[12:43] <leonel> wasabi:  yes  postfix
[12:44] <leonel> wasabi: all was working in dapper
[12:44] <leonel> then upgraded to edgy  checked the configuration  and  all works  but the  smtp auth
[12:44] <leonel> then installed a fresh  feisty    and the same error
[01:15] <nealmcb> leonel: have you compared the config files that relate to sasl?  can you show the full error log message?
[01:17] <nealmcb> so the feisty install was not an upgrade?
[01:23] <nealmcb> leonel: this looks relevant - a chroot problem? : http://www.kloopy.com/344_Postfix__SASL2__unable_to_open_Berkeley_db
[01:51] <leonel> nealmcb: that's the error  but  I'm using  libsasl2-modules-sql   to access  postgresql and check for users there    it has nothing to do with the /etc/sasldb2 file
[01:52] <leonel> nealmcb: worked  fine in dapper   now  this error  on feisty
[01:55] <ScottK> leonel: I'm guessing your Postfix is chrooted.  Copy /etc/sasldb2 into the chroot.
[01:56] <ScottK> leonel: OK.  First I'd make sure you are unchrooted in Postfix and see if the error persists.
[02:26] <leonel> ScottK:  unchrooted  and the same    but  I guess I don't need  sasldb2  since  I'm authenticating against  postgresql    in dapper works  fine    but I guess in feisty  something has changed
[05:02] <ScottK> leonel: I don't think Postfix has changed how it does Auth.
[06:47] <lamont> [Wed Sep 12 22:45:37 2007]  [error]  [client 192.34.35.18]  GROUP: lamont not in required group(s).
[06:47] <lamont> what do I have to tell apache et al to get past that?
[06:48] <lamont> (AuthType basic, ftw)
[06:51] <ajmitch> you have AuthGroupFile, and the user lamont listed in a group in there?
[06:51] <ajmitch> I presume you've got 'require group foo' somewhere
[06:51] <lamont> ajmitch: what group should he be in, and what does it check against?
[06:52] <ajmitch> I don't know, since I don't know what the access directives are (in .htaccess or otherwise)
[06:52] <ajmitch> we use 'require group admin', and the .htgroup file has 'admin: ajmitch'
[07:01] <lamont> 'twas a leftover module load... I wasn't trying to actually _use_ groups, you see.
[07:01] <lamont> so 'require group admin' would go in .htaccess?
[07:02] <ajmitch> yep, if you really feel like using it] 
[07:02] <ajmitch> but if it's already requiring you to be in a group, I guess you need to track down where that is set
[07:03] <lamont> module being loaded.  disabling the modules for group checking "fixed" it.
[07:03] <ajmitch> since it can so conveniently be anywhere
[07:03] <ajmitch> right :)
[07:15] <lamont> ajmitch: what I really want is a howto somewhere that'll tell me how to configure apache and windows to use basic auth in https and the 'publish this file to the web' "feature" in windoze XP pro
[07:15] <lamont> OTOH, I'm going to go to bed and ponder, I think
[03:18] <ScottK> lamont: I've been following the Stress-dependent server personality discussion on postfix-users.  This seems a relatively simple and useful patch.  I was wondering if you'd considered including it in the current Postfix package?
[04:07] <ScottK> soren: I think Bug #128262 ought to have an ack.
[04:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 128262 in ubuntu "[needs-packaging]  sqlite-ruby" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/128262
[04:07] <ScottK> soren: In related news the Debian courier maintainer finally shows signs of life.  Any thoughts on a courier uvfe?
[04:08] <soren> I've actually never used it.
[04:08] <ScottK> OK.
[04:08] <ScottK> For the ruby thing it was "last package required to get a standard set of Ruby on Rails application adapters installed on Ubuntu without requiring compilation." that got my attention.
[04:09] <soren> ScottK: Ack'ed.
[04:10] <ScottK> Cool.
[04:11] <soren> ScottK: Could you be pursuaded to poke the the archive admins about it?
[04:11] <soren> ScottK: I'm kind of tied up rigth now.
[04:11] <ScottK> I just asked dholbach to upload it again.
[04:12] <ScottK> Tomorrow is pitti's normal archive day, so I'll leave bugging him until then.
[04:22] <leonel> ScottK: Feisty postfix + sql auth  is working   something went  wrong obviously  yesterday  but today all working good ..
[04:22] <ScottK> leonel: Glad ot hear it.
