed and noted. | 06:45 |
| Mithrandir | amitk: can you take an action item to think some good thoughts about ways to work around the problem if it appears again? | 06:46 |
| amitk | Mithrandir: I will. This is clearly unacceptable. | 06:46 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 06:47 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir, amitk : Great. Thanks. | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] amit to investigate ways to work around or fix critical kernel problems when then pop up | 06:47 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: amit to investigate ways to work around or fix critical kernel problems when then pop up | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | ok, moving on to GPLv3 | 06:47 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] GPLv3 | 06:47 |
| MootBot | New Topic: GPLv3 | 06:47 |
| CharliefJohnson | Do we expect Hardy Heron to contain any GPLv3 code ?? | 06:48 |
| Mithrandir | yes | 06:48 |
| CharliefJohnson | The Intel legal beavers are asking. | 06:48 |
| CharliefJohnson | Do we know what yet ? There isn't any in Gutsy, right? | 06:48 |
| Mithrandir | depending on how the usb-client spec is actually implemented, it'll use samba which is now GPLv3, at least newer major releases. | 06:49 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: i hadn't heard that samba had moved. GPLv3 is cause great anxiety with Intel. | 06:50 |
| mjg59 | CharliefJohnson: Most code from the FSF will probably be GPLv3 by then. So that includes things like our C compiler. | 06:50 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: http://news.samba.org/announcements/samba_gplv3/ , so that changed two months ago. | 06:50 |
| mjg59 | Not shipping GPLv3 code really isn't an option for us | 06:51 |
| rustyl | or any other linux distribution for that matter | 06:51 |
| agoliveira | +1 | 06:51 |
| Mithrandir | we'll have to learn how GPLv3 and GPLv2 interacts (or doesn't), though | 06:51 |
| CharliefJohnson | mjg59: I realize that. I need to make it clear to the powers that be however. | 06:52 |
| ToddBrandt | CharliefJohnson: I've included some code in moblin-applets that's GPL2+, does that plus mean anything I should be worried about? | 06:52 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: Gutsy has no GPLv3, correct? | 06:52 |
| Mithrandir | ToddBrandt: you can treat GPLv2+ as GPLv2 just fine. | 06:52 |
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| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: I honestly don't know. | 06:53 |
| mjg59 | CharliefJohnson: I think it would be difficult for us to absolutely commit to that, given the quantity of software we have | 06:53 |
| Mithrandir | well, binutils is GPL-3 | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | so we clearly have GPLv3 code in gutsy. | 06:54 |
| CharliefJohnson | Was that in the license list you sent me a while back? | 06:54 |
| Mithrandir | I don't remember, but as I noted in that list, it was a snapshot of what was in gutsy at that time, not what would be in the released version | 06:55 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: I need an updated license list. Can you send me a new one for Gutsy? This is more of a business issue, and I can take this offline for now. | 06:56 |
| Mithrandir | ok. | 06:57 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: Can you record an action to send me an updated license list for Gutsy? | 06:58 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] tfheen to send CharliefJohnson updated list of licences for UME components. | 06:58 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: tfheen to send CharliefJohnson updated list of licences for UME components. | 06:58 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir, : thanks! | 06:58 |
| Mithrandir | CharliefJohnson: did you get your question about app statuses answered? | 06:59 |
| agoliveira | I was waiting for my turn. | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: heh, sure | 06:59 |
| CharliefJohnson | Casual Games were to be chosen and uploaded by today. Did that happen? | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | [TOPIC] App status | 06:59 |
| MootBot | New Topic: App status | 06:59 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: please go ahead | 07:01 |
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| agoliveira | Ok, from the top, I aways try to keep the applications page on the wiki updated so you can aways check there anytime. | 07:01 |
| agoliveira | About the applications themselves: | 07:01 |
| agoliveira | The last few days we had added hildonized galculator and Evince. | 07:02 |
| agoliveira | Also hildonized, of course. | 07:02 |
| agoliveira | I made a series of tests with games and I choose a few the results are: | 07:02 |
