[09:05] <dholbach> good morning
[05:40] <Sciri> Mithrandir: I just did a new Q1 image last night with samsung-full-mobile-stack-with-proprietary and ubuntu-staging and then did an apt-get dist-upgrade this morning when I saw a new moblin-applets was available; the Network Manager Applet icon still isn't showing up in the status bar.
[05:40] <Sciri> Mithrandir: Also, when trying to run the Network Configuration control panel, I now get "You are not allowed to access the system configuration" since it appears we're not running as root anymore.
[05:42] <ian_brasil> i just got pyphantom to execute om ume if anyone is interested...there is a video of this here http://ianlawrence.info/random-stuff/pyphantom-on-ubuntu-mobile/
[05:43] <Mithrandir> Sciri: can you install gksudo and see if that fixes it?
[05:44] <Sciri> OK, trying now...
[05:44] <Sciri> Package gksudo not available...
[05:46] <Sciri> Ahhh, found the package...gksu...installing now
[05:49] <Sciri> Mithrandir: Nope, installed the gksu package and still no applet in the status bar and still getting the permission problem in the Network Config control panel.
[05:49] <Sciri> Is there any additional configuration needed for gksudo to work?
[05:49] <Sciri> (I rebooted as well)
[05:49] <Mithrandir> I wouldn't think you needed more config, no.
[05:50] <Mithrandir> for nm, can you check if nm-applet is running?
[05:51] <Sciri> Nope, nm-applet isn't running...
[05:52] <agoliveira_lunch> Sciri: Shawn, didn't you have the unionfs problem?
[05:53] <Sciri> agoliveira: I did last night...was fighting with it untii midnight. Rebooted this morning and it worked fine. And I didn't change anything between last night and today.
[05:54] <Sciri> So I have no idea why it's working now and wasn't working last night. I literally shut the Q1 down at the frozen swap screen last night and turned it back on this morning; running fine.
[05:55] <agoliveira> Sciri: Weird... I didn't play with my Q1 today. Did you use the daily build or image-creator to generate the image?
[05:55] <Mithrandir> Sciri: can you post your .xsession-errors somewhere?
[05:55] <Mithrandir> the dailies don't work due to busticated kernel
[05:55] <agoliveira> Sciri: BTW, your pepper sauce is already ordered as promissed ;)
[05:56] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I see.
[05:56] <Sciri> agoliveira: Last night I upgraded my Gutsy host with apt-get dist-upgrade and got the latest Gutsy image-creator. Created a fresh samsung-full-mobile-stack-with-proprietary/ubuntu-staging Project and Target. And the Q1 wouldn't boot. But booted fine this morning.
[05:57] <Sciri> Mithrandir: Sure, let me just get it on the network and grab the file.
[05:57] <Mithrandir> Sciri: cheers.
[05:57] <agoliveira> Well, I'll give it a try later.
[05:58] <Sciri> agoliveira: Oooh...hot sauce! Thanks!
[05:58] <Mithrandir> hi Don, Peter
[05:58] <Don_Johnson> hello
[05:58] <ptung1> Hello
[05:59] <mawhalen> Mauri joined too
[05:59] <Mithrandir> ah, sorry, I didn't see you.  Hiya. :-)
[05:59] <agoliveira> Sciri: Yep. My older sister is going to pay me a visit next month and she will bring something special for you :)
[05:59] <Mithrandir> asac,amitk: you around?
[05:59] <Sciri> agoliveira: I am looking forward to the pain it will bring. ;)
[05:59] <benj3one> oh wow
[06:00] <agoliveira> Sciri: Cool. This one I asked her to bring is not very hot but very, very tasty in IMHO.
[06:00] <mawhalen> Role call from Intel - Rusty?  Todd?  Carl?  Bob?  John?
[06:00] <amitk> Mithrandir: yes
[06:00] <mawhalen> Rob is on vacation and will be back next week
[06:00] <ToddBrandt> yo
[06:00] <CharliefJohnson> Charlie's here!
[06:01] <Don_Johnson> Don Johnson from Intel is here.
[06:01] <asac> Mithrandir: still involved in other meeting ... will be here in a few
[06:01] <rustyl> i'm here
[06:01] <Mithrandir> asac: ahkay.
[06:01] <CharliefJohnson> Just finishing 20oz very strong coffee.
[06:02] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: Are we at critical mass?
[06:02] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: If I know american coffee, unless it's a spresso, it's probably about as strong as my tea :)
[06:03] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: I believe we are, yes.
