=== Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === synic [n=squish@pdpc/supporter/student/synic] has joined #bzr [12:14] failed to open trace file: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/root/.bzr.log' [12:14] I get that when trying to perform most operations [12:14] I assume it's a common error? === hsn_ [n=chatzill@234.114.broadband5.iol.cz] has joined #bzr [12:19] synic: nope - are you running bzr as root? [12:19] no [12:19] never have. [12:19] it just started happening, on all my machines [12:20] since when ? upgrade to a new version of bzr? [12:21] I haven't upgraded anything, unless a security release broke it [12:25] Sounds more like it's running as a non-root user, who has /root as $HOME. [12:26] I suspect something else has changed in your environment.. does "printenv | grep /root" print anything? [12:30] no, nothing === sverrej [n=sverrej@c947DBF51.dhcp.bluecom.no] has joined #bzr === bac is now known as bac_afk === asabil [n=asabil@ti0035a340-0084.bb.online.no] has joined #bzr === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #bzr === bogdano [n=bogdano@201-40-202-24.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #bzr === bogdano [n=bogdano@201-40-202-24.ctame704.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has left #bzr [] === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #bzr === asac_ is now known as asac === herzel44 [i=herzel@gateway/tor/x-918396cbdde41c5d] has joined #bzr === cprov is now known as cprov-out === J-Unit [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #bzr === spiv [n=andrew@canonical/launchpad/spiv] has joined #bzr [02:45] New bug: #139722 in bzr "Bzr not installed into path via windows installer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139722 === mw is now known as mw|out === J-Unit [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #bzr === orospakr [n=orospakr@bas4-ottawa23-1088826818.dsl.bell.ca] has joined #bzr === NamNguyen [n=namnt@cm246.delta196.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #bzr === Admiral_Chicago [n=FreddyM@st074039212101.monm.edu] has joined #bzr === jix [n=jix@dyndsl-091-096-043-089.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #bzr === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #bzr === jrydberg_ [n=Johan@c80-216-246-123.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #bzr === jmillionator [n=root@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #bzr [04:20] Anyway here have a live.gnome.org wiki login already? http://live.gnome.org/BzrForGnomeDevelopers says "bzr 0.9" when it means "bzr 0.90". [04:21] I dunno. I'd like to see somebody using bzr 0.9 and bzr-svn 0.4.2... it just takes a little hacking. [04:22] spiv: I've got one, will fix it [04:23] jelmer: thanks! [04:23] (I have more than enough accounts on random wikis and things already...) [04:23] :-) === mneptok arrives 3 minutes too late === ion [n=ion@70-59-231-23.phnx.qwest.net] has joined #bzr === sverrej_ [n=sverrej@tul-1x-dhcp017.studby.uio.no] has joined #bzr === jmillionator is now known as D-Pain === pygi [n=mario@83-131-80-132.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #bzr === BasicOSX [n=BasicOSX@fortress.tanners.org] has joined #bzr === ardu [n=ardu@adsl-69-231-205-97.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net] has joined #bzr [07:18] so.. how is performance these days.. can we compete against git? just curious [07:19] and btw hi, long time no see. === BasicMac [n=BasicOSX@warden.real-time.com] has joined #bzr [07:31] performance is a lot better IMO for day to day usage... [07:31] stuff like status, diff, ci are a lot more acceptable [07:31] but networking speed still needs work IMO === D-Pain is now known as ll-cool-jdong [09:01] Commit is "a lot more acceptable"? Is it better than it was a month ago? [09:01] Say, ten times better? [09:04] Peng: talk to lifeless when he's around [09:05] Peng: he's been making some massive improvements to commit, although most of that won't be seen until the 0.92 release in about a month. === AfC [i=andrew@office.syd.operationaldynamics.com] has joined #bzr [09:44] A couple months ago, I had 3-minute commits for my homedir. I converted it to hg and now they're 15 or 20 seconds. [09:45] Commit improvements and the C patiencediff should help. [09:45] (bzr diff took 30 seconds) [09:45] (on one file) [09:46] 4.5 seconds or so with hg diff. [09:46] I bet it's using the short cut of only diffing if it sees the mtimes are different. [09:47] The mtimes are different. [09:47] Anyway, it's one file. [09:47] What do you mean? [09:47] When committing? [09:48] Hg only checks files with different mtimes, while bzr checks everything? [09:48] I believe so [09:48] Either way, 4.5 seconds vs. 30 seconds for diff isn't because of that. [09:48] This being the more correct behaviour - you can't really trust mtimes. [09:48] Right [09:48] . [09:49] Peng: (but many systems do) [09:49] Hg uses a regular old sucky diff algorithm. :( [09:49] Peng: (and I'm talking about more than just VCS here) [09:49] Peng: there's that too. [09:49] Diff algorithms