[12:39] <Netkiller3714> is Kirk having a problem with readin his ntfs drive?
[12:39] <kirk> yes
[12:40] <kirk> Unable to enter file:///harddrive2/. You do not have access rights to this location.
[12:40] <Netkiller3714> ah ok
[12:41] <Netkiller3714> sudo /dev/hdb1 /harddrive2 chmod 00007      I think this might be the way I did it, don't remember though, long time ago.
[12:41] <kirk> im lost, i just switched to kubutnu last night
[12:41] <kirk> never been on any linux ever
[12:41] <Netkiller3714> ya, it's tricky but you'll get used to it.
[12:42] <kirk> sudo: /dev/hdb1: command not found
[12:42] <Netkiller3714> opps
[12:42] <Netkiller3714> lol
[12:42] <jhutchins> sudo mount .... perhaps?
[12:42] <Anarch> I'm still trying to get my Intel 965 chipset to display 1280x1024.  When I override the monitor type in Settings|Peripherals|Monitor&Display, setting it to 1280x1024@60, then hit [Test] , I get X with no window manager or tasks, just the stippled background and the "x" cursor; but there's no way out of that, and then restarting KDM gives me a flickering blue screen.  Back to Plug-n-Play gives me 1024x768.  I've enabled backports & have th
[12:42] <Am3ndment> Hah!
[12:42] <jhutchins> kirk: sudo just gives you root permissions.
[12:42] <Am3ndment> Linux was MUCH easier than i though :D
[12:42] <jhutchins> kirk: so it's sudo <command> <arguments>
[12:42] <kirk> ahh
[12:42] <kirk> noted
[12:43] <kirk> thanks jhutchins
[12:43] <Am3ndment> Only thing that i couldnt get working was wireless :/
[12:43] <jhutchins> kirk: ... aaand make sure you use kdesu instead of sudo for any GUI apps (so they don't save settings as root in your homedir).
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> kirk is the ntfs drive have Windows on it?
[12:44] <kirk> yes
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> sudo mkdir -p /mnt/windows
[12:44] <Netkiller3714> sudo mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/windows -t ntfs -o umask=0222
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> and to unmount, sudo umount /mnt/windows
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> :D
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> replace hda1 with hdb1
[12:45] <kirk> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exis
[12:45] <BluesKaj> Anarch, have you tried to find your monitor& graphics card in the admin mode / configure and reset the driver there ?
[12:45] <Netkiller3714> kirk, replace hda1 with hdb1 then do it XD
[12:47] <kirk> same thing
[12:47] <kirk> mount: mount point /mnt/windows does not exist
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> do you have ntfs-3g installed?
[12:48] <kirk> yes
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> ok
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 /mnt/windows
[12:48] <Netkiller3714> try that
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> ntfs-3g /dev/hdb1 -o silent,umask=0,locale=en_US.utf8
[12:49] <kirk> bash: /usr/bin/ntfs-3g: Permission denied
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> this one will give you full access
[12:49] <BluesKaj> i still think he need ntfs-config as well
[12:49] <Netkiller3714> ya. Thats what I'm thinking to
[12:50] <Netkiller3714> kirk
[12:50] <Netkiller3714> gksu ntfs-config
[12:51] <BluesKaj> prolly needs to install it , doesn't come with ntfs-3g
[12:51] <Netkiller3714> I know, I'm checking
[12:51] <BluesKaj> and remember he prolly using kde so the command is kdesu
[12:51] <kirk> i install ntfs-config
[12:52] <Netkiller3714> ah ya
[12:52] <kirk> done
[12:52] <kirk> yes im using kde
[12:52] <Netkiller3714> kirk go do kdesu ntfs-config and tell us what it says.
[12:52] <rotman> Hi all.. Is it posible to get a login screen where you can mouse-select the users in Kubuntu? (like the default KDE login screen)
[12:53] <kirk> NTFS write configuration tool
[12:53] <kirk> enable or internal device
[12:53] <kirk> for^
[12:53] <Netkiller3714> enable
[12:53] <jordo23> In Kubuntu I have VNC working but would like to be able to connect without having to Accept the connection on my end. To contact computer from work, etc. Is it possible to tell Desktop Sharing to always accept incoming connections as long as I have a password setup on tightvnc?
[12:54] <kirk> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[12:54] <kirk>   Major opcode:  144
[12:54] <kirk>   Minor opcode:  3
[12:54] <kirk>   Resource id:  0x0
[12:54] <kirk> Failed to open device
[12:54] <Netkiller3714> argh
[12:54] <kirk> it said that 4 times
[12:54] <Netkiller3714> probably for each hd platter
[12:55] <kirk> this is really complicated
[12:55] <Netkiller3714> yup
[12:55] <kirk> i'm lovin it
[12:55] <Netkiller3714> well, I gave you the commands but it's just not working. Thats weird.
[12:56] <rems> Bonjour
[12:56] <Netkiller3714> #kubuntu/fr
[12:56] <dappermuis> kirk, that X error always occurs when you try run a X application from the command line
[12:56] <dappermuis> kirk, the app should still run though
[12:56] <Netkiller3714> #fr-kubuntu
[12:57] <kirk> what app? im trying to add a hard drive
[12:57] <kirk> mount: according to mtab, /dev/hdb1 is already mounted on /harddrive2
[12:57] <kirk> mount failed
[12:57] <dappermuis> for the kdesuntfs-config
[12:57] <dappermuis> ok, so its already mounted - whats the problem?
[12:57] <Netkiller3714> lol
[12:57] <Netkiller3714> thats why theres been an error
[12:58] <kirk> it says it mounted but when i try to go to /harddrive2
[12:58] <kirk> i get
[12:58] <Netkiller3714> It's already mounted
[12:58] <kirk> Unable to enter file:///harddrive2/. You do not have access rights to this location.
[12:58] <dappermuis> ooh wait, lemme gues - access denied when you try to access it
[12:58] <Netkiller3714> lol now we see
[12:58] <dappermuis> try "kdesu konqueror /harddrive2
[12:58] <kirk> voila
[12:58] <dappermuis> that should work, and then you'll see that your problem is a permissions issue
[12:59] <kirk> so how do i change the permissions
[12:59] <kirk> yes opened my other hard drive in a new window :)
[12:59] <kirk> finallllllly lol thanks so much
[12:59] <dappermuis> np, just remember you wont be able to access it as a normal user
[01:00] <dappermuis> you need to mount it with the correct permissions to do that
[01:00] <christoph> hey anybody an idea how i can configure nvidia that i have twinview?
[01:00] <Netkiller3714> your gonna have to change the permissions on it
[01:00] <kirk> how do u change its permissions?
[01:00] <christoph> nvidia geforce 7600
[01:00] <dappermuis> "man mount"
[01:01] <dappermuis> !mount
[01:01] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:01] <dappermuis> check out those resources
[01:01] <Anarch> BluesKaj: Yes, I have overridden plug & play using admin mode.  The menu there doesn't offer "intel" (which should supercede i810), so I also ran sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and told it not to autodetect the monitor.
[01:02] <kirk> hmm ok ill have to do some research
[01:02] <NickPresta> !xine
[01:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xine - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:02] <dappermuis> kirk, that's the best way to learn - then in the future you can advise other people on how to do it :)
[01:04] <jordo23> Does flash 9.0.48 work in Konqueror?
[01:04] <kirk> doesnt make sense though, i have any multiuser setup
[01:04] <kirk> i just installed kubuntu last night
[01:05] <kirk> this is should have complete access
[01:05] <dappermuis> kirk, all users will  have access to their home directories yes
[01:06] <dappermuis> but as a security setting only the super user has access to other partitions/devices
[01:06] <dappermuis> you need to specifically allow other users to access those devices
[01:06] <kirk> hmm i need to upgrade to super user then
[01:06] <dappermuis> no, thats not the solution
[01:06] <dappermuis> you need to mount the partition with the option for users to access it
[01:07] <dappermuis> admittedly, its not as easy as i'm making it out to be
[01:08] <kirk> hey i figured it out without reading anything
[01:08] <dappermuis> hehe, excellent!
[01:08] <dappermuis> what did you do?
[01:08] <kirk> i went to system settings,advanced, into admin mode, changed the permissions on hdb1
[01:08] <dappermuis> nice one :)
[01:09] <dappermuis> though now you probably want to set up fstab to mount the drive automatically in the future
[01:09] <dappermuis> with the correct permissions
[01:09] <dappermuis> check out http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_Mount_NTFS_Partitions
[01:10] <kirk> wooooooooooooooo thanks u people
[01:12] <dappermuis> np :)
[01:20] <judgen> is there an app for controlling different speaker settings
[01:20] <BluesKaj> what speaker settings ?
[01:21] <kirk> !groups
[01:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about groups - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:21] <ScorpKing> dappermuis: please join #kubuntu-offtopic
[01:21] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, why?
[01:22] <ScorpKing> don't want to praat nonsens here. :)
[01:22] <kirk> !clock
[01:22] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:22] <kirk> is there anyway to get it off military time?
[01:22] <level1> hi, google suggest hasn't been working on konqueror for me recently
[01:22] <level1> kirk: I know how
[01:22] <dappermuis> ScorpKing, lol i see, so you want to praat nonsense elsewhere
[01:22] <kirk> ive been trying to figure it out
[01:22] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:22] <level1> kirk: right click, and go to "date and time format"
[01:22] <judgen> BluesKaj: i want to set 2 speakers only and disable all other channels.
[01:23] <judgen> BluesKaj:  im waring headphones
[01:23] <BluesKaj> kirk,right click on the clocl/adjust time & date formay
[01:23] <level1> kirk: and then play around
[01:23] <root__> alguien de argentina ?
[01:23] <level1> kirk: but military time is so cool!!!
[01:23] <BluesKaj> judgen, alsamixer in the terminal
[01:24] <dappermuis> lol, i love it how people call it military time
[01:24] <dappermuis> we just call it a 24 hour clock
[01:24] <BluesKaj> !es | root__
[01:24] <ubotu> root__: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[01:24] <level1> why is the clock in 24 time by default?
[01:24] <level1> !root | root__
[01:24] <ubotu> root__: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[01:24] <level1> sorry, but its just funny
[01:25] <judgen> BluesKaj:  alsamixer has same stuff as kmix afaik. Im trying to get some higher volumes. I can hardly hear the sound as its so low. Even at maximim levels.
[01:25] <kirk> brb
[01:25] <hitmanWilly> level1, most unix systems run on a 24 hr clock, therefore, so do unix's descendants
[01:25] <BluesKaj> dappermuis, that's an american observation, not many americans use the 24 hr clock , just their military
[01:26] <dappermuis> BluesKaj, yes I know - its still funny though :)
[01:26] <level1> hitmanWilly: yeah, most unix systems use CDE, too.  That doesn't mean my desktop needs to be ugly... although, I do like 24 time
[01:26] <BluesKaj> judgen,, check your "Input levels" in kmix
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> level1, CDE has its own functional beauty to it, but yeah...
[01:27] <hitmanWilly> level1, then again, i think the console looks good, too :P
[01:27] <judgen> BluesKaj:  does not seem to matter if i put them at max or at the bottome
[01:28] <level1> hitmanWilly: I'm thinking I might create a kde style to imitate an ncurses interface... it looks cool in my brain
[01:28] <level1> hitmanWilly: that kind of thing doesn't already exsist, does it?
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> level1, you'll be one of about three people using it...lol
[01:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> i think he just found a way to get intelikey to use a gui.
[01:28] <hitmanWilly> level1, not that i've seen
[01:29] <hitmanWilly> lol
[01:29] <level1> Daisuke-Laptop: not possible!
[01:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> i pick on intelikey too much, he's good people.
[01:29] <BluesKaj> IN-put judgen, and make sure the the MIX "switch"  turned on in kmix
[01:30] <level1> ugh, where did google suggest go?
[01:32] <judgen> BluesKaj:  mix switch?
[01:34] <BluesKaj> judgen open kmix 'switches tab , make sure the 'mix' light is turned on
[01:36] <hitmanWilly> BluesKaj, here's to hoping
[01:36] <pillowpants> why isnt nvidia-legacy-kernel in the repos?
[01:36] <judgen> BluesKaj: the swithces tab has only two dropdown options. both says input source and one is set to mic and the other to line in
[01:36] <judgen> there is no mix option
[01:36] <Daisuke-Laptop> !info nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:36] <ubotu> nvidia-glx-legacy: NVIDIA binary XFree86 4.x/X.Org 'legacy' driver. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.0.7184+2.6.20.5-16.29 (feisty), package size 2992 kB, installed size 9780 kB
[01:36] <pillowpants> i can only see the source
[01:36] <level1> pillowpants: do you have mulitverse enabled?
[01:36] <pillowpants> yeah, its all enabled
[01:37] <pillowpants> i only see 'nvidia-legacy-kernel-source'
[01:37] <pillowpants> or is that it?
[01:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> listerfiend - it's nvidia-glx-legacy
[01:37] <pillowpants> does it compile from sources?
[01:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> no, it's a closed source driver
[01:37] <BluesKaj> judgen, check again , there should be 6 or 7
[01:37] <pillowpants> thats what i thought
[01:38] <hitmanWilly> Daisuke-Laptop, no, he's talking about the newer kernel interface modules
[01:38] <Daisuke-Laptop> the kernel module has to be compiled from source though, but the nvidia-glx-legacy package does that for you
[01:38] <judgen> BluesKaj: only 2
[01:38] <judgen> in mine
[01:38] <pillowpants> so i only install the nvidia-glx-legacy?
[01:38] <pillowpants> and uninstall the nvidia-kernel-common?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> not the dropdowns judgen , i mean the ctrls with lights
[01:39] <bigleon> Woo downloads
[01:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> nvidia-glx-legacy probably depends on that kernel package
[01:39] <bigleon> Hey level1, i madea  7.04 live cd
[01:39] <judgen> BluesKaj:  dont got any of those in the switches tab
[01:39] <bigleon> and it has buncha crazy issues
[01:39] <Daisuke-Laptop> so you may as well keep it
[01:39] <brad_> my wireless connection is acting like a crazy person, and it seems to be both the wireless card and the router
[01:39] <bigleon> it won't start graphiccly
[01:40] <BluesKaj> judgen, then that's as far as I can go ...bummer
[01:40] <judgen> BluesKaj:  hmmm
[01:40] <judgen> thanks anyways
[01:41] <level1> bigleon: you mean an alternate install cd or just teh regular cd?
[01:41] <BluesKaj> judgen, check the volume control on your speakers themselves
[01:42] <bigleon> regular
[01:42] <bigleon> i'm fixxing to download the alternate
[01:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  tried that too, and even with headphones its extremly low
[01:42] <judgen> BluesKaj:  but in BeOS and Windows i get perfect sound by setting the speaker configs to headphones...
[01:43] <bigleon> yeah i just started the dl on wget :D
[01:43] <level1> bigleon: did you try to start in the safe graphics more?
[01:43] <bigleon> yeah that didn't work level1
[01:43] <elvin> ?  But it ends up dissapearing in the heat..
[01:43] <level1> bigleon: let me check, there should be a bug report about this
[01:44] <brad_> hmmm so I think both my wireless card and wireless router are acting strange seperately
[01:44] <brad_> because generally I have to reset my whole computer or the wireless router or both
[01:45] <BluesKaj> judgen , some input level is turned down or the system setttings /sound system isn't configured
[01:45] <judgen> BluesKaj:  how do i configure alsa better then?
[01:46] <bigleon> if i understand i'm using the same laptop as you level1
[01:47] <BluesKaj> judgen, have you opened alsamixer in the terminal and unmuted all the crtls ?
[01:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> where can I find information about creating my own splash screen for when I log into kubuntu?
[01:48] <bigleon> one sec gundam
[01:48] <bigleon> i'll look
[01:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> thank you bigleon
[01:48] <level1> gundam_rx78nt1: I would also like to know that
[01:49] <bigleon> I think you ought to check out www.kde-look.org i'm sure some resources should be available there.
[01:49] <judgen> BluesKaj:  yes
[01:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> thanks, I just started to work with Linux and want to customize it like some people has...
[01:50] <bigleon> hey if you make a really sweet Grim Reaper theme, let me know cause i really want one like that
[01:51] <_2> anyone in here ever use "wakeonlan" or "etherwake" ?      and don't "!ask" at me...
[01:51] <bigleon> _2 i've never used it, but hey, check out google you can find someone who have.
[01:51] <_2> if no one has used either then the question is moot
[01:52] <_2> bigleon if i can't talk with those that have then knowing who they are is worth nothing.
[01:53] <groeg> hello? anyone there?
[01:53] <level1> groeg: what was your problem?
[01:53] <BluesKaj> judgen, you have ' advanced linux sound architecture ' selected in system settings / sound system/hardware/select audio device
[01:54] <level1> damn, launchpad is refusing to let me post a bug
[01:54] <pillowpants> !flash
[01:54] <level1> it says "there is 1 error" but it doesn't say what the error is
[01:54] <groeg> i installed feisty kubuntu on my toshiba satellite A70 and the cpu fan just keeps running thus being really noisy. is there a way to control my fan?
[01:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[01:54] <ScorpKing> groeg: clean the fan
[01:54] <pillowpants> how have the rest of you gotten flash to work for firefox?
[01:55] <bigleon> _2 well i've found alot of resources over google. whats your problem just curious.
[01:55] <groeg> ScorpKing: Thanks but there must be an easier way
[01:55] <level1> bigleon: subscribe to this bug report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/139505
[01:55] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:55] <_2> i'll go ahead and explain what i have found.   both etherwake and wakeonlan work as they should, unless linux has powered off the box with the "init 0" halt command.   in which case one must physically press the power button.   you can power on then right back off before it boots and then wakeonlan and etherwake both work again.      so i concluded that linux is leaving code either in the nic or ram that interfears with the power on
[01:55] <bigleon> Alright Level1, Good evenign ScorpKing
[01:56] <groeg> level1: i installed feisty kubuntu on my toshiba satellite A70 and the cpu fan just keeps running thus being really noisy. is there a way to control my fan?
[01:56] <ScorpKing> hi bigleon! your computer behaving today? konversation kicks me off now and then.
[01:56] <level1> groeg: lol, don't repeat youself, you'll wear yourself out... well, hmmm
[01:57] <groeg> ScorpKing: I found programs for other laptop computers to control fan speed but haven't found one yet that does the same for mine. isn't there a generic one for all laptops etc
[01:57] <level1> groeg: I don't own that computer, but there might be something in the acpi
[01:57] <bigleon> ScorpKing haha i'm back at 6.06 again...
[01:57] <ScorpKing> ok
[01:57] <level1> groeg: usually thats controlled by the hardware though
[01:57] <groeg> level1: sorry...just thought you didn't see it
[01:57] <bigleon> ScorpKing yeah gotta love my luck with linux
[01:57] <_2> thus i was wondering if anyone had ever worked with such an issue.   if maybe flushing the nic before power off would help...
[01:57] <ScorpKing> bigleon: i'm sure there's a way to install via ftp.
[01:57] <dthacker> _2: that's wacky.
[01:58] <draik> Hello everyone. How is everyone doing today/tonight?
[01:58] <_2> dthacker meaning ?
[01:58] <dthacker> meaning based on my limited knowledge, it shouldn't do that.
[01:58] <groeg> level1: i bet it's hardware controlled but for instance there's a program for sony vaio laptops: fansilencer
[01:58] <_2> of course it shouldn't.  but it does.
[01:58] <dthacker> wacky can be a technical term :)
[01:58] <bigleon> Level1 when i use that alternate disk i'm going to need to install something b-4 i run that right?
[01:59] <groeg> isn't there one that works for my laptop also?
[01:59] <level1> bigleon: wait, what?
[01:59] <level1> groeg: well, a vaio and a toshiba are different
[01:59] <bigleon> level1 i'm getting that alternative install, so i need to install a particular driver b-4 i should run the install right?
[02:00] <ScorpKing> bigleon: not that i know of.
[02:00] <draik> Anyone here know about installing/running/using Yellowdog in PS3?
[02:00] <level1> bigleon: well, the alternate install cd won't give you a chance to do that.  What you should do is install, try to boot your newly installed ubuntu, and then if it doesn't boot, theres things you can do
[02:00] <_2> dthacker linux also leaves code in one of my cdrom drives which causes "boot failure" in windows.  requires hard reset to correct.
[02:00] <bigleon> wtf my wget keeps stopping after a few moments
[02:00] <level1> bigleon: use kget or something
[02:01] <bigleon> kget command not found
[02:01] <_2> although i boot that box to that os so seldomly that it isn't an issue to me.
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: are you on the command line?
[02:01] <bigleon> yup
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: why not just boot into X?
[02:01] <bigleon> huh?
[02:01] <level1> bigleon: switch to vesa
[02:01] <bigleon> well i'm on my 6.06
[02:02] <level1> bigleon: X is the substructure that allows kde or gnome to run
[02:02] <level1> bigleon: I'm pretty sure 6.06 had X
[02:02] <bigleon> yea
[02:02] <ScorpKing> bigleon: do a google search for installation instructions of the older versions of ubuntu. back then it was mostly an alternative install cd.
[02:02] <bigleon> well 6.06 works on my laptop
[02:02] <level1> not an expert
[02:02] <_2> level1 only if you install X  :)
[02:02] <dthacker> ?
[02:02] <bigleon> okay... alright
[02:03] <bigleon> level1 you running e1705 right?
[02:03] <level1> wait, was that version delayed?  it should be 6.04
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: yeah
[02:03] <_2> dthacker give me a sec i'll check
[02:03] <bigleon> so what did you do to get 7.04 running?
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: run it?
[02:03] <bigleon> you just put the disk in and it worked first try?
[02:03] <dthacker> bigleon: I loaded it. and it worked.
[02:03] <level1> bigleon: oh, right, I had to install fglrx from the command line to get the cd to boot
[02:04] <level1> dthacker: you have that laptop?
[02:04] <bigleon> okay what do i need to write when i'm in command line
[02:04] <_2> dthacker LNT403
[02:04] <bigleon> and then what?
[02:04] <level1> bigleon: sudo apt-get install xorg-driver-fglrx
[02:04] <dthacker> _2: googling
[02:04] <bigleon> and then?
[02:04] <level1> boot?
[02:04] <_2> dthacker  2.6.15-28-386 kernel
[02:05] <bigleon> so when i boot up the disk
[04:05] (bigleon/#kubuntu) yeah there was nothing there for me intelikey
[04:06] <mrksbrd> ok i got my router to connect but will not assign an ip address....any ideas????
[04:06] <bigleon> set up your DHCP mrksbrd
[04:06] <bigleon> you ought to just set that stuff up manually
[04:07] <mrksbrd> should auto dhcp
[04:07] <bigleon> i'd turn off dhcp and set it manually
[04:07] <mrksbrd> ok let me try...brb
[04:07] <bigleon> Good luck
[04:08] <rgrolemund> well so far with the ps2 mouse everything still working
[04:08] <rgrolemund> the usb mouse woulda locked up by now
[04:11] <intelikey> rgrolemund then i sujest that it's probably something that kubuntu does to try to auto/detect/mount usb things that is causing the issue with your sub mouse.
[04:11] <rgrolemund> ya
[04:11] <rgrolemund> altough my keyboard isusing the same wireless device and nvr locks up
[04:11] <intelikey> possable memory leak,  or something respawning to quickly...
[04:11] <rgrolemund> odd eh?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> nite all , sacktime here
[04:12] <rgrolemund> night blue
[04:12] <ScorpKing> night
[04:12] <intelikey> not really odd.  just 'notable'.
[04:13] <rgrolemund> so its not the usb locking up, just the mouse ceasing to work
[04:13] <intelikey> yes, seems that way.
[04:13] <rgrolemund> u think it is compiz though?>
[04:14] <intelikey> i wouldn't put it past it.   try using the usb mouse and not running compiz   see what it does.
[04:14] <bigleon> hey scorpking if you ever find people having problems with dellwireless mini card send them here. http://dhashi.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/ubuntu-704-on-a-dell-inspiron-710m/
[04:14] <ScorpKing> will remember that. thanks
[04:15] <rgrolemund> will try that intel
[04:15] <bigleon> i'm going to start making a collection of "usefull" links as i go through with my comp
[04:15] <rgrolemund> apprec the advice
[04:15] <intelikey> ScorpKing i'm having problems with dellwireless mini card, any clues ?
[04:15] <intelikey> :)
[04:15] <Xero> Hooray for K!
[04:15] <ScorpKing> lol. nope, nothing here. :P
[04:15] <bigleon> Rofl
[04:15] <intelikey> :)
[04:16] <bigleon> You should add that to bot haha
[04:16] <bigleon> DellMiniWireless issues :D
[04:16] <ScorpKing> short term sellective memory
[04:16] <joseph_> hello everyone
[04:16] <bigleon> hello Joseph how can we help you?/
[04:16] <intelikey> you can submit it.    'ubotu DellMiniWireless is ....'
[04:17] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[04:17] <joseph_> nothing really...just watching what people are saying...f
[04:17] <bigleon> ubotu DellMiniWireless  You can find assitance to install you card on Fiesty at http://dhashi.wordpress.com/2007/06/10/ubuntu-704-on-a-dell-inspiron-710m/
[04:17] <joseph_> installed today
[04:17] <intelikey> joseph_ i'm a first time linux user too...
[04:17] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with Checkinstall to work with an APTonCD disc?
[04:17] <bigleon> like that?
[04:17] <bigleon> i'm so confused i need more caffine
[04:17] <rgrolemund> 2 weeks on linux here
[04:18] <ScorpKing> !DellMiniWireless
[04:18] <bigleon> i'm watching mission impossible while working on my computer lol
[04:18] <rgrolemund> microsoft finally made me mad enough
[04:18] <joseph_> i am loving it so far
[04:18] <intelikey> ScorpKing the request will havc to be approved first.
[04:18] <enotee> i just  azune  can i use it with amarok
[04:18] <bigleon> lol
[04:18] <enotee> i just a zune  can i use it with amarok
[04:19] <ScorpKing> i see. lol. <ubotu> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[04:19] <bigleon> Rofl
[04:19] <bigleon> it should have something like "Hey Enistine did you try Google?"
[04:19] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:19] <bigleon> just finished MI 1 off to MI 2 woot
[04:19] <Daisuke-Laptop> hi everyone, long-time listener, first time caller
[04:20] <hitmanWilly> i think the #debian bot has that...lol
[04:20] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:20] <intelikey> bigleon that's #debian mentality.   abuse the poor till they no longer trubble your channel.
[04:20] <joseph_> hello daisuke
[04:21] <Daisuke-Laptop> i was just wondering, linux can do everything else for me, can it get bloodstains out of a bearskin rug?  please hurry, i can already hear the sirens >_>
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> ...and everything gets very very quiet...
[04:22] <coreymon77> bigleon: and for you, it should of said something like "Hey Einstein, did you try learning how to spell?"
[04:22] <bigleon> brb
[04:22] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:22] <coreymon77> Daisuke-Laptop: ...
[04:22] <Xero> coreymon77, and for you, it should have something like "You're a prick!"
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> o_O
[04:22] <coreymon77> Xero: wow, thats a little harsh
[04:22] <Daisuke-Laptop> that wasn't appropriate
[04:23] <Xero> lol
[04:23] <n8k99> Daisuke-Laptop: are you using a Raiser File System?
[04:23] <ScorpKing> Xero: be nice
[04:23] <coreymon77> Xero: everyone here knows that it was just a friendly joke
[04:23] <Xero> I just don't like it when people pick on others for spelling.
[04:23] <coreymon77> right everyone?
[04:23] <Daisuke-Laptop> n8k99: someone caught it!
[04:23] <intelikey> !conduct
[04:23] <ubotu> The Ubuntu Code of Conduct to which we ask all Ubuntu users to adhere can be found at http://www.ubuntu.com/community/conduct/
[04:23] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:23] <coreymon77> hey, i make typos too
[04:23] <shinda> hey guys, i know this is a noob question but how do I get to my KDE panel settings (not the settings dialog you get when you right click the panel and go configure), but the dialog that lets me select between indiviaul pannels and configure each
[04:23] <n8k99> Daisuke-Laptop: i had that problem before, Google is your friend
[04:23] <hitmanWilly> man, i can't believe i missed the reiser joke
[04:24] <bigleon> alright i'm back
[04:24] <Xero> We all make typos...
[04:24] <coreymon77> and when i do, people are free to crack a joke at me
[04:24] <Daisuke-Laptop> hitmanWilly: they should be able to find out what happened to nina very easily, go through the journal
[04:24] <intelikey> Xero not me, i just can't spell.
[04:24] <bigleon> and trust me i always get corey back :D maybe not now, but i will
[04:24] <hitmanWilly> XD
[04:24] <intelikey> :)
[04:25] <Daisuke-Laptop> actually, i'm trying to figure out why i can never get svideo working
[04:25] <shinda> nvm got it, kcontrl for thsoe interested
[04:25] <ScorpKing> :D
[04:25] <intelikey> shinda you can do that from the right click also.
[04:26] <steven_> Found the compiz fix in the forums.  Apparently you have to reset the settings to the default after this latest update
[04:26] <shinda> intelikey - It doesn't give me the option to select between the different pannels just shows me information for the default pannel
[04:26] <intelikey> possably more obscure, but it's there
[04:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: he's right, it isn't
[04:27] <intelikey> well.   let me recant.   can on all ubuntu/kde up to and including dapper.  i haven't seen anything after that.  so it "could" have changed.     (but it didn't)
[04:27] <shinda> intelikey, check it out because for me theres no drop down list like there is in kcontrol, all the other dialogs are the same just missing that one list
[04:27] <contrast83> shinda: Have you restarted KDE since adding/removing panels? Sometimes the configuration dialog doesn't recognize new ones until you do that (or you might also just try running "dcop kicker kicker restart")
[04:27] <Daisuke-Laptop> i had that problem working with multiple panels in kde, it's only available through kcontrol
[04:28] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: it did change
[04:29] <gib> Is anyone in here running 64-bit Firefox?
[04:29] <rgrolemund> ya
[04:29] <shinda> contrast83, no never restarted but ya that may just be it, but Kcontrol seems to be a much more convinient option, but one question anyone know how I can have 2 panels on the same level? like I want two pannels to take up the top row each at 50% (I'm using dual monitors so want to have a kicker bar on each screen.
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> unfortunately
[04:29] <crane> i downloaded tcl8.4.9-src.tar.gz to my desktop... I am trying to figure out exactly how an where i want to extract this too an how to compile it correctly... any help please?
[04:29] <intelikey> Daisuke-Laptop when ?
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> shinda: you cannot do that
[04:29] <gib> Have you had issues with 128 bit encryption?
[04:29] <rgrolemund> newp
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> intelikey: apparently with edgy or feisty
[04:29] <Daisuke-Laptop> the multiple panel options are not available anywhere but kcontrol
[04:29] <contrast83> KControl pwns System Settings
[04:29] <intelikey> don't think edgy   heard to much about the bug in edgy.
[04:30] <rgrolemund> only probs i have are streaming content
[04:30] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: Umm... Sorry, but you're wrong (unless you're speaking strictly for yourself, and if that is the case on your system, something's wrong).
[04:30] <gib> My uncle can assess his bank account fine with Firefox on his 32-bit system, but not with Firefox on his 64-bit system.
[04:30] <rgrolemund> weird
[04:30] <rgrolemund> ya i check by bank account daily
[04:30] <flaccid> contact bank
[04:30] <rgrolemund> kubuntu 7.04 amd64
[04:30] <crane> any help please?
[04:31] <flaccid> !ask
[04:31] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[04:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: um, no, no i'm not, but thanks for playing, here's your consolation prize.
[04:31] <intelikey> interesting.   they nuked a config option because it required a kicker restart....   not very consistant of kde     or did the  ubuntu team do that...  that would be consistant of them.
[04:31] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:31] <Daisuke-Laptop> and yes i have restarted kicker since then
[04:31] <crane> I asked an hour ago waited for a response nothin so i asked again nothin for a bit so then i asked for help pls.. so sorry
[04:32] <gib> Hmm.  I'm not sure what else would cause the difference.  I even got flash working for him with the wrapper.
[04:32] <flaccid> crane: yeah you only need to ask once
[04:32] <rgrolemund> [21:29]  <crane> i downloaded tcl8.4.9-src.tar.gz to my desktop... I am trying to figure out exactly how an where i want to extract this too an how to compile it correctly... any help please?
[04:32] <flaccid> gib: bank probably doesn't support
[04:32] <crane> that was the second time rgrolemund
[04:32] <bigleon> Scorpking i don't think you really love us
[04:33] <intelikey> !b-e
[04:33] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[04:33] <ScorpKing> bigleon: :P sais who?
[04:33] <bigleon> says me
[04:33] <bigleon> :D
[04:33] <intelikey> crane - rgrolemund ^
[04:33] <rgrolemund> no no i was copying his
[04:33] <ScorpKing> bigleon: then it doesn't count. :D
[04:33] <rgrolemund> i know how to compile :P
[04:33] <bigleon> lol
[04:33] <rgrolemund> well, before i get yelled at again
[04:34] <rgrolemund> is alien ok to use?
[04:34] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:34] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: Maybe your kickerrc got borked somewhere along the lines, because I've *never* had that problem.
[04:34] <intelikey> rgrolemund yes i saw that it was a copy.    that's why i included you with his post.
[04:34] <rgrolemund> *hides*
[04:35] <gib> flaccid, what specifically would the bank need to do differently to support 64-bit vs 32-bit?
[04:35] <intelikey> so that rather than taking over,   i could just point both of you at that link and let you help him rgrolemund
[04:35] <contrast83> In the one or two times I've used Alien, I haven't had problems with it.
[04:35] <gib> I'd think that should be transparent
[04:36] <intelikey> dragonsfoot would be a good name ?
[04:37] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: just because you haven't had the problem doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist.
[04:37] <flaccid> gib: nothing. still doesn't support them US sniffing etc. what actually happens... why does it actually not work
[04:37] <flaccid> US sniffing= UA string sniffing
[04:38] <gib> It doesn't give any error message, login is simply never succeeds, but works fine with 32-bit.
[04:38] <contrast83> Daisuke-Laptop: I didn't say that, but over the course of dozens of different Kubuntu installs on nearly ten different computers, I'd say that if you run into it, something preventable is going wrong somewhere. Just trying to help, man. :-)
[04:38] <flaccid> what does never succeeds mean?
[04:38] <flaccid> !doesntwork
[04:38] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:39] <rgrolemund> if i miss something sorry, switching back and forth between irc and world of warcraft
[04:39] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:39] <rgrolemund> lol
[04:39] <rgrolemund> ya really
[04:39] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall?
[04:40] <Daisuke-Laptop> contrast83: by default, kicker doesn't have multiple panels, so over the course of dozens of installs on nearly ten different computers, unless you're customizing kde well beyond the norm, you wouldn't run into that problem.
[04:40] <gib> I didn't do it first hand, I'm just going by what he tells me:  that he can get on every time with 32-bit, and never with 64-bit.  Asked if he gets any error messages and he said no.
[04:40] <contrast83> I customize KDE well beyond the norm. ;-)
[04:40] <SUb-IN-acls> evening
[04:41] <rgrolemund> yo sub
[04:41] <SUb-IN-acls> i have a question about madwifi
[04:41] <shinda> Daisuke-Laptop looks like you can get them at the same level, you just need to enable hiding on the panel
[04:41] <bigleon> scorpking say what?
[04:41] <flaccid> gib: well that doesn't help. we don't even know the actual behaviour..... try UA spoofing...
[04:42] <ScorpKing> bigleon: as little as possible. :P
[04:42] <gib> I could try to log on myself, I suppose but I really don't want to know it account info/password, and have access to her personal info.
[04:42] <bigleon> I'm going to start my theme project tommrow probbaly :D
[04:42] <gib> his
[04:43] <ScorpKing> bigleon: lol. keep me posted.
[04:43] <bigleon> will do
[04:43] <bigleon> i'm prolly going to get a freeweb site up for the project
[04:43] <flaccid> gib: no required. ask him what is actually happening instead of 'it doesn't work'
[04:43] <crane> ok i read that site and it didnt tell me anything i dont already know
[04:43] <crane> I keep getting an error when trying to compile
[04:43] <crane> and I dont understand it
[04:44] <contrast83> crane: Could you pastebin the error?
[04:44] <crane> checking system version (for dynamic loading)... ./configure: line 7338: syntaxerror near unexpected token `)'
[04:44] <crane> ./configure: line 7338: `       OSF*)'
[04:44] <ScorpKing> bigleon: there are some available with up to 200MB space and no popups/ads
[04:44] <flaccid> if you don't understand compiling probably something you shouldn't /need to be doing
[04:44] <contrast83> crane: What are you compiling?
[04:44] <flaccid> crane: yeah we don't help with compilation generally here as kubuntu uses packages
[04:44] <dimsum> i get these error when running adept: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1), any workaround?
[04:45] <contrast83> !adept-fix
[04:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adept-fix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:45] <crane> flaccid: actually I am trying to learn things... I am sure linux developers like people trying to learn how to use the stuff they develop
[04:45] <contrast83> !adeptfix
[04:45] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[04:45] <bigleon> really? would you pm the link?
[04:45] <flaccid> crane: yeah, but this is kubuntu support channel..
[04:45] <ScorpKing> bigleon: if i can find it. gimme sec...
