[12:37] <nainnain6> allo?
[12:37] <fredthedog> when I boot from the live CD and make changes such as installing software or chaging settings then install will those changes be installed?
[12:38] <lnx_> someone know how i can view the preview ?
[12:39] <fredthedog> veiw what preview
[12:39] <uga> nainnain6: maybe if vous parlez anglais...
[12:40] <uga> kirk: any progress?
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. I got a upstairs machine on IRC and a basement machine.. heh..
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> frogot about that.
[12:41] <ScorpKing> how can i force dnsmasq to renew an ip of a computer?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> pillowpants theres a kxrandr tool/system tray gizmo that lets you change res's easy. that can fix your game cras/small screen issue.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> !find xrand
[12:41] <ubotu> Found: libxrandr-dev, libxrandr2, libxrandr2-dbg, xrandr
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> !find xrandr
[12:42] <dvessel> Hello, anyone think running the i386 iso on an AMD64 is the better way to go?
[12:43] <dvessel> Overall compatibility good?
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> 64bit disrto is NOT needed for amd64 machines
[12:43] <uga> Dr_Willis_: or a nice system tray applet named krandrtray
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> i use the 32bit stuff all the time.
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> uga thats the name - i never can rember it.
[12:43] <pillowpants> thanks
[12:43] <pillowpants> ill give it a go
[12:43] <dvessel> Dr_Willis:  I understand that.
[12:44] <dvessel> but you sorta answered my question in a way.
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> dvessel a great many people (noobs? :))  think they must use 64disrto.
[12:45] <ScorpKing> uhm, ok then, how can i find and kill a pid of a lan computer eg 10.0.0.1 so it can renew itself?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> on amd64 - i was just being very clear. :)
[12:45] <dvessel> Dr_Willis: Right, and I'm definitely new to this but I knew that part. :)
[12:45] <kirk_> !partitiontype
[12:45] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about partitiontype - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Still fighting that thing kirk_?
[12:47] <kirk_> yep
[12:47] <dvessel> Too bad I can't get the live dvd booting to work. I'll try again with i386
[12:47] <kirk_> almost got it though
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> Now WHAT. :) HEH..
[12:47] <kirk_> which partition type should i make it
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> A single partition? make it primary #1
[12:47] <Dr_Willis> now where to mount it..  dosent matter much.
[12:48] <uga> kirk_: trust Dr_Willis. He seems to know fdisk by heart. I always have to read through the help menu to remember. And I cannot test partitioning my own drives right now, for obvious reasons ;P
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> ive fought long and hard with fdisk in the past. :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> some times i even win!
[12:49] <dvessel> Dr_Willis: could you suggest a release? Feisty, Dapper? CD, DVD?
[12:49] <Doctor_Nick> whoever wins, we lose
[12:49] <Doctor_Nick> ugh
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> dvessel gutsy due out in a month. :)  so whatever ya want to do
[12:49] <kirk_> lol
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> it all depends on your needs.
[12:49] <Doctor_Nick> i should really update the kernel to fix my problems with my sound card
[12:50] <uga> Dr_Willis: heh, I'll remember you next week, when I have to set up a new 64 bit box, in case I'm in trouble with fdisk ;))
[12:50] <Doctor_Nick> but... effort...
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> fdisk is so straight forward. :) compared to DOS's old fdisk...
[12:50] <kirk_> im just gonna use it for storage
[12:50] <ScorpKing> kirk_: try cfdisk one day...
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> rember kiddies.. you can have 4 paimary partitions..  one of them can be an Extended.. an extended holds. Logicals...
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:50] <fredthedog> hen I use the guided partition what is it making? Just root and swap partitions? Also what is it giving me for a swap size?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> fredthedog yep thats about it.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> swap depends on your needs/ram. i say 512mb min. and often the MAX iuse. :) on my machines
[12:51] <kirk_> just as storage
[12:51] <lnx_> someone know how i can view the preview ?