[04:22] <ScottK> ot/to
[04:23] <leonel> postconf -e 'smtpd_sasl_path = /etc/postfix/sasl:/usr/lib/sasl2'    <-- this was the difference  .. now  it's gone
[04:23] <ScottK> Weird.
[04:48] <benj3one> Hi
[04:48] <benj3one> I am running ubuntu server (7.04)
[04:49] <ScottK> Hi.  What's up?
[04:49] <benj3one> And I think I have fubared my LAMP settup :-(
[04:49] <benj3one> I have apt-get remove -purged eveything once
[04:50] <benj3one> allready, but When I reinstall appache2
[04:50] <benj3one> etc/apache2/
[04:50] <benj3one> doesent have anyhting in it
[04:50] <benj3one> exept
[04:51] <benj3one> mods available folder
[04:51] <benj3one> Is there a way to get that stuff back!?
[04:51] <ScottK> Yes, but I'm not the best person to tell you how.
[04:51] <benj3one> ah, well it seems I found the problem last night
[04:52] <benj3one> I colocated my server
[04:52] <benj3one> and could ssh in so went back home (4 hours away)
[04:53] <benj3one> but then I couldent, and the tech at the datacenter said it must be somthing with the install uf ubuntu I did
[04:53] <benj3one> So I let him re-put it on there.
[04:53] <benj3one> it was essentialy empty anyway
[04:53] <benj3one> but he did not set up lamp...
[04:54] <benj3one> but I think he did set up apache
[04:54] <benj3one> I didnt realise this so I installed appache2 and the rest of the lamp stack :-(
[04:54] <benj3one> now I am trying to remove everything and start over here
[04:55] <benj3one> (Oh and later on he emailed me and the problem was on there end (old firewall setup on that switch)
[04:55] <benj3one> ...
[04:55] <mralphabet> benj3one: tasksel
[05:00] <benj3one> how do I use that?
[05:00] <benj3one> nm/ got it thanks
[05:06] <benj3one> so do I need to un-install lamp then use this
[05:06] <benj3one> because basicaly it does nothing
[05:14] <benj3one> basically "/etc/apache2/" no longer exists...
[05:15] <benj3one> but when I install apache2
[05:15] <benj3one> it doesent create it anywhere
[05:15] <benj3one> there is no directory "apache2"
[05:15] <benj3one> wtf
[05:15] <sommer> benj3one: when you uninstalled did you do a purge?
[05:15] <sommer> to purge do a dpkg -P apache2
[05:15] <sommer> then try reinstalling
[05:16] <sommer> that's my idea anyway.
[05:16] <benj3one> thanks
[05:16] <benj3one> I will give it a shot :-)
[05:32] <Kamping_Kaiser> why?
[05:33] <benj3one> I cannot get apache2 installed correctly
[05:33] <benj3one> and its a webserver
[05:33] <benj3one> thanks
[05:34] <sommer> benj3one: did the purge not help?
[05:34] <leonel> sudo apt-get install --reinstall  apache2 ??
[05:37] <benj3one> it says 1 reinstalled, 2 not upgraded
[05:38] <benj3one> all I know is I uninstalled apache2
[05:38] <benj3one> but then in /etc/ there was still an apche2 folder
[05:38] <benj3one> ...so I ah..
[05:38] <benj3one> deleted it :-(
[05:39] <benj3one> and now, even though it says its installing, no beans
[05:39] <benj3one> I dont see it anywhere
[05:39] <sommer> benj3one: just so I'm clear you have apache2 installed now?
[05:39] <benj3one> thats what it says
[05:39] <sommer> try manually creating /etc/apache2
[05:39] <benj3one> k
[05:39] <sommer> then doing a dpkg -P apache2
[05:39] <sommer> then reinstall apache2
[05:40] <benj3one> dpkg -P apache2
[05:40] <benj3one> got it
[05:40] <sommer> after you do the dpkg -P apache2 make sure that the /etc/apache2 dir is gone.
[05:40] <sommer> then try reinstalling
[05:41] <benj3one> ok its clean
[05:41] <benj3one> trying reinstall
[05:42] <benj3one> ok it is installed again
[05:42] <benj3one> but no apache folder on my system
[05:42] <sommer> no /etc/apache2?
[05:42] <benj3one> maybe its installed with one the extention packages
[05:42] <benj3one> no
[05:42] <benj3one> not at all
[05:43] <sommer> mmmm....what's the output of dpkg -l apache2?