[04:45] <flaccid> crane: ##linux
[04:46] <contrast83> crane: What are you trying to compile?
[04:46] <crane> tcl
[04:46] <gib> That's easier said than done.  :)  I'll try again, but he's had a brain injury and dyslexia to boot, so it's hard getting accurate info out of him.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> just install from the repos
[04:46] <contrast83> Is it a stable release, or bleeding edge?
[04:46] <flaccid> crane: why do you need to compile it. its in repos.
[04:46] <Daisuke-Laptop> learning compilation is nice, but there's *no reason to*
[04:46] <crane> I did however the repos does not have the version i need
[04:47] <dimsum> @ubotu, this is one of the error message: dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure):
[04:48] <ScorpKing> bigleon: see /pm
[04:49] <rgrolemund> o.O
[04:50] <crane> thanks everyone i figured out the problem
[04:50] <rgrolemund> cool
[04:50] <contrast83> crane: What was it?
[04:51] <pillowpants> boy, automatix seems pretty shady
[04:51] <crane> for some reason the tar file i downloaded was corrupted/missing a file... I just redownloaded from another place an it worked fine
[04:51] <pillowpants> after looking at it, i dont advise its use
[04:51] <crane> never ran into a problem like that
[04:52] <contrast83> I was thinking it'd be something like that. From my (albeit very limited) experience, syntax errors usually means something's wrong with whatever you're trying to compile.
[04:52] <bigleon> setting up account, i'll have my forums up by tommrow hopefully
[04:53] <ScorpKing> :D
[04:53] <ScorpKing> send me the link.
[04:54] <bigleon> yeah
[04:54] <bigleon> i have my domain dtgaming.com but i don't think that fit my theme so i'm gonna get a free subdomain
[04:55] <linuxbie> algun viruker en esta noche
[04:55] <ScorpKing> bigleon: you can get free domain names as well.
[04:55] <naknomik> Does kubuntu support a 3D desktop like Ubuntu does with Compiz?
[04:56] <nb72> compiz works on kubuntu as well, I'm running it now
[04:56] <crane> ScorpKing: where do you get free domain names?
[04:56] <Dragnslcr> Yes, Beryl and Compiz run on KDE
[04:56] <naknomik> nb72: Dragnslcr: how do I install those? Is there an option like 'Desktop Effects' in Kubuntu?
[04:56] <ScorpKing> .za.org or .za.net is free
[04:57] <NickPresta> linuxbie, which language?
[04:58] <bigleon> not a free .com
[04:59] <ScorpKing> true
[04:59] <bigleon> TheBigleonProj.anything would rock lol
[04:59] <nb72> naknomik: depends a bit on the hardware.  video card
[04:59] <ScorpKing> bigleon: got my other pm?
[04:59] <naknomik> nb72: I have nVidia GeForce4 MX 400 AGP 8x card.
[05:00] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with checkinstall to work on an APTonCD disc, or how one could add dependencies to a package when making it with checkinstall?
[05:01] <bigleon> Yeah
[05:01] <bigleon> Scorpking you got some type of IM?
[05:01] <ScorpKing> AIM and yahoo
[05:02] <bigleon> yahoo: bigleon5
[05:03] <ScorpKing> added to contacts
[05:03] <gib> I've never had a single problem with Automatix on any machine I've ever installed it on, but it most of it's functionality is not build right into gutsy, so there won't be much need for it anymore.
[05:03] <bigleon> hmm send me a msg so i can add you to mine
[05:03] <flaccid> gib: never say never
[05:03] <intelikey> !automatix
[05:03] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[05:03] <gib> is built
[05:03] <intelikey> good read.  http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html
[05:03] <contrast83> indeed
[05:04] <gib> Kubuntu has never broken for me on any machine with, or without automatix.
[05:06] <flaccid> gib: does that mean it will never do it for any user or?
[05:07] <hydrogen> flaccid: of course!
[05:08] <hydrogen> just like i've never had a hard drive go bad on me
[05:08] <hydrogen> so theres no need for anyone to make backups
[05:08] <flaccid> lol
[05:08] <gib> It's pretty much of a non-issue now anyway with gutsy including it's functionality.
[05:08] <flaccid> 'i've never had a problem', 'which means you never will too' *wink*
[05:09] <flaccid> or 'ive never had a problem', 'its absolutely crazy that you are!, its impossible coz i don't!'
[05:10] <intelikey> shucks: looks like i missed a good rant...
[05:10] <gib> No, but it is also true that many things have been blamed on automatix that weren't it's fault.  I'm not saying no problems are caused by it, but I know for certain that many problems have been blamed on by certain people that just automatically blame any problem under the sun on it when they hear someone is using it.
[05:11] <flaccid> with all respect, you don't sound like a tech savvy person gib
[05:11] <flaccid> generalisations are useless. the proof is in the pudding.
[05:12] <intelikey> and why not.   if the policy is to not support something, and you here that that something is involved, then you don't try to sort out whether or not it's that particular something's fault you just mention that it's the reason that you wont help and move on...
[05:13] <flaccid> yeah and if we condone it then it only encourages it
[05:13] <intelikey> yeah.
[05:13] <gib> Talk about generalizations! Sheeeh.  My point is not about the technical merits of Automatix, or how good or bad it is or isn't but that some people have a hard on for it and attack it at every possible opportunity.
[05:14] <underdog5004> anyone know how to burn a .cdr file?
[05:14] <pillowpants> root@HELGA:~# glxgears
[05:14] <pillowpants> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[05:14] <pillowpants> Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual
[05:14] <pillowpants> what does that mean
[05:14] <intelikey> !language | gib tone.
[05:14] <ubotu> gib tone.: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[05:14] <flaccid> gib: it deserves to be attacked and killed.
[05:14] <flaccid> !pastebin > pillowpants
[05:14] <intelikey> or fixed. ^
[05:15] <naknomik> How do I get a 3D desktop for kubuntu?
[05:15] <pillowpants> sorry flaccid
[05:15] <contrast83> pillowpants: Any reason you're running that as root?
[05:15] <flaccid> it forks debian system to begin with, so i wouldn't think fixing it would be a good thing at all
[05:15] <intelikey> pillowpants i get the exact same error.
[05:15] <pillowpants> because recovery mode is root
[05:15] <pillowpants> my xserver crashed, so i needed the command line
[05:15] <contrast83> ohh, got cha
[05:16] <pillowpants> and startx in recovery mode takes you to recovery
[05:16] <flake> I've got like 2 extra harddrives, is it possible to format them and make them as one large 'individual' harddrive?
[05:16] <daSkreech> naknomik: What kind of 3d desktop?
[05:16] <intelikey> and glx* doesn't work outside of X     what did i miss ?
[05:16] <naknomik> DaSkreech: like compiz or beryl on gnome
[05:17] <coreymon77> hi everybody!
[05:17] <daSkreech> !beryl
[05:17] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[05:18] <underdog5004> !lvm | flake
[05:18] <ubotu> flake: Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[05:19] <contrast83> naknomik: My personal recommendation: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=1985
[05:19] <coreymon77> rgrolemund: you still there?
[05:20] <naknomik> contrast83: compile packages? naah... too tough for me
[05:20] <ubuntu> best linux  version for  a slower computer
[05:20] <intelikey> anyway pillow  possably the glx module isn't loaded in the xorg.conf due to runlevel 1 ???   idk.
[05:20] <intelikey> i can't even confirm what runlevel i'm in.
[05:20] <flaccid> i wouldn't run X under root or recovery mode
[05:20] <flaccid> is it even possible?
[05:20] <contrast83> naknomik: That how-to walks you through everything step-by-step. I felt the same way as you about it at first, but now I swear by that guide. :-)
[05:20] <intelikey> flaccid yes it is
[05:21] <flaccid> dang
[05:21] <intelikey> and i would start X as root if it was not starting for user  to see if it was a local or system problem
[05:22] <flaccid> the Xorg.0.log or output should be enough to clarify that
[05:22] <intelikey> of course that precludes the use of ?dm
[05:22] <daSkreech> naknomik: Have you tried to compile?
[05:23] <naknomik> DaSkreech: no.
[05:24] <contrast83> naknomik: The next best thing: http://forum.compiz-fusion.org/showthread.php?t=3153
[05:25] <naknomik> How do I get the nvidia-glx installed?
[05:25] <contrast83> naknomik: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[05:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: So how do you know it's too hard?
[05:26] <naknomik> contrast83: that is done. what next?
[05:26] <intelikey> isp playing havoc with my connection again
[05:26] <contrast83> naknomik: run this: grep "nvidia" /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:27] <contrast83> naknomik: What driver does it say from that?
[05:27] <intelikey> still think it may be an attack....    lot's harder for me to track with dnsmasq ip forwarding and the like...  while i was dirrect to the isp it was easy to see what caused the reset.
[05:27] <linuxbie>  ppero  lloo nnecessiittoo ppaara  ttrraabaajjar
[05:28] <naknomik> contrast83: nv
[05:28] <naknomik> contrast83: do I also need to install nvidia-xconfig?
[05:29] <contrast83> naknomik: open that file in a text editor as root and replace that with nvidia
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> naknomik, it comes with the nvidia-glx pkg
[05:29] <contrast83> naknomik: you can. it gives you some options for configuring the card (anisotropic filtering/anti-aliasing levels, etc.)
[05:29] <contrast83> oh, whoops
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> contrast83, and you're thinking of nvidia-settings
[05:30] <contrast83> and whoops again. sorry. :-\
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> contrast83, which also happens to be included
[05:30] <naknomik> hitmanWilly: when I installed nvidia-glx it didn't pull any other packages.
[05:30] <contrast83> naknomik: it's included in that package
[05:30] <hitmanWilly> naknomik, they aren't seperate pkgs
[05:30] <naknomik> currently only nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-common are installed
[05:31] <contrast83> that's all you need
[05:31] <saroset> Help, I'm completely lost as to how to install this graphics driver.
[05:31] <naknomik> contrast83: OK, s/nv/nvidia/
[05:31] <naknomik> now?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> what card do u haver?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> have*
[05:32] <intelikey> riva128
[05:32] <rgrolemund> ic
[05:32] <flake> how could I mix two outputs from two different computers into one set of speakers
[05:32] <rgrolemund> if u want a good card that's supported and cheap
[05:32] <naknomik> contrast83: Now just restart x?
[05:32] <rgrolemund> xfx 7600gs
[05:32] <rgrolemund> $115
[05:32] <Combatjuan> Could someone explain to me what the difference is between /usr/local and /usr/ and /usr/share or between local and share in general?
[05:33] <Combatjuan> It seems certain programs prefer to be in a certain spot or at least certain linux distros prefer certain thing.  I can't figure out the pattern though.
[05:33] <intelikey> rgrolemund your idea of cheep and mine seem to contrast greatly.  i have spent $0.00 in my life time on computer hardware.  and intend to keep it that way.
[05:33] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:33] <flaccid> Combatjuan: man hier
[05:33] <daSkreech> flake: A splitter
[05:34] <flaccid> Combatjuan: its distro dependant
[05:34] <sheldonc> Is adept still maintained?
[05:34] <daSkreech> si
[05:34] <Combatjuan> flaccid: Thanks!
[05:34] <flake> daSkreech - a radioshack item?
[05:34] <rgrolemund> test
[05:34] <rgrolemund> whoops
[05:34] <daSkreech> flake: yup
[05:35] <flake> cool, thanks
[05:35] <intelikey> Combatjuan google.com/linux "linux file system higherarchy"
[05:35] <intelikey> err but use correct spelling
[05:35] <rgrolemund> intel.......only i can see what u just said right? (been away from irc soo long renewbified)
[05:36] <intelikey> rgrolemund anything in the channel can be viewed by the channel
[05:36] <rgrolemund> ok
[05:36] <rgrolemund> then whats command for that?
[05:36] <intelikey> "that" ???
[05:36] <rgrolemund> ya, ur page to me
[05:37] <intelikey> /msg blah something
[05:37] <intelikey> ?
[05:37] <rgrolemund> oh ya
[05:37] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:37] <rgrolemund> ty
[05:37] <intelikey> np
[05:37] <rgrolemund> before this past week, last time on IRC was 2000
[05:37] <rgrolemund> o.O
[05:38] <intelikey> i picked up about where you left off
[05:38] <rgrolemund> so a little rusty
[05:38] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:38] <intelikey> been a first timmer on linux ever sense
[05:38] <intelikey> :)
[05:38] <rgrolemund> lol
[05:39] <rgrolemund> i knew it
[05:39] <rgrolemund> i messed with red hat back in late 90's but was against anything but windows (which i was support for)
[05:39] <rgrolemund> have come around since then
[05:39] <Okapi> hello to all
[05:39] <intelikey> and you admit that ????
[05:40] <intelikey> :)
[05:40] <rgrolemund> :*( sorry
[05:40] <rgrolemund> i have learned my lesson
[05:40] <intelikey> Okapi
[05:40] <hydrogen> windows is the future
[05:40] <hydrogen> right now we are on a pleasent diversion
[05:40] <rgrolemund> O.O
[05:40] <hydrogen> embrace the borg
[05:40] <rgrolemund> rofl
[05:40] <Okapi> If I re-install Kubuntu Feist , do I will loose everything I have now?
[05:40] <rgrolemund> star trek?>
[05:41] <hydrogen> Okapi: yea
[05:41] <intelikey> hydrogen only if i can access sector 0.0.0.0
[05:41] <rgrolemund> anyhow once I feel comfortable enough with linux my boss is ok with dumping windows all together @ work
[05:41] <daSkreech> Okapi: did you have a /home partition ?
[05:42] <rgrolemund> even our servers
[05:42] <Okapi> yes
[05:42] <Okapi> darskreech:yes
[05:42] <daSkreech> Okapi: ok You don't have to lose that stuff
[05:43] <Okapi> darskreech: explain how and why? please
[05:43] <intelikey> rgrolemund good.   may i sujest something less "cutting edge"  or in linux terms, "non-flavour of the month club"  for the servers     and no, i don't intend to be specific...
[05:45] <daSkreech> Okapi: when you are installing you can just say that partition is /home and should not be formatted
[05:45] <Okapi> darskreech: cool! and thank you.
[05:45] <daSkreech> Okapi: Sure.
[05:46] <daSkreech> Okapi: you can make a list of what you have installed as well if you wanna back that up
[05:47] <garfield> daSkreech:  for the skydom in beryl what do they mean the demension have to be a power of 2 i.e 1024?
[05:48] <naknomik> daSkreech: OK, looks like now I got the nvidia-glx installed and working. Now what?
[05:48] <daSkreech> garfield: the image has to be some power of 2
[05:48] <Okapi> darskreech: actually I have a problem, my synaptic do not update my system. it is keep saying my system is up to date....
[05:48] <daSkreech> Okapi: You have a blank sources.list I'll bet
[05:49] <ether> Can someone tell me if I'm missing anything?
[05:49] <Okapi> darskreech: I think you are right and just saw it. I am gone update it and try...
[05:49] <garfield> Okapi: well its up to date no?
[05:49] <flake> lol ScorpKing - what's that?
[05:50] <garfield> ScorpKing:  for the skydom in beryl what do they mean the demension have to be a power of 2 i.e 1024?
[05:50] <ScorpKing> huh? lol
[05:50] <Okapi> garfield: I do not think so. It is about a week I did not update it...
[05:51] <naknomik> compiz-fusion?
[05:51] <flake> garfield - sounds like any picture you use has to have a resolution of a power of 2?
[05:51] <garfield> Okapi: are u a kubuntu user or ubuntu?
[05:51] <Okapi> garfield: kubuntu
[05:52] <garfield> flake: so insted a pic is like 500x400 it got to be 1000x800?
[05:52] <flake> man i hate that - I closed VLC but the music is still playing.. time to kill
[05:52] <flake> garfield - power of 2, not sure how to calculate that, but  1024 sounds like one
[05:53] <flake> so 1024x1024
[05:53] <flake> or 1024x768 (if 768 is power of 2, my math fails me)
[05:53] <flake> dont think 768 is
[05:53] <flake> those numbers tho
[05:53] <garfield> k
[05:54] <flake> http://en.wiki.mcneel.com/default.aspx/McNeel/BackgroundBitmap.html
[05:54] <flake> garfield ^^
[05:55] <flake> anyone know why vlc keeps playing when I close it, is there a simple setting
[05:55] <rgrolemund> are you not actually closing it, but minimizing to system tray?
[05:55] <intelikey> flake sure it's not closing to the taskbar/systray
[05:56] <intelikey> ?
[05:56] <flake> I hit the 'X' and it goes away but music keeps playing in background
[05:56] <rgrolemund> ya ur sending to sys tray
[05:57] <intelikey> that can be configured within vlc's config
[05:58] <flake> heh, now it closed
[05:58] <flake> makes a fool of me it does
[05:58] <flake> as if I needed any help with that
[05:59] <intelikey> :)
[05:59] <rgrolemund> lol i have asked help on worse
[05:59] <coreymon77> rgrolemund: pm
[05:59] <kkathman> evenin all
[05:59] <intelikey> where's my c:\ drive ???
[05:59] <ubunturos> kkathman: it evening in?
[05:59] <coreymon77> intelikey: in linux?
[05:59] <kkathman> Texas :)
[06:00] <ubunturos> intelikey: there's no C: \ drive in :)
[06:00] <intelikey> :>~'c:\'
[06:00] <daSkreech> intelikey: Fdisk
[06:00] <intelikey> there is now.
[06:00] <ubunturos> in GNU/Linux
[06:00] <intelikey> :)
[06:00] <intelikey> run that and C :)
[06:00] <intelikey> :>~'c:\'
[06:00] <garfield> ??
[06:00] <Okapi> darskreech: What about reinstalling on the same partition...without formatting them? I will still loose information?
[06:01] <naknomik> I installed beryl-kubuntu (and dependencies) now how do I get beryl to load?
[06:01] <intelikey> one could mkdir ~'c:\'    in sted
[06:01] <intelikey> and actually mount an M$ partition on it ....
[06:01] <garfield> naknomik: alt+space bar type beryl
[06:02] <naknomik> garfield: there is only beryl settings manager no 'beryl'
[06:02] <hydrogen> probably better to start beryl-manager
[06:03] <ubunturos> naknomik: you should probably see a menu within the K-menu
[06:04] <garfield> naknomik: do u have the red crystel in k-menu settings?
[06:04] <naknomik> I did apt-get install beryl manager, now it is. I ran beryl manager. but all window decorations are gone now.
[06:05] <garfield> naknomik: lol did the red crystal apair in your bar down to the right?
[06:05] <naknomik> yes, it did.
[06:06] <rgrolemund> wow that was weird
[06:06] <garfield> naknomik: right click it "select window manager <beryl
[06:06] <rgrolemund> mouse didn't lock up but wireless keyboard starting hitting random keys
[06:06] <bigleon> !adept
[06:06] <garfield> rgrolemund: ???
[06:06] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[06:07] <garfield> bigleon: ??
[06:07] <naknomik> garfield: as soon as I select window manager=beryl, all window decorations are gone again.
[06:07] <MarcC> how do I mount a samba share?
[06:07] <intelikey> ah ha it's the ole wireless keyboard random keys bug
[06:07] <ubunturos> naknomik: Video card?
[06:07] <rgrolemund> lol ur joking right/
[06:07] <naknomik> nVidia GeForce4 MX 400
[06:07] <intelikey> ignore me.
[06:07] <rgrolemund> lol
[06:07] <intelikey> :)
[06:08] <rgrolemund> i am laughin pretty good here
[06:08] <ubunturos> naknomik
[06:08] <garfield> naknomik: did the windows come ack?
[06:09] <garfield> back*
[06:09] <naknomik> garfield: windows are there, the decorations are gone
[06:09] <garfield> naknomik: lol
[06:09] <hydrogen> naknomik: you need either kde-win-decorator or aquamarine isntalled
[06:09] <MarcC> !samba
[06:09] <ubotu> samba is is the way to cooperate with Windows environments. Links with more info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MountWindowsSharesPermanently and http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/serverguide/C/windows-networking.html - Samba can be administered via the web with SWAT
[06:09] <hydrogen> or emerald I suppose
[06:09] <ubunturos> !emrald
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emrald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <naknomik> garfield: I have aquamarine installed
[06:09] <hydrogen> then run it
[06:09] <ScorpKing> cheers everyone! have fun and plz don't break anything. :P
[06:10] <intelikey> !emerald
[06:10] <hydrogen> alt+f2, aquamarine
[06:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about emerald - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:10] <garfield> naknomik: when u mean deco u mean like the minimize,close icons?
[06:10] <ubunturos> garfield: yes, he does
[06:10] <naknomik> garfield: yes, the frames around windows, title bar and the minimize, close icons. gone
[06:10] <garfield> ubunturos: who does?
[06:11] <ubunturos> garfield: naknomik
[06:11] <naknomik> garfield: I can move windows with Alt-Left Click. They do wobble.
[06:11] <naknomik> ubunturos: ?
[06:11] <hydrogen> did you run aquamarine?
[06:12] <daSkreech> Hi bigleon
[06:12] <garfield> naknomik: right click beryl "select window manager">kde
[06:12] <naknomik> If I run aquamarine from an xterm, I get error: Could not acquire decoration manager selection on screen 0 display ":0.0"
[06:12] <intelikey> ubunturos if no one else will ignore us, we can always ignore each other   :)
[06:12] <xp_killer> :(
[06:12] <ubunturos> intelikey: :)
[06:13] <ibilic> what is in /dev/hda?
[06:13] <naknomik> garfield: if I select window manager kde, the decorations come back, but I lose the 3d effects too.
[06:13] <ibilic> I am following this tutorial
[06:13] <ibilic> http://www.advicesource.org/ubuntu/Run_Existing_Windows_Instalation_On_Ubuntu_With_Vmware_player.html
[06:13] <xp_killer> ibilic: one of your hdd
[06:13] <intelikey> ibilic every thing in /dev is device nodes  hda would be the first ide disk
[06:14] <intelikey> primary master ide
[06:14] <ibilic> but when I get to ?
[06:14] <ibilic> Type "quit" in parted and make copy of MBR. Copy-paste this command into console:
[06:14] <ibilic> "dd if=/dev/hda of=windowsxp.mbr bs=512 count=63"
[06:14] <ibilic> I get stuck
[06:14] <ibilic> it says:
[06:14] <intelikey> try sda in place of hda
[06:14] <ibilic> dd: opening `/dev/hda': No such file or directory
[06:15] <intelikey> or hdc   even
[06:15] <xevious> how can i open konqueror (in file manager mode) as root under kubuntu?
[06:15] <intelikey> !kdesu | xevious
[06:15] <ubotu> xevious: In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[06:15] <xp_killer> !sda
[06:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <ubunturos> xevious: issue the command kdesu konqueror at the command prompt
[06:16] <xp_killer> !hda
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hda - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <xp_killer> arf
[06:16] <ibilic> I am browsing my dev folder
[06:16] <intelikey> !devices
[06:16] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about devices - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:16] <xp_killer> naknomik: did everything come back?
[06:16] <ibilic> I have: bus, disk, fd, input, net, pts, shm and snd
[06:16] <intelikey> ibilic i wouldn't   jsut cat /proc/partitions
[06:16] <naknomik> xp_killer: yes
[06:16] <naknomik> but beryl effects are gone
[06:16] <intelikey> see what the device is.
[06:16] <MarcC> how do I restart the network?
[06:17] <ibilic> ( just so that you know, I am a complete newbie... installed Kubuntu today )
[06:17] <MarcC> errr...restart network services in Kubuntu
[06:17] <pillowpants> fixed my driver problems
[06:17] <ubunturos> !etc/rc
[06:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about etc/rc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:17] <pillowpants> gave up on the old fashioned way and used envy
[06:17] <intelikey> MarcC /etc/init.d/network* [stop/start/restart] 
[06:18] <ibilic> so I am trying to run a virtual machine of windows under Kubuntu
[06:18] <MarcC> thanks intelikey :)
[06:18] <ibilic> I don't understand why they are assuming that I have windowsxp.mbr under kubuntu...
[06:18] <intelikey> :)
[06:18] <hydrogen> no
[06:18] <hydrogen> they are telling you to make it
[06:19] <hydrogen> by copying the first 512 bytes off of your windows hard drive
[06:19] <naknomik> aquamarine keeps dying.
[06:19] <ibilic> but my windows hard drive is not mounted
[06:19] <hydrogen> which is not going to be at all helpful if you overwrote your boot record with grub
[06:19] <hydrogen> like ubuntu does
[06:19] <hydrogen> ibilic: it doesn't need to be mounted
[06:19] <intelikey> ibilic it doesn't need to be munted
[06:19] <intelikey> ditto
[06:20] <xp_killer> naknomik: try like me i had allmost the same problems with beryl working bad try disableling graphics etc in sys settings etc then manage beryl settings manager enable crash handler in development
[06:20] <ibilic> is there a disk manager in ubuntu? like for me to see all the partitions?
[06:20] <hydrogen> someone already told you
[06:20] <hydrogen> cat /proc/partitions
[06:20] <hydrogen> its probably sda
[06:21] <hydrogen> its not going to be that helpful though because you overwrote the mbr with grub
[06:21] <intelikey> is there an echo in here ???
[06:21] <intelikey> :)
[06:21] <saroset_> Ok, anyone know anything about installing a driver? I tried to follow the online guide but it does some things I cant seem to do.
[06:21] <hydrogen> thats quite a vague question
[06:21] <hydrogen> i've installed a driver at one point or another
[06:21] <hydrogen> but that doens't mean I can help you
[06:22] <saroset_> nVidia GeForce 6800 driver.
[06:22] <daSkreech> hydrogen: isn't there one in System settings?
[06:22] <daSkreech> I'm almost sure of it
[06:22] <xp_killer> lol
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     0   78156288 sda
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     1   52403998 sda1
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     2    2032222 sda2
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     3   22683780 sda3
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     4          1 sda4
[06:22] <ibilic>    8     5    1028128 sda5
[06:22] <ibilic>    8    16   78156288 sdb
[06:22] <hydrogen> @@@
[06:22] <intelikey> sda
[06:22] <hydrogen> down!
[06:22] <hydrogen> saroset: sudo apt-get instlal nvidia-glx && sudo nvidia-glx-config enable
[06:23] <nalioth> !paste
[06:23] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[06:23] <Ic3man> hi
[06:23] <saroset> hydrogen, thank you.
[06:23] <intelikey> nalioth's back
[06:23] <tazgodx> umm, i was watching a video in VLC and i closed it, and now i have the audio still playing. anyw ay to kill this audio?
[06:23] <nalioth> intelikey: i've never left
[06:23] <ibilic> so I just replace the "hda" with "sda"? ok I'll try it
[06:23] <intelikey> oh.   ;/
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> Hi
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> i need help
[06:23] <nalioth> tazgodx: open a console and type "killall vlc"
[06:23] <hydrogen> !help
[06:23] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> i'm trying to install kubuntu
[06:23] <hydrogen> !ask
[06:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:23] <intelikey> well welcome back to where you never left nalioth
[06:23] <Vnzlaguy> kkk
[06:24] <nalioth> intelikey: :)
[06:24] <tazgodx> says no process killed :(
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> ok i'm getting this warning The file system on /dev/hda2 assigned to / has not been marked for formatting. File systems used by the system (/, /boot, /usr, /var) must be reformatted for use by this installer. Other file systems (/home, /media/*, /usr/local, etc.) may be used without reformatting
[06:24] <naknomik> Can I upgrade to Gutsy from Feisty? I'm running Kubuntu
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> i don't know what should i do there
[06:24] <hydrogen> naknomik: you probably shouldn't.
[06:24] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: Set the partition you have marked as / to format
[06:24] <nalioth> naknomik: yes, but we recommend you wait until the official release
[06:24] <daSkreech> naknomik:
[06:24] <daSkreech> Yes
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> ko
[06:24] <ibilic> it worked, thanks!!!
[06:24] <Vnzlaguy> that's it?
[06:25] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: yup
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> yay it worked
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> thanks a lot
[06:25] <daSkreech> naknomik: Though asking that question probably means you shouldn't :)
[06:25] <xp_killer> naknomik: wait untill november
[06:25] <naknomik> I'm running on a "play" machine, if something breaks I'll reinstall everything.
[06:25] <intelikey> Vnzlaguy unless you are intentionaly protecting data on the /  then format it.
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> nah
[06:25] <Vnzlaguy> the other partition is where i have my music
[06:26] <daSkreech> xp_killer: Umm the 10th isn't november
[06:26] <naknomik> I want to try KDE 4 Beta 2
[06:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: There is a live Cd you can run
[06:26] <Vnzlaguy> how long this should take?
[06:26] <hydrogen> you can do beta2 in feisty
[06:26] <naknomik> daSkreech: LiveCD of KDE 4?
[06:26] <intelikey> and i hope that they change that in the installer.   installers for linux should NOT demand a clean root fs   a request is fine but being unflexable is not.
[06:26] <daSkreech> naknomik: yes
[06:26] <xp_killer> daSkreech: they say the end of october but is best is she wait and ask question u never know if it haves a huge problem
[06:27] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: blazing fast
[06:27] <naknomik> hydrogen: I followed the directions but KDE 4 doesn't seem to be working.
[06:27] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: the entire install is about the time it takes windows to do the format
[06:27] <Vnzlaguy> it's on 24% already (:
[06:27] <hydrogen> intelikey: err, its much better to demand a clean one than to possibly overwrite half of the files and cause a superb0rked system
[06:27] <xp_killer> daSkreech: like the first time xp came out did u install it one time?
[06:27] <Vnzlaguy> yeah haha
[06:27] <rgrolemund> daSkreech; tru dat
[06:28] <intelikey> hydrogen not in my assessment of it. it's not.    tell me what you think i should do, then do what i say.
[06:28] <daSkreech> xp_killer: I don't recall installing it at all
[06:28] <intelikey> hydrogen if i wanted a windows installer i'd install windows
[06:28] <MarcC> how do I type a folder name with spaces in it on the command line
[06:28] <rgrolemund> lol
[06:28] <MarcC> ?
[06:28] <flake> why is the new nvidia driver 100.14.11 and mine is 1.0.97, legacy is 1.0.96
[06:28] <hydrogen> intelikey: right.. but no installer should do things that are known to be a bad idea
[06:28] <MarcC> I need to mount a folder but it has spaces in the name.
[06:29] <flaccid> MarcC:  use \ but can tab complete using tab
[06:29] <rgrolemund> intel; u kill me man
[06:29] <MarcC> flaccid: My\ Music ?
[06:29] <rgrolemund> got me rollin
[06:29] <intelikey> hydrogen wrong.   no installer should refuse to do what the user tells them to.
[06:29] <flake> what is IA32 and how is that different from x86
[06:29] <MarcC> I didn't know it could tab-complete the name of a windows share
[06:29] <hydrogen> intelikey: sure it should
[06:29] <intelikey> gripe complain   fine.   but do it anyway.
[06:29] <flaccid> MarcC:  yeah
[06:29] <naknomik> I followed the directions on the kubuntu page, to get KDE 4, I have added it as a new session, when I login with that session, I get a big panel with two big blobs and a text 'This object could not be loaded' No K menu, no task bar, or nothing else.
[06:29] <intelikey> hydrogen why ?
[06:30] <hydrogen> intelikey: the majority of people using said installer are not knowledgeable about what they are doing to be given the power to make bad decisions
[06:30] <LiquidXTC> anyone here fluent with airmon-ng, some of the issues, and could give me a hand??
[06:31] <intelikey> hydrogen i see, you have the "the poor fools are to stupid to use their computers, so we have to protect them from their selves." attitude.   sorry but i'm one of the poor fools and you are too, so that don't wash in my book.
[06:31] <flake> well I'm off to upgrade from 1.0.97 to 100.14.11, wash me luck
[06:32] <daSkreech> LiquidXTC: With what?
[06:33] <naknomik> hydrogen?
[06:34] <hydrogen> naknomik: that is kde4 beta2
[06:34] <hydrogen> in all its glory
[06:34] <hydrogen> no error on your part
[06:35] <Vnzlaguy> if i mount my hard drives that are on NTFS will i lose my information there?
[06:35] <hydrogen> no
[06:35] <daSkreech> Vnzlaguy: don't write to them :)
[06:35] <xp_killer> lol
[06:35] <hydrogen> writing is fine
[06:35] <level1> hi, does anyone here know how to connect to efnet?  all of their servers reject me
[06:35] <hydrogen> just use ntfs-3g
[06:35] <emonkey> hmm kde4 ... dows anbody knwo why I've got just two strange widgets at the the bottom with the message "this object could not be created" ?
[06:35] <daSkreech> You can but with a warning
[06:35] <xp_killer> write write write write write write write write write write write write write
[06:35] <flaccid> Vnzlaguy: no
[06:35] <hydrogen> emonkey: because thats kde4 beta2
[06:35] <Vnzlaguy> ok
[06:35] <emonkey> hydrogen, k 
[06:35] <hydrogen> emonkey: you can still run kde4 apps in it
[06:36] <flaccid> ntfs-3g is pretty stable now
[06:36] <level1> emonkey: lol, it'll get better, we swear!
[06:36] <naknomik> hydrogen: is it broken on Feisty?
[06:36] <xp_killer> flaccid: ntfs-config
[06:36] <hydrogen> naknomik: it's broken on  everything
[06:36] <hydrogen> its not just feisty
[06:36] <emonkey> hydrogen, level1 no problem I'm just testing it here on my surftstation
[06:36] <hydrogen> yea
[06:36] <hydrogen> but do test out the not-desktop :)
[06:36] <hydrogen> kdegames4 is very nice
[06:37] <xp_killer> kubuntu remind me of xp everytime it crashes
[06:37] <Lega> Hello.
[06:37] <emonkey> really... maybe I should reactivate kicker
[06:37] <flaccid> xp_killer: wh are you talking to me?
[06:37] <hydrogen> kdebase is kind of riddiculous in size though
[06:37] <Lega> Anyone particularly want to help out a linux n00b?
[06:37] <Vnzlaguy> you are not alone haha
[06:38] <emonkey> just and we'll see if we can help
[06:38] <Lega> Haha, well, at least I'm not the only one...
[06:38] <hydrogen> !ask
[06:38] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[06:38] <xp_killer> flaccid: if u keep telling other ntfs-3g they will only install that wich is a bad thing it's best if they install ntfs-config
[06:38] <level1> hydrogen: our !ask is much nicer than the #java ~ask
[06:38] <Lega> Well, I want to be able to login as root user. Just plain root, not as root in the console, but root overall.
[06:38] <flaccid> xp_killer: incorrect, they should follow the howto on the wiki
[06:39] <hydrogen> Lega: no you don't.
[06:39] <flaccid> where can i d/l openssh-server pacakge manually for dapper?
[06:39] <Lega> Oh, wait, I just had an idea.
[06:39] <flaccid> can't see link to .deb here: http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/net/openssh-server
[06:39] <Lega> hydrogen: Why not?
[06:39] <hydrogen> Lega: there is absolutely no reason to run it as root
[06:39] <hydrogen> and there are plenty of reasons ont to
[06:39] <Lega> I think it'd be far more useful to be root and not have to type in my password for every little thing.
[06:39] <emonkey> Lega, if really want to activate root, it's very simple
[06:40] <hydrogen> mm
[06:40] <hydrogen> no
[06:40] <hydrogen> because if your running as root
[06:40] <hydrogen> and you are running an app that has a security hole
[06:40] <hydrogen> of which there are many
[06:40] <Lega> Ah...
[06:40] <Lega> I see your point.
[06:40] <hydrogen> and it gets exploited
[06:40] <hydrogen> now the person has root access
[06:40] <hydrogen> instead of limited access
[06:40] <Lega> Right... :E
[06:40] <intelikey> Lega there is a setting in kcontrol that will allow root login through kdm    setting the root password is as simple as    sudo passwd    and enter the new password.    but it is not a really good idea to use gui apps as root   nor to login as root in general    but esspecially  DO NOT run internet apps as root.
[06:41] <Lega> Hmm, well, I think I just thought of a way past my problem.
[06:41] <emonkey> if you just want to have a root shell, use the sudo -i command
[06:41] <Lega> Is it bad to sudo su whenever I run a console?
[06:41] <hydrogen> Lega: I think that you can increase the sudo timeout to 24h (or never) so you only have to enter your password once
[06:41] <flaccid> Lega: yes
[06:41] <hydrogen> Lega: yea, you should at least do sudo su -
[06:41] <intelikey> Lega depends on what you do in that console
[06:41] <Meowmixiscoo> Big problem.
[06:41] <hydrogen> to get a root environment
[06:42] <hydrogen> but sudo -i is a shortcut for that
[06:42] <flaccid> sudo -i is handy
[06:42] <hydrogen> as sudo -s is a shortcut for sudo su
[06:42] <Meowmixiscoo> I tried that thing for my drivers and now it wont load. It just goes to a black screen that I can type in.
[06:42] <Lega> Also... Super Karamba is a little wonky.
[06:42] <intelikey> Lega   man man    or    man intro
[06:43] <Lega> Why use man instead of --help?
[06:43] <intelikey> try it and see
[06:43] <hydrogen> it looks like you can visudo and set passwd_timeout = 0
[06:43] <Lega> Oh, online reference manuals.