[06:03] <Mithrandir> mawhalen: who are you missing on your end?
[06:03] <mawhalen> Bob
[06:03] <mawhalen> and John
[06:03] <mawhalen> Carl is joining - Carl?
[06:03] <Mithrandir> Carl's here, cwong1
[06:03] <cwong1> here
[06:04] <Mithrandir> ok, let's start.
[06:04] <Mithrandir> #startmeeting
[06:04] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:54. The chair is Mithrandir.
[06:04] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC] , [IDEA] , [ACTION] , [AGREED] , [LINK] , [VOTE] 
[06:04] <Mithrandir> clock's still off.
[06:05] <agoliveira> I was about to say that
[06:06] <Mithrandir> sorry, just trying to catch up with myself here and finding out which specs we have status reports for on the mailing list
[06:06] <Mithrandir> missing from:
[06:06] <Mithrandir> - browser
[06:06] <Mithrandir> - mobile-image-creatioin
[06:06] <Mithrandir> - mobile-utilities
[06:06] <Mithrandir> does that seem right?
[06:07] <ToddBrandt> sending mine out right now, sorry
[06:07] <ToddBrandt> moblin-utilities is on the list now
[06:07] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[06:07] <Mithrandir> the agenda I have is:
[06:07] <Mithrandir> - action items from last week
[06:07] <Mithrandir> - status reports
[06:07] <Mithrandir> - kernel status
[06:07] <Mithrandir> anybody have any more agenda items?
[06:07] <Mithrandir> hi bob
[06:07] <bspencer> hi
[06:08] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: Need to ask about GPLv3 
[06:08] <Mithrandir> ok
[06:08] <Mithrandir> if anybody has any more, tell me and I'll add it during the meeting
[06:09] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  action items from last week
[06:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items from last week 
[06:09] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir:  How about App status ?  Was there anything sent?
[06:09] <Mithrandir> I see Charlie got Waldo to send out status reports now; thanks a lot.
[06:09] <bspencer> CharliefJohnson: I sent for media and chat.
[06:09] <cwong1> CharliefJohnson: I sent the midbrowser
[06:10] <Mithrandir> cwong1: you did?  I haven't seen it
[06:10] <bspencer> haha!
[06:10] <bspencer> 9:06am
[06:10] <cwong1> I sent to ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com
[06:10] <Mithrandir> ah, there
[06:10] <cwong1> at 9:01
[06:10] <bspencer> I got it
[06:11] <asac> right ... last minute submission ;)
[06:11] <Mithrandir> The psb driver should be fine now, Charlie, have you tested that?
[06:12] <Mithrandir> I'm not sure how to see whether it's accellerating ops or not.
[06:12] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: No we still have an issue.  Our contractor has an issue with the patch that was submitted.  i need to send Steve his comments.
[06:12] <Mithrandir> ok, can you follow up on that?
[06:12] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir:  yes
[06:13] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  Charlie to follow up with Steve wrt psb patch for EXA 2.1
[06:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Charlie to follow up with Steve wrt psb patch for EXA 2.1 
[06:13] <Mithrandir> thanks.
[06:13] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: you were to check up dbus for gconf, how's that gone?
[06:13] <ToddBrandt> actually I need some clarification on that, what is it you're looking for Bob?
[06:14] <bspencer> dbus uses corba by default
[06:14] <bspencer> in gnome
[06:14] <ToddBrandt> I've been preoccupied with bug fixing this week and haven't had time to check into this one
[06:14] <rustyl> ?
[06:14] <rustyl> did you mean gconf ?
[06:14] <bspencer> Nokia had some patches for gconf to use dbus instead
[06:14] <bspencer> rustyl: sorry, yes
[06:15] <bspencer> gconf uses corba by default
[06:15] <bspencer> the assignment was to look at IPC wrt gconf
[06:15] <bspencer> and make sure it is what we want it to be
[06:15] <bspencer> if we don't have to include corba, it is one less thing
[06:15] <bspencer> that's all.
[06:15] <ToddBrandt> so in hildon-desktop?