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> moreimportantly , whats the outpult of `dpkg -L apache2` and `dpkg -L apache2-common`
[05:45] <benj3one> how do you copy out of puty :-P
[05:45] <benj3one> ok I will type it
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> select+right click
[05:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> or is that paste :S
[05:47] <sommer> I think if you just select text in putty it will be copied to the clipboard
[05:47] <benj3one> Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
[05:47] <sommer> but I don't have a window machine handy
[05:47] <benj3one> | Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
[05:47] <benj3one> Actualy I am running putty on wine in fedora
[05:48] <benj3one> (dont ask)
[05:48] <benj3one> :-P
[05:48] <sommer> heh...that is a little odd
[05:48] <benj3one> yah
[05:48] <sommer> I gueess I can try to recreate your situation
[05:48] <sommer> you installed apache2 then removed it
[05:48] <benj3one> yep
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, thats just sick
[05:49] <sommer> how was it removed?  apt-get remove apache2?
[05:49] <benj3one> then deleted /etc/apache2/
[05:49] <benj3one> yes apt-get remove apache2
[05:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, you sure it was installed from debs?
[05:49] <benj3one> actualy I am not
[05:49] <benj3one> now that you mentioned it
[05:50] <sommer> which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[05:51] <benj3one> the guy at the datacenter couldent get ssh working to my box and figured it was my setup, so I told him it was basicaly empty, and he could reinstall
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> 7.04
[05:51] <benj3one> pretty sure (thats what i told him to put on there)
[05:51] <sommer> okay I'll do some testing.
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> well look in /opt/ and /usr/local for random apapches
[05:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> imo its worth looking for such things :)
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> is there one running atm?
[05:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> if there is `ps aux |grep apache`
[05:52] <benj3one> k, checking
[05:53] <benj3one> it is 7.04
[05:53] <benj3one> btw
[05:54] <sommer> Yep I got the same results as benj3one
[05:55] <benj3one> :-(
[05:55] <benj3one> thanks for going through all that :-)
[05:55] <benj3one> I REALLY appreciate the help
[05:55] <benj3one> from all
[05:55] <sommer> np...stand by working on a solution.
[05:56] <benj3one> Kamping_Kaiser, I dont see anything anywhere else
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, :(
[05:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> i havent used 7.04 :(
[05:59] <benj3one> yah this bleeding edge stuff is just that.. in fact I am getting slaughtered. lol
[05:59] <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
[06:00] <Kamping_Kaiser> hang in there, sommer will arrive with your reinforcements :)
[06:00] <sommer> ok I think I've got a process:
[06:00] <benj3one> sweet
[06:00] <sommer> stop any running apache2 processes
[06:00] <sommer> ps aux | grep apache
[06:01] <sommer> mkdir -p /etc/apache2/sites-available
[06:01] <sommer> ^^ the /etc/apache2 dir can't be empty for some reason.
[06:01] <sommer> then find all apache2 programs by: dpkg -l | grep apache
[06:02] <sommer> then do a dpkg -P apache2 apache2-utils ... etc
[06:02] <sommer> make sure that is successful
[06:02] <benj3one> k
[06:02] <sommer> if it was do another dpkg -l | grep apache and you shouldn't see anyting listed
[06:02] <benj3one> doing all that now
[06:03] <sommer> once everyting is purged you should be able to apt-get install apache2 and have /etc/apache2 again
[06:03] <Kamping_Kaiser> you should see one hit - the grep entry
[06:03] <sommer> at least that worked for me
[06:04] <benj3one> how do I stop all the prcessess?
[06:04] <sommer> ps aux | grep apache
[06:04] <benj3one> ok did that
[06:04] <benj3one> when I
[06:04] <Kamping_Kaiser> killall <app name>
[06:04] <sommer> the second number is the process id number
[06:05] <sommer> or what killall  should be easier
[06:05] <sommer> but you can also kill process_number
[06:05] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, dont be afraid to pastebin your output - if it saves peopel guessing, its worth doing :)
[06:05] <benj3one> when I "dpkg -P apache2 apache2-utils"
[06:06] <benj3one> it says depndancy problems - not removed
[06:06] <sommer> does it list a package name?
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, try for `sudo apt-get --purge remove`
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> rather the `dpkg -r`
[06:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> oh, P
[06:10] <sommer> benj3one: any luck?
[06:10] <benj3one> http://rafb.net/p/7b71o395.html
[06:11] <sommer> if apache2 isn't installed reinstall it
[06:12] <benj3one> ok
[06:12] <benj3one> then run through that again?