[06:43] <intelikey> more info    authors notes.  search feature
[06:44] <hydrogen> in some cases
[06:44] <hydrogen> and in some cases --help is more up to date
[06:44] <hydrogen> its kind of hit or miss :
[06:44] <hydrogen> try both
[06:44] <hydrogen> and combine the two
[06:44] <intelikey> in some cases hydrogen i agree.
[06:44] <hydrogen> jesus
[06:45] <intelikey> but some commands --help yelds nothing
[06:45] <pillowpants> does anyone know the name of the opensource limewire?
[06:45] <pillowpants> its called frostwire or something along those lines
[06:45] <Lega> I don't really understand what sudo -i does.
[06:45] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, can you specify your problem more exactly?
[06:45] <intelikey> makes it a login shell
[06:45] <hydrogen> Lega: its the same as su -
[06:45] <Lega> But I shouldn't be doing sudo su, then passwording, and then running around in that terminal as a root, right?
[06:45] <pillowpants> wait, that is it
[06:45] <Lega> Oh.
[06:45] <intelikey> i.e. the root env
[06:45] <Lega> Oh, okay.
[06:45] <hydrogen> you can do that if you want
[06:46] <[ifr0g] > pillowpants, yes you are right FrostWire.
[06:46] <CU1> Hi - How does one mount the cdrom drive??it will mount ok upon boot, but the is no longer mounted at some pont till reboot.
[06:46] <Lega> Is there anything bad/dangerous about doing it like there is with running root in GUI?
[06:46] <Meowmixiscoo> Not really =/. I tried to update my nVidia drivers with a command someone gave me in this channel and now Kubuntu just goes to a black screen with a command line that doesn't display or respond to anything.
[06:46] <daSkreech> level1: what's jave ~ask ?
[06:46] <Lega> *the gui
[06:46] <hydrogen> Lega: the same things
[06:46] <Meowmixiscoo> I started in recovery mode and that works.
[06:46] <Lega> Ah. :\
[06:46] <hydrogen> Lega: you really should only be root to do things that you can't do as a normal user
[06:47] <Lega> Yeah... I think I just got into the habit instead of prefacing everything with sudo.
[06:47] <intelikey> Lega yes.   root is unrestricted,   that is you can fix or break anything from root   that's not true with user accounts.
[06:47] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, who gave you which command?
[06:47] <intelikey> !virus
[06:47] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:47] <Meowmixiscoo> Hydrogen. It did update something.
[06:48] <daSkreech> !frostwire
[06:48] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[06:48] <intelikey> Lega maybe you should read   http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[06:48] <Lega> I'll get on that, thanks. :D
[06:48] <Lega> chmod is the command to change permissions on a folder, right?
[06:48] <hydrogen> yea
[06:48] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, Did you changed from nv to nvidia, do you know that?
[06:49] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, huh?
[06:49] <CU1> Help please - How mount cdrom, using perhaps Konqueror? thx
[06:49] <Lega> See, the problem I'm having is, I just mounted an external harddrive into /mnt/harddrive/, and I can't browse it in the gui as my normal user account because I don't have the right permissions.
[06:49] <daSkreech> Lega: the difference is that in a GUI you have many things running most of which you did not explictly start as that user (though they are running as that user)
[06:49] <emonkey> nv ist the opensource nvidia driver, nvidia the priprietyr one
[06:49] <hydrogen> CU1: navigate to cdrom:/ in konqueror
[06:50] <hydrogen> Lega: you need to mount it with the user option
[06:50] <level1> daSkreech:  actually, I'm wrong, ~ask is very mean, but some of the other stuff that goes on in that channel is downright abusive
[06:50] <daSkreech> Lega: in the command line you have many things running as that user but you know you started them and >hopefully< what they are
[06:50] <hydrogen> Lega: assuming its in /etc/fstab, just add ,user to the fourth column
[06:50] <Lega> Lemme check...
[06:50] <hydrogen> and then you can mount as the user
[06:50] <daSkreech> level1: Thank goodness we use python then eh ?
[06:50] <ether> If I have a http/dns server connected to the WAN port of a router, what do I need to do to make the other computers on the router connect to that server?
[06:50] <CU1> hydrogen: Thx, but doesn't work - nolthing shows up there.
[06:50] <level1> daSkreech: I love the language, but the support sucks and the ides are pretty bad
[06:51] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you type lspci|grep VGA in a console what does it say?
[06:51] <hydrogen> CU1: what kind of cd is it?
[06:51] <CU1> hydrogen: also /media/cdrom0 - same thing
[06:51] <level1> ~ask isn't very mean, I meant to say
[06:51] <rafael> hmm how do i put my monitor resolution at the max?
[06:51] <daSkreech> level1: I thought the eclipse was like the mercedes of FOSS IDEs?
[06:51] <CU1> hydrogen: it's a sw cd with windows application sw, labview, , notfrom microsoft,
[06:51] <Lega> I have no idea what I should do with this fstab file. :E
[06:52] <CU1> hydrogen: it will mount at boot, buth then the mount goes away, even though the cd is still in the drive,
[06:52] <naknomik> is there a 'Weather' applet on Kubuntu like in Ubuntu?
[06:52] <hydrogen> Lega: look for the line that has /mnt/harddrive
[06:52] <intelikey> Lega also, don't misunderstand me, i do NOT think that the ubuntu "root jr." approach is any safer than a secure root password and using su -   the best way would be to setup sudoers correctly.    as is, in some cases; it gives a false sense of security. (imo)    but i do understand and concent to the idea that doing most things as root is a bad idea period.
[06:52] <Meowmixiscoo> 01:00.0 VGA ompatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV41.1 [GeForce 6800]  (rev a2)
[06:52] <level1> daSkreech: i don't like eclipse, its very confusing, and on a default install of ubuntu its very slow beacuse of gij
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: each line has columns separated by tabs
[06:53] <CU1> hydrogen: is there a tool to cause a cdrom to be mounted? I'd have thought konq would have that ability.
[06:53] <daSkreech> !fstab
[06:53] <ubotu> The /etc/fstab file indicates how drive partitions are to be used or otherwise integrated into the file system. See http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/fstab.html and !Partitions
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: the form is something like <device> <TAB> <mount point> <TAB> <file system> <TAB> <options> <TAB> <other things>
[06:53] <jordo23> Jucato: Hey Jucato....long time no see....
[06:53] <Lega> hydrogen: I don't see the /mnt/harddrive/ in there, though.
[06:53] <hydrogen> you need to edit the options column
[06:53] <hydrogen> to include ,user
[06:53] <level1> CU1: it should be mounted when you try to open it in konqueror, does that not work for you?
[06:53] <hydrogen> Lega: then you might need to add it..
[06:54] <intelikey> CU1 jsut mount it.   alt+f2  mount /dev/cdrom
[06:54] <hydrogen> Lega: how do you usually mount the drive?
[06:54] <Lega> I just figured out today how to mount the drive.
[06:54] <hydrogen> how do you do it?
[06:54] <Lega> Lemme find the command real quick...
[06:54] <intelikey> hydrogen just a though but user,users,  is a good idea
[06:54] <CU1> level1: I browse in konq to /media/cdrom0, or /cdrom - the directory is empty
[06:55] <Lega> Okay, I did this:
[06:55] <Lega> mkdir /mnt/harddrive/
[06:55] <jordo23> Has there been problems with Konqueror and the latest Adobe flash release? 9.0.48?
[06:55] <level1> CU1: hmmm... that shouldn't be
[06:55] <rafael> Hello i need help with my Geforce 7 video card driver
[06:55] <rafael> can someone help me out?
[06:55] <hydrogen> intelikey: well, they appear to be mutually exclusive (after reading the mount page) but I dind't know what users did before now :)
[06:55] <Lega> mount -t ntfs /dev/sda1 /mnt/harddrive
[06:55] <hydrogen> Lega: okay
[06:55] <level1> CU1: are there any other folders with names like /media/cdrom-1 or something?
[06:55] <hydrogen> Lega: so, what you need to do
[06:56] <hydrogen> is add a line to the bottom of /etc/fstab
[06:56] <hydrogen> that looks like this
[06:56] <CU1> intelikey: THANKS  - THAT DID IT  - "mount /dev/cdrom0"  :)
[06:56] <intelikey> hydrogen hmmmm maybe one of those "out of date" things you mentioned...
[06:56] <as2000> suggestions on a good firewall/antiv software?
[06:56] <intelikey> CU1 welcome
[06:56] <hydrogen>  /dev/sda1<TAB>/mnt/harddrive<TAB>ntfs<TAB>defaults,users<TAB>0<TAB>0
[06:56] <Doctor_Nick> !rms
[06:56] <ubotu> rms is Richard Matthew Stallman, founder of the GNU project. See !gnu and also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
[06:56] <hydrogen> replace <TAB> with a tab obviously ::)
[06:57] <level1> as2000: I'm always skeptical that you would ever need it, I mean, linux isn't perfect, but really there are almost no attacks on linux
[06:57] <jordo23> Intelikey: Have you updated flash to 9.0.48?
[06:57] <level1> !torvalds
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about torvalds - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <level1> are you kidding me?
[06:57] <daSkreech> !info vrms
[06:57] <ubotu> vrms: virtual Richard M. Stallman. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.12 (feisty), package size 11 kB, installed size 108 kB
[06:57] <hydrogen> !linus
[06:57] <naknomik> Why doesn't Kubuntu come default with Firefox?
[06:57] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linus - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:57] <naknomik> Konqui keeps crashing when I visit gmail.
[06:57] <level1> daSkreech: the debian !vrms is very funny
[06:57] <daSkreech> level1: yet :)
[06:57] <hydrogen> naknomik: because konqueror is way more cool
[06:58] <Lega> Okay, so now it should give me access to /harddrive/ as a normal user?
[06:58] <as2000> level1: never too careful
[06:58] <level1> naknomik: you can download firefox pretty easily
[06:58] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, sorry... had to go to toilet ... ok... you've nearly the same card like me...
[06:58] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[06:58] <naknomik> hydrogen: Konque keeps crashing
[06:58] <hydrogen> Lega: after doing that, as a normal user you will be able to mount /mnt/harddrive
[06:58] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, any idea what's up with it?
[06:58] <hydrogen> naknomik: thats because google is a bunch of commies
[06:58] <hydrogen> and deliberatly breaks browsers that are not firefox/ie
[06:58] <level1> naknomik: its not added because we would have to add a lot fo other technology like gnome to fit it in there, and there just isn't enough space on the cd
[06:58] <jordo23> !konqueror
[06:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:59] <jordo23> !flash
[06:59] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:59] <Lega> hydro: should it work instantly, or do I have to restart kde or anything?
[06:59] <Lega> Or do I have to unmount/remount the drive?
[06:59] <hydrogen> Lega: it should work instantly
[06:59] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, type cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf|grep nv and tell me what does it say
[06:59] <hydrogen> Lega: you need to unmount the drive as root
[06:59] <hydrogen> then mount it as a user
[06:59] <level1> naknomik: you can just "sudo apt-get install firefox" and you should be good to go
[06:59] <rafael> how do i log as root?
[06:59] <daSkreech> hydrogen: they break them with some reason though
[06:59] <Meowmixiscoo> Driver   "nvidia"
[07:00] <intelikey> !root | rafael
[07:00] <ubotu> rafael: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:00] <daSkreech> rafael: most logs are done as root
[07:00] <rafael> ok
[07:00] <Lega> umount is the unmount command?
[07:00] <naknomik> Is there a 'Weather' like applet on KDE?
[07:00] <jordo23> intelikey: Have there been problems with flash 9.0.48 and konq?  Been outa the loop for a bit....
[07:00] <daSkreech> Lega: I know worst command name ever
[07:00] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[07:00] <rafael> i'm trying to configurate my video card and also my monitor
[07:00] <intelikey> jordo23 haven't been seeing many
[07:00] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, that's good... hmm did you install nvidia-glx or nvidia-glx-new?
[07:00] <Lega> Haha, yeah, trying unmount over and over to no avail... XD
[07:01] <Meowmixiscoo> I dont know =/.
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: I go to youtube and it says I need to upgrade before viewing videos....
[07:01] <daSkreech> naknomik: Right click the taskbar -> add applet -> weather
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: although firefox works fine....
[07:01] <intelikey> jordo23 there are some web sites that are not standards compliant  konq is standards compliant     ff is not.
[07:01] <jordo23> intelikey: Is there a way around this?
[07:01] <level1> jordo23: I can veiw youtube in konqueror... theres a secret to it, you wanna know?
[07:02] <hydrogen> that depends on the standard :)
[07:02] <naknomik> daSkreech: there is no applet called weather, that I could find in the list.
[07:02] <emonkey> hydrogen, do you already knwo what you've done with Meowmixiscoo ? Especially which driver he has installed.
[07:02] <jordo23> level1: umm....
[07:02] <hydrogen> emonkey: nvidia-glx
[07:02] <Lega> Argh...
[07:02] <Meowmixiscoo> I was on the name saroset
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: go to configure konqueror
[07:02] <intelikey> jordo23 perhaps, set konq to id as ff ?     it will work on some of them.
[07:02] <Lega> It says only root can mount.
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: go to plugins (at the bottom)
[07:02] <hydrogen> Lega: type just mount /mnt/harddrive
[07:02] <hydrogen> not the whole command
[07:02] <level1> jordo23: click scan for new plugins
[07:03] <level1> jordo23: restart konqueror
[07:03] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, please type lsmod | grep agp an tell me the result
[07:03] <intelikey> jordo23 ah i see level1 has picked you up there    good.
[07:03] <Lega> Well, it mounted correctly...
[07:03] <hydrogen> ?
[07:03] <Lega> But it is still not allowing me access as normal user.
[07:03] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, agpgart         35400  1 nvidia
[07:03] <hydrogen> who did you mount it as?
[07:03] <Lega> Normal user.
[07:03] <jordo23> intelikey level1: Umm....yeah.....that didn't work..
[07:04] <hydrogen> who did you make the mount point as?
[07:04] <level1> jordo23: are you serios?
[07:04] <Lega> I'm sorry?
[07:04] <hydrogen> try this
[07:04] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, do you know if you have a Asus K8V-X SE or a Asus A7N8X-E Deluxe mainboard?
[07:04] <daSkreech> naknomik: umm check adept ?
[07:04] <jordo23> level1: Yes....(I know to try that too)... :)
[07:04] <hydrogen> sudo chown <YOURUSERNAME>: /mnt/harddrive
[07:04] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, I don't know. Only thing I know about it is that it is a nVidia board.
[07:05] <level1> jordo23: this is more than your everyday annoyance
[07:05] <Lega> Changing ownership of '/mnt/harddrive': read only file system.
[07:05] <jordo23> level1 intelikey: Didn't think of trying browser ID though...that worked... thanks guys...
[07:05] <hydrogen> Lega: mm
[07:05] <hydrogen> Lega: umount /mnt/harddrive first
[07:05] <hydrogen> then try that
[07:05] <level1> jordo23: yeah, browser id is probably konquerors most important feature
[07:06] <jordo23> level1: Yeah....got so comfortable for a while, forgot you could change it....oops
[07:06] <level1> is there a way I can add torvalds to the list of ubotu factoids? it seems like an awful ommision
[07:06] <emonkey> Does anybody know a command which we can check what mainboard we have?
[07:06] <mefisto__> is there a gui for changing user passwords?
[07:06] <Lega> Was chown supposed to be done in root?
[07:06] <hydrogen> mefisto__: user manager in system settings
[07:07] <hydrogen> Lega: yea
[07:07] <mefisto__> thanks hydrogen
[07:07] <hydrogen> or with sudo
[07:07] <daSkreech> emonoes  to mindkey: lshw comes
[07:07] <level1> jordo23: konqueror would be great if its rendering engine didn't blow up on non-standard complaint pages (not konqs fault, but still)
[07:07] <intelikey> i think hydrogen is still trying to crack my server....
[07:07] <hydrogen> course I am!
[07:07] <daSkreech> emonkey: lshw comes to mind
[07:07] <intelikey> :)
[07:07] <Lega> Argh, still permission denied.
[07:07] <hydrogen> right after I crack my pillow
[07:07] <hydrogen> time for bed
[07:07] <hydrogen> kn8
[07:07] <hydrogen> sorry lega
[07:07] <daSkreech> Lega: What did you mount as?
[07:07] <hydrogen> someone else will help you i'm sure
[07:08] <jordo23> level1: Yeah.....Konq is my favorite browser of all time. I hope they don't ditch it in KDE 4. I know it'll be there, but I hope they still develop and refine it...
[07:08] <Meowmixiscoo> lshw just spammed me with a ton of info
[07:08] <Lega> It is alright, thanks for all your help! :D
[07:08] <daSkreech> Lega: this is Fstab ?
[07:08] <Lega> Yes.
[07:08] <daSkreech> Meowmixiscoo: sorry "_"
[07:08] <intelikey> Lega  let me ask again in case you saw my q and i didn't see your answer.    what fs is that  ntfs vfat ext# rieserfs ???
[07:08] <daSkreech> lshw | less
[07:08] <emonkey> daSkreech, thx I'll try out
[07:08] <Lega> ntfs, intelikey.
[07:08] <level1> jordo23: I'm not sure about the introduction of dolphin either, but it probably just means that konqueror will become more specifically a browser, which isn't bad
[07:08] <naknomik> I installed kweather but it doesn't show up in the applet list.
[07:09] <Lega> So I unmounted as normal user, then sudo chown <username>: /mnt/harddrive/, then I mounted.
[07:09] <Lega> Wait.
[07:09] <intelikey> umask=222
[07:09] <Lega> I might have it.
[07:09] <level1> naknomik: well, you might have to log out and log back in, or restart kicker
[07:09] <Meowmixiscoo> The only identifier there is a bunch of stuff about it being a Dell computer =/
[07:09] <pillowpants> how do you uninstall from the shell?
[07:09] <Lega> Ugh, nope.
[07:09] <jordo23> level1: I think it is....because I like the way Konq is like a swiss army knife....I like when one app does the work of three or for.....imo....
[07:09] <pillowpants> dpkg --uninstall?
[07:09] <intelikey> or    umask=000,ro
[07:09] <Lega> Still no permission as normal user into the harddrive.
[07:09] <naknomik> level1: can I restart kicker without disrupting running programs?
[07:10] <flake> that was an exercise in futility
[07:10] <intelikey> pillowpants apt-get remove blah
[07:10] <Jucato> naknomik: yes
[07:10] <pillowpants> intelikey: thanks
[07:10] <Jucato> naknomik: Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:10] <level1> jordo23: yeah, i'm disappointed that they will be moving more stuff to external viewers... konqueror is really a veiwer at heart, its like taking away its soul
[07:10] <flake> thank God for stuff like putty and shared drives
[07:10] <jordo23> level1: When you enable Desktop Sharing in Kubuntu.....is there a way that you can have it accept connections automatically? So i can connect to tightvnc at work etc?
[07:10] <Jucato> hi jordo23
[07:10] <Lega> Hmm... hmm. I have no clue.
[07:10] <rrbiz> someone know which one of those ugly gstreamer files is for MP3's ?
[07:10] <level1> jordo23: I donno, I use ssh for that stuff, am i'm not very good at it
[07:10] <jordo23> Jucato!!
[07:10] <Jucato> :)
[07:11] <jordo23> Jucato: Do you use vnc in Kubuntu?
[07:11] <Jucato> rrbiz: if you're on Kubuntu, using Amarok/Kaffeine with Xine, you don't need/want those gstreamer things
[07:11] <Jucato> jordo23: sorry, nope
[07:11] <intelikey> !info sshfs | jordo23 here's a thought,
[07:11] <ubotu> jordo23 here's a thought,: sshfs: filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-1 (feisty), package size 29 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:11] <level1> naknomik: I don't know what the command is, but maybe "killall kicker && kicker"
[07:11] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, found my info
[07:11] <Jucato> level1: [13:10]  <Jucato> naknomik: Alt+F2, dcop kicker kicker restart
[07:11] <jordo23> intelikey: Will look into it...thanks intelikey.....
[07:12] <jordo23> Talk to you all later.....
[07:12] <intelikey> jordo23 that will use public keys also
[07:12] <jordo23> going to bed.
[07:12] <Lega> Okay, everything is unmounted for now.
[07:12] <Jucato> night jordo23
[07:12] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, cool and know do you know at least the vendor of the motherboard?
[07:12] <jordo23> intelikey: will do....thanks.
[07:12] <Meowmixiscoo> nVidia
[07:12] <level1> Jucato: oops, missed that
[07:12] <intelikey> welcome
[07:12] <jordo23> Jucato: night...
[07:12] <naknomik> level1: I tried both none work. Kicker is gone after killall kicker, but running kicker again I get message that it's running already, when it is not.
[07:12] <level1> naknomik: oops
[07:12] <daSkreech> level1: They moved one thing from Konqueror!
[07:12] <rrbiz> Jucato: i'm using amarok, trying to stream the cool playlists, and keeps erroring out saying i have no demux for it, already dl gxine also and still no
[07:13] <Jucato> rrbiz: libxine-extracodecs
[07:13] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, not the graphixccardboard, the motherboard it should be at the top of lshw command, somethin like that:
[07:13] <emonkey>   *-core
[07:13] <emonkey>        description: Motherboard
[07:13] <emonkey>        product: 26478BG
[07:13] <emonkey>        vendor: IBM
[07:13] <level1> daSkreech: ?
[07:13] <naknomik> level1: OK, waiting for sometime and then running kicker again got me my kicker back.
[07:13] <Jucato> naknomik: the dcop command I gave didn't work?
[07:13] <daSkreech> rrbiz: just click on it again
[07:14] <daSkreech> rrbiz: I have no idea why it does that
[07:14] <naknomik> Jucato: no.
[07:14] <Meowmixiscoo> Product: OXH241 Vendor: Dell Inc.
[07:14] <level1> naknomik: actually, I had just that happen to me too today... funny that you can "killall" a program and it'll still take its sweet time
[07:14] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, hmk... some oem product I think... should be no problem. (in most cases)
[07:15] <intelikey> level1 use a higher priority signal
[07:15] <Lega> Arrrgh.
[07:15] <rrbiz> okay, already had libxine-extracodecs, now after i closed it out another time, it finally started streaming, cool thnx
[07:15] <intelikey> -6  -9  -15
[07:15] <rafael> why whenever i change settings they are never applied?
[07:15] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, one soltuion is maybe to deactivate the propritary driver and using the OSS driver
[07:15] <daSkreech> rrbiz: Yeah no idea
[07:15] <intelikey> progressive ^
[07:15] <rrbiz> yeah odd
[07:15] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, worth a shot. So... How would one go about doing that >.<
[07:15] <Lega> So any ideas or not really? I've learned a lot of things so far, at the least. :D
[07:15] <daSkreech> rrbiz: I just click it when the error comes up click it again
[07:16] <intelikey> Lega may i see the line that describes it in your fstab ?
[07:16] <daSkreech> Lega: give me the line  that you use to mount
[07:16] <daSkreech> Yeah that thing :)
[07:16] <Lega> Okay, the fstab line is as such:
[07:16] <Lega> "/dev/sda1	/mnt/harddrive	ntfs	defaults,users	0	0"
[07:16] <Lega> Er. Tabbing screws up.
[07:16] <Lega> One sec.
[07:16] <intelikey> ok. you need some masks
[07:17] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, to activate the OSS driver just edit "nvidia" to "nv" in the xorg.conf file. You've to edit with root privileges. use sudo vi of you know vi, otherwise open a root kate with kdesu kate
[07:17] <daSkreech> umask=0022
[07:17] <Lega> "/dev/sda1<tab>/mnt/harddrive<tab>ntfs<taB>defaults,users<tab>0<tab>0"
[07:17] <Lega> What is a mask?
[07:17] <intelikey> "/dev/sda1       /mnt/harddrive  ntfs    defaults,users,fmask=133,dmask=022,ro  0       0"
[07:17] <daSkreech> !umask
[07:17] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about umask - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:18] <intelikey> if you are using the ntfs-3g driver or fuse  you can drop the ,ro
[07:18] <Lega> I know not what you speak of either in reference to ntfs-3g or fuse.
[07:18] <intelikey> !ntfs-3g
[07:18] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[07:19] <intelikey> !fuse
[07:19] <ubotu> FUSE (Filesystem in Userspace) is a !kernel driver that allows non-root users to create their own filesystems. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filesystem_in_Userspace for more on FUSE.  Some examples of filesystems that use FUSE are !ntfs-3g, sshfs and isofs. A full list of Filesystems that use FUSE is here:  http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FileSystems
[07:19] <Lega> Interesting.
[07:19] <intelikey> that   ^    but
[07:19] <Lega> Far too over my head at the moment, though. :E
[07:19] <intelikey> just add the things i added and try it
[07:19] <Lega> Okay.
[07:19] <flake> anyone else having trouble installing nvidia 100.11.14 drivers?  I think it's trying to tell me I don't have a GPU but my card is in the supported list
[07:20] <Daisuke-Ido> what card?
[07:20] <Lega> Yessssssssssssssssss.
[07:21] <level1> flake: I expirienced random crashes and lockups with that version... your experience may vary
[07:21] <flake> 6800 GT
[07:21] <intelikey> it is read only.   that's for the fs's own good.
[07:21] <flake> or GTX maybe
[07:21] <Lega> Like magic, intelikey, like magic.
[07:21] <intelikey> it is read only.   that's for the fs's own good.
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: why are you even trying to install those super-new drivers?
[07:21] <Lega> Right.
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> they offer you nothing.
[07:21] <flake> ok, i'll keep my 1.0.97
[07:21] <Lega> Oh... I need to copy something off of it.
[07:21] <level1> Daisuke-Ido: because new stuff is cool
[07:21] <Lega> Hmm. :E
[07:21] <flake> lol
[07:21] <Lega> I'm elated that I can get to it, though.
[07:21] <Meowmixiscoo> kate gives me an error: cannot connect to X server
[07:21] <Daisuke-Ido> nvidia-glx will work for you
[07:21] <Lega> Actually, I might not.
[07:21] <Meowmixiscoo> and I have no idea how to use vi
[07:21] <flake> cause it's supposedly the supported stuff
[07:21] <Lega> Thanks very much. :D
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> if you MUST, you can go with nividia-glx-new
[07:22] <intelikey> you're welcome
[07:22] <naknomik> What is the Dock Application Bar?
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: installing the drivers from the site isn't supported, they're in the repositories.
[07:22] <Lega> If I would like to be able to copy something off of it, how many hoops would I need to jump through?
[07:22] <flake> ohh
[07:22] <daSkreech> Lega: Just copy
[07:22] <Lega> I can do that?
[07:22] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, any other ideas?
[07:22] <Lega> Cool.
[07:22] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: trust me, you will have a lot less headaches.
[07:23] <Lega> Man, I took so much for granted using windows. >.<
[07:23] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, do you know nano or another command line based editor?
[07:23] <Lega> Loving Kubuntu so far, though.
[07:23] <flake> I'm in that redhat mood I guess
[07:23] <Meowmixiscoo> nope, but I'm not put off to learning.
[07:23] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: understandable
[07:23] <daSkreech> Lega: I know :)
[07:23] <Lega> Oh, there is one more thing that is probably really quick, dealing with super karamba.
[07:23] <Lega> :D
[07:23] <Daisuke-Ido> most of what you'll ever need is in the repos (20k+ packages)
[07:24] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, and did you try K-Menue > rund command > kdesu kate?
[07:24] <level1> Meowmixiscoo: "editor" is pretty user freindly as command line editors go
[07:24] <Lega> I restarted kde using the ctrl+alt+backspace, and when I started everything back up, Tweaker Moniter in super karamba was missing.
[07:24] <flake> repo says I have it installed, which I did manually so I'm good I think
[07:24] <Meowmixiscoo> I don't have a gui. I'm having to run in the recovery mode
[07:24] <Lega> And when I went to reinstall it from the "get new things" button in Karamba, the install button was greyed out.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> flake: as long as you're using 'nvidia' in xorg.conf, you should be fine
[07:25] <Lega> I have no idea where the Tweak moniter is residing on my system, or how to get Karamba to recognize it again.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> edit.exe
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> brings a tear to my eye every time
[07:25] <naknomik> What is Dock Application Bar?
[07:25] <intelikey> that's really starting to tic me off.
[07:25] <Daisuke-Ido> but then again, so does quickbasic
[07:26] <ScorpKing> hi dwidmann
[07:27] <Lega> Ah. Well, I'll fix that one another day.
[07:27] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you ant to try a command line editor try nano, vi or editor (thy level1 ), we'll help you using it
[07:27] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, I have nano up.
[07:27] <Lega> I'm off, many thanks for all your help intelikey and Skreech~
[07:27] <level1> don't forget emacs!
[07:27] <n8k99> no no forget emacs
[07:28] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, go down to the driver section and replace "nvidia" with "nv"
[07:28] <n8k99> <_<
[07:28] <intelikey> i'm thinking about changing OS's
[07:28] <Meowmixiscoo> emonkey, you're a couple steps ahead of me.
[07:28] <daSkreech> Vista!
[07:28] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, ok  tell where you are
[07:29] <intelikey> at least it's not bloated.
[07:29] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, ou of course you've to open the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file first
[07:29] <emonkey> you can open it with nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:30] <intelikey> as root
[07:30] <djfito1> HOLA ALGUIEN DE MEXICO
[07:30] <intelikey> !es | djfito1
[07:30] <ubotu> djfito1: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:30] <mefisto__> or sudoedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:30] <djfito1> GRACIAS
[07:30] <flake> every time I reboot, I have 2 internal drives I have to give a password for before I can browse/use them on the system.
[07:31] <emonkey> mefisto__, intelikey would be grat if you can takeover Meowmixiscoo because I've to go to the university ...
[07:31] <intelikey> flake nice.  how did you set that up ?
[07:31] <flake> I don't remember, I know I used some gui tool called NTFS config tool
[07:32] <kirk> Hey everyone
[07:32] <intelikey> flake ah.  never seen that myself,  it's later than dapper
[07:32] <intelikey> kirk
[07:32] <flake> where can I find my 'mounts'
[07:33] <intelikey> command   mount
[07:33] <kirk> are you trying to add another hard drive?
[07:33] <daSkreech> flake: type mount
[07:33] <intelikey> df -h
[07:33] <intelikey> cat /proc/mounts
[07:33] <intelikey> cat /etc/mtab
[07:33] <intelikey> pick your take....
[07:33] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, if you have opened the file and edited like I'm wrote. save and close the file and do a normal reboot. hopefully it works. If there more problem, ask again in here. Unfortunately I've to go to university
[07:33] <flake> ahh
[07:34] <ScorpKing> flake: take a look at /etc/fstab as well, maybe there is some mount options there that cause that. not sure where you have to type the passwd.
[07:34] <Meowmixiscoo__> emonkey, modem died.
[07:34] <emonkey> Meowmixiscoo, have a good day and good luck with your driver problem.
[07:34] <Meowmixiscoo__> kk, thanks =] 
[07:35] <emonkey> sorry but I really have to go know..
[07:35] <emonkey> bye
[07:35] <Meowmixiscoo__> Cya.
[07:35] <intelikey> C++ya
[07:35] <Meowmixiscoo__> lol
[07:35] <flake> I think I see now, I have to put the entry(s) from /etc/mounts into /etc/fstab
[07:35] <ScorpKing> no
[07:36] <ScorpKing> flake: where does it ask for the passwd?
[07:36] <flake> in a file window, right click and mount
[07:36] <intelikey> oh wait.  i know what it's doing.   it's asking for his user password because of sudo       duh
[07:36] <ScorpKing> :)
[07:37] <intelikey> yes putting entries in fstab will stop that.      if done correctly
[07:37] <flake> it lists the partition, when I try to view it it asks for password then changes to disk or disk1, etc
[07:37] <flake> and now I know how to rename my drive names too
[07:38] <ScorpKing> flake: can you pastebin the output from mount and /etc/fstab for us. :)
[07:38] <ScorpKing> mount the drives frist
[07:39] <Meowmixiscoo__> Ok, so, in xorg.conf what do I change to reset my graphic driver?
[07:40] <FunnyLookinHat> Any Gutsy testers around?  Just curious if the decision to have compiz enabled by default in 7.10 Ubuntu will also be in 7.10 Kubuntu.
[07:40] <intelikey> the line that says             Driver  "nv"      to  Driver "nvidia"       or what ever it is...
[07:40] <Meowmixiscoo__> it says Driver   "nvidia"
[07:40] <Meowmixiscoo__> which is the problem =P
[07:40] <intelikey> to "nv" then....
[07:41] <Meowmixiscoo__> Thanks.
    i can't stay connected long enough to help anyone, or even keep up with their issues.
[07:41] <Meowmixiscoo__> Is there a command to resrart my computer?
[07:41] <mefisto__> reboot?
[07:41] <mefisto__> sudo reboot
[07:41] <intelikey> yes but you probably only need to   init 2
[07:42] <Meowmixiscoo__> that was easy.
[07:42] <Jucato> sudo shutdown -r now
[07:42] <ScorpKing> or sudo init 6
[07:42] <Jucato> (the longest option :))
[07:42] <intelikey> no need to reboot    for xorg issues fellows
[07:42] <Meowmixiscoo__> I was running in recovery mode.
[07:42] <flake> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37389/
[07:42] <intelikey> init 2
[07:43] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo__ like i said     init 2
[07:43] <bart_> hello all
[07:43] <bart_> I got a little problem
[07:43] <rafael> why in the hell kubuntu keeps saying that my video card is VESA and not a Geforce 7?
[07:43] <flake> hi bart_, whasssup
[07:43] <bart_> When I installed compiz I dont have a title bar anymore 0.o
[07:44] <bart_> I use Ubuntu
[07:44] <intelikey> bart_ that's normal
[07:44] <bart_> really?
[07:44] <bart_> how to get it back?
[07:44] <ScorpKing> flake: is sdb1 an internal drive?
[07:45] <intelikey> have  to ask someone else about that.     but i see that same complaint 100X/day
[07:45] <bart_> intelikey: How to get my title bar (with maximize minimize etc)
[07:45] <flake> yes
[07:45] <bart_> oh
[07:45] <bart_> well, I got it a thousand times
[07:45] <intelikey> :)
[07:45] <bart_> And never could solve it
[07:45] <ScorpKing> flake: install ntfs-3g
[07:45] <Daisuke-Ido> #ubuntu-effects is your best bet
[07:45] <mefisto__> rafael: I think that's pretty common when video is not fully and correctly configured
[07:45] <flake> I did, and I have ran it multiple times
[07:45] <tazgodx> bart_:
[07:45] <tazgodx> Try adding the following to the Device section in xorg.conf and see if it helps:
[07:45] <tazgodx> Option "XAANoOffscreenPixmaps" "true"
[07:46] <intelikey> bart_ kde or gnome ?
[07:46] <bart_> ok
[07:46] <flake> I'll be ok with adding it to the fstab
[07:46] <bart_> just ubuntu feisty blahblah
[07:46] <intelikey> then gnome.    and i think you'll want the  #ubuntu  channel
[07:46] <bart_> ok
[07:47] <ScorpKing> flake: can't remember the options off hand. looking it up. one sec
[07:47] <bart_> first Il try taxgox
[07:47] <tazgodx> it was somthing similar to that, taht fixed mine
[07:47] <flake> but then I kinda like the added security
[07:48] <tazgodx> if that doesn't work just search the compiz forums for missing titlebar and you will see a bunch of posts
[07:48] <Meowmixiscoo__> *sigh* I'm just going to format and start over.
[07:48] <intelikey> flake you can 'rm /etc/fstab' if you like the added security of having to manually mount things....      ;/
[07:49] <daSkreech> intelikey: Umm how would he boot?
[07:49] <intelikey> fstab is not needed for boot up
[07:49] <bart_> nobody in the ubuntu channel seems to be active :)
[07:49] <rgrolemund> night peeps
[07:49] <flake> yes, i need to password protect my cdrom
[07:50] <daSkreech> intelikey: It makes it a lot nicer
[07:50] <flake> and floppy too
[07:50] <intelikey> daSkreech the root fs is mounted by the initramfs.img  while it still can't read the /etc/fstab
[07:50] <ScorpKing> flake: here it is - http://www.linux-faqs.com/faq/misc/ntfs.php
[07:50] <mefisto__> intelikey: no fstab would mean it would boot, but EVERYTHING would need to be mounted manually, right?
[07:50] <daSkreech> intelikey: I know that' or it wouldn't know where /etc is to find /etc/fstab
[07:51] <intelikey> circular reasoning to think that you need to read something on an fs to be able to mount the fs so you can read something on the fs
[07:51] <tazgodx> bart_: you should probably just read some forums for that problem, its an easy fix. quick compiz forum search for "missing title bar"
[07:51] <intelikey> mefisto__ everything except the root fs
[07:52] <mefisto__> intelikey: OK, makes sense. I was just wondering how you would have access to the mount cmds if the root fs was not mounted.
[07:52] <intelikey> same way you do now.
[07:53] <intelikey> it's in the initramfs.img
[07:53] <mefisto__> intelikey: and would the root fs be ro access without fstab?
[07:54] <intelikey> and for systems that don't depend on an initramfs.img  the kernel mounts the root fs according to the  "root=..."  part of the boot option.