[06:16] <bspencer> hildon-desktop uses dbus for notifications
[06:16] <bspencer> I don't know much about gconf as I've not looked into it 
[06:16] <bspencer> wrt communication
[06:16] <rustyl> bspencer, yes, gconf uses orbit
[06:16] <rustyl> at least the version we use
[06:16] <ToddBrandt> ok, I'll have a look at this as I test out the keybindings applet this week
[06:17] <Mithrandir> it'd probably be compromised of prodding a bit at libgconf too
[06:17] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: yea, my understanding of gconf is evolving as I enable the applets
[06:18] <Mithrandir> ok, I think you win the action item again. :-)
[06:18] <ToddBrandt> :)
[06:18] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  ToddBrandt to further investigate dbus for gconf
[06:18] <MootBot> ACTION received:  ToddBrandt to further investigate dbus for gconf 
[06:18] <Mithrandir> I checked up on the lsb-base bug that broken nm, and uploaded a fix.
[06:18] <Mithrandir> (from Todd, iirc?)
[06:19] <ToddBrandt> Mithrandir: great, when can we expect that to be in ubuntu gutsy?
[06:19] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: you were to investigate updates to mobile-power-thermal-opts, which has been posted, so thanks for that.
[06:19] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: it's been there since Friday or so
[06:19] <ToddBrandt> excellent!
[06:20] <Mithrandir> bfiller,rustyl,bspencer: the three of you were to work out the details on how to get the event mechanism in m-b-f working well
[06:20] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: I remember to nag them the night before.
[06:20] <bspencer> Mithrandir: yes we were.
[06:20] <bspencer> but only bfiller followed up
[06:20] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: yup, thanks.  It's usually what's needed.
[06:20] <bspencer> and so we haven't finished our assignment
[06:20] <rustyl> i saw the email yesterdaay from ben, but i haven't responded yet
[06:20] <Mithrandir> rustyl: on a slightly related note, can the mobile-application-service be removed from the archive now?
[06:21] <bspencer> Mithrandir: yes
[06:21] <Mithrandir> ok, coo.
[06:21] <bspencer> you can remove the glorious "MAS"
[06:21] <bspencer> :.(
[06:21] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to get mas removed from the archive
[06:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to get mas removed from the archive 
[06:21] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way
[06:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  bfiller, rustyl, bspencer to work out details on how to get event mechanism in mobile-basic-flash work well, in a meaningful way 
[06:21] <bspencer> Mithrandir: thanks
[06:21] <Mithrandir> I reviewed and approved specs, but that's some of an ongoing process.
[06:21] <rustyl> Mithrandir, on that same note, you need to update the ubuntu-mobile meta package to not pull in the application service
[06:22] <Mithrandir> rustyl: ack, that'll be part of it.
[06:22] <Mithrandir> and I failed to raise the scheduling on the mailing list, so I get that again
[06:22] <Mithrandir> sorry, doorbell
[06:22] <sodarock_home> while Mithrandir gets the doorbell anyone know the link to Mootbot?  To review action items?
[06:23] <agoliveira> bspencer: "mas" in portuguese means "but" or "evil females" which makes sense in a kind of kinky way :)
[06:23] <ToddBrandt> lol
[06:23] <agoliveira> sodarock_home: I think only Mithrandir can do it now as he's the chairperson.
[06:23] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: http://kryten.incognitus.net/mootbot/meetings/ubuntu-mobile.20070906_1555.html
[06:23] <sodarock_home> Oh I know that.  I just wanted to see them :)  Thanks Mithrandir 
[06:24] <bspencer> agoliveira: thanks for the info
[06:24] <bspencer> :)
[06:24] <agoliveira> Ah.. sorry I misunderstood your request.
[06:24] <Mithrandir> oh s/agolivera/sodarock_home/
[06:24] <Mithrandir> chop off the last bit of the URL and you get the directory
[06:24] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting
[06:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to raise scheduling/freezes on mailing list, decision to be taken in next week's meeting 
[06:24] <Mithrandir> moving on to status reports
[06:24] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  status reports
[06:24] <MootBot> New Topic:  status reports 
[06:25] <Mithrandir> now that browser and mobile-utilities have been sent to the list, we only have mobile-image-creation left.
[06:25] <Mithrandir> sodarock_home: slacker. :-P  Now you get to make up for it.
[06:26] <sodarock_home> Okay I can talk about MIC now if wanted?
[06:26] <Mithrandir> aka, what's up in m-i-c land?
[06:26] <Mithrandir> yes, please.
[06:26] <bspencer> a new icon for one
[06:26] <sodarock_home> Okay.  Edited the GUI to remove the ISO buttons.
[06:26] <sodarock_home> Yes a new "MIC" icon that replaces "PB"
[06:27] <sodarock_home> Started work on the project save and restore.
