[01:20] <igorgue> Hi, all... does anybody knows how to get gnash to work with Firefox
[01:21] <igorgue> the mozilla plugin package don't work :(
[01:22] <igorgue> actually I want to use the flash nonfree plugin but since I use an x86_64 machine and the package linux32 is broken I cannot
[01:24] <igorgue> Anybody?
[01:26] <penguin42> hi
[01:26] <penguin42> igorgue: have you got absolutely the latest ia32-libs package?
[01:27] <igorgue> no, but the problem with linux32 is that it is asking me to remove unix-utils
[01:27] <penguin42> igorgue: They fixed a missing libXcomposite package yesterday
[01:27] <igorgue> (I don't think that's is a good thing to do)
[01:27] <igorgue> let me check
[01:28] <penguin42> igorgue: I don't have the linux32 package installed any more but I seem to have a linux32 binary
[01:29] <penguin42> It seems to be in util-linux
[01:29] <igorgue> penguin42, I have the latest ia32libs packages
[01:29] <igorgue> yeah util-linux
[01:30] <igorgue> the problem is that without linux32 you cant run the nonfree flash plugin
[01:30] <igorgue> since it use nspluginwrapper
[01:30] <penguin42> nspluginwrapper might need the linux32 command but it doesn't need the linux32 package
[01:31] <penguin42> I have nspluginwrapper installed here
[01:31] <igorgue> penguin42, how come?
[01:31] <igorgue> but It don't work
[01:31] <igorgue> do you have an x86_64 machine?
[01:32] <penguin42> yes
[01:32] <igorgue> OMG, it was so easy...
[01:32] <igorgue> jeje thanks
[01:32] <penguin42> huh?
[01:32] <igorgue> now I can see youtube :)
[01:33] <igorgue> I don't know what update asked me for remove the nspluginwrapper
[01:34] <penguin42> igorgue: There have been some changes in the last few days; the linux32 package disappeared and new libraries keep appearing in ia32-libs
[01:35] <igorgue> one more question, penguin42, when you are watching youtube, in order to move the seak button twice you have to click outside the flash video player right?
[01:36] <penguin42> sometimes - there seems to be a long standing problem with nspluginwrapper sometimes losing clicks
[01:36] <igorgue> sometimes?
[01:36] <igorgue> I have that problem everytime
[01:36] <xtknight> i haven't had any trouble with nspluginwrapper vs native flash on 32
[01:36] <xtknight> i know of a window focus problem, seems to be Flash itself (click on flash window and that window is focused, defocusing your browser)
[01:36] <penguin42> are you running compiz?
[01:37] <igorgue> ahh yeah
[01:37] <igorgue> maybe is that
[01:37] <rockets> Wow
[01:37] <penguin42> igorgue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/108733
[01:37] <rockets> Anybody checked out the latest ReactOS build?
[01:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108733 in firefox "flash losing clicks with desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:37] <rockets> its come a long way
[01:37] <xtknight> rockets, eh?  what about it?
[01:37] <xtknight> hopefully some of it will get into wine
[01:37] <penguin42> igorgue: So we've never quite been convinced whether that is compiz related or not but it does look like there is a fix upstream but it mightbe too late
[01:37] <rockets> xtknight, its not useless anymore!
[01:37] <xtknight> lol
[01:37] <tretle> could someone help me with a grub issue?
[01:37] <xtknight> ;)
[01:37] <penguin42> rockets: How not useless?
[01:37] <igorgue> yes it is compiz related
[01:38] <penguin42> Can it play minesweeper yet?
[01:38] <rockets> xtknight, it can play unreal tournament and quake 3
[01:38] <tretle> lol
[01:38] <xtknight> well my "wine" did ut2004 out of the box actually
[01:38] <igorgue> I'm using it without compiz and it works
[01:38] <tretle> can it play warsow yet
[01:38] <penguin42> igorgue: Yeh that's why I reported it like that, but some have said they had it without compiz
[01:38] <rockets> xtknight, yes but this is a full fledged windows clone. im not saying we should all use it as our OS, just that its cool
[01:38] <xtknight> but really, why not ut and q3 native ?
[01:38] <xtknight> ahh yeah
[01:38] <igorgue> wow... compiz need a lot of fixes :(
[01:39] <penguin42> rockets: Which version of Windows does it claim to clone?
[01:39] <tretle> could someone help me with a grub issue?
[01:39] <tretle> please :D
[01:39] <xtknight> igorgue, i agree.  compiz is very buggy for me
[01:40] <igorgue> so penguin42, for the RMS fans... gnash doesn't work at all in firefox(ubuntu) right?
[01:40] <rockets> penguin42, NT 5.1
[01:40] <rockets> penguin42, working on NT 5.2
[01:40] <rockets> 5.2 is vista i think
[01:40] <rockets> penguin42, on top of that it has some semblence of a package manager, unlike window
[01:40] <rockets> windows*
[01:40] <penguin42> gnash?
[01:40] <xtknight> vista=6, svr 2003=5.2
[01:41] <penguin42> rockets: That's interesting - because as I understand it what Wine was emulating was far behind that
[01:41] <xtknight> hmm wonder how blackcomb(7.0) will be
[01:41] <xtknight> er 6.1
[01:41] <rockets> penguin42, it is. :-D
[01:41] <rockets> penguin42, not that wine isnt fantastic
[01:41] <penguin42> well, it isn't
[01:41] <rockets> but wine is basically windows 98 + some specific patches to make new stuff work
[01:41] <xtknight> i want virtualization that can directly access GPU h/w
[01:42] <igorgue> penguin42, gnash the other flash player
[01:42] <penguin42> xtknight: You really don't want things frobbing your GPU direclty
[01:42] <penguin42> igorgue: Oh, I might have tried that once - but I want my flash stuff to work
[01:42] <xtknight> penguin42, well, i do, because i'm crazy, but that doesn't mean people who actually need reliable PCs need it ;)
[01:42] <igorgue> penguin42, the same here :)
[01:43] <penguin42> xtknight: Oh that's OK then
[01:43] <igorgue> penguin42, it just was frustration since the non-free player didn't work for me :D
[01:43] <xtknight> paravirt for amd64 yet ?
[01:44] <FunnyLookinHat> Does anyone know if Gutsy Kubuntu will ship with compiz enabled as well (since Gutsy Ubuntu will be?)
[01:44] <penguin42> igorgue: So I find that sometimes flash stops working and I have to restart firefox; I also sometimes use it in konqueror and that works OK; but sometimes I find it doesn't and I have to do a killall kio_http - I assume this is nswrapper related
[01:45] <igorgue> adobe sucks!!!... why they don't have a 64 bits version of the flash player
[01:45] <igorgue> jeje... the funny of this is that Windows 64bits users can't install it :D
[01:46] <xtknight> true if they use IE64
[01:48] <igorgue> jeje hey gnash didn't work in firefox and with konqueror the youtube player don't work
[01:49] <xtknight> anyone deleted a file and trash icon hasn't updated?
[01:50] <igorgue> xtknight, sometimes that happens with some themes
[01:50] <xtknight> igorgue, hmm i'll check into it.  i thought a "trash full" icon existed, if that's what you mean.  it's sporadic
[01:51] <penguin42> igorgue: It's hard work to bother doing the port and maintain it and keep it tested; it's more of a madness that nspluginwrapper is not the standard way of doing things and that plugins are always 32bit
[01:51] <xtknight> compiling flash for 64bit shouldnt be that difficult, should it?  (doesn't seem to be a low level program)
[01:51] <asla1> penguin42: does nsplugginwrapper work with java ?
[01:52] <penguin42> asla1: No
[01:52] <igorgue> penguin42, I know thats why I like it... because only in ubuntu we have flash in 64bits *almost* out of the box
[01:52] <penguin42> xtknight: If they are lucky and they've been careful everywhere then they won't have any 64bit bugs
[01:52] <asla1> dang, I'm using it for flash, but I had to install firefox32 for java
[01:52] <asla1> and it's just frustrating
[01:52] <penguin42> asla1: Use konqueror for java stuff; it uses an external java binary
[01:52] <penguin42> IMHO the right way
[01:53] <asla1> penguin42: hrmm intersting
[01:53] <asla1> igorgue: what do you mean 64 bit *almost* out of the box ?
[01:53] <asla1> are you talking about nsplugginwrapper too ?
[01:53] <asla1> err.. pluginwrapper
[01:54] <igorgue> asla1, it have some bugs... well as we discussed before it was a compiz problem
[01:54] <igorgue> so... never mind
[01:55] <xtknight> anyone else's trash icon take ~5 secs to pop up?  click it and see how long it takes for nautilus
[01:55] <penguin42> xtknight: Less than a second here
[01:55] <asla1> xtknight: does the same thing happen if you login as another user ?
[01:56] <xtknight> asla1, not sure
[01:56] <igorgue> xtknight, like 1/2 a sec...
[01:56] <penguin42> xtknight: Do you have any USB storage devices plugged in?
[01:56] <xtknight> my trash is also not registering as full
[01:56] <igorgue> xtknight, I have a good machine :P
[01:56] <xtknight> me too
[01:56] <asla1> xtknight: how full is your trash can ?
[01:57] <xtknight> no usb plugged in
[01:57] <asla1> might take a little longer to get the directory listing
[01:57] <xtknight> no usb devices at lest
[01:57] <xtknight> trash has 2 items
[01:57] <asla1> hrmm
[01:57] <xtknight> nautilus trash:///
[01:57] <xtknight> doing this is instananeous for me
[01:57] <xtknight> clicking the Trash icon, is not
[01:59] <SeveredCross> Odd.
[01:59] <xtknight> test with other user acct brb
[02:01] <xtknight> ya doesn't happen on this act
[02:01] <xtknight> acct
[02:01] <xtknight> i believe my old acct was Feisty, but someone upgrading may experience the issues
[02:04] <xtknight> Fast user switching is awesome
[02:04] <jmg> i didnt like it
[04:12] <amr> when i try to share a  folder i get this message 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: usershares are currently disabled . I am usig\ng gusty
[04:15] <SeveredCross> Does /var/lib/samba/usershares/ exist?
[04:15] <SeveredCross> And is it writable by your user?
[04:18] <gib> Is there a problem with encryption in the 64-bit version of Firefox.  I just installed Gutsy 64-bit on my uncle's new system and it doesn't work with his bank.  He has another system running firefox on 32-bit Feisty, and it works fine.
