[12:54] <gnomefreak> damn kdelibs5 is huge
[01:25] <gnomefreak> ok when putting hte export lines at top of the /usr/lib/kde4/bin that is after the comments above the trap line?
[01:30] <stdin> gnomefreak: shouldn't matter too much, I tend to put it right after "#!/bin/sh" tho
[01:31] <gnomefreak> stdin: yeah i added them as first uncommented line
[01:31] <gnomefreak> above trap line
[01:32] <stdin> just remember there'll be no kicker in the full session
[01:32] <stdin> ooh, too late :p
[01:43] <gnomefreak> lol there is nothing here including menu
[01:43] <stdin> I was just going to say then when you left :p
[01:43] <stdin> you can start apps from krunner, but that's about it
[01:44] <gnomefreak> thats what im doing atm
[01:45] <gnomefreak> its nice though
[05:30] <daSkreech> Funny I just thought of Waves (having come from the seashore where the hurricane has torn up a road an a half of houses) and thought .o0(I wonder if Hobbsee is on) and lo! you were
[05:31] <Hobbsee> heh
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it's my timezone.  ish.
[05:32] <daSkreech> Yah I know
[05:32] <daSkreech>  Jucato (as I found out today) signs in before breakfast :)
[05:32] <daSkreech> not as bad as my friend who signs in before getting out of bed
[05:33] <Jucato> my bed is directly in front my computer. so when I stand up, the first thing I reach for is the on switch :)
[05:34] <Jucato> er.. by now you haven't had lunch yet either :)
[05:34] <Hobbsee> true
[05:42] <Jucato> How do our changes/patches get to upstream btw?
[05:42] <daSkreech> By USPO
[05:42] <Jucato> USPO?
[05:42] <Jucato> !uspo
[05:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about uspo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:42] <Jucato> hehe
[05:43] <daSkreech> United states Post Office
[05:43] <daSkreech> Wether rain or shine sleet or snow, It must get through!
[05:43] <Jucato> ...
[05:43] <Jucato> oookaaaay....
[05:43] <daSkreech> Jucato: that's the motto of the US post office
[05:44] <daSkreech> from back in the days when it was started in the wild west and postmen used to get shot if they didn't freeze to death
[05:45] <Hobbsee> Jucato: someone commits them to kdesvn, usually
[05:46] <Jucato> um... oh... ok :)
[05:46] <Jucato> thanks
[05:50] <Hobbsee> i dont know, i usually pull patches from upstream
[05:51] <Jucato> but for now... lunch!! :)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> lol
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:56] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: you had questions you wanted to ask me?
[05:59] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: hello?
[05:59] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: i have to go to sleep soon, so please hurry up and answer
[05:59] <daSkreech> She's at lunch I think
[06:01] <coreymon77> daSkreech: oh
[06:01] <coreymon77> daSkreech: how long do you think
[06:02] <daSkreech> I don't know I've never seen her eat
[06:02] <daSkreech> coreymon77: is it a discussion?
[06:02] <coreymon77> because its 12:00 midnight where i am, i got up at 7:10 in the morning after staying up till 2:30 and i have to get up at 9:00 tomorrow
[06:02] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: oh
[06:02] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: just about #kubuntu support, how to make it better, etc.
[06:02] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: youre there
[06:02] <Hobbsee> i'll email them
[06:03] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: just ask me
[06:03] <Hobbsee> fsvo there, yes.  i'm on hold at the moment
[06:03] <daSkreech> I was about to suggest that
[06:03] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: im here for the moment
[06:03] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: so might as well ask me in person
[06:03] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: what do you see as teh problems in getting support in #kubuntu, and how do you think they can be fixed?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> and why do you think it's quieter lately than usual?
[06:04] <coreymon77> that ones easy
[06:04] <coreymon77> school has just started for most people
[06:04] <coreymon77> so people are more busy now than they are normally
[06:05] <coreymon77> and as for problems getting support in the channel
[06:05] <coreymon77> i personally have not had any
[06:06] <coreymon77> the #kubuntu channel is actually the nicest, best support channel ive ever been to
[06:06] <coreymon77> the #ubuntu channel on the other hand
[06:06] <coreymon77> but thats not the question
[06:06] <Hobbsee> it seems that a lot of people dont get naswers
[06:06] <coreymon77> thats true
[06:07] <coreymon77> because only a few people are typically active at a time
[06:07] <daSkreech> true
[06:07] <coreymon77> and nobody knows everything
[06:07] <coreymon77> and if you are not on at the same time as the really experienced users
[06:07] <daSkreech> i spend up late answering things cause I'm the only "support" on hand
[06:07] <coreymon77> you may have a bit of trouble
[06:08] <Hobbsee> how do you think we should draw more experienced users to answer questions in #kubuntu?
