[01:20] Hi, all... does anybody knows how to get gnash to work with Firefox [01:21] the mozilla plugin package don't work :( [01:22] actually I want to use the flash nonfree plugin but since I use an x86_64 machine and the package linux32 is broken I cannot [01:24] Anybody? [01:26] hi [01:26] igorgue: have you got absolutely the latest ia32-libs package? [01:27] no, but the problem with linux32 is that it is asking me to remove unix-utils [01:27] igorgue: They fixed a missing libXcomposite package yesterday [01:27] (I don't think that's is a good thing to do) [01:27] let me check [01:28] igorgue: I don't have the linux32 package installed any more but I seem to have a linux32 binary [01:29] It seems to be in util-linux [01:29] penguin42, I have the latest ia32libs packages [01:29] yeah util-linux [01:30] the problem is that without linux32 you cant run the nonfree flash plugin [01:30] since it use nspluginwrapper [01:30] nspluginwrapper might need the linux32 command but it doesn't need the linux32 package === Ahadiel [n=ahadiel@S010600131042857c.vc.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:31] I have nspluginwrapper installed here [01:31] penguin42, how come? === albert23 [n=albert@86.81.99.204] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [01:31] but It don't work [01:31] do you have an x86_64 machine? [01:32] yes [01:32] OMG, it was so easy... [01:32] jeje thanks [01:32] huh? [01:32] now I can see youtube :) [01:33] I don't know what update asked me for remove the nspluginwrapper === rockets [n=rockets@pool-70-107-156-239.ny325.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:34] igorgue: There have been some changes in the last few days; the linux32 package disappeared and new libraries keep appearing in ia32-libs [01:35] one more question, penguin42, when you are watching youtube, in order to move the seak button twice you have to click outside the flash video player right? [01:36] sometimes - there seems to be a long standing problem with nspluginwrapper sometimes losing clicks [01:36] sometimes? [01:36] I have that problem everytime [01:36] i haven't had any trouble with nspluginwrapper vs native flash on 32 [01:36] i know of a window focus problem, seems to be Flash itself (click on flash window and that window is focused, defocusing your browser) [01:36] are you running compiz? [01:37] ahh yeah [01:37] maybe is that [01:37] Wow [01:37] igorgue: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nspluginwrapper/+bug/108733 [01:37] Anybody checked out the latest ReactOS build? [01:37] Launchpad bug 108733 in firefox "flash losing clicks with desktop effects enabled" [Undecided,Confirmed] [01:37] its come a long way [01:37] rockets, eh? what about it? [01:37] hopefully some of it will get into wine === tretle [n=tretle@A-105-44.cust.iol.ie] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:37] igorgue: So we've never quite been convinced whether that is compiz related or not but it does look like there is a fix upstream but it mightbe too late [01:37] xtknight, its not useless anymore! [01:37] lol [01:37] could someone help me with a grub issue? === xtknight parties [01:37] ;) [01:37] rockets: How not useless? [01:37] yes it is compiz related [01:38] Can it play minesweeper yet? [01:38] xtknight, it can play unreal tournament and quake 3 [01:38] lol [01:38] well my "wine" did ut2004 out of the box actually [01:38] I'm using it without compiz and it works [01:38] can it play warsow yet [01:38] igorgue: Yeh that's why I reported it like that, but some have said they had it without compiz [01:38] xtknight, yes but this is a full fledged windows clone. im not saying we should all use it as our OS, just that its cool [01:38] but really, why not ut and q3 native ? [01:38] ahh yeah [01:38] wow... compiz need a lot of fixes :( [01:39] rockets: Which version of Windows does it claim to clone? [01:39] could someone help me with a grub issue? [01:39] please :D [01:39] igorgue, i agree. compiz is very buggy for me [01:40] so penguin42, for the RMS fans... gnash doesn't work at all in firefox(ubuntu) right? [01:40] penguin42, NT 5.1 [01:40] penguin42, working on NT 5.2 [01:40] 5.2 is vista i think [01:40] penguin42, on top of that it has some semblence of a package manager, unlike window [01:40] windows* [01:40] gnash? [01:40] vista=6, svr 2003=5.2 [01:41] rockets: That's interesting - because as I understand it what Wine was emulating was far behind that [01:41] hmm wonder how blackcomb(7.0) will be [01:41] er 6.1 [01:41] penguin42, it is. :-D [01:41] penguin42, not that wine isnt fantastic [01:41] well, it isn't [01:41] but wine is basically windows 98 + some specific patches to make new stuff work [01:41] i want virtualization that can directly access