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ make a hdb1  , ext3, and leave it at that.
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ mount it ti /media/storage
[12:51] <kirk_> ext3 is what is was before
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> then for each user. make them a directory in that /media/storage. named  after them. then chown it to be owned by them. then link THAT dir, to their /home/username/ExtraStorage dir.(or whatever ya want)
[12:52] <kirk_> im sure me smoking excess amounts of marijuana all day doesnt help me
[12:53] <fredthedog> How do I know how big it's going to make my swap I don't want 2X Ram that's excessive
[12:53] <fredthedog> lol at kirk
[12:53] <Xn1> is there a tool or a file I can edit in kubuntu for firewall config? seems quite different that fedora which is what I know
[12:54] <Doctor_Nick> durgs are bad
[12:54] <dwidmann> fredthedog: how much RAM do you have?
[12:54] <ScorpKing> !firewall
[12:54] <ubotu> Ubuntu, like any other linux distribution, has firewall capabilities built-in. The firewall is managed using the 'iptables' command (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IptablesHowTo), or GUI applications such as Firestarter (Gnome) or Guarddog (KDE).
[12:54] <fredthedog> 2.5G so 2X standard would give me 5G I don't want that
[12:54] <Xn1> ahh thank you much
[12:54] <dwidmann> Doctor_Nick: as evidenced by your speeling isseus
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> fredthedog i think it just does 512mb
[12:55] <kirk_> holy ape shit, another issue
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> with 2.5 gb.. you dont need much swap.. unless you are a uber-user. :)
[12:55] <dwidmann> fredthedog: 512mb should be good, though you'll probably never use it
[12:55] <fredthedog> I was thinking around 1G for swap would that still be enough?
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> i always put 512mb swap on EVERY hard drive i got.. just in case i boot the boxx with a livecd. :) most of them can use swap partitions also.
[12:55] <fredthedog> I mean be too much
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> fredthedog proberly overkill.. is this a laptop?
[12:56] <ScorpKing> dwidmann: i worked everything out for my script with some help from #bash. now i just need to put it all together. :)
[12:56] <kirk_> when i went to mount it, it outputs  wrong fs type
[12:56] <fredthedog> no but I may setup some server apps on it
[12:56] <Dr_Willis> You can always add a swap file later if needed.
[12:56] <dwidmann> ScorpKing: good to hear it
[12:57] <ScorpKing> it's a mission but i'm getting there. will keep you posted.
[12:58] <fredthedog> well thanks guys i got and idea now
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ What was the mount command you used?
[12:58] <fredthedog> my gf says i said ubuntu in my sleep last night. is there help for being such a geek lol
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ you did format it after you partitioned it?
[12:59] <kirk_> no
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> remebr kiddies,, fdisk, then format, then mount..
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> :P
[12:59] <uga> lol
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> had a kid in here once.. he was fdisking After formating...
[01:00] <uga> Dr_Willis: rofl
[01:00] <kirk_> i thought fdisk did format it
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> 'fdisking is like taking the paper and organizing them into a book' 'formating is putting page #'s on the pages, so you can then write stuff on them'
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[01:00] <uga> Dr_Willis: my first linux experience led me to mkfs /dev/hda... when I meant to format an external parallel port drive...
[01:00] <Dr_Willis> ffdisk does NOT NOT NOT format. :)
[01:01] <uga> Dr_Willis: it was so much fun getting it to work =)
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> gparted is just a tool that can do both..
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> ms's fdisk does not format either. :)
[01:01] <fredthedog> my first few linux experiences made me go run and hide under windows again, probally happened about 3 times
[01:01] <sportbilly> anyone how knows how can i configure beryl?
