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nikolamsudo nano etc. On Xubuntu u should use sudo mousepad01:15
kioski like pico01:15
nikolamkiosk: check your internet connection / firewall settings etc. Its strange01:16
thrashythanks nikolam01:16
kioskI run firestarter firewall  I'll try stopping it01:16
nikolamfirestarte should not be the problem01:17
kioskalso thrashy what about apt-get install gedit?01:17
nikolamif policy>outbound traffic policy is permisive by default then, that`s no problem01:17
nikolamkiosk. psss, this is xubuntu ge have our little own, mousepad :)01:18
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nikolamkiosk try one of them.. servers. and try apt-get update from console. are you running 7.04?01:20
kiosknikolam: I think it was my firewall it got much further than before on Synaptic reload list01:20
kioskstill stuck at 23 of 24 though01:20
kioskI think i am 7.0401:21
kiosknikolam: how do I tell?01:21
nikolamJust select one randomly , one you think that is near.01:21
kiosknikolam:  I will try another one01:22
kioskfirewall is off now01:22
nikolamFirewall should not be the problem. If it is permissive on outgoing connactions.01:23
kiosknikolam: I used to permit and I haven't changed the settings01:23
kioskI am back where I started now.01:24
kioskNew server only  gets to 7 out of 1501:24
nikolamjust select one by hand.01:25
kiosknikolam: best one so far was carroll.aset.psu.edu01:25
kiosknikolam: but still got stuck refreshing near the last file01:25
nikolamohhh. dont get so detailed. just select d** thing :)01:25
kiosknikolam: tried like 10 servers allready01:27
kiosknikolam: all say            http://mirror.cc.columbia.edu/pub/linux/ubuntu/archive/dists/feisty/Release.gpg: Could not connect to localhost:4001 (127.0.0.1). - connect (111 Connection refused)01:27
nikolamkhm..01:28
kioskhmmm01:28
nikolamDo you use proxy or something.01:28
kioskI tried to install one yes01:28
kioskbut it didn't work01:28
kioskOr so I though01:28
kioskOr so I thought01:28
nikolamDns resolving should not return 127.0.0.1 on every request01:28
kioskI bet that is it01:28
nikolamI found it01:29
nikolamGo to synaptic01:30
kiosknikolam: ok01:30
nikolamand then settings>preferences>network> and select direct connection to internet.01:30
nikolamIf that dont work try to uninstall that proxy you have01:31
nikolamAnd focus on dns resolving.01:31
kiosknikolam: it was allready set direct  -   I guess I need to uninstall anon-proxy01:31
kiosknikolam: anon-proxy asked me a question when I installed about dns I think01:31
nikolamnslookup www.yahoo.com should return 87.248.113.14, not 127.0.0.101:31
nikolamuninstall d** thing :) and start your firewall , it should protect you all the time01:32
kiosknikolam: It does return that IP01:32
kiosknikolam: I will01:32
kiosknikolam: Firewall on captain!  : )01:33
kiosknikolam: Thanks for so much help.  I was screwed.01:33
kiosknikolam: LOL01:33
nikolammaybe if you try to reboot after that and you definitely should check dns resolving etc.01:34
nikolamThen, i am screwed :)01:34
kiosknikolam: yep I have to reboot01:38
kioskStill trying to go to 127.0.0.101:38
kiosknikolam: If I can't come back thanks again for your help01:39
kioskbrb01:39
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kioskanybody know nikolam?02:02
kioskwanted to thank he/she for helping so much02:03
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snyfthello i just bought an intel core 2 duo and was wondering should i use 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD or the 32-bits?02:04
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thrashyAnyone know how to change the screen size/geometry output by x11vnc server?02:10
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neozenany of you guys get syncing over IR with a palm to work?04:12
neozenshot in the dark04:12
maxamillionneozen: can't say that i have ...04:13
maxamillion:(04:13
neozendrat this thinkpad and its lack of a serial port04:15
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neozenhow about one of those cheap usb->serial converters?04:15
maxamillionneozen: they work pretty well in my experience04:16
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neozenwell that's good news04:16
neozenany one in particular?04:16
maxamillionneozen: no, i think it was just a cheap-o offbrand one04:17
neozengood!04:17
neozensomething like this? http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-to-9-pin-Serial-RS232-Adaptor-Adapter-Exten-Cable_W0QQitemZ130152195166QQihZ003QQcategoryZ64047QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem04:17
maxamillionneozen: looks good to me04:20
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maxamillionlol @ 11.3KB/sec download04:26
neozenyou didn't have to do anything nasty like recompile the kernel or anything did you?04:30
neozenmeh... guess I'll figure it out when it gets here04:31
neozenlsusb better see it04:31
neozenor there's going to be some violence going down04:31
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neozenso how's life been max?04:32
neozenschool treating you well?04:32
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maxamillionneozen: oh sorry, i was reading some lecture notes from my databases course04:45
maxamillionneozen: its going well ... but the first round of exams are going to be next week :(04:45
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Admiral_Chicagodoes anyone in here have Eclipse installed in their install?05:03
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neozenAdmiral_Chicago, yeah I do05:26
neozenAdmiral_Chicago, running into issues?05:26
neozenif it helps, I didn't use the one in the repos05:26
Admiral_Chicagoneozen: no, no issues, I had a question about the install path, I've got it figure out05:27