don't matter when committing, though, unless you use --show-diff or whatever [09:49] . [09:50] I am generally convinced that Bazaar performs more "correctly" than most of the other systems, but the nature of competition is that it's hard to establish this and justify it. === luks [i=lukas@unaffiliated/luks] has joined #bzr [09:50] I know. I love Bazaar. It's great. [09:50] Except it's extremely slow. [09:51] Peng: that's down from glacially slow, though :) [09:51] In fact, I've run into a couple integrity issues with hg that I didn't experience with bzr. But 3 minute commits are just too much. [09:51] Also, bzr doesn't support copying files. [09:51] [copying?] [09:52] As in cp? [09:53] On the other hand, bzr has just abotu perfect rename support. [09:53] about* [09:53] Peng: still not quite sure what you're needing there [09:53] AfC: What do you mean? [09:53] COPYING [09:54] What about it? [09:54] {sigh} What about copying files are you trying to achieve, and how is Bazaar supposed to somehow contribute to this? [09:54] Sometimes I want to copy a file. Bazaar can't do it. [09:55] If I want to 'cp fileA fileB', I can't do it and preserve history in Bazaar. [09:56] Hmm. I'm not sure how much history is preserved across copies in other VCSes, or how much it should be. === Peng wanders off. === luks [i=lukas@unaffiliated/luks] has joined #bzr === phanatic [n=phanatic@dsl54028394.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #bzr === Peng [n=mnordhof@fl-69-69-137-70.dyn.embarqhsd.net] has joined #bzr === herzel44 [i=herzel@gateway/tor/x-b00c9512b36c9cb9] has joined #bzr === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #bzr === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has left #bzr [] === Rade [n=Rade@91.143.221.169] has joined #bzr === cfbolz [n=cfbolz@p54ABB3F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bzr === cfbolz [n=cfbolz@p54ABB3F6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #bzr === NamNguyen [n=namnt@cm246.delta196.maxonline.com.sg] has joined #bzr === herzel44 [i=herzel@gateway/tor/x-50b119e7b44d4674] has joined #bzr === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === pmezard [n=pmezard@nor75-4-81-56-59-92.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #bzr === jrydberg_ [n=Johan@c80-216-246-123.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #bzr === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === aclose [n=aclose@c-24-13-93-130.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #bzr === mw|out [n=mw@189.146.24.28] has joined #bzr === Demitar_ [n=demitar@c-212-031-190-120.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === schierbeck [n=daniel@dasch.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #bzr === gldnspud [n=gldnspud@72.171.93.139] has joined #bzr [04:43] any bzr-gtk people in here? === fog [n=fog@debian/developer/fog] has joined #bzr === pygi [n=mario@83-131-22-156.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #bzr === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #bzr === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === schierbeck [n=daniel@dasch.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #bzr [05:42] hi guys [05:42] do you know if there's a recent build of bzr for win64? [05:50] New bug: #139803 in bzr "Bazaar does not run on 64-bit Windows systems" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139803 === fog [n=fog@debian/developer/fog] has left #bzr [] === Verterok [n=ggonzale@184-220-114-200.fibertel.com.ar] has joined #bzr === cpro1 [n=cprov@189.0.126.225] has joined #bzr === ll-cool-jdong is now known as jdong === cpro1 is now known as cprov-afk === jdong is now known as jeminem === Demitar [n=demitar@c-212-031-182-147.cust.broadway.se] has joined #bzr === jeminem is now known as jdong === grimboy [n=grimboy@85-211-254-202.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #bzr === mlh [n=mlh@c211-30-211-232.belrs1.nsw.optusnet.com.au] has joined #bzr [08:00] New bug: #139824 in bzr "`bzr co .` in branch with WT gives error FileExists" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139824 === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #bzr === Topic for #bzr: The Bazaar Version Control System | http://bazaar-vcs.org/ | Bazaar 0.90 and 0.91rc2 are out - http://bazaar-vcs.org/Download | Please complete the Bazaar User Survey - http://www.surveymonkey.com/s.aspx?sm=L94RvLswhKdktrxiHWiX3g_3d_3d === Topic (#bzr): set by poolie at Wed Sep 12 03:35:03 2007 === pete__c [n=pete@032-463-246.area7.spcsdns.net] has joined #bzr === grimeboy [n=grimboy@85-211-246-68.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #bzr === BasicOSX [n=BasicOSX@gatekeeper.tanners.org] has joined #bzr === BasicMac [n=BasicOSX@gatekeeper.tanners.org] has joined #bzr === BasicMac [n=BasicOSX@gatekeeper.tanners.org] has joined #bzr === BasicMac__ [n=BasicOSX@gatekeeper.tanners.org] has joined #bzr === bogdano [n=bogdano@201.40.202.24] has joined #bzr === bogdano [n=bogdano@201.40.202.24] has left #bzr [] === asak [n=alexis@201-1-46-243.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #bzr