[02:20] <norsetto> ScottK: ping
[02:20] <TheMuso> norsetto: Sorry, I didn't read version numbers for hexter correctly, so I'll look at that shortly.
[02:21] <norsetto> TheMuso: sure
[02:22] <norsetto> ScottK: the bloated thing doesn't build on my machine too, I think it needs at least 2 GB
[02:33] <RAOF> StevenK: Hi, I'm back.
[02:37] <RAOF> StevenK: Yes, democracyplayer can be removed from the archives.  Miro superceds it.
[02:38] <TheMuso> RAOF: What about a transitional package?
[02:38] <TheMuso> Or aern't we supporting that?
[02:39] <crimsun> Replaces: democracyplayer
[02:39] <crimsun> Provides: democracyplayer
[02:39] <TheMuso> ah ok
[02:39] <TheMuso> forgot about that. :p
[02:41] <RAOF> TheMuso: I'm all over it :)
[02:41] <RAOF> Also, hi crimsun :)
[02:42] <StevenK> RAOF: You'll file a Bug of Death?
[02:42] <RAOF> I'll look into how to do that, yes.
[02:42] <RAOF> Now that I'm back from Hobart, I'll me more active again.
[02:46] <RAOF> StevenK: So, in short, the process is "File a bug asking for it to be removed, and subscribe archive-admin"?
[02:49] <StevenK> RAOF: Correct.
[02:59] <RAOF> Bug Of Death filed.
[02:59] <StevenK> Nice.
[03:00] <StevenK> I won't bother fixing it against the new boost, then. :-)
[03:01] <RAOF> Oh, crap.  New boost?
[03:01] <RAOF> Oh, geser's fixed miro against the new boost, right?
[03:01] <StevenK> Right.
[03:01] <StevenK> I'm about to upload 28 rebuilds.
[03:02] <RAOF> Hoooray for libboost!
[03:02] <StevenK> Yeah, well...
[03:03] <TheMuso> StevenK: ooo fun.
[03:13] <bddebian> Heya gang
[03:15] <RAOF> Heya bddebian
[03:15] <bddebian> Hi RAOF
[03:17] <alex-weej_> can some motu please rebuild vmware kernel modules please? they've been stuck on feisty kernel versions...
[03:18] <alex-weej_> and vmware-player refuses to install on gutsy as a result
[03:19] <alex-weej_> Depends: vmware-player-kernel-modules-2.6.20-15  but it is not installable
[03:21] <TheMuso> alex-weej_: I think the kernel team are responsible for that, as the kernel is a constantly moving target.
[03:22] <bddebian> dang
[03:22] <TheMuso> StevenK: Hopefully most of those aren't big. :)
[03:23] <alex-weej_> VMware Build Team <vmware-builds@vmware.com> is marked as maintainer so hmmm
[03:23] <StevenK> TheMuso: They are all rebuilds, but some of them will take over an hour to build.
[03:23] <alex-weej_> maybe they will release once Gutsy betas when the kernel versions calm down
[03:23] <TheMuso> StevenK: Well at least thats good for uploading.
[04:04] <bddebian> What texlive packages replace tetex-bin and tetex-extra?
[07:11] <ScottK> nixternal: New courier upstream release has your name on it.
[07:13] <StevenK> What, it says "Vista"? :-P
[07:14] <ScottK> He made the mistake of touching courier last.
[07:15] <ScottK> It looks, based on a quick glance at the diff that the Debian maintainer has cleaned it up a bit.
[07:18] <ScottK> Good night all (or StevenK which may well be all).
[07:22] <StevenK> Heh
[07:57] <asisak> Good morning!
[08:03] <desertc> Greetings, Asisak.  Good luck with the mastering of the universe today.
[08:10] <asisak> Hmm.
[08:10] <asisak> How does REVU determine if a package is an upload or a new one?
[08:10] <superm1_> morning asisak
[08:10] <asisak> I have seen new packages that has been advocated by only one person and marked with a heart and also a package that is an update one and not marked by a heart...
[08:10] <asisak> Hey superm1_
[08:11] <superm1_> asisak, perhaps does it query the archive?
[08:11] <superm1_> to see if it exists there
[08:11] <asisak> Oh, sure. Maybe the package is still in the NEW queue.
[08:11] <asisak> I mean scolily.
[08:11] <asisak> What is an update package now.
[08:12] <superm1_> scolily stilll hasn't cleared NEW?
[08:12] <asisak> On the other hand rutilt was a new one and it was marked by a heart after my 1st ack
[08:12] <superm1_> that's one of the first ones i remember revuing :)
[08:12] <asisak> superm1_: I am not saying this. I am just wondering...
[08:12] <asisak> Where is the queue?
[08:12] <superm1_> https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[08:12] <superm1_> rutitlt is in there for binary it look
[08:12] <asisak> Thanks superm1_
[08:13] <asisak> Yes. Now it is there.
[08:13] <superm1_> well https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+queue
[08:13] <superm1_> if your not beta
[08:13] <asisak> Scolily is out of here of course.
[08:13] <asisak> Then it is a REVU-bug.
[08:23] <asisak> superm1_: do you know what the new qtpfsgui upload brings? The debdiff seems to be perfectly empty...
[08:24] <superm1_> asisak, its a change in the .orig.tar.gz i think
[08:24] <asisak> Should be in the debdiff, though.
[08:24] <superm1_> it was related to licensing i believe too
[08:24] <superm1_> well the .orig.tar.gz's have different sizes though
[08:24] <superm1_> but your right
[08:24] <superm1_> should still be in the debdiff
[08:25] <asisak> Can you check if it is empty for you as well?
[08:25] <superm1_> my understanding was that it didn't clear the NEW queue due to a licensing issue, so a new package freeze exception was filed for it
[08:25] <superm1_> sure give me a sec
[08:27] <superm1_> asisak, the debdiff is identical, but the license is indeed different between the two .orig.tar.gz's
[08:28] <superm1_> do a diff -urN across the two directories
[08:28] <asisak> But why is this omitted in the debdiff :(
[08:28] <superm1_> i wonder if he accidently reverts the changes
[08:28] <superm1_> in the .diff.tar.gz
[08:28] <asisak> This might be the case.
[08:30] <superm1_> hm well no the diff's are identical on the two
[08:31] <superm1_> by gunzip'ing the two .diff.gz's
[08:31] <superm1_> hm
[08:32] <pwnguin> hmm. is ubuntu affected by US export laws?
[08:32] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: I find if I ask nicely, I can get stuff out of NEW.
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: I wouldn't know who to ask - any suggestions?
[08:33] <tonyyarusso> pwnguin: depends where the developers reside - remember it's an "export" law
[08:34] <superm1_> asisak, i figured it out
[08:34] <superm1_> he updated the .orig.tar.gz
[08:34] <superm1_> but didn't regenerate the dsc/diff.gz
[08:35] <superm1_> at least that is what it is looking like to me
[08:35] <asisak> superm1_: thanks, cool
[08:36] <TheMuso> Hey folks.
[08:36] <asisak> Hey TheMuso
[08:36] <tonyyarusso> OT: Any of you folks know of good Ubuntu/Linux-related podcasts?
[08:36] <superm1_> hey TheMuso
[08:37] <pwnguin> tonyyarusso: so the servers are not in the US
[08:37] <superm1_> asisak, er nvm i take that back.  its still not showing up differently
[08:37] <pwnguin> tonyyarusso: apparently fingerprint verification may be subject to export laws =/
[08:37] <tonyyarusso> pwnguin: not most of them anyway, and I'd think most people using the US ones are in it...?
[08:37] <pwnguin> the mirrors at least
[08:38] <pwnguin> but if you upload to say a ppa
[08:39] <StevenK> Then I suspect it is subject to *UK* export law.