neozenwe use sun's jdk at work so it would be pointless to install gcj as well..05:27
neozenok05:27
neozenI just stuck mine in a directory in my home05:27
Admiral_Chicagothanks anyways05:27
neozenno problem05:27
Admiral_Chicagoi'll ping you if I need more help05:28
neozenI might be asleep, but am usually online 9-5 when I'm at work05:28
neozencst05:28
neozen(I'm in chicago as well)05:28
neozen...wait a minute...05:29
neozenI've probably met you05:29
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Admiral_Chicagoneozen: what is your IRL name?  if you don't mind me asking05:30
neozenRoss05:30
neozenwas @ last chiglug meeting05:31
Admiral_Chicagohmm, Institute of Design?05:32
Admiral_ChicagoI was at that one, helping facilitate and stuff.05:32
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Admiral_Chicagoneozen: did you go to Flourish and BarCamp as well?05:33
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Admiral_Chicagoyea I know who you are, you have a thinkpad and long hair.05:33
Admiral_Chicagoiirc05:33
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neozenjust got another one actually for work05:33
neozenbeen having issues due to the ati card in it acting up05:34
neozenmost annoying one would be that screen goes blank when lid is closed05:34
Admiral_Chicagothe reason I ask is because I'm doing doc work for Gutsy and I have Kubuntu (the best Linux distro ever)05:34
Admiral_ChicagoATI release over a Terabyte of specs for people to write drivers05:34
Admiral_Chicagoafaik05:34
neozenthen why is there lacking updated drivers for the R250 chipset?05:35
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Admiral_Chicagothey just released it today so they are working on R500 or something. I don't know the full details because I don't really buy AMD stuff, I may start though05:36
neozenamd?05:38
neozenthis is an ati card05:38
Admiral_Chicagoneozen: http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/05:38
Admiral_Chicagolike I said, I dont follow AMD so I wouldn't know...all I know is that they own ATI05:39
Admiral_Chicagoor something like that05:39
neozenoh yeah... forgot about that05:41
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neozenin any case its time to crash05:49
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neozennini all05:49
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manduskihey guys can anyone help me with trying to type spanish accents?06:02
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logreevalHello, is there a guide that shows the difference between Xfce and Gnome?06:51
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mindframelogreeval, here's one - xfce > gnome06:59
logreevallol mindframe06:59
mindframelogreeval, just throw in the livecd and find out06:59
logreevali dont have the livecd06:59
mindframedownload it :)06:59
logreevaland i cant download it cause i have satellite internet :(07:00
mindframeouch :(07:00
logreevali can only download 450 at a time07:00
mindframeyou can order cd's for cheap07:00
logreevali want it now lol07:00
logreevalwell....07:01
logreevaldoes it have a new version every 6 months like ubuntu07:01
mindframeis there an internet cafe in a nearby town or anything?07:01
mindframeyes07:01
mindframemost *buntu's are on the same release schedule - the ones that matter anyway07:01
logreevali live like 20 miles from town, thats why i have satellite07:01
logreevallike ubuntu, kubuntu, and xubuntu and edubuntu?07:02
mindframecould you drive to town, download the image / burn it?07:02
mindframeyes07:02
logreevalany more i should know about lol07:02
mindframeedubuntu is documentation so no07:02
logreeval?07:02
mindframefluxbuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu, kubuntu all get releases every 6 months07:02
logreevalcool07:02
mindframetheres nubuntu, mythbuntu07:03
mindframehrmmm07:03
mindframea few others im sure07:03
logreevalbut those dont get the good support, eh?07:03
mindframenubuntu is a security distro07:03
mindframemythbuntu is a distro based on mythtv - its on the normal release schedule07:03
logreevalso why is Xfce the way to go?07:04
mindframeIMO: it's lighter, faster, and easier than gnome or kde.07:04
mindframei'm a fan of fluxbox though, i had to have more desktop functionality though07:05
mindframeim excited to see what fluxbuntu will offer in gutsy07:05
logreevalcool07:05
mindframe(fluxbox is a very minimal window manager, no desktop environment)07:05
mindframeit's also super fast and light07:05
logreevalwith 2.0 ghz and 512 ram would i see a difference in Xfce?07:05
logreevalcompared to ubuntu that is07:06
mindframeit would not be worth the upgrade, considering the trouble you have to go through to get it07:06
mindframeyou could always apt-get install xubuntu-desktop i believe07:06
mindframeor apt-get install xubuntu07:06
logreevali can07:06
logreevali looked07:06
mindframeit shouldnt tax your satellite too terribly07:07
logreevaland then i would have gnome and xubuntu right?07:07
logreevalso i would choose at the login menu?07:07
mindframeyes,07:08
mindframein that case you could just apt-get install xfce07:08
mindframeerr xfce407:08
mindframejust change session at login07:08
logreevalyeah07:09
logreevaleverythng would still be like the same but with a different DE?07:09
mindframeyes07:09
mindframeyoull still have all the same programs07:10
logreevalill think about it over night, its time for sleep lol07:11
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mindframesame07:12
logreevalnight07:12
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atarinoxanybody know why i can't get linuxdcpp working from the repos?07:21