[06:08] <n8k99> pay them!!!
[06:08] <coreymon77> what the channel needs is more people, spread out among more timezones that are actually experienced, so that no matter what time you are on, there are people who know what they are doing
[06:09] <daSkreech> true
[06:09] <Hobbsee> indeed, but how do we draw them?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hmm.  i remember why i usually call these guys at night now.
[06:09] <daSkreech> coreymon77: does anyone monitor the other locales chan?
[06:09] <coreymon77> casue at the moment, if you are not on when either intellikey, dascreech, jucato or jhutchins are, you will have some trouble
[06:10] <coreymon77> daSkreech: i stick around in the canadian and the israeli ones
[06:10] <daSkreech> There are a few others
[06:10] <daSkreech> Blueskaj I've found to be very helpful
[06:10] <n8k99> and Jucato just came off a month long hiatus
[06:10] <coreymon77> daSkreech: they are the mains
[06:11] <daSkreech> I'll actually stop helping someone if BluesKaj starts talking to them
[06:11] <daSkreech> as in not even watch what he is saying to make sure it's right
[06:11] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: all we have is them, a couple others, my wireless knowledge and any other tidbits that people might know
[06:11] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: we need more experienced knowledgeable "support" people
[06:11] <Hobbsee> right
[06:11] <Hobbsee> how do we get them, though?
[06:12] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: and we need them spread out over more time zones
[06:12] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: that, i dont know
[06:12] <daSkreech> positive reinforcement
[06:12] <daSkreech> and encouragement of what little they know
[06:12] <daSkreech> many people know answers but just assume they might be wrong
[06:12] <coreymon77> everyone knows something
[06:13] <coreymon77> everyones good at their little area
[06:13] <daSkreech> I think that if we start encouraging people who say the right thing
[06:13] <daSkreech> by thanking them
[06:13] <coreymon77> minenhappens to be wireless
[06:13] <daSkreech> as a third party they will be more inclined to try
[06:13] <daSkreech> I know squat about wireless but I help anyway :)
[06:13] <n8k99> it helps if someone acknowledges the support you give
[06:14] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: daSkreech is entirely right, the problem is that people are afraid to give support because they are afraid they might be wrong and therefore be responsible for messing up someones system
[06:14] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: we need to encourage people to give any support they have
[06:14] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: if they are wrong, they will be corrected, no worries
[06:14] <daSkreech> coreymon77: when people have *just* worked out a solution for themselves like in the past few days and someone asks about it they jump to answer
[06:14] <Hobbsee> oh, there's a thought
[06:15] <daSkreech> They just never put that into a philosphy of answering if they even know a dim path
[06:15] <coreymon77> daSkreech: exactly
[06:15] <daSkreech> Maybe we should have a KoK :)
[06:15] <coreymon77> daSkreech: the reason im good at wireless problems is because i have had so many problems with it my self over my linux experience
[06:16] <coreymon77> daSkreech: a what?
[06:16] <daSkreech> Kode of konduct
[06:16] <coreymon77> lol
[06:16] <daSkreech> for the Kubuntu Khan :)
[06:16] <daSkreech> Oh that doesn't work at all!
[06:16] <coreymon77> dont we just use the CoC
[06:16] <daSkreech> !doesnt work | daSkreech
[06:16] <coreymon77> lol
[06:17] <daSkreech> Well this is to promote help in the channel so it's our Kode of praise and how to Korrect someone who is giving wrong info
[06:17] <coreymon77> okay
[06:17] <coreymon77> we get the point with the k's
[06:17] <coreymon77> you can stop now
[06:17] <daSkreech> so they won't shut up ever after but will have a clearer idea as to how to a) give answers and b) find solutions if they don't know the answer
[06:18] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: its the same psychology as to why many people dont raise their hands to answer questions at school
[06:18] <daSkreech> I think that from a selection od lurking regulars who know how to at least look for solutions we should get a crop of maybe 5 new super support
[06:19] <daSkreech> cause they were drinking before class?
[06:19] <daSkreech> >_>
[06:19] <daSkreech> <_<
[06:19] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: they are affraid that they will give a wrong answer and then get yelled and laughed at
[06:19] <daSkreech> Oh right of course :)
[06:19] <coreymon77> ...