[04:20] <contrast83> Greets, everyone...
[04:20] <contrast83> Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with Checkinstall to work with an APTonCD disc?
[05:15] <amr> dosbox
[05:17] <contrast83> !ubuntu
[05:17] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[05:17] <contrast83> err, sorry, wrong room. heh
[05:22] <contrast83> glxinfo is segfaulting on me. glxgears just hangs (no window comes up), and Compiz obviously isn't working. Any ideas?
[05:23] <contrast83> Everything was working fine just a couple days ago, and I have *no idea* what could be causing this. :-\
[05:31] <rockets> Anybody here using Parallels on ubuntu? I'm wondering how it compares to vmware
[05:31] <nickrud> contrast83: for the apt on cd / checkinstall question, you can make a little repo:  help.ubuntu.com/community/Repository/Personal
[05:31] <nickrud> *repositories
[05:33] <contrast83> nickrud: well, the problem i'm having is after i add the aptoncd disc as a repo, when i open synaptic, it gives an error for a checkinstall package, something to the effect of "couldn't parse depencies: Required". i tried re-doing the package with checkinstall and adding dependencies for it but it wouldn't let me.
[05:33] <nickrud> contrast83: oh, it's actually trying to build a little repo. You'd have to make a real package, I guess
[05:34] <osirisx13> hey guys, how stable is gutsy? if i wanted to update right now to it, would i have any major problems?
[05:34] <contrast83> nickrud: ok, thanks for the info.
[05:34] <rockets> osirisx13, you might, or you might not :-D
[05:34] <nickrud> contrast83: yw, but it wasn't much ;(
[05:35] <contrast83> nickrud: after asking the same question repeatedly for nearly an hour, the tiniest bit of confirmation is all i need. :-)
[05:35] <osirisx13> how can i tell it to update to gutsy?
[05:35] <nickrud> !update
[05:35] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[05:36] <osirisx13> ty
[05:36] <nickrud> probably not particularly good for gutsy though
[05:36] <contrast83> will having third-party repos enabled cause problems when upgrading to a new release?
[05:36] <osirisx13> ..yeah..
[05:36] <osirisx13> how do i update to gutsy
[05:36] <contrast83> osirisx13: k/ubuntu?
[05:36] <osirisx13> u
[05:37] <nickrud> contrast83: better to disable first. Probably wouldn't matter but ...
[05:39] <nickrud> this dodge window shifting is so cool it's ludicrous
[05:40] <contrast83> i figured. last time i tried to upgrade, things didn't go well at all. fortunately, i had a seperate partition for /home so i just reinstalled without much hassle
[05:41] <contrast83> well, i'm off. peace out, y'all
[06:08] <phixnay> hi
[06:09] <phixnay> I'm upgrading to gutsy, but update-manager -d says I am up to date
[06:09] <phixnay> I have 0.59.23
[06:11] <Lynoure> phixnay: 0.59.23 of what?
[06:11] <phixnay> update manager
[06:11] <Lynoure> ah.
[06:12] <phixnay> for some reason it doesn't find the dist upgrade
[06:16] <Lynoure> Someone could check it for you. I probably should stick to the kubuntu upgrade instructions
[06:17] <hydrogen> you need to  touch a file somewhere
[06:17] <hydrogen> to tell it about it
[06:17] <Hobbsee> have you enalbed -proposed?
[06:18] <phixnay> yes
[06:18] <phixnay> all the repo boxes in synaptic are checked
[06:18] <alex_mayorga> anyone seeing the Update Manager going to the limbo more often?
[06:19] <phixnay> hydrogen: /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release ?
[06:19] <hydrogen> yea
[06:20] <phixnay> I'll look for internet instructions
[06:20] <phixnay> ah, looks like there are lots of bugs about that issue
[06:21] <alex_mayorga> !bluetooth
[06:21] <ubotu> For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows the Bluetooth chanel from upstream?
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> I mean the IRC channel
[06:22] <alex_mayorga> if any
[06:22] <Tsukasa> hey guys, why doesnt the livecd have xchat installed on it by default
[06:23] <Tsukasa> anyways, can someone help me install gutsy on my raid0 array
[06:24] <alex_mayorga> anyone having to kill -9 update-manager lately?
[06:26] <Hobbsee> phixnay: i wouldnt bet that -proposed is in teh repo list
[06:28] <phixnay> it's the third one under the "updates" tab, isn't it?
[06:28] <phixnay> Hobbsee: ^
[06:29] <Hobbsee> phixnay: i have no idea, i dont run synaptic.
[06:29] <Hobbsee> check your sources list
[06:38] <Tsukasa> can someone please help me install ubuntu on a raid-0
[06:38] <Tsukasa> gutsy
[06:38] <Tsukasa> im on the livecd currently, i have dmraid installed...
[07:07] <nemik> how would i enable exa in xorg.conf? where is it now that the gui thing is there for editing xorg.conf?
[07:39] <FunnyLookinHat> Any kubuntu gutsy testers around?
[08:01] <jussi01> FunnyLookinHat: yep
[08:33] <Fracture> :( gutsy latest still has a black window bug for nvidia
[08:35] <Fracture> hrm.. and panel applets are all crashing
[08:39] <Fracture> and firefox 'fades to black' if I open 3 windows
[08:48] <michael__> has the power unplugging problem been fixed
[08:49] <michael__> where it makes the screen backlight turn off on laptops
[09:13] <darx> I need to stop apache and mysql from running at startup.. how can I do so
[09:15] <darx> I could put a script in rc,local or init.d but then that would be stopping something thats already started. I want to speed up my startup. Its taking ages.
[09:20] <AnRkey> does the compiz blacklist feature stop ATI's from running compiz or what does it do?
[09:25] <nanonyme> AnRkey, compiz blacklist?
[09:26] <AnRkey> Version 1:0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu3:
[09:26] <AnRkey>   * debian/compiz.wrapper:
[09:26] <AnRkey>     - support pci id based blacklisting and add rv480 to
[09:26] <AnRkey>       the blacklist
[09:26] <AnRkey> yesterday i saw something about ati something or other had been blacklisted
[09:26] <AnRkey> just wanted to know what they are saying?
[09:27] <nanonyme> i was just hoping someone had blacklisted compiz but i guess that was false hope
[09:27] <AnRkey> nanonyme, u don't like the bling machine?
[09:28] <nanonyme> it's not that. it breaks things in linux
[09:28] <AnRkey> true, but the sooner everyone is using it the sooner those broken bits get fixed
[09:28] <nanonyme> no program should be allowed to prevent the user from using opengl if he so wishes
[09:28] <AnRkey> i have a nice little opengl workaround anyhow for games and other
[09:29] <nanonyme> imo compiz should only be enabled if the user says so in the installer
[09:29] <nanonyme> and the user should be warned what it can cause
[09:30] <nanonyme> that is, ubuntu installer
[09:30] <AnRkey> or maybe allow an option not to use it by default instead of an option to enable it
[09:31] <nanonyme> that way everyone would be happy and compiz would only be used by the users who know what they're doing
[09:31] <AnRkey> i like the idea of more people using it
[09:31] <nanonyme> why?
[09:31] <AnRkey> well whenever some1 sees me using compiz on my machine i end up burning an ubuntu disk for them
[09:31] <AnRkey> so much less talking :D
[09:32] <nanonyme> and you don't tell them about the downsides?
[09:32] <AnRkey> no
[09:32] <nanonyme> sounds a bit irresponsible
[09:32] <AnRkey> not of the problems stop the machine from working (here at least)
[09:33] <AnRkey> plus compiz has come a long long way
[09:33] <nanonyme> compiz and beryl affect things like 3d acceleration in movies and wine
[09:33] <AnRkey> and it's only getting better
[09:34] <AnRkey> well i love throwing my ultravnc window around while I wait for remote systems to install bits and bytes
[09:34] <AnRkey> it's like my stress toy :D
[09:34] <AnRkey> never notices a slowdown in wine
[09:34] <nanonyme> yes, it just simply usually stops working altogether
[09:34] <AnRkey> however cedega almost stops bf2 if i have compiz on
[09:34] <nanonyme> compiz is the most common error source in wine
[09:35] <AnRkey> laggy but works
[09:35] <nanonyme> or rather: wine is very efficient in finding bugs in compiz
[09:35] <AnRkey> so i run metacity --replace &
[09:35] <AnRkey> then the game
[09:35] <AnRkey> then compiz --replace &
[09:35] <AnRkey> i normally put that in a script that runs each game for me
[09:35] <nanonyme> (although i was told that most of the bugs exist because of bad design in X11)
[09:36] <AnRkey> something that does bug me is not all aps do window manager hints so well with compiz
[09:36] <AnRkey> and when thunderbird opens an email it does not bring it to the front
[09:36] <AnRkey> double clicking an email should open it above the other windows
[09:37] <nanonyme> heh
[09:37] <AnRkey> my fix for that is to set thunderbird to open each email in a separate window
[09:37] <AnRkey> works now
[09:38] <AnRkey> but you see if i was not testing allot and others did not test allot these bits would not get fixed
[09:38] <nanonyme> yeah, that's true also for vista
[09:38] <AnRkey> it's just a teething process (imhho)
[09:38] <nanonyme> so everyone using windows xp should be told to use vista, right?
[09:38] <AnRkey> vista = biggest ever beta test
[09:38] <nanonyme> so we get rid of the bugs
[09:39] <nanonyme> indeed
[09:39] <nanonyme> so is compiz
[09:39] <AnRkey> true
[09:39] <nanonyme> or at least it can be if it's enabled by default
[09:39] <AnRkey> but they say it at least unlike M$
[09:39] <nanonyme> why should the average linux user be forced to do beta testing?
[09:39] <AnRkey> i do like seeing the improvements with each upgrade
[09:40] <AnRkey> so far the last 3 have fixed bits that make me wanna kill furry cute animals
[09:40] <AnRkey> so yeah, it's all getting better :)
[09:41] <nanonyme> that's not the issue. why would the average user who probably only wants to use office and browsers be forced to do beta testing and bug hunting?
[09:41] <AnRkey> well i think we should have it's pretty stable by 7:10
[09:41] <nanonyme> we hope we have it stable by then
[09:41] <AnRkey> the ATI support is killing me though
[09:42] <nanonyme> imo the decision should only be made if it is stable
[09:42] <AnRkey> but that's ATI's fault me thinks
[09:42] <AnRkey> true
[09:44] <AnRkey> something that thrills me is that the average desktop PC is now shipping with 3d harware and it's only getting better
[09:45] <nanonyme> yes, a good way to use that is use the 3d hardware for designing medicine
[09:45] <AnRkey> or gaming
[09:45] <nanonyme> there are grid projects that use the GPU's in computers
[09:45] <AnRkey> :D
[09:45] <AnRkey> grid projects?