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johnficcawhen I try install install it just keeps failing, is there something I am doing wrong?07:28
johnficcait start the installation for like a second or two then stops with an error07:29
johnficcacan xubuntu partition the hard drive?07:31
johnficcaI think that is the problem07:31
johnficcais anyone here?07:33
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johnficcait is saying Can't have the end before the start!07:41
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xorki'm having some trouble formating an external hard drive08:01
xorkcan someone walk me through the steps? gparted gives me an error.08:02
xorkthat i don't have permission to mount the drive??08:02
xorki'd like to do this through the command line, and i tried, but unsuccessfully08:02
xorkDisk /dev/sdc: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes08:03
xork255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinders08:03
xorkUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes08:03
xorkDevice Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System08:03
xork/dev/sdc1               1       48641   390708801   83  Linux08:03
xorkthat is the drive i am trying to format08:03
xorkthe commands i ran from terminal08:07
xorkwere08:07
xorkmke2fs -j /dev/sdc08:07
xorktune2fs -m 0 /dev/sdc08:07
zoredachesudo?08:07
xorkyes08:07
zoredachewhy sdc, and not sdc1?08:08
xorksdc1 was not found08:08
xorksdc worked08:08
xorknow i have some udev rules set up08:08
xorkto link it to /dev/vds40008:08
xorkshoudl i have used that instead?08:08
xorki did that so they would always mount in same place08:09
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xorkotherwise the two externals i have would randomly mount to /media/disk1 or /media/disk208:09
xorki'm majorly confused08:09
xorki'm going to try mke2fs on /dev/vds40008:13
xorki'm feeling brave08:13
zoredachehrm...08:16
zoredacheI would repartition it correctly and build your filesystem on /dev/sdc108:16
zoredachethen set a partition label so that it gets mounted correctly08:16
xorkhow can i partition through terminal08:17
xorkgparted won't let me touch it for some reason08:17
xorki'd like the udev rules to stay in place08:17
xorkso that it's linked to /dev/vds40008:17
xorkotherwise it gets mounted in random places08:18
zoredachetry cfdisk /dev/sdc08:18
xorkah hah!08:18
xorkmke2fs on /dev/vds400 worked08:18
xorki guess once you have those udev rules in place08:18
xorkyou can't use /dev/sdcs1 anymore08:18
xorkyou have to use the link08:18
zoredacheare you sure?08:19
xorkwell08:19
xorkhere's the weird thing08:19
zoredacheI am almost certain that I did the other day...08:19
xorki have access to it08:19
xorkbut if i sudo fdisk -l08:19
xorkthis is the result08:19
xorkDisk /dev/sdc: 400.0 GB, 400088457216 bytes08:19
xork255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 48641 cylinders08:19
xorkUnits = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes08:19
xorkDisk /dev/sdc doesn't contain a valid partition table08:19
xorkwhy is it saying it doesn't have a valid partition table?08:20
xorkwhen it's there, i have access, i can read/write?08:20
zoredachebecause you created your partition directly on /dev/sdc08:20
xorki just did it on /dev/vds40008:20
zoredachecreated your filesystem rather08:20
xorkinstead08:20
xorkwhich is something i made up from udev rules08:20
zoredacheso it has no partition table08:20
xorkhmmmm.08:20
xorkis it going to effect me? :P08:20
xorkif i can still read/write to it?08:20
xorkthis is all way above my head08:21
zoredacheyou will be fine, if you only care about using it under linux08:21
xorki'm playing major guessing games08:21
xorkthat's all i care about08:21
xorkbut i'd like to protect myself from future problems08:21
xorkand since i don't care about losing data on it now.. now's the time08:21
xorkso how do i get a partition table08:22
xorki just tried cfdisk08:22
xorklet's see08:23
xorkwahoo!08:23
xorkworked08:23
xorklinks are still functional08:23
xorkfdisk reports a partition table08:23
xorki think i'm set08:23
xorkthanks08:23
zoredacheeh?08:24
xorklol sorry08:24
xorki'm jumping all over08:24
xorki did mke2fs on /dev/vds400 (the link i set up)08:25
xorkthen cfdisk on /dev/sdc08:25
xorkmade a partition08:25
xorkand it .. seems to be working08:25
xorki have access.08:25
xorkread/write08:25
xorkit's still linked how i want it to and mounting correctly08:25
xorki don't know why gparted wouldn't work08:25
xorkbut oh well08:25
zoredacheif you repartitioned things after you made the filesystem, then you have probably done something wrong08:26
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fudetanybody home? :D09:11
Merchelo!anybody09:13
UbotuA large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?09:13
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VampyreBehello hello everyone !12:33
VampyreBemay I ask a very special question ?12:33
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VampyreBei'm at the moment switching my 3 pc from windows to linux ubuntu. Mine is already under Ubuntu, but I was wondering the one from my daughter... it is a P II with 128 Mb ram, and was wondering if it was a good idea to put an Xubuntu on her pc12:34
VampyreBei'd like to make a small network with the 3 pc, which I could administrate for the rights... if xubuntu is not suitable for her pc, what other distro can i use, and could I still make my network with different distros ?12:36
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mynymlI want to be able to be notified of new rss feeds on the desktop ... for example with libnotify; anyone knows a tool that would do that?01:00
predaeusmynyml, e.g. liferea is a feed reader with a tray icon.01:02
mynymlpredaeus: that should be good enough. i'll check it out01:02
mynymlthanks01:02