[08:39] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: What do you want to get looked at?
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: kompozer, still
[08:39] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: (someone actually just sent an e-mail asking if it had been processed yet, after seeing the UVFe)
[08:40] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: Neil Wilson?
[08:41] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: ty :)
[08:41] <StevenK> Grrhm?
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> I'm omniscient
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> or in too many irc channels
[08:42] <StevenK> tonyyarusso: pitti, Mithrandir or seb128 are the best people to get to know for archive type things. :-)
[08:42] <tonyyarusso> StevenK: good to know
[08:46] <TheMuso> ~799/c
[08:46] <TheMuso> argh
[08:49] <StevenK> Hrm. TheMuso is getting more unpredictable about running c
[08:53] <TheMuso> StevenK: Its more to do with orca and unusual behavior if lag occurs.
[08:54] <TheMuso> s/should/shouldn't/
[09:00] <StevenK> TheMuso: It makes sense to me - it allows it to be very easily extended.
[09:01] <StevenK> TheMuso: Maybe the Orca guys need to refactor the reading code into a Python module written in C.
[09:01] <StevenK> TheMuso: Although, is the problem in the *reading*, or the *speaking*?
[09:04] <TheMuso> StevenK: Haven't tried to work it out.
[09:05] <TheMuso> Mind you, this is not on the most speedy machine I have, and on an arch that is not officially supported by Ubuntu. :)
[09:05] <dholbach> good morning
[09:16] <jussi01> morning dholbach!
[09:16] <dholbach> hey jussi01
[09:16] <siretart> ajmitch: I cannot remember disabling it. I therefore don't think I did :)
[09:16] <dholbach> morning doko
[09:16] <dholbach> hey siretart
[09:16] <siretart> morning folks!
[09:16] <siretart> hi dholbach! hi doko!
[09:18] <StevenK> TheMuso: Well, you could try refactoring one of those two parts into C, and trying it. :-0
[09:18] <StevenK> s/:-0/:-)/
[09:20] <TheMuso> heh
[09:26] <asisak> Hey Hobbsee
[09:26] <asisak> See you later MOTUs et. al.
[12:42] <sistpoty> hi folks
[12:42] <Hobbsee> hi sistpoty!
[12:42] <sistpoty> hi Hobbsee
[12:44] <dholbach> hey sistpoty
[12:45] <sistpoty> hi dholbach
[12:45] <sistpoty> oh, I should be careful, as I'm ill atm, not to spread my disease *g*
[12:46] <dholbach> sistpoty: you're not the only one... I know of doko and my girlfriend who are too coughing atm
[12:46] <sistpoty> :(
[01:13] <jmg> ok thats weird
[01:13] <jmg> just rebooted after an update and gdm is horked
[01:59] <bluekuja> Whoopie, good morning
[01:59] <bluekuja> any progress on your work?
[01:59] <sistpoty> hi bluekuja
[01:59] <bluekuja> sistpoty, heya stefan!
[01:59] <bluekuja> :)
[02:00] <bluekuja> sistpoty, everything ok?
[02:00] <sistpoty> bluekuja: yes, apart from that I'm ill, everything's fine :)
[02:00] <ddaa> Hi, do you guys know if any effort was made to package http://peadrop.com/blog/2007/01/06/pretty-emacs/ based on the gutsy snapshot?
[02:00] <bluekuja> sistpoty, oh :) I hope you'll be ok again soon!
[02:01] <Whoopie> bluekuja: morning. Please have a look at bug 109151
[02:01] <Ubotu> Launchpad bug 109151 in uswsusp "no hibernate with uswsusp installed" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/109151
[02:01] <sistpoty> bluekuja: thanks... actually I'm almost recovered, so I guess I can go back to work tomorrow
[02:01] <bluekuja> sistpoty, Is persia disappeared?
[02:01] <StevenK> crimsun: Hey, are you around?
[02:01] <bluekuja> Whoopie, heya
[02:02] <sistpoty> bluekuja: no idea... haven't been much around on irc recently
[02:02] <bluekuja> checking
[02:02] <Whoopie> bluekuja: uswsusp needs more love then just fixing the merge.
[02:02] <bluekuja> Whoopie, I dont use that package
[02:02] <StevenK> By us, or the Debian guy?
[02:02] <bluekuja> and it would be nice to have you on ity
[02:02] <ScottK> bluekuja: persia has been pretty tied up with work the last month or so.  He still reads e-mail if you need something.
[02:03] <bluekuja> ScottK, oh thanks!
[02:04] <bluekuja> Whoopie, gonna test the debdiff right now
[02:04] <bluekuja> Whoopie, the desc is not really good
[02:04] <bluekuja> just write re-adding usplash support
[02:05] <Whoopie> bluekuja: ok
[02:05] <bluekuja> anyway I need someone to test it
[02:05] <bluekuja> somewhere
[02:05] <bluekuja> to confirm it works
[02:05] <bluekuja> anyway I'm grabbing everything atm
[02:05] <Whoopie> sure, hopefully, I'll find some time on the weekend.
[02:06] <bluekuja> Whoopie, do you want to take of that package?
[02:06] <bluekuja> *care
[02:06] <bluekuja> e.g testing, bug fixing et all?
[02:09] <Whoopie> bluekuja: normally, I use suspend2 for hibernate, but I wanted to test an alternative and found this issue. I have no clue about the procedure for revu, etc.
[02:09] <bluekuja> Whoopie, actually that's not a problem
[02:09] <bluekuja> Whoopie, you dont need revu for that anyway
[02:09] <bluekuja> just subscribe to all bugs uswusp related
[02:10] <bluekuja> and try to help us out
[02:10] <bluekuja> Whoopie, please delete tmp stuff
[02:10] <bluekuja> It's not nice for a debdiff
[02:10] <bluekuja> ;)
[02:13] <Whoopie> bluekuja: I did that debdiff with "debdiff". that's what it produced.
[02:13] <bluekuja> Whoopie, I know. But as I said it's not nice to have it
[02:13] <bluekuja> you can easily delete it manually
[02:13] <bluekuja> don't worry
[02:13] <Whoopie> ok
[02:14] <Whoopie> bluekuja: what I don't understand why uswsusp doesn't depend automaticly on libusplash0.
[02:14] <bluekuja> Whoopie, what do you mean with automatically?
[02:16] <Whoopie> bluekuja: why doesn't dh_shlibdeps generate the dependency?
[02:17] <bluekuja> Whoopie, oh, that's better
[02:17] <bluekuja> :)
[02:18] <bluekuja> Whoopie, is it libsplashy1?
[02:18] <bluekuja> debian has it
[02:19] <Whoopie> bluefoxicy: libusplash0
[02:19] <Whoopie> s/bluefoxicy/bluekuja
[02:19] <bluekuja> Whoopie, I dont know then
[02:19] <bluekuja> Whoopie, you may ask to debian maintainer
[02:19] <bluekuja> to have some clarifications
[02:54] <fernando> moin all
[02:54] <geser> Hi fernando
[02:54] <jwendell> hey, fernando!
[02:54] <fernando> hi geser, jwendell
[02:55] <jwendell> fernando, did you see dholbach's comment?
[02:55] <fernando> jwendell, let me see
[02:55] <dholbach> hey jwendell, hey fernando, hey geser
[02:55] <dholbach> how's it going guys?
[02:56] <jwendell> hi, dholbach!
[02:56] <fernando> dholbach, fine, thanks. and you?
[02:56] <norsetto> afternoon lads
[02:56] <dholbach> good good :-)
[02:56] <dholbach> heya norsetto
[02:56] <geser> Hi dholbach, norsetto
[02:56] <norsetto> geser: hey
[02:57] <norsetto> sorry, the Master :-)
[02:58] <norsetto> scottK: Saw my message about eclipse?