GPU h/w === penguin42 looks around the tool shelf - hmm that should do === penguin42 strikes xtknight with a 32lb sledgehammer [01:42] penguin42, gnash the other flash player [01:42] xtknight: You really don't want things frobbing your GPU direclty [01:42] igorgue: Oh, I might have tried that once - but I want my flash stuff to work [01:42] penguin42, well, i do, because i'm crazy, but that doesn't mean people who actually need reliable PCs need it ;) === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:42] penguin42, the same here :) [01:43] xtknight: Oh that's OK then [01:43] penguin42, it just was frustration since the non-free player didn't work for me :D [01:43] paravirt for amd64 yet ? [01:44] Does anyone know if Gutsy Kubuntu will ship with compiz enabled as well (since Gutsy Ubuntu will be?) [01:44] igorgue: So I find that sometimes flash stops working and I have to restart firefox; I also sometimes use it in konqueror and that works OK; but sometimes I find it doesn't and I have to do a killall kio_http - I assume this is nswrapper related [01:45] adobe sucks!!!... why they don't have a 64 bits version of the flash player [01:45] jeje... the funny of this is that Windows 64bits users can't install it :D [01:46] true if they use IE64 [01:48] jeje hey gnash didn't work in firefox and with konqueror the youtube player don't work [01:49] anyone deleted a file and trash icon hasn't updated? === asla1 [n=Sara@cpe-70-123-220-16.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:50] xtknight, sometimes that happens with some themes === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:50] igorgue, hmm i'll check into it. i thought a "trash full" icon existed, if that's what you mean. it's sporadic [01:51] igorgue: It's hard work to bother doing the port and maintain it and keep it tested; it's more of a madness that nspluginwrapper is not the standard way of doing things and that plugins are always 32bit [01:51] compiling flash for 64bit shouldnt be that difficult, should it? (doesn't seem to be a low level program) [01:51] penguin42: does nsplugginwrapper work with java ? [01:52] asla1: No [01:52] penguin42, I know thats why I like it... because only in ubuntu we have flash in 64bits *almost* out of the box [01:52] xtknight: If they are lucky and they've been careful everywhere then they won't have any 64bit bugs [01:52] dang, I'm using it for flash, but I had to install firefox32 for java [01:52] and it's just frustrating [01:52] asla1: Use konqueror for java stuff; it uses an external java binary [01:52] IMHO the right way [01:53] penguin42: hrmm intersting [01:53] igorgue: what do you mean 64 bit *almost* out of the box ? [01:53] are you talking about nsplugginwrapper too ? [01:53] err.. pluginwrapper [01:54] asla1, it have some bugs... well as we discussed before it was a compiz problem [01:54] so... never mind === penguin42 had an argument with someone about getting mozilla to do it the same way as konq but they really thought it was a bad idea [01:55] anyone else's trash icon take ~5 secs to pop up? click it and see how long it takes for nautilus [01:55] xtknight: Less than a second here [01:55] xtknight: does the same thing happen if you login as another user ? [01:56] asla1, not sure [01:56] xtknight, like 1/2 a sec... [01:56] xtknight: Do you have any USB storage devices plugged in? [01:56] my trash is also not registering as full [01:56] xtknight, I have a good machine :P [01:56] me too [01:56] xtknight: how full is your trash can ? [01:57] no usb plugged in [01:57] might take a little longer to get the directory listing [01:57] no usb devices at lest [01:57] trash has 2 items [01:57] hrmm === stefg [n=stefg@e179147035.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [01:57] nautilus trash:/// [01:57] doing this is instananeous for me [01:57] clicking the Trash icon, is not [01:59] Odd. [01:59] test with other user acct brb === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === xtknight [n=xtknight@c-68-43-122-211.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:01] ya doesn't happen on this act [02:01] acct [02:01] i believe my old acct was Feisty, but someone upgrading may experience the issues [02:04] Fast user switching is awesome [02:04] i didnt like it === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Dont use development version of Ubuntu on production systems | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | For support for Dapper,Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | For tribe 6 info, see http://tinyurl.com/3ytk9g === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by Hobbsee at Fri Sep 7 08:48:13 2007 === martalli [n=martalli@74.93.236.185] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Poul^Laptop [n=raider@82.211.215.13] has joined #ubuntu+1 === amr [n=amr@41.205.121.129] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:12] when i try to share a folder i get this message 'net usershare' returned error 255: net usershare: usershares are currently disabled . I am usig\ng gusty [04:15] Does /var/lib/samba/usershares/ exist? [04:15] And is it writable by your user? === gib [n=gib@c-24-118-4-13.