[07:54] <intelikey> mefisto__ that would depend on your init scripts    chkroot.sh in particular
[07:54] <intelikey> that's normally where the root fs is remounted rw
[07:56] <intelikey> i ran this system without an fstab file for quite some time.   but i also wrote my own init /+scripts
[07:56] <daSkreech> I remember you doing that
[07:56] <mefisto__> intelikey: where is chkroot.sh? I can't locate it
[07:56] <intelikey> in /etc/init.d/
[07:57] <intelikey> should be.  may not have the .sh extention
[07:57] <intelikey> like i said i wrote my own.
[07:57] <intelikey> put me so far out of touch with default ubuntu i really can't say...
[07:58] <Souless> Can someone help me out with my monitor resolution?
[07:58] <Meowmixiscoo__> I give up. I swear my desktop PC is cursed.
[07:58] <mefisto__> intelikey: mine is checkroot.sh, not chkroot
[07:58] <intelikey> mefisto__ ah full spelling.   yeah that's it.
[07:59] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  whats wrong?
[07:59] <daSkreech> !resolution | Souless
[07:59] <ubotu> Souless: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:59] <Meowmixiscoo__> kkathman, I'm not even sure at this point.
[07:59] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  well, how about a list of things ?
[08:00] <intelikey> mefisto__ and let me guess it's bloated to cover every possable root drive/filesystem    correct ?   mine is like 9 lines long....    errr no that one has some special things in it,   29 lines.
[08:00] <Meowmixiscoo__> Diagnostic lights on my tower just flashed a generic error, Kubuntu wont start up. Reformatting just to see if my hardware might be the issue.
[08:01] <mefisto__> intelikey: mine is 410 lines
[08:01] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  hmm, well after formatting, try the ubuntu live disk first, that will detect any faulty or difficult hardware
[08:02] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  if the live disk comes up and performs ok, then try installation
[08:02] <mefisto__> Meowmixiscoo__: does livecd start?
[08:02] <kkathman> mefisto__:  thats what I just said :)
[08:02] <Meowmixiscoo__> Live disk starts, but it had some graphical issues until I started it in graphic safe mode.
[08:02] <mefisto__> kkathman: yeah I saw it after I typed
[08:02] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what kind of issues?
[08:02] <intelikey> mine does the most basic testing.    fsck /dev/root && mount -o remount,rw / || {a failure function...}
[08:03] <Meowmixiscoo__> Rainbows, resolution looked like it wa about 5x larger than my screen.
[08:03] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what kind of video card do you have?
[08:03] <Meowmixiscoo__> GeForce 6800
[08:03] <kkathman> wow that should be just fine, doesnt even need the newest driver :)
[08:04] <Meowmixiscoo__> Yeah =/
[08:04] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  what did you do in safe mode?
[08:05] <Meowmixiscoo__> Right now? I'm formatting and reinstalling Kubuntu.
[08:05] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:  dont reinstall, until you resolve the live CD if possible
[08:06] <kkathman> Meowmixiscoo__:   you dont have 2 monitors or anything like that?
[08:06] <Meowmixiscoo__> One Dell monitor.
[08:06] <kkathman> k
[08:09] <daSkreech> Koffee
[08:09] <daSkreech> With kaffiene :)
[08:09] <CoffeeThief> Hand it over.
[08:09] <ScorpKing> nope! i refuse.
[08:09] <CoffeeThief> =[ Dang.
[08:09] <ScorpKing> :/
[08:13] <ScorpKing> intelikey: how can i mount a encrypted disk at boot reading the password from a file on a usb disk?
[08:14] <intelikey> mefisto__ note.  that is non-generic.   i wouldn't advise anyone to just unpack that and without configuring it expect it to work on their box
[08:14] <intelikey> ScorpKing anything you can do from the command line you can do from an init script
[08:15] <intelikey> or should i say "anyting root can do, init can do."
[08:15] <intelikey> +1
[08:15] <ScorpKing> i know but i'm always having problems creating scripts. :)
[08:16] <intelikey> history -f ;start issuing the command needed ;exit and use the .bash_history file as the script
[08:17] <ScorpKing> and where do i add it to be auto? checkroot.sh?
[08:17] <Meowmixiscoo> Ok. Now that Kubuntu is working for me again, any suggestions on how not to screw things up?
[08:18] <ScorpKing> Meowmixiscoo: don't use anything sudo. lol
[08:18] <Meowmixiscoo> >.<
[08:18] <intelikey> ScorpKing /etc/rc.local   unless it needs to exec earily
[08:19] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo it works    if it asks for a password, don't run it...
[08:19] <intelikey> or remove your self from sudoers    that works too
[08:19] <Jucato> (specially if it says that intelikey is asking for it...)
[08:19] <ScorpKing> intelikey: it will just be to mount encrypted data drive eg, hdb on /mnt/data. that will do. thanks.
[08:19] <intelikey> here here
[08:20] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:20] <intelikey> ScorpKing welcome.
[08:20] <intelikey> and jucato is right
[08:20] <Jucato> hehe
[08:22] <intelikey> people in #bash say i can't script, (but my scripts always work for me)   and people in #*buntu say i can't fix a system   (but my system is working as i want)    and people in ##linux say i can't type....  errr i think they may be right...
[08:22] <Meowmixiscoo> lol
[08:22] <intelikey> :)
[08:22] <ScorpKing> haha
[08:24] <bart_> Here I am again
[08:24] <bart_> still got no title bar..
[08:24] <ScorpKing> intelikey: in rc.local it says - This script is executed at the end of each multiuser runlevel. - that means it will run after the system is up right? and how will i check an encrypted disk for errors at boot then?
[08:25] <intelikey> ScorpKing error checking should be done before mounting.
[08:25] <intelikey> ScorpKing you don't fsck a mounted fs.    try it and see.
[08:26] <ScorpKing> will that not mess up the encrypted data?
[08:26] <jussi01> anyone know how to get an arrow that goes from many bits into one for open office?
[08:26] <bart_> I dont have a title bar, this is my xorg.conf file: http://www.pastebin.ca/697066 what should I change?
[08:26] <intelikey> ScorpKing ummm  you are just outside my realm of exp there.
[08:26] <intelikey> encription...
[08:26] <bart_> #ubuntu
[08:27] <ScorpKing> lol. thanks anyway. will work on that...
[08:27] <intelikey> k
[08:27] <Meowmixiscoo> Haha. Fox messed up.
[08:28] <Meowmixiscoo> They were showing a line up and put Ton instead of Tonight.
[08:28] <ScorpKing> maybe they were tired. :)
[08:28] <intelikey> typo
[08:28] <intelikey> typo !
[08:28] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:28] <Meowmixiscoo> It's only 1:30 am!
[08:29] <intelikey> call the typing nazi's on them
[08:29] <ScorpKing> Meowmixiscoo: 08:29 by me.
[08:29] <ScorpKing> am
[08:29] <intelikey> 06:30
[08:29] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:29] <garfield> Me me 4
[08:30] <ScorpKing> i'm still awake. :P
[08:30] <intelikey> not me.   i've been asleep now for three point two decades
[08:30] <Meowmixiscoo> Ok, so, should I attempt to update my gfx with the nvidia-glx under Adept?
[08:30] <ScorpKing> haha
[08:31] <Meowmixiscoo> Or just keep using the common?
[08:31] <ScorpKing> are you going to use sudo?
[08:31] <ScorpKing> :D
[08:31] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo if it aint broke .........
[08:31] <garfield> lol
[08:31] <bart_> I dont have a title bar, this is my xorg.conf file: http://www.pastebin.ca/697066 what should I change?
[08:31] <Meowmixiscoo> intelikey, true
[08:32] <intelikey> some body help bart_ .    with the compiz thingy
[08:32] <bart_> :)
[08:32] <intelikey> pointy clicky thingies anyway
[08:32] <ScorpKing> lol
[08:32] <intelikey> don't know why y'all bother.
[08:33] <Meowmixiscoo> So, suppose I'm going to attempt to get WoW to work. Any advice on that?
[08:33] <intelikey> pointy clicky thingies anyway
[08:33] <intelikey> don't know why y'all bother.
[08:33] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo ^
[08:33] <flaccid> man dapper sux
[08:34] <ScorpKing> Meowmixiscoo: try kdesu next time. :P
[08:34] <intelikey> with such fiddle faddle, and rigamaroe..
[08:34] <intelikey> flaccid welcome to my world.
[08:34] <jussi01> !nixternal | intelikey
[08:34] <ubotu> intelikey: Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[08:35] <garfield> bart_: delet everything wa is befor # /etc/X11/xorg.conf (xorg X Window System server configuration file)
[08:35] <intelikey> !botsnack | jussi01
[08:35] <ubotu> jussi01: Yum! Err, I mean, APT!
[08:35] <flaccid> i can't even install kubuntu-desktop with normal repos
[08:35] <bart_> I already got helped in the compiz-fusion channel now :)
[08:35] <bart_> they know the problem
[08:35] <flaccid> due to broken packages apparently
[08:36] <jussi01> flaccid: dist-upgrade
[08:36] <intelikey> flaccid was that a clean install of dapper ?
[08:36] <flaccid> ok i'll try a dist-upgrade on it
[08:36] <flaccid> don't know to be honest, its a friends online
[08:36] <intelikey> flaccid and do you have "main universe" for updates and security enabled ?
[08:36] <flaccid> there is nothing to dist-upgrade
[08:36] <flaccid> yeah its all enabled
[08:36] <garfield> flaccid: u still have the problems with broken packages?
[08:37] <flaccid> yes
[08:37] <intelikey> backports
[08:37] <garfield> adept keep telling u an error msg?
[08:37] <intelikey> turn backports off and try it.
[08:37] <flaccid> im using apt-get
[08:37] <flaccid> http://pastebin.ca/697080
[08:38] <jussi01> gah, i justneed a freaking arrow....grrr
[08:38] <flaccid> same thing
[08:39] <garfield> flaccid: if adept not running try sudo apt-get -f install
[08:39] <intelikey> flaccid lets see the sources.list
[08:39] <flaccid> i just think its funny how its a 'impossible situation' yet im using standard reos
[08:39] <flaccid> repos
[08:39] <flaccid> ok
[08:39] <intelikey> i am using dapper btw
[08:39] <flaccid> here is the sources. http://pastebin.ca/697085
[08:39] <garfield> or if it crash on u and says it's lock try ...
[08:40] <mefisto__> thanks intelikey. just saw that dcc. I'll take a look later, when I'm less busy
[08:40] <garfield> !aptfix | flaccid
[08:40] <ubotu> flaccid: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[08:40] <flaccid> yep you are the unforunate LTS helper here lol
[08:40] <flaccid> there is no lock garfield
[08:41] <baudthief> Is a 2.4GHz machine w/224MB of ram sufficient to run kubuntu as a samba server?
[08:41] <intelikey> flaccid no main in updates or security
[08:41] <baudthief> I mean, would it be a noticable performance difference from say, the same machine running windows
[08:41] <intelikey> flaccid as i said "<intelikey> flaccid and do you have "main universe" for updates and security enabled ?"
[08:41] <garfield> im not realy that good in linux it just that adept keep crashing on me since the new kernel apair so my problems was allways to corect adept
[08:42] <aftertaf> baudthief: if you want it as a server, dont start x.
[08:42] <flaccid> intelikey: i just went to source-o-matic and used the normal sources
[08:42] <intelikey> oh wait.
[08:42] <baudthief> aftertaf: so no pointy clicky server? :\
[08:42] <intelikey> i think i over looked them
[08:42] <baudthief> lol might just install debian then
[08:42] <flaccid> yeah
[08:42] <intelikey> yes you have then.
[08:43] <intelikey> ok    sudo apt-get update
[08:43] <jussi01> dammmit.... I need an arrow!!
[08:43] <garfield> Me shoot jussi01 with an arrow
[08:43] <garfield> :)
[08:43] <aftertaf> baudthief: but why not have an X and see...... Its not that memory intensive! maybe give it more ram, is all id say the processor is fine
[08:44] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah the list is updated
[08:44] <baudthief> aftertaf: Well I have this 2.4GHz celeron machine that keeps shutting down on its own lol (running debian) - I might hack the 512MB ram out of it, and install it in the 2.4GHz P4 and try ubuntu + x
[08:44] <intelikey> flaccid and    sudo apt-get clean      "assuming you don't need to keep the cached packages"
[08:45] <flaccid> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
[08:45] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[08:45] <flaccid> yeah tried that too
[08:45] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 dapper
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in dapper
[08:46] <flaccid> it wants that
[08:46] <flaccid> somehow for adept which doesnt' exist
[08:46] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 breezy
[08:46] <flaccid> updates and main conflicting?
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in feisty
[08:46] <intelikey> !info libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 edgy
[08:46] <ubotu> Package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11 does not exist in edgy
[08:46] <jussi01> has anyone got ms office? go grab me an arrow? please?? the one that goes from manny bits into one...
[08:46] <intelikey> !find libapt-pkg-libc6
[08:47] <aftertaf> ram problem i think ... :)
[08:47] <ubotu> Found: apt
[08:47] <jussi01> flaccid: you could easy source a new sources list just to be sure...
[08:47] <intelikey> !find "libapt-pkg-libc6"
[08:47] <flaccid> jussi01: already done that..
[08:47] <jussi01> oh
[08:47] <jussi01> ok
[08:48] <flaccid> intelikey: its a bit weird yeah
[08:48] <intelikey> flaccid that is part of apt   libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6.so.3.11.0
[08:49] <flaccid> yes but it wants the package libapt-pkg-libc6.3-6-3.11
[08:49] <intelikey> flaccid sudo apt-get -d apt    and use dpkg to reinstall it
[08:49] <baudthief> forgot to ask lol - Is there a noticable performance difference between reading/writing to an NTFS drive than a native ext* drive?
[08:49] <flaccid> -d ?
[08:49] <baudthief> (wondering if I should 'convert' all the hdds in this machine from ntfs to ext)
[08:49] <intelikey> download only
[08:49] <intelikey> put's it in the cache dir
[08:50] <flaccid> invalid operation
[08:50] <jussi01> baudthief: If you can, do it, its much safer
[08:50] <intelikey> heh yeah  apt-get -d install apt
[08:50] <jussi01> ntfs still has some problems....
[08:50] <bart_> #beryl
[08:50] <flaccid> its already installed intelikey so can't d/l it again
[08:51] <baudthief> jussi01: no probs, are there any conversion tools? or should I move everything off the drives, format as ext3, then move everything back?
[08:51] <intelikey> yeah ya can.     sudo apt-get install -d --reinstall apt
[08:51] <jussi01> baudthief: the latter option
[08:51] <baudthief> done, thanks for your help!
[08:51] <flaccid> returns: Reinstallation of apt is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[08:52] <qmr> Hi, I'm using 704 and I can't get the openoffice quickstarter to work
[08:52] <qmr> it is set in OOo to be on, but it's not in my systray
[08:52] <intelikey> flaccid apt-get --version
[08:52] <qmr> wtf? :)
[08:53] <flaccid> apt 0.6.46.4ubuntu10 for linux i386 compiled on Mar 14 2007 17:43:24
[08:53] <intelikey> ?
[08:53] <intelikey> that's not dapper
[08:53] <intelikey> apt 0.6.43.3ubuntu2 for linux i386 compiled on Apr 18 2006 19:46:38
[08:53] <flaccid> what is it
[08:53] <intelikey> edgy maybe ???
[08:53] <flaccid> 1sec
[08:54] <intelikey> i'm all upto date  and that's my version ^
[08:54] <flaccid> ah, this dude accidently put feisty or edgy sources in the list once and so its like mixed now
[08:54] <flaccid> im going to dist-upgrade him to fiesty then
[08:54] <intelikey> yeah  he's not got dappere.
[08:54] <intelikey> dapper
[08:54] <intelikey> what kernel ?
[08:55] <flaccid> sorry about the time waster hey.
[08:55] <intelikey> 2.6.15-28 is dapper latest
[08:55] <flaccid> this is what he has loaded atm Linux kubuntu 2.6.15-29-386 #1 PREEMPT Wed Aug 29 13:20:33 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:55] <intelikey> flaccid ok maybe 29 i'll check that    i use a 2.4 kernel on this box.
[08:56] <flaccid> dang
[08:56] <flaccid> yeah i've done dapper to feisty before with lots of problems but i won in the end so i'll give it a try
[08:56] <intelikey> so even thouugh i'm all up to date my kernel is not.
[08:57] <pillowpants> i cant seem to find a .deb for zsnes for feisty amd64, and its not in the repos
[08:57] <intelikey> !info zsnes
[08:57] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[08:58] <rockets> How do I use kaffeine-gstreamer
[08:58] <flaccid> there is not one available, pillowpants
[08:58] <rockets> i installed it and kaffeine seems to still use xine
[08:58] <Meowmixiscoo> How do I get sound to work?
[08:58] <intelikey> looks like 32 bit only   maybe ?
[08:58] <pillowpants> i managed it before, but i dont remember how
[08:58] <intelikey> the 32 bit version ?
[08:58] <pillowpants> yeah
[08:59] <pillowpants> or something along those lines
[08:59] <pillowpants> i may have compiled it
[08:59] <pillowpants> http://board.zsnes.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=7371
[08:59] <intelikey> !sound | Meowmixiscoo you can look here,  but no using sudo, remember...
[08:59] <ubotu> Meowmixiscoo you can look here,  but no using sudo, remember...: If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[08:59] <pillowpants> im trying this technique
[09:00] <intelikey> flaccid ok just checked that kernel version is not in dapper *
[09:00] <intelikey> so that was probably some custom updates/upgrades
[09:01] <flaccid> yeah its called a n00b just selecting any repos
[09:01] <flaccid> 'oh i did do this one day' 'oh thanks i just wasted 3 hours'
[09:02] <intelikey> yep that's it.
[09:03] <flaccid> i think the impossible situation is going to be 9/10 that
[09:03] <Meowmixiscoo> !Players
[09:03] <ubotu> Audio (Ogg, MP3...) players: Audacious, Banshee, Beep Media Player, Quod Libet, Rhythmbox, XMMS (GTK/Gnome based) and Amarok, JuK (Qt/KDE based).  Video players: Totem, Xine, MPlayer, VLC, Kaffeine  -  See also !codecs
[09:04] <intelikey> yes at least   maybe 11/10 even...
[09:04] <flake> clear
[09:04] <flake> ls
[09:04] <flake> doh
[09:04] <intelikey> /clear
[09:05] <intelikey> flake you can use the irc client as a shell if you need or want to    /exec ls
[09:05] <flaccid> ok doing upgrade now in prep. for dist-upgrade
[09:05] <shibu> is there anyone who can give me some advice on streaming rtp packets
[09:06] <intelikey> just remember that commands that tie up the terminal will tie up the irc client too
[09:06] <aftertaf> intelikey: or use Screen, no?
[09:06] <flake> cool
[09:07] <intelikey> aftertaf from within the irc client...   i guess you could
[09:07] <flake> Niccce, is # 4 terminal in all Kazakhstan
[09:07] <aftertaf> lol
[09:07] <flaccid> intelikey:  got a apt error thats non fatal
[09:08] <flaccid> intelikey: how to get rid of : http://pastebin.ca/697113 ?
[09:09] <shibu> pls anybody who can help me in streaming?
[09:09] <shibu> I'm in urgent need
[09:09] <shibu> pls pls pls
[09:09] <flaccid> no shibu
[09:10] <jussi01> !ask | shibu
[09:10] <ubotu> shibu: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[09:10] <flaccid> here is not really the place for help on rtp packets..
[09:10] <shibu> I have to send RTP packets
[09:10] <intelikey> LC_ALL=C command
[09:10] <shibu> can u suggest me any channel which can help me?
[09:11] <flaccid> unfortunately not shibu
[09:11] <shibu> because I'm in such an urgent need
[09:11] <shibu> its ok
[09:11] <shibu> thanks for sparing ur time for me
[09:11] <flaccid> everything is urgent for everyone usually :)
[09:11] <flaccid> np
[09:12] <intelikey> flaccid that is a temporarry fix.    setting the LC_ALL var before the command,  when you have finished the dist-upgrade if it doesn't take care of that we'll edit the /etc/environment
[09:13] <yayan> tets
[09:13] <intelikey> ?
[09:13] <flaccid> ok i'll see if it remains when i get to feisty. you are right this is a dapper issue
[09:15] <number> Hello - is better install ubuntu or kubuntu? It is only one graphical manager in each version - so I can not run KDE in Ubuntu?
[09:15] <Neutrinux> hi, is there a tuto to get kubuntu 7.04 hibernate or suspend?
[09:15] <Yz85Racer> hey
[09:16] <Yz85Racer> how do you get wine on Kubuntu?
[09:16] <aftertaf> Neutrinux: i'd check on ubuntuforums, google those keywords and you will find...
[09:16] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: adept, synaptic, apt... its in the repos
[09:17] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: or google for wine ubuntu feisty and you'll find a newer reopsitory
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> say what? i tryed adept
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> but theres like
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> 3 things
[09:17] <intelikey> number and why not ?
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> well
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> teres libwine
[09:17] <Yz85Racer> libwine-dev
[09:18] <aftertaf> get just wine.
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> winefish
[09:18] <aftertaf> the rest will come if needed
[09:18] <number> intelikey: I do not know - I read that on Ubuntu is Gnome and in Kubuntu is KDE, so...
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> How?
[09:18] <Yz85Racer> that;s waht I want too know
[09:18] <intelikey> number  you can install kde gnome fluxbox blackbox icewm xfce4 and any/all other gui's in any of the *buntu versions.
[09:19] <Neutrinux> aftertaf: i check
[09:19] <intelikey> number the default gui for ubuntu is gnome   the default for kubuntu is kde   the default for xubuntu is xfce4  ....
[09:19] <Yz85Racer> so... how do I get wine?
[09:19] <intelikey> !wine
[09:19] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:19] <Jucato> Yz85Racer: just install "wine"
[09:19] <number> intelikey: ok thx - so I will not be downloading both versions Kubuntu and Ubuntu if on each I can run KDE or GNOME
[09:19] <Yz85Racer> like i said
[09:19] <Yz85Racer> HOW?
[09:19] <intelikey> Yz85Racer package manager of your choice     and install it.
[09:19] <Meowmixiscoo_> Through Adept
[09:19] <Yz85Racer> adept doesnt have it... its got 3
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> umm ok
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> which one
[09:20] <Meowmixiscoo_> Just download the plain Wine
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> libwine
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> libwine-dev
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> and
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> winefish
[09:20] <intelikey> none of the above.
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> well
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> now?
[09:20] <intelikey> !repos | Yz85Racer
[09:20] <ubotu> Yz85Racer: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> it doesnt have ANY
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> ffs
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> apart from them,
[09:20] <intelikey> read the link      ^
[09:20] <Meowmixiscoo_> =/ Try refreshing it?
[09:20] <Yz85Racer> i did?
[09:20] <Meowmixiscoo_> Weird.
[09:21] <intelikey> oh you did.    and you enabled the other repositories ?
[09:21] <pillowpants> i just accident xkilled my taskbar
[09:21] <pillowpants> what should i do?
[09:21] <intelikey> and you refreshed the list and you still don't have wine in the package list.
[09:21] <Yz85Racer> say what intelikey
[09:21] <intelikey> don't   BS me
[09:21] <Yz85Racer> im not
[09:21] <Yz85Racer> well
[09:21] <intelikey> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> whats the refresh button? its the fetch updates
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> one
[09:22] <Yz85Racer> right?
[09:22] <pillowpants> crl +alt + esc = accidently clicked the skull and bones on taskbar
[09:22] <number> bye :)
[09:22] <pillowpants> now its gone, and id like it back
[09:22] <pillowpants> heh
[09:22] <intelikey> pillowpants alt+f2 kicker
[09:22] <pillowpants> ah, thank you
[09:23] <pillowpants> ill keep that in mind
[09:23] <intelikey> :)
[09:23] <Meowmixiscoo_> What does ctrl+alt+esc do?
[09:23] <pillowpants> xkill
[09:23] <Yz85Racer> well
[09:23] <pillowpants> terminates what ever you click on
[09:23] <Yz85Racer> how do i get wine ffs? I have searche
[09:23] <intelikey> runs   xkill    you then point it what you want to die
[09:23] <Yz85Racer> and none work
[09:24] <intelikey> yz  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:24] <Yz85Racer> what about that
[09:24] <Yz85Racer> i have them all enabled
[09:25] <Meowmixiscoo_> Yz
[09:25] <Meowmixiscoo_> Go in to konsole
[09:25] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:25] <Meowmixiscoo_> type sudo apt-get install wine
[09:25] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo_ he'll still have adept open and that will error because of it.
[09:25] <Meowmixiscoo_> =/
[09:25] <Yz85Racer> Package wine is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[09:25] <Yz85Racer> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[09:25] <Yz85Racer> is only available from another source
[09:25] <Yz85Racer> E: Package wine has no installation candidate
[09:26] <Meowmixiscoo_> D'oh.
[09:26] <flaccid> !pastebin | Yz85Racer
[09:26] <ubotu> Yz85Racer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> mate
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> its 4 lines..
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> lol
[09:27] <intelikey> not in his repos.   so if he has the full repos in the sources.list then one of two things.   either it's 64 bit system and no wine on k8    or the database needs updated
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> it's a 64-bit system
[09:27] <Yz85Racer> does that matter?
[09:27] <intelikey> it does
[09:28] <intelikey> !info wine fiesty64
[09:28] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[09:28] <qmr> My openoffice quickstart won't sit in kde tray, please help
[09:28] <intelikey> that didn't read the 64...
[09:28] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: stop flooding.
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> look
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> all i want too do
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> is run a game
[09:30] <flaccid> we can read
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> atch  Showerror  Tibia  Tibia.dat  Tibia.pic  Tibia.spr  Tibia.xpm
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> P
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> the first 3
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> are exe's
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> i go to the directory in konsole
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> and type
[09:30] <flaccid> exe is windows not linux.
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> ./Tibia
[09:30] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: stop flooding again
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> i meant
[09:30] <Yz85Racer> executable
[09:31] <flaccid> a .exe will not run on linux unless its run under wine or equivalent
[09:31] <Yz85Racer> i know..
[09:31] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: running win games with wine is not easy, even for experienced users.
[09:31] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: goto #wine
[09:31] <Yz85Racer> im not dumb on a computer.. just never used linux
[09:31] <aftertaf> a lot of ppl i know keep a windows partition just for gaming.
[09:31] <Yz85Racer> ohk nvm
[09:31] <Yz85Racer> i wont worry about wine
[09:31] <flaccid> good
[09:31] <Yz85Racer> but
[09:31] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: what have you used?
[09:32] <Yz85Racer> i go to my game's extracted directory
[09:32] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: i mezan by that thatis it not easy(tm), not that you are dumb ;)
[09:32] <Yz85Racer> windows and mac os
[09:32] <flaccid> Yz85Racer continues to flood. can someone ban him
[09:32] <Yz85Racer> im far from dumb on a comp
[09:32] <Yz85Racer> how am I flooding?
[09:32] <flaccid> i've already explained that
[09:32] <qmr> !enter
[09:32] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:32] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: its by pressing enter where a comma can be enough ;)
[09:33] <Yz85Racer> omg... ok
[09:33] <aftertaf> hehe
[09:33] <flaccid> also nobody ever said you were dumb
[09:33] <qmr> The channel is #winehq, not #wine
[09:33] <flaccid> thanks for the correction qmr
[09:33] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: thats where you go for wine help
[09:33] <Yz85Racer> but, anyway, i go to my games directory, (yes its linux) and type ./Tibia to run the game's exectuable, but it just says
[09:33] <Yz85Racer> bash: ./Tibia: No such file or directory
[09:34] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: type wine Tibia
[09:34] <intelikey> and it's not Tibia.exe ?
[09:34] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: that file doesn't exist in the pwd. linux is case sensitive too
[09:34] <Yz85Racer> no
[09:34] <Yz85Racer> i know
[09:35] <Yz85Racer> im typing it
[09:35] <Yz85Racer> exactly
[09:35] <Yz85Racer> im in the games directory
[09:35] <flaccid> file ./Tibia if it returns no such file or directory. then like it says, it doesn't exist
[09:35] <intelikey> !tab
[09:35] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[09:35] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: we don't help flooders... stop flloding!
[09:35] <aftertaf> Yz85Racer: try running wine [filename] 
[09:35] <[nrx] > !enter
[09:35] <[nrx] > :D
[09:35] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[09:36] <Yz85Racer> and it just says it doesnt exist, when im in the games directory it says "Tibia" i type "./Tibia"
[09:36] <Yz85Racer> Patch  Showerror  Tibia  Tibia.dat  Tibia.pic  Tibia.spr  Tibia.xpm
[09:36] <Yz85Racer> is what it says when i use ls in it directory
[09:36] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: what does file ./Tibia return?
[09:37] <Yz85Racer> bash: ./Tibia: No such file or directory
[09:37] <flaccid> please pastebin output of ls -l of that directory
[09:37] <intelikey> that's not what flaccid asked
[09:37] <judgen> How do i enable fsaa by default for a nvidia card?
[09:37] <intelikey>  file ./Tibia
[09:38] <Yz85Racer> ./Tibia: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[09:38] <Yz85Racer> is what that returns flaccid
[09:38] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: what does ls -l ./Tibia return?
[09:39] <Yz85Racer> ./Tibia: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped
[09:39] <flaccid> thats the file command i need ls -l
[09:40] <Yz85Racer> oooops
[09:40] <Yz85Racer> -rwxr-xr-x 1 kyle kyle 5175944 2007-06-26 20:36 ./Tibia
[09:40] <Yz85Racer> forgot ctrl + c dont work
[09:40] <Yz85Racer> lawl
[09:40] <intelikey> dumb de dumb dumb  DUMB! ......     </whistles>
[09:40] <waylandbill_> I assume you're running as 'kyle'
[09:41] <qmr> this ultravnc 'singleclick' addon talks about a reverse connection for people behind firewall.. can someone tell me how that works?
[09:41] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:41] <Yz85Racer> i am
[09:41] <flaccid> are you using bash?
[09:42] <waylandbill_> it's got x's across the board, so it wouldn't matter, but if it needs to save to an existing file could have trouble later. :)
[09:42] <intelikey> flaccid ?    ;/
[09:42] <Yz85Racer> erm
[09:42] <Yz85Racer> i dont know wtf bash is :P
[09:42] <intelikey> yz you are.
[09:42] <flaccid> have you tried running it absolutely. eg. /path/to/exec/Tibia
[09:43] <intelikey> the error messages    bash: blah.... kinda give that away
[09:43] <Yz85Racer> flaccid
[09:43] <Yz85Racer> -rwxr-xr-x 1 kyle kyle 5175944 2007-06-26 20:36 ./Tibia
[09:43] <[nrx] > <Yz85Racer> i dont know wtf bash is :P < -lol
[09:43] <intelikey> !info bash > Yz85Racer
[09:44] <waylandbill_> !bash
[09:44] <flaccid> thats not what i asked
[09:44] <Yz85Racer> ARGH
[09:44] <Yz85Racer> im so used to ctrl + c
[09:44] <ubotu> The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[09:44] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: call it absolutely. eg. /usr/bin/whoami
[09:44] <Yz85Racer> bash: /home/kyle/Desktop/Tibia/Tibia: No such file or directory
[09:44] <Yz85Racer> I DID
[09:44] <Yz85Racer> oops, sorry, caps lock
[09:45] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: and file /home/kyle/Desktop/Tibia/Tibia returns the same as before?
[09:45] <Yz85Racer> yes
[09:46] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: you have a weird problem. i don't know what it is. i would ask the experts in #bash
[09:46] <intelikey> y'all be nice.     we don't treat trolls that harshly.    @ self as much as anyone.
[09:47] <intelikey> Yz85Racer before you go to #bash try this.    export PATH="$PATH:/home/kyle/Desktop/Tibia" ;Tibia
[09:48] <flaccid> bash requires $PATH to do this?
[09:48] <Yz85Racer>  Tibia: command not found
[09:48] <intelikey> shouldn't   but it can.
[09:49] <flaccid> whats the right way to force remove with dpkg again ?
[09:50] <intelikey> Yz85Racer may i see the output of this command please.          ls -l /home/kyle/Desktop/Tibia
[09:50] <intelikey> !paste
[09:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[09:50] <[nrx] > flaccid: --force-remove?
[09:50] <intelikey> flaccid dpkg -P --force-all packagename
[09:50] <intelikey> err -P is purge
[09:50] <[nrx] > lol
[09:51] <flaccid> hmm not right still
[09:51] <[nrx] > dpkg remove --force
[09:51] <intelikey> ?
[09:51] <Yz85Racer> intelikey: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37393/
[09:52] <flaccid> hmmm
[09:53] <flaccid> accepted sudo dpkg -r --force-all xfonts-scalable but didn't remove it
[09:53] <intelikey> flaccid -P --force-all does work.  it may error  but the package will be removed    dpkg -l | grep package   will confirm
[09:54] <flaccid> check out the wierd status: iHR xfonts-scalable                        1.0.0-6                                scalable fonts for X
[09:54] <flaccid> intelikey: http://pastebin.ca/697149
[09:55] <intelikey> installed held Removed ???
[09:56] <flaccid> something, basically the setup script is preventing setup or removal
[09:56] <flaccid> due to specifying an unregognized option for the update-fonts-dir command
[09:57] <intelikey> which update-fonts-dir ; mv /path/to/update-fonts-dir /root ; : > /path/to/update-fonts-dir
[09:57] <intelikey> and dpkg -P --force-all package     again
[09:58] <intelikey> then you can mv /root/update-fonts-dir  /path/to/
[09:58] <flaccid> just trying a reinstall of xfonts-utils first
[09:59] <kaminix|benkyou> How do I make Kopete use Swiftfox as default browser?
[09:59] <flaccid> that may of done it. so the version mismatch of the command had dif command line options
[10:00] <flaccid> i've done a dapper to feisty upgrade before. now im doing a broken dapper to feisty upgrade. if successful its not a bad feat
[10:00] <Meowmixiscoo_> This might sound stupid but, do programs that run on a Mac run on Linux?
[10:00] <flaccid> unfortunately not meow
[10:00] <intelikey> yeah you can do it.    as long as you don't break libc6 or dpkg  your fine........
[10:00] <Meowmixiscoo_> =/ Ok then.
[10:01] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah hopefully\
[10:01] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo_ that was for flaccid not you... just in case there was mistake
[10:01] <flaccid> its going good on dist-upgrade now :)
[10:01] <kvnet> hi to all!
[10:01] <Meowmixiscoo_> Hi2U
[10:02] <Meowmixiscoo_> intelikey, got it =] .
[10:02] <intelikey> flaccid im serious, as long as libc6 and dpkg are working.  it's fixable
[10:02] <flaccid> yeah i know that.. but its a matter of how much time you have to work on something like this
[10:02] <intelikey> yeah.
[10:02] <flaccid> but im looking lucky now atm..
[10:03] <flaccid> nice one br0ther :)
[10:04] <flaccid> im glad my shell is in gnu screen
[10:04] <kvnet> does somebody know about kubuntu and sony vaio compatibility?
[10:04] <flaccid> !vaio
[10:04] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vaio - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:04] <intelikey> needless to say.   without another system to fix from   either of those are a game over call....
[10:05] <flaccid> um there is something on vaio somewhere
[10:05] <intelikey> !sony
[10:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sony - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:05] <kvnet> i need info about newest models.....my friend bought it and......vista sux and XP can't be installed
[10:05] <intelikey> zeenoth beet sony again ???
[10:06] <flaccid> kvnet: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/?action=fullsearch&context=180&value=vaio&titlesearch=Titles
[10:06] <kvnet> thx
[10:06] <flaccid> not sure if anything will help but
[10:06] <flaccid> google is best place
[10:07] <flaccid> kvnet: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=tkQ&pwst=1&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=sony+vaio+ubuntu&spell=1
[10:07] <kvnet> google doesn't know about vaio c2zr :(
[10:07] <kvnet> and linux
[10:07] <flaccid> thats unfortunate
[10:07] <flaccid> give sony a call ?
[10:08] <waylandbill_> kvnet: if it doesn't support the latest hardware, I wouldn't worry. Usually 6 months later it does.
[10:11] <flaccid> hmm
[10:11] <pillowpants> whats the command to compile from source again?
[10:12] <pillowpants> ./configure?
[10:12] <pillowpants> make
[10:12] <pillowpants> make install?
[10:12] <intelikey> !b-e
[10:12] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[10:12] <flaccid> yeah
[10:12] <flaccid> pillowpants: thats purely dependent on the software
[10:12] <pillowpants> ./configure didnt work
[10:12] <pillowpants> i guess i should read the readme, heh
[10:12] <flaccid> yes
[10:12] <flaccid> and INSTALL if its there
[10:14] <waylandbill> configure scripts are if GNU automake/autoconf was used in the development and distribution. It's very widespread in usage, but there are other ways.
[10:14] <pillowpants> it wanted ./autogen
[10:15] <waylandbill> pillowpants: if you look at the autogen in a text editor, I bet it ran automake, autoheader and/or autoconf.