[09:46] <AnRkey> running for kfe quick
[09:46] <AnRkey> brb
[09:46] <nanonyme> grid is like outsourcing cpu time. something needs to be calculated but the people don't have fast enough cpu's so they use a grid to calculate it
[09:48] <nanonyme> in old days you needed to pay to get cpu time but nowadays individuals donate their cpu and gpu time for common good
[09:59] <cutekat> nanonyme: i urge u guyz not to release till its ready.
[09:59] <cutekat> even if you have to skip a cycle
[09:59] <cutekat> feisty was royally borked, and is only now becoming stable tbh
[10:00] <cutekat> shoot edgy is still better than feisty, just for a few things its nice to have later packages....
[10:01] <nanonyme> cutekat, i'm not going to release anything. i'm just talking not to it pre-decided that  beryl/compiz should be enabled in the new ubuntu by default
[10:01] <nanonyme> not to have even
[10:03] <cutekat> nanonyme: it defaintely should not be
[10:03] <cutekat> enabled that is
[10:03] <nanonyme> cutekat, i've heard it will be the way things are going
[10:03] <cutekat> and there should be a terminal command to disable the thing via console
[10:03] <cutekat> nanonyme: intel has more chipsets in laptops integrated than either nvidia or ati
[10:04] <cutekat> and everyone with intel with desktop effects is gonna be a big wtf
[10:04] <cutekat> can you say no video support whatsoever?
[10:04] <cutekat> and no clear way to get it?
[10:04] <cutekat> tho one can go no xv, one needs to know to do that.
[10:05] <nanonyme> hmm, i'm not sure about that side, intel driver support is getting better quite fast afaik
[10:05] <nanonyme> some people even think intel will be the dominant 3d card producer on linux side eventually
[10:05] <cutekat> and thats really not a good solution - makes the vids take up 3x the cpu that they would use otherwise
[10:05] <cutekat> i'm currently using an mplayer from trevhino from feisty to get xv working.
[10:05] <cutekat> there is no patch for totem or the rest.
[10:05] <cutekat> sad.
[10:05] <cutekat> so we're talking what, 42-43% of the laptop market will be effected?
[10:06] <cutekat> sure
[10:06] <cutekat> but the players + compiz wont work very well - try switching stuff to no xv and watch the cpu differences
[10:06] <cutekat> its staggering.
[10:06] <nanonyme> yups
[10:06] <cutekat> especially for someone with anything but the absolute latest and darn decent hw
[10:07] <nanonyme> i've yet to find the correct place of debate. unsure if the argument should be here, newsletters or forums
[10:07] <cutekat> so if they didnt shell out 1500-1800 for the lappy watching a simple vid is gonna lag system in compiz
[10:07] <cutekat> nanonyme: combo
[10:07] <cutekat> #ubuntu-devs is one spot i think for talking to devs
[10:07] <cutekat> but be prepaired to be eaten for lunch
[10:07] <cutekat> there are various offtopics
[10:08] <nanonyme> heh
[10:08] <cutekat> and launchpad the heck out of any bugs.
[10:08] <cutekat> start threads in forums and bump existing ones
[10:08] <cutekat> email devs etc
[10:08] <arooni__> zomg
[10:08] <arooni__> so many updates
[10:08] <arooni__> what changed?
[10:08] <arooni__> nothing has crashed yet.... ;p
[10:09] <omha> hey
[10:09] <nanonyme> cutekat, btw, also heard that there are issues with compiz that can only be solved be partly redesigning X11
[10:10] <omha> how can i get my turn screen light up and down to work on my laptop?
[10:10] <cutekat> you could spend all day
[10:10] <omha> nanonyme, EXA ?
[10:11] <nanonyme> i don't remember the issue anymore. i should have logging on #winehq. most of the problems with compiz/beryl/composite i've heard about are talked about there
[10:12] <cutekat> omha: thats exactly what not releasing something is all about.
[10:12] <cutekat> certainly not in such a visible place as appearance - at least put it in an out of the way area
[10:12] <cutekat> and i think its high time they included a front end for screen res in that same front end :P
[10:15] <cutekat> and dont get me wrong nanonyme
[10:15] <omha> cutekat, yea
[10:15] <omha> cutekat, but having compiz default is a major selling point
[10:15] <omha> even if it just works partially
[10:16] <cutekat> i think that compiz-fusion is just about the kewlest thing to happen to linux in the last couple years
[10:16] <cutekat> looks-wise i mean
[10:16] <cutekat> ive converted half dozen on the merits of compiz-fusion alone lol....
[10:16] <omha> cutekat, are there problems with gutsy low default settings ?
[10:16] <nanonyme> me too, i liked it when i used it. it will probably be just great when it's mature
[10:16] <cutekat> omha: then the patched versions of files MUST be readily avaliable.
[10:17] <omha> cutekat, huh? my internet dies for a min
[10:17] <cutekat> omha: when compiz is the wm with intel you cannot watch vids using xv
[10:17] <cutekat> and thats a MAJOR problem.
[10:17] <omha> are there any known issues with nm-applet and or ndiswrapper?
[10:17] <cutekat> there is no official package to fix that
[10:17] <cutekat> omha: some?
[10:17] <omha> oh
[10:17] <omha> cutekat,  it cant connect
[10:17] <omha> cutekat, to wifi
[10:18] <cutekat> om restart networking.
[10:18] <omha> cutekat,  iwconfig works great
[10:18] <cutekat> or did it ever connect
[10:18] <omha> it never could connect
[10:18] <cutekat> ah
[10:18] <cutekat> wep key?
[10:18] <omha> just stood there and looked stupid and asks for my wifi key mulitple times
[10:18] <omha> yea
[10:18] <cutekat> good luck
[10:19] <nanonyme> sounds like yet another bug in the graphic tools...
[10:19] <cutekat> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo
[10:19] <cutekat> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539
[10:19] <cutekat> see if those help omha
[10:20] <omha> cutekat,  well it worked in feisty
[10:20] <omha> cutekat,  and i think the rt2500usb driver is broken in gutsy
[10:20] <omha> hmm
[10:20] <omha> launchpad :)
[10:21] <cutekat> did you keep a copy of the feisty /etc/networking/interfaces ?
[10:21] <omha> nope
[10:21] <cutekat> [this is why gutsy is my secondary install lol] 
[10:21] <omha> its my primary :D
[10:21] <cutekat> i read primary as only
[10:21] <omha> i got to frigging sick of XP
[10:22] <cutekat> lol
[10:22] <cutekat> very common story
[10:22] <cutekat> :>
[10:23] <cutekat> can you imagine how much software we could pack in if we used as much space as vista?
[10:23] <cutekat> lol
[10:23] <cutekat> seriously tho we should go to minidvd instead of cd soon
[10:23] <cutekat> ~1.4GB
[10:24] <omha> no
[10:24] <omha> just dvd
[10:24] <omha> it would be so sweet not having to install 300megs after install
[10:25] <omha> it wouldnt be much work having a cd and a packed up dvd
[10:29] <Tomcat_> There are DVDs of Ubuntu. :o
[10:29] <omha> offcial ?
[10:30] <Tomcat_> Just checking... not sure really. ;)
[10:30] <Tomcat_> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/7.04/release/
[10:30] <Tomcat_> Yes, quite official.
[10:30] <Tomcat_> Just not on the regular download pages.
[10:31] <omha> nice :D
[10:32] <Tomcat_> You'll still have to install 300megs after install though. ;)
[10:32] <omha> yea but thats updates
[10:32] <omha> or is it just added packeges?
[10:32] <Tomcat_> ?
[10:33] <omha> to the dvd
[10:33] <omha> not installed
[10:33] <Tomcat_> The DVD is just added packages. You don't need to download universe.
[10:33] <Tomcat_> The installer doesn't change.
[10:33] <omha> oh
[10:33] <Tomcat_> I doubt the Ubuntu devs want to install universe software by default. ;)
[10:34] <omha> they could install xchat by default
[10:34] <Tomcat_> No, they can't... xchat is in universe.
[10:35] <Tomcat_> afaik the policy is to install only stuff in main, to have a stable, working distro.
[10:35] <Tomcat_> The packages in universe are good, but not up to the quality level of main.
[10:36] <Tomcat_> I don't know how much of a regular install CD is installed on the disk, but I'm sure that even if it was a DVD instead of a CD, they couldn't install more without getting more packages into main. ;)
[10:36] <omha> :(
[10:37] <omha> then get them into main :)
[10:37] <cutekat> Tomcat_: y is it in universe
[10:37] <omha> there is some software that woudl be really good to have defualt
[10:37] <shirish> can somebody help me, I'm not able to use the gui after updates, seems metacity breaks
[10:37] <omha> like vpn
[10:37] <Tomcat_> cutekat: Because the main ubuntu devs don't think it's that important. And imho, they're right.
[10:38] <shirish> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/139556
[10:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139556 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "after updates, no output displayed" [Undecided,New] 
[10:38] <Tomcat_> omha: Well, the "best" case is to just install everything, right? ;D
[10:38] <omha> no
[10:38] <omha> just the stuff i want :D
[10:38] <shirish> with that the .xsession-errors file is also attached in that bug-report
[10:38] <Tomcat_> omha: Hehe ;)
[10:38] <Tomcat_> omha: You can customize the DVD to install stuff you want. ;)
[10:38] <shirish> ** (x-session-manager:5227): WARNING **: Failed to start sound.
[10:38] <shirish> Window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/shirish/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/home/shirish/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory
[10:40] <Tomcat_> shirish: You should mention the program versions you're using.
[10:41] <omha> shirish, have you did a upgrade since breakage?
[10:45] <heanol> has anyone else besides me feel that gutsy is less responsive than feisty? i've upgraded two machines to gutsy and they both feel less response in general in X
[10:46] <omha> heanol, i feel a general speed improvement
[10:46] <contrast83> heanol: just the opposite from my experience so far
[10:46] <etnoy_> no, I haven't noticed any
[10:46] <etnoy_> just that compiz fusion seems swifter
[10:46] <heanol> weird.
[10:47] <etnoy_> in what way is it slower?