[06:19] <coreymon77> daSkreech: exactly, i dont necessarily know the solutions to all questions and problems, but i know where to find many solutions
[06:20] <coreymon77> daSkreech: when i help someone with wireless
[06:20] <daSkreech> just need to pass that on to others
[06:20] <coreymon77> daSkreech: lots of my info is taken from the wiki
[06:20] <daSkreech> and forums as well
[06:20] <coreymon77> daSkreech: i dont know all of this stuff by heart
[06:20] <Hobbsee> tue
[06:20] <coreymon77> i just know where to find it
[06:20] <daSkreech> I recall one guy who was around for about three weeks that just was a monster at searching the forums and coming up with a close solution
[06:21] <coreymon77> exactly
[06:21] <Hobbsee> er, true
[06:21] <coreymon77> we should encourage people that it doesnt matter if they actually know te answer or not
[06:21] <coreymon77> its better to know where to find it
[06:22] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: but daSkreech is right, we all know people who lurk in the channel alot and are regulars
[06:23] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: we need to go and get a few more "super supports" that know where to find things so that no matter what time or timezone, someone is always there
[06:23] <Hobbsee> indeed.  i just wonder how.
[06:23] <coreymon77> what?
[06:23] <coreymon77> i could be one of them
[06:23] <coreymon77> but i cant always be on
[06:23] <coreymon77> because of school
[06:23] <coreymon77> id have to be part time
[06:24] <coreymon77> maybe we can ask BluesKaj to be one
[06:25] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: any more questions
[06:25] <coreymon77> ?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> what do you think should be done with #ubuntu ?
[06:25] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: meaning?
[06:25] <Hobbsee> to make it better for getting support
[06:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: people have to be nicer there
[06:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: i dont frequent that channel, as a matter of fact, im barely ever there
[06:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: but its not the same atmosphere
[06:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: its colder
[06:26] <emonkey> maybe it's possible to find goo supporters in native kubuntu language channels... in -de there are many people, but at the moment I don't know if there's one who could help
[06:27] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: it seems to have more of the "we WILL laugh at you if you say something wrong" type of atmosphere to it
[06:27] <Hobbsee> right
[06:27] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: that as to be changed
[06:28] <coreymon77> has*
[06:28] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: next?
[06:28] <daSkreech> coreymon77: and they have echoes
[06:29] <coreymon77> daSkreech: what?
[06:29] <Hobbsee> i think that was it, at the moment
[06:30] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: goodnight
[06:30] <Hobbsee> night!
[06:30] <coreymon77> daSkreech: what do you mean?
[06:31] <daSkreech> coreymon77: have you ever seen people asking for help in there
[06:31] <daSkreech> they just keep asking the same question over and over till they logout
[06:31] <daSkreech> at one point about 1/3 of the questions I was fielding in #kubuntu was for people in Ubuntu who got frustrated by the IRC chan
[06:31] <coreymon77> daSkreech: thats because nobody helps
[06:32] <daSkreech> I know
[06:32] <nixternal> Hobbsee: feel like doing a doc upload for me?
[06:32] <daSkreech> I got some of them to install Kubuntu so it wasn't always a loss :)
[06:32] <Hobbsee> nope.  see teh part about breakfast
[06:32] <nixternal> grr
[06:32] <emonkey> 
[06:32] <nixternal> need to hurry and get this in so the translations can begin
[06:34] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: oh ya, nixternal is one of the "super supports" too
[06:34] <nixternal> huh?
[06:34] <nixternal> Hobbsee: when you get a chance -> http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/docs/
[06:35] <Hobbsee> nixternal: email me.  irc makes a bad todo list.
[06:35] <coreymon77> nixternal: we were talking about the kubuntu channel, and were listing off a bunch of people who we consider the "super supports"
[06:35] <nixternal> I don't help anyone
[06:35] <nixternal> I just k/b people
[06:35] <nixternal> roger that Hobbsee
[06:35] <coreymon77> nixternal: meaning experienced users who actually know what they are doing
[06:35] <nixternal> once again, that isn't me :)
[06:36] <coreymon77> ???
[06:36] <coreymon77> it isnt
[06:36] <coreymon77> i thought i see you around alot
[06:37] <coreymon77> anyways
[06:37] <nixternal> you have mail!
[06:37] <coreymon77> night everyone
[06:37] <Hobbsee> woo!  more mail!