[10:16] <flaccid> ooo nearly done intelikey coz this dude on cable
[10:16] <intelikey> :)
[10:17] <pillowpants> im compiling zsnes
[10:17] <flaccid> coolio
[10:17] <Jucato> !info zsnes
[10:17] <ubotu> zsnes: Emulator of the Super Nintendo Entertainment System (TM). In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.420-2.1ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 513 kB, installed size 3232 kB (Only available for i386)
[10:17] <pillowpants> im trying to get it on amd64
[10:17] <flaccid> yeah pillowpants on 64
[10:17] <pillowpants> only way is to compile
[10:17] <flaccid> hey thanks muchly for help intelikey, its done. i'll tell him to reboot it now and see if DE works
[10:18] <pillowpants> 64 is speedy
[10:18] <pillowpants> i dig it
[10:18] <intelikey> flaccid jsut issue init 6  :)
[10:18] <holybovine> how so
[10:18] <Ramla> say, what's the application for kde look (qt) settings? I'm running xubuntu with kubuntu-desktop installed but can't bother to launch kde-session just to change opera's look
[10:18] <holybovine> nothing is coded to use 64'bitness
[10:18] <holybovine> except for 3d renderers and a few other specialty applications
[10:18] <flaccid> intelikey: alright. yeah i don't think hes doing anything on this machine, too bad if he is
[10:18] <holybovine> most apps aren't even multithreaded
[10:19] <intelikey> pstree would know
[10:19] <flaccid> dpm
[10:19] <flaccid> don't you have to be in a console to init ?
[10:19] <intelikey> nope
[10:19] <flaccid> init: Unable to send message: Connection refused
[10:19] <Jucato> Ramla: I think you need to install qt3-qtconfig or qt4-qtconfig (whichever qt version Opera is using)
[10:20] <intelikey> flaccid may be an upstart thing.      you did sudo it ?
[10:20] <waylandbill> 64 bit doesn't make me feel all warm and fuzzy. 32 is fast enough for my needs.
[10:20] <flaccid> Ramla: opera manages its own looks through skins and appearance as well below the window management layer...
[10:20] <flaccid> intelikey: yeah
[10:20] <xp_killer> wow its 4:30 in the morning
[10:21] <flaccid> im going to reboot him
[10:21] <waylandbill> actually 4:20 (here) ... I'm sure it's probably 4:20PM for Jucato. :)
[10:21] <Ramla> flaccid: sounds like that'd work too, thanks
[10:21] <pillowpants> boy, compiling zsnes is tricky work
[10:21] <Jucato> waylandbill: yep :)
[10:21] <pillowpants> i throw in the towel
[10:21] <flaccid> i recommend the kde longing skin for opera
[10:21] <Jucato> pillowpants: I imagine it's trickier to compile for 64-bit :/
[10:21] <flaccid> right i gotta run
[10:22] <flaccid> ceeyas later
[10:22] <intelikey> pillowpants what errors you got ?
[10:22] <waylandbill> I'm sure it is if you haven't compiled b4
[10:22] <intelikey> nd
[10:22] <flaccid> catch ya intelikey, jucy
[10:22] <pillowpants> sh ./autogen.sh && gmake && gmake install
[10:23] <pillowpants> wont be recognized
[10:23] <pillowpants> i have all the stuff there
[10:23] <pillowpants> dependencies and such
[10:23] <intelikey> wont be recognized ???
[10:24] <pillowpants> sh: Can't open ./autogen.sh
[10:24] <waylandbill> pillowpants: make sure it is executable
[10:24] <waylandbill> I guess it's time for me to head off to work.
[10:24] <pillowpants> im just reading off the install.txt
[10:24] <Jucato> um... studying...
[10:25] <pillowpants> waylandbill: this late?
[10:25] <pillowpants> or early perhaps
[10:25] <waylandbill> 4:20 am? what time should I be going? 12 am? :-P
[10:25] <pillowpants> its 3 25 am here
[10:25] <waylandbill> the good news is I get out earlier. lol
[10:29] <intelikey> and modem reset again...  is anyone counting......
[10:29] <Jucato> one
[10:29] <intelikey> seems like that is 6 or 7 already this morning...
[10:29] <sbucat> -.-.-.-.- volume microfone tooo low alsamixer is setted at top but it still low
[10:30] <sbucat> Realtek ALC861-VD
[10:30] <sbucat> microfone low
[10:30] <sbucat> ideas? i have made alsamixer and i set all at the max
[10:30] <intelikey> sbucat is the mic the record device ?   could be the line in   or the speakers even....
[10:30] <intelikey> make sure the recording device is the mic
[10:31] <sbucat> intelikey: made it
[10:31] <sbucat> input : mic
[10:31] <sbucat> damned alsa driver
[10:31] <sbucat> never works fine
[10:31] <intelikey> yes but is it selected in the app that you are testing ?
[10:32] <Meowmixiscoo_> I'm trying to install LimeWire but it keep telling me java isn't installed =/
[10:32] <sbucat> recordmydesktop
[10:32] <intelikey> !java
[10:32] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[10:32] <Meowmixiscoo_> Thanks!
[10:33] <sbucat> intelikey: i don t know but in recordmydestop there is not this option and in audacity if i set the mic's volume it's the same if i put mic's volume max or min
[10:33] <intelikey> beware the 64bit issues there too Meowmixiscoo_
[10:33] <Meowmixiscoo_> o.O
[10:34] <intelikey> sbucat i know that audacity lets you select the input device.
[10:34] <sbucat> intelikey: yes of couse
[10:34] <sbucat> in preference
[10:34] <intelikey> and the tool bar
[10:35] <sbucat> yes but tool bar no works
[10:35] <sbucat> and in preference i can set alsa oss and other
[10:35] <intelikey> Meowmixiscoo_ maybe only "flash" not java in general.  so disreguard
[10:35] <jason__> hellhelloo
[10:36] <intelikey> not what i mean.  there is a button on the toolbar that lets you choose the input device   mic line0 line1 ....
[10:37] <sbucat> cry....microfone was important
[10:38] <intelikey> !sound
[10:38] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[10:38] <jason__> so what's up
[10:38] <pillowpants> aha!
[10:38] <pillowpants> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=432642
[10:38] <pillowpants> the 32 bit repository for amd64
[10:38] <intelikey> maybe something helpful there sbucat ^   i don't know.
[10:38] <pillowpants> zsnes is in there
[10:38] <pillowpants> very convenient
[10:39] <pillowpants> i can apt-get zsnes32 like any other lassy now
[10:39] <intelikey> see   no 64bit.   only 32
[10:39] <pillowpants> yeah
[10:39] <pillowpants> but compiling it was not an option
[10:39] <intelikey> i see.
[10:39] <pillowpants> and installing a 32 bit deb on its own is tricky
[10:39] <intelikey> yes
[10:39] <pillowpants> dfreer is awesome for adding that repo
[10:41] <intelikey> i'm off in 20 minutes.   gooday all.
[10:41] <intelikey> time to make last rounds.
[10:41] <pillowpants> see ya
[10:41] <intelikey> !quit shalom
[10:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about quit shalom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:45] <pillowpants> im off
[10:45] <pillowpants> thanks for the help
[10:45] <pillowpants> gnight
[10:47] <user__>  
[10:47] <[nrx] > :O
[10:48] <[nrx] > user__: try #ubuntu-ru
[10:48] <[nrx] > or not
[11:09] <joneal> hi
[11:09] <SlimeyPete> hi
[11:09] <Jucato> hi
[11:11] <contrast83> What up, Jucato
[11:11] <Jucato> hm.. not much...
[11:13] <gustavo> hi
[11:13] <gustavo> hi hi
[11:15] <luis> hi
[11:16] <emilsedgh> !hi | luis
[11:16] <ubotu> luis: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:16] <emilsedgh> !hi | gustavo
[11:16] <ubotu> gustavo: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:18] <gustavo> hi!
[11:53] <[nrx] > ;o
[11:58] <jokijo> any awake out there?
[11:59] <[nrx] > :)
[11:59] <[nrx] > nope
[11:59] <sirag> hola
[11:59] <[nrx] > hi
[11:59] <jokijo> hey
[11:59] <[nrx] > *yawns*
[12:00] <jokijo> im transferring like 30 gigs of music from one harddrive to the other
[12:00] <jokijo> its taking forever
[12:11] <jokijo> actually it's going a lot faster than i expected
[12:16] <gomatteo> Hi all. I'm thinking that we don't need python for daemons, like guidance-power-manager or guidance-power-manager. Why not rewrite them in C++?
[12:17] <emilsedgh> gomatteo: whats wrong with python?
[12:17] <Jucato> not really the place to ask this question gomatteo
[12:18] <Jucato> and please, be patient in waiting for the answer. you already asked this in -devel
[12:18] <gomatteo> Jucato: Ok, sorry
[12:22] <Zvezdichko> hello, how can I set up Adept so it could clear apt cache after each upgrade?
[12:23] <Jucato> adept doesn't have that feature yet unfortunately
[12:26] <Zvezdichko> Jucato: but is it safe to delete cache manually
[12:26] <Jucato> sudo apt-get clean
[12:26] <Jucato> that's the command for it
[12:26] <gustavo> http://picpaste.com/topology.jpg can someone help me? my cabled pc cant access my wireless pc
[12:26] <Zvezdichko> thankss
[12:32] <vapashos> i wanna somebody to help me with the installation
[12:32] <vapashos> if there is anyone lets talk  private
[12:33] <SlimeyPete> !ask
[12:33] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:33] <SlimeyPete> also, if you talk in-channel then others can benefit too
[12:34] <vapashos> when i m trying to install it i get a message starting bluetooth devices and doesnt continue
[12:34] <Zvezdichko> I always had problems with grafical installations
[12:34] <Zvezdichko> why don't you try with the alternate disk
[12:34] <Zvezdichko> ?
[12:34] <vapashos> anyone who knows about tis problem?
[12:35] <vapashos> it probably doesnt detects any bluetooth device on my pc
[12:35] <vapashos> how can i make it skip this?
[12:35] <angasule> I tried to install krita but it says they are untrusted packages, how can I check from which repo it's trying to install? (at least, I'm guessing that's why they are 'untrusted')
[12:35] <angasule> hey Zvezdichko
[12:35] <SlimeyPete> vapashos: as Zvezdichko says, it's probably best to try the alternate CD, see if that works
[12:35] <SlimeyPete> that's always a good first step.
[12:36] <Zvezdichko> because the standart CD freezes a lot
[12:36] <vapashos> the cd i use is the one i burned after downloading the latest version of kubuntu
[12:36] <vapashos> there is not any other alternate cd
[12:36] <SlimeyPete> vapashos: yes there is.
[12:36] <SlimeyPete> check the ubuntu website.
[12:37] <vapashos> are you sure?
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> certain. I've used it several times.
[12:37] <SlimeyPete> it's towards the bottom of the download page.
[12:37] <vapashos> i ll check it
[12:38] <vapashos> did you have the same problem?
[12:38] <Zvezdichko> I've had a similar
[12:38] <Zvezdichko> but the alternate install was successful
[12:38] <angasule> funny, now krita installs without complaint...
[12:39] <vapashos> when you saw alternate do you mean the previous version?
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> nope
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> no
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> it's the same version
[12:40] <emonkey> http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/current/
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> but it uses the standart Debian installer
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> vapashos: check the "Check here if you need the alternate desktop CD. This CD does not include the Live CD, instead it uses a text-based installer."
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> box
[12:40] <SlimeyPete> on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[12:41] <Zvezdichko> I never trust grafical installers
[12:41] <Zvezdichko> they are too buggy
[12:41] <Zvezdichko> but remember! this one may seem to "freeze" for a long time.
[12:42] <emonkey> Alternate install CD
[12:42] <emonkey> The alternate install CD allows you to perform certain specialist installations of Kubuntu.
[12:42] <emonkey> for example on: http://mirror.switch.ch/ftp/mirror/ubuntu-cdimage/kubuntu/feisty/
[12:42] <angasule> PBCAK is the most common source of failure, Zvezdichko
[12:42] <Zvezdichko> isn't that old- feisty? I use gutsy and I have updates every day
[12:42] <[nrx] > meh
[12:43] <[nrx] > need a better theme
[12:43] <emonkey> angasule, mostly the alternate worked better
[12:43] <vapashos> i have another question
[12:43] <vapashos> when i m searching throw adept i can t find beryl
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> vapashos: have you enabled universe/multiverse
[12:44] <vapashos> how can i enable this?
[12:44] <vapashos> i suppose that  something s going wrong with my repositories
[12:44] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: feisty? old? gutsy won't even be released until October. and feisty will receive support until October of next year
[12:45] <Zvezdichko> vapashos: wait... I have the very same problem here
[12:45] <Zvezdichko> Jucato: but I'm currently using gutsy :)
[12:45] <Jucato> the only reason you have updates everyday is because gutsy isn't stable yet (till alpha)... after release, updates won't come as often
[12:47] <gustavo> my notebook cant shut down , what can i do? it doesnt responds
[12:47] <Zvezdichko> gustavo: Cntrl+Alt+Esc
[12:47] <Zvezdichko> or manually ps aux then kill number
[12:47] <Jucato> er?
[12:47] <gustavo> Zvezdichko: dont work :(
[12:47] <Jucato> Ctrl+Alt+Esc = xkill only
[12:48] <gustavo> it doesnt respond to nothing
[12:48] <jussi01> can someone mention an application to convert normal pictures to lineart?
[12:48] <gustavo> it says : acpi_power_off called, but go no further
[12:48] <Zvezdichko> Jucato: oh, right :)
[12:48] <gustavo> but console pointer is blinking
[12:50] <evans> helooooo
[12:50] <evans> any1
[12:50] <Zvezdichko> I thought it was a program related problem
[12:50] <Zvezdichko> not about a system halt
[12:51] <evans> does anyone know of any good CAD programs?
[12:52] <tim> evans: for what?
[12:52] <tim> i.e. 3D, technical drawing, simulation?
[12:53] <Jucato> qcad? kicad?
[12:54] <Jucato> supper?
[12:54] <Jucato> heh
[12:54] <Zvezdichko> doh! is there seamonkey for Kubuntu?
[12:54] <jussi01> !autocad
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about autocad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <jussi01> hrmph, there used to be a factoid
[12:54] <jussi01> !cad
[12:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cad - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:54] <Jucato> !info qcad
[12:55] <evans> CAD for furniture drawing
[12:55] <ubotu> qcad: A professional CAD System. In component main, is optional. Version 2.0.5.0-1-2 (feisty), package size 2950 kB, installed size 12596 kB
[12:55] <Jucato> !info kicad
[12:55] <ubotu> kicad: Electronic schematic and PCB design software. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.0.20060829-1 (feisty), package size 2117 kB, installed size 5808 kB
[12:55] <evans> furniture drawing and design
[12:55] <Jucato> Zvezdichko: no seamonkey, but there's iceape
[12:55] <jussi01> so qcad most likely evans
[12:55] <evans> can Qcad draw in 3D?
[12:56] <Zvezdichko> Jucato: it also looks veeery heavy
[12:56] <Zvezdichko> my box is quite old
[12:56] <tim> http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=101703&page=1
[12:56] <Jucato> seamonkey *is* heavy
[12:56] <tim> 3d stuff
[12:57] <jussi01> evans: I dont know. but are dxf files something you know about?
[12:57] <Jucato> !info blender
[12:57] <ubotu> blender: Very fast and versatile 3D modeller/renderer. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.43-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 7120 kB, installed size 18600 kB
[12:57] <Jucato> !info wings3d
[12:57] <ubotu> wings3d: Nendo-inspired 3D polygon mesh modeller. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.98.35-4 (feisty), package size 3026 kB, installed size 4676 kB
[12:58] <tim> evans: blender is a 3d modeling package. its pretty nice, but not a cad package. alternatively if your looking for something like solidworks, there should be something out there with a little googling
[12:58] <tim> evans: but I think blender will do you unless you need to do some kind of simulation
[12:58] <evans> no a simulation really
[12:59] <jussi01> [13:48]  <jussi01> can someone mention an application to convert normal pictures to lineart?
[12:59] <jussi01> :)
[12:59] <tim> evans: http://www.cycas.de/ will do you for sim then, dont know if its free
[01:00] <tim> jussio01: I actually just wrote a java prog to do that if you want it
[01:00] <Zvezdichko> is there an alternative for Windows movie maker
[01:00] <Zvezdichko> or a simple program for creating videos
[01:00] <SlimeyPete> Zvezdichko: kino, cinelarra, pitivi
[01:01] <tim> jussi01: I can make it nicer if you give me 5 minutes, then pastebin the source to you
[01:01] <SlimeyPete> none of them are quite as simple/stable as WMM, though
[01:01] <tim> jussi01: U want?
[01:02] <jussi01> tim: I have a whole lot to do, so thanks, but I cant have you doing it all for me... ;)
[01:02] <jussi01> Zvezdichko: kdenlive
[01:02] <jussi01> not in the repos yet, but in gutsy
[01:02] <Zvezdichko> I use Gutsy :0
[01:02] <jussi01> sudo apt-get install kdenlive
[01:02] <jussi01> :)
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> okay :) but firstly I have to update once again
[01:03] <jussi01> :)
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> I find it boring
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> :)
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> the update process is finished and after five minutes :) Oh, look, there are 30 packages available for update :)
[01:04] <tim> jussi01: what I'm offering is a simple edge detecter which converts a photo type image to a sketch like line image. its a script that takes an image name as a command line argument, and outputs the converted image. output in jpeg. ??
[01:04] <jussi01> :)
[01:04] <jussi01> tim: perfect! please could I get that!
[01:04] <jl_> hola
[01:04] <tim> jussi01:ok, I'll neaten it up a bit and put in some parameters
[01:05] <baudthief> Can someone please help with the Kubuntu installation? After trying to boot and selecting "Boot/Install ... etc" it just hangs at the Kubuntu logo, progressbar just pings back and forth
[01:05] <baudthief> *Kubuntu feisty
[01:06] <jussi01> baudthief: how long have you waited? is the cd activity?
[01:06] <baudthief> no CD activity, been over 10 minutes now
[01:06] <tim> jussi01: will do
[01:06] <jussi01> thanks :)
[01:07] <jussi01> baudthief: restart it in verbose mode
[01:07] <baudthief> how do I do that?
[01:07] <jussi01> remove the quiet argument in the startup line
[01:07] <baudthief> alright gonan try
[01:07] <jussi01> ok, im off, see yas all
[01:08] <Zvezdichko> have you already tried the new KDE 4 ( it'ss in gutsy repos )
[01:08] <Zvezdichko> quite unstable, huh
[01:08] <jussi01> Zvezdichko: yeah... very unstable...
[01:09] <Zvezdichko> it even doesn't load plasma
[01:09] <baudthief> interesting lol... I'm getting LOTS of disc activity now, but a "signal out of range" prompt on my LCD, might just wait a bit more
[01:11] <baudthief> shit, removing "quiet" just makes it work!?
[01:11] <baudthief> o_O
[01:11] <baudthief> oh well lol, not complaining - time to overwrite windows!
[01:16] <sbucat> waaaaaaaaaaaaa my sound sistem works greattttttttttttttt
[01:16] <sbucat> thanks
[01:26] <emilsedgh> will compiz become the default wm of the kubuntu 7.10?
[01:27] <Zvezdichko> I hope not ;)
[01:28] <emilsedgh> Zvezdichko: why? I hope it will, Im not its fan, I use kwin myself, but people will like it so much...
[01:28] <slackern> I hope it's only enabled as default if a proper driver is detected and installed properly and will fallback otherwise.
[01:28] <Zvezdichko> because there are still people who use old machines
[01:30] <emilsedgh> sure it will
[01:31] <slackern> I would guess so too, only proper way to implement it without causing too much chaos :)
[01:31] <slackern> Just wishing that there will be some proper drivers out for my X1950 card by then :)
[01:32] <maverick_> anyone knows of bandwidth shaper like NETLIMITER in windows?
[01:33] <vapashos> try dumeter
[01:34] <hab> What's the command for starting the restricted driver manager in Kubuntu?
[01:34] <emilsedgh> hab: Gutsy?
[01:34] <slackern> restricted-manager-kde
[01:35] <hab> emilsedgh: feisty.
[01:35] <emilsedgh> hagabaka: feisty has no restricted-manager :(
[01:35] <hab> Aw...
[01:35] <hab> Alrighty then.
[01:35] <hab> I was used to Gutsy ^.^
[01:35] <slackern> But im running Gutsy though, it also has an icon in System Settings -> Advanced
[01:35] <hab> I guess that Envy can do it.
[01:36] <hab> Thanks
[01:37] <vapashos> how can i be registered user here?
[01:38] <[nrx] > vapashos: try /msg nickserv help
[01:39] <maverick_> vapashos: is it even for linux?!!
[01:40] <maverick_> anyone knows of bandwidth shaper for KUBUNTU like NETLIMITER in windows?
[01:40] <vapashos> no its not for linux
[01:40] <maverick_> vapashos: well we're in a KUBUNTU channel btw...
[01:40] <maverick_> :D
[01:43] <vapashos> does any body knows if there is a command to check the cpu utilization and the number of processes running?
[01:45] <[ifr0g] > vapashos, top
[01:45] <[ifr0g] > vapashos, or ctrl + esc
[01:46] <vapashos> thanks
[01:46] <[ifr0g] > np
[01:48] <Zvezdichko> seasons they come, seasons they go...
[01:50] <tim> jussi01: your prog is ready, will mail. edge detection a little fuzzy, will improve, need ciggy first
[01:52] <pekuja> does anyone know how I could configure Firefox so that I can open downloaded files and that "Open containing folder" would start Konqueror?
[01:52] <pekuja> basically, I want Firefox to integrate to KDE a little better.
[01:53] <pekuja> I would use Konqueror for web browsing... but I like Firefox's Extensions, and it seems like Konqueror doesn't work very well with Google Reader, which I use a lot
[01:53] <emilsedgh> pekuja: if youre not an advanced web designer or programmer, Konqueror is a better choice
[01:54] <vapashos> when i search on my adept i don't get the latests versions of  the programms i want to install,does anybody knows why??
[01:54] <pekuja> well it doesn't seem to work right with Google Reader, and yeah I need it
[01:56] <emilsedgh> vapashos: thats the distro' policy, when Ubuntu releases 7.04, it includes (for example) kde 3.5.6, even if kde 3.6 releases after that, there will be no official update for that release of ubuntu to kde 3.6
[01:57] <emilsedgh> pekuja: if its important for you to have kde intergration, why dont you use akregator? Im not using google reader but it mays konqueror shows it correctly, try changing Browser Identification
[01:57] <pekuja> maybe I'll try it again, but anyways, I don't need Googl Reader to integrate into KDE
[01:58] <pekuja> if "Open" in Firefox's download window can actually open files in the proper applications, and "Open containing folder" opens up Konqueror in said folder, then that's probably enough
[01:59] <JuJuBee_> I want to install a dhcp server on my computer to hand out addresses to my classroom.  I would like the addresses to be set statically to each workstation (each workstation always gets the same address).  How do I do that?  I cannot find it in the docs.
[01:59] <pekuja> Google Reader actually does work ok... but I can't use my scrollwheel to scroll it, which is really weird
[02:00] <Yz85Racer> Hey, I nearly got my game working, I run the executable, but I get this error in Terminal X Error of failed request:  GLXUnsupportedPrivateRequest
[02:00] <Yz85Racer>   Major opcode of failed request:  143 (GLX)
[02:00] <Yz85Racer>   Minor opcode of failed request:  16 (X_GLXVendorPrivate)
[02:00] <Yz85Racer>   Serial number of failed request:  181
[02:00] <Yz85Racer>   Current serial number in output stream:  18
[02:00] <pekuja> I think it's trying to scroll the whole page when it should be scrolling inside a single frame
[02:00] <stdin> !paste | Yz85Racer
[02:00] <ubotu> Yz85Racer: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:00] <Yz85Racer> oh
[02:00] <Yz85Racer> k
[02:01] <runlevelten> what you get when you do the following in a shell Yz85Racer? glxinfo | grep endor
[02:02] <Yz85Racer> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37404/
[02:02] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37404/
[02:04] <combo> what codecs do i need to watch RMVB movies ?? i've installed all codecs with that command :: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37405/ ::
[02:04] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten, you there mate?
[02:04] <combo> but it looks something missin' :/
[02:04] <pekuja> emilsedgh, my problem with Konqueror is kinda minor and specific to that one site, but I use that site a lot so that ruins it for me :-/
[02:05] <combo> it is written that there is problem about 'drvc.so'
[02:05] <jhutchins> combo: I'd guess you need to install realplayer.
[02:05] <pekuja> emilsedgh, Akregator would be fine if I could sync it with Google Reader I guess
[02:05] <emilsedgh> pekuja: so try akregator :P
[02:05] <runlevelten> Yz85Racer: what graohics card you using?
[02:05] <Yz85Racer> ATI
[02:05] <combo> jhutchins: since now i've used Kaffeine player
[02:06] <Yz85Racer> I think that's my card.. Atleast runlevelten..
[02:06] <pekuja> emilsedgh, well I want the same feeds whether I'm on my desktop, laptop, or a terminal at the uni
[02:06] <Yz85Racer> Or is that my driver?
[02:06] <pekuja> emilsedgh, which is why I use Google Reader
[02:06] <emilsedgh> pekuja: so i really dunno :)
[02:06] <pekuja> emilsedgh, ok, so you don't know of any syncing options for that?
[02:06] <emilsedgh> pekuja: maybe you could find another web based rss reader?
[02:07] <pekuja> maybe
[02:07] <runlevelten> does grep -e radeon /etc/X11/xorg.conf give you Driver "radeon"?
[02:07] <pekuja> I guess that's a possible idea... will have to look around for what's available
[02:07] <pekuja> then again I do like Firefox. my only problem with that is opening files I've downloaded
[02:08] <pekuja> that doesn't seem to work out of the box
[02:08] <pekuja> I think it does on Gnomebuntu
[02:08] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten, all it does is drop too a new line.
[02:09] <runlevelten> pastebin the output of grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf will ya?
[02:09] <runlevelten> thanks :)
[02:09] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten,
[02:09] <Yz85Racer> It's one line..
[02:09] <Yz85Racer> grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.con
[02:09] <Yz85Racer> oops
[02:09] <Yz85Racer> grep: /etc/X11/xorg.con: No such file or director
[02:10] <Yz85Racer> sorry haa
[02:11] <runlevelten> Try pasting it instead of typing it then, save typos ;)
[02:11] <kkathman> lol
[02:11] <Yz85Racer> I have been..
[02:11] <Yz85Racer> oops
[02:11] <Yz85Racer> missed the f
[02:11] <Yz85Racer> :P
[02:12] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37407/
[02:14] <Yz85Racer> kkathman, trying to run a game.. :P
[02:15] <Yz85Racer> .....
[02:15] <Yz85Racer> It's a computer game..
[02:15] <Yz85Racer> No way am I using Winblows.
[02:16] <Yz85Racer> runlevelten, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37407/ is what it's throwing me
[02:16] <kkathman> then dont expect 100% or windows games to run under linux then :)
[02:16] <kkathman> cuz they wont
[02:16] <Yz85Racer> they're not winblows games
[02:16] <kkathman> Yz85Racer:  http://frankscorner.org
[02:17] <Yz85Racer> It's the Linux version, just having trouble running it.
[02:17] <kumamoto> anyone seen this http://www.openmoko.com/index.html
[02:18] <emilsedgh> kumamoto: sure, Im waiting for this phone :P
[02:19] <runlevelten> Yz85Racer: You need the 3D drivers installed to play games btw.
[02:19] <runlevelten> !binary
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about binary - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:19] <runlevelten> !fglrx
[02:19] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:19] <stdin> !driver
[02:19] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about driver - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:19] <runlevelten> Myse4lf, I'd recommend you install restricted-manager and use that, tbh.
[02:20] <runlevelten> *self.
[02:20] <stdin> !driver is <alias> binarydriver
[02:45] <fatmike> hi room
[02:45] <fatmike> how can i install older packages
[02:45] <emilsedgh> !hi | fatmike
[02:45] <ubotu> fatmike: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:46] <fatmike> i want to install qt4.2.3
[02:46] <fatmike> but my system wants to install 4.3.0
[02:46] <gustavo> genii: gimme some
[02:46] <fatmike> blacklisting?
[02:46] <fatmike> dont know
[02:46] <fatmike> can so help me plz?
[02:46] <Jucato> genii: where were you when I was eating spring rolls for snacks :)
[02:46] <gustavo> genii: thanks :D
[02:47] <genii> Jucato: Probably I was trying to wake up LOL
[02:47] <Jucato> fatmike: how are you trying to install it? and for what?
[02:47] <Jucato> hahah :)
[02:47] <fatmike> apt-get install qt4-designer
[02:47] <fatmike> but i have to compile in qt 4.2.3
[02:48] <Jucato> fatmike: does it have to be exactly 4.2.3??? all 4.x releases are binary/API compatible
[02:48] <fatmike> yes but i get some errors when compiling in 4.3
[02:48] <fatmike> there should be a way to install older packages?!
[02:49] <Jucato> what would be the error? and are you sure the error is related to the version?
[02:49] <fatmike> strange errors
[02:49] <fatmike> butz i HAVE to compile
[02:49] <fatmike> in 4.2.3
[02:49] <Jucato> strange errors don't tell me much... :)
[02:49] <fatmike> yess
[02:49] <fatmike> but i dont need al sove to the error
[02:49] <fatmike> i need a hint to instal older packages ;)
[02:50] <Jucato> why do you HAVE to compile in 4.2.3?
[02:50] <fatmike> a collegue told be to do so
[02:50] <Jucato> the thing is, you "strange errors" might not be related to version number at all
[02:50] <fatmike> ok i will check it later
[02:50] <fatmike> but for quick fix i have to compile in 4.2.3
[02:51] <Jucato> what are you compiling btw? and what package did you specifically install?
[02:51] <Jucato> you need the -dev package for Qt. it might be complaining that it can't find Qt headers and libraries
[02:51] <genii> n8k99: Yay! More coffeee! ;)
[02:52] <fatmike> i want to have qt4dev,qt4 designer, assistant and mysql support
[02:52] <fatmike> i read st about /etc/apt/preferences and pinning
[02:52] <fatmike> is this the right place?
[02:53] <Jucato> probably... but I'm quite doubtful that it is the source of the problem... but if you say so...
[02:53] <fatmike> ok i just want to compile in 4.2.3
[02:54] <fatmike> later this week i will check if it also compiles in 4.3 and if not speak with you again about the compile prob
[02:54] <Jucato> fatmike: can you just try, and I mean really just try, installing libqt4-dev then compiling?
[02:54] <fatmike> are you firm with qt ?
[02:54] <vbhide> i have heard kubuntu works faster with drivers installed......... does anyone know how to do that?
[02:55] <SlimeyPete> vbhide: you mean graphics drivers?
[02:56] <vbhide> perhaps... i don't really know....:) how do you install graphics drivers?
[02:56] <SlimeyPete> !nvidia
[02:56] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[02:57] <SlimeyPete> vbhide: on Linux systems, drivers are implemented as kernel modules. All of the most popular modules (and many obscure ones) are included with Ubuntu and enabled by default if you have the right hardware.
[02:57] <fatmike> ok no error in 4.3
[02:57] <SlimeyPete> some proprietary ones (such as nvidia drivers) aren't, though.
[02:57] <fatmike> h how do i check my qt version that i have installed?
[02:58] <Jucato> fatmike: by default, the system will use Qt 3 because it is what KDE 3.x needs/uses.
[02:58] <Jucato> "qmake -v" tells you the version
[02:58] <djfito1> buenos dias a todos dese mexico
[02:58] <Jucato> if you want to explicitly launch a Qt 4 app, you have to use the direct path/filename
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> !mexican
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mexican - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> heh
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> !sp
[02:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about sp - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:58] <SlimeyPete> !es
[02:58] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[02:59] <fatmike> ok thanx mate
[02:59] <Jucato> hm.. spanish or Portuguese?
[02:59] <fatmike> it just works with compile in qt 4.3 :)
[02:59] <Jucato> fatmike: told yah :P
[02:59] <fatmike> can i ask you again if i receive any 'strange errors' ?
[02:59] <vbhide> thankyou slimeypete! i have a presario v2000.... doubt if i need any driver then
[03:00] <Jucato> fatmike: you could also use the pastebin (see the channel's topic) so that we could all see the errors so that they won't be so strange anymore
[03:02] <fatmike> i will do so
[03:02] <fatmike> so thank you and byebye!
[03:03] <rivo> hi, has anyone succeeded in installing fglrx driver on kubuntu feisty?
[03:04] <rivo> all my attempts have failed with something like "DRI initialization failed (maybe driver kernel module is missing or bad)" in var/log/Xorg.log, no matter how I install it
[03:08] <wers> what tweaks can I do to make my Kubuntu desktop faster?
[03:08] <stdin> rivo: have you looked at the help page?
[03:08] <wers> I am running it on a laptop with humble specs
[03:09] <stdin> !ati | rivo
[03:09] <ubotu> rivo: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:09] <wers> I turned of much of the effects already but I want it to be faster
[03:09] <Jucato> how humble are those specs? :)
[03:10] <rivo> stdin: yes, I also tried installing with envy which should take care of it automatically but nothing has worked
[03:11] <stdin> rivo: if you use more than one method without completely removing the last then you'll mess things up
[03:11] <slackern> ktorrent worked better than i thought it would feels like it's come quite a long way since the last time i tried it
[03:11] <rivo> stdin: I tried envy with clean install now, still nothing
[03:11] <stoneagepimp> anybody know how to play m4p music files?
[03:12] <stdin> rivo: and you have the linux-restricted-modules package for your kernel installed?
[03:12] <jessejazza> Why not use XFCE or GNOME and add the bits missing that you want to use from KDE. I installed all 3 yesterday and have to say that i'm not that impressed with KDE. Removed it but have kept one or two programs i like.
[03:12] <stdin> !codecs | stoneagepimp
[03:12] <ubotu> stoneagepimp: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:13] <rivo> stdin: yes it is
[03:15] <stdin> rivo: it could be that your card isn't supported by the driver any more, ATI tend to completely remove support for older cards after a while
[03:16] <rivo> stdin: it's radeon 9550 which is supported according to docs
[03:18] <stoneagepimp> thanks
[03:20] <hismajesty> hi
[03:20] <hismajesty> i heve a pb with my pc
[03:22] <n8k99> !question
[03:23] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:24] <hismajesty> so excuse my english but it started alone
[03:25] <bullfrog> wow I love ubuntu so far! Been windows free since the weekend :D
[03:25] <n8k99> congrats bullfrog
[03:26] <hismajesty> is there someone who speak french
[03:27] <hismajesty> ??
[03:27] <ubunturos> !kubuntu-fr
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kubuntu-fr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <ubunturos> !ubuntu-fr
[03:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntu-fr - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:27] <n8k99> !fr
[03:27] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:27] <ubunturos> !fr
[03:27] <hismajesty> thanks
[03:28] <n8k99> welcome
[03:30] <shriphani> can someone tell me the default kubuntu fonts
[03:30] <shriphani> I messed up with mine and they um... don't look good.
[03:30] <n8k99> Kedage
[03:30] <Jucato> Sans/Sans Serif
[03:30] <shriphani> err ?
[03:31] <dhq> i have a epson lx-800 printer it is a 9 pin dot printer.I tried LX 1050 driver which is for 24 PIN , it work so bad ..almost Un-ReadAlbe Text.
[03:31] <shriphani> n8k99: mind if you can tell me one by one ?
[03:32] <genii> dhq: You can't find a Generic 9 Pin dot Matrix    printer driver to install?
[03:32] <shriphani> Jucato: go ahead then.
[03:32] <dhq> genii, where
[03:33] <Jucato> shriphani: I already answer. all of them are Sans Serif
[03:33] <Jucato> except Fixed width, which would be Monospace
[03:33] <shriphani> ok and font aliasing enabled ?
[03:33] <Jucato> Window Title would be bold
[03:34] <genii> dhq: in the list of printer drivers in System Settings...Printer
[03:34] <dhq> genii, which one do i choose
[03:34] <Jucato> shriphani: mine says "System settings"
[03:35] <genii> dhq: 1 minute I'll go there and see whats available
[03:35] <dhq> k
[03:37] <genii> dhq:For manufacturer, choose Generic. Then for printer, IBM-Compatible Dot Matrix Printer
[03:38] <baudthief> anything like UltraVNC for linux/kubuntu? One that doesnt start a new x-session, just takes control of a machine on the LAN
[03:38] <dhq> genii, is it a 9 pin
[03:38] <baudthief> (other than krfb I mean)
[03:40] <genii> dhq: IBM made 9 and 24 pin dot-matrix
[03:41] <genii> dhq: If you wait a bit i'll try to find something else if you like
[03:41] <dhq> genii, well i have no time well try this one
[03:41] <dhq> genii, if you get any better info let me kno
[03:44] <genii> dhq: Epson TSQ-4800 driver apparently provides also generic 9 pin
[03:45] <dhq> genii, thanks i will check it out
[03:46] <PhinnFort> I can't get tomcat5.5 to run
[03:46] <PhinnFort> and tomcat5 isn't available in gutsy
[03:46] <PhinnFort> !tomcat
[03:46] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tomcat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:47] <PhinnFort> rather, it runs, but it only returns completely blank pages
[03:47] <kirk> !format
[03:47] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[03:49] <saltire> I've just installed kubuntu but konqueror won't load any websites
[03:51] <kirk> !gparted
[03:51] <ubotu> GParted is is a !GUI partitioning program. Type  sudo apt-get install gparted  in a console to install it - A GParted "live" CD is available at http://gparted.sourceforge.net/livecd.php
[03:51] <PhinnFort> !linux
[03:51] <ubotu> Linux is the kernel (core) of the Ubuntu operating system. Many operating systems use Linux as kernel. For more information on Linux in general, visit http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux
[03:52] <wers> how do I prevent beagle from running automatically everytime I log in?