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thrashyI'm trying to change the geometry of the vnc screen on my xubuntu server, I go into vnc.conf and add $geometry ="1024x768"; doesn't seem to work though, I even rebooted. Can anyone help?02:46
DuClarevncserver -geometry widthxheight03:07
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wlfwhiterabbithi! considering this page https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FtpServer can anyone tell me how i can launch FtpServer service? i've followed the instructions for the first case and now, how can i launch the service?03:17
Pres-Gaswlfwhiterabbit, which option did you pick?03:19
wlfwhiterabbitthe first03:19
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adacanyonone has vncserver running with xfce?03:21
adacI just get a grey screen03:21
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Wizardhello :)04:11
Wizardi finally installed xubuntu/ppc04:11
Wizarddoes anybody use compiz under xfce ?04:12
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adacWizard: not tried yet04:26
adaca friend of mine has beryl running04:26
adacwith xfce04:26
adacor compiz-fusion...04:27
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Wizardhmm04:43
Wizardi'll check beryl. i installed compiz but i can't found any settings manager04:43
Wizardand it does not work correctly04:44
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yotuxhow do I change the theme of xfce04:55
vinzeApplications->Settings->User Interface Settings04:55
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magic_ninjagrrr04:58
magic_ninjamy uselists disappeared04:58
yotuxthankz04:58
vinzenp04:59
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gerrohmm anyone know of some good music players for xubuntu?05:01
gerroheard some people talking about exaile before05:01
vinzeThere are lots...05:01
vinzeExaile is good but a bit slow05:01
gerroyeah I thought it would be05:01
magic_ninjagerro: amarok is good, for single file play use mplayer (very memory unintensive), but i prefer banshee05:01
gerroah yeah banshee I'll have to try that05:02
vinzeI'm using Rhythmbox at the moment, but... Gnome libs05:02
magic_ninjagerro: if you don't want all the bells and whistles offered with amarok banshee takes up alot less system resources05:02
gerroI didn't want to use amarok because of all the kde dependencies05:02
magic_ninjagerro: banshee is your best alternative05:02
gerroalso what about xmms?05:02
vinzeI don't like it05:02
magic_ninjagerro: xmms is good but i find it to be unstable when using very large playlists05:02
magic_ninjagerro: well actually i find it to be unstable quite a bit05:03
gerroI sorta found it convenient being light and themeable05:03
gerromagic_ninja: on xubuntu?05:03
magic_ninjagerro: xmms is good i just find it unstable05:03
magic_ninjagerro: yes using xubuntu with gnome instead of xfce05:04
gerromagic_ninja: it won't process that external terabyte hdd of pop music?05:04
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Wizardcompiz and beryl have the same issue :/05:04
magic_ninjagerro: what you talking about lol, mine or yours05:04
gerroWizard: use compiz fusion then :P05:05
Wizardi think it will give me same results05:05
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Wizardboth apps work until logout05:06
gerroWizard: actually I tried it and it seems bit more stable. And when I installed it I didn't have to use all sorts of weird hacks05:06
Wizardafter that: i have to start them manulally + the don't refresh windows (so i'm working with 'static screenshots')05:06
wlfwhiterabbit$ sudo pure-ftpd05:06
wlfwhiterabbitUnable to start a standalone server: Address already in use what does this mean?05:06
gerroI'm surprised it worked so smooth on this old geforce 5200 nvidia I only got 128mb on it05:06
Wizardi guess it would work on riva tnt :P05:07
gerrowhat you mean?05:07
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: it means something is already using that port, perhaps the server is already running. Try telneting to localhost on that port or perhaps use netcat. See what is running there05:08
Wizardthere is no compiz fusion in repos :)05:08
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: there also some commands to check your ports probably be easier05:08
gerroWizard: yeah its most likely going to be included with gutsy05:08
wlfwhiterabbitgerro: thanks.05:08
Wizarday, fsck that05:08
gerroWizard: they doing massive update on xorg and everything else05:09
Wizardi don't think if it will support ppc at all05:09
gerroWizard: try checking #ubuntu-effects there this guy whom setup repositories for it05:09
wlfwhiterabbitgerro: i've never used telnet, could you please me tell which command i could use?05:10
Wizardbah.. i'm staying with xfce4wm05:11
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: try lsof -i05:11
gerroor just plain lsof and use | less or | grep "search for this"05:12
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: root might be running something on that port so try running it as root too. I doubt it would be though05:12
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: ctrl c to exit when your done05:14
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wlfwhiterabbitgerro: with lsof -i there's nothing that uses port 20 or 21. doesn't pure-ftpd use port 21?05:17
gerrothere are alternative ports it might be using05:20
gerroand its generally wise to run an ftpd server on a non standard port05:20
wlfwhiterabbitgerro: i understand what u mean. do you know how i could set the port pure-ftpd will use?05:21
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: its probably in its documentation found here http://www.pureftpd.org/project/pure-ftpd/doc05:22