[10:47] <etnoy_> dns timeouts?
[10:47] <heanol> etnoy_, no, nothing measurable
[10:47] <etnoy_> i.e. are there momentary freezes or just a feeling
[10:47] <heanol> just gnome feels less responsive
[10:47] <omha> heanol, are you using compiz?
[10:47] <heanol> longer to create windows, etc
[10:47] <etnoy_> how is your cpu usage?
[10:47] <etnoy_> when you create windows
[10:47] <heanol> cpu usage is none, atm
[10:47] <heanol> not using compiz either atm
[10:47] <etnoy_> and if you move a window?
[10:47] <heanol> responsive
[10:47] <etnoy_> okay
[10:48] <heanol> i guess it could be because i installed tracker on both
[10:48] <etnoy_> how is the cpu usage when you create a new window?
[10:48] <Tomcat_> Isn't tracker automatically installed anyway?
[10:48] <heanol> Tomcat_, don't think so if you upgrade from feisty
[10:48] <Tomcat_> Oh, right. That might be. :)
[10:48] <heanol> unless some always installed package depends on it
[10:50] <omha> i noticed OO is frigging fast to start 2. time
[10:50] <Hobbsee> disable java
[10:51] <heanol> i prefer abiword / gnumeric :-)
[10:51] <heanol> heh
[10:51] <jmg> my gdm face reverted to gnome default
[10:51] <omha> heanol, OO starts on 1sec
[10:51] <jmg> not face, screen
[10:52] <jmg> omha: the second time
[10:52] <jmg> isnt that prelink
[10:52] <omha> jmg,  still
[10:52] <jmg> ?
[10:52] <heanol> i wonder why i have a "power history" choice in the context menu of the "battery"-notification-area-program (whatever it is) on my desktop computer, but not on my laptop :)
[10:52] <omha> something like that
[10:52] <jmg> heanol: to tell you how much power your server/desktop draws
[10:52] <jmg> when you leave it on all the time
[10:53] <jmg> global warming, fossil fuels etc
[10:53] <heanol> :p
[10:53] <contrast83> jmg: kdm did that for me. iirc, there's a file that's part of the *ubuntu-default-settings package you have to manually edit to use whatever theme you want for your display manager
[10:53] <heanol> jmg, you'd think there'd actually be more useful to have that option on a computer that actually has a battery :)
[10:53] <jmg> contrast83: or just reinstall ubuntu
[10:54] <contrast83> ugh :-P
[10:54] <jmg> heanol: doesnt run 24 hours a day
[10:54] <jmg> probably doesnt draw more than 75watt
[10:54] <jmg> not a serious impact
[10:54] <jmg> running a computer uses more power than a grow lamp :p
[10:55] <jmg> contrast83: hehe
[10:55] <jmg> contrast83: ive always found it better to move my old home out of the way and let ubuntu make a new one then import my dotfiles
[10:56] <AnRkey> jmg having same defauly gnome stuff here
[10:56] <jmg> AnRkey: ok
[10:56] <jmg> i put it down to them changing the themes
[10:56] <AnRkey> just finished updates gonna restart gdm in a few
[10:56] <jmg> me too
[10:57] <AnRkey> i am one of those crazy nuts that uses gutsy in a work place
[10:57] <AnRkey> not smart :D
[10:57] <heanol> i do too :)
[10:57] <AnRkey> it keeps me on my toes
[10:57] <AnRkey> good fun though
[10:57] <heanol> used to run debian unstable, gutsy is way less quirky :P
[10:57] <AnRkey> good motivation to help out :D
[10:58] <AnRkey> oh, really
[10:58] <AnRkey> never run debian unstable
[10:58] <heanol> things break, but they're fixxed quite fast
[10:58] <heanol> same for gutys i guess
[10:58] <AnRkey> i really love the ubuntu project so i wanted to help out and here i am
[10:58] <heanol> noticed the flashplugin-nonfree was broken a few days ago
[10:58] <heanol> but fixed in a day or so :)
[10:59] <AnRkey> i love seeing how it just gets better and better
[10:59] <heanol> Yep
[10:59] <heanol> gutsy is really nice
[10:59] <AnRkey> feels good to know i am part of an awesome product like ubuntu
[11:00] <AnRkey> i loved feisty and gutsy makes me all warm inside
[11:00] <AnRkey> yes i know i need help when i talk about an os like that
[11:02] <omha> i always love to install XP in a VM, its so frigging quick
[11:02] <omha> and with kvm it's faster then native
[11:03] <heanol> hmm
[11:03] <heanol> anyone know if it's possible to use network manager without the applet?
[11:03] <heanol> i.e. some cli interface for it
[11:03] <omha> heanol, iwconfig
[11:03] <omha> heanol, iwlist for scanning
[11:04] <heanol> omha, well, yes. but that doesn't use the network manager
[11:04] <omha> no
[11:04] <heanol> does network manager use those internally?
[11:04] <omha> heanol, why do you not want to use the applet?
[11:04] <heanol> how does network manager manage wpa?
[11:04] <heanol> omha, because i don't run gnome :)
[11:04] <heanol> always
[11:05] <heanol> for some reason wpa_supplicant doesn't work as good as NetworkManager
[11:05] <omha> then use the kde package
[11:07] <heanol> don't run kde either
[11:07] <omha> xfce?
[11:08] <heanol> wmii http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wmii
[11:08] <omha> hmm
[11:08] <omha> how many dm's are there?
[11:09] <heanol> dm's?
[11:09] <contrast83> desktop managers
[11:09] <contrast83> but...
[11:09] <contrast83> the terms are desktop environments and window managers, just to nitpick. :-)
[11:09] <heanol> wmii isn't really a desktop environment
[11:13] <contrast83> heanol: Just saw what you asked. Did you try NetworkManager?
[11:13] <heanol> contrast83, hm?
[11:14] <contrast83> Did you try just running that from the terminal?
[11:14] <contrast83> Err, nevermind. I just realized you probably mean a way to choose the network, etc.
[11:33] <cutekat> heanol: you mean DE which is desktop enviornment
[11:33] <cutekat> less than half dozen - kde/gnome/xfce being the only real three i can think of....
[11:33] <cutekat> as far as window managers there are dozens
[11:33] <cutekat> ^^
[11:38] <contrast83> Enlightenment is looking more like a DE these days.
[11:38] <omha> anyone running virtualbox in gutsy?
[11:45] <AnRkey> nanonyme, http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2007/09/12/ubuntu-technical-board-votes-on-compiz-for-ubuntu-7-10
[11:45] <heanol> -> http://uptr.pl/ma
[11:45] <cutekat> still kinda far from that imo
[11:46] <AnRkey> rofl heanol thats scary that we both paste the same thing
[11:48] <nanonyme> i agree with garrett, actually
[11:48] <nanonyme> unless normal users become developers, that will only make people dislike ubuntu
[11:48] <nanonyme> it won't speed up development
[11:52] <nanonyme> so press is more important than functionality. nice summary
[01:28] <SoulChild> Hi all. udev does not generate paths like /dev/hda3 or /dev/sda3 any ideas ??? using ubuntu gutsy gibbon
[01:28] <jscinoz> is there a list of all models for the snd-hda-intel driver somewhere?
[01:28] <Eq|work> works fine for me SoulChild .
[01:29] <Eq|work> jscinoz : best bet is probably to look at the kernel source.. there's frequently documentation in the relevant dir, or in the source files themselves.
[01:29] <jscinoz> gah
[01:29] <jscinoz> i r
[01:30] <SoulChild> Eq|work: strange ,... now it works for me too ,..
[01:35] <SoulChild> i start my box at quiet mode (without splash) when shutting down or restarting, i get a bunch of messages from network-manager,.... how do i stop verbose-mode for nm-applet???
[01:35] <Eq|work> no clue :-/
[01:36] <openstandards> hey Amaranth do you know any idea what could fix the bug with the opensource ati driver/ compiz basically the buttons don't get drawn
[01:36] <Amaranth> openstandards: XAANoOffscreenPixmaps
[01:37] <openstandards> cheers
[01:38] <Amaranth> at least tracker isn't indexing the locate DB, that's be painful
[02:08] <Sergemin1> Hi, Guys! Want to say a huge THANK YOU to ALL UBUNTU+1 DEVELOPERS! Thank you. I did some magic to install a Gutsy printer drivers package @ Edgy and my printer worked just like that! Would love to see it in action in Gutsy too! Does anyone know if printing is already enabled in Gutsy daily live builds ???
[02:13] <gnomefreak> Sergemin1: printing was never disabled
[02:13] <pvandewyngaerde> !flash
[02:14] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:14] <pvandewyngaerde> !flash 64
[02:14] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash 64 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:15] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde: Install the flashplugin-nonfree package and install the nspluginwrapper package
[02:15] <pvandewyngaerde> i found it, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AMD64/FirefoxAndPlugins
[02:15] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde: nspluginwrapper runs 32bit plugins in 64 bit browsers
[02:16] <pvandewyngaerde> i am having conflicts
[02:17] <pvandewyngaerde> it wants to delete:ubuntu-minimal util-linux util-linux-locales
[02:19] <penguin42> hmm not good
[02:19] <penguin42> ah ok
[02:19] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde: Remove the 'linux32' out of that apt-get line
[02:20] <pvandewyngaerde> k, done
[02:20] <gnubuntu> hi
[02:20] <penguin42> oh,l see that page is using 32 bit firefox rather than nspluginwrapper
[02:24] <gnubuntu> i still have problem with hibernate in gutsy latest tribe5 on my notebook. i get a black screen but no hibernate. anybody can help?
[02:28] <rambo3> why is there no iftab
[02:32] <jscinoz> I have a HDMI output on my laptop, it uses the snd-hda-intel driver, what model should i specify to get sound output over hdmi? is there a list of models i can choose from?
[02:35] <Eq|work> jscinoz : you're unlikely to get an answer beyond what i said earlier.
[02:45] <omha> any good digital tv app like kdetv?
[03:08] <AnRkey> why are gstreamer10-plugins named ugly? :)
[03:10] <Toma-> they have ugly licenses
[03:13] <__tim> the licenses are fine, but a lot of the stuff in -ugly is encumbered by patents
[03:18] <omha> i love ubuntu-restricted-extras
[03:18] <omha> and im not in the US of A so its also legal :D
[03:21] <pvandewyngaerde> penguin42:  do you have java working with nspluginwrapper ?