[02:58] <ScottK> Yes I did.
[02:58] <ScottK> Thanks for trying.
[02:59] <norsetto> ScottK: that thing is a killer :-(
[02:59] <zul> dholbach: can you have a look at that gimmie bug, I would patch it myself but im not sure https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gimmie/+bug/138948
[02:59] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138948 in gimmie "Gimmie crashes on startup" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[02:59] <ScottK> norsetto: Agreed.
[02:59] <fernando> dholbach, on #134560, this fixes are to gtk-vnc or vinagre? or both? =)
[03:00] <dholbach> fernando: please file a separate bug for gtk-vnc and I'll add my list of notes to it
[03:00] <dholbach> zul: looking
[03:00] <fernando> dholbach, ok, great
[03:00] <norsetto> anyone need a test compilation for lpia ;-) ?
[03:00] <zul> dholbach: thanks
[03:01] <dholbach> zul: I wonder why Alex does not commit it to svn
[03:01] <ScottK> fernando: But please don't subscribe motu-uvf to it.
[03:01] <norsetto> ScottK: btw, solved my sound problem after the last kmix update
[03:01] <ScottK> norsetto: Great.
[03:02] <dholbach> zul: yeah, looks good to commit it afaics
[03:02] <zul> dholbach: ok ill do it tonight
[03:02] <dholbach> rock on
[03:03] <fernando> ScottK, ok, thanks
[03:04] <DarkSun88> Hi all
[03:05] <norsetto> hi darkie
[03:06] <DarkSun88> Hi norsetto
[03:08] <fernando> dholbach, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/139371
[03:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139371 in ubuntu "[need-packaging]  gtk-vnc" [Undecided,New] 
[03:09] <fernando> fixing vinagre
[03:10] <zul> dholbach: screw it ive already uploaded the fix
[03:10] <dholbach> yoohoo
[03:10] <dholbach> fernando: updated, please bump back to fix committed once you've fixed those
[03:10] <geser> StevenK: I've seen you working on sfftobmp with the new boost. Is it ok if I upload a fixed package?
[03:34] <sistpoty> cya
[03:40] <huats> Hi all
[03:42] <huats> I have build in my ppa a new .deb that fixes #138167
[03:42] <huats> do I also have to put the debdiff  in a bug comment, or do I have to reference my ppa build in the bug ?
[03:44] <Hobbsee> use a debdiff - easier to check
[03:46] <huats> Hobbsee: o
[03:46] <huats> ok
[03:50] <zul> Hobbsee: say jono's name 3 times and he will magically appear
[03:58] <jono> Hobbsee: heading to a meeting, ping me in a few hours :)
[03:58] <Hobbsee> jono: will be asleep then (or should be).  feel free to ping me the next time you see me
[03:58] <jono> Hobbsee: ok
[03:58] <jono> Hobbsee: or mail me :)
[04:01] <ScottK> \sh: Do you have a moment?
[04:03] <\sh> if you give me 5 mins for a cigarette...sure...
[04:03] <ScottK> \sh: OK.  Let me know when you are back.  Thaks.
[04:03] <ScottK> Thanks even
[04:11] <ScottK> dholbach: Would you please upload Bug #128262 again.  UVFe is now approved.
[04:11] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128262 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  sqlite-ruby" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128262
[04:12] <dholbach> ScottK: sure
[04:12] <ScottK> Great.
[04:13] <dholbach> ScottK: done
[04:13] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:16] <ScottK> dholbach: For ppaput, who does it subscribe to the bug?
[04:18] <dholbach> ubuntu-universe-sponsors or ubuntu-main-sponsors
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh, ick, so u-u-s is also sponsoring new packages.  fun
[04:18] <dholbach> there's no --uvf mode yet
[04:18] <\sh> ScottK, sorry...I needed to walk to our security datacenter...across our area here :)
[04:18] <dholbach> Hobbsee: no
[04:19] <dholbach> Hobbsee: only if a package is in universe or multiverse already
[04:19] <Hobbsee> oh right
[04:19] <\sh> ScottK, how can I help you?
[04:20] <ScottK> I noticed you said you used to work for Red Hat the other day.
[04:20] <\sh> ScottK, yep
[04:20] <ScottK> I work on another open source project where I'm the Postfix/Debian guy.
[04:21] <ScottK> Our Sendmail/RPM guy is unfamiliar with how you get packages updated in Fedora.
[04:21] <StevenK> ScottK: It's much harder than Ubuntu
[04:22] <StevenK> And Fedora is maintained entirely in CVS. Crazy.
[04:22] <ScottK> I was wondering if you were 1.  Up on that process and 2.  Willing to show someone how to navigate the waters (he knows RPM Packaging).
[04:22] <ScottK> The guy is pretty good with CVS too, so that'll work.
[04:22] <\sh> ScottK, in 2001 there  were no fedora...and right now I don't even know the process...but you could ask on #fedora ;)
[04:23] <ScottK> \sh: OK.  Thanks.
[04:23] <ScottK> I didn't know how long ago it was.
[04:24] <zul> ScottK: gentoo uses cvs as well
[04:25] <StevenK> ScottK: They don't hand out CVS access without you being vouched for. The process is a bit interesting.
[04:25] <StevenK> I'm working from memory, and it's a little hazy
[04:25] <ScottK> OK.
[04:25] <StevenK> I can STFW, if you wish
[04:25] <ScottK> I could do that too.
[04:25] <ScottK> Thanks though.
[04:26] <StevenK> Mind going through it when you see it?
[04:26] <StevenK> It's long and arduous, if I recall correctly
[04:27] <ScottK> You say that and are a DD, so I'm scared.
[04:27] <Seveas> ScottK, lol
[04:27] <ScottK> If I find something good, I'll point it out to you.
[04:27] <StevenK> ScottK: Contributing to Debian is simple, so is Ubuntu. Contributing to Fedora is *hard*
[04:28] <zul> uh depends on what you want to contribute to ubuntu ;)
[04:28] <\sh> ScottK, ping spot on #fedora...he is a long standing redhat employee...I wonder if he can help you
[04:28] <ScottK> \sh: Thanks.
[04:29] <StevenK> zul: Well, if you're okay if debian packaging, u-u-s makes uploading to Ubuntu simple
[04:29] <zul> im talking other than packaging though ;)
[04:30] <\sh> they had a meeting here in karlsruhe, at astaro...and were drinking in the same pub...
[04:32] <norsetto> soren: about bug 139381, I can see you will have no career in marketing :-)
[04:32] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139381 in gimmie "Please change package description" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139381
[04:33] <soren> norsetto: I sincerely hope you're right :)
[04:34] <DktrKranz> superm1, around?
[04:34] <superm1_> well he's not, but his ghost superm1_ is :)
[04:35] <superm1_> what's up?
[04:35] <DktrKranz> hehe
[04:35] <DktrKranz> it concerns https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/SRU
[04:35] <DktrKranz> pitti clarified that XSBC-Original-Maintainer should be set only for Feisty and newer
[04:36] <superm1_> yes i've heard that as well too
[04:36] <DktrKranz> is it worth to add this to MOTU/SRU?
[04:36] <superm1_> well likely no: changes like that wouldn't be going into an SRU, the idea for the SRU is minimal changes
[04:36] <superm1_> to packaging and application
[04:37] <superm1_> but perhaps something explaining that minimal changes should be done would be worthwhile
[04:38] <DktrKranz> it is required in latest releases, so I think it can be included into "minimal changes" category
[04:38] <huats> Does anybody can have a look at the debdiff of the bug #138167 ? before I susbscribe u-u-s ...