[03:53] <bullfrog> I have a little anoyance with kubuntu now, sometimes when my screen comes back from powersaving or if I log out and in again the mouse pointer goes invisble :/
[03:53] <PhinnFort> it's magic
[03:54] <kirk> can i use gparted to format my secondary hard drive? im on kubuntu 7.04
[03:58] <aantipop> my 5,5 gig root partition is 9X % full, are there some things i can remove from it ? aptitude auoclean already gave me 200 mb
[03:59] <SlimeyPete> aantipop: just remove any applications which you don't use
[03:59] <alexbe01__> erm, check /tmp
[03:59] <aantipop> oh okay
[03:59] <alexbe01__> it may not all be able to be deleted, but there's probably some
[03:59] <kirk> i have a 2nd hard drive mounted, how can i format it?
[04:00] <aantipop> temp is nearly empty, just had a fresh start
[04:00] <danya> hello recently I cant seem to edit my source list .... wondering why :S?
[04:01] <SlimeyPete> !mk2fs
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mk2fs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:01] <SlimeyPete> heh
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> danya: sudo
[04:01] <SlimeyPete> !format
[04:01] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[04:01] <SlimeyPete> kirk: check out mkfs
[04:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> or just google it ffs
[04:01] <kirk> !mkfs
[04:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mkfs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <kirk> lol im lost, i just switched to kubuntu, been on windows my whole life
[04:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> ahh...
[04:03] <Parkerw207> Heya everyone , i am having trouble using the kubuntu live cd's , for some reason it does not get past the load of sequence at the start and simply sits there doing nothing
[04:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> it will be okay :)
[04:03] <aantipop> kirk, the easiest way is gparted or qtparted
[04:04] <SlimeyPete> kirk: mkfs -t ext3 /dev/sda1  (where sda1 is your hard disk device) I think. Otherwise, gparted may be able to do it graphically.
[04:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> Parkerw207: recent core 2 duo laptop?
[04:04] <Parkerw207> well its not a laptop
[04:04] <Parkerw207> but its core duo
[04:04] <kirk> ill check out gparted first before i start putting in commands i know nothing about
[04:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> then it's probably not the santa rosa issue
[04:05] <Daisuke_Laptop> make sure the disc burned correctly
[04:05] <aantipop> wow whats the difference between aptitude clean and autoclean ?
[04:05] <kirk> it says gparted is a GNOME Partition Editor, is that compatiable with kubuntu?
[04:05] <Parkerw207> its one they sent me in the post , the old version i know , but i was just seeing how it fairs with my wifi network adapter , i know the trouble linux has with wifi
[04:06] <aantipop> ah "man aptitude"
[04:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> the trouble linux has with wifi is slowly but surely becoming like the trouble linux used to have with cable modems
[04:06] <aantipop> how do i leave manpages ? ctrl + c doesnt work
[04:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> that was worded wrong
[04:06] <SlimeyPete> aantipop: q
[04:07] <aantipop> aah, thanks
[04:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> at any rate, wireless issues continually get fixed and it's getting less and less painful to use wireless in linux
[04:07] <Parkerw207> yes i am aware of that and i am not completely dumb when it comes to computer so i think i would be able to sort any problems that come up , but the fact that it doesnt even load in live mode is a concern
[04:07] <Daisuke_Laptop> i would agree with you
[04:07] <Parkerw207> i mean , my machine is a very powerfull one so i was a tad shocked when it sat there idle
[04:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> does it drop to busybox or do anything?
[04:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> Parkerw207: if it's fairly new (last 5-6 months or so) it could be an issue with the intel platform, OR you have a newer ati graphics card which is notoriously unreliable (again, for now)
[04:09] <Parkerw207> hmm , no , its shows that everything loads ok , all the hardware drivers , abstraction layer etc... but then when its about to load up the GUI i asume , its stalls
[04:09] <Daisuke_Laptop> ctrl+alt+f2 take you to a vt?
[04:09] <Parkerw207> i built it just after may , the components are new as far as i am aware , how long they have been out i am not sure
[04:10] <Parkerw207> i havent tried that
[04:10] <Parkerw207> i am a bit of a linux newbie but i can get my head around most problems
[04:10] <Parkerw207> and its not just kubuntu , its ubuntu , suse and fedora that dont work either
[04:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> all live cds?
[04:11] <Parkerw207> yes
[04:11] <Parkerw207> so it must be hardware related i assume
[04:11] <Daisuke_Laptop> try the alternate install cd
[04:12] <Daisuke_Laptop> it sounds like there's a general issue with livecds, i have the same problem here
[04:12] <genii> By any chance it it some Intel i810 video card? The vesa driver in xorg.conf for that needs to be changed if it's the case
[04:13] <Parkerw207> ahhh i now remeber what CPU i have , intel pentium D 3.2ghz dual core , and no i dont think i have that card
[04:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> nvidia or ati?
[04:13] <Parkerw207> my graphics chip uses RADEON X800GT\
[04:13] <Daisuke_Laptop> ...well then...
[04:13] <bjwebb> hmm
[04:13] <bjwebb> i can't move my mouse
[04:15] <Parkerw207> i would of thought them components were old enough to be supported
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> I used to use ubuntu on the same CPU, no problem
[04:16] <Parkerw207> yes i know , i dont think its the CPU somehow
[04:16] <genii> Parkerw207: Well, something to try some kernel options at boot. Specifically there noacpi worked for my desktop Pentium D system.
[04:16] <SlimeyPete> possibly a motherboard issue
[04:17] <Parkerw207> i use an ASUS motherboard if i remember rightly lol
[04:17] <genii> Also there was an issue with some pcmcia driver keep wanting to load which was freezing the system, let me see if i can find the link
[04:17] <genii> Parkerw207: Asus board here too, P5K-SE
[04:18] <kirk> i plan on using this disk as storage, when i format while file system should i use?
[04:18] <Parkerw207> i am not to sure whihc one mine is i shall just go find out
[04:18] <kirk> which*
[04:18] <Parkerw207> P5VD2-MX
[04:18] <Daisuke-Ido> kirk: is it going to be shared between windows and linux?
[04:18] <slawek> HOW TO RUN MACROMEDIA FIREWORKS?
[04:19] <slawek> PLEASE FAST HELP!
[04:19] <kirk> no
[04:19] <kirk> only running kubuntu
[04:19] <kirk> its just going to be storage
[04:19] <aantipop> ext3 then
[04:21] <arash> slawek, hmm,does that really work for Kubuntu? (I have no idea, but it's common Linux users use GNU substitutes)
[04:21] <Parkerw207> is it possible to install Kubuntu over the internet not using a disk ?
[04:21] <genii> Parkerw207: Anyhow, I needed to use alternate CD, then go to the busybox console and rm the file /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/i82365.o   because trying to load it was stalling the system
[04:21] <Parkerw207> genii : i see , i might try that then , its annoying when things like this happen eh :P
[04:22] <genii> Parkerw207: Yes!
[04:22] <BluesKaj> Hiyas All :)
[04:22] <joseph> hello everyone
[04:23] <BluesKaj> thx genii :)
[04:24] <dhq> genii, well the printer takes ages to print where as in windows it hardly takes 10 secs
[04:24] <joseph> does anyone know how to add a script to Konversation?
[04:24] <dhq> genii, what to do ???
[04:25] <xp_killer> !hi | joseph
[04:25] <ubotu> joseph: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:25] <web> Hi all. Do you speak Russian?
[04:25] <genii> dhq: In the end it does print correctly however?
[04:25] <dhq> genii, we have a problem of electricity here
[04:26] <dhq> genii, i need it fast
[04:26] <xp_killer> dhq: get an genarator
[04:26] <n8k99> !rs
[04:26] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rs - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:26] <dhq> xp_killer, ???
[04:26] <BluesKaj> !ru | web
[04:26] <ubotu> web:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:26] <genii> xp_killer: If he's using a 9 pin dot matrix printer i imagine not much cash for generators :)
[04:26] <n8k99> thanks BluesKaj
[04:27] <xp_killer> tru
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[04:28] <genii> dhq: The only thing i could suggest is to give printing a higher priority by what is called "renicing" the process. You make the computer give it higher priority
[04:29] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: how do i open a port
[04:30] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: and if i do open one will someone see it?
[04:30] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, on a router?
[04:32] <gundam_rx78nt1> I was installing a screensaver called kcomet3.  When I tried to compile it, it asked for the kde headers. I installed the kde headers but it installed all of kde 3.5.x and now I have lost all my icons on all tool bars. How can I correct that?
[04:34] <gundam_rx78nt1> does anybody know how to start the kdewizard?
[04:35] <emilsedgh> gundam_rx78nt1: kpersonalizer
[04:37] <ubuntu> what is the live cd default user and password ?
[04:37] <X1398> hi
[04:37] <X1398> may be root?
[04:37] <gundam_rx78nt1> I can't see my tool bars. I have them selected to be displayed but they don't show up on my applications
[04:38] <ubuntu> X1398 , yes but what is the passowrD?
[04:38] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, kde desktop or gnome?
[04:38] <gundam_rx78nt1> kde
[04:38] <X1398> n0 password? or even root
[04:38] <ubuntu> and there is also "ubuntu" user what is his password ?
[04:38] <X1398> or kubuntu try some
[04:39] <X1398> ubuntu ubuntu?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, that's cuz you have to configure kde to your liking , it doesn't transfer your settings from gnoem
[04:39] <arash> I'm wondering , is Koffice better than OpenOffice?
[04:39] <BluesKaj> err gnome
[04:39] <X1398> openoffice is my prefered
[04:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> BluesKaj, I don't use gnome.
[04:39] <gundam_rx78nt1> :)
[04:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> I was trying to install a screen saver that needed the kde header files installed
[04:40] <arash> I dont even seem to be able to find them in adept-insalltion... is it really that bad?
[04:40] <gundam_rx78nt1> I selected to install it and apt-get installed all of kde 3.5
[04:40] <X1398> my kubuntu doesn't boot -.- only debug an startx does it
[04:41] <gundam_rx78nt1> Now, all of my tool bars (doesn't matter what application it is) aren't appearing.
[04:41] <BluesKaj> gundam_rx78nt1, sounds to me like you re-installed a different version of kde than the onew you were using
[04:41] <rjb> argh, a compile with gcc just crashed my machine:(
[04:41] <ubuntu> X1398 , no it isnt
[04:41] <X1398> ubuntu: -.-
[04:41] <deviance> Whata  good program for video editing?
[04:42] <deviance> !videoediting
[04:42] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about videoediting - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:42] <X1398> ubuntu: u use kde?
[04:42] <Jucato> !info kdenlive
[04:42] <ubotu> Package kdenlive does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:42] <Jucato> hm.
[04:42] <X1398> ubuntu: i mean the kubuntu version?
[04:42] <ubuntu> X1398 , yes and im on live cd
[04:42] <BluesKaj> deviance, most ppl recommend avidemux , although i've seldom used it
[04:42] <ubuntu> X1398 , yes
[04:43] <X1398> ubuntu: may be my internet should work porbably now mom
[04:43] <deviance> Cool
[04:43] <ksivaji> what does GTK stand for ?
[04:44] <SlimeyPete> GNOME ToolKit (used to be GIMP ToolKit)
[04:44] <joseph> does anyone know how to add a script to Konversation?
[04:44] <Jucato> SlimeyPete: err. no
[04:44] <Jucato> it's still the GIMP Tool Kit
[04:45] <ubuntu> someone ?
[04:45] <SlimeyPete> oh right. OK... I'm sure I had this conversation on freenode quite recently and was told it was now Gnome
[04:45] <Jucato> joseph: just put the bash/python script in ~/.kde/share/apps/konversation/scripts/ then add a command alias
[04:46] <ksivaji> how far GTK is used by programmers
[04:46] <SlimeyPete> ksivaji: it's used a lot
[04:46] <joseph> thanks jucato
[04:46] <ksivaji> is it worth to learn GTK or something else is better
[04:46] <X1398> ubuntu: ?
[04:46] <Jucato> GTK and Qt both
[04:46] <X1398> ubuntu: found something
[04:47] <SlimeyPete> ksivaji: some people prefer QT. KDE uses QT.
[04:47] <ksivaji> !QT
[04:47] <ubotu> Qt is the Q toolkit, which forms the base of KDE and is used by many applications to provide a !GUI. Install the libqt3-mt-dev package to compile Qt applications
[04:48] <rediz_> help pls
[04:48] <Parkerw207> does anyone know where you can find detailed lists of Wifi cards that wokr out of the box with Kubuntu ?
[04:48] <X1398> do i have to install nvidia drivers in ubuntu?
[04:49] <SlimeyPete> X1398: if you want 3D support, yes. Otherwise, no.
[04:51] <rediz_> cant get wifi card (belkin) working. anybody got any ideas please
[04:51] <ubuntu> someone know the password for : ubuntu user in livecd ?
[04:51] <rediz_> what support for wifi is there
[04:51] <BluesKaj> !wifi
[04:51] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:52] <rediz_> cheers m8t
[04:54] <BluesKaj> !ndiswrapper | rediz_
[04:54] <ubotu> rediz_: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[04:54] <BluesKaj> ok, 3 diff commands give the same response .
[04:55] <Parkerw207> does anyone here use wifi and kubuntu succesfully ? if so could you name the network card you use?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> Parkerw207, dunno for sure but broadcom cards seem to have more trouble than most
[04:57] <Parkerw207> hmm , see i have a D-Link AirPlus G DWL-G510 Wireless PCI Adapter(rev.C) and that doesnt work , but aprently (rev.A) does
[04:57] <Parkerw207> hwo annoying , i just wondered if anyone knew of one that worked straight otut of the box
[04:58] <ksivaji> Jucato :if glxinfo shows direct rendering : no how to set it to yes
[04:58] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: to open a port on my router it askin me for and adress does kotepe have an adress?and for the port if i open one like 12 do i have to add a next one like 13
[04:59] <Jucato> ksivaji: install the driver for your video card that will give you 3D hardware acceleration (nvidia or ati)
[04:59] <ksivaji> Jucato driver is a software or hardware
[05:00] <Jucato> software
[05:00] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, is kopete asking for that port ?
[05:00] <ksivaji> Jucato can i install any driver or it depends on my hardware ?
[05:00] <Jucato> ksivaji: of course it depends on your video card. you can't install an nvidia driver for an ati video card
[05:01] <ksivaji> Jucato how to find vedio driver for my hardware
[05:01] <Jucato> what is your video card?
[05:02] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: no but for me to send i file to someone i never got true so i read on a website that i need to open a port to send files to my friends
[05:02] <reallyjoel> What exactly is a 'session'? Is it a RAM-dump, or a list of running processes? Or something else?
[05:03] <Jucato> reallyjoel: what do you mean?
[05:03] <ksivaji> Jucato http://pastebin.com/d7659f82
[05:03] <reallyjoel> You can save 'sessions'
[05:03] <reallyjoel> I want to know what is saved
[05:03] <Jucato> hold a sec
[05:04] <reallyjoel> probably not a ram-dump..
[05:04] <Jucato> reallyjoel: http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdebase/quickstart/logging-out.html#session-management
[05:04] <reallyjoel> thanks
[05:04] <Jucato> definitely not a ram dump. that would be standby/suspend
[05:05] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, don't open ports below 1100 as a rule unless required by the client thru a special server
[05:06] <deviance> What is the highest port avalible?
[05:06] <reallyjoel> Ah, it's up to the specific app to decide what to do.. that explains some
[05:06] <Jucato> ksivaji: you're video card is a built-in S3 unichrome. I don't think there is a driver for it that will give you direct rendering. you need a "real" video card
[05:06] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: ok but my routor askin for an adress i dont understand
[05:06] <Jucato> reallyjoel: it's really more like a snapshot of the state of KDE
[05:07] <Jucato> in a way it's like suspend I think (or that type that writes the state to the disk)
[05:08] <ksivaji> Jucato why we dont have driver for built-in S3 unichrome.
[05:08] <corrado> ho istallato xmms con i relativi codec ma quando faccio partire un mp3 dopo qualche secondo non si sente pi l'audio come posso fare ?
[05:08] <Jucato> ksivaji: we don
[05:08] <slackern> deviance: 65536 is the highest port available i think
[05:08] <Jucato> ksivaji: we don't have a driver that will give you direct rendering
[05:08] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, what is the name of the address?
[05:09] <deviance> Cool :D
[05:09] <Pupeno> How do I configure a list of domain names to search when resolving? modifing /etc/resolv.conf is not good enough, it gets overwritten.
[05:09] <wers> how do I prevent beagle from running automatically whenever I log in?
[05:09] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: its kopete im using not a website im going to
[05:09] <ksivaji> Jucato but windows has driver for built-in S3 unichrome
[05:10] <Lunenfeld> does KDE (gutsy) mount external HDs automatically?
[05:10] <Jucato> ksivaji: so does linux. but neither of them have drivers that do direct rendering
[05:10] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, can you access port mapping on you router ?
[05:11] <Jucato> ksivaji: all hardware need drivers in order for you to use them. in the case of video card drivers, you need one with 3D hardware acceleration to be able to have direct rendering
[05:11] <Pupeno> Lunenfeld: Kubuntu does mount external HDs automatically.
[05:11] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: yes
[05:11] <deviance> !ftp
[05:11] <ubotu> FTP clients: !Nautilus, !gFTP (for !GNOME) - !Konqueror, !Kasablanca, !KFTPGrabber (for !KDE) - See also !FTPd
[05:11] <Jucato> ksivaji: in short, you are already using a driver right now, but not a driver that will give you direct rendering. and most built-in video cards don't have those special kind of drivers
[05:11] <Lunenfeld> Pupeno and there should be an icon created on the desktop for a mounted volume, right?
[05:11] <slackern> deviance: if you are running gutsy you could try out filezilla it's in the repos
[05:11] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: http://kopete.kde.org/faq.php#id2291952 this is the website i read wa they wat port to open http://kopete.kde.org/faq.php#id2291952
[05:11] <reallyjoel> is there statistics over how many linux users uses gnome versus kde?
[05:11] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, ok go to port mapping and open the tcp/udp port numder that kopete wants to use
[05:11] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: msn
[05:11] <Pupeno> Lunenfeld: mounted or not, the icon should be there.
[05:12] <deviance> slackern: I'm on feisty
[05:12] <Lunenfeld> Pupeno what if not. How could i access the HD anyway?
[05:12] <slackern> deviance: ahh alright, not sure if it's there
[05:12] <Pupeno> Lunenfeld: look into how to use the mount command.
[05:12] <Pupeno> Lunenfeld: the dmesg command can help you find the divice name.
[05:12] <deviance> Doesnt appear to be slackern
[05:12] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: go to wat?mapping? i taught u mean if i can get in my router
[05:13] <dwuomo> alguien en espaol?
[05:13] <Lunenfeld> Pupeno ok thanks!
[05:13] <deviance> I'm try casablanca though
[05:13] <ksivaji> Jucato ok ok i am clear
[05:13] <Pupeno> !es
[05:13] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:13] <Pupeno> !es to dwuomo
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about es to dwuomo - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:13] <ksivaji> !Motif
[05:13] <ninhobomba> hello.. is there anyway to get monitor mode on ndiswrapper?... my findings on google seem disappointing
[05:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motif - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:14] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, that's what the operation is called , when you open or close a port on your router it's called port mapping...in your case you need to open tcp port 6891 for an application.
[05:15] <Search4Lancer> how do I either boot directly to a terminal, or get out of Xfce right now to a terminal?
[05:16] <Pupeno> Search4Lancer: ctrl-alt-f1 should take you to a terminal.
[05:16] <Pupeno> Search4Lancer: I don't know of a way to boot to a terminal, unless you boot in sigle-user mode.
[05:16] <Search4Lancer> ah... I was doing ctrl-alt-backspace, thanks
[05:17] <Pupeno> Search4Lancer: ctrl-alt-F1..12 will give you different terminals, one being the grafical one.
[05:17] <X1398> dont post things like ctrl-alt-backspace may be one of the newbies press is and want to get alle the free stuff xD
[05:18] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: and how do i do that?
[05:18] <X1398> xD
[05:19] <kenny> have any of you tried the kde4 beta 2 packages yet?
[05:19] <ksivaji> its time for google to shutdown ,see "ask" search engine
[05:19] <ksivaji> really super
[05:19] <X1398> ask what
[05:19] <X1398> frozen dont press it again xD
[05:20] <kenny> the reason i ask is because on the new panel i keep getting "object can not be created" messages
[05:20] <ksivaji> X1398 it is a search engine
[05:21] <X1398> ksivaji: for what
[05:21] <X1398> www?ftp?files?my room?
[05:21] <Jucato> kenny: because the object for that is found in something not packaged by Kubuntu
[05:21] <savage_lunch> mmmm...wtf? ask?
[05:21] <savage_lunch> ask isn't like google
[05:22] <kenny> Jucato, thnks, is this something that we need to compile ourselves?  i find it odd that the instructions say to use plasma, but i don't see anything to use
[05:22] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, what router do you have?...I'm sure you router has a manufacturer's website with a how to tutorial on ''port mapping"
[05:23] <Jucato> kenny: the standard plasma is already there. but there are others that are in development that are found in KDE's svn. yes you have to compile them yourselves. but you might have to compile KDE 4's kdesupport, kdelibs, kdepimlibs, kdebase for it
[05:24] <ksivaji> savage_lunch your correct ask is better than google
[05:24] <ksivaji> savage_lunch you are*  correct ask is better than google
[05:25] <kenny> Jucato, gotcha.  I'll have to play around with that later, thanks for the info!
[05:25] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: livebox
[05:25] <BluesKaj> ksivaji, ask = question
[05:25] <ironfroggy> how can i reset my X config from the command line?
[05:26] <ninhobomba> does anybody know a way to get listen mode on a broadcom using ndiswrapper?
[05:26] <ironfroggy> i tried to configure what monitor i have, because the generic doesn't allow a high enough res. but now x wont start.
[05:26] <BluesKaj> well xp_killer , look for your router instructions ... maybe you have a booklet at home or there's one on the net ...they are all differnt ..time for you to do some research on your own.
[05:26] <X1398> help, i clicked in konquerer on a file and i got opend up with KATE is this file somewhere in temp or so?
[05:27] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: ok
[05:28] <X1398> where does konqueror save temp files from downloads?
[05:29] <stdin> X1398: in /tmp/$USER-kde
[05:29] <ninhobomba> please... i need help getting monitor mode to work on my wifi... pretty please?
[05:29] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy, sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ... choose the plugnplay monitor setting until you can figure out which graphics and monitor drivers to use .
[05:29] <stdin> X1398:  erm kde-$USER
[05:30] <ironfroggy> there is not a setting for my monitor. i tried a model very near to it, but no go.
[05:31] <X1398> stdin: its not there -.-  ive downloaded linuxdriver from nvidia it got opened up with kate i closed it without save
[05:32] <stdin> X1398: when it's closed it's normally gone, and why don't you use the ubuntu packages?
[05:33] <X1398> stdin: what packages? There isnt a 8800GTX in there ...
[05:33] <stdin> !nvidia
[05:33] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:35] <xp_killer> stdin: i have the driver for my ati graph card i falow the instruction but they told me the file does not exsit.why?
[05:35] <stdin> xp_killer: who told you what doesn't exist?
[05:36] <xp_killer> stdin: dos
[05:36] <cedric__> hi all, do you know a french irc canal ?
[05:36] <stdin> huh? that doesn't answer my question
[05:36] <stdin> !fr | cedric__
[05:36] <ubotu> cedric__: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:37] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy, one can find the right hardware driver on the web most of the time, even tho it's not listed in system settings
[05:37] <xp_killer> stdin: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-796aa4d6d0477c8ed722acef1878cc5626855ae3-2 at the part where they say replace <version> by the name of your driver u download
[05:38] <stdin> xp_killer: why are you using the download, and not the package?
[05:39] <xp_killer> stdin: fglrx?
[05:39] <ironfroggy> well i should just need the sync ranges, right?
[05:39] <stdin> xp_killer: xorg-driver-fglrx
[05:39] <shanky> I'm trying to install a new printer, in kubuntu gutsy, but I can't select the proper driver from the printer assistant
[05:41] <ksivaji> !guisty
[05:41] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about guisty - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:41] <ksivaji> !gusty
[05:41] <ubotu> It is spelt !guTSy :)
[05:41] <ksivaji> !guTSy
[05:41] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:41] <xp_killer> stdin: i tink it's install allready but 10hours ago my resolution disapair and i could get it back so i perfer install the one that was ment for my graph card.and even beryl freez my pc sometimes
[05:41] <shanky> I have an epson stylus dx3800, but there are few edpson stylus availables in the assistant
[05:41] <stdin> ksivaji: the bot was mocking you :p
[05:41] <Jucato> stdin: he mocked the bot back :)
[05:41] <shanky> ksivaji: thanks
[05:42] <BluesKaj> ironfroggy, there are other requirements besides ranges but choosing a medium range should get you back to X
[05:42] <jm87> hi
[05:42] <ksivaji> stdin leave it ,it is just a machine
[05:42] <stdin> xp_killer: there is no driver "for your graphics card" there is only one linux driver
[05:42] <xp_killer> stdin: how do i know what drivers kubuntu came with for ati?
[05:42] <ksivaji> shanky thanks for what
[05:43] <shanky> ksivaji: for pointing me to #ubuntu+1
[05:43] <stdin> xp_killer: it comes with the free version, you have to choose to install the non-free one
[05:43] <xp_killer> stdin: therss no drivers?so why linux tell me i have an ati?
[05:43] <ksivaji> shanky i was searching for gusty release date
[05:43] <shaffy> does anyone know a quick command to uninstall the gnome/ubuntu desktop?  (i'm running kubuntu now on a previous ubuntu laptop)
[05:43] <jm87> how i use azerus
[05:44] <jm87> to download file
[05:44] <ironfroggy> i cant find any settings that get me over 800x600
[05:44] <xp_killer> stdin: since i install linux with my ati in the pc it change and i can finaly use beryl
[05:44] <stdin> xp_killer: there is only one binary driver for ALL ati
[05:44] <Jucato> shaffy: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[05:44] <ksivaji> stdin it seems linux doent have driver for many hardware
[05:44] <stdin> xp_killer: the version in feisty is 7.1.0-8.34.8
[05:44] <xp_killer> stdin: just one?and that one is good for all?
[05:44] <shaffy> Jucato:  thanks bro.  much appreciated.
[05:45] <stdin> xp_killer: no, but there is only one
[05:45] <stdin> xp_killer: ATI control it and sometimes remove support for some cards
[05:46] <xp_killer> stdin: well on this web site https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-796aa4d6d0477c8ed722acef1878cc5626855ae3-2 they tell me how to install the driver for my card witch i want to do
[05:46] <freepenguin> hello men
[05:46] <stdin> xp_killer: follow _this_ one https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI#head-d8c6fd05bce340dfc3ad483abf0e18997868540b
[05:48] <xp_killer> stdin: fglrx is allready install
[05:48] <xp_killer> stdin: by default
[05:49] <stdin> xp_killer: no
[05:49] <stdin> xp_killer: it's not
[05:49] <xp_killer> stdin: no?so how do i check to see if it's is or not?
[05:49] <vist_killer> heheh
[05:49] <sven_oostenbrink> I can not save anything in Open office.. I have a fresh kubuntu 7.04 install. Whenever I try save as, the file window that shows, tries to load the contents of /home/user, but it stays at 0%.. I can select sub directories there though, but save does NOT work
[05:50] <stdin> xp_killer: it will use the free "ati" driver by default, you have to install fglrx and enable it
[05:50] <yurimxpxman> does the lpr command support ODT files?
[05:51] <radius> !gutsy channel
[05:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about gutsy channel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:51] <radius> what's the channel for gutsy questions again
[05:51] <PhinnFort> how do I get java support in firefox?
[05:51] <stdin> !gutsy
[05:51] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[05:51] <stdin> !java | PhinnFort
[05:51] <ubotu> PhinnFort: To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[05:51] <radius> thanks
[05:51] <PhinnFort> stdin: I've looked at it, and there's no sun-java6-plugin for amd64
[05:52] <Lustblader> how to mount windows fat32 drives in kubuntu live cd????
[05:52] <PhinnFort> java seems to work in konqueror (which uses it's own pluginthingy), but all applets break
[05:52] <Jucato> !flash64
[05:52] <ubotu> You can run Flash, Real, and Java plugins in AMD64 bit computers with Firefox. see the steps to follow at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava
[05:52] <stdin> PhinnFort: on that page there are instructions for amd64
[05:52] <PhinnFort> stdin: ah, thanks, didn't scroll far down enough:P
[05:53] <MacZtttlkwork> Hi
[05:53] <PhinnFort> thanks
[05:53] <MacZtttlkwork> anybody here using the ATI open source Xorg's driver? "radeon"
[05:53] <Lustblader> how to mount windows fat32 drives in kubuntu live cd????
[05:53] <PhinnFort> meh, so much hassle just to use my bank
[05:53] <SlimeyPete> !fat32
[05:53] <ubotu> To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions - See also !fuse
[05:54] <MacZtttlkwork> !radeon
[05:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[05:55] <xp_killer> stdin: ok i run sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager what do i do next?becaus the tuto tell me to go in System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers witch i dont see
[05:56] <stdin> xp_killer: you're supposed to follow the edgy instructions, it says "Note: If you use Kubuntu then follow the instructions for 6.10 (Edgy)--"
[05:56] <Lustblader> i want to mount them in the live cd
[05:56] <PhinnFort> I just had a fun experience... with java in ie in wine
[05:56] <PhinnFort> my screen went black
[05:57] <xp_killer> stdin: arf it install symnatic
[05:57] <xp_killer> :(
[05:57] <soulrider> !sound
[05:57] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[05:57] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, no BSOD ? :)
[05:58] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: well, I suspect it's the intel graphics driver that doesn't like something wine does with java
[05:58] <PhinnFort> but at least I got in
[05:59] <xp_killer> stdin: how do i check if fglrx is not disabled?
[05:59] <BluesKaj> PhinnFort, I haven't tried that yet IE in Wine , sounds interesting :)
[05:59] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: 32-bit?
[06:00] <stdin> xp_killer: look in /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure it has a line with: Deiver "fglrx"
[06:00] <PhinnFort> or how do you do java?
[06:01] <BluesKaj> I don't actively do java
[06:01] <freepenguin> Guardate dove  finita l'istruzione italiana: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTym-NfHR_w
[06:02] <slint> can someone help me out with my xserver?
[06:03] <xp_killer> stdin: i did ctrl+f for fglrx theres no line with fglrx
[06:03] <slint> i got it working, but everytime i reboot i have to reconfig
[06:03] <slint> someone please help me out with this
[06:03] <stdin> xp_killer: did you follow all the instructions ?
[06:04] <stdin> xp_killer: did you install fglrx-control and run "sudo depmod -a" then "sudo aticonfig --initial" and "sudo aticonfig --overlay-type=Xv" ?
[06:04] <slint> stdin everytime i restart i have to use those commands or i get a black screen
[06:04] <slint> any ideas as to why?
[06:04] <xp_killer> stdin: no :p
[06:05] <stdin> slint: no, not really. I don't use ATI so I've never had to use those commands. have you tried asking in #ubuntu-effects ? they know more about the drivers than I do
[06:07] <slint> stdin thanks
[06:09] <eder> i need to know how to uninstall Nvidia Drivers
[06:10] <IppatsuManXYZ> eder: sudo dpkg-reconfigure -phigh xserver-xorg - this won't delete the nvidia's drivers, but X won't use them anymore
[06:11] <eder> Ok IppatsuManXYZ let me try
[06:11] <eder> see ya in a minute
[06:15] <xp_killer> stdin: i dont have a section  "Extensions" in xorg
[06:16] <stdin> xp_killer: you can add it
[06:17] <xp_killer> stdin: just like that?anywhere?
[06:17] <stdin> xp_killer: like it says, at the bottom
[06:17] <xp_killer> :p
[06:17] <rediz_> cant cd /home/kfreeflight
[06:18] <rediz_> any ideas
[06:18] <rediz_> in terminal cant change directory past home
[06:19] <rediz_> says no file or folder when it  is there
[06:19] <rediz_> its doing my head in
[06:20] <rediz_> anyone help plz(newbie)
[06:20] <pag> rediz_, it's usually /home/YourUserName/kfreeflight or something like that
[06:20] <rediz_> yeah btryed that but wont
[06:20] <ubuntu> hi
[06:21] <ubuntu> I am new
[06:21] <pag> rediz_, tried " cd && ls " already?
[06:21] <pag> !hi | ubuntu
[06:21] <ubotu> ubuntu: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[06:21] <eder> Hi to everyone
[06:21] <ubuntu> could you tell me is there any wifi on Munich airport ?
[06:22] <pag> Hello eder :)
[06:22] <eder> :D
[06:22] <eder> look i have a problem
[06:22] <eder> i have an Nvidia FX 5200 and i cant configure it
[06:22] <rediz_> cant  cd /rediz(says no)
[06:22] <eder> can you help me pag?
[06:22] <JuJuBee_> I have a usb->db9 converter so I can use minicom to console to a router.  When configuring minicom, what /dev do I use for it?
[06:22] <pag> rediz_, cd /home/rediz  or simply cd ~
[06:23] <Stilo> how can i make a screenshot of my compiz fusion cube
[06:23] <Stilo> ?
[06:23] <pag> !nv | eder
[06:23] <rediz_> pag help plz
[06:23] <ubotu> eder: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[06:23] <shaffy> help anyone?  i just uninstalled ubuntu on my system which already had kubuntu on it.  my kubuntu has been acting a little strange now.  i'm wondering if there is a command i can run to see whether or not all necessary kubuntu components are installed.
[06:23] <xp_killer> stdin: after add the section do i have to press ctrl+alt+backspace?
[06:23] <eder> let em see ubotu
[06:23] <ubuntu> also looking for usb linux ?
[06:23] <xp_killer> stdin: i dont understan the part after adding the section
[06:23] <ubuntu> anyone knows ?
[06:23] <stdin> xp_killer: logout and choose "Restart the X server" from KDM
[06:23] <ubunturos> !DSL
[06:23] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[06:24] <ubunturos> ubuntu: you can have a look at MCNLive or Damn Small Linux
[06:24] <Stilo> help plz :)
[06:24] <ubuntu> thx
[06:24] <ubunturos> ubuntu: have a look at distrowatch.com for details of these
[06:25] <pag> Stilo, "Print screen" -button should work... scrot will work too, but it's little harder to use
[06:26] <stdin> you can get KSnapshot to delay the screen print, that's probably easiest
[06:26] <Stilo> only press Print?
[06:26] <eder> im trying with Envy
[06:26] <pag> !envy | eder
[06:27] <ubotu> eder: envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[06:27] <rediz_> pag got into dir kflight but when i konsole make install it wont
[06:28] <eder> ok ubotu, let me try the official driver
[06:28] <pag> rediz_, " ./configure && make && sudo make install "
[06:29] <ubuntu> mcnlive nice
[06:29] <ubuntu> but how to install on flashdisk on windows xp sp2 ?
[06:30] <shaffy> can anyone tell me how i find out what version of kde i am running?
[06:31] <pag> shaffy, probably not the best way, but open konsole and type " konsole --version "
[06:31] <stdin> shaffy: or just go to Help > About KDE in any kde app
[06:31] <vist_killer> konsole -v
[06:32] <shaffy> thanks.  much appreciated guys
[06:33] <eder> ubotu im downloading 1.0-9755 driver
[06:33] <stdin> !bot | eder
[06:33] <ubotu> eder: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:33] <soulrider> !sound
[06:33] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[06:33] <JuJuBee_> I just finished installing a fresh copy of kubuntu on 14 computer in my lab. I used the dpk --get-selections > my_packages trick to get all the computers to have all the packages as my model computer.  For some reason, some of the computers do not have all the same packages available like netbeans for example.  Why is that? and how do I correct it?
[06:33] <JuJuBee_> I tried to Fetch Updates.
[06:33] <eder> well im trying 1.0-9755 driver
[06:33] <pag> eder, sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx
[06:34] <eder> who can tell me if is allright?
[06:34] <stdin> JuJuBee_: did you make sure they all have the same repositories set?
[06:34] <rediz_> pag wot does && mean
[06:34] <pag> eder, (or just use Adept)
[06:34] <eder> let me try pag
[06:34] <JuJuBee_> I burned 14 copies of the exact same image of kubuntu
[06:34] <JuJuBee_> I guessed that they would be the same.
[06:35] <pag> rediz_, "and" Bash recognises that syntax. so ie. "do something && after that do another"
[06:35] <pag> "another thing" I mean :)
[06:36] <stdin> JuJuBee_: did you did "sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade" yes?
[06:36] <JuJuBee_> Yes.
[06:36] <stdin> JuJuBee_: well, they should all have the same things on them then, just check the sources.list anyway, to make sure then all have universe/multiverse
[06:37] <rediz_> got ya ;-)
[06:37] <rediz_> still cant get it going
[06:37] <JuJuBee_> I'll give it a try.  Thanks stdin.
[06:38] <pag> rediz_, pastebin ( http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org ) the output of ./configure
[06:38] <eder> K, see ya in a minute
[06:40] <JuJuBee_> stdin : the sources.list is the same on both computers.  One has netbeans to install the other does not.