| agoliveira | 3D Games: Foobillard, Neverball and Neverputt, Supertux and Planet Penguin Racer - Very easy, they are there yet and as they run fullscreen, no adaptations are needed. | 07:03 |
| agoliveira | 2D games: Frozen Bubble, aisleriot, blackjack, gnometris, gnome-sudoku and gnomine. The problem here is that they will need hildonization with exception of Frozen Bubble. | 07:03 |
| CharliefJohnson | agoliveira: I don't have the URL for that in front of me. Has the list of identified apps on the wiki page? Not just the list of possibilities - be which were choosen. | 07:03 |
| agoliveira | I just sent the list | 07:03 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: I don't think we need that many games? 3-4 in total should be ok, I'd say. | 07:04 |
| agoliveira | All those games are already availble so pick them :) | 07:04 |
| amitk | agoliveira: all of them are hildonized? | 07:04 |
| Mithrandir | you've looked at them, so it's better if you give your assessment. | 07:04 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: I would include them all as long as I can hildonize the interfaces of the 2D games. You are asking to limit :) | 07:05 |
| agoliveira | amitk: No, this needs to be done for some of the 2D games | 07:05 |
| agoliveira | and gaming is a matter of taste so, if I has to chose, say 4, I would do: | 07:06 |
| agoliveira | 3D: Foobillard, Neverball and Neverputt (they are the same) | 07:06 |
| agoliveira | 2D: Frozen bubble and gnome-suduku | 07:06 |
| ToddBrandt | Isecond the sudoku vote | 07:07 |
| bspencer | I've played with Neverball and it works pretty good, with some small tweaks | 07:07 |
| agoliveira | I mean, gnome-sudoku | 07:07 |
| Mithrandir | agoliveira: yes, I'm saying you should pick a total of 3 or 4. | 07:07 |
| agoliveira | I also checked some of the games already ported for maemo but they usually make use of the hardware keys which would add another problem for us so I just left them aside for now. | 07:08 |
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| Mithrandir | sounds fine, then, and we'll start with those | 07:08 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: Fine to me. | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | to what extent do they need changes? | 07:08 |
| agoliveira | One can just add on the fsets. They are already built. | 07:08 |
| Mithrandir | ok, and gnome-sudoku for instance is already hildonised? | 07:09 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: just the gnome-sudoku needs hildonization but it's fairly simple | 07:09 |
| agoliveira | Mithrandir: I can have it done as soon as I finish my current tasks, say monday | 07:09 |
| Mithrandir | ok, but the rest are either fullscreen or already hildonised for lpia? | 07:09 |
| agoliveira | Fullscreen | 07:09 |
| Mithrandir | ok, thanks. | 07:09 |
| CharliefJohnson | Mithrandir: Can we have an action to update the wiki/blueprint to clear identify which apps have been chosen for UME. Similar to that table I sent out last week. | 07:10 |
| agoliveira | IS that satisfactory for all of you? | 07:10 |
| Mithrandir | [ACTION] agoliveira to update wiki with what applications have been chosen | 07:10 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: agoliveira to update wiki with what applications have been chosen | 07:10 |
| agoliveira | No problem. | 07:10 |
| Mithrandir | ok, anybody got any more business? | 07:10 |
| agoliveira | Im' fine. | 07:10 |
| bspencer | one note | 07:11 |
| bspencer | tomorrow, this same time, kwwii and I will discuss UI | 07:11 |
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| bspencer | on this channel | 07:11 |
| bspencer | fyi | 07:11 |
| Mithrandir | sounds good | 07:11 |
| bspencer | that's all | 07:11 |
| kwwii | so everyone stay away from your computers at this time tomorrow | 07:11 |
| kwwii | :p | 07:11 |
| Mithrandir | heh | 07:11 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: BTW, I need to talk to you for a few minutes, can we? | 07:11 |
| Mithrandir | meeting adjourned. | 07:11 |
| Mithrandir | #endmeeting | 07:11 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 17:01. | 07:11 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: sure | 07:12 |
| bspencer | agoliveira: in US "boos" is a positive thing ;) | 07:12 |
| Mithrandir | thanks everybody. | 07:12 |
| Mithrandir | HappyCamp: how's the sponsorship process working for you? | 07:12 |
| agoliveira | bspencer: Really? :) You americans are weird :) | 07:12 |
| bspencer | agoliveira: oh wait, that was booze | 07:12 |