[04:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138167 in gmail-notify "gmail-notify menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138167
[04:39] <superm1_> DktrKranz, well but you normally shouldn't be modifying the maintainer on older stuff
[04:39] <superm1_> but i see your point
[04:40] <superm1_> i'll add some information regarding it
[04:40] <DktrKranz> another question: should Examples session be integrated with some fixed bugs?
[04:40] <bddebian> Heya gang
[04:40] <DktrKranz> we have only one ATM concerning old procedure
[04:41] <superm1_> yes i think it should.
[04:41] <superm1_> ideally i wanted to do one that starts after the new process has been clarified
[04:42] <superm1_> because i know the sru(s) that i've done have been a messy process and what pre-empted the clarifications
[04:42] <DktrKranz> good point
[04:42] <superm1_> there was one just filed i read on the motu mailing list
[04:43] <ScottK> For dapper/edgy to toolchain is untested with the maintainer mangled, so one must not mangle the maintainer.
[04:43] <superm1_> so perhaps tracking how that turns out it will turn into a good example
[04:43] <DktrKranz> IIRC, there's only one point remaining: avoiding collisions with security updates
[04:43] <ScottK> for Feisty and later it's appropriate for an SRU.
[04:43] <norsetto> bddbian: Heya gangster
[04:43] <ScottK> DktrKranz: Did you see the example of that I gave on IRC just after the MOTU meeting?
[04:44] <superm1_> DktrKranz, yea i have to add that yet
[04:44] <DktrKranz> ScottK: no sorry, it was 4 here, I went to sleep :)
[04:44] <norsetto> DktrKranz: wimpy ......
[04:44] <DktrKranz> I'll get the log, where did you posted that?
[04:45] <superm1> ubuntulog may have gotten that
[04:45] <superm1> !logs | DktrKranz
[04:45] <ubotu> DktrKranz: Channel logs can be found at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/irclogs
[04:45] <ScottK> It was here.
[04:45] <ScottK> IIRC it was lighttpd.
[04:45] <DktrKranz> ok, I'm going to find it...
[04:45] <DktrKranz> hey norsetto, how about lpia chroot?
[04:46] <norsetto> DktrKranz: works a wonder, thanks :-)
[04:46] <DktrKranz> which URI did you use?
[04:46] <norsetto> DktrKranz: the one you gave me, ports
[04:46] <DktrKranz> tonight I'm going to help a user fixing lpia ftbfs, I need it :)
[04:46] <DktrKranz> thanks
[04:47] <norsetto> DktrKranz: well, if you need mine just ask
[04:47] <DktrKranz> IIRC, it was just 10 minutes in downloading
[04:47] <DktrKranz> no problem, thanks anyway
[04:47] <DktrKranz> but if you were successful in creating ia64's...
[04:48] <norsetto> DktrKranz: not even thinking considering trying ....
[04:48] <DktrKranz> :)
[04:51] <huats> norsetto: hi
[04:51] <huats> norsetto: how are you ?
[04:52] <norsetto> huats: salut mon am
[04:52] <huats> norsetto: salut
[04:52] <norsetto> huats: pbuilding like a madman?
[04:52] <huats> norsetto: no...
[04:52] <norsetto> huats: ah
[04:53] <huats> norsetto: but I have a running gutsy righ now, which is a good thing for testing
[04:54] <norsetto> huats: btw, since you are in Toulouse, you are not involved in Aerobus or anything like that? Could be a good excuse to test flightgear...
[04:55] <huats> norsetto: In fact I am not working for airbus
[04:55] <huats> but something like 70% of my company are...
[04:55] <slavik> would building a kernel module from a source package be offtopic for this channel?
[04:56] <dholbach> PPA and Ubuntu Packaging 101 in #launchpad in 4 minutes
[04:57] <slavik> in any case, I have troubles building the kernel module for iscsitarget ... I get an error about the kernel headers
[04:57] <huats> norsetto: can you have a look at the bug #138167 ? I have put a debdiff in it, and I like someone to see it before subscribing u-u-s
[04:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138167 in gmail-notify "gmail-notify menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138167
[04:58] <huats> dholbach: thanks for being a living notifier :-)
[04:58] <dholbach> :-)
[05:01] <ScottK> Speaking of PPA, I got some feedback on my PPA terms of service bug that they're looking into changes, so maybe that'll change for the better.
[05:01] <norsetto> huats: you should remove the ~ppa from the changelog and perhaps the universe/ in control
[05:02] <norsetto> huats: and since you are already changing the .desktop file, make it freedesktop.org v1.0 compliant too
[05:03] <huats> regarding the universe thing, may be we can ask more in the ppa 101 right nwo, but I've been told by mrevell that this will be removed automaticly
[05:36] <slavik> I am trying to build a module that fails saying there is no usable kernel source
[05:38] <DktrKranz> slavik: could you please paste your error log in pastebin.ubuntu.com?
[05:47] <ScottK> cool. bug #139409 - miro bugs already.
[05:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139409 in miro "Cannot download movies using miro" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139409
[05:48] <Hobbsee> mmm...crack
[05:49] <gnomefreak> use something else ;)
[05:49] <zul> Hobbsee: fix it then ;)
[05:49] <StevenK> Whatcho talking about Willis? Miro has no bugs!
[05:49] <zul> that...is...so...old ;)
[05:49] <ScottK> It's got at least one ^^^
[05:50] <gnomefreak> bug sthat old are features
[05:50] <slavik> DktrKranz: sure
[05:50] <gnomefreak> although that doesnt seem that old
[05:51] <LaserJock> dholbach: ping
[05:51] <slavik> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/169/
[05:52] <bluefoxicy> crud.
[05:52] <slavik> the headers are isntalled, but the sources are for dapper I think ...
[05:52] <dholbach> LaserJock: pong
[05:52] <LaserJock> dholbach: I can't find my pbuilder-dist scrip in ubuntu-dev-tools
[05:53] <dholbach> LaserJock: which version of it do you have installeD?
[05:53] <dholbach> it should be
[05:53] <slavik> DktrKranz: I pasted (a bit above)
[05:53] <LaserJock> I'm looking at bzr
[05:53] <dholbach> LaserJock: I'm on top of trunk and still have it in ./
[05:54] <DktrKranz> slavik: did you try to follow the suggestion given? apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.20-16-generic
[05:54] <DktrKranz> do you get the same results?
[05:54] <slavik> they are isntalled ...
[05:54] <LaserJock> dholbach: grr, I'll rebranch and see if that does it
[05:55] <slavik> and latest version
[05:55] <DktrKranz> open a console, cd /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/build and launch sudo make scripts/
[05:55] <slavik> reinstall?
[05:55] <DktrKranz> let's see what happens
[05:56] <DktrKranz> probably you'll have to launch sudo make oldconfig first...
[05:56] <slavik> no errors
[05:56] <LaserJock> dholbach: ok, got it now, shouldn't a bzr pull do that?
[05:56] <slavik> it's building :)
[05:56] <slavik> what exactly happened here?
[05:56] <dholbach> LaserJock: yeah, it's what I use all the time
[05:57] <LaserJock> dholbach: :(, I was missing a lot of stuff
[05:57] <dholbach> weird
[05:57] <dholbach> maybe you were on the wrong branch?
[05:57] <dholbach> maybe an old one?
[05:57] <DktrKranz> slavik: sometimes some headers and files are required to build a kernel module
[05:57] <DktrKranz> that command creates them
[05:57] <slavik> gotcha ...