[06:13] <sommer> then try the dpkg -P apache2 apache2-common apache2-mpm-prefork apache2-utils libapache2-mod-auth-mysql libapache2-mod-php5 libapache2-mod-python
[06:13] <sommer> yep
[06:13] <sommer> so apt-get install apache2
[06:13] <sommer> mkdir -P /etc/apache2/sites-available
[06:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, considdered using apt-get?
[06:13] <sommer> then the above dpkg -P command
[06:14] <benj3one> k
[06:15] <sommer> everything gone?
[06:15] <sommer> dpkg -l | grep apache
[06:17] <benj3one> http://paste2.org/p/7047
[06:17] <sommer> looks like the purge didn't work again...was there an error?
[06:19] <benj3one> http://paste2.org/p/7048
[06:20] <sommer> try apt-get install apache2-mpm-itk
[06:20] <sommer> then dpkg -l | grep apache
[06:21] <sommer> and try to dpkg -P ... the list again
[06:21] <benj3one> k
[06:22] <sommer> I think what's happening is one package is being removed, which then doesn't allow packages depending on it to be.
[06:22] <benj3one> ah
[06:22] <benj3one> http://dpaste.com/19488/
[06:24] <benj3one> Kamping_Kaiser?
[06:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> benj3one, `apt-get --purge remove ` instead of `dpkg -P`
[06:24] <sommer> mmm....he's probably right I used dpkg
[06:25] <benj3one> k done
[06:25] <sommer> what does dpkg -l | grep apache have?
[06:26] <benj3one> it no work
[06:26] <benj3one> but apt-get --purge remove grep apache
[06:26] <sommer> you should be ready to reinstall apache then.
[06:26] <benj3one> warns that I am about do somthing potentialy harmfull
[06:26] <benj3one> should I remove it?
[06:26] <benj3one> is it essential to my OS?
[06:27] <sommer> what package?
[06:27] <benj3one> grep apache
[06:27] <benj3one> it says
[06:27] <benj3one> You are about to do something potentially harmful.
[06:27] <benj3one> To continue type in the phrase 'Yes, do as I say!'
[06:28] <sommer> I think you'll be okay...does it list what's its going to do?
[06:28] <benj3one> http://dpaste.com/19490/
[06:28] <benj3one> thats it exactly
[06:29] <sommer> say no!
[06:29] <benj3one> K!!
[06:30] <sommer> I think you'll need to start back with apache installed
[06:30] <sommer> do a apt-get install apache
[06:31] <benj3one> WAIT OMFG!!!!
[06:31] <benj3one> httpd.conf is back!
[06:31] <benj3one> somthing worked
[06:31] <benj3one> !
[06:31] <sommer> what does dpkg -l | grep apache have?
[06:32] <benj3one> http://dpaste.com/19491/
[06:33] <sommer> you're probably good then...I'd apt-get isntall anything from that list that isn't ii
[06:33] <benj3one> sweet
[06:33] <benj3one> thanks guys!
[06:33] <benj3one> (lifesaver!)
[06:33] <sommer> then try starting apache and see how it goes
[06:33] <benj3one> how do I do that
[06:33] <benj3one> the normal
[06:33] <sommer> /etc/init.d/apache2 start
[06:40] <benj3one> can you paste the contents of your apache2.conf?
[06:47] <benj3one> nm/ got it
[06:47] <benj3one> :-P
[06:47] <benj3one> ls
[06:56] <benj3one> just so you guys know, I am all up and running now
[06:58] <sommer> benj3one: sweet...strong work
[07:00] <benj3one> you too..  thanks a mill
[07:04] <sommer> welcome
[07:04] <osmosis> any thoughts on lvm snapshots slowing down disk io?
[08:06] <leonel> For your information   a  little  produccion server  with  Feisty  was upgraded to gutsy  .. no problems  found
[08:19] <mathiaz> leonel: great !
[08:19] <mathiaz> leonel: how did you upgrade ? with apt-get or do-release-upgrade ?
[08:19] <leonel> dist upgrade
[08:20] <leonel> mathiaz: I've setup a feisty server  with config and data  from a production server
[08:21] <osmosis> how can I tell what package owns a file on the file system ?
[08:21] <leonel> mathiaz: and then  a dist upgrade  and all went  fine
[08:21] <mathiaz> leonel: what kind of software were you running on it ?
[08:25] <dantalizing> osmosis: dpkg -s filename should tell you, iirc
[08:25] <dantalizing> maybe caps S
[08:26] <dantalizing> dpkg -S | --search filename-search-pattern ...