| sodarock_home | Mithrandir: Okay. But I have to work with our guys to get stuff pushed into Gutsy to make sure I progress faster. | 07:12 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: how can I be of service? | 07:13 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Can you gifve me 5 min? Ana just came in with my coffee :) | 07:13 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: sure but in 15 I am going to run to the store | 07:14 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: or we can talk in about half an hour when I get back | 07:14 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Are you comming back? | 07:14 |
| kwwii | yepp | 07:14 |
| agoliveira | deal | 07:14 |
| kwwii | ok, see you soon | 07:14 |
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| agoliveira | kwwii: Ping me when you get back | 07:35 |
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| bspencer_ | agoliveira, I saw you said we had "galculator" | 07:39 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: I saw a galculator on the image but not hildonized. | 07:39 |
| bspencer_ | we hildonized galculator | 07:40 |
| agoliveira | bspencer_: Really? I thought we agreed that Intel would contact me before any application chenges so we don't have duplicated efforts. | 07:42 |
| agoliveira | changes | 07:42 |
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| kwwii | agoliveira: ping | 07:58 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Yo. Actually it's a quite simple request. I need to know what's the ume theme status. | 07:59 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: I am still waiting to be able to test it | 08:00 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: I have a first test theme ready | 08:00 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: the most work at this point needs to be done on the colors in the gtkrc | 08:01 |
| kwwii | and this is nasty "edit, check what changed, edit again" work | 08:01 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Is there anything I can pack? | 08:01 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: nope, I have a package ready, actually | 08:01 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Does it work in some form? If so, please, upload it. | 08:01 |
| kwwii | but until I can test the gtkrc in a decent way the font colors are somewhat unreadable in parts | 08:02 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: the package builds but you cannot install it because we are missing parts | 08:02 |
| kwwii | parts of code, not of the theme | 08:02 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Is anyone working on this? | 08:02 |
| kwwii | bspencer_ said that he would see to this stuff this week | 08:03 |
| kwwii | I have kinda been waiting for two weeks on this | 08:03 |
| kwwii | so I worked on a few icons in the meantime | 08:03 |
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| kwwii | tha tis something else we will need to do | 08:03 |
| kwwii | branch the tango set and start modifying it for our needs | 08:03 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Cool. Actually it was Matt who asked me to make a report about the status of things. | 08:03 |
| agoliveira | I mean UME things. | 08:03 |
| agoliveira | kwwii: Thanks. | 08:04 |
| kwwii | agoliveira: great, I really hope we can start moving forward on this soon | 08:04 |
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| Mithrandir | Sciri: can you add set -x to the top of /usr/share/ume-config-common/ume-gui-start and repaste your .xsession-errors? | 08:37 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: OK, will do... | 08:38 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 08:39 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: One unrelated note...I've found with the broken kernel if you reboot enough times it eventually comes up...I'm running an image built this morning. | 08:41 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: ok, useful to know. | 08:42 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: OK, the new pastelog is at http://paste.debian.net/37032 (Fresh reboot. X came up but nm-applet did not load so I manually ran nm-applet to bring up the network). | 08:46 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: Also, on this fresh image (samsung with proprietary) I have root privs back to the Control Panels work; just no nm-applet running at boot. | 08:50 |
| Sciri | *so the Control Panels work | 08:50 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: can you change the echo in the line going for START in $(echo ... into ls? | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | so it turns into for START in $(ls /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop /usr/share/autostart/*.desktop /usr/share/gnome/autostart/*.desktop | sort -u | grep -v "*"); do | 08:51 |
| Sciri | ls or ls -1? | 08:51 |
| Mithrandir | doesn't matter. | 09:09 |