[05:57] <DktrKranz> enjoy :)
[05:58] <slavik> hmm, appears to be a problem with their code
[05:58] <slavik> FATAL: Error inserting iscsi_trgt (/lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/kernel/drivers/iscsi/iscsi_trgt.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg)
[05:58] <DktrKranz> look at dmesg command output
[05:58] <DktrKranz> and paste it as above
[05:58] <slavik> I have a later version of the code (0.4.15, the one trying to get to work is 0.4.13 but it depends on stuff that isn't upto date in feisty
[05:59] <LaserJock> dholbach: I took the same url (got it from the output of bzr pull) rm -rf the dir and rebranched
[05:59] <dholbach> weird
[05:59] <dholbach> I didn't have that
[05:59] <slavik> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/170/
[05:59] <slavik> guess it didn't link up properly
[06:00] <DktrKranz> it seems it misses a couple of modules
[06:00] <DktrKranz> modprobe should resolve them
[06:01] <DktrKranz> but you need to push that module in /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/misc and launching depmod
[06:03] <slavik> nope
[06:04] <dholbach> see you tomorrow guys!
[06:04] <DktrKranz> slavik: probably it is required for some modules to be compiled
[06:04] <LaserJock> dholbach: gone already? :-)
[06:04] <dholbach> yeah :-)
[06:05] <dholbach> need to look after my ill girlfriend :)
[06:05] <DktrKranz> I haven't kernel source here, I need to check which one are required
[06:05] <slavik> the crypto ones I assume
[06:05] <LaserJock> dholbach: my wife is sick, I sympathize
[06:05] <dholbach> yeah - people are coughing all over the place
[06:05] <dholbach> see you tomorrow
[06:05] <DktrKranz> yes, and someting related to fs
[06:07] <huats> I have a problem wit my pbuilder
[06:08] <huats> I cannot tell him to add anything more than main...
[06:09] <huats> I've tried to add that to my .pbuilderrc file in the COMPONENTS but nothing changed
[06:09] <huats> does anybody can help me ?
[06:11] <DktrKranz> huats: did you used --override-config?
[06:11] <DktrKranz> *use
[06:12] <huats> nope
[06:12] <huats> that was the thing !
[06:12] <huats> I completly forgot about that..
[06:12] <DktrKranz> try to update the existing one specifying that option
[06:14] <huats> DktrKranz: I am currently doing that...
[06:15] <DktrKranz> cross your fingers, then :)
[06:18] <proppy> oy
[06:20] <siretart> dammit, the ppa 101 is already running for hours :/
[06:20] <Hobbsee> an hour and 20 mins
[06:22] <bddebian> Gawd illuminators configure check for petsc is just plain hosed
[06:22] <proppy> siretart: where does the ppa 101 takes place ?
[06:23] <DktrKranz> proppy: #launchpad
[06:24] <geser> and is already over
[06:24] <proppy> DktrKranz: thanks
[06:30] <LaserJock> siretart: it'll all be on the irc logs and  wiki
[06:31] <siretart> sure
[06:32] <LaserJock> siretart: got a minute to discuss the packaging guide
[06:32] <LaserJock> ?
[06:33] <siretart> LaserJock: whats up
[06:33] <siretart> ?
[06:33] <LaserJock> well, I'm wondering if you disliked the idea of doing it on the wiki
[06:34] <StevenK> Personally, I like the idea of it on the wiki
[06:34] <siretart> LaserJock: honestly, I dont
[06:34] <siretart> like wikis too much
[06:35] <siretart> wikis are great for collecting opinions and gathering ideas for quick collaboration
[06:35] <siretart> we are talking here about a document, which needs to be revised by developers, who know whats how things are going
[06:36] <LaserJock> yes
[06:36] <LaserJock> but I've never really gotten any help from developers
[06:36] <siretart> so I think reviews of contributions are cruical. I don't see how a wiki helps with reviews
[06:36] <LaserJock> heck, mdz didn't even know it *existed* for over a year
[06:36] <siretart> LaserJock: as said, I wasn't even aware that we had in in a package like it is
[06:36] <siretart> right
[06:37] <siretart> I think one of the main problems was that it is managed in a svn on the ubuntu-doc team's server
[06:37] <bluekuja> heya LaserJock
[06:37] <bluekuja> siretart, StevenK :)
[06:37] <siretart> I've therefore suggested to extract it to an own sourcepackage and place the master branch in a ubuntu-dev's team branch
[06:38] <siretart> well, I don't feel like repeating my email on irc
[06:38] <siretart> too strong, at leat
[06:38] <bluekuja> LaserJock, I don't like a lot the idea of putting it on the wiki, sorry for not yet sending a mail
[06:38] <bluekuja> :)
[06:39] <bluekuja> siretart, adding it on a team branch would be nice too
[06:58] <LaserJock> hmm
[06:58] <LaserJock> I'm just not sure that moving it around is going to help get people to write
[06:59] <LaserJock> if people don't want to do docbook or write in a book form then it's not really gonna work
[07:02] <siretart> LaserJock: please consider all 3 of my points
[07:05] <bluekuja> siretart, can you please update my account on REVU?
[07:07] <bluekuja> siretart, I get a No REVU account for bluekuja@ubuntu.com exists yet.
[07:07] <bluekuja> strange thing
[07:07] <bluekuja> it was registered with that mail
[07:08] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, thanks
[07:08] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: what account were you using for REVU before?
[07:08] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, bluekuja@ubuntu.com
[07:08] <bluekuja> ^^
[07:08] <Hobbsee> did you upload anything since REVU went down?
[07:08] <bluekuja> nope :/
[07:09] <Hobbsee> that's why, then.
[07:09] <bluekuja> that's why
[07:09] <bluekuja> yup
[07:09] <bluekuja> can you do it manually?
[07:09] <Hobbsee> no, it seems to break.  it'll let me set a password, but i twont actually store it or something
[07:09] <Hobbsee> just upload something, then you can practice archiving.
[07:10] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, ok
[07:10] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, gonna ping you when done
[07:13] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, uploaded
[07:13] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, you should see it on incoming
[07:13] <Hobbsee> cterm?
[07:13] <bluekuja> ximp3
[07:14] <bluekuja> :)
[07:15] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: OK, you should be able to recover your p/w
[07:15] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, thanks
[07:15] <bluekuja> let me see
[07:16] <Hobbsee> having access to here is useful
[07:16] <Hobbsee> although it does make me want a large lightning bolt for people who *continue* to upload binaries to REVU
[07:16] <bluekuja> Hobbsee, another revu-key instance is already running
[07:16] <bluekuja> so cannot get pwd back
[07:16] <Hobbsee> bluekuja: wha?
[07:17] <bluekuja> another revu-key instance is already running
[07:17] <bluekuja> check /tmp/revu-key.pid and PID 23939
[07:17] <bluekuja> is what I get
[07:17] <Hobbsee> oh, hm
[07:19] <Hobbsee> siretart: can you have a look at that?  it hasnt killed /tmp/revu-key.pid, but the process no longer exists
[07:27] <victor__> Hobbsee: could you sync it(or whatever needs to be done) for victor@pseudocode.se as well? (uploaded cterm)
[07:27] <Hobbsee> victor__: no, sorry.  been investigating that.  i have no root over the machine, so we'll all have to wait for siretart
[07:28] <victor__> okay, thanks anyway :)
[07:29] <Hobbsee> siretart: FYI, revu1 group doesnt have access to pbuilder, either.
[07:32] <LaserJock> bluekuja: why don't you like the idea of the packaging guide on the wiki?
[07:34] <highvolt1ge> moo
[07:37] <highvolt1ge> moooooooooooooooooo
[07:44] <bluekuja> LaserJock, mostly for the view
[07:45] <bluekuja> it was better organized on docbook
[07:46] <Hobbsee> siretart: there you go, my first change to REVU.