[03:21] <penguin42> no
[03:22] <penguin42> I'm running blackdown java on 64bit - but it certainly wasn't stable
[03:22] <penguin42> IMHO the easiest thing for java is Konqueror which uses an external java binary
[03:26] <pvandewyngaerde> penguin42:  does your flash work in 64 bit konqueror ?
[03:29] <ShackJack> HI - Am trying to install gutsy but xorg wont start... what is the failsafe video driver... vesa, vga, tga, ati do not work (using ATI X1400)
[03:31] <omha> ShackJack, use vesa
[03:31] <omha> ShackJack, then go to the restricted manager and install the binary ati driver
[03:32] <ShackJack> omha: Hi - as stated about, vesa (default setup, does not work(
[03:32] <omha> ShackJack, vga?
[03:33] <ShackJack> See above...
[03:33] <omha> oh
[03:33] <omha> ShackJack, what error do you get?
[03:33] <ShackJack> Just failed to start X server... etc...
[03:33] <ShackJack> Default boot from live cd (gutsy tribe 5)
[03:34] <omha> ShackJack, hmm vesa should always work
[03:34] <omha> ShackJack, and you should be ashamed!!!
[03:34] <ShackJack> What is the video mode used when the ubuntu logo comes up of the command line text... why can't it just use *that* mode... sheesh....
[03:34] <ShackJack> *or
[03:34] <omha> having ATI cards when AMD releases proper drivers and specs and opensource drivers
[03:35] <ShackJack> Yeah, stuck with it unfortunately... but Ubuntu should really boot into a graphics mode at some point - like having the failsafe X run for the install CD...
[03:35] <omha> ShackJack, have you tried booting up in failesafe X?
[03:36] <ShackJack> Will try didn't see as option... actually hadn't tried "safe graphics mode" will try now :)
[03:38] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde: Yeh flash works
[03:42] <ShackJack> No love on safe mode graphics either -- sheesh - went through the same thing with Feisty, I thought it'd be much improved by Gutsy
[03:43] <omha> ShackJack, it should
[03:43] <omha> ShackJack,  there is a failsafe X in gutsy or there is coming one
[03:43] <omha> but if vese isnt working, i dont know
[03:43] <omha> vesa should always work
[03:44] <omha> ShackJack, you tried booting up in 800x600 vesa?
[03:44] <omha> with no glx or dri
[03:45] <penguin42> pvandewyngaerde: I have had problems sometimes with flash on konqueror where I have to killall the kio_http I think it is sometimes the flash plugin doesn't die off and next time you try to do flash it gets confused; but I've had problems on Netscape as well
[03:46] <pvandewyngaerde> ShackJack:  is it a laptop or a desktop ?
[03:46] <ShackJack> omha: Just default Vesa.. dunno what res... but it should matter that much... I ended up unlocking my wifi and apt update and install fglrx and then restart gdm... but don't expect a noob to do that :)
[03:46] <ShackJack> pvandewyngaerde: Lappy... Inspiron E1505
[03:47] <ShackJack> Hope it'll be better when some decent OS ati drivers come along...
[03:47] <omha> ShackJack, that would be expecting a little bit to much
[03:47] <ShackJack> :) We'll see...
[03:47] <omha> ShackJack, it is already here
[03:48] <gnubuntu> same problem like ShackJack with my ati mobility radeon x1800
[03:48] <omha> ShackJack,  and the next one will be even better
[03:48] <ShackJack> gnubuntu: You got it going?
[03:48] <gnubuntu> yes.
[03:48] <gnubuntu> i just get apt install fglrx driver
[03:48] <gnubuntu> then everything is fine :)
[03:48] <ShackJack> Yeah, fglrx/xgl and Compiz Fusion have been teh sux lately... random X crashes with no word as to why...
[03:49] <ShackJack> gnubuntu: Yep ditto... I'm doing a reinstall over my dual boot and then running Win XP in virtual box for any win apps I need...
[03:51] <gnubuntu> still wait for the new ati 8.42 driver in october
[03:52] <omha> gnomefreak, .42 is out?
[03:52] <omha> 8.41.7 is
[03:52] <omha> ^^ that should be good too
[03:54] <ShackJack> gnubuntu: Yeah, 8.41 was a no go for me... But AIGLX on ATI - yess!!!! Course, I'm only assuming that will solve my Fusion stability problems...
[03:56] <gnomefreak> omha: .42?
[03:56] <gnubuntu> ShackJack: i dont use 3d-desktop at all with xgl. cause problem with big desktop and direct-rendering
[03:56] <gnomefreak> oh you meant gnubuntu
[03:57] <gnubuntu> for now fglrx 8.37.6 is stable und fast on gutsy.
[04:00] <ShackJack> Ah... 95GB for my /home partition... sweet...
[04:10] <slavik> what is the version of libc in gutsy?
[04:14] <slackern> 2.6.1-1ubuntu4 is the version of libc i got installed right now
[04:16] <omha> penguin42 and that does?
[04:21] <penguin42> omha: Read the comment at the top
[04:22] <dfgas> hey do you know how to get a program to load and straight to a certain workspace on start of gnome?
[04:22] <penguin42> omha: A program can ask for a 'secure' port - ie.. 1 below 1024 and the libc will allocate it - but it might take up a useful port; that appears to be a way to stop that happening - very useful
[04:23] <Pici> dfgas: look into devilspie and the gnome sessions options
[04:23] <dfgas> devilspie?
[04:24] <penguin42> p   devilspie                       - find windows and perform actions on them
[04:24] <penguin42> neat
[04:57] <slavik> I have latest update-manager, yet whe run with -cdp it doesn't see that gutsy is available
[05:16] <PriceChild> RichW, ok first things first...
[05:16] <PriceChild> NEVER run alpha software on machines which are "URGENT"ly needed etc.
[05:16] <PriceChild> because this happens :D
[05:16] <RichW> haha
[05:16] <PriceChild> seriously...
[05:16] <RichW> i need the latest versions
[05:16] <PriceChild> nobody ever listens
[05:16] <PriceChild> and they run it anyway
[05:17] <RichW> I have very new hardware
[05:17] <PriceChild> and then it breaks
[05:17] <PriceChild> pssh
[05:17] <RichW> So I run gutsy for hardware support
[05:17] <PriceChild> I think I had this earlier, just used iwconfig to get things going... seemed to be fixed with latest packages/reboot but not sure which
[05:17] <RichW> ralink drivers got merged in kernel, lm-sensors drivers in kernel, nvidia drivers come with it for 8600
[05:18] <PriceChild> *has ralink and feisty works fine*
[05:18] <RichW> hardware support improved vastly in gutsy compared to feisty
[05:18] <RichW> yeah but its all config file based
[05:18] <RichW> and no network manager
[05:19] <PriceChild> sudo iwconfig wlan0 essid <name>
[05:19] <PriceChild> sudo dhclient wlan0
[05:19] <PriceChild> easy
[05:19] <RichW> I have standard wpa
[05:19] <PriceChild> or just add it to system > admin > networking
[05:21] <RichW> i think i did that but didnt connect.. i made a fresh user
[05:21] <RichW> il try with that
[05:23] <RichW> ahhh
[05:23] <RichW> it says
[05:23] <RichW> NetworkManager is not running
[05:24] <RichW> and the icon is missing but theres a invisable bar
[05:24] <RichW> which you can find if you click carfully
[05:24] <RichW> I believe network manager has a service
[05:24] <RichW> il try that
[05:26] <RichW> Anyone here?
[05:28] <RichW> hi
[05:42] <shanky> good evening
[05:42] <shanky> how can I add more epson stylus drivers to my system?
[05:53] <radius> hey, i'm trying to update gutsy and it's updating the wrong initrd file - i'm not running generic >> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.22-11-generic
[05:53] <radius> Linux lnport 2.6.22-11-386 #1 Fri Sep 7 04:33:15 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[05:56] <radius> http://pastebin.ca/697664
[05:57] <penguin42> radius: Which kernel are you using?
[05:57] <radius> ^-- 5 lines above just pasted
[05:58] <penguin42> that's from the package?
[05:58] <radius> well i am not running apparmor if that helps
[05:59] <radius> can't remove it or bypass it at the mo.
[05:59] <radius> 2.6.22-11-386
[06:00] <penguin42> hmm I haven't got apparmour in (I'm on an upgraded machine and it hasn't pulled in all the packages that seem to be loaded by default)
[06:00] <radius> normally i remove what halts the update - just wanted to check if i can break this or is there an issue
[06:02] <penguin42> radius: In your /lib/modules/kernelname/ubuntu/security directory is there an apparmor directory and module?
[06:02] <radius> sec
[06:03] <radius> under the generic folders, yes
[06:03] <Aondo> can anyone confirm if their thunderbird works with enigmail? with the repo packages.
[06:03] <penguin42> radius: But not the i386 ones?
[06:03] <radius> corect
[06:03] <radius> correcT*
[06:03] <penguin42> radius: Maybe file a bug against the i386 kernel build? (or perhaps it just doesn't work with -i386)
[06:03] <gnomefreak> Aondo: for some it doesnt but i do believe someone has a fix for it already
[06:04] <gnomefreak> Aondo: if it hasnt landed it will in next day or so
[06:04] <radius> so i can go ahead and break this falt then
[06:04] <Aondo> ok
[06:04] <Aondo> strange bug i must say anyway :P
[06:05] <gnomefreak> Aondo: it is as i could never reproduce the bug
[06:05] <gnomefreak> and alot of people cant, i left for a while so i lost track of the bug
[06:06] <Aondo> but it is only with the repo packages right?, i'm sure i can remember using gpg from original download of thunderbird(not good to test gutsy that way) :P
[06:07] <gnomefreak> Aondo: afaik but i only use repo package for that on gutsy and i have locale packages for my feisty system i use
[06:07] <gnomefreak> local
[06:08] <gnomefreak> Aondo: im asking the mozilla maintainer atm on the progress of it
[06:08] <Aondo> ok
[06:08] <Aondo> nice
[06:09] <Aondo> while you do that i will keep testing :P
[06:10] <radius> ok let's see if this checks out - *apparmor* issues with 2.6.22-11-386
[06:11] <gnomefreak> Aondo: it might be faster if you join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask asac (he is busy atm with midbrowser but he will answer you when he gets a sec. i cant describe issue to him because it may be different
[06:12] <penguin42> radius: It looks like there are issues on -generic as well at the moment
[06:12] <penguin42> oh
[06:13] <gnomefreak> penguin42: its been talked about the past few days on how to fix iirc
[06:15] <damon_> I just upgraded to gutsy from feisty using apt-get dist-upgrade and I need a microscope to view  fonts.. should I be reporting this as a bug?