[06:37] <coreymon77> its 12:40 in the morning here and i have to get up at 9
[06:37] <coreymon77> so its sleep time
[06:38] <coreymon77> gnight
[06:38] <nixternal> g'nite coreymon77
[06:38] <daSkreech> !nixternal
[06:38] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:38] <nixternal> yes!
[06:38] <nixternal> dude, Vista rocks..I don't know what people were talking about
[06:38] <nixternal> it is so secure
[06:38] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: can i have op for a sec?
[06:38] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: :P
[06:38] <nixternal> I mean, it asks me multiple times if I want to do this or that...I accidentally said no to a pop up earlier, and I haven't eaten in 4 days
[06:39] <Hobbsee> what for?
[06:39] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: im joking
[06:39] <Hobbsee> oh, ick
[06:39] <Hobbsee> why is xp_killer in there?
[06:39] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: when nixternal said that whole, vista rocks thing
[06:39] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: i threw in a ban joke
[06:39] <nixternal> a bad joke :)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[06:40] <Hobbsee> keep a watch on xp_killer.  he's a bit of a troll
[06:40] <coreymon77> nixternal: no, a ban joke
[06:40] <nixternal> Hobbsee: that I know, I have booted him in the past
[06:40] <Hobbsee> nixternal: across how many channels?  :)
[06:40] <nixternal> sometimes though, he can offer some decent help from what I have seen
[06:40] <nixternal> probably 4 :)
[06:40] <coreymon77> ive noticed
[06:40] <coreymon77> hes kinda trolling in kubuntu
[06:40] <Hobbsee> yay, flaccid.
[06:41] <Hobbsee> those two will probably keep egging each other on.
[06:41] <coreymon77> i know
[06:41] <nixternal> hehe
[06:41] <coreymon77> xp_killer is telling people to go against howtos though
[06:41] <nixternal> it is time for some sleep...g'nite everyone
[06:41] <Hobbsee> damn, nixternal
[06:41] <Hobbsee> dont go to sleep
[06:42] <nixternal> hehe
[06:42] <Hobbsee> or at least, kickban any offenders in #Kubuntu before you do
[06:42] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:42] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: just go take care of xp_killer before you go
[06:43] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: night all
[06:43] <coreymon77> i mean
[06:43] <coreymon77> night all
[06:43] <coreymon77> no highlight
[07:05] <Jucato> drat! missed both Hobbsee and coreymon...
[07:06] <daSkreech> That's harsh man :)
[07:06] <Jucato> hehe /me <3 nixternal
[07:06] <Jucato> er..
[07:07] <Jucato> and nothing will change that! not even Vista :)
[07:11] <daSkreech> :-)
[07:20] <n8k99> ah
[07:21] <n8k99> transglobal geek love!!
[07:48] <Jucato> that hurts!
[07:48] <daSkreech> I didn't use the stick!
[07:48] <daSkreech> Pressersation Ctrl+M in konv
[07:49] <Jucato> huh?
[07:49] <daSkreech> Press Ctrl+M in konversation
[07:49] <Jucato> it hides the menu. why?
[07:50] <daSkreech> Does it prompt you?
[07:50] <Jucato> yes
[07:51] <daSkreech> Why don't all K apps do that?
[07:51] <Jucato> afaik most of them have that feature, but disabled by default. not really sure
[07:51] <Jucato> #kde-devel probably?
[07:53] <daSkreech> Why don't we turn them on in Kubuntu?
[07:53] <Jucato> you think he'd agree? :)
[07:54] <daSkreech> I think it's useful enough to not freak out first time users
[07:54] <daSkreech> and it has a button to say don't show me this again
[07:55] <daSkreech> or at least heavy usage apps like amarok and kopete
[07:55] <Jucato> the amarok devs approached the issue by disabling the feature all together
[07:55] <daSkreech> I know I saw
[07:57] <daSkreech> Well bed time
[07:57] <daSkreech> Night night
[07:57] <Jucato> night
[08:36] <allee> morning
[08:37] <daSkreech> morning
[08:38] <Jucato> good morning allee :)
[08:40] <Jucato> +12 hours :)
[08:45] <freeflying> hi all
[09:14] <allee> Fact, like a physical law: everytime of the day is better than an early morning ;-)
[09:21] <mhb> Jucato: it's like this: fosscamp during the weekend, then Mo-Fri is UDS
[09:22] <Jucato> ah I see. thanks for the clarification :)
[09:23] <mhb> Jucato: so it's part of the Canonical summit, but not really part of UDS
[09:23] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[09:23] <_StefanS_> Jucato, mhb !