[01:01] <Dr_Willis> Ive had windows experiences that make people run to Linux
[01:02] <kirk_> it shows up as active and using fs ext3
[01:02] <uga> fredthedog: heh, I couldn't though. I was meant to use it for my university work ;)
[01:02] <fredthedog> that is why I am here. I got a new notebook running vista :(
[01:02] <uga> and nobody around had used linux _ever_
[01:02] <kirk_> it just wont let me mount it
[01:02] <uga> win95 and 98 were so great, back then ;))
[01:02] <fredthedog> xp was there best system vista is a nightmare, resource hog and just plain gay
[01:02] <uga> kirk_: what's the error?
[01:03] <ScorpKing> kirk_: you have to format it first with mkfs.ext3 /dev/hd*
[01:03] <kirk_> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdb1,
[01:03] <kirk_>        missing codepage or other error
[01:03] <kirk_>        In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[01:03] <kirk_>        dmesg | tail  or so
[01:03] <uga> ScorpKing: I believe he did, already
[01:03] <ScorpKing> ah
[01:03] <uga> kirk_: you did so, right? =)
[01:04] <garfield> stdin: i cant get beryl to run no more
[01:04] <kirk_> yes
[01:04] <fredthedog> figure this one out a core 2 duo with 2G ram and dedicated video card and vista still drags on a fresh install. Time to flea a failing OS.
[01:05] <uga> fredthedog: lol. I knew it was crap, but not _that_ crap =)
[01:05] <dudeicles> can anyone help me please? I am seeing black lines every second line of names on the right.
[01:05] <uga> dudeicles: konversation?
[01:05] <dudeicles> it's in a lot of my programs
[01:05] <ScorpKing> hi dudeicles! welcome back. :D
[01:05] <fredthedog> video drivers maybe
[01:06] <dudeicles> ScorpKing:  hey hey buddy
[01:06] <uga> duckdown__: lots of apps? what do you mean by "line of names" then
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> Hmm,, i will admit - that on this new machine i got. vista is.. useable..
[01:06] <Dr_Willis> but i dont see the big deal  over it.. vs XP.
[01:06] <kirk_> in fdisk, what do i do
[01:06] <dudeicles> uga: I'll post a screen shot for you
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ to do what?
[01:07] <lnx_> someone know how i can view the preview ?
[01:07] <kirk_> hahah i dont know
[01:07] <fredthedog> espesially since that warez group got directx 10 games working on xp :o
[01:07] <uga> Dr_Willis: heh, still can't mount the drive, after formatting
[01:07] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: if you start an app from konsole eg konversation you'll be able to see a lot of the errors.
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ use 'sudo fdisk -l /dev/hdb' see what parttions are there. for a start.
[01:07] <kirk_> im high and probably messing it up more
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> You did format the right disk? :)
[01:07] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:07] <garfield> mm
[01:07] <fredthedog> kirk where you from?
[01:07] <Dr_Willis> ScorpKing ya DONT want to know what i did last week.. :)
[01:08] <kirk_> only 1
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> all my.. videos.. gone.. heh
[01:08] <kirk_> hdb1
[01:08] <luviekitty> may i ask how do i set this up to go into channel
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ so  you used what to format the partition?
[01:08] <uga> Dr_Willis: good! disk free from any p0rn? now you can refresh your DB =)
[01:08] <ScorpKing> Dr_Willis: mmm. do tell...
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> uga yep. :)
[01:08] <ScorpKing> that suck
[01:08] <Dr_Willis> aparently some disrtos call hda sda now :)  and i had a sda allready... that was sata that was where it was TO isntall to.. :)
[01:09] <kirk_> - mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ BINGO.. wrong. :)
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ its /dev/hdb1
[01:09] <garfield> ScorpKing:  Dr_Willis all my decoration is gone when i launch beryl :(
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> hdb is the whole drive.. hdb1 is the partition on the drive
[01:09] <ScorpKing> most sata drives will be sda
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> garfield  now ya know why i dont use beryl. :)
[01:09] <fredthedog> theres this site called boysfood that has awesome streaming porn, haha something new everyday boys
[01:09] <kirk_> hmm so i should mkfs.ext3 /dev/hdb1   now?