[07:47] <bluekuja> ScottK, gonna upload soon sunbird-locales. Was working on it with asac
[07:49] <Hobbsee> siretart: i dont think it fully fixes the bug - i think youv'e still got permission problems...but it's a start :
[07:49] <Hobbsee> * :)
[07:49] <LaserJock> bluekuja: so basically wiki doesn't look as good?
[07:49] <bluekuja> LaserJock, yeah
[07:49] <bluekuja> LaserJock, it will be open to everyone?
[07:50] <bluekuja> or only someone will be granted to modify it?
[07:56] <LaserJock> everyone
[07:56] <LaserJock> it would be wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide
[07:57] <norsetto> scottK: what is required by motu-uvf for a new package to be synced from Debian?
[07:57] <bluekuja> LaserJock, do you think is ok to gave access to everyone?
[07:57] <bluekuja> to a page like that?
[07:58] <LaserJock> we give that access for all our policy pages
[07:58] <LaserJock> even Main policy pages
[07:58] <bluekuja> ok then
[07:58] <bluekuja> LaserJock, branch idea was nice too
[07:59] <LaserJock> why?
[07:59] <LaserJock> I'm not quite sure why going from bzr->svn and ~ubuntu-doc to ~ubuntu-dev is going to suddenly make everything better
[08:00] <bluekuja> LaserJock, yeah, that's true too
[08:00] <bluekuja> moving it to bzr it just changing a small particular
[08:00] <bluekuja> not the organisation itself
[08:02] <bluekuja> LaserJock, I'll think about it
[08:07] <LaserJock> I'm not saying I'm against the idea really, I hadn't thought of that
[08:07] <LaserJock> but I'm not sure exactly if that'd solve the problem
[08:07] <bluekuja> yeah
[08:07] <bluekuja> same here
[08:07] <LaserJock> the packaging guide is the only Ubuntu developer documentation that's *not* on the wiki
[08:08] <bluekuja> yup
[08:31] <siretart> woah, so many hilights
[08:31] <siretart> where to start?
[08:31] <bddebian> heh
[08:33] <siretart> dammit, where has hobbsee gone?
[08:35] <bluekuja> siretart, she gone to sleep
[08:35] <bluekuja> * Hobbsee looks at the time
[08:35] <bluekuja> * Hobbsee --> bed.
[08:36] <siretart> hm. I see
[08:36] <proppy> hi
[08:36] <siretart> bluekuja: do you have an account now?
[08:36] <bluekuja> siretart, yup, I found out a problem
[08:36] <bluekuja> and reported to her
[08:36] <mdomsch> is there a way to keep a file installed under /etc from being considered a confffile  automatically?
[08:37] <mdomsch> e.g. /etc/kernel/{prerm,postinst}.d/*
[08:37] <bluekuja> another revu-key instance is already running
[08:37] <bluekuja> check /tmp/revu-key.pid and PID 23939
[08:37] <bluekuja> was the problem, siretart
[08:37] <mdomsch> isn't really a conffile, it's a hook
[08:38] <zul> mdomsch: you might want to try #-devel
[08:38] <mdomsch> zul, will do thanks
[08:38] <bddebian> StevenK: You aboot?
[08:41] <bddebian> Hmm, should we remove ieee80211 from Ubuntu?
[08:41] <proppy> could someone (ScottK?) take  a look at bug #138836 and bug #137573, and tell me what I need to do for these changes to show up in gutsy ?
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138836 in poker-network "poker-network mysql installation issue" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138836
[08:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137573 in poker-network "poker2d crash (SIGSEGV) at startup" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137573
[09:09] <geser> bddebian: given that TZ="Australia/Sydney" date results in 5 am he should be still sleeping
[09:09] <bddebian> pfft, sleeping is now allowed :-)
[10:52] <huats_> Hi
[10:53] <huats_> I am fixing a bug on a .desktop file. So I decide to pass it through desktop-file-validate...
[10:54] <bluekuja> huats, hi
[10:54] <huats_> te thing is that i complains about an Application category not defined. Actualy it has : "Application"
[10:54] <huats_> and Network
[10:54] <bluekuja> Application category is deprecated
[10:54] <bluekuja> so delete
[10:54] <huats_> that was my idea...
[10:55] <bluekuja> what does validate says?
[10:55] <huats_> but I'd rather have a confirmation
[10:55] <bluekuja> (I hope you're using gutsy desktop-utils(
[10:55] <bluekuja> *)
[10:55] <huats_> that Network alone is fine
[10:56] <huats_> I am using the feisty version
[10:56] <huats_> to validate
[10:56] <bluekuja> huats, bad :)
[10:56] <bluekuja> get gutsy one
[10:56] <bluekuja> and try again
[10:56] <bluekuja> and provide me the output
[10:56] <huats_> ok I will right now...
[10:57] <huats_> just let the time to my vmware server to start
[10:57] <huats_> :)
[10:57] <bluekuja> ok
[10:57] <bluekuja> :)
[11:00] <huats_> bluekuja: after the various modification I did there is no ouput
[11:00] <huats_> so it is good right ?
[11:01] <bluekuja> huats, if desktop-file-validate doesnt complain
[11:01] <bluekuja> it's ok
[11:01] <bluekuja> :)
[11:01] <huats_> ok thanks
[11:01] <bluekuja> huats, btw what did you modify?
[11:01] <huats_> Suppression of Encoding
[11:01] <Paddy_EIRE> are there any plans to put superswitcher in the repos http://code.google.com/p/superswitcher/
[11:01] <huats_> Removal of the .png on the icon
[11:02] <huats_> the Category
[11:02] <huats_> and the tooltip so that it is HIG Gnome compliant now (that was the bug)
[11:03] <bluekuja> huats, bug number?
[11:03] <huats_> #138167
[11:04] <bluekuja> Launchpad Bug #138167
[11:04] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138167 in gmail-notify "gmail-notify menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Low,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138167
[11:05] <ajmitch> Paddy_EIRE: only if someone is interested in packaging it, and only for hardy, not gutsy
[11:06] <bluekuja> huats, mmm
[11:06] <bluekuja> it was already uploaded?
[11:06] <huats_> no
[11:06] <bluekuja> huats, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gmail-notify/+bug/138167/comments/2
[11:06] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138167 in gmail-notify "gmail-notify menu item tooltip is not HIG compliant" [Low,In progress] 
[11:06] <huats_> but I already provided a ppa...
[11:06] <huats_> that was it seems uploaded...
[11:07] <bluekuja> huats, I see that
[11:07] <bluekuja> and some hours later
[11:07] <bluekuja> your debdiff
[11:07] <bluekuja> :D
[11:07] <huats_> yep
[11:07] <bluekuja> why?
[11:08] <huats_> why ? because I've been told that it is easier ... to provide the debdiff
[11:08] <ScottK> proppy: Are ubuntu-universe-sponsors subscribed to the bugs?
[11:08] <bluekuja> huats, the debdiff is ok
[11:08] <bluekuja> huats, I just want to know why I see comment 2
[11:08] <bluekuja> when you add LP: #BUG
[11:09] <Adri2000> bluekuja: probably a soyuz bug
[11:09] <bluekuja> Adri2000, yeah, I guess so
[11:09] <Adri2000> it shouldn't close the bug report when uploaded to a ppa
[11:09] <bluekuja> yeah
[11:09] <bluekuja> he pushed to ppa and closed it
[11:09] <bluekuja> not nice thing
[11:09] <bluekuja> it may confuse ppl
[11:09] <huats_>  bug #137767
[11:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137767 in soyuz "Launchpad-Bugs-Fixed in PPA uploads closes Ubuntu bugs" [High,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137767
[11:10] <huats_> bluekuja:  that was the reason
[11:10] <huats_> :)
[11:10] <bluekuja> yep^^
[11:10] <bluekuja> thanks for reporting it
[11:10] <bluekuja> to me
[11:10] <huats_> :)
[11:10] <bluekuja> huats_, assign it to me
[11:11] <bluekuja> gonna review, test and eventually upload tomorrow
[11:11] <huats_> which one ?