[08:26] <dantalizing>                   Search for a filename from installed packages.
[08:27] <osmosis> dantalizing: hmm..its not working.
[08:29] <dantalizing> define "not working"... what file?
[08:34] <lamont> where do the ltsp guys hang out?
[08:43] <leonel> mathiaz:  bind  apache  squirrelmail dovecot  postgresql  postfix + smtp auth with postgresql
[08:46] <mathiaz> leonel: could it be possible to re-test the upgrade with do-release-upgrade instead of apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[08:47] <mathiaz> lamont: don't know about #channels, but ogra does.
[09:09] <leonel> mathiaz:  I can    I'll let you know
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: great. If you want to upgrade to the developpment version you need to use the -d switch when calling do-release-upgrade.
[09:09] <leonel> mathiaz:  thanks ... didn;t  know about  do-release-upgrade
[09:09] <leonel> mathiaz:  reinstalling  feisty   i'll let you know  the results
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: it's a command line that uses update-manager-core infrastructure.
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: it'S the same package that is used when upgrading a desktop
[09:09] <leonel> yes i've used  update-manager -c -d
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: that also means you need to have update-manager-core installed on feisty
[09:09] <leonel> but didn't know it was a server version
[09:09] <leonel> ok i will
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: well you can use the same system on a server.
[09:09] <mathiaz> leonel: it's actually just a command line script.
[09:14] <osmosis> what package owns  /usr/bin/man  ?
[09:32] <Styles> !info man-db
[09:32] <ubotu> man-db: The on-line manual pager. In component main, is standard. Version 2.4.3-5ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 597 kB, installed size 1660 kB
[09:33] <Styles> This package provides the man command, the primary way of examining the on-line help files (manual pages). Other utilities provided include the whatis and apropos commands
[09:33] <Styles>  for searching the manual page database, the manpath utility for determining the manual page search path, and the maintenance utilities mandb, catman and zsoelim. man-db
[09:33] <Styles>  uses the groff suite of programs to format and display the manual pages.
[09:33] <Styles> osmosis, ^^^
[09:33] <osmosis> ok
[09:45] <jhutchins> Is mailmain really the simplest list manager available for postfix?
[09:46] <lamont> jhutchins: list managers are orthogonal to MTA...
[09:46] <Linuturk> need help with RAID controller driver with a Ubuntu 7.04 installation. Dell PowerEdge 650
[09:46] <lamont> having said that, mailman is popular.  majordomo is simpler, and older (and therefore cruftier)
[09:46] <Linuturk> ie, which driver do I select if the installer doesn't auto detect?
[09:47] <jhutchins> lamont: They both seem huge overkill for <50 users.
[09:47] <lamont> manually managing the list aliases is also an option...
[09:47] <lamont> (that's the reason majordomo was written, of course...)
[10:03] <leonel> mathiaz: what version for update manager should be ?
[10:04] <mathiaz> leonel: the latest from feitsy-updates ?
[10:05] <mathiaz> leonel: if you do an apt-get install update-manager-core you should get the correct one.
[10:19] <leonel> mathiaz: 0.59.23
[10:26] <mathiaz> leonel: seems good to me
[10:30] <leonel> mathiaz: no new release found
[10:32] <mathiaz> leonel: hum... did you run it with the -d option ?
[10:40] <leonel> mathiaz: yes
[10:41] <mathiaz> leonel: ok. Thanks.
[10:42] <leonel> mathiaz:  ii  update-manager 0.59.23
[10:42] <leonel> leonel@ubuntu:~$ sudo do-release-upgrade  -d
[10:42] <leonel> Password:
[10:42] <leonel> Checking for a new ubuntu release
[10:42] <leonel> current dist not found in meta-release file
[10:42] <leonel> No new release found
[10:42] <leonel> leonel@ubuntu:~$
[10:42] <Nafallo> -c -d ?
[10:45] <leonel> do-release-upgrade: error: no such option: -c
[10:46] <mathiaz> leonel: I've already seen this error.
[10:46] <mathiaz> leonel: I'll ask mvo about it.
[10:48] <Nafallo> ooh.
[10:48] <Nafallo> do-release-upgrade.
[10:48] <Nafallo> not update-manager or whatsitscalled
[10:49] <mathiaz> Nafallo: do-release-upgrade is supposed to be the command line version of update-manager
[10:50] <Nafallo> way to long ago since I updated a server ;-)
[11:05] <acecase> hello