gerroIf its a bit over your head I'm sure there plenty of guides floating about or on the forums05:22
wlfwhiterabbitgerro: thanks, i'm sorry i made you make my work!05:23
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: try this tip it has Now, if you want to listen for an incoming connection on a non-standard port, just append '-S' and the port number: /usr/local/sbin/pure-ftpd -S 4205:23
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: also take in consideration some ports require root privileges and you probably wouldn't want to have the program running as root05:24
gerrogenerally anything over 1024 is good choice05:24
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gerrowlfwhiterabbit: its no prob I was going to try some ftp servers out myself, I usually use filezilla on windows boxes.05:25
maxamilliongerro: you can use filezilla on linux as well05:26
vinzeThe newest version05:27
wlfwhiterabbitis filezilla graphic? (i perfectly know that in this case a GUI is a waste of memory, but i have some difficulty with the shell)05:27
vinzeYes05:28
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gerroyou can use the graphical interface for file zilla with any ftp server I think though05:36
gerrothey all follow same protocol "ftp"05:36
maxamillionwlfwhiterabbit: if you just need a ftp client program, then i would suggest gftp .. its decently light on resources and its gui05:37
Naughtyboyvery easy to use and straight forward....05:37
wlfwhiterabbitmaxamillion: unfortunately i need to act as server05:37
Naughtyboyproftpd then...05:38
Naughtyboyalso fairly easy to setup05:38
gerroI just use firefox and ftp:ip:port05:39
Naughtyboygproftpd if you want a grafical interface05:39
gerrothat why I is a be noob :D05:39
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wlfwhiterabbitI've installed FileZilla but it doesn't seem i can act as server...05:41
gerrook there gftp, gftp-common, gftp-gtk, and gftp-text05:41
gerrowhich do I choose ;_;05:41
gerrowlfwhiterabbit: umm its a client unless you specifically got the server part, I'd recommend using something different though if your on linux its mainly for windows05:42
maxamilliongerro: gftp-gtk05:42
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gerromaxamillion: too late installed them all! woot!05:43
maxamilliongerro: lol05:43
maxamillionok05:43
gerroit free stuff yo *steals it all*05:44
gerromaxamillion: the heck is with gftp it got half its documentation attached to gui. My 800x600 screen can't take it :(05:46
gerrorun proftpd from inetd or standalone?...05:51
gerroI guess standalone hate it when things pop up at startup05:52
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vinzejoin #codeyard05:59
vinzeSorry05:59
gerrono prob06:00
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lobisimilar programe like AdobeAcrobate for ubuntu07:52
lobi?07:52
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lobi__similar programe like AdobeAcrobate for ubuntu07:56
lobi__and if can do this http://www.acrobatusers.com/tutorials/2006/adding_video/adding_video.pdf07:57
DaBeowulfCan segmentation fault crashes in UT2004 get fixed by using this http://www.nvidia.com/object/linux_display_amd64_100.14.11.html instead of the nvidia-glx-new from the restricted repository?08:03
DaBeowulfI did run memtest and my mem seems fine and UT is at the latest version.08:03
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LampoNerociao a tutti08:07
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riciquick pmount question: i have a freebsd formatted hd in a usb enclosure, and i need to mount the slices with -r -t ufs -o ufstype=5xbsd.08:46
ricibut the desktop seems to be trying to mount it -rw -o ufstype=old08:47
riciso i can't get rid of the popup window :(08:47
ricihow do i tell it to cease and desist and let me mount it by hand?08:47
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TheSheeprici: you could disable the volume manager in thunar->edit->preferences->advnced09:09
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hyper__chhiho09:09
s-x-uhiho -h09:09
riciTheSheep: thanks09:09
riciit was just kinda distracting.09:09
TheSheeprici: I can imagine09:09
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TheSheeprici: probably adding it to the fstab with correct options would solve that too09:09
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riciyeah, that's the next step09:09
TheSheeprici: and with noauto, if you don't want it mounted every time09:09
ricisince it's unlikely to be pluggedin every time09:09
ricii just need to back it up, really.09:09
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ricithe box it was in blew up, but i recovered the hd from the mess.09:09
TheSheeprici: had something like that recently with my homepage server09:09
TheSheeprici: still can't get myself to bring the gallery up :)09:09
rici:)09:09
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hyper__chTheSheep: we want to see the gallery09:09
ricithe new keyboard is supposed to show up tomorrow, and i'll be back to where i was pre-earthquake09:09
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riciaside from one fried box, but i can live without it.09:09
ricisaves me the trouble of upgrading the fbsd version :)09:09
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riciok, this is working. thanks again.09:09
riciseeya09:09
snowdonkeyHey.  I mainly use Kubuntu Feisty but I'd like to try out Xubuntu.  Is there a command to download XFCE without the extra programs that come with xubuntu-desktop?09:11
TheSheepsnowdonkey: apt-get install xfce09:11
snowdonkeythesheep: lol, of course.  So then I can use XFCE environment with all my KDE programs?09:12
hyper_chsnowdonkey: yes09:12
TheSheepsnowdonkey: oops, sorry, it's xfce409:12