[01:09] <Dr_Willis> kirk_ yea try that.
[01:10] <ScorpKing> sorry garfield, never used beryl. running a 340Mhz laptop. :)
[01:10] <LiquidXTC> OK I tried to change my hostname while in Ubuntu Knome and this did not go over very well... My browser would not open, nor would my administrative tasks untill I changed it back. Can anyone tell me if there is a way to change my hostname, without restarting, so that everything will still work??
[01:10] <ScorpKing> LiquidXTC: it's in /etc/hosts
[01:11] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: how would I start this program from terminal?
[01:11] <fredthedog> wtf i installed but it doesn't seem to be working the same as before. no asking for reboot and all. fuk linux can be a headache
[01:11] <garfield> Dr_Willis: it because i try to install that thing with fglrx that stdin told me to install so my xorh got mest up now beryl not running good .it was running good befor i try to install fglrx for the ati
[01:11] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: can I send you this screen shot of what I see?
[01:11] <fredthedog> well later gotta see what's up
[01:11] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: just type the name
[01:11] <dudeicles> brb
[01:11] <Dr_Willis> i aint touching beryl or that stuff for a few more months. :)
[01:12] <garfield> Dr_Willis: what do u use compiz?i install it but it never work
[01:12] <uga> Dr_Willis: ugh, but... after he has formatted hdb... the partition table is still there?
[01:12] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37459/
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> you format partitions..  thats all you can format. :)
[01:12] <Dr_Willis> so it better still be there.
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> fdisk -l /dev/hdb and see.
[01:13] <uga> strange, and mkfs didn't complain?
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> NOW the fact he formated hdb - is ... odd...
[01:13] <uga> when formatting /dev/hdb I mean
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> that might of messed somthing up.
[01:13] <uga> heh, yup
[01:13] <Dr_Willis> i dident think that was even doable...
[01:13] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: Mind if I send you this screen shot?
[01:14] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: that's normal. i have it on my computer as well. sure, send away
[01:14] <luviekitty> this is my first time using this program and how to do get into another server?
[01:14] <uga> Dr_Willis: it may just generate a single primary partition and format it
[01:15] <garfield> Dr_Willis: how to uninstall fglrx?
[01:15] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: failed. have very weak signal for my connection here. mail it.
[01:16] <dudeicles> will do
[01:16] <kirk_> basically fdisk'd the entire device, when i should have only the partition
[01:16] <kirk_> right?
[01:17] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: sent
[01:17] <ScorpKing> k
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> fdisk, make partition, format partition, (not disk) , mount parittion.
[01:18] <Dr_Willis> drink beer...  relaxe
[01:19] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: yag! that's ugly.
[01:20] <dudeicles> ScorpKing: you're telling me. any ideas what's causing that?
[01:21] <dudeicles> it's not just Konversation doing that. it's all my programs with lists in them except the internet.
[01:22] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: not sure what that is, but i think it might be an xlib or something that's broken. check all your logs to start with. /var/log/* . other than that i don't know. :(
[01:22] <coreymon77> kirk_: so, any luck yet?
[01:23] <dudeicles> should I maybe do my install update?
[01:23] <ScorpKing> dudeicles: or maybe one of the kde libs. update might fix it. anyway, i have to go sleep. have fun
[01:24] <lnx_> how i can add kde themes ?
[01:24] <dudeicles> lol thanks
[01:24] <Dr_Willis> hmm. cant get fluxbox to run properly over xdmcp., odd..
[01:24] <ScorpKing> nite everyone!
[01:25] <dudeicles> how would you update kde libs?
[01:26] <uga> lnx_: by themes, you mean colors, fonts, background etc?
[01:26] <uga> or you mean styles
[01:26] <uga> ie, the shapes of buttons, scrollbars, etc