| Sciri | OK... | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | actually, wait a sec | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | for START in $(find /etc/xdg/autostart/ /usr/share/autostart/ /usr/share/gnome/autostart/ -name \*.desktop); do | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | is what the line should look like | 09:09 |
| Sciri | Ooops...just rebooted. I'll change it to find when it comes back up... | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | thanks | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | and you can rm ~ume/.xsession-errors too | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | since it's appended to | 09:09 |
| Sciri | Already did... | 09:09 |
| Sciri | Oh...ls worked. I have nm-applet and Bluetooth in the status bar at boot now...should I still change it to find? | 09:09 |
| Mithrandir | well, it's going to be find in the next upload, but feel free to have it be ls, ls should be fine as well | 09:09 |
| Sciri | Great, I'll switch it to find so it matches what will be in the next package release. | 09:09 |
| Sciri | Any ETA on when that build will fire so we can update our target? | 09:09 |
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| smagoun | Anyone have dates installed? 0.4.3-1ubuntu2 segfaults for me, is that expected? | 09:41 |
| agoliveira | smagoun: Last time I tried worked fine. Can you open a bug please? | 09:51 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: new ume-config-common uploaded, so it should be available in a bit less than two hours, I hope | 09:59 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: | 09:59 |
| Sciri | Mithrandir: Outstanding | 09:59 |
| Mithrandir | Sciri: sorry it took a bit, I was on a conference call | 10:00 |
| Sciri | No worries! :) | 10:00 |
| agoliveira | I'm leaving on cue today, no overtime because I'm doing some cooking classes :) If you need anything email me and I'll check it out later. Bye! | 10:02 |
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| bspencer | kwwii, sleeping? | 12:27 |
| kwwii | bspencer: not quite yet | 12:28 |
| kwwii | wassup? | 12:28 |
| bspencer | you da man! | 12:28 |
| bspencer | quick question you might know | 12:28 |
| kwwii | sure, shoot away | 12:28 |
| bspencer | we have this simple app which sets the color of buttons manually | 12:29 |
| kwwii | so it has it's own gtkrc | 12:29 |
| bspencer | gtk_widget_modify_bg(buttonPkg->button2, GTK_STATE_NORMAL, &color) | 12:29 |
| bspencer | but this gets overridden by the theme | 12:29 |
| bspencer | is it possible to say "don't use the theme, I'm smarter" | 12:29 |
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| bspencer | if I remove the env var that points to the theme (e.g. GTKRC....) then it keeps our color, otherwise it overrides it | 12:30 |
| bspencer | (remove the env variable in a terminal before I start our app) | 12:30 |
| bspencer | this was a common problem that other apps guys were saying (like media player) when they would try to set the background to a specific color that was different than the theme. (maybe htis is a taboo thing to do) | 12:30 |
| kwwii | I think there should be a way to point to an app specific gtkrc, but I have no idea how | 12:30 |
| bspencer | ok. I'll google for that | 12:31 |
| bspencer | at least an app specific gtkrc for /some/ things, and then use the parent gtkrc for others. | 12:31 |
| kwwii | exactly, whatever is defined in the app specific gtkrc overides the system stuff, otherwise the rest is left along | 12:32 |
| kwwii | alone | 12:32 |
| bspencer | cool. I found some references. I'll try it. | 12:32 |
| kwwii | btw I had a long talk with tango people | 12:32 |
| bspencer | ah | 12:32 |
| kwwii | I know how to deal with the icon theme now | 12:32 |
| kwwii | but kyle will not like it :-) | 12:32 |
| kwwii | and they are intersted in helping us where possible | 12:33 |
| kwwii | but more on that tomorrow | 12:33 |
| bspencer | ha ha. yes. looking forward to more info tom. | 12:33 |
| bspencer | thanks. the brain implant we put in your head seems to work to notify you when you are summoned. | 12:34 |
| kwwii | hehe, it is the loud "ping" that happens when someone mentions my nick | 12:34 |
| bspencer | working from home has its disadvantages | 12:34 |
| kwwii | in the meantime, my son says "papa, someone is talking to you!" | 12:34 |
| DAmm2 | Are there screenshots of recent daily builds? I have a Samsung Q1 and I'm very anxious to see how it looks | 12:35 |
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| kwwii_ | although working from the SUSE office wasn't much better, I just spent more time an hour away from home | 12:36 |
| kwwii_ | netsplit, what fun | 12:36 |
| kwwii | finally time for sleep...see you tomorrow | 12:36 |
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| bspencer | kwwii, see ya. | 12:37 |
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