[11:11] <bluekuja> huats_, the bug you told me about (gmail one)
[11:11] <huats_> ok
[11:11] <Adri2000> huats_: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9270455/gmail-notify_1.6.1-3ubuntu2.debdiff in this debdiff, the version is incorrect, and the Section shouldn't be changed
[11:12] <huats_> let me upload a corrected debdiff
[11:12] <bluekuja> huats_, fix what Adri2000 said
[11:12] <bluekuja> and I'll check fixed tomorrow
[11:12] <bluekuja> I'm leaving soon
[11:12] <huats_> bluekuja: ok
[11:12] <bluekuja> huats_, just remove ppa
[11:12] <bluekuja> et all
[11:12] <norsetto> huats: for bug 133600, if you are happy with it, mark it confirmed, assign it to nobody, and subscribe u-u-s; note that section is still universe/games
[11:12] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 133600 in flightgear "There is no icon in xubuntu menu" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/133600
[11:13] <huats_> bluekuja: I will
[11:13] <bluekuja> huats_, thanks, assign to me
[11:13] <huats_> norsetto: hey
[11:13] <bluekuja> and remember to subscribe u-u-s
[11:13] <norsetto> huats: :-)
[11:13] <Eren> hello folks
[11:13] <bluekuja> if you need sponsorship
[11:13] <bluekuja> Eren, hi
[11:14] <Eren> I'm looking for previous release of udev package, change log says "add support for mmc card" but doesn't say what patch does it
[11:14] <bluekuja> huats_, I see something bad on the .desktop too
[11:14] <Eren> eh, I will download previous diff.gz and last diff.gz, then compare it to see patch :)
[11:14] <bluekuja> it's not following the policy
[11:14] <bluekuja>  Encoding=UTF-8 for example
[11:14] <bluekuja> is deprecated
[11:15] <bluekuja> I told you about before
[11:15] <Eren> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/u/udev/udev_113-0ubuntu8/changelog
[11:15] <huats_> bluekuja: I already removed that
[11:15] <bluekuja> huats_, in fixed one?
[11:15] <huats_> bluekuja: no, in the one I am about to publish
[11:15] <bluekuja> kk
[11:16] <xtknight> Eren, you tried d/l the source and looking in its patches folder?
[11:16] <xtknight> it might be the patch with the latest date on it, or highest number.  or it might be something matching that description
[11:17] <Eren> xtknight: yep, I downloaded *.diff.gz
[11:17] <huats_> bluekuja: you want to be subscribed or assigned ?
[11:17] <xtknight> Eren, of -ubuntu7?
[11:17] <Eren> xtknight: ehh, all patches in patches/ folder have same number, 80
[11:17] <bluekuja> huats_, assigned of course
[11:17] <Eren> xtknight: yes, -ubuntu7
[11:17] <Eren> ehh no, ubuntu8, the last one
[11:17] <evand> can someone mark me as a reviewer in REVU
[11:17] <xtknight> Eren, ya sometimes that happens.  seemingly random
[11:17] <xtknight> Eren, ubuntu8.diff.gz would be a diff from the original version of udev so it won't tell you only what has changed from ubuntu7 to 8, but ubuntu0 to 8
[11:18] <bluekuja> evand, you need hobbsee, ajmitch or siretart
[11:18] <Eren> now I'm trying to get previous diff.gz (ubuntu7) and I'll compare with ubuntu8.diff.gz then see what patches have been added in last diff
[11:18] <evand> sleeping, probably sleeping, and no idea
[11:18] <evand> argh
[11:18] <bluekuja> evand, :)
[11:18] <evand> thanks bluekuja
[11:18] <Eren> xtknight: hmm..
[11:18] <xtknight> Eren, ya that would work if u can find ubuntu7
[11:18] <bluekuja> evand, np :)
[11:18] <huats_> bluekuja: sorry to ask but what is the aim of assigning it to you ?
[11:19] <huats_> bluekuja: just to understand the process...
[11:19] <Eren> xtknight: yeah, the problem is it, I can't find it, all mirrors have been updated and ubuntu7 have been deleted
[11:19] <bluekuja> huats_, I remember I have to review and sponsor that package
[11:19] <bluekuja> if not, I'll forget
[11:19] <bluekuja> :)
[11:19] <Eren> or, the better way is contacting with udev developer :P
[11:19] <Eren> s/developer/package maintainer/
[11:19] <xtknight> Eren, end goal ?
[11:19] <huats_> bluekuja: ok
[11:19] <xtknight> bug fixing?
[11:20] <Eren> xtknight: adding support for mmc stick for my distro
[11:20] <huats_> bluekuja: thanks
[11:20] <bluekuja> huats_, assigning means "hey, I'm working on this"
[11:20] <bluekuja> so other MOTUs doesnt duplicate the work
[11:20] <bluekuja> and move to other packages
[11:20] <bluekuja> :)
[11:20] <Eren> xtknight: I have patched hal for it with ubuntu patch, now udev needs patching
[11:20] <norsetto> huats: and so you can kick his ass if he is not working on it ;-)
[11:20] <bluekuja> huats_, generally subscribe u-u-s
[11:21] <bluekuja> norsetto, yeah, that's it
[11:21] <bluekuja> :)
[11:22] <bluekuja> huats_, just publish new debdiff and wait tomorrow
[11:22] <bluekuja> ;)
[11:22] <norsetto> scottk: do you think it would help to attach some info to Bug 95651? I've got the buildlog for instance.
[11:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 95651 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  Bless" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/95651
[11:23] <ScottK> norsetto: I was just looking at this.  What it really needs is a good reason why it should be in Gutsy and can't wait for Hardy.
[11:24] <bluekuja> ScottK, about sunbird-locales
[11:24] <ScottK> Yes
[11:24] <bluekuja> gonna work on them with asac and upload them as soon as I can
[11:24] <ajmitch> evand: what do you need?
[11:24] <bluekuja> I've seen your approvation
[11:24] <bluekuja> so gonna move to it
[11:24] <bluekuja> :)
[11:24] <norsetto> scottK: becuase I've been working on this in June and I was waiting for the bloody DD to do his little bit?
[11:25] <bluekuja> ajmitch, he was asking
[11:25] <bluekuja> to get his account set to Reviewer
[11:25] <bluekuja> on REVU
[11:25] <ScottK> norsetto: That's why you want it and that makes total sense.
[11:25] <norsetto> scottK: but seriously, I don't see any reason why ubuntu can't wait (hard to say, makes my heart bleed :-))
[11:25] <bluekuja> :)
[11:25] <ScottK> The question though is why do we take archive admin time for it right now when pitti and others have lots of stuff to due.
[11:26] <ScottK> norsetto: I think, painful though it may be personally, that that's the right answer.
[11:27] <norsetto> ah! life is full of painful decisions ....
[11:28] <norsetto> scottK; just unsubscribe motu-uvf. Should I subscribe u-u-s with the proviso that this can wait for hardy?
[11:30] <bluekuja> good night to everyone
[11:30] <norsetto> bluekuja bed!?
[11:30] <bluekuja> huats_, good work :)
[11:30] <huats_> Adri2000: I've changed the Section to be build on ppa...
[11:30] <huats_> bluekuja: thanks
[11:30] <bluekuja> norsetto, yeah
[11:30] <bluekuja> quite tired today
[11:30] <norsetto> ah, the young of today.....
[11:30] <bluekuja> haha
[11:30] <bluekuja> :)
[11:30] <huats_> bluekuja: sleep well
[11:30] <tezem> when I try to build my package in my gutsy pbuilder env. the package gdc-4.1 is not found and I don't understand why. Can somebody help me with this dep?