[09:23] <Jucato> moin _StefanS_
[09:23] <_StefanS_> so wassup kids
[09:23] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:23] <Jucato> going for a short nap.
[09:23] <Jucato> need to store and save energy for tomorrow :)
[09:24] <_StefanS_> Jucato: see you
[09:24] <Jucato> SFD celebration yay!
[09:36] <mhb> hi _StefanS_
[09:54] <_StefanS_> hmm I think the "GDebi Package Installer" should just be named "Package Installer"
[09:54] <_StefanS_> (when rightclicking on a .deb file)
[09:56] <ScottK> I think we shouldn't have it installed by default, but that's not a popular view around here.
[09:56] <ScottK> Hello mhb.
[09:57] <_StefanS_> having it available is nice I think, doesn't hurt. I just sorta hate to spell through the applicationname when I actually just need to identify an action
[10:01] <ScottK> I don't mind it being availalbe, I just think that installed by default leans a bit far forward in encouraging users to install 3rd party crack.
[10:05] <_StefanS_> oh yep.. indeed
[10:05] <_StefanS_> maybe a warning would be suitable
[10:07] <allee> _StefanS_: what's the status of kblueooth kcm paired devices crash?  AFAIR you had a look at it
[10:08] <_StefanS_> allee: right I did, still no progress unfortunately.
[10:09] <_StefanS_> allee: I will try to look at it later
[10:09] <allee> _StefanS_: okay.  I'll keep pestering you ;)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> allee: please do
[10:09] <_StefanS_> allee: the bug is really freaking me out, and there's another on aswell for bt mice, causing it to ask for permission to pair it all the time
[11:26] <allee> _StefanS_: pester (tpatzig?) on #kdeblueooth
[11:27] <_StefanS_> allee: i'll catch him
[12:09] <gomatteo> Hi all. I'm thinking that we don't need python for daemons, like guidance-power-manager or guidance-power-manager
[12:09] <gomatteo> Why not rewrite them in C++?
[12:19] <Jucato> gomatteo: in the meantime, you might want to Google about this. the topic has been discussed/blogged/posted before by the developers of guidance.
[12:19] <hunger> How do I stop that damn strigi applet from getting started?
[12:20] <Jucato> hunger: /usr/share/autostart ?
[12:20] <gomatteo> Jucato: Thanks, I googled but don't find anything useful. I'll search better
[12:21] <hunger> Jucato: There must be a way to turn this of per user or at least one where that applet does not get restarted after each upgrade:-(
[12:21] <Jucato> "should be" vs. "there is"... :(
[12:22] <Jucato> there should be a dialog box asking if the user wants it to be started at login, ala korgac or adept_notifier
[12:31] <allee> _StefanS_: when you merge beta7 please add in kblueplugd after app = on the next line:
[12:31] <allee> if app.isSessionRestored() : quit()
[12:32] <allee> stops kblueplugd that are restored via session management.
[12:40] <_StefanS_> allee: ok
[12:46] <_StefanS_> allee: isn't that part of the kubuntu patches? I was to merge them also
[01:09] <allee> _StefanS_: yes it's kubuntu specific.  But Tonio_ last uploaded pkgs does not contain the fix
[03:07] <milian> since todays upgrade cedega and wine wont work in windowed mode - they make my xorg restart
[03:07] <milian> is there an apt-log or something?
[03:07] <milian> to see which packages were upgraded?
[03:10] <milian> ah, found it
[03:17] <manchicken> Does anybody know who Marco Maini is?
[03:18] <Jucato> sunds family
[03:18] <Jucato> er.. familiar
[03:20] <manchicken> He's putting a lot of nonsensical stuff into adept bugs.  It's kinda... confusing.
[03:20] <LongPointyStick> does it give you an irc nick?
[03:20] <manchicken> maini10 IIRC
[03:21] <manchicken> I've never seen that nick around though.
[03:21] <Jucato> google mostly shows LP stuf
[03:21] <Jucato> stuff*
[03:21] <manchicken> He's in kubuntu-testers and ubuntu-bugsquad
[03:22] <Jucato> oh
[03:22] <\sh> hmmm
[03:22] <\sh> bug 73859 , we are using kdesudo right? not kdesu from kdebase anymore?
[03:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 73859 in kleansweep "Installation of Kleansweep on Ubuntu (Gnome) fails to install kdesu" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/73859
[03:22] <manchicken> But like, bug #136381, he's putting a lot of strange stuff that is more repetitive than useful into the bug reports.