[06:41] <sven_oostenbrink> I can not save anything in Open office.. I have a fresh kubuntu 7.04 install. Whenever I try save as, the file window that shows, tries to load the contents of /home/user, but it stays at 0%.. I can select sub directories there though, but save does NOT work
[06:42] <stdin> JuJuBee_: you could try "sudo dselect install"
[06:43] <JuJuBee_> Yep, brb
[06:43] <JuJuBee_> On which computer the one that was good or bad?
[06:44] <rediz_> pag pasteed output ./configure
[06:45] <pag> rediz_, you could also give the link to the paste, it makes things far more easier ;)
[06:45] <rediz_> too newbie not shaw wot mean
[06:46] <rediz_> wot wwas the link
[06:46] <pag> rediz_, after you pressed "Paste" pastebin redirected you to a new page, with adress like paste.ubuntu-nl.org/2354 (or something like that)
[06:47] <rediz_> then what?
[06:47] <npurciful> Where would i make a complaint about the ubufox firefox extension that is install by default?
[06:47] <rediz_> does it do
[06:47] <jhutchins>  Or we could all just try to guess where your paste went, because it's so very important to us.
[06:47] <pag> rediz_, paste that adress here, so we can find your paste
[06:47] <BluesKaj> sven_oostenbrink, it sounds like a permissions problem. Perhaps the file you're trying to save to is protected ?
[06:47] <JuJuBee_> stdin : asking me if I want to erase any previously .deb files?
[06:48] <stdin> JuJuBee_: you can say no I guess
[06:48] <rediz_> checking build system type... Invalid configuration `i686-pc-linux-oldld': machine `i686-pc-linux' not recognized
[06:48] <rediz_> configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub i686-pc-linux-oldld failed
[06:48] <rediz_> that come up wheni ./configure
[06:49] <rediz_> arrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggg
[06:49] <npurciful> what is the gusty dev room
[06:49] <pag> rediz_, hmm.. I have no idea what that means.. maybe someone else knows?
[06:50] <stdin> !gutsy | npurciful
[06:50] <ubotu> npurciful: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[06:50] <rediz_> linux is hard. but i like it
[06:50] <eder> well pag, im back
[06:50] <rediz_> i'm too nebie to understand
[06:50] <rediz_> *newbie
[06:50] <pag> eder, did it work?
[06:50] <eder> nop T_T
[06:51] <eder> i used the lastest nvidia Driver
[06:51] <BluesKaj> stdin, has the Gutsy release date been released yet ? :)
[06:51] <eder> wich suppose to support my Nvidia
[06:51] <eder> and still nothing
[06:51] <npurciful> thanks
[06:51] <stdin> BluesKaj: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule :)
[06:51] <eder> pag, what do you think about automatix?
[06:51] <pag> eder, it just did nothing or the X (graphical mode) didn't start?
[06:52] <eder> the X didnt start
[06:52] <pag> !automatix | eder
[06:52] <stdin> !automatix | stdin thinks this about automatix
[06:52] <ubotu> eder: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[06:52] <BluesKaj> stdin, cool :)
[06:52] <ubotu> stdin thinks this about automatix: Automatix2 is a block of code which attempts to install some software.  When it fails and breaks systems, we don't provide support for it.  A creditable analysis from a debian/ubuntu developer is here - http://mjg59.livejournal.com/77440.html (Additional information: /msg ubotu worksforme)
[06:52] <eder> i have to restart it
[06:53] <rediz_> thanks for help pag. i'm getting there slowly but surley
[06:53] <eder> what i do now pag?
[06:53] <arash> Hi guys, I have had this problem for a long while, I'm wondering if I can change which sound output sould be active? for example that Headphones should be priored to loudspeakers in case of being plugges n, or vice verse. Somone gave me help in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3353582#post3353582 , but I didnt understand what the poster meant :p
[06:53] <JuJuBee_> stdin : now what?
[06:54] <JuJuBee_> after answering no to erasing .deb files, it quit.
[06:54] <pag> eder, my suggest would be "instll the drivers from the apt and enable them manually in xorg.conf" but it's easier said than done :)
[06:54] <stdin> JuJuBee_: that should read the selections from 'dpkg --set-selections" and install the packages, if it quit it thinks it's done
[06:54] <eder> can you explain me please pag?
[06:55] <pag> eder, sure. " sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx && kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf "
[06:56] <eder> pag what mean &&?
[06:56] <pag> eder, "and"
[06:56] <eder> i see
[06:56] <gnomefreak> if first doesnt fail
[06:56] <pag> eder, you can either split that command or just copy-paste it as-is
[06:56] <gnomefreak> ;; == run anyway iirc
[06:56] <JuJuBee_> stdin : what is the command to update the db from cli?
[06:56] <eder> can make it without close the X?
[06:56] <pag> gnomefreak, thanks :)
[06:56] <gnomefreak> yw
[06:56] <stdin> JuJuBee_: you mean "sudo apt-get update" ?
[06:57] <JuJuBee_> Thanks.
[06:57] <pag> eder, yup.
[06:57] <eder> Thanks pag, let me try
[06:57] <pag> eder, actually; you shouldn't close X, since kate is graphical app
[06:57] <shaffy> is there an application in kubuntu that i can use to check my sources.list and keys?
[06:57] <JuJuBee_> Still no netbeans available.
[06:57] <eder> pag, and in the xorg.conf, what i do?
[06:58] <pag> shaffy, Adept Manager has that function iirc
[06:58] <shaffy> thanks pag.  i'm gonna check it out now
[06:58] <pag> eder, backup it first (save as)
[06:58] <eder> K
[06:58] <JuJuBee_> stdin : netbeans still not avail for install.
[06:58] <eder> now what?
[06:59] <pag> eder, then re-open it ( kdesu kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf )
[06:59] <stdin> JuJuBee_: are they on feisty?
[06:59] <pag> eder, and find the line " Driver "nv" "
[06:59] <JuJuBee_> YEs
[06:59] <rediz_> help please cant login as root
[06:59] <rediz_> how do i login as root
[06:59] <pag> eder, there you should change "nv" to "nvidia"
[06:59] <stdin> JuJuBee_: are you trying to install "netbeans" or "netbeans5.5" ?
[06:59] <pag> !rootsudo | rediz_
[07:00] <ubotu> rediz_: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[07:00] <eder> k, pag let me try
[07:00] <JuJuBee_> neither, apt-cache search netbeans
[07:00] <stdin> !root | rediz_
[07:00] <ubotu> rediz_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[07:00] <JuJuBee_> tried looking in adept as well and not there.
[07:00] <stdin> JuJuBee_: are they all x86 or are some amd64?
[07:01] <eder> done pag, now what?
[07:01] <pag> eder, now the fun part - restart X and hope it worked (and if it didn't you should recover the backup)
[07:01] <JuJuBee_> x86
[07:01] <eder> K, pag, let me try
[07:02] <stdin> JuJuBee_: make sure they all have multiverse, it's in there
[07:02] <pag> genii, sudo -i  does pretty much the same thing, doesn't it? :)
[07:02] <stdin> !info netbeans5.5
[07:02] <ubotu> netbeans5.5: NetBeans IDE for development of applications in Java. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 5.5-0.59 (feisty), package size 33 kB, installed size 172 kB
[07:02] <JuJuBee_> Yes, it is in there.  I compared the lists from one that did work and one that did not.  Both Identical.
[07:02] <genii> pag: I'm not sure if there are any subtle differences or not. Perhaps they are equivelent
[07:04] <shaffy> does anyone know if the build-essentials package works in kubuntu, as well as ubuntu?
[07:06] <stdin> shaffy: the only difference between ubuntu and kubuntu is the GUI
[07:07] <shaffy> stdin:  okay with that said, then i am having a problem.  i can't seem to install build-essentials.  i've looked in adept manager and i've tried aptitude
[07:07] <stdin> shaffy: helps if you tell me what happened when you tried, and what's not working
[07:07] <pag> !info build-essential | shaffy
[07:07] <ubotu> shaffy: build-essential: informational list of build-essential packages. In component main, is optional. Version 11.3 (feisty), package size 6 kB, installed size 48 kB
[07:07] <ScorpKing> hi all! how can i print file.pdf to a smb printer from cli?
[07:07] <deviance> I accidentaly clicked cut on my hard drive desktop Icon, how can I uncut it?
[07:08] <stdin> deviance: paste it again or just copy something else, it doesn't move until you paste it
[07:08] <eder> im back pag
[07:08] <deviance> Okay, :P
[07:08] <eder> and didn work
[07:08] <eder> the X didnt start again
[07:09] <eder> just a black screen
[07:09] <pag> eder, any error messeges?
[07:09] <eder> nop
[07:09] <eder> just didnt start
[07:09] <pag> eder, did you try to log to a console and type 'startx'?
[07:09] <eder> yeah
[07:09] <eder> i start it
[07:09] <eder> stop it
[07:09] <eder> and start it again
[07:10] <jhutchins> eder: If you didn't get error messages in the console, you didn't start it.
[07:10] <pag> eder, and it didn't work and gave no errors at all? :O
[07:10] <eder> Ok pag, let me try again all the process
[07:10] <soulrider> !vmware
[07:10] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[07:11] <uga> soulrider: it'd have been nicer if workstation packs existed too. gentoo provides them
[07:11] <uga> you need a license, of course, but it's always nice that it becomes easy to installe
[07:11] <uga> *install
[07:12] <arash> Hi guys, I have had this problem for a long while, I'm wondering if I can change which sound output sould be active? for example that Headphones should be prior to loudspeakers in case of being plugged in, or vice verse. Someone gave me help in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3353582#post3353582 , but I didnt understand what the poster meant :p
[07:12] <rediz_> it worked cheers. now i can copy file into file system. cheers :-)
[07:12] <JuJuBee_> stdin : when I launch adept on each computer, one says there sare 20813 available packages and the other is 21392 available.
[07:12] <JuJuBee_> *are
[07:12] <jhutchins> arash: Usually when plugging in the headphones overrides the speaker(s) it's because of a physical switch incorporated in the headphone jack.  Not a software option.
[07:13] <jhutchins> arash: How is your software supposed to know if you have headphones plugged in?
[07:13] <stdin> JuJuBee_: looks like they have different repositories then
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> jhutchins on my vista box - some how it knows that. :)
[07:13] <Dr_Willis> well it pops up and asks "what did you just plug in' :)
[07:14] <jhutchins> Dr_Willis: Standard phone jack, or usb?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> Software programable in/outputs i guess.
[07:14] <ubuntu> stdin: after restartin x server linux never reboot again xp killer
[07:14] <Dr_Willis> it just says 'headphone' on the front of the case.   Not USB.
[07:14] <jhutchins> Has some kind of detection in the hardware then.
[07:15] <Dr_Willis> yea onboard sound  -  realtek somthing or another.  I dont have room for a better sound card.
[07:15] <stdin> ubuntu: I don't know, I don't use ati
[07:15] <eder> pag, im back
[07:15] <eder> now i startx
[07:15] <eder> and show errors
[07:16] <arash> jhutchins: uhu, Vista seem to have arranged the the sound output priored in a different way that is more favorable to me. The thing is, I have some stupid Keyboard set that includes mouse and a extremely poor loudspeaker that is priored (which really is bad). So my favorite sound outputs aint making the sound
[07:16] <ubuntu> stdin:ok how do i restor xorg from backup
[07:16] <pag> eder, and what did the errors say? :)
[07:16] <ubuntu> stdin: using cd live
[07:16] <eder> couldnt find screens
[07:17] <eder> do you remember where is the error log?
[07:17] <tuco> Hello all
[07:17] <pag> eder, somewhere under /var/log/
[07:17] <pag> !hi | tuco
[07:17] <ubotu> tuco: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:17] <eder> here is it pag
[07:18] <tuco> I want to change the theme in kdm manager, I can't see how. Have kdm installed though
[07:18] <JuJuBee_> stdin : Repo's are exactly same.  I copied and pasted htem to be safe and still there is a diff in number of available packages.
[07:18] <JuJuBee_> and no netbeans to boot
[07:18] <ubuntu> did stdin runaway?
[07:18] <stdin> ubuntu: you don't need a live cd, start in recovery mode and "mv /etc/X11/xorg.conf.backup /etc/X11/xorg.conf" (if "xorg.conf.backup" is the backup)
[07:19] <arash> jhutchins: the bad loudspeaker seem to be connected to USB, you might think I just can plug it out, but mouse and keyboard is connected to that, sp they will be disbaled then ( my dad bought it :p ) ...
[07:19] <stdin> JuJuBee_: unless they are different versions or different architectures that shouldn't happen
[07:19] <jhutchins> arash: Blacklist the modules for it.
[07:19] <ubuntu> stdin: recover mode dont work thats why im in cd live
[07:19] <arash> jhutchins: seems interesting, How do I do that?
[07:19] <rediz_> cant get amarok to play mp3. help pls
[07:19] <pag> !mp3 | rediz_
[07:19] <ubotu> rediz_: For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:19] <JuJuBee_> I agree, but it is happening.  They are identical computers dell optiplex gx620
[07:19] <stdin> ubuntu: then it's not an X issue
[07:20] <jhutchins> arash: determine which modules it uses and put them in the module blacklist file.
[07:20] <tuco> If somebody can tell me how I can change a theme in KDM please do so, this have been driving me crazy for days.
[07:20] <jhutchins> !blacklist | arash
[07:20] <ubotu> arash: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[07:20] <pag> tuco, install " kdemtheme "
[07:20] <pag> kdmtheme that is
[07:20] <stdin> JuJuBee_: you copied the sources.list and ran "sudo apt-get update" then it should work. there is no reason I know of that would stop it
[07:20] <tuco> I have it Pag
[07:21] <pag> tuco, kdesu kdmtheme  should work then
[07:21] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, I just installed kubuntu.. open office and krusader both have more or less the same problem: I can navigate, but trying to write or copy a file is impossible..
[07:21] <eder> some place larger that shortText.com?
[07:22] <sven_oostenbrink> in open office, the directory box can give directory hints, but the file lister stays empty.. pressing OK to save  does nothign
[07:22] <sven_oostenbrink> krusader can navigate,  but move and copy do nothign
[07:22] <pag> tuco, or maybe not.. sorry; kdesu kcontrol  and there find it under Admin.
[07:22] <JuJuBee_> stdin : "some index files failed to download.  they have been ingnore or old ones used instead".  Think we might be on to something.
[07:23] <pag> !pastebin | eder
[07:23] <ubotu> eder: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[07:23] <sven_oostenbrink> Does anybody know what could be the cause and / or solution ot this??
[07:23] <kkathman> sven_oostenbrink:  krusader works fine for me
[07:23] <sven_oostenbrink> kkathman, it normally also does for me, but now it does not.. that is the problem..
[07:23] <kkathman> but I typically dont use it
[07:23] <stdin> JuJuBee_: post the whole output of sudo apt-get update to pastebin
[07:23] <Parkerw207> heya everyone i need help with installing kubuntu on my pc
[07:23] <sven_oostenbrink> By the way, Im using a dell latitute D620, if it makess a difference
[07:23] <kkathman> I use Konqeror just cuz it allows me to do so much more
[07:24] <kkathman> sven_oostenbrink:  I'd try Konq and see if maybe you dont have those same things there
[07:24] <sven_oostenbrink> well, I dnt really need krusader.. so back to open office: I can not save any document!! Why not??
[07:24] <JuJuBee_> K, brb
[07:24] <kkathman> if you dont, then reboot
[07:24] <kkathman> otherwise, maybe restart krusader or  reboot anyways :)
[07:24] <kkathman> Im not as familiar with the way krusder actually works
[07:25] <Parkerw207> i put the disk i got into the drive and loaded it up , it went through a check list saying everything was ok , abstraction layer ok , user setup ok , then it gave me a message saying that kubuntu give no warranty , then it went back to a loading screen and just sat there
[07:25] <Parkerw207> i managed to get into.. what i think is the command line interface , but i am a linux newbie and done know how to go from there
[07:25] <sven_oostenbrink> okay, even konqueror has this problem: Its not showing any file in the listers.. what could cause this??
[07:25] <kkathman> Parkerw207:  was this with the live CD or the install cd?
[07:25] <soulrider> !virtualbox
[07:25] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[07:25] <Parkerw207> live cd
[07:26] <kkathman> sven_oostenbrink: hit ctrl-esc and look to see if the dcop server is running
[07:26] <tuco_> anybody knows how to install a theme in KDM please?
[07:26] <sven_oostenbrink> kkathman, I have 2 dcopserver processes running
[07:26] <Parkerw207> i am on my laptop at the moment so that i can get help and not have to keep switching lol
[07:26] <eder> pag, can you check this? http://pastebin.com/d11cb816a
[07:27] <kkathman> tuco_:  save to a directory, then open your system settings and load the theme under appearances& themes
[07:27] <sven_oostenbrink> kkathman, looks like one is root, the other is sven (me)
[07:27] <kkathman> sven_oostenbrink:  yah, ok, have you tried rebooting yet to see if it goes away?
[07:27] <tuco_> I did KK but it is greyed out
[07:27] <arash> jhutchkins, Im wondering, Is there a list of modules that are connected or something, how can I find out what name a module has?
[07:27] <Parkerw207> anyone?
[07:27] <kkathman> tuco_:  what is greyed out?
[07:28] <tuco_> The option to load the theme
[07:28] <JuJuBee_> stdin : http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37439
[07:28] <kkathman> tuco_:  kcontrol - Appearance & Theme - Theme Manager, then Install New Theme
[07:28] <arash> parkerw207 , hmm, you have not come to the desktop interface yet?
[07:29] <Parkerw207> no
[07:29] <Parkerw207> it just went back to the annoying loading screen and sat there
[07:29] <pag> eder, I'm not that good with log-files - didn't see anything wrong there..
[07:29] <Parkerw207> so i started looking for a way to get to the command line interface and then i found it
[07:29] <Parkerw207> but i dont know where to go from here
[07:29] <stdin> JuJuBee_: remove any files in /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/: "sudo rm /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/*" then try again
[07:29] <eder> couldnt find screens pag
[07:30] <eder> what i do now pag?
[07:30] <arash> parkerw207, hmm, you have a 32bit CD? I remember similiar problems when puting in a 64 bit CD which I thought my comp could handle (you write from command line?)
[07:30] <tuco_> KK I have it in front of me
[07:30] <kkathman> tuco_:  ok good
[07:30] <Parkerw207> no its the 32 bit one , and i dont knwo any commands for linux i just somehow managed to get the command line up lol
[07:31] <tuco_> I did Kcontrol,have appearance and themes and sub-categories, but don't know where I can't install the kdm from
[07:31] <eder> let me try something
[07:31] <Parkerw207> ubuntu@ubuntu :$ is was i get now lol
[07:31] <kkathman> tuco_:  go to Theme Manager
[07:31] <pag> eder, I'm pretty much out of ideas... you could try to enable drivers and then reconfigure your xserver, but I'm not sure if it will help
[07:31] <arash> parkerw207 , how you conect to irc without linux experience :p ?
[07:31] <tuco_> OK yes. Just remember I am talking about the Log in theme huh!
[07:32] <Parkerw207> lol i know how to use irc , just... i dont have much experience with kubuntu not installing , i'm used to it working staight away lol
[07:32] <kkathman> tuco_:  login theme?? You mean the KDE splash or the Boot Splash?
[07:32] <Parkerw207> so anyone know a command i can type to get me into the live cd , or just to install kubuntu at any rate?
[07:32] <tuco_> Well the splash where you log in to the pc with usernam and password.
[07:32] <tuco_> username sorry.
[07:33] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 you may want to clarify a bit. Not sure what you are doing exactly.
[07:33] <JuJuBee_> stdin : that did the trick.  THanks heaps :)
[07:33] <arash> parkerw207 heh, Im no expert, a expert could probably give better advice, but have you tested defection on CD?
[07:33] <kkathman> tuco_:  ahh ok well that's not the "theme"
[07:33] <stdin> JuJuBee_: no problem :)
[07:33] <Parkerw207> yes i checked the disk to make sure it was ok , i did  a memory test as well
[07:33] <kkathman> thats just a splash screen
[07:34] <JuJuBee_> Now is there a way to install any packages (easily) from the previous selection without installing one at a time?
[07:34] <tuco_> Ah!
[07:34] <tuco_> I mean there are loads in Kde-look.org
[07:34] <tuco_> I download them from there but can't install them
[07:34] <Parkerw207> i basically put the cd in , it went through its normal process of checking drivers etc , gave the message saying that kubuntu doesnt give a warranty , then it went back to the loading screen and just sat there doing nothing for ages , i then tried combinations of buttons to see if i could get to the command line interface whihc is what i have infront of me now
[07:35] <rediz_> how do i check disk space?
[07:35] <Dr_Willis> df -h   shows free disk space
[07:35] <Parkerw207> it says , Ubuntu@Ubuntu: $
[07:36] <JuJuBee_> stdin : is there a way to install anything that did not install from the dpkg trick?
[07:36] <Parkerw207> so i dont know where to go from here
[07:37] <stdin> JuJuBee_: try the process again, with sudo dpkg --set-selections < selections && sudo apt-get dselect-upgrade
[07:37] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 sounds like the cd is having some iossues.. this is a live cd? not an alternative install cd eh? What video card do you have?
[07:37] <xp_killer> stdin: hoz do i get out of the konsole that keep showing when i try to go back on linux
[07:37] <JuJuBee_> stdin: I was a fraid that would try ti install everything all over again.
[07:38] <xp_killer> stdin: the backup file dont exist
[07:38] <arash> How do I see all modules that are avaible to disable? !module seems just to tell me how to disable certain modules, but how can I see which ones exists?
[07:38] <xp_killer> i; running cd live
[07:39] <xp_killer> stdin: if i wipe out the xorg file will it work?
[07:39] <stdin> xp_killer: there should be one, it may be called something else like xorg.conf.20070914163259 (like that, but probably not exactly)
[07:39] <Parkerw207> dr_willis , this is a live cd
[07:39] <arun> um, do i need any special php extensions installed to view auto-generated captcha images? i'm testing an application on a local lamp server
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 what video card? thats often a stumbling point for the live cd's
[07:41] <Parkerw207> dr_willis : its a HIS X800XL IceQ II Turbo 256MB PCIe
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> That the Heck is that.. :) who makes it? ATI?
[07:41] <Parkerw207> Powered by ATI Radeon X800 XL
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. its possible its trying to use the 'ati' driver. when it needs the 'vesa' driver for a better default.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> could try editing the /etc/X11/xorg.conf file and see what Driver its using.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Have had do some fighting with ati in the past sadly.
[07:42] <Parkerw207> hmm , so what can i do , i aint really interested in using the live part , i just simply want to instal it
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> the live cd installer needs X.  OR you could go get the alternative isntall cd.
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> it dosent need X.
[07:43] <shaffy> can anyone help?  "sudo aptitude install build-essentials" yields "Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "build-essentials"
[07:43] <Parkerw207> grrr , so i am basicall buggered at the mo?
[07:43] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 editign that file and rerun startx, would take all of.. 2 min. :)
[07:43] <Parkerw207> how do i do that from command line?
[07:44] <pag> shaffy, isn't it " sudo aptitude install build-essential "?
[07:44] <Dr_Willis>  grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> to see what driver its using.,
[07:44] <shaffy> pag:  thanks.  ^-^
[07:44] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 learning how to do it.. will take more then 2 min. :) but not much more
[07:44] <Parkerw207> ok just waiting for it to work lol
[07:44] <Parkerw207> its not doing nothing
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. You may be having even more serious issues then.
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> should be instantous.
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> or ya did a typo
[07:45] <Parkerw207> ok
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> CASE is imporntant
[07:45] <Parkerw207> one sec
[07:45] <xp_killer> stdin: i had past my xorg file on my desktop..i mounted the ext3 to get to the descktop but its lock.how do i get there?
[07:45] <Parkerw207> oooh right
[07:45] <Dr_Willis> Linux FUNDAmentals
[07:46] <xp_killer> stdin: im on cd live
[07:46] <rediz_> lkh
[07:46] <stdin> xp_killer: use sudo as normal
[07:46] <Parkerw207> is there anythign i can do before i click on install to stop this happening ?
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 after ya install. it MIGHT use the right drivers. Best would be to install the actual fglrx drivers after you install.
[07:46] <Dr_Willis> for legal reasons the distro cant incliude them or do it automaticially
[07:47] <Parkerw207> ahh i see
[07:47] <Dr_Willis> of course with the newer cards. they break some of the old-functions/standards also
[07:47] <Parkerw207> well i am back to the screen asking whether i want to install
[07:47] <Parkerw207> start in safe graphics mode etc
[07:47] <Parkerw207> is there anything i could do now ?
[07:47] <xp_killer> stdin: o.O i dont know how to open a folder using sudo
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 not sure what screen you mean. the live cd dosent ask if you want to isntall.. the isntaller icon is on the desktop
[07:48] <stdin> xp_killer: how did you mount it?
[07:48] <shaffy> can anyone help?  a ./configure of superkaramba yields "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X includes. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!"  any ideas?
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> shaffy start installinght various X developer files.
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> and a lot of other kde-developer files..
[07:48] <xp_killer> stdin: sys settings
[07:48] <stdin> !xincludes | shaffy
[07:49] <ubotu> shaffy: When a program or configure script asks for "X includes", you should probably install the following packages: xlibs-dev   xlibs-static-dev   xorg-dev
[07:49] <Parkerw207> ooh , it the screen saying , "Start or install" / " Start kubuntu in safe graphics mode" / "check cd for defects"/ "memory test"/ "Boot from first disk"/
[07:49] <shaffy> ubotu: thanks.  i will do that right now.
[07:49] <shaffy> Dr_Willis: you mean, input "start installinght" ?
[07:49] <stdin> xp_killer: then you should be able to access it, use konsole anyway as you need to work as root
[07:49] <ScorpKing> how can i find out which package has the smbmount command?
[07:50] <Parkerw207> ermm , i aint sure , its just what comes up straight away when you put the live cd in
[07:50] <xp_killer> stdin: sudo -i?
[07:50] <stdin> yep
[07:51] <ScorpKing> !info smbmount
[07:51] <ubotu> Package smbmount does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:51] <Parkerw207> maybe i should just switch over to the inbuilt graphics on my motherboard for the tme being
[07:51] <shaffy> Dr_Willis: nevermind.  i'm an idiot.
[07:51] <Parkerw207> if only i could remember how :P
[07:51] <ScorpKing> :(
[07:51] <eder> pag, at last
[07:52] <Parkerw207> does anyone know how to do that lol?
[07:52] <pag> eder, you got it working? :)
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> Parkerw207 remove the other card? or disable it in bios..
[07:53] <Parkerw207> yeah i am in the bios
[07:53] <Dr_Willis> or try editng the xorg.conf file .
[07:54] <drewcipher_> ScorpKing:  not sure this is what you're after:     dpkg -l  | grep -i smbclient
[07:54] <Parkerw207> it says defualt display adapter is set to PCI-E , but doesnt say anything about onboardgraphics
[07:54] <Parkerw207> only other option is PCI
[07:54] <shaffy> stdin: thanks for the info.  hopefully the compile will work now.
[07:54] <ScorpKing> drewcipher_: yeah, i found it in smbfs. thanks anyway
[07:54] <stdin> shaffy: what are you compiling ?
[10:07] (Haplo/#kubuntu) then go to homepage.
[10:07] (spiroo/#kubuntu) thanks
[10:07] (Haplo/#kubuntu) im still working on it tyhough.
[10:08] <uga> arash: I don't know what the media control applet is, either ;)
[10:08] <bigleon> whats going on fglrx??
[10:08] <uga> possibly some alsa control applet
[10:09] <arash> uga: oh and btw, I also only can have 1 app playing sound at once normally, can this be related somehow?
[10:10] <bigleon> hmm i have multi app's playing i'm not sure what ur prob is arash,  your using fiesty aren't you?
[10:11] <arash> bigleon:  yes , feisty is the 7.04 right?
[10:11] <bigleon> yup
[10:11] <arash> bigleon:  yea
[10:11] <bigleon> i'd go through and try and get away from generic drivers and find hardware specific drivers for your system
[10:11] <uga> arash: that's due to using alsa directly
[10:12] <uga> rather than an interface like arts or similar
[10:12] <xp_killer> nadrosima: yes?
[10:12] <jon_> can someone help me out with ndiswrapper?
[10:12] <arash> uga:  uhu ,  what should I do then ?
[10:12] <uga> arash: some applications just dont' allow other than using alsa, or oss directly. Some others like amarok allow selecting what audio interface you want to use in the settings
[10:13] <uga> uh... I believe alsa could be patched to allow multiple acces, but not sure if ubuntu patches it that way
[10:13] <xp_killer> !ndiswrapper
[10:13] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:13] <xp_killer> jon_: ^^
[10:13] <hydrogen> arash: the problem with playback
[10:13] <hydrogen> is that kubuntu uses arts
[10:14] <hydrogen> which is a horribly bitrotted piece of code that doesn't play nice with any of the modern features alsa has added
[10:14] <arash> hydrogen: eh? what's playback?
[10:14] <hydrogen> or anything audiolike
[10:14] <hydrogen> so all apps have to output through arts
[10:14] <hydrogen> in order to play many at the same time
[10:15] <munki> Good evening
[10:15] <hydrogen> if kubuntu was really practical they would ditch arts and use dmix
[10:15] <arash> hydrogen: hmm, I remember Kaffeine couldnt start up while Amarok is running :-/
[10:15] <uga> hydrogen: heh, and then apps would need to support dmix? =)
[10:15] <hydrogen> uga: no
[10:15] <hydrogen> uga: dmix is a transparent sound mixer on the alsa level
[10:15] <uga> oh, so it's a generic alsa interface?
[10:15] <arash> hydrogen: eh, doens't the guys make Kubuntu be really pro :) ?
[10:15] <uga> ahk
[10:15] <uga> hydrogen: can't arts run over dmix?
[10:15] <arash> hydrogen:  can I install it (easily :p)?
[10:16] <hydrogen> arash: I'm sure there is some reason why they are still using arts
[10:16] <hydrogen> but no clue why
[10:16] <hydrogen> and I havn't investigated enough on how to remove it
[10:16] <nadrosima> open with as *always open with xxx
[10:16] <uga> hydrogen: if it's so generic, arts should be able to use dmix
[10:16] <uga> and then kde apps would run throuhg arts and the rest directly through dmix
[10:16] <hydrogen> uga: I think arts is written in such a way that it just hogs all of the sound output
[10:17] <uga> uhm? strange
[10:17] <hydrogen> all I know is that arts is not a good thing
[10:17] <BluesKaj> there are too many cooks in the sound system in alsa
[10:17] <uga> hydrogen: well, the problem isn't exactly that it's not a good thing. It's a thing that was good a while ago and nobody has been able to maintain it for ages ;)
[10:17] <uga> so it's being replaced
[10:17] <hydrogen> right
[10:17] <hydrogen> its no longer a good thing
[10:17] <hydrogen> and hasn't been for at least two years
[10:17] <hydrogen> probably more
[10:18] <hydrogen> I forget when dmix became availible
[10:18] <uga> hydrogen: nobody has been able to put their hands on it
[10:18] <uga> lack of documentation, I believe
[10:18] <hydrogen> right
[10:18] <hydrogen> and its just archaic
[10:18] <hydrogen> phonon is much much nicer
[10:18] <arash> I tried do some strnage things in arts, I reboot to see what happens :p
[10:19] <BluesKaj> I don't understand why kmix and alsa are separate apps , they should be integrated ...it's really quite confusing
[10:19] <uga> hydrogen: heh, I hope so. So far I've not been able to play anything through it ;)
[10:19] <arash> BluesKaj , eh you probably know much more than I, but arnt it obvious one is Gnome another KDE?
[10:19] <xp_killer> spiroo: u are using kopete for msn right?do u know how to save your friend smiley?
[10:20] <hydrogen> arash: no
[10:20] <nadrosima> hey xp_killer can u give me  any answer ?
[10:20] <hydrogen> alsa isn't knome
[10:20] <hydrogen> alsa is kernel-level
[10:20] <Doctor_Nick> i hate oss soooooo much
[10:20] <arash> hydrogen: omg you said the k-word
[10:21] <hydrogen> Doctor_Nick: you better clarify that :)
[10:21] <Doctor_Nick> open source soundsystem
[10:21] <arash> ROFL
[10:21] <Doctor_Nick> or whatever
[10:21] <Doctor_Nick> too many acronyms to remember
[10:21] <xp_killer> nadrosima: i'm a newbie im not a pro.what was the question i didnt understand it
[10:21] <Doctor_Nick> hey guys lets make this totally obnoxious for people with sound cards that only support software mixing
[10:22] <hydrogen> which is why oss has been obsolete since 2.6.8 or so
[10:23] <Doctor_Nick> hydrogen: tell that to people who port windows apps to linux
[10:27] <arash> Still not working :( :( :( (not that I expected too :p )
[10:28] <dhq> i have a mouse problem everything works well only its appearance is bad i mean i can see 3 mouse cursors together
[10:29] <arash> dhq , isn't that something you have choosen to be?
[10:29] <BluesKaj> arash, I've been on kubuntu for 18mos , never like dgnome and never really used it so i wouldn't know whether it was obvious or not that alsa is a gnome app
[10:29] <lnx_> when i click on console for example near the mouse pointer  i get mini console icon same to all programs not just console , how i can cancel it ?
[10:29] <arash> BluesKaj: eh ok :),whatever
[10:30] <BluesKaj> yeah whatever
[10:30] <dhq> arash,well i choose a glass mouse but it looks so shabby and all i tried it with all mouse cursors all seem the same
[10:30] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: why does it matter if its a gnome app
[10:30] <lanboy> hi
[10:30] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: that makes no difference
[10:30] <lanboy> can someone help me
[10:30] <coreymon77> !hi
[10:30] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:30] <coreymon77> !ask | lanboy
[10:30] <ubotu> lanboy: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:30] <lanboy> ok cool
[10:31] <lanboy> i'm trying to load real player into firefox
[10:31] <lanboy> but i need to do a manual install
[10:31] <lanboy> cant figure it out :/
[10:31] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: do u know what this mean "can u know  how make a alert window on Xp os"
[10:31] <xp_killer> with linux?
[10:32] <BluesKaj> it dpesn't matter to me coreymon77 , i made a comment about the confusion created having 2 & 3 different audio applications controlling a sound card in one distro
[10:32] <kirk> quick question: when setting a DiskLabel with GParted, which labeltype should i go with if im only using the hard drive as extra storage?
[10:32] <arash> lnx_ you can change that... check out settings-center (I don tknow english name :p), click mouse and choose a different theme
[10:33] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: oh
[10:33] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, I don't understand ...alert window ?
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> xp_killer they refering to that samba message box feature perhaps?
[10:33] <Dr_Willis> winpopup or whatever its called
[10:34] <xp_killer> nadrosima: nadrosima keep asking me that question in pv and i dont understand i told him im  a newbie
[10:34] <lanboy> can anyone help me get realplayer content working in firefox?
[10:34] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: the he told me " on same  network  2 pc linux and xp -and write xp display '' please say me a cafee'' PP"
[10:34] <coreymon77> inst there a plugin?
[10:34] <kirk> quick question: when setting a DiskLabel with GParted, which labeltype should i go with if im only using the hard drive as extra storage?
[10:35] <lanboy> not an auto install plugin
[10:35] <lanboy> says i gotta do it manually
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> a Disk label is just its name.. i thought
[10:35] <lanboy> i got a binary file from real
[10:35] <arash> lanboy, im not certain at all, but can you try install mplayer, It pops up and shows some videos for me sometimes (in firefox
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall ever hearing of a 'labeltype'
[10:35] <Dr_Willis> !realplayer
[10:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> I dont find many realplayer files these days on the web.
[10:36] <Doctor_Nick> i wrote down all the stuff that automatix installs for media codecs, hold on
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> but i DO belive ive used the player plugin to play them befor.
[10:36] <coreymon77> Doctor_Nick: dot use automatix
[10:36] <coreymon77> Doctor_Nick: dont*
[10:36] <Doctor_Nick> i dont
[10:36] <Doctor_Nick> i just install all the packages they install
[10:36] <coreymon77> Doctor_Nick: oh
[10:36] <Dr_Willis> he haxxors automatix. :)
[10:36] <coreymon77> Doctor_Nick: okay then
[10:37] <cps1966> ! seamonkey
[10:37] <lanboy> ok i'm trying mplayer
[10:37] <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011
[10:37] <kirk> labeltype options are: msdos, amiga, bsd, mac, bdh, pc98, loop, sun, s390, gpt
[10:38] <arash> lanboy : are you new to linux :p ?
[10:38] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, try installing ntfs-3g and ntfs-config to read/write to the windows partition ...if that's what you want to do
[10:38] <Dr_Willis> kirk somthing ive never seen used  befor i ghuess. :) dont set any
[10:39] <arash> BluesKaj , he is watching cartoons :p!
[10:39] <Doctor_Nick> http://pastebin.com/m6f78d088
[10:39] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: not me it's nadrosima
[10:39] <kirk> by default it select msdos
[10:39] <Doctor_Nick> all of those are from the official repositories or the medibuntu repositories
[10:39] <kirk> !labeltype
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about labeltype - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <Dr_Willis> kirk ive only set teh lable for ext3/2 partitions with the tune2fs tool.