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === contrast83 [n=mike@adsl-074-236-242-009.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:18] Is there a problem with encryption in the 64-bit version of Firefox. I just installed Gutsy 64-bit on my uncle's new system and it doesn't work with his bank. He has another system running firefox on 32-bit Feisty, and it works fine. === Pici [n=Pici@unaffiliated/pici] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:20] Greets, everyone... [04:20] Does anyone know if it's possible to get a package made with Checkinstall to work with an APTonCD disc? === fnf [n=VAnhTu19@58.187.121.218] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Paddy_EIRE_ [n=patrick@78.144.81.237] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fnf [n=VAnhTu19@58.187.121.218] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Paddy_EIRE [n=patrick@78.144.81.237] has joined #ubuntu+1 === OSUKid7 [n=OSUKid7@acm.bw.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hoora40 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-a7838fd08781665b] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kevinO [n=kevin@66-227-221-83.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === IdleOne [n=idleone@unaffiliated/idleone] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jamesh_install [n=jamesh@adsl-211-139-224.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === kalpik [n=kalpik@122.162.159.3] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fnf [n=vanhtu19@58.187.121.218] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === fnf [n=vanhtu19@58.187.121.218] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Leaving"] [05:15] dosbox === flaccid [n=bob_sinc@dev.ionata.com] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Konversation] [05:17] !ubuntu [05:17] Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com [05:17] err, sorry, wrong room. heh === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:22] glxinfo is segfaulting on me. glxgears just hangs (no window comes up), and Compiz obviously isn't working. Any ideas? [05:23] Everything was working fine just a couple days ago, and I have *no idea* what could be causing this. :-\ === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:31] Anybody here using Parallels on ubuntu? I'm wondering how it compares to vmware [05:31] contrast83: for the apt on cd / checkinstall question, you can make a little repo: help.ubuntu.com/community/Repository/Personal [05:31] *repositories === Telep [n=telep@a81-197-164-45.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:33] nickrud: well, the problem i'm having is after i add the aptoncd disc as a repo, when i open synaptic, it gives an error for a checkinstall package, something to the effect of "couldn't parse depencies: Required". i tried re-doing the package with checkinstall and adding dependencies for it but it wouldn't let me. === osirisx13 [n=osiris@24-240-25-160.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:33] contrast83: oh, it's actually trying to build a little repo. You'd have to make a real package, I guess [05:34] hey guys, how stable is gutsy? if i wanted to update right now to it, would i have any major problems? [05:34] nickrud: ok, thanks for the info. [05:34] osirisx13, you might, or you might not :-D [05:34] contrast83: yw, but it wasn't much ;( [05:35] nickrud: after asking the same question repeatedly for nearly an hour, the tiniest bit of confirmation is all i need. :-) [05:35] how can i tell it to update to gutsy? [05:35] !update [05:35] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes [05:36] ty [05:36] probably not particularly good for gutsy though [05:36] will having third-party repos enabled cause problems when upgrading to a new release? [05:36] ..yeah.. [05:36] how do i update to gutsy [05:36] osirisx13: k/ubuntu? [05:36] u [05:37] contrast83: better to disable first. Probably wouldn't matter but ... [05:39] this dodge window shifting is so cool it's ludicrous [05:40] i figured. last time i tried to upgrade, things didn't go well at all. fortunately, i had a seperate partition for /home so i just reinstalled without much hassle === Tenso [n=root@32.168.104.248] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:41] well, i'm off. peace out, y'all === masterloki [n=mloki@75.80.5.221] has joined #ubuntu+1 === zach [n=zach@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets_ [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tenso [n=root@32.168.104.248] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tenso [n=root@32.168.61.242] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === joetheodd [n=joe@dpc674776052.