[06:27] <rustyl> now that's progress
[06:27] <sodarock_home> Currently can save a project via the command line.
[06:27] <rustyl> on the icon.... that is
[06:27] <sodarock_home> Woot!  icon!
[06:27] <sodarock_home> Added a throbber for writing a USB image.
[06:28] <sodarock_home> Throbber should not stop anymore when creating a USB image.
[06:28] <bspencer> sodarock_home: fixed a bug I was having too where image-creator would get wiped off my system and I'd have to logout when an error occured.
[06:28] <bspencer> very big for me
[06:28] <Mithrandir> you were reworking the config system too?
[06:29] <sodarock_home> Yes.  Had MIC make symbolic links into absolute links.  This was causing bugs before with bspencer
[06:29] <sodarock_home> The config system is well into place.
[06:29] <sodarock_home> More things should be added as time goes by.  But the basic stuff is there and I have seen no problems from the config system.
[06:30] <sodarock_home> That's all I can think of off the top of my head.   Can read the debian/changelog for more details.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> nice, thanks.
[06:30] <Mithrandir> what's next week's plans?
[06:30] <sodarock_home> Hopefully get the save and restore feature completed.  I know some pepper guys want that to work.
[06:31] <bspencer> yes, and me too.  Then we can have a well-known working project/target without having to create one
[06:31] <bspencer> no more complaints about failures holding people up
[06:31] <bspencer> (at least as often)
[06:31] <sodarock_home> That's all I got for now.
[06:31] <Mithrandir> thanks a lot.
[06:32] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  kernel status
[06:32] <MootBot> New Topic:  kernel status 
[06:32] <Mithrandir> amitk: the kernel is busted at the moment due to unionfs being broken in gutsy
[06:32] <Mithrandir> any idea when we can expect a fix for that?
[06:32] <amitk> Mithrandir: that's correct.
[06:33] <amitk> pkl (the filesystems expert) can only look at it next week. I will look at it tonight...
[06:34] <amitk> we could ask for the patch to be rolled back until a fix is found though.
[06:34] <Mithrandir> that'd be helpful
[06:34] <agoliveira> amitk: That would be great.
[06:34] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: One note guys.  The status of daily quite visible within Intel.  It staying broke for multiple days at a time causes a lot of issues and I end up doing lots of explaining.
[06:35] <amitk> I will talk to the kernel team. There is going to be a kernel upload tomorrow. So a revert will get us back on our horses on Monday
[06:35] <alek_xdu1> Mithrandir, do you know what's the last change for, I mean unionfs
[06:36] <sodarock_home> CharliefJohnson: Hopefully the save/restore with the PDK will help somewhat with issues like that.
[06:36] <sodarock_home> s/PDK/Moblin Image Creator/
[06:36] <amitk> alek_xdu1: it was to bring unionfs in sync with upstream
[06:36] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: understood.
[06:37] <alek_xdu1> amitk, thanks. I'm curious if Moblin kernel need do this also.
[06:37] <CharliefJohnson> sodarock_home:  I don't really use image-creator.  Just the menlow_full daily builds.
[06:37] <Mithrandir> amitk: it would be useful if we can work out a process to get fixes/workarounds for such problems applied a bit quicker through a well-defined procedure.
[06:37] <sodarock_home> Ahh.  Okay.  never mind then.
[06:37] <Mithrandir> do you have any suggestions to what we can do in that regard?
[06:38] <agoliveira> sodarock_home: I tried both. Same problem.
[06:38] <amitk> Currently, the only thing I can think of is a special daily build for UME kernels
[06:38] <rustyl> Mithrandir, do you keep the older kernel packages around in the gutsy apt repositories?
[06:39] <sodarock_home> agoliveira: huh?  what?
[06:39] <Mithrandir> rustyl: they're possible to find through launchpad, yes.
[06:39] <agoliveira> sodarock_home: daily builds against UME
[06:39] <Mithrandir> slightly involved process, but certainly not impossible.
[06:39] <CharliefJohnson> amitk: Are kernel fixes/changes only uploaded at set intervals ?? (Sorry I don't know the procedure.)
[06:40] <rustyl> Mithrandir, i was thinking... if our fset installed a specific kernel version then we could just update the fset when a warm body verifies the new kernel works as expected
[06:40] <rustyl> but that only works if the older kernel packages stick around in the apt repositor
[06:40] <amitk> CharliefJohnson: That is correct. About 2-3 times a month. This is because preparing the ABI, testing the builds on all supported architectures takes some time
[06:41] <Mithrandir> amitk: ok, so maybe we should have a test case that at least does a basic functionality test of what we need for UME would be useful?