[10:39] <Doctor_Nick> except for the divx package
[10:39] <kirk> !disklabel
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about disklabel - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:40] <kirk> it says
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> i cant recall ever needing that option or messing with it in gparted. :)
[10:40] <arash> kirk, same for me (same as dr_willis)
[10:40] <BluesKaj> well, perhaps xp_killer you could express yoirself better if asked for advice in your native tongue in the channel that speaks your language
[10:40] <Dr_Willis> Disk label' is another word for 'partition table'. A partition table's main purpose is recording the location of partitions on a disk and boot-time management.
[10:40] <kirk> A disklabel is a piece of data stored at a well known place on the disk, tha indicatetes where each partition begins and how many sectors it occupies. You need a disklabel if you want to create partitions on this disk.
[10:41] <kirk> By default GParted creates an msdos disklabel.
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> http://www.gnu.org/software/parted/faq.shtml
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> What is a disk label?
[10:41] <Dr_Willis>     'Disk label' is another word for 'partition table'. A partition table's main purpose is recording the location of partitions on a disk and boot-time management.
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> Sounds to me like we got some confusing terms.
[10:42] <kirk> i'll just go with their default
[10:42] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: lol not my luaguage it was him that came in my pv and start speekin like that i didnt understand nothing
[10:42] <coreymon77> kirk: what do you want to know
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> thats not the same label as a filesystem label then. :)
[10:43] <kirk> i just completely formatted a secondary hard drive
[10:43] <kirk> trying to get it setup where i can access it
[10:43] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, I still think you'd do better in the french chat
[10:43] <coreymon77> kirk: access it form waht
[10:43] <coreymon77> kirk: only linux
[10:43] <kirk> kubuntu
[10:43] <coreymon77> ?
[10:43] <kirk> yes
[10:43] <coreymon77> kirk: okay then
[10:43] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: lol
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> sounds like they are refering to the  parttion layout info thats right behind the MBR. :)
[10:43] <coreymon77> kirk: qtparted is a little easier to learn imo
[10:44] <mrksbrd> anyone ever attempt to get a USB Scanner to work under Ubuntu???
[10:44] <Dr_Willis> mrksbrd i plugged mine in... and it worked.. :)
[10:44] <coreymon77> kirk: but, all you need to do is format is as anything other than ntfs
[10:44] <mrksbrd> lol....luck \y u
[10:44] <arash> BluesKaj , doesn't those channels have like 1 message pear hour?
[10:44] <coreymon77> kirk: ext2/3 work best
[10:44] <mrksbrd> I couldn't be that fortunate
[10:44] <coreymon77> arash: not necessarily
[10:44] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: IM horible at writen french it's a very hard language
[10:44] <coreymon77> arash: depends the language
[10:44] <BluesKaj> arash, I have no idea
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> this was a HP all in one scaner/printer. I do think i had to install teh  hpoj service.
[10:45] <kirk> hmmm
[10:45] <kirk> its giving me an error saying "It was not possible to make a new partition table."
[10:45] <mrksbrd> in lsusb it shows it, but doesn't go any further than that
[10:45] <Dr_Willis> this is why i use good old normal fdisk. :)
[10:46] <mrksbrd> i read every poss online document and still no luck
[10:46] <xp_killer> kirk: are u trying to mount a hdd?
[10:46] <coreymon77> xp_killer: no, format it
[10:46] <kirk> its already formatted
[10:46] <kirk> Status: available
[10:46] <coreymon77> kirk: what fs?
[10:46] <Dr_Willis> now confused.
[10:46] <xp_killer> kirk: so what u trying to do then?
[10:47] <kirk> just trying to set it up for use..
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> Heh heh.. fdisk (partition) then format, then mount.
[10:47] <mrksbrd> i hate to use ndiswrapper, won't even guarentee it to work!!
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> the parted tools dont do the mounting part.
[10:47] <rrbiz> someone know of a way to squeeze webpages to fit in smaller konqueror views?
[10:47] <kirk> Status: empty
[10:47] <rrbiz> the way opera does so nicely
[10:47] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: why use ndis
[10:47] <kirk> Label: table
[10:47] <nadrosima> omg my desktop black i m forget work on beryl ehehe
[10:47] <Dr_Willis> rrbiz i noticed that on my  WII :)
[10:47] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: what card do you have
[10:47] <mrksbrd> i don't want to, but if that is my last resort...........
[10:48] <mrksbrd> usb scanner
[10:48] <rrbiz> Dr_Willis: opera on ur WII?
[10:48] <Doctor_Nick> is compiz fusion even out yet
[10:48] <kirk> i formatted it already killer
[10:48] <coreymon77> Dr_Willis: oh, ndis is not any good for that
[10:48] <coreymon77> isnt ndis only for network/wifi drivers
[10:48] <coreymon77> or am i mistaken
[10:49] <coreymon77> Dr_Willis: whoops, wrong person
[10:49] <mrksbrd> corey i got my wifi to work again....have another thing i'm trying to get to work now!!
[10:49] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: what card
[10:49] <kirk> do i have to mount the hard drive before creating a new partition?
[10:49] <coreymon77> Dr_Willis: do you have irc on your wii
[10:49] <mrksbrd> I'm trying to get my canoscan USB Scanner to work now
[10:49] <coreymon77> kirk: no, create the partition first
[10:49] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: scanner?
[10:49] <kirk> hmmm
[10:50] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: isnt that a printer function
[10:50] <mrksbrd> yes corey
[10:50] <coreymon77> ?
[10:50] <mrksbrd> dunno is it????????
[10:50] <kirk> its giving me an error saying "It was not possible to make a new partition table."
[10:50] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: ya, a scanner is something that takes physical pictures and puts them on your comuter
[10:50] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: it does the opposite of what a printer does
[10:51] <mrksbrd> ok then do i try to set it up as a printer then?????????
[10:51] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: i dont know
[10:51] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: can you give me the manufacturers website
[10:51] <mrksbrd> lol....thats my problem....dunno!!!!!
[10:51] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: just to make sure that its the same type of scanner that im thinking of
[10:51] <mrksbrd> cannon.com
[10:52] <hydrogen> use xsane
[10:52] <mrksbrd> flatbed scanner to scan documents into computer
[10:52] <hydrogen> for scanning
[10:52] <hydrogen> or kooka
[10:52] <hydrogen> kooka is a bit less mature
[10:52] <hydrogen> but more kde
[10:52] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: ya
[10:52] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: thats a scanner
[10:52] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: set it up like a printer
[10:52] <mrksbrd> hydro, will those progs recognize my scanner or is there additional setup needed??
[10:53] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: thats not wireless
[10:53] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: plug the scanner in
[10:53] <coreymon77> and set it u like a printer
[10:53] <coreymon77> go into system settings
[10:54] <hydrogen> err
[10:54] <coreymon77> and go to the printers/faxes/scanners menu
[10:54] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: and then set it up like you would a printer
[10:54] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: but choose scanner instead of printer
[10:55] <kirk> the problem is that it's not letting me create a partition
[10:55] <coreymon77> kirk: try using qtparted
[10:56] <kirk> i tried that and gparted both
[10:56] <mrksbrd> corey.... that doesn't make any sense to me......scanners & printers are 2 different things
[10:57] <kirk> partition: unallocated   filesystem: unallocated
[10:58] <mrksbrd> i thought Kubuntu had a feature built into the kmenu just for scanners, but cannot find it!!
[10:59] <xp_killer> mrksbrd: scanner
[10:59] <xp_killer> ???
[10:59] <xp_killer> mrksbrd: to scan what?
[10:59] <mrksbrd> paper documents into puter
[10:59] <hydrogen> install xsane
[10:59] <hydrogen> and run it
[10:59] <hydrogen> it might even autodetect for you
[10:59] <hydrogen> I think it needs to run as r00t though
[10:59] <mrksbrd> hydro....me???
[11:00] <hydrogen> no
[11:01] <aJaxs> has anyone had any problems starting kdm with the new xorg 7.0.3 ?
[11:02] <kirk> arggg this doesnt make sense
[11:02] <kirk> whats a reason that it wouldnt let me create a new partition
[11:03] <aJaxs> kirk, whats the error
[11:04] <kirk> its giving me an error saying "It was not possible to make a new partition table."
[11:04] <kirk> also a similiar error with gparted saying it cant create a new partition
[11:05] <aJaxs> kirk, primary or logical ? also are you trying to partition on your primary or secondary ide ?
[11:05] <kirk> secondary
[11:05] <Doctor_Nick> :E
[11:06] <Doctor_Nick> "root"
[11:06] <kirk> i dont know what primary or logical means
[11:06] <kirk> im running kubuntu, and wanting to add this internal hd for storage
[11:07] <aJaxs> if your planning on using < 4 Partitions dw bout it. fdisk /dev/hdb should let you formatt it
[11:07] <kirk> i formatted it with qtparted
[11:08] <aJaxs> so it worked...or still same error ?
[11:08] <kirk> i just want 1 partition, using the entire disk as storage
[11:08] <kirk> Unable to open /dev/hdb
[11:09] <aJaxs> your not using a Sata drive ? right
[11:09] <beryl-helper> sata
[11:10] <kirk> i believe it is
[11:10] <aJaxs> ohk then the drive you want to format is /dev/sda1 i believe
[11:11] <coreymon77> mrksbrd: any luck?
[11:11] <kirk> its already been formatted...
[11:11] <kirk> its completely blank
[11:11] <kirk> and no partitions
[11:11] <kirk> but isnt letting me create a partition
[11:12] <kirk> kirk@kubuntu:~$ mount /dev/hdb
[11:12] <kirk> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb,
[11:12] <kirk>        missing codepage or other error
[11:12] <kirk>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:12] <kirk>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:13] <hydrogen> err
[11:13] <hydrogen> thats not how you create a partition
[11:13] <kirk> im brand new to linux and kubuntu btw
[11:13] <kirk> i know.. ive tried to create the partitions with gparted and qtparted and get errors
[11:13] <mrksbrd> corey....nope!!!
[11:14] <aJaxs> lol. i havent used gparted or qtparted so i can help you. but run fdisk "/dev/sda1" as root
[11:14] <aJaxs> cant*
[11:15] <mrksbrd> kirk, keep an eye out for genii in the room he is a genius w/that kinda stuff!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[11:15] <nadrosima> go use fdisk and defined ur sector  data manualy
[11:15] <kirk> Unable to open /dev/sda1
[11:16] <nadrosima> first moun them
[11:16] <kirk> it isnt letting me mount
[11:16] <uga> kirk: you need permissions to do so... try sudo
[11:16] <nadrosima> this is ntfs system
[11:16] <nadrosima> cant acces with linux
[11:16] <uga> uh?
[11:16] <uga> you can
[11:16] <deviance> stdin is usualy pretty good too
[11:17] <kirk> kirk@kubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/hdb
[11:17] <kirk> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb,
[11:17] <kirk>        missing codepage or other error
[11:17] <kirk>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:17] <kirk>        dmesg | tail  or so
[11:17] <uga> nadrosima: later ntfs access should work flawlessly, at least in read mode
[11:17] <mrksbrd> !paste
[11:17] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[11:17] <kirk> wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock       ????????
[11:17] <coreymon77> nadrosima: ntfs is a pain in the neck with linux
[11:17] <coreymon77> kirk: that means that the drive is messed up
[11:18] <nadrosima> u have dektop ?
[11:18] <jmdc> I'm having trouble with ssh. foo can do ssh localhost. bar can do ping foo. But bar cannot ssh foo.
[11:18] <uga> kirk: -t ntfs?
[11:18] <coreymon77> kirk: something went wrong during the formatting
[11:18] <nadrosima> on linux ?
[11:18] <mrksbrd> kirk, is this an internal or external usb HDD??
[11:18] <kirk> internal
[11:18] <coreymon77> nadrosima: yes
[11:18] <puppetmaster> please someone help me
[11:18] <aJaxs> kirk, you cant mount a hdd without creating a partition . use fdisk on /dev/hdb if thats your hdd
[11:18] <uga> kirk: try "mount -t ntfs /dev/sda /mnt/yourmountpoint
[11:18] <uga> "
[11:18] <puppetmaster> I have 945g intel integrated graphic card
[11:18] <nadrosima> system setting / advanced /files and drive system
[11:18] <coreymon77> kirk: did you format it as ntfs?
[11:19] <nadrosima> login as root
[11:19] <luis_lopez> jmdc, are you running a firewall on foo? try ssh -vvv foo
[11:19] <nadrosima> right clik drive
[11:19] <puppetmaster> and it won't play video with colours
[11:19] <puppetmaster> the picture of the video is not clear
[11:19] <coreymon77> kirk: cause that would explain the problems you are having
[11:20] <kirk> as ext3
[11:20] <puppetmaster> it's pixels appear and i can't see the vedio ol
[11:20] <nadrosima> id mode and ntfs file system user ur not root
[11:20] <coreymon77> kirk: you sure?
[11:20] <puppetmaster> Anyone?
[11:20] <nadrosima> *****************simple1001
[11:20] <coreymon77> !patience | puppetmaster
[11:20] <ubotu> puppetmaster: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[11:20] <kirk> yes
[11:20] <stdin> kirk: you need to put the number after hdb, ie: "hdb1" not "hdb"
[11:20] <coreymon77> nadrosima: who are you talking to
[11:20] <kirk> there is no number..
[11:20] <puppetmaster> sorry i'm waiting
[11:20] <nadrosima> mount with desktop
[11:20] <nadrosima> who ask me
[11:21] <puppetmaster> me
[11:21] <coreymon77> nadrosima: nobody is talking about ntfs here
[11:21] <coreymon77> as far as i know
[11:21] <aJaxs> kirk, then you havent created a partition. once you do it should be something like hdb1 then you can mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1
[11:22] <jmdc> luis_lopez: no, I'm not running a firewall, and extra verbose doesn't show much of anything. I just get to "connection to foo..." and then nothing
[11:22] <uga> coreymon77: now I'm pretty confused, because I see quite a few comments on ntfs. Can I know what the exact problem is, in a one liner? =) can I help? ;)
[11:22] <kirk> it wont let me create a partition, thats the problem
[11:22] <lnx_> when i click on console for example near the mouse pointer  i get mini console icon same to all programs not just console , how i can cancel it ?
[11:22] <coreymon77> nadrosima: the problem is not with ntfs
[11:22] <aJaxs> kirk, then your either not root or specify the wrong drive
[11:23] <coreymon77> nadrosima: i just made a comment that ntfs is a pain in the neck to use in linux and to not bother
[11:23] <uga> aJaxs: given the error, the drive exists though
[11:24] <kirk> hmm so i need to login as root to create a partition
[11:24] <jmdc> luis_lopez: I feel sheepish; I forgot about a firewall between the two hosts. Thanks
[11:24] <coreymon77> uga: kirk is having problems making a partition on his drive
[11:24] <aJaxs> kirk, yes
[11:24] <stdin> lnx_: system settings > keyboard & mouse > mouse, the "Visual feedback on activation" box
[11:24] <coreymon77> kirk: sudo works fine
[11:24] <uga> oh, on /dev/sda?
[11:24] <puppetmaster> ?
[11:24] <coreymon77> kirk: no need to actually log in as root
[11:24] <cje> hi, is anyone here familiar with using grep to search files in subdirectories?
[11:24] <luis_lopez> jmdc, np
[11:24] <kirk> on   /dev/hdb
[11:25] <kirk> im not very savvy with the commands corey
[11:25] <aJaxs> kirk, whats your output to sudo fdisk /dev/hdb ?
[11:25] <kirk> ive been on windows my entire life, just installed kubuntu 2 days ago
[11:25] <coreymon77> !sudo | kirk
[11:25] <ubotu> kirk: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[11:25] <cje> I am trying to grep a string buried somewhere down the tree in a file in a subdir, not sure which subdir.
[11:25] <uga> kirk: either you need to become root, "sudo su", or change permissions to the /dev/hdb file. Check current ones with "ls -l /dev/hdb"
[11:25] <kirk> Unable to read /dev/hdb
[11:26] <coreymon77> kirk: in order to do many things in linux, such as modify system setting, make system wide installations, do any formatting work or anything else system wide in linux, you need to be root
[11:26] <kirk> brw-rw---- 1 root disk 3, 64 2007-09-14 13:57 /dev/hdb
[11:26] <coreymon77> kirk: the way to do that is to use the sudo command in terminal
[11:26] <DarkFeeling> hello do you know which is the kubuntu satanic editon official chan?
[11:26] <uga> kirk: okay, if your user isn't in disk group, then you have no permissions to do that
[11:27] <uga> kirk: if you want to give yourself permissions to do so, change it by "chmod o+rw /dev/hdb"
[11:27] <uga> with sudo
[11:27] <kirk> so... sudo chmod o+rw /dev/hdb   ?
[11:27] <aJaxs> uga, he shouldnt do that
[11:27] <uga> or else, loging in as root should do and use parted, kparted...
[11:27] <coreymon77> kirk: root is like administrator
[11:27] <uga> aJaxs: temporarily...
[11:27] <nadrosima> but what user
[11:28] <coreymon77> aJaxs: its better to use sudo
[11:28] <mrksbrd> stdin, have u ever attempted to get a flatbed scanner to work under Kubuntu???????
[11:28] <luis_lopez> cje, question: the string is on the file name or inside the file?
[11:28] <aJaxs> Yep
[11:28] <uga> kirk: that will give you permissions to work on that disk, but you should rever that change
[11:28] <nadrosima> are u suer cant use this folder
[11:28] <nadrosima> onlyy root
[11:28] <uga> kirk: do so only temporarily though, if you want. That's a security problem otherwise
[11:28] <nadrosima> not another user or aplications
[11:28] <cje> luis_lopez, thanks for asking.  The string is in the file, not the name.
[11:28] <uga> kirk: chmod o-rw /dev/hdb will remove permissions again
[11:29] <coreymon77> kirk: in order to do system wide stuff in linux, you have to be root, prefacing any command with "sudo" will do that command with root privileges
[11:29] <kirk> ok so i would do.... sudo chmod o+rw /dev/hdb   first then   afterwards change it back
[11:29] <stdin> mrksbrd: attempted yes, but never got it to work. tried https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ScanningHowTo
[11:29] <coreymon77> kirk: however, you should only use sudo for things that need it
[11:29] <kirk> hmm  ok
[11:30] <uga> kirk: yes, that should do. Else it's more simple to usually become root
[11:30] <gost87> *saluda a todos
[11:30] <coreymon77> kirk: otherwise, dont, because root is dangerous, root can do anything, and unlike windows, if you tell linux to do something that will mess up your system, it will do it
[11:30] <mrksbrd> stdin, my attempt as well, Kubuntu shows it under lsusb, but thats about it
[11:31] <kirk> ok i did - sudo chmod o+rw /dev/hdb
[11:31] <uga> coreymon77: you mean the admin on windows isn't allowed to mess up with things? =) gimme remote control over your box, and I'll show you ;P
[11:31] <kirk> didnt get any output
[11:31] <uga> kirk: ls -l /dev/hdb will show your new permissions
[11:31] <coreymon77> uga: sure it can
[11:31] <coreymon77> uga: but its not like root
[11:32] <kirk> brw-rw-rw- 1 root disk 3, 64 2007-09-14 13:57 /dev/hdb
[11:32] <coreymon77> uga: windows is good at stoppping you from deleting your entire system/messing up things
[11:32] <coreymon77> uga: not saying you cant do it
[11:32] <uga> kirk: yes, now you have permissions to run partition editors on it, without a problem
[11:32] <coreymon77> uga: but its harder
[11:32] <uga> kirk: what were you using. Parted? qtparted?
[11:32] <kirk> ok and when im done, do - sudo chmod o-rw /dev/hdb   ?
[11:33] <uga> yes
[11:33] <kirk> qtparted
[11:33] <coreymon77> kirk: running qtparted as root would allow you to do things
[11:33] <DarkFeeling> im trying to change my usplash so when i installed the satanic editon i typed this: sudo update-alternatives --set usplash-artwork.so /usr/lib/usplash/satanic-flames.so and then sudo update-initramfs -u but the blue bar doesnt show. what can i do? (when using othe usplashes the blue bar appears and works well)
[11:33] <uga> kirk: watch out with qtparted if you want to resize partitions. I had a real bad experience with it in the past, resizing
[11:33] <luis_lopez> cje, grep -R maybe?
[11:33] <uga> but maybe it was a parted problem (qtparted is just a frontend)
[11:33] <uga> kirk: I mean, resizing partitions that contain data
[11:33] <cje> luis_lopez, thanks, I did try that.
[11:34] <nadrosima> yep i know same -R
[11:34] <cje> luis_lopez, I tried grep -ir stringsearch /home/mydir/ with no joy.
[11:34] <mrksbrd> talk to ya guyz l8tr
[11:35] <kirk> Im still getting the same error message.
[11:35] <kirk> Still isnt letting me create a new partition
[11:35] <coreymon77> kirk: its probably a formatting problem
[11:35] <coreymon77> reformat the drive
[11:35] <luis_lopez> cje, actually, should be grep -iR
[11:35] <luis_lopez> cje, sorry you're right
[11:36] <kirk>  fdisk /dev/hdb ?
[11:36] <uga> coreymon77: either that, or /dev/hdb isn't a real partition?
[11:36] <kirk> there are no partitions
[11:36] <uga> what was that hal interface that listed all (real) devices
[11:36] <uga> kirk: disks, I should have said
[11:36] <coreymon77> uga: possibly, but wouldnt reformatting take care of that
[11:36] <coreymon77> uga: we should try that first
[11:37] <coreymon77> uga: especially since there is not data on the drive
[11:37] <slackern> Are there any ktorrent 2.2.2 ubuntu packages out there?
[11:37] <uga> coreymon77: yes, I mean... are you sure /dev/hdb is the device?
[11:37] <coreymon77> i dunno
[11:37] <kirk> how do i reformat? fdisk /dev/hdb ?
[11:37] <coreymon77> uga: ask him
[11:37] <uga> that's what I meant. If he's not allowed to create partitions, maybe it's not the device =)
[11:37] <kirk> yes it is
[11:37] <uga> sure? okay then
[11:37] <uga> you could format it safely
[11:38] <uga> kirk: sudo mkfs.ext2 /dev/hdb
[11:38] <kirk> Device: /dev/hdb
[11:38] <kirk> writing inode table
[11:39] <kirk> uga, u are u from georgia?
[11:39] <uga> no, spaniard
[11:39] <uga> not related to that ugly dog from georgia university ;)
[11:39] <kirk> lol... i am
[11:39] <coreymon77> kirk: okay, i got to go now
[11:39] <kirk> thanks corey!
[11:39] <coreymon77> kirk: so ugas gonna take over
[11:40] <coreymon77> kirk: hope you solve your problem
[11:40] <coreymon77> !
[11:40] <kirk> u guys are awesome
[11:40] <uga> heh, I hope I'll be able to help =)
[11:40] <coreymon77> :D
[11:40] <kirk> ill be here on the regular
[11:40] <uga> otherwise there's other 412 people around. Somebody sure knows ;P
[11:40] <kirk> i'm f'in stoked over my new linux discovery
[11:41] <coreymon77> kirk: we'll let that slide, but watch the language from now on, okay?
[11:41] <uga> kirk: so partitioning went fine?
[11:41] <kirk> yes thats over
[11:41] <lnx_> how i can view in konquere preview ( small pictures ) of avi movies ?
[11:41] <kirk> ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while                                      creating root dir
[11:42] <uga> kirk: uhm... I don't know about that message, but I don't see it as an error per se
[11:43] <nadrosima> need to write  /etc/fstab  file
[11:43] <nadrosima> u cant acces it
[11:43] <kirk> i have a few warning messages saying cant read block 0
[11:43] <nadrosima> good night
[11:43] <uga> uhm...
[11:43] <kirk> Warning: could not read block 0: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read
[11:43] <uga> kirk: that's during mkfs?
[11:43] <kirk> yes
[11:44] <uga> ugh
[11:44] <kirk> lol oh no, not "ugh"
[11:44] <uga> it looks like it's having trouble to acess the device
[11:45] <kirk> still says it cant create a new partition
[11:45] <cje> hi, are there any grep users here?  I have a question about using grep to search the contents of a file.
[11:46] <uga> kirk: uhm... does "sudo less -f /dev/hdb" show anything?
[11:46] <aJaxs> !ask | cje
[11:46] <ubotu> cje: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:47] <uga> kirk: it should read the disk
[11:47] <BluesKaj> cje , I just use, grep | suspectedfilename or keyword  :)
[11:48] <kirk> i have no clue wtf is wrong
[11:48] <cje> I would like to use grep to search the contents of a file using grep.  So far, the command grep searchstring -ir /home/mydir/subdir has proven not to work.
[11:48] <uga> kirk: I'm trying to figure out what's going on. less -f should show you the contents of the disk. Some weird text
[11:48] <uga> if it doesn't, then /dev/hdb isn't a real block device
[11:49] <uga> (ie, not the device we are looking for )
[11:49] <cje> BluesKaj, hmm, that is a bit confusing.  I am familiar with the pipe | and I do use it successfully on occasion, but I'm not sure what the command would be that you are suggesting.
[11:49] <BluesKaj> cje what's the file do , is it an executable
[11:49] <cje> BluesKaj, no, it is a BASH script written with a simple text editor.
[11:50] <BluesKaj> whynot just do a simple locate in konq ?
[11:51] <cje> BluesKaj, I am just know finding out that Konq has that function.  Please hold, I am attempting it now.  Thakns.
[11:51] <cje> thanks
[11:52] <lnx_> how i can view in konquere preview ( small pictures ) of avi movies ?
[11:52] <uga> kirk_: are you alive?
[11:53] <kirk_> still here
[11:53] <Xn1> I'm trying to get ssh to solaris xterm to recognize the backspace and not ^h for deleting. tset doesnt seem to work...can anyone help me get my solaris remote sessions to work with backspace when sshing in from kubuntu?
[11:53] <uga> kirk_: [23:48]  <uga> kirk: I'm trying to figure out what's going on. less -f should show you the contents of the disk. Some weird text.  If it doesn't, then /dev/hdb isn't a real block device
[11:53] <BluesKaj> lnx ,install w32codecs
[11:53] <uga> kirk_: not sure if you tried that one
[11:53] <kirk_> it says
[11:54] <uga> no medium found?
[11:54] <kirk_> Device: /dev/hdb
[11:54] <uga> kirk_: just that?
[11:54] <uga> that's strange
[11:54] <kirk_> yes
[11:54] <uga> usually, if you try with other disks you'll see it shows disk contents
[11:55] <kirk_> Disk ST3160023A
[11:55] <kirk_> ok ok maybe this will help u help me
[11:55] <cje> BluesKaj, thanks for the help, I'm gonna head out soon.  See ya.  by the way, the project that I am working on is a community-built documentary for Windows users about why FOSS is cool and how FOSS will break the Microsoft monopoly.  The film is called the Digital Tipping Point.
[11:56] <xp_killer> ??? the what in the what?
[11:56] <uga> kirk_: no, it only tells me it's a seagate disk ;)
[11:56] <kirk_> On Disk & Filesystems / System Setting, Admin Mode /
[11:56] <BluesKaj> well cje, good luck with that ... MS is gonna try real hard to crush the FOSS movement
[11:57] <cje> BluesKaj, true.
[11:57] <kirk_> There's the primary with 2 partitions, ext3 and swap, /dev/hda1 and hda5
[11:57] <kirk_> BUT
[11:57] <kirk_> for the other there is no partitions, all it has is the disk
[11:57] <cje> BluesKaj, IMHO, that is why we need a film to make FOSS look fun and sexy to Windows users.
[11:57] <kirk_> under device it's blank
[11:57] <kirk_> blank all the way across
[11:57] <cje> BluesKaj, that is the goal of our film -----> to make FOSS look fun and sexy.
[11:57] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: i install compiz i cant find how to lauch it so i uninstall it
[11:57] <uga> kirk_: yes, I know. But if you partition the whole disk (/dev/hdb) it should somehow work
[11:57] <kirk_> no mount point, type, device
[11:57] <BluesKaj> cje , right on !
[11:58] <uga> kirk_: I mean... format, not partition =)
[11:58] <cje> :-)
[11:58] <kirk_> when i click on it
[11:58] <kirk_> and clickn ew
[11:58] <kirk_> n ew
[11:58] <kirk_> it opens the config kde control module
[11:59] <kirk_> but it doesnt apply what i set
[11:59] <uga> I don't quite trust gui tools for this sort of thing
[11:59] <Dr_willis_> yep.  its always nice to go edit the configs yourself.
[12:00] <Dr_willis_> his partiion should be hdb1   not hdb. :) if its a hard drive.
[12:00] <uga> kirk_: okay, if your "less" doesn't do the work it should... what does "sudo cat /dev/hdb" do?
[12:00] <uga> kirk_: does it read anyhthing?
[12:00] <lnx_> how i can view in konquere preview ( small pictures ) of avi movies ?
[12:00] <kirk_> 1 sec, im formatting again
[12:00] <uga> Dr_willis_: well, it's a non-partitioned drive
[12:00] <uga> isn't hdb1 the primary partition?
[12:01] <Dr_willis_> uga,  ugh. :) why is he doing that?
[12:01] <uga> an dthen 6,7,8 secondary ones
[12:01] <kirk_> yes
[12:01] <uga> Dr_willis_: trying to partition it
[12:01] <uga> doesn't work
[12:01] <uga> we even tried formatting it
[12:01] <Dr_willis_> good old fdisk dosent do it? eh?
[12:01] <uga> he's trying with qtparted. Maybe it's a gui issue
[12:01] <kirk_> i also tried with gparted
[12:01] <Dr_willis_> often it pays to fall back to the basics. :)
[12:02] <uga> Dr_willis_: dare guiding him through fdisk? =)
[12:02] <Dr_willis_> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[12:02] <Dr_willis_> d  to delete partions.. n to make new ones..  w to writwe changes to disk. done. :)
[12:02] <BluesKaj> lnx_, are you trying to watch avi's on the web in konq web browser ?
[12:02] <Dr_willis_> assuming hdb is the right drive
[12:02] <kirk_> Unable to read /dev/hdb
[12:02] <Dr_willis_> kirk,  you did use sudo?
[12:02] <kirk_> yes it is the right drive
[12:02] <kirk_> yes
[12:03] <ScorpKing> cfdisk might be a little more user friendly. :)
[12:03] <uga> Dr_willis_: we changed permissions using chmod even, to go+rw
[12:03] <Dr_willis_> i would say reboot. check the bios,  be sure the mb is seeing the hard drive.  and try again with frisk
[12:03] <Dr_willis_> that way you can be at a clean state.
[12:03] <Dr_willis_> since i dont know what all you have done to the thing.
[12:03] <lnx_> BluesKaj , no , when you browse on your local driver and you have "image priview" that is small picture or text document priview and you see the first 3-4 lines of the text files . ..  same with media
[12:03] <kirk_> it was just working this morning, i had windows on it and i formatted using qtparted from ntfs to ext3
[12:04] <rrbiz> sweet, kradio even allow u to put a logo image of stations
[12:04] <Dr_willis_> 'foramted from ntfs to ext3' -> you converted it? or you mean you deleted the ntfs. and made ext3 ?
[12:04] <Dr_willis_> if 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' isent showing the drive.. well.. thers some issues going on.
[12:04] <kirk_> i dont really know
[12:05] <Dr_willis_> im not even sure you can convert ntfs to ext3 :)
[12:05] <kirk_> right now the partition and filesystem says unallocated
[12:05] <Dr_willis_> ok.. so double check.. 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' shows what?
[12:05] <kirk_> it did nothing
[12:06] <kirk_> asked for pw, then no output
[12:06] <BluesKaj> lnx , you need to install a media player like mplayer and install w32codecs to play avi and wm files
[12:06] <Dr_willis_> kirk_,  eww...  thats.. odd.
[12:06] <uga> Dr_willis_: okay, we are two now, pretty confused ;)
[12:06] <Dr_willis_> I would have to suggest a reboot at this time. to clean stuff up.
[12:06] <lnx_> BluesKaj , i can play them , i just cant view the preview in konq , do you understand what i wnat todo ?
[12:07] <kirk_> ok brb
[12:07] <BluesKaj> oh lnx_ IC what you mean...hmm you cant see the the dialog when you haver the cursor over the thumbnail ?
[12:07] <BluesKaj> hover
[12:08] <lnx_> BluesKaj , yes and even not on the file that im hover on
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Dr_willis , have you encountered this problem? lnx_ cant see the the dialog when he hovers the cursor over a thumbnail in konq ?
[12:10] <Dr_willis_> over a picture thumbnail?
[12:10] <lnx_> Dr_willis_ , yes
[12:10] <BluesKaj> what about icons lnx_ ?
[12:11] <lnx_> BluesKaj , what ?
[12:11] <Dr_willis_> i see a large 'image view/details' on the image. when i mouse over.
[12:12] <uga> Dr_willis_: setttings->behaviour->show file tips and previews thing is enabled?
[12:12] <BluesKaj> lnx_, you have icons in the panel or the desktop, does the dialog popup when you hover the cursor over them ?
[12:12] <Dr_willis_> file tips. and show previews in file tips. both enabled.
[12:13] <uga> Dr_willis_: what format is the file, jpeg? jp2k? png?
[12:13] <lnx_> BluesKaj , in konq not in the dektop top  , yes dialog popup when i hover the icon ( all the movies have an icon with movie type . .. )
[12:13] <uga> or also... what does "file foo.jpg" or so say on the command line?
[12:13] <Dr_willis_> hmm.. mixed images. jpg mainly
[12:13] <uga> uhm...
[12:14] <kirk> ok big change after reboot
[12:14] <kirk> now TWO partitions are showing up
[12:14] <uga> oh, finally? =)
[12:14] <uga> LOL
[12:14] <lnx_> i have enabled previews but there wasnt something like "movies" or "media"
[12:15] <kirk> one /dev/hdb1  type-unknown
[12:15] <Dr_willis_> kirk,  some times - after changing partition's the system MUST be rebooted.  fdisk often gives that warning.. gparted may not. :)
[12:15] <uga> kirk: okay, you could reedit partitions ...
[12:15] <kirk> the other /dev/hdb-1    type "free"
[12:15] <kirk> the unknown type is the one with the 150 gigs i wanna use
[12:16] <Dr_willis_> so fdisk -l /dev/hdb shows 2 partitions?    there should be a hdb1 and hdb2 or some other ##
[12:16] <Dr_willis_> never seen a hdb-1 befor.
[12:16] <uga> Dr_willis_: you must be one of those Windows gods. A linux one doesn't ever think of rebooting ;)
[12:16] <Dr_willis_> uga,  ive seen that message 'warning kernel is still using the old filesystem layout, you must reboot....' on MANY a times when installing linux. :)
[12:16] <Dr_willis_> and using fdisk. :)
[12:16] <lnx_> someone ?
[12:17] <uga> Dr_willis_: hehe
[12:17] <kirk> the hdb-1 size is only 7.84 MB
[12:17] <Dr_willis_> that sounds like somthing windows would do. a 8mb partition
[12:17] <Dr_willis_> you want to use the whole hd as a linux partition?
[12:17] <kirk> only for storage
[12:18] <Dr_willis_> id'd say use fdisk, delete them both. make a new partition, write changes.. reboot. then format the sucker. :)
[12:18] <Dr_willis_> the name 'hdb-1' is VERY weird...
[12:18] <kirk> hahah this whole issue is weird
[12:19] <kirk> ok let me see if im learning...
[12:19] <kirk> i go sudo fdisk /dev/hdb
[12:19] <kirk> ?
[12:19] <Dr_willis_> sudo fdisk /dev/hdb, then d 1, to delete #1, d 1 , to delete it again, s to show.. (should be none) then 'n' for new partition. primary, #1, enter twice to fill in whole hd. :)
[12:26] <kirk> d 1
[12:27] <rrbiz> wonder if there's a way to do this on kde http://blog.prashanthellina.com/2007/08/22/matrix-desktop/
[12:28] <pillowpants> I just closed a game, and now my screen in super small in a scrolling sort of resolution
[12:28] <pillowpants> does anyone know what i should do?
[12:29] <pillowpants> theres a command ive put in the konsole before, but i forgot what it was
[12:29] <rrbiz> log out and back in
[12:29] <pillowpants> yeah, but ive got stuff open that i cant close
[12:30] <ScorpKing> pillowpants: .bash_history contains all the commands that you typed before.
[12:30] <albertmk> How can I access my windows files by kubuntu?
[12:30] <pillowpants> this was a few installs ago, heh
[12:30] <pillowpants> but ill remember that command
[12:31] <pillowpants> albertmk: look in the /mnt or /media directories
[12:32] <pillowpants> mine are in the /media
[12:32] <albertmk> it is not there
[12:32] <pillowpants> and then just click hda1 or what have you, whichever is the partition of your windows
[12:32] <albertmk> I already searched there
[12:32] <pillowpants> even in mnt?
[12:32] <albertmk> yeah..
[12:32] <pillowpants> do a seach for windows
[12:33] <pillowpants> it should be in your storage media folder
[12:33] <pillowpants> when you click the computer icon on the bottom left of the screen
[12:36] <nainnain6> Re coucou
[12:36] <nainnain6> c'est encore moi
[12:36] <nainnain6> arf il n'y a plus personne