[03:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 136381 in adept "Adept doesn't show changelogs." [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/136381
[03:22] <LongPointyStick> Shely: we're using kdesudo, yes
[03:23] <LongPointyStick> afaik, anyway
[03:23] <\sh> if it's still valid for gutsy
[03:23] <Jucato> LongPointyStick: on Gutsy? yep
[03:23] <Jucato> kdesu is a symlink to kdesudo
[03:24] <manchicken> Did they take away the link that lets us assign bugs to ourselves?
[03:25] <LongPointyStick> no
[03:25] <LongPointyStick> they havent implemented bug hell yet
[03:25] <manchicken> Bug hell?
[03:25] <manchicken> Nevermind
[03:26] <manchicken> The little down-arrow icon is less than obvious.
[03:26] <manchicken> I would consider adept not showing changelogs properly a medium priority.  Would you agree LongPointyStick?
[03:26] <\sh> Jucato, cool...bugs fixed ,-)
[03:27] <milian> ah, it was a driver issue, fixed
[03:28] <manchicken> milian: Isn't it always? :)
[03:28] <milian> most often, yes :)
[03:28] <manchicken> That's what I love about my system76.  It's seldom a driver issue :)
[03:28] <milian> I'll have to test the nvidia packages in the repo again one time
[03:29] <milian> manually installing it works but you see what happens ;-)
[03:31] <\sh> grmpf...the bug is not fixed
[03:31] <manchicken> Well this Marco guy is motivating me to fix bugs by posting his comments on the bug.  Maybe it's not so bad afterall.
[03:31] <\sh> kleansweep doesn't install kdesudo or kdesu from kdebase because there is no dep
[03:48] <mhb> Jucato: It became apparent that I needed to learn packaging whether I liked it or not -- can you guess who said that?
[03:48] <Jucato> me too
[03:48] <Jucato> er.. me
[03:48] <Jucato> I'm just putting it off for now
[03:51] <LongPointyStick> haha
[03:53] <Jucato> oh well... I'll cross the bridge when I get there... sorry mhb
[03:55] <mhb> Jucato: Have Sho_'s comments turned you off?
[03:56] <Jucato> not really
[03:56] <LongPointyStick> what's sho_ saying nwo?
[03:56] <Jucato> I provoked him to comment heheh
[03:56] <Jucato> it did make me pause though :)
[05:23] <nixternal> Hobbsee: you get a chance to do the kubuntu-docs yet? I just updated the docs package I uploaded to http://www.nixternal.com/tmp/docs to close a bug
[05:25] <Jucato> me waves to nixternal
[05:25] <Jucato> oh dang! where did that / go? :?
[05:25] <nixternal> hehe
[05:25] <nixternal> howdy
[05:27] <nixternal> it is a quick and easy upload...but it needs to get uploaded asap for translations to begin
[05:28] <Jucato> nixternal: btw, did you see the comments in #kde yesterday when mhb brought up the request of our translators?
[05:28] <nixternal> Jucato: no I didn't
[05:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: this had better not be crack.
[05:29] <nixternal> Hobbsee: I don't do crack
[05:29] <Hobbsee> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com):
[05:29] <nixternal> and if it was, it is only the docs :)
[05:29] <Hobbsee>   kubuntu-docs_7.10-4.dsc: done.
[05:29] <Hobbsee>   kubuntu-docs_7.10-4.tar.gz:
[05:29] <Hobbsee> oh good
[05:30] <nixternal> I make sure I test build every package and run it locally to make sure
[05:30] <Jucato> nixternal: http://ibot.rikers.org/%23kde/20070913.html.gz
[05:30] <nixternal> well, I didn't this time only because I just updated a string and the pot files, so they don't interfere with the building anyways
[05:30] <Jucato> scroll down to 20.20.33, where troy says "mhb: pong"
[05:31] <Jucato> nixternal: or better yet, 20:38.13 for the exact translation comments
[05:31] <Jucato> (that was 20:20.33 btw)
[05:39] <nixternal> jeesh
[05:39] <nixternal> I will re-read that later..gotta roll to school
[05:39] <nixternal> back in a bit
[05:39] <Jucato> hehe bye
[05:42] <DaSkreech> whhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy??????????
[05:43] <Jucato> your fault duh!
[05:46] <DaSkreech> `It was an offKoast Qtuake
[05:50] <bddebian> Heya
[05:50] <Jucato> hiya
[05:52] <bddebian> Hi Jucato