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p54A1C939.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === phixnay [n=phix@pool-70-108-32-161.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:08] hi [06:09] I'm upgrading to gutsy, but update-manager -d says I am up to date [06:09] I have 0.59.23 [06:11] phixnay: 0.59.23 of what? [06:11] update manager [06:11] ah. [06:12] for some reason it doesn't find the dist upgrade [06:16] Someone could check it for you. I probably should stick to the kubuntu upgrade instructions [06:17] you need to touch a file somewhere [06:17] to tell it about it [06:17] have you enalbed -proposed? === alex_mayorga [n=osito@189.156.196.251] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:18] yes [06:18] all the repo boxes in synaptic are checked [06:18] anyone seeing the Update Manager going to the limbo more often? === Tenso [n=root@32.168.0.206] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:19] hydrogen: /var/lib/update-manager/meta-release ? [06:19] yea === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === qbjunkie [n=Qube@S0106000ea6be3878.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:20] I'll look for internet instructions === Tenso [n=root@32.168.0.206] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:20] ah, looks like there are lots of bugs about that issue [06:21] !bluetooth [06:21] For instructions on how to set up bluetooth, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BluetoothSetup === sid [n=unstable@tor/regular/sid] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === Falstius [n=jeff@c-24-11-53-75.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:22] anyone knows the Bluetooth chanel from upstream? [06:22] I mean the IRC channel [06:22] if any === Tsukasa [n=ubuntu@75.111.128.37] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:22] hey guys, why doesnt the livecd have xchat installed on it by default [06:23] anyways, can someone help me install gutsy on my raid0 array === Falstius [n=jeff@c-24-11-53-75.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [06:24] anyone having to kill -9 update-manager lately? === Tenso [n=root@32.168.0.206] has joined #ubuntu+1 === vega- [n=mikko@lotus.puolikuu.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:26] phixnay: i wouldnt bet that -proposed is in teh repo list === Tenso [n=root@32.168.6.103] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:28] it's the third one under the "updates" tab, isn't it? [06:28] Hobbsee: ^ === PWill [n=paul@unaffiliated/pwill] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:29] phixnay: i have no idea, i dont run synaptic. [06:29] check your sources list === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ionstorm [n=ion@71-35-60-24.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:38] can someone please help me install ubuntu on a raid-0 [06:38] gutsy [06:38] im on the livecd currently, i have dmraid installed... === dajhorn [n=chatzill@cpe-76-183-5-187.tx.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jimmacdonald [n=jim@138-212-223-66.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:07] how would i enable exa in xorg.conf? where is it now that the gui thing is there for editing xorg.conf? === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === am2g5_1 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-053-042.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jussi01 [n=jussi@oul088-gw3.netplaza.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-18-118.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:39] Any kubuntu gutsy testers around? === Jettis [n=h0h0@a88-112-65-238.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 === borg_ [n=olaf@80.149.17.21] has joined #ubuntu+1 === marcel [n=marcel@lt3.xs4all.nl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 === HLM [n=HLM@S01060010dc7ffbeb.no.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === HLM [n=HLM@S01060010dc7ffbeb.no.shawcable.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === coNP_ [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@213.251.133.67] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:01] FunnyLookinHat: yep === coNP_ is now known as asisak === sen3 [n=sen@ha.customer.antwerpen.belnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === am8110lt [n=armin@dslb-084-058-018-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === coNP is now known as asisak === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Fracture [n=cameronb@203-217-12-139.