TheSheepsnowdonkey: yes09:12
TheSheepsnowdonkey: it's not the same as xubuntu, though09:13
snowdonkeythesheep: the default look will be different you mean?09:14
TheSheepsnowdonkey: that too, yes09:14
snowdonkeythesheep: or drastic changes?  Like will my graphics drivers not work?09:14
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TheSheepsnowdonkey: nah, just the looks and useful tools09:15
TheSheepsnowdonkey: actually, default xfce theme is mega-ugly :)09:15
snowdonkeyheh09:16
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snowdonkeythesheep: Ok.  BTW how did you do the thing with "***"?09:17
TheSheepyou mean the action?09:17
TheSheepyou do it with the /me command09:17
snowdonkeyOh cool.  I'm still kinda new to IRC.09:18
TheSheepjust type /me at the beginning of the line09:18
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TheSheep:)09:19
snowdonkeythesheep: thx for your help.  peace09:20
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TheSheeplove & peace09:21
neozenand lemurs!!!!09:23
hyper_chcarnivoral lemurs09:23
neozenwith bats!09:24
TheSheepflamming zombie falmingos09:24
TheSheepflamingos even09:24
TheSheepthey are pink09:25
TheSheepthey are dead09:25
TheSheepthey are after your brains09:25
hyper_chthe pinky and the brain... brain... brain... brain09:25
TheSheephyper_ch: what are we going to do tonight?09:26
hyper_chTheSheep: ripping all the movies off the DVD and then start encoding them to mkv :)09:26
hyper_chTheSheep: and trying to send you a small video ;)09:26
hyper_chTheSheep: the same we are going to do every night... try to take over the world09:28
nonlocalRight on the third try!09:35
nonlocal;)09:35
thrashyHey, I'm running utorrent through Wine but whenever I minimise it to tray I can't open the window back up, like the window border etc is there but the inside contents is just blank. Any ideas why this is and how to fix it?09:42
hyper_chthrashy: why not using a linux torrent client?09:44
thrashyI would but my isp throttles so I need a client that offers encryption, afaik utorrent is the only one that has this?09:46
hyper_chthrashy: nope, ktorrent does it also and rtorrent also09:47
thrashyhmm might have a look at rtorrent then.. :)09:48
hyper_chthrashy: rtorrent is command line only - hence very lightweight09:48
hyper_chthrashy: TheSheep put my attention to it... before I used kTorrent ;)09:49
nonlocalthrashy:  try deleting ~/.wine/drive_c/windows/profiles/your_profile/Application\ Data/uTorrent/settings*09:49
nonlocal(hope I got that path right)09:49
thrashythanks nonlocal although seems its not doing it any more.. strange09:50
thrashymight go with rtorrent now anyways, vnc and utorrent is kinda laggy to control :P09:50
hyper_chthrashy: that's how I started:    http://kmandla.wordpress.com/2007/05/02/howto-use-rtorrent-like-a-pro/09:51
thrashyThanks, I'm gonna give rtorrent a try now09:52
hyper_chand of course:  http://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/09:54
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Jester45deluge is nice10:00
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neozenthrashy: so does azureus10:05
neozenthrashy: it likes ram though10:06
neozenall java things do10:06
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TheSheepneozen: you need an 11ft pole10:06
TheSheepneozen: shame we only grow at most 6ft tall in Poland10:07
nonlocalthrashy:  rtorrent is the business. I just thought I would take a crack at solving the problem at hand ...10:07
neozenlol10:07
thrashyyeah I'm setting up rtorrent now lol =)10:08
Jester45i would say deluge is the best gui for linux10:10
Jester45utorrent was nice in the pre webui versions10:10
Jester45but isnt good in wine as it breaks the theme of your desktop and az is a hog10:11
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hyper_chnonlocal: what problem?10:17
nonlocalhyper_ch:  thrashy's non-displaying utorrent problem.10:18
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hyper_chnonlocal: ^^10:19
hyper_chso there are more rtorrent users in here than any other client?10:19
thrashybah, screw utorrent, I'm download something in rtorrent right now :D10:19
neozenlol10:19
thrashyI like it so far10:19
serashello i was wondering if there was any way to replace the panel in xfce gusty without all of them disappearing?10:20
hyper_chthrashy: did you have a look at the rtorrent site about common tasks? and the official support channel is over at irc.worldforge.org  #libtorrent10:20
thrashyyeah looking now10:20
thrashyis encryption automatically on?10:21
hyper_chthrashy: I haven't seen an option to en/disable it10:21
hyper_chso I tend to think it's auto-encrypted10:21
thrashyits just the speed is only @ 20kb/s which leads me to think something is being held back10:22
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hyper_chmy speeds currently isn't great either but I fetched The Corporation yesterday at nearly 250kbit10:24
Jester45250kbit is like 20 kb/s you know that rigt10:36
nonlocalWhy did the cable companies have to start us talking about mega*bits* and such just to make their bandwidth seem faster... }8[10:37
hyper_chJester45: 250kbytes10:40
hyper_chwas a typo :910:40
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nikolamnonlocal: Beacouse it sounds better and beacouse that are telcomunications and that we can handle (nince 300bitsPerSeconds modem onwards) But what definitely is not right is HD`s volume stating at X GB when they are meening Gigabitss.. thats fraud.10:44
hyper_chI tend to say its a historical way of telling transfer rates... how many 0s and 1s can you pump through your line in a second10:46
Jester45they didnt start it its the standard way network speeds are stated10:46
Jester45like a 100mbit ethernet or gbit10:46