[06:16] <gnomefreak> damon_: yes but look around first as there are alot of them
[06:16] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah OK; my failure looks like the same as #139280 rather than #138954 that it has been merged with
[06:19] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Do you happen to know if there is a good way to make sure that my upgraded box gets all the stuff that a fresh installer would get?  There seem to be some things (like apparmor) that weren't installed as part of a dist-upgrade or installing the ubuntu base packages
[06:20] <gnomefreak> penguin42: install *-desktop package but apparmor is borked so it might not install
[06:20] <damon_> meanwhile is there anything I can do to make the widget font size in firefox and thunderbird readable?
[06:21] <gridl0ck> gnomefreak, anyway to get rid of apparmor at the moment?
[06:21] <gridl0ck> on my install *
[06:21] <penguin42> gnomefreak: I already have ubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-desktop installed
[06:24] <gnomefreak> gridl0ck: i dont know the fix for it atm
[06:24] <gnomefreak> penguin42: than you have default packages installed
[06:24] <gridl0ck> np thanks gnomefreak
[06:26] <penguin42> gnomefreak: ok, speaking to a few people the other day I'd come to the conclusion apparmor was in by default
[06:26] <dajhorn> damon_: Open about:config in Firefox and set layout.css.dpi=0 to fix the small font problem.
[06:26] <gnomefreak> penguin42: not that i know of
[06:27] <gnomefreak> penguin42: it is it looks like
[06:27] <penguin42> you see why I'm confused!
[06:28] <dajhorn> damon_: This is already reported at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/120811
[06:28] <gnomefreak> atleast its not with ubuntu-desktop
[06:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120811 in firefox "firefox displays fonts smaller than it should have" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:28] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i never installed it but i have it maybe from another package
[06:28] <damon_> dajhorn: hey, that worked like a charm!
[06:28] <gnomefreak> damon_: yes i know that bug all too well
[06:28] <damon_> dajhorn: and thanks for the bug report info
[06:28] <penguin42> gnomefreak: a dpkg -l from a fresh install would be something useful to have to compare against
[06:29] <damon_> dajhorn: what is the equivalent of about:config for thunderbird?
[06:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: ask in #ubuntu-motu about it
[06:29] <penguin42> ok
[06:29] <gnomefreak> damon_: prefferences> config editor
[06:29] <gnomefreak> damon_: last tab iirc
[06:30] <damon_> thanks very much!
[06:30] <gnomefreak> damon_: easier to change gutsy;s DPI since that is the one that is borked
[06:30] <damon_> and how do I do that gnomefreak?
[06:30] <gnomefreak> damon_: i dont remember but i think its xorg settings, there is a bug on it as well since tribe 1 or2
[06:31] <damon_> gnomefreak: ok
[06:31] <penguin42> damon_: If you do  xdpyinfo what does the line 'resolution:' say ?
[06:32] <damon_> penguin42:  resolution:    67x56 dots per inch
[06:32] <penguin42> that's unusually low
[06:33] <damon_> penguin42: that probably explains why all the fonts were microscopic after the gdm login
[06:33] <gnomefreak> should be 70 iirc
[06:33] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Well mine is ~100
[06:34] <gnomefreak> oh yeah its more like 96ish
[06:34] <gnomefreak> 97
[06:34] <penguin42> damon_: It's confusing me - because I'm thinking if that is too low then you would end up with bigger fonts rather than smaller ones!
[06:34] <gnomefreak> if i seee bug ill find out
[06:34] <penguin42> damon_: How big is your monitor and what resoluton are you running?
[06:34] <damon_> i'm on a 1280x800 laptop panel
[06:35] <penguin42> same here
[06:35] <penguin42> 15.4" ?
[06:35] <damon_> 13.3 "
[06:35] <damon_> when I was updating the gdm service tried multiple times to restart
[06:35] <damon_> eventually I hit the new config code that starts when X does not start
[06:36] <penguin42> hang on - I've got a tape measure.....
[06:36] <damon_> it did not allow me to choose 1280x800 so I chose 800x600 as an initial default
[06:36] <damon_> I don't know if that has something to do with this resolution problem
[06:37] <penguin42> if your monitor is smaller than mine but the same res then I'd expect you to have a higher dpi; I think yours should be closer to 111dpi (mine seems to have worked it out consistent with that my tape measure says)
[06:38] <damon_> penguin42: where do I set the DPI? my quick scan of xorg.conf doesn't show anything obvious
[06:39] <penguin42> damon_: Well you shouldn't need to - the monitor should report it's size/res via ddc to the video card
[06:40] <dfgas> what is better of just these 2 cards, fx5200lp 128meg agp or a 9200se 128meg agp?
[06:40] <penguin42> Hey Nipple!
[06:40] <penguin42> My sound works
[06:41] <damon_> penguin42: ok I shouldn't need to but today I kinda do.... any suggestions ;-)
[06:41] <penguin42> damon_: OK, I think I have it
[06:41] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: I'm finding everything works now :) I've even just cracked the Sony Vaio Phoenix BIOS/NVRAM and enabled VT
[06:41] <penguin42> damon_: In the monitor section of the config file add a line that is:    DisplaySize  xxx yyy   where xxx is the width of your monitor in mm and yyy is the height
[06:42] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Oh that's a neat trick; for sound I had to add model=auto to the alsa module config gile
[06:42] <IntuitiveNipple> I remember doing that on Feisty but not done anything on Gutsy
[06:42] <damon_> IntuitiveNipple: you got VT working? great
[06:43] <damon_> IntuitiveNipple: I have no idea why Sony doesn't even have an option for it
[06:43] <IntuitiveNipple> damon_: I'm writing a Linux utility to do it now I know how its done and it is safe
[06:44] <IntuitiveNipple> damon_: http://www.wimsbios.com/phpBB2/topic9326-15.html
[06:44] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm now having problems getting the kernel modules for VMware to build :p
[06:45] <penguin42> oh they are always normally a little behind the ubuntu kernels
[06:46] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Which VMWare - there seems to be a vmware-player-kernel-modules package but not server
[06:47] <IntuitiveNipple> VMware server
[06:47] <penguin42> nod
[06:47] <IntuitiveNipple> I've just found an updated version of the any-any patch (v113) so trying that now
[06:48] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Please be careful releasing code based on your reverse engineering - it might be safer to document your reverse engineered stuff and then get someone else to code it - but IANAL
[06:48] <dajhorn> damon_: You need this to run VMware on Gutsy:  http://ftp.cvut.cz/vmware/vmware-any-any-update109.tar.gz
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: if someone wants to sue me... :)
[06:49] <dajhorn> damon_: But vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz is the latest AFAIK.
[06:49] <penguin42> IntuitiveNipple: Well it's not about you; if you release that code and it gets into a distro then it's bad for everyone
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> 113 I'm trying now - 109 doesn't work for Gutsy and VMware server
[06:49] <IntuitiveNipple> penguin42: It won't be in a distro
[06:50] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, it just this second built vmnet.ko with any-any 113 :)
[06:50] <penguin42> ok, but please make sure it is marked as coming from reverse eng just so anyone else who picks it up knows
[06:51] <dajhorn> The VMware Server package from the feisty-commercial repository works well on Gutsy, btw.
[06:51] <IntuitiveNipple> dajhorn: I didn't see one,I did search
[06:51] <npurciful> Where would i make a complaint about the ubufox firefox extension that is install by default?
[06:52] <dajhorn> IntuitiveNipple:  113 may only be available from VMware support.  I'll post it somewhere shortly...
[06:53] <penguin42> npurciful: File a bug against it in launchpad
[06:53] <damon_> ok I'm going to dry out this new fangled x config ... back in a minute I hope :)
[06:53] <npurciful> ok
[06:53] <IntuitiveNipple> dajhorn: Ahhh... I know why... for some reason the 64-bit Gutsy repo isn't found
[06:54] <SeveredCross> No, 113 is available online somewhere, I know I've foudn it.
[06:54] <dajhorn> Ah, it's at Petr's site where it should be.  http://platan.vc.cvut.cz/ftp/pub/vmware/vmware-any-any-update113.tar.gz
[06:56] <IntuitiveNipple> what am I missing? "http://gb.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/Release: Unable to find expected entry  commercial/binary-amd64/Packages in Meta-index file (malformed Release file?)"
[06:57] <IntuitiveNipple> dajhorn: Yes, that is where I got the patch from
[06:57] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: looks like a release file issue on server
[06:58] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: may just need to be regenerated iirc they are automatic so maybe try back in a day (not sure how often updated)
[06:58] <npurciful> You know the problem isnt really a bug, it works as it should i think it is that i use kubuntu and when install firefox it has ubufox with it and i have all the deps that go with ubufox which is like 20 extra mb of DL and 40 packages that i dont need.
[06:58] <IntuitiveNipple> or my bad typos in sources.list :p
[06:58] <gnomefreak> or that
[06:59] <gnomefreak> npurciful: ummmmm i would hope not
[06:59] <gnomefreak> npurciful: the depends for ubufox are Depends: firefox, apturl
[06:59] <gnomefreak> that is it only 2
[07:00] <damon_> hey thanks everyone very much for your help
[07:00] <gnomefreak> npurciful: apt-cache show packagename will show you the depends of the package
[07:00] <damon_> I can actually read things now!
[07:00] <damon_> thanks again
[07:00] <dajhorn> IntuitiveNipple:  The commercial repository is on the Canonical corporate server, not the Ubuntu mirrors.
[07:00] <damon_> I hope to contribute something useful
[07:01] <penguin42> damon_: Can you make sure there is a bug filed for your graphics card/laptop stating it got the dpi wrong
[07:01] <npurciful> ok hold on
[07:01] <dajhorn> IntuitiveNipple: The only difference between the Release file that you linked and the Release file that I can see is the date, so it is probably kosher.
[07:01] <damon_> penguin42: yes, good idea
[07:01] <damon_> thanks
[07:02] <IntuitiveNipple> doh - dajhorn  thanks... I had it set to canonical.com but edited it to ubuntu.com - just realised that I fixed the wrong bug in the URL !
