[12:14] <synic> failed to open trace file: [Errno 13]  Permission denied: '/root/.bzr.log'
[12:14] <synic> I get that when trying to perform most operations
[12:14] <synic> I assume it's a common error?
[12:19] <jelmer> synic: nope - are you running bzr as root?
[12:19] <synic> no
[12:19] <synic> never have.
[12:19] <synic> it just started happening, on all my machines
[12:20] <jelmer> since when ? upgrade to a new version of bzr?
[12:21] <synic> I haven't upgraded anything, unless a security release broke it
[12:25] <fullermd> Sounds more like it's running as a non-root user, who has /root as $HOME.
[12:26] <jelmer> I suspect something else has changed in your environment.. does "printenv | grep /root" print anything?
[12:30] <synic> no, nothing
[02:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139722 in bzr "Bzr not installed into path via windows installer" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139722
[04:20] <spiv> Anyway here have a live.gnome.org wiki login already?  http://live.gnome.org/BzrForGnomeDevelopers says "bzr 0.9" when it means "bzr 0.90".
[04:21] <fullermd> I dunno.  I'd like to see somebody using bzr 0.9 and bzr-svn 0.4.2...   it just takes a little hacking.
[04:22] <jelmer> spiv: I've got one, will fix it
[04:23] <spiv> jelmer: thanks!
[04:23] <spiv> (I have more than enough accounts on random wikis and things already...)
[04:23] <jelmer> :-)
[07:18] <sri> so.. how is performance these days.. can we compete against git?  just curious
[07:19] <sri> and btw hi, long time no see.
[07:31] <D-Pain> performance is a lot better IMO for day to day usage...
[07:31] <D-Pain> stuff like status, diff, ci are a lot more acceptable
[07:31] <D-Pain> but networking speed still needs work IMO
[09:01] <Peng> Commit is "a lot more acceptable"? Is it better than it was a month ago?
[09:01] <Peng> Say, ten times better?
[09:04] <spiv> Peng: talk to lifeless when he's around
[09:05] <spiv> Peng: he's been making some massive improvements to commit, although most of that won't be seen until the 0.92 release in about a month.
[09:44] <Peng> A couple months ago, I had 3-minute commits for my homedir. I converted it to hg and now they're 15 or 20 seconds.
[09:45] <Peng> Commit improvements and the C patiencediff should help.
[09:45] <Peng> (bzr diff took 30 seconds)
[09:45] <Peng> (on one file)
[09:46] <Peng> 4.5 seconds or so with hg diff.
[09:46] <AfC> I bet it's using the short cut of only diffing if it sees the mtimes are different.
[09:47] <Peng> The mtimes are different.
[09:47] <Peng> Anyway, it's one file.
[09:47] <Peng> What do you mean?
[09:47] <Peng> When committing?
[09:48] <Peng> Hg only checks files with different mtimes, while bzr checks everything?
[09:48] <AfC> I believe so
[09:48] <Peng> Either way, 4.5 seconds vs. 30 seconds for diff isn't because of that.
[09:48] <AfC> This being the more correct behaviour - you can't really trust mtimes.
[09:48] <Peng> Right
[09:48] <Peng> .
[09:49] <AfC> Peng: (but many systems do)
[09:49] <Peng> Hg uses a regular old sucky diff algorithm. :(
[09:49] <AfC> Peng: (and I'm talking about more than just VCS here)
[09:49] <AfC> Peng: there's that too.
[09:49] <Peng> Diff algorithms don't matter when committing, though, unless you use --show-diff or whatever
[09:49] <Peng> .
[09:50] <AfC> I am generally convinced that Bazaar performs more "correctly" than most of the other systems, but the nature of competition is that it's hard to establish this and justify it.
[09:50] <Peng> I know. I love Bazaar. It's great.
[09:50] <Peng> Except it's extremely slow.
[09:51] <AfC> Peng: that's down from glacially slow, though :)
[09:51] <Peng> In fact, I've run into a couple integrity issues with hg that I didn't experience with bzr. But 3 minute commits are just too much.
[09:51] <Peng> Also, bzr doesn't support copying files.
[09:51] <AfC> [copying?] 
[09:52] <Peng> As in cp?
[09:53] <Peng> On the other hand, bzr has just abotu perfect rename support.
[09:53] <Peng> about*
[09:53] <AfC> Peng: still not quite sure what you're needing there
[09:53] <Peng> AfC: What do you mean?
[09:53] <AfC> COPYING
[09:54] <Peng> What about it?
[09:54] <AfC> {sigh} What about copying files are you trying to achieve, and how is Bazaar supposed to somehow contribute to this?
[09:54] <Peng> Sometimes I want to copy a file. Bazaar can't do it.
[09:55] <Peng> If I want to 'cp fileA fileB', I can't do it and preserve history in Bazaar.
[09:56] <Peng> Hmm. I'm not sure how much history is preserved across copies in other VCSes, or how much it should be.
[04:43] <schierbeck> any bzr-gtk people in here?
[05:42] <schierbeck> hi guys
[05:42] <schierbeck> do you know if there's a recent build of bzr for win64?
[05:50] <ubotu> New bug: #139803 in bzr "Bazaar does not run on 64-bit Windows systems" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139803
[08:00] <ubotu> New bug: #139824 in bzr "`bzr co .` in branch with WT gives error FileExists" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139824