[06:42] <CharliefJohnson> amitk: Do they test UME ??  Make sure it still installs?
[06:43] <amitk> Mithrandir: yes.. but this one came out of the blue... it was because of Apparmor changes
[06:43] <Mithrandir> amitk: we shouldn't end up being overcautious, I agree, but when those kinds of problem happens, it's very problematic.
[06:44] <amitk> CharliefJohnson: Yes, UME is tested. But in this case it slipped through the cracks associated with timezones
[06:44] <CharliefJohnson> amitk, Mithrandir : The issue isn't the introduced bug.  It is the time to get a fix.  
[06:45] <amitk> CharliefJohnson: agreed and noted.
[06:46] <Mithrandir> amitk: can you take an action item to think some good thoughts about ways to work around the problem if it appears again?
[06:46] <amitk> Mithrandir: I will. This is clearly unacceptable.
[06:47] <Mithrandir> thanks
[06:47] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir, amitk : Great.  Thanks.
[06:47] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  amit to investigate ways to work around or fix critical kernel problems when then pop up
[06:47] <MootBot> ACTION received:  amit to investigate ways to work around or fix critical kernel problems when then pop up 
[06:47] <Mithrandir> ok, moving on to GPLv3
[06:47] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  GPLv3
[06:47] <MootBot> New Topic:  GPLv3 
[06:48] <CharliefJohnson> Do we expect Hardy Heron to contain any GPLv3 code ??  
[06:48] <Mithrandir> yes
[06:48] <CharliefJohnson> The Intel legal beavers are asking.
[06:48] <CharliefJohnson> Do we know what yet ?  There isn't any in Gutsy, right?
[06:49] <Mithrandir> depending on how the usb-client spec is actually implemented, it'll use samba which is now GPLv3, at least newer major releases.
[06:50] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: i hadn't heard that samba had moved.  GPLv3 is cause great anxiety with Intel.
[06:50] <mjg59> CharliefJohnson: Most code from the FSF will probably be GPLv3 by then. So that includes things like our C compiler.
[06:50] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: http://news.samba.org/announcements/samba_gplv3/ , so that changed two months ago.
[06:51] <mjg59> Not shipping GPLv3 code really isn't an option for us
[06:51] <rustyl> or any other linux distribution for that matter
[06:51] <agoliveira> +1
[06:51] <Mithrandir> we'll have to learn how GPLv3 and GPLv2 interacts (or doesn't), though
[06:52] <CharliefJohnson> mjg59: I realize that.  I need to make it clear to the powers that be however.  
[06:52] <ToddBrandt> CharliefJohnson: I've included some code in moblin-applets that's GPL2+, does that plus mean anything I should be worried about?
[06:52] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: Gutsy has no GPLv3, correct?
[06:52] <Mithrandir> ToddBrandt: you can treat GPLv2+ as GPLv2 just fine.
[06:53] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: I honestly don't know.
[06:53] <mjg59> CharliefJohnson: I think it would be difficult for us to absolutely commit to that, given the quantity of software we have
[06:54] <Mithrandir> well, binutils is GPL-3
[06:54] <Mithrandir> so we clearly have GPLv3 code in gutsy.
[06:54] <CharliefJohnson> Was that in the license list you sent me a while back?
[06:55] <Mithrandir> I don't remember, but as I noted in that list, it was a snapshot of what was in gutsy at that time, not what would be in the released version
[06:56] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: I need an updated license list.  Can you send me a new one for Gutsy?   This is more of a business issue, and I can take this offline for now.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> ok.
[06:58] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir: Can you record an action to send me an updated license list for Gutsy?
[06:58] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  tfheen to send CharliefJohnson updated list of licences for UME components.
[06:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  tfheen to send CharliefJohnson updated list of licences for UME components. 
[06:58] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir, : thanks!
[06:59] <Mithrandir> CharliefJohnson: did you get your question about app statuses answered?
[06:59] <agoliveira> I was waiting for my turn.
[06:59] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: heh, sure
[06:59] <CharliefJohnson> Casual Games were to be  chosen and uploaded by today.  Did that happen?
[06:59] <Mithrandir> [TOPIC]  App status
[06:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  App status 
[07:01] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: please go ahead
[07:01] <agoliveira> Ok, from the top, I aways try to keep the applications page on the wiki updated so you can aways check there anytime.