[07:02] <IntuitiveNipple> thanks for reminding me :)
[07:02] <dajhorn> IntuitiveNipple: np
[07:03] <npurciful> ubuntu package says i have to install 29 files
[07:03] <npurciful> ubufox, sorry
[07:04] <IntuitiveNipple> no wonder! there is no gutsy-commercial
[07:06] <gnomefreak> npurciful: most likely from firefox
[07:06] <gnomefreak> IntuitiveNipple: not until release afaik
[07:06] <gridl0ck> ok fixed that problem with apparmor
[07:06] <IntuitiveNipple> Grrrr!
[07:07] <IntuitiveNipple> now I remember why I disabled them
[07:07] <gridl0ck> gnomefreak, reinstallation of linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-xen/linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-11-386 fix it with apt-get -f install
[07:08] <gnomefreak> maybeit was fixed with release of -11 than
[07:08] <gridl0ck> i had it already installed
[07:08] <gridl0ck> is why that was odd that it was erroring on me
[07:08] <gridl0ck> i think the -xen fixed it
[07:08] <gridl0ck> that wasn't installed
[07:09] <gnomefreak> npurciful: http://paste.ubuntu.com/197/ these packages?
[07:09] <npurciful> i install firefox and the uninstall ubufox extension did sudo apt install -f to fix and it removed all the deps that are list in gdebi package manager
[07:09] <npurciful> and firefox still works fine
[07:09] <gnomefreak> npurciful: firefox suggests ubufox
[07:10] <npurciful> gnomefreak: no not those pkgs
[07:10] <gnomefreak> those are the ones installed with firefox
[07:10] <gnomefreak> if you are missing them
[07:11] <DrakeJustice> anyone have a custom gutsy usplash?
[07:11] <DrakeJustice> !usplash
[07:11] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[07:13] <npurciful> these pkg are selected when i type sudo aptitude install ubufox:
[07:13] <gnomefreak> because you are using aptitude
[07:13] <gnomefreak> aptitude installs suggested depends and recommends apt-get installs depends
[07:14] <npurciful> http://paste.ubuntu.com/198/
[07:15] <npurciful> same thing with apt-get
[07:15] <npurciful> and gdebi
[07:17] <Pici> ubufox depends on apturl which in turn depends on a bunch of gnome and gtk stuff.
[07:18] <Pici> apturl: http://paste.ubuntu.com/199/
[07:20] <npurciful> ok, but why why would i want all that stuff on my computer if i was run gnome I wouldnt notice probly but i use kde so i do know and i got a slow speed connection
[07:21] <Hobbsee> firefox requires it anyway....
[07:22] <npurciful> i havent got apturl install firefox works fine
[07:22] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Oh that's an interesting difference
[07:22] <DrakeJustice> gutsy usplash hacking anyone?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> npurciful: ubufox needs apturl for the auto plugin finder
[07:22] <gnomefreak> !usplash | DrakeJustice
[07:22] <ubotu> DrakeJustice: To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[07:23] <DrakeJustice> gnomefreak, thx, but that doesn't go for gutsy...
[07:23] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Perhaps that is one of the differences relating to what I was asking before about installed packages
[07:23] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: its not real fun or that easy to do TBH (if you havent done it before)
[07:23] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: it should as the paths didnt change
[07:23] <DrakeJustice> gnomefreak, i've done it on dapper, edgy, and feisty, but gutsy is giving issues...
[07:23] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: just because it doesnt say Gutsy doesnt mean it wont work it means it hasnt been updated)
[07:24] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: are you using an image you made?
[07:24] <npurciful> okay, so how do i make firefox install with out ubufox
[07:24] <gnomefreak> or one you downloaded?
[07:24] <gnomefreak> npurciful: you install firefox
[07:24] <DrakeJustice> gnomefreak, i know... it just doesn't update on gutsy, i recompiled the .so on gutsy... appropriatly
[07:24] <gnomefreak> npurciful: sudo apt-get install firefox
[07:25] <gnomefreak> npurciful: dont use aptitude and ubufox wont be installed
[07:25] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: than that is a problem with gutsy not so much the wiki
[07:25] <npurciful> i see
[07:25] <gnomefreak> DrakeJustice: i suggest filing a bug report
[07:26] <npurciful> so aptitude is trying to install recommends
[07:26] <DrakeJustice> humph... binary ppl... thankx gnomefreak
[07:26] <gnomefreak> npurciful: thats what it does
[07:26] <gnomefreak> npurciful: 13:13 <      gnomefreak > aptitude installs suggested depends and recommends  apt-get installs depends
[07:27] <npurciful> oh i miss read that
[07:28] <gnomefreak> i suggest not using aptitude unless you dont care what gets installed
[07:28] <npurciful> well thanx for understanding that for me, and the Paste bin thing is pretty cool (someting new to me)
[07:28] <penguin42> gnomefreak: If a package gets updated with a new recommend will the update system pull that in?
[07:29] <gnomefreak> penguin42: yes apt-database will be uploaded as it reads from control file anyway for most part
[07:30] <gnomefreak> debian/control is where all the depends and rec. and sug. and build-deps are located
[07:30] <gnomefreak> im sure apt reads the .dsc more so than a file
[07:30] <penguin42> yeh - it's an interesting difference between aptitude and apt
[07:31] <gnomefreak> aptitude is better for meta packages but i still use -R with it anyway
[07:31] <penguin42> -R?
[07:31] <gnomefreak> to not install recommends
[07:31] <penguin42> ah OK
[07:31] <npurciful> hum
[07:31] <gnomefreak> i have to check script if its -R or -r
[07:31] <gnomefreak> i think its -R
[07:32] <gnomefreak> -R
[07:32] <gnomefreak> penguin42: make alias;
[07:32] <gnomefreak> alias'
[07:32] <penguin42> nod
[07:32] <gnomefreak> i have ~50
[07:32] <gnomefreak> for bash
[07:33] <npurciful> i just have a few like ai (aptitude install) etc...
[07:33] <gnomefreak> npurciful: -R is neater(cleaner) ;)
[07:34] <npurciful> okay thank
[07:34] <npurciful> learn like ten new things a day.
[07:37] <npurciful> is there a way to reinstall all the pkgs installed, i notice that my live cd had fix the 'System Menu' media protocol and i tried to reinstall kubuntu-desktop-default kubuntu-desktop etc but didnt fix it so i just formated and installed
[07:38] <npurciful> or is the not really a good ideal
[07:40] <gnomefreak> npurciful: are you fully up to date?
[07:40] <npurciful> yep
[07:40] <gnomefreak> npurciful: if new ISO has updated packages, and your system is up to date you have all new packages that are on ISo
[07:40] <gnomefreak> npurciful: or am i miss understanding?
[07:43] <npurciful> yeah, my system was uptodate but i downloaded a daily live cd and the 'System menu' with the media protocol and my local install it didnt, so last nice i bakup and reinstalled via alt cd
[07:43] <npurciful> nice = nite
[07:44] <npurciful> i guess someting didnt update right
[07:51] <osmosis> how is the daily doing?  is it broken?  should I download an iso and install it ?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> osmosis: for some it is some its not depends what you have installed and what you use
[07:52] <osmosis> gnomefreak: im going to install the server version.
[07:52] <gnomefreak> osmosis: server should be fine
[07:53] <gnomefreak> osmosis: but that isnt to say it wont break later today
[07:53] <osmosis> gnomefreak: gonna have to use 386 though because i know of a bug in the amd64 that is blocking xen.
[07:53] <osmosis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/132726
[07:53] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 132726 in linux-source-2.6.22 "linux-xen for x86_64" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[07:54] <gnomefreak> osmosis: thereis alot of stuff broken and alot of stuff isnt i cant tell you what your system will have broken
[07:54] <osmosis> gnomefreak: things I apt-get aside...is the base system pretty good ?
[10:07] (hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) exactly
[10:07] (Kousotu/#ubuntu+1) that's different
[10:07] (hydrogen/#ubuntu+1) no, its exactly the same
[10:08] (Kousotu/#ubuntu+1) no it isn't
[10:08] <Kousotu> that's like saying would you stop at the burger joint, or eat the ants off the ground
[10:08] <Kousotu> wtf is gonna eat ants?
[10:10] <Kousotu> now in a comparison of Mcdonalds vs. Burgerking I don't really care whick I eat at, whever one comes up first is fine by me
[10:10] <hydrogen> exactly
[10:10] <hydrogen> wtf is gonna use gnome?
[10:10] <hydrogen> its the same exact thing!
[10:10] <Kousotu> no it isn't....
[10:11] <Kousotu> you're trying to compair apples and oranges
[10:11] <hydrogen> yes
[10:12] <hydrogen> kde is a big juicy orange
[10:12] <hydrogen> and gnome is a rotten apple
[10:12] <penguin42> now now, all to their own; this isn't #debian you know
[10:12] <Kousotu> w/e
[10:12] <hydrogen> penguin42: hey, I never said you couldn't eat a rotten apple!
[10:12] <Kousotu> that's your opinnio, not mine
[10:13] <hetauma> hmm freshly installed gutsy hangs when it tries to start X . Any ideas what causes that or that logs should I check about what happens ?
[10:13] <Kousotu> hetauma,  how long does it hang?
[10:14] <hetauma> and when I say hangs it hangs. cant ctrl+alt+backspace can't ctr+alt+f1 can't ctrl+alt+del
[10:14] <Kousotu> you can login fine, right?
[10:15] <hetauma> no I don't get any gfx
[10:15] <hetauma> just blank screen
[10:15] <Kousotu> ctrl + alt +f2
[10:15] <hetauma> nope
[10:15] <hetauma> can't get console
[10:16] <Kousotu> what gfx card?
[10:16] <hetauma> can only edit stuff through recovery mode
[10:16] <hetauma> ati
[10:16] <Kousotu> that explains it
[10:16] <hetauma> driver on xorg.conf is "ati"
[10:16] <Kousotu> !nvidia
[10:16] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:16] <hydrogen> heh
[10:16] <Kousotu> see if that helps
[10:18] <hetauma> can just the driver hang the system ? shouldn't just xserver crash ?
[10:18] <penguin42> hetauma: X servers tend to do a lot to the hardware themselves
[10:19] <penguin42> hetauma: TO be fair to them they have now seen the light and are starting to release chip details to developers
[10:20] <hetauma> yes I read
[10:20] <hetauma> 4 days now :D
[10:21] <penguin42> it might take a little longer to write and test some code :-)
[10:22] <hetauma> of course
[10:22] <hetauma> any guide to set up wireless from console ?