nonlocalnikolam: Yes that irks me too. And the general trend towards defining a megabyte as 1000bytes instead of 102410:46
hyper_cha megabyte is 1 mio bytes ;)10:46
hyper_chkilo = thousand10:46
hyper_chmega = million10:47
nonlocalJester45:  fair enough. Just seemed like I had been thinking in kb/s forever and then cable/dsl showed up10:47
Jester45its much easier to use for humans10:47
zoredachekilo =2^10, mega = 2^2010:47
ricikibi / mibi10:47
nonlocalJester45:  What does that make me :(10:47
hyper_chzoredache: only in computer science ;)10:48
nonlocal<ozzy> I AM IRONMAN </ozzy>10:48
nikolamThat is not trend that is Hd producers fraud. But these days they are stating on the boxes that it is in thousand bits so its to user to figure out. Its like CRT monitors and size of screen.. After some lawsuit in canada or so, they begins to state actual size (viewable)10:49
Jester45well what 100,000,000 bytes converted to MB the computer way10:49
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zoredacheyou say it is 'fraud' but it really isn't... It was just some engineer being lazy a long time ago, and everyone else following his lead10:50
hyper_chzoredache: I don't think it was an engineer being lazy... I tend to think it was non-tech guys being not able to understand why it is 1024 and not 100010:51
zoredachenever assume malice when incompatence is more likely10:51
nonlocalzoredache:  these are not governments (where I would agree), they are corporations looking for profit. it's a little too convenient when the errors always seem to make the numbers look bigger on packaging...10:52
zoredachenonlocal: most of these standards where created by the government...10:53
nonlocal?10:53
Jester45not if your doing 40,000mb hardrive and not 40GB10:53
hyper_chas 1024 is close to  1000 it's a lot simpler to just say it's 1k or 1m10:53
nonlocalJester45:  Another good point :)10:53
Jester45really non tech people would seed Mb and think its small10:53
Jester45see*10:53
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zoredachehere, read this article about how 'military specs' live forever10:54
zoredachehttp://wilk4.com/humor/humore11.htm10:54
hyper_chzoredache: nothing lives forever10:54
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Jester45because the military doesnt let it change10:54
zoredacherici: seems to have read my mind10:54
hyper_chnothing lasts forever ;)10:56
zoredachewell, perhaps not forever, but maybe as long as the human civilization10:56
hyper_chI don't think so10:56
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Zach`hey10:57
Zach`I'm using Xubuntu and I have a problem with change the language10:57
Zach`I have full support of my local language (Hebrew) but I can't switch to it! how can I fix that?10:58
TheSheepZach`: you don't have it listed on the login screen?10:58
Zach`I do, but if I choose Hebrew I can't switch back to english10:58
Zach`there's no alt+shift thing like in Windows?10:59
hyper_ch!lnw10:59
ubotuWant to know the differences between Windows and Linux? This guide, called "Linux is Not Windows" is a pretty good read -- http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm10:59
hyper_ch!lnw | Zach`10:59
ubotuZach`: please see above10:59
TheSheepZach`: there is a keyboard layout switcher plugin you can add to your panel10:59
Zach`cool TheSheep, where can I grab it :)?10:59
TheSheepZach`: it's installed by default, just right-click on the panel and select 'add new item'11:00
TheSheepzenrox: then choose the keyboard layout switcher from the menu11:00
thrashyhmm trying to update rtorrent, it says do ./autogen.sh but then says "aclocal not found" how am i meant to update?11:00
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Zach`cool TheSheep and now how I add my language (hebrew) to the keyboard layout switcher?11:02
hyper_chthrashy: you're not using it from the repos?11:02
TheSheepZach`: I'm not sure, probably in settings->keayboard settings11:02
TheSheepkeyboard11:02
Zach`thanks!11:02
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thrashyhyper_ch I the repo gave me 0.6.4 and apparently only >v7 supports encryption11:03
hyper_chthrashy: oh... hmm....11:03
hyper_chthrashy: how about gutsy?11:03
hyper_chthrashy: I have to ckeck what version it has11:04
nonlocalSpeaking of strange byte-math... I just noticed apt-get telling me: "Fetched 613kB in 1s (307kB/s)"11:09
nonlocalHeh.11:09
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hyper_chgutsy has 0.7.411:11
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nikolamZach` edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf and add Option "XkbOptions" "grp:alt_shift_toggle"11:18
nikolamUnder Section "InputDevice"11:18
nikolamIdentifier"Generic Keyboard"11:18
nikolamBefore EndSection11:18
hyper_chTheSheep: can I somehow use the rtorrent package from Gutsy in feisty?11:19
nikolamAdd keyboards in Settings manager> Keyboards Layouts and logoff and restart X (Ctrl+Alt+Backspace)11:19
TheSheephyper_ch: sure, if it doesn't have too many dependencies11:20
hyper_chTheSheep: so I just download it and check it?11:20
TheSheephyper_ch: download it from packages.ubuntu.org or just add gutsy repository for a moment11:20
thrashyywhats the gutsy repo?11:20
TheSheep!gutsy11:20
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+111:20
TheSheepthrashyy: same as feisty, only with 'feisty' replaced with 'gutsy'11:21
thrashyyhmm this is in software sources or? only been using linux for like 24 hours so go easy eh11:22
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nikolamhuper_ch from my knoledge (tryed to install iceape 1.4.1 from gutsy on 7.04) it is basically very hard to do it manually (dependencies) . try adding gutsy repository but Not upgaring to it. I havent try myself but ..11:23