[07:01] <agoliveira> About the applications themselves:
[07:02] <agoliveira> The last few days we had added hildonized galculator and Evince.
[07:02] <agoliveira> Also hildonized, of course.
[07:02] <agoliveira> I made a series of tests with games and I choose a few the results are:
[07:03] <agoliveira> 3D Games: Foobillard, Neverball and Neverputt, Supertux and Planet Penguin Racer - Very easy, they are there yet and as they run fullscreen, no adaptations are needed.  
[07:03] <agoliveira> 2D games: Frozen Bubble, aisleriot, blackjack, gnometris, gnome-sudoku and gnomine. The problem here is that they will need hildonization with exception of Frozen Bubble.
[07:03] <CharliefJohnson> agoliveira: I don't have the URL for that in front of me.  Has the list of identified apps on the wiki page?  Not just the list of possibilities - be which were choosen.
[07:03] <agoliveira> I just sent the list
[07:04] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I don't think we need that many games?  3-4 in total should be ok, I'd say.
[07:04] <agoliveira> All those games are already availble so pick them :)
[07:04] <amitk> agoliveira: all of them are hildonized?
[07:04] <Mithrandir> you've looked at them, so it's better if you give your assessment.
[07:05] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I would include them all as long as I can hildonize the interfaces of the 2D games. You are asking to limit :)
[07:05] <agoliveira> amitk: No, this needs to be done for some of the 2D games
[07:06] <agoliveira> and gaming is a matter of taste so, if I has to chose, say 4, I would do:
[07:06] <agoliveira> 3D: Foobillard, Neverball and Neverputt (they are the same)
[07:06] <agoliveira> 2D: Frozen bubble and gnome-suduku
[07:07] <ToddBrandt> Isecond the sudoku vote
[07:07] <bspencer> I've played with Neverball and it works pretty good, with some small tweaks
[07:07] <agoliveira> I mean, gnome-sudoku
[07:07] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: yes, I'm saying you should pick a total of 3 or 4.
[07:08] <agoliveira> I also checked some of the games already ported for maemo but they usually make use of the hardware keys which would add another problem for us so I just left them aside for now.
[07:08] <Mithrandir> sounds fine, then, and we'll start with those
[07:08] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Fine to me.
[07:08] <Mithrandir> to what extent do they need changes?
[07:08] <agoliveira> One can just add on the fsets. They are already built.
[07:09] <Mithrandir> ok, and gnome-sudoku for instance is already hildonised?
[07:09] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: just the gnome-sudoku needs hildonization but it's fairly simple
[07:09] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I can have it done as soon as I finish my current tasks, say monday
[07:09] <Mithrandir> ok, but the rest are either fullscreen or already hildonised for lpia?
[07:09] <agoliveira> Fullscreen
[07:09] <Mithrandir> ok, thanks.
[07:10] <CharliefJohnson> Mithrandir:  Can we have an action to update the wiki/blueprint to clear identify which apps have been chosen for UME.  Similar to that table I sent out last week.   
[07:10] <agoliveira> IS that satisfactory for all of you?
[07:10] <Mithrandir> [ACTION]  agoliveira to update wiki with what applications have been chosen
[07:10] <MootBot> ACTION received:  agoliveira to update wiki with what applications have been chosen 
[07:10] <agoliveira> No problem.
[07:10] <Mithrandir> ok, anybody got any more business?
[07:10] <agoliveira> Im' fine.
[07:11] <bspencer> one note
[07:11] <bspencer> tomorrow, this same time, kwwii and I will discuss UI
[07:11] <bspencer> on this channel
[07:11] <bspencer> fyi
[07:11] <Mithrandir> sounds good
[07:11] <bspencer> that's all
[07:11] <kwwii> so everyone stay away from your computers at this time tomorrow
[07:11] <kwwii> :p
[07:11] <Mithrandir> heh
[07:11] <agoliveira> kwwii: BTW, I need to talk to you for a few minutes, can we?
[07:11] <Mithrandir> meeting adjourned.
[07:11] <Mithrandir> #endmeeting
[07:11] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 17:01.
[07:12] <kwwii> agoliveira: sure
[07:12] <bspencer> agoliveira: in US "boos" is a positive thing ;)
[07:12] <Mithrandir> thanks everybody.
[07:12] <Mithrandir> HappyCamp: how's the sponsorship process working for you?