[10:23] <hetauma> !wireless
[10:23] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:27] <Dazgar1> hi there
[10:28] <Dazgar1> hi therehow to disable xgl in ubunto 7.10 plz ?
[10:31] <Gumby> system->preferences->appearance
[10:32] <Gumby> ->Desktop Effects
[10:34] <Dazgar1> this is not working, sorry
[10:34] <Gumby> ok
[10:34] <Dazgar1> $ ps -ef|rep Xgl
[10:34] <Dazgar1> kroyer    5907  5854  8 20:57 ?        00:08:27 Xgl -accel xv:fbo -accel glx:pbuffer :1 -nolisten tcp -fullscreen -br +xinerama
[10:35] <Dazgar1> Xgl is to slow on my computer and i experienced several crash (mplayer, totem,...)
[10:36] <Dazgar1> the last time i updated, i saw a alert about Xgl beeig the default option from now on, and to disable it, i shall edit/created a file in ~/.config
[10:37] <Dazgar1> but  i don't remember the exxact path
[10:38] <hetauma> is there any gutsy desktop cd or just alternatives?
[10:40] <cutekat> hetauma: eh?
[10:40] <cutekat> there are certainly livecd's?
[10:40] <cutekat> !release
[10:40] <ubotu> Ubuntu releases a new version every 6 months. Each version is supported for 18 months to 5 years. More info at http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/releases & http://wiki.ubuntu.com/TimeBasedReleases
[10:42] <cutekat> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[10:42] <cutekat> see? all kinda images there :>
[10:49] <hydrogen> or http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/
[10:57] <osmosis> im switching my server from feisty to gutsy now. see if it works.
[10:59] <penguin42> osmosis: Remember it still has bugs; so be careful if it is on your server!
[11:00] <osmosis> penguin42: yah...ill be pissed if it doesnt work, but mostly just because of my time. its not a live server.
[11:00] <hydrogen> so don't do it
[11:00] <hydrogen> if your going to be disappointed if it doesn't work
[11:01] <dajhorn> Dazgar1:  Run `sudo apt-get remove xserver-xgl`.  The configuration panel for XGL is broken for me too.
[11:14] <osmosis> is apparmor broken right now in the repos ?
[11:14] <luis_lopez> How do I verify that upstart is correctly configured in gutsy?
[11:14] <boojah_> anyone know if there is a packet for emerald-themes in gutsy?
[11:24] <osmosis> boojah_: as far as I recall there is
[11:25] <boojah_> osmosis: i tried checking the gutsy debs, but the one i find there wont install here, i depends on a package thats only available in feisty
[11:27] <boojah_> osmosis: that is gutsy have a newer version that wont match. if i start replacing who know how far back i must go :P
[11:37] <SeveredCross> boojah_: You should be able to install emerald-themes from Feisty without any dependencies.
[11:37] <SeveredCross> I did.
[11:38] <SeveredCross> I just grabbed the deb from packages.ubuntu.com or whatever the page is.
[11:54] <magnetron> will gutsy include the 2.6.23 kernel?
[11:54] <SeveredCross> Mmm....To be totally honest, I doubt it.
[11:54] <SeveredCross> When's the kernel due out?
[11:54] <magnetron> end of this month
[11:54] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[11:54] <SeveredCross> Then maybe.
[11:55] <SeveredCross> But we're past feature freeze, I don't know if the kernel will get pushed through.
[11:55] <SeveredCross> If it makes significant improvements, I imagine they will.
[11:55] <slackern> In worst case there are quite good guides on compiling your own kernels in ubuntu, http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_ubuntu
[11:56] <magnetron> hmm. it includes the completely fair scheduler, it could possibly provide significant responsiveness improvements
[11:57] <magnetron> ty slackern
[11:57] <slackern> I was reading on that page just 15 minutes ago since i was a little curious on it too
[11:58] <SeveredCross> Argh.
[11:58] <SeveredCross> Partition work is so slow.
[12:00] <afief> how can i upgrade my existing feisty to gutsy?
[12:01] <slackern> hehe can't uninstall apache2 package, it's uninstalled but it refuses to remove it, rebooted once and just noticed it's still up and running :)
[12:02] <afief> slackern, nothing beats manual removal:P
[12:02] <slackern> i'll just keep it installed maybe some broken package i guess
[12:03] <SeveredCross> afief: sudo update-manager -d
[12:04] <slackern> bah, time for a little tv and snuggle with a pillow in the couch, have fun :)
[12:27] <jtt> anyone having problems with the install process on kubuntu daily dist a/o today
[12:28] <jtt> it wont get past scanning disks for me on two differnt cd's
[12:30] <nalioth> are you confirming md5 checksums, jtt ?
[12:30] <nalioth> are you burning at 4x or less?
[12:30] <jtt> nal
[12:30] <nalioth> if 'yes' then, sometimes it 'just be's that way'
[12:30] <jtt> nalioth, yes confirming  md5 and check disk at boot
[12:31] <jtt> nalioth, no not burning < 4x about 8x
[12:31] <nalioth> try burning at 4x or less
[12:31] <jtt> nalioth, ok i can try that and see what happens
[12:31] <jtt> nalioth, is there some issue with >4x
[12:32] <nalioth> jtt: since Warty Warthog  :)
[12:32] <nalioth> not sure why, but burning faster than 4x seems to make a lot of Ubuntu coasters
[12:32] <jtt> nalioth, ok thanks, i have not had that problem until now, but I will try your suggestions thanks
[12:32] <afief> how can i upgrade my existing feisty to gutsy?
[12:33] <nalioth> !upgrade
[12:33] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[12:33] <nalioth> afief: and you get to keep the pieces  :)
[12:34] <jtt> afief, i never upgrade, always new install on different slice and backfill
[12:34] <afief> jtt, that's not an option for me right now:(
[12:34] <afief> nalioth, that page contains no info on 7.04->7.10
[12:34] <jtt> afief, then wait until after october 18 until the full blessed release of gutsy
[12:34] <nalioth> afief: because 7.10 isn't official yet
[12:35] <afief> jtt, also not an option. I'm so out of options that I tried to install gentoo and gave up after 24 hours of compiling. I'm used to dealing with ubuntu betas though
[12:35] <jtt> afief, cant you squeeze about 5-7gb out of current area with parted and put gutsy on it
[12:36] <osmosis> what is AppArmor
[12:36] <afief> nalioth, will it be enough if I do a s/feisty/gutsy/ on sources.list?
[12:36] <jtt> osmosis, believe it is the new server hardening functions
[12:36] <afief> jtt, there is nothing on the HDD that's worth backing up anyway
[12:37] <jtt> afief, ok plow ahead then :)
[12:37] <nalioth> afief: why not wait until the official release? upgrades can be dicey this far away from release
[12:37] <jtt> note too that tribe6 is bug fix not new relase
[12:38] <afief> nalioth, I need some stuff that's in gutsy and not in feisty, I already ruined the system trying to compile it by hand, and I need it for a college project handout
[12:39] <afief> ummm... so how do i upgrade from 7.04 to 7.10?
[12:41] <nalioth> afief: same way you upgrade from any other distro
[12:41] <nalioth> have you set up deb-src to gutsy and tried to compile the official packages?
[12:41] <nalioth> with apt-get ?
[12:43] <osmosis> why is  ubuntu-xen-server  installing   nvidia-kernel-common   ?
[12:43] <afief> nalioth, sorry I don't know what that would mean:S
[12:43] <afief> nalioth, (the deb src I mean)
[12:44] <nalioth> afief: you can call apt-get to build you packages from source
[12:44] <nalioth> afief: this produces official packages
[12:45] <nalioth> tailored for your system
[12:45] <osmosis> why doesn't this work ?  https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+search?text=ubuntu-xen-server
[12:45] <afief> nalioth, is there a place I can read up on it or can you explain it quickly?
[12:45] <osmosis> or this  https://launchpad.net/projects/?text=ubuntu-xen-server&x=0&y=0
[12:45] <nalioth> afief: it's on the web.  it's a common apt-get thing
[12:46] <osmosis> this is why i hate launchpad
[12:47] <gnomefreak> osmosis: that most likely wont be fixed until next kernel release but you should really ask in #ubuntu-motu or if you are brave #ubuntu-kernel
[12:48] <osmosis> gnomefreak: cool
[12:48] <osmosis> gnomefreak: i find launchpad impossible to use, so i dont have a way to check if these are known issues.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> osmosis: they are search for kernel in bugs and scroll :)
[12:50] <kevinO> hello all, this morning when i left before work i put my computer into suspend, when i came back my screen resolution is all messed up, right now I am at 640x480 and i usually run at 1280x1024, there is no option for that.
[12:52] <kevinO> Any idea what going on anyone?
[12:54] <osmosis> gnomefreak: how about this one...on bootup,  * Preparing restricted drivers...   mkdir: cannot create directory '/lib/modules/2.6.22-11-xen/volatile' : Read-only file system  [fail] 
[12:59] <osmosis> great....vim-full wants to install    libgnomecanvas2-0 libgnomecanvas2-common libgnomeui-0 libgnomeui-common libgnomevfs2-0 libgnomevfs2-common libgtk2.0-0
[01:03] <kevinO> does anyone know why i only have 640x480 screen resolution now?
[01:06] <jtt> kevinO, what disto and version
[01:07] <kevinO> jtt: i have gutsy gibbon, the lates version i assume, i only got it three days ago
[01:09] <jtt> kevinO, do you know how to edit your xorg.conf file
[01:09] <kevinO> yes
[01:10] <jtt> kevinO, ok hold on a sec
[01:10] <kevinO> I was thinking the problem may have been a bug in gutsy, cause i didnt do anything to cause it
[01:11] <jtt> kevinO, i had this problem several times on a new laptop with feisty
[01:11] <jtt> kevinO, the solution is that I always make a copy of my /etc/X11/xorg.conf in case of such problems
[01:12] <jtt> kevinO, in any case your screen section has probably been rewritten i dont know by what
[01:12] <kevinO> so im guessing that the problem starts when i put my computer into suspend mode
[01:12] <jtt> kevinO, yes i assuem if it is gutsy
[01:13] <jtt> kevinO, however i have seen xorg.conf rewritten for various ridiculous reasons
[01:13] <jtt> kevinO, in any case copy the existing xorg.conf to another file
[01:14] <jtt> kevinO, then edit it and  find the screen section and see if you have the 600x800 in it
[01:14] <kevinO> ok i will try that