[11:30] <bluekuja> norsetto, that was nice
[11:30] <bluekuja> :P
[11:31] <Adri2000> huats_: I know, but that shouldn't be changed for an upload to the official archive
[11:31] <bluekuja> huats_, ty
[11:31] <jrib> tezem: gdc-4.1 doesn't seem to exist in gutsy?
[11:31] <xtknight> gcc-4.1?
[11:31] <pwnguin> tezem: you didnt include universe
[11:31] <pwnguin> it's there
[11:31] <jrib> ah, it does... the bot must be outdated
[11:31] <xtknight> gdc-4.1 does actually..D compiler hmm
[11:31] <pwnguin> ive got the packages already built
[11:31] <pwnguin> titanion, gunroar
[11:31] <jrib> ignore me
[11:32] <tezem> pwnguin: how do I do this?
[11:32] <pwnguin> tezem: i forget =(
[11:32] <geser> !info gdc-4.1 gutsy
[11:32] <ubotu> gdc-4.1: The D compiler. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.24-4.1.2-16 (gutsy), package size 3232 kB, installed size 8916 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 powerpc ppc64 lpia)
[11:32] <xtknight> apt-get install gdc-4.1?
[11:32] <pwnguin> xtknight: pbuilder
[11:32] <jrib> tezem: edit /etc/pbuilderrc , comments should be straightforward
[11:32] <geser> tezem: have you universe enabled in your pbuilder?
[11:32] <ScottK> norsetto: For hardy it should get auto synced.  Just keep an eye on it to make sure when the time comes.  I'll just invalid the bug.
[11:32] <arthur-> tezem: ping
[11:33] <norsetto> ScottK: okki dokki
[11:33] <arthur-> hello ScottK
[11:33] <pwnguin> tezem: I've got a ppa set up with most of the kenta cho games built
[11:33] <ScottK> Hello
[11:33] <pwnguin> just borrowed from miriam
[11:33] <pwnguin> err
[11:33] <pwnguin> yea
[11:34] <pwnguin> tezem: the other thing is, you need to put the packages in universe if they have universe build-depends
[11:34] <tezem> pwnguin: not sure if i did this correctly, where do I have to set it?
[11:34] <pwnguin> tezem: in Section
[11:35] <tezem> pwnguin: and in which file?
[11:35] <pwnguin> tezem: just make sure it says like Section: univese/games
[11:35] <pwnguin> in control
[11:35] <pwnguin> debian/control
[11:35] <pwnguin> tezem: out of curiosity, what're ya building?
[11:35] <tezem> dsss
[11:35] <pwnguin> ah
[11:35] <pwnguin> havent got to that yet
[11:36] <arthur-> tezem: you'll find a dsss package here: http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/d/dsss/dsss_0.72.1-1.dsc
[11:36] <tezem> pwnguin: universe/devel should be right?
[11:37] <arthur-> http://bugs.debian.org/441426
[11:37] <pwnguin> sounds about right
[11:37] <tezem> arthur-: man :-$
[11:37] <arthur-> tezem: should be uploaded soon, what is the problem exactly with gdc-4.1 ?
[11:38] <tezem> arthur-: nothing just had problems in general with packaging but everything is clear now.
[11:38] <arthur-> ok
[11:38] <arthur-> have fun with D ;-)
[11:38] <pwnguin> arthur-: you handling gdc?
[11:38] <tezem> well I will continue to build my package even if there is a debian package
[11:38] <arthur-> pwnguin: yup, I'm the debian maintainer
[11:38] <tezem> or is that not allowed?
[11:39] <pwnguin> tezem: always good practice. dsss sounds like it'll put you through about everything
[11:39] <pwnguin> tezem: well, in a sense it's wasted effort, but from a learning perspective it's fine to make a package from scratch ;)
[11:40] <tezem> pwnguin: yeah and it's my first package
[11:40] <pwnguin> arthur-: neat. is there a solution to template forward referecnes in the works?
[11:42] <Baby> hi :)
[11:42] <tristanbob> Question:  I would like to create a simple package that does 3 things: 1. Install dependencies 2. Copy files to folder 3. Install icon in menu
[11:43] <tristanbob> ben: this is a java app, so no compiling is necessary
[11:43] <arthur-> Baby: \o/
[11:43] <tezem> No gdc is still not found
[11:43] <arthur-> tezem: sudo pbuilder update perhaps
[11:43] <arthur-> Baby: :)
[11:44] <Baby> i have some other 3 D games ready and 2 other in production :)
[11:44] <huats_> norsetto: I've put a new debdiff... with the correct section
[11:45] <huats_> norsetto: so I'll subscribe u-u-s
[11:45] <arthur-> we also have bindings... which must be packaged :-)
[11:45] <pwnguin> Baby: you're just tearing it up
[11:45] <norsetto> huats: cool
[11:46] <Baby> :)
[11:46] <pwnguin> Baby: ive been meaning to ask about the kenta cho packages. why quilt over dpatch?
[11:46] <huats_> norsetto: it is thanks to you....
[11:46] <Baby> pwnguin: I know quilt better than dpatch
[11:46] <norsetto> huats: wait for the fire of the u-u-s squad ;-)
[11:46] <pwnguin> ah. i dont really know either
[11:46] <pwnguin> dpatch seemed easier
[11:46] <Baby> and in any case, it's a coordinated decision of the games team
[11:47] <Baby> we decided to use quilt and debhelper for all the games
[11:47] <pwnguin> dpatch-edit, and you get a new shell to make changes in
[11:47] <pwnguin> when you're done, you get a patch
[11:47] <Baby> quilt edit :)
[11:47] <arthur-> :)
[11:47] <pwnguin> ah
[11:47] <Baby> just the same
[11:47] <pwnguin> i was wondering how the hell one made a diff like that
[11:48] <Baby> quilt is very easy :)
[11:48] <pwnguin> so was dpatch :)
[11:48] <Baby> http://www.coffeebreaks.org/blogs/wp-content/archives/talks/2005/quilt/quiltintro-s5.html
[11:48] <Baby> ;)
[11:49] <norsetto> huats: don't forget to send your fixes to debian
[11:51] <huats_> norsetto: I'll do that tomorrow
[11:52] <huats_> norsetto: but thanks for the reminder
[11:52] <huats_> good night everyone
[11:52] <norsetto> huats: a+
[11:53] <ScottK> Baby: Do you have a moment for a PM?
[11:53] <Baby> yep, of course
[11:54] <tezem> hmm I can't figure out how I can add the universe repo to my pbuilder because it seems that the script I use doesn't use the config in /etc/pbuilderrc for some reason. I uncommented the line with universe and so on.
[12:04] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: it was expected
[12:04] <ajmitch> Fujitsu: the tracker decision is worse, I think
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Oh, that sounds bad :(
[12:05] <Fujitsu> Why are we condemning Intel users to no useful video support?
[12:05] <ajmitch> because it's shiny
[12:08] <tezem> arthur-: what does this watch do in the dsss package? It points to the svn downloads.
[12:17] <Fujitsu> So the reason we have it is because we'll get bad press if we don't? That's... a bit odd.
[12:18] <ajmitch> because all the cool kids are doing it
[12:22] <Fujitsu> `I honestly don't think that the GL problems are a very big deal; 3D apps on Ubuntu are a tiny corner case'
[12:22] <Fujitsu> This is encouraging.
[12:26] <ajmitch> which is why I turned off compiz on my desktop
[12:26] <Fujitsu> I run it most of the time, but the CPU usage when playing videos is.. rather high.
[12:26] <Fujitsu> And no scaling, it seems.