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:33] :( gutsy latest still has a black window bug for nvidia [08:35] hrm.. and panel applets are all crashing === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.202.22] has joined #ubuntu+1 === am8110lt [n=armin@dslb-084-058-018-025.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tenso [n=root@32.168.95.108] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Fracture [n=cameronb@203-217-12-139.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:39] and firefox 'fades to black' if I open 3 windows === mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === michael__ [n=michael@pool-71-115-219-233.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [08:48] has the power unplugging problem been fixed [08:49] where it makes the screen backlight turn off on laptops === _sidd [n=sid@lre-west-3-146.usahousing.utah.edu] has joined #ubuntu+1 === EqUaTe [i=agamemno@cpc2-lewi9-0-0-cust907.bmly.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@a89-182-31-8.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu+1 === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _eMaX_ [n=emax@105.62.76.83.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Frost^ [n=sweiss@DSL217-132-182-147.bb.netvision.net.il] has joined #ubuntu+1 === jsomers [n=jsomers@d5152D0CE.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 === rockets [n=rockets@pool-71-247-28-40.nycmny.east.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === yafeb [n=bfay@ax213-1-82-66-156-47.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Ilokaasu [n=matti@dsl-tkubras1-ff21c300-47.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #ubuntu+1 === darx [n=darx@82-37-17-42.cable.ubr03.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:13] I need to stop apache and mysql from running at startup.. how can I do so [09:15] I could put a script in rc,local or init.d but then that would be stopping something thats already started. I want to speed up my startup. Its taking ages. === kling0n [n=kling0n@0405ds1-ynoe.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 === AnRkey [n=AnRkey@host-83-146-42-229.bulldogdsl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:20] does the compiz blacklist feature stop ATI's from running compiz or what does it do? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:25] AnRkey, compiz blacklist? [09:26] Version 1:0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu3: [09:26] * debian/compiz.wrapper: [09:26] - support pci id based blacklisting and add rv480 to [09:26] the blacklist === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:26] yesterday i saw something about ati something or other had been blacklisted [09:26] just wanted to know what they are saying? [09:27] i was just hoping someone had blacklisted compiz but i guess that was false hope [09:27] nanonyme, u don't like the bling machine? [09:28] it's not that. it breaks things in linux === coNP is now known as asisak [09:28] true, but the sooner everyone is using it the sooner those broken bits get fixed [09:28] no program should be allowed to prevent the user from using opengl if he so wishes [09:28] i have a nice little opengl workaround anyhow for games and other [09:29] imo compiz should only be enabled if the user says so in the installer [09:29] and the user should be warned what it can cause [09:30] that is, ubuntu installer [09:30] or maybe allow an option not to use it by default instead of an option to enable it [09:31] that way everyone would be happy and compiz would only be used by the users who know what they're doing [09:31] i like the idea of more people using it [09:31] why? === mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:31] well whenever some1 sees me using compiz on my machine i end up burning an ubuntu disk for them [09:31] so much less talking :D [09:32] and you don't tell them about the downsides? [09:32] no [09:32] sounds a bit irresponsible [09:32] not of the problems stop the machine from working (here at least) [09:33] plus compiz has come a long long way [09:33] compiz and beryl affect things like 3d acceleration in movies and wine [09:33] and it's only getting better [09:34] well i love throwing my ultravnc window around while I wait for remote systems to install bits and bytes [09:34] it's like my stress toy :D [09:34] never notices a slowdown in wine [09:34] yes, it just simply usually stops working altogether [09:34] however cedega almost stops bf2 if i have compiz on [09:34] compiz is the most common error source in wine [09:35] laggy but works [09:35] or rather: wine is very