hyper_chlibc6 also needed...11:23
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nikolamI myself will not till gutsy is done.11:23
nikolamhyper_ch: It is sometimes endless effort. i myself downloaded 10 .deb`s for iceape manually untill realised I have to reinstall half the system that way..11:24
hyper_chlibc6 and rtorrent will do the job ;)11:25
nikolamHmm me too needed libc6. unil I realized that half of system depends on old one. Be Very carefull.11:26
hyper_chnikolam: if I have problems then I will just get the new gutsy :)11:28
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nikolamYes, me too :) and ufter one update u could`nt boot. anyway it is talk for #ubuntu+1 cahnnel :)11:29
hyper_chthrashyy: you know "Screen"?11:30
snowdonkeyHey.  I'm using Xubuntu Feisty, and I want to open files from Thunar into Vim.  Problem is "Open With" dialog doesn't have option to run a command in a terminal, so the documents don't open.  Is there a way to do this?11:30
TheSheepargh, ubiquity sucks :(11:30
TheSheepsnowdonkey: use 'gvim' or '11:30
TheSheepterminal -x vim'11:30
nikolamsnowdonkey OpenwithOthe Application> choose one > select/deselect "use as default11:31
snowdonkeythesheep: ok, I'll try it.11:31
snowdonkeynikolam: Even with that selected it doesn't open b/c vim's a console app.11:31
thrashyyhyper_ch I don't think so11:32
hyper_chthrashyy: also very nice:   http://jmcpherson.org/screen.html11:33
nikolamsnowdonkey: edit> configure custom actions? :)11:34
snowdonkeythesheep: thx, I got it working using command konsole -e vim (I have Kubuntu installed too).  But it keeps saying "Terminal" isn't a command, though I see that's what the program's called.11:34
snowdonkeynikolam: Right, I do that.  But vim is a console app.  Opening a document with just "vim" dosen't open it.11:34
nikolamWith custom actions you open console!11:35
TheSheepsnowdonkey: ah, it was renamed to xfce4-terminal11:35
snowdonkeythesheep: Aha!  :)11:35
nikolam:)11:35
nikolam"Terminal" with "T" should open it :)11:36
TheSheepsnowdonkey: gvim is nice if you disable the toolbar11:36
Jester45yes a T is needed t doesnt work11:36
TheSheepsnowdonkey: has nicer fonts and colors11:36
nikolamTheSheep: On 7.04 or Gutsy?11:37
TheSheepnikolam: on both, not by default though :)11:37
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nikolamhere at me is11:37
snowdonkeythesheep: yea I've read that.  I'm trying to go through the gauntlet of learning the commands though  :)11:37
hyper_choh well, that did not work well11:38
nikolamDid anyone of you actually formated and used CDRW formated as UDF?11:39
nikolamIn read-write mode, of course11:40
neozenTheSheep: me as well11:40
neozenTheSheep: first thing I do on any system I work on is pull over my .vimrc11:41
neozenall hail scp11:41
snowdonkeyI lost recently lost my .vimrc  :(11:41
snowdonkey*just lost11:41
snowdonkeyI had key mappings for compiling and running C++ and Java too.  so sad.11:42
nikolamI have one mistery here. With other accounts Ooo works as well as Document viewer. Not with my account :)11:43
neozenlol... mine isn't even that long11:44
neozenmy recent big loss was ~1yrs worth of gaim logs11:44
TheSheepneozen: I have to scp -r .vim* :)11:45
neozenwhat's in .viminfo anyway?11:45
TheSheepneozen: information letting Vim start where you left if you reopen files11:45
TheSheepneozen: and old clipboards11:45
TheSheepneozen: stuff like that11:45
TheSheepneozen: depends on how you configure it11:46
neozenah11:46
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neozenI've gotten addicted to xfce4-notes as well11:46
neozenI wish it had keyboard shortcuts11:46
TheSheepneozen: but I mean the .vim directory, with the colors and spell and syntax subdirectories11:46
TheSheepneozen: try Zim11:47
TheSheepneozen: it's great11:47
neozenZim?11:47
TheSheephttp://pardus-larus.student.utwente.nl/~pardus/projects/zim/11:47
TheSheepsomething like a tom,boy, only in perl, not c#11:47
s-x-uor kim she is great :)11:48
neozen....xfce...11:48
neozenwait... isn't kim a bunch of filters for images in kde?11:49
s-x-ui was joking11:49
neozenlike right click on an image... see "shrink by 50%", "compress for web" etc11:49
neozenhow's output of zim?11:49
TheSheepneozen: text files in a directory11:50
neozenas in how it exports its stuff11:50
TheSheepneozen: with simple wiki-like formatting11:50
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neozenwhat is wiki-like?11:51
TheSheep==heading== [[link to other page] ]  **bold** //italic//11:51
TheSheepafair11:51
neozenahh11:51
neozeninteresting11:52
neozenI'll give it a shot11:52
neozenbut..... can it blend?11:52
neozensorry... couldn't resist11:52
TheSheepneozen: it's gtk, it should fit the rest of xfce11:53
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neozennot that kind of blend11:53
neozenbut noticed the gtk bindings11:53
neozen..for me... this is a must11:53
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neozenhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-blend-the-iphone-smoothie/11:55
neozenanyway11:56
neozentime to head off to linux group11:56
nikolamLOL11:59
nikolamWOW12:00
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zoredacheprobably a simple question, but how do i either temporarily or permanently disable sending things to the trash?12:14
s-x-uhttp://www.engadget.com/2007/07/10/will-it-blend-the-iphone-smoothie/ useful info thanks a lot LOL LOL LOL that is real fun12:15
Jester45hold shift when you delete them12:22
Jester45hi Max12:23
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zoredacheJester45: I was hoping to disable it completely, not temporarily... but that will work I guess.  Thanks Jester4512:26
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