[07:12] <agoliveira> bspencer: Really? :) You americans are weird :)
[07:12] <bspencer> agoliveira: oh wait, that was booze
[07:12] <sodarock_home> Mithrandir: Okay.  But I have to work with our guys to get stuff pushed into Gutsy to make sure I progress faster.
[07:13] <kwwii> agoliveira: how can I be of service?
[07:13] <agoliveira> kwwii: Can you gifve me 5 min? Ana just came in with my coffee :)
[07:14] <kwwii> agoliveira:  sure but in 15 I am going to run to the store
[07:14] <kwwii> agoliveira: or we can talk in about half an hour when I get back
[07:14] <agoliveira> kwwii: Are you comming back?
[07:14] <kwwii> yepp
[07:14] <agoliveira> deal
[07:14] <kwwii> ok, see you soon
[07:35] <agoliveira> kwwii: Ping me when you get back
[07:39] <bspencer_> agoliveira, I saw you said we had "galculator"
[07:39] <agoliveira> bspencer_: I saw a galculator on the image but not hildonized.
[07:40] <bspencer_> we hildonized galculator
[07:42] <agoliveira> bspencer_: Really? I thought we agreed that Intel would contact me before any application chenges so we don't have duplicated efforts.
[07:42] <agoliveira> changes
[07:58] <kwwii> agoliveira: ping
[07:59] <agoliveira> kwwii: Yo. Actually it's a quite simple request. I need to know what's the ume theme status.
[08:00] <kwwii> agoliveira: I am still waiting to be able to test it
[08:00] <kwwii> agoliveira: I have a first test theme ready
[08:01] <kwwii> agoliveira: the most work at this point needs to be done on the colors in the gtkrc
[08:01] <kwwii> and this is nasty "edit, check what changed, edit again" work
[08:01] <agoliveira> kwwii: Is there anything I can pack?
[08:01] <kwwii> agoliveira: nope, I have a package ready, actually
[08:01] <agoliveira> kwwii: Does it work in some form? If so, please, upload it.
[08:02] <kwwii> but until I can test the gtkrc in a decent way the font colors are somewhat unreadable in parts
[08:02] <kwwii> agoliveira: the package builds but you cannot install it because we are missing parts
[08:02] <kwwii> parts of code, not of the theme
[08:02] <agoliveira> kwwii: Is anyone working on this?
[08:03] <kwwii> bspencer_ said that he would see to this stuff this week
[08:03] <kwwii> I have kinda been waiting for two weeks on this
[08:03] <kwwii> so I worked on a few icons in the meantime
[08:03] <kwwii> tha tis something else we will need to do
[08:03] <kwwii> branch the tango set and start modifying it for our needs
[08:03] <agoliveira> kwwii: Cool. Actually it was Matt who asked me to make a report about the status of things.
[08:03] <agoliveira> I mean UME things.
[08:04] <agoliveira> kwwii: Thanks.
[08:04] <kwwii> agoliveira: great, I really hope we can start moving forward on this soon
[08:37] <Mithrandir> Sciri: can you add set -x to the top of /usr/share/ume-config-common/ume-gui-start and repaste your .xsession-errors?
[08:38] <Sciri> Mithrandir: OK, will do...
[08:39] <Mithrandir> thanks
[08:41] <Sciri> Mithrandir: One unrelated note...I've found with the broken kernel if you reboot enough times it eventually comes up...I'm running an image built this morning.
[08:42] <Mithrandir> Sciri: ok, useful to know.
[08:46] <Sciri> Mithrandir: OK, the new pastelog is at http://paste.debian.net/37032 (Fresh reboot. X came up but nm-applet did not load so I manually ran nm-applet to bring up the network).
[08:50] <Sciri> Mithrandir: Also, on this fresh image (samsung with proprietary) I have root privs back to the Control Panels work; just no nm-applet running at boot.
[08:50] <Sciri> *so the Control Panels work
[08:51] <Mithrandir> Sciri: can you change the echo in the line going for START in $(echo ... into ls?
[08:51] <Mithrandir> so it turns into for START in $(ls /etc/xdg/autostart/*.desktop /usr/share/autostart/*.desktop /usr/share/gnome/autostart/*.desktop | sort -u | grep -v "*"); do
[08:51] <Sciri> ls or ls -1?
[09:09] <Mithrandir> doesn't matter.
[09:09] <Sciri> OK...