efficient in finding bugs in compiz === mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:35] so i run metacity --replace & [09:35] then the game [09:35] then compiz --replace & [09:35] i normally put that in a script that runs each game for me [09:35] (although i was told that most of the bugs exist because of bad design in X11) [09:36] something that does bug me is not all aps do window manager hints so well with compiz [09:36] and when thunderbird opens an email it does not bring it to the front [09:36] double clicking an email should open it above the other windows [09:37] heh [09:37] my fix for that is to set thunderbird to open each email in a separate window === mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:37] works now [09:38] but you see if i was not testing allot and others did not test allot these bits would not get fixed [09:38] yeah, that's true also for vista [09:38] it's just a teething process (imhho) [09:38] so everyone using windows xp should be told to use vista, right? [09:38] vista = biggest ever beta test [09:38] so we get rid of the bugs [09:39] indeed [09:39] so is compiz [09:39] true [09:39] or at least it can be if it's enabled by default [09:39] but they say it at least unlike M$ [09:39] why should the average linux user be forced to do beta testing? [09:39] i do like seeing the improvements with each upgrade [09:40] so far the last 3 have fixed bits that make me wanna kill furry cute animals [09:40] so yeah, it's all getting better :) [09:41] that's not the issue. why would the average user who probably only wants to use office and browsers be forced to do beta testing and bug hunting? === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.212.20] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:41] well i think we should have it's pretty stable by 7:10 [09:41] we hope we have it stable by then [09:41] the ATI support is killing me though [09:42] imo the decision should only be made if it is stable [09:42] but that's ATI's fault me thinks [09:42] true === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:44] something that thrills me is that the average desktop PC is now shipping with 3d harware and it's only getting better === coNP [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:45] yes, a good way to use that is use the 3d hardware for designing medicine [09:45] or gaming [09:45] there are grid projects that use the GPU's in computers [09:45] :D [09:45] grid projects? [09:46] running for kfe quick [09:46] brb [09:46] grid is like outsourcing cpu time. something needs to be calculated but the people don't have fast enough cpu's so they use a grid to calculate it [09:48] in old days you needed to pay to get cpu time but nowadays individuals donate their cpu and gpu time for common good === mikl [n=mikl@pdpc/supporter/active/mikl] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-58-223.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === ankitag [i=chatzill@nat/yahoo/x-1ff96d427a1737ee] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-58-223.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-58-223.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [09:59] nanonyme: i urge u guyz not to release till its ready. [09:59] even if you have to skip a cycle [09:59] feisty was royally borked, and is only now becoming stable tbh [10:00] shoot edgy is still better than feisty, just for a few things its nice to have later packages.... === buzztracker [n=buzztrac@pelikan.garga.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:01] cutekat, i'm not going to release anything. i'm just talking not to it pre-decided that beryl/compiz should be enabled in the new ubuntu by default [10:01] not to have even [10:03] nanonyme: it defaintely should not be [10:03] enabled that is [10:03] cutekat, i've heard it will be the way things are going [10:03] and there should be a terminal command to disable the thing via console [10:03] nanonyme: intel has more chipsets in laptops integrated than either nvidia or ati [10:04] and everyone with intel with desktop effects is gonna be a big wtf [10:04] can you say no video support whatsoever? [10:04] and no clear way to get it? [10:04] tho one can go no xv, one needs to know to do that. [10:05] hmm, i'm not sure about that side, intel driver support is getting better quite fast afaik [10:05] some people even think intel will be the dominant 3d card producer on linux side eventually [10:05] and thats really not a good solution - makes the vids take up 3x the cpu that they would use otherwise [10:05] i'm currently using an mplayer from trevhino from feisty to get xv working. [10:05] there is no patch for totem or the rest. [10:05] sad. [10:05] so we're talking what, 42-43% of the laptop