[09:09] <Mithrandir> actually, wait a sec
[09:09] <Mithrandir> for START in $(find /etc/xdg/autostart/ /usr/share/autostart/ /usr/share/gnome/autostart/ -name \*.desktop); do
[09:09] <Mithrandir> is what the line should look like
[09:09] <Sciri> Ooops...just rebooted. I'll change it to find when it comes back up...
[09:09] <Mithrandir> thanks
[09:09] <Mithrandir> and you can rm ~ume/.xsession-errors too
[09:09] <Mithrandir> since it's appended to
[09:09] <Sciri> Already did...
[09:09] <Sciri> Oh...ls worked. I have nm-applet and Bluetooth in the status bar at boot now...should I still change it to find?
[09:09] <Mithrandir> well, it's going to be find in the next upload, but feel free to have it be ls, ls should be fine as well
[09:09] <Sciri> Great, I'll switch it to find so it matches what will be in the next package release.
[09:09] <Sciri> Any ETA on when that build will fire so we can update our target?
[09:41] <smagoun> Anyone have dates installed? 0.4.3-1ubuntu2 segfaults for me, is that expected?
[09:51] <agoliveira> smagoun: Last time I tried worked fine. Can you open a bug please?
[09:59] <Mithrandir> Sciri: new ume-config-common uploaded, so it should be available in a bit less than two hours, I hope
[09:59] <Sciri> Mithrandir: 
[09:59] <Sciri> Mithrandir: Outstanding
[10:00] <Mithrandir> Sciri: sorry it took a bit, I was on a conference call
[10:00] <Sciri> No worries! :)
[10:02] <agoliveira> I'm leaving on cue today, no overtime because I'm doing some cooking classes :) If you need anything email me and I'll check it out later. Bye!
[12:27] <bspencer> kwwii, sleeping?
[12:28] <kwwii> bspencer: not quite yet
[12:28] <kwwii> wassup?
[12:28] <bspencer> you da man!
[12:28] <bspencer> quick question you might know
[12:28] <kwwii> sure, shoot away
[12:29] <bspencer> we have this simple app which sets the color of buttons manually
[12:29] <kwwii> so it has it's own gtkrc
[12:29] <bspencer> gtk_widget_modify_bg(buttonPkg->button2, GTK_STATE_NORMAL, &color)
[12:29] <bspencer> but this gets overridden by the theme
[12:29] <bspencer> is it possible to say "don't use the theme, I'm smarter"
[12:30] <bspencer> if I remove the env var that points to the theme  (e.g. GTKRC....) then it keeps our color, otherwise it overrides it
[12:30] <bspencer> (remove the env variable in a terminal before I start our app)
[12:30] <bspencer> this was a common problem that other apps guys were saying (like media player) when they would try to set the background to a specific color that was different than the theme.   (maybe htis is a taboo thing to do)
[12:30] <kwwii> I think there should be a way to point to an app specific gtkrc, but I have no idea how
[12:31] <bspencer> ok.  I'll google for that
[12:31] <bspencer> at least an app specific gtkrc for /some/ things, and then use the parent gtkrc for others.
[12:32] <kwwii> exactly, whatever is defined in the app specific gtkrc overides the system stuff, otherwise the rest is left along
[12:32] <kwwii> alone
[12:32] <bspencer> cool.  I found some references.  I'll try it.
[12:32] <kwwii> btw I had a long talk with tango people
[12:32] <bspencer> ah
[12:32] <kwwii> I know how to deal with the icon theme now
[12:32] <kwwii> but kyle will not like it :-)
[12:33] <kwwii> and they are intersted in helping us where possible
[12:33] <kwwii> but more on that tomorrow
[12:33] <bspencer> ha ha.  yes.  looking forward to more info tom.
[12:34] <bspencer> thanks.  the brain implant we put in your head seems to work to notify you when you are summoned.
[12:34] <kwwii> hehe, it is the loud "ping" that happens when someone mentions my nick
[12:34] <bspencer> working from home has its disadvantages
[12:34] <kwwii> in the meantime, my son says "papa, someone is talking to you!"
[12:35] <DAmm2> Are there screenshots of recent daily builds? I have a Samsung Q1 and I'm very anxious to see how it looks
[12:36] <kwwii_> although working from the SUSE office wasn't much better, I just spent more time an hour away from home
[12:36] <kwwii_> netsplit, what fun
[12:36] <kwwii> finally time for sleep...see you tomorrow
[12:37] <bspencer> kwwii, see ya.