market will be effected? [10:06] sure [10:06] but the players + compiz wont work very well - try switching stuff to no xv and watch the cpu differences [10:06] its staggering. [10:06] yups [10:06] especially for someone with anything but the absolute latest and darn decent hw [10:07] i've yet to find the correct place of debate. unsure if the argument should be here, newsletters or forums [10:07] so if they didnt shell out 1500-1800 for the lappy watching a simple vid is gonna lag system in compiz [10:07] nanonyme: combo [10:07] #ubuntu-devs is one spot i think for talking to devs [10:07] but be prepaired to be eaten for lunch [10:07] there are various offtopics [10:08] heh [10:08] and launchpad the heck out of any bugs. [10:08] start threads in forums and bump existing ones === arooni__ [n=arooni__@c-67-183-138-62.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:08] email devs etc [10:08] zomg [10:08] so many updates [10:08] what changed? [10:08] nothing has crashed yet.... ;p === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-71-198-55-219.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === omha [n=kmk@83.73.217.165.ip.tele2adsl.dk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:09] hey [10:09] cutekat, btw, also heard that there are issues with compiz that can only be solved be partly redesigning X11 [10:10] how can i get my turn screen light up and down to work on my laptop? [10:10] you could spend all day [10:10] nanonyme, EXA ? === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:11] i don't remember the issue anymore. i should have logging on #winehq. most of the problems with compiz/beryl/composite i've heard about are talked about there === pecisk [n=pecisk@78.84.125.9] has joined #ubuntu+1 === etnoy [n=etnoy@nl-216-243.netlogon.liu.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:12] omha: thats exactly what not releasing something is all about. [10:12] certainly not in such a visible place as appearance - at least put it in an out of the way area [10:12] and i think its high time they included a front end for screen res in that same front end :P [10:15] and dont get me wrong nanonyme [10:15] cutekat, yea [10:15] cutekat, but having compiz default is a major selling point [10:15] even if it just works partially [10:16] i think that compiz-fusion is just about the kewlest thing to happen to linux in the last couple years [10:16] looks-wise i mean [10:16] ive converted half dozen on the merits of compiz-fusion alone lol.... === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@cpc1-rdng12-0-0-cust973.winn.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:16] cutekat, are there problems with gutsy low default settings ? [10:16] me too, i liked it when i used it. it will probably be just great when it's mature [10:16] omha: then the patched versions of files MUST be readily avaliable. [10:17] cutekat, huh? my internet dies for a min [10:17] omha: when compiz is the wm with intel you cannot watch vids using xv [10:17] and thats a MAJOR problem. [10:17] are there any known issues with nm-applet and or ndiswrapper? [10:17] there is no official package to fix that [10:17] omha: some? [10:17] oh === allbert [n=allberto@124.82.115.16] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:17] cutekat, it cant connect [10:17] cutekat, to wifi [10:18] om restart networking. [10:18] cutekat, iwconfig works great [10:18] or did it ever connect [10:18] it never could connect [10:18] ah [10:18] wep key? [10:18] just stood there and looked stupid and asks for my wifi key mulitple times [10:18] yea [10:18] good luck === asisak [n=conp@ubuntu/member/coNP] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:19] sounds like yet another bug in the graphic tools... [10:19] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/WiFiHowTo [10:19] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=318539 [10:19] see if those help omha [10:20] cutekat, well it worked in feisty [10:20] cutekat, and i think the rt2500usb driver is broken in gutsy [10:20] hmm [10:20] launchpad :) [10:21] did you keep a copy of the feisty /etc/networking/interfaces ? [10:21] nope [10:21] [this is why gutsy is my secondary install lol] [10:21] its my primary :D [10:21] i read primary as only [10:21] i got to frigging sick of XP === grumpymole [n=warren@c211-28-135-80.lowrp2.vic.optusnet.com.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === etnoy [n=etnoy@nl-216-243.netlogon.liu.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 [10:22] lol [10:22] very common story [10:22] :> [10:23] can you imagine how much software we could pack in if we used as much space as vista? [10:23] lol [10:23] seriously tho we should go to minidvd instead of cd soon [10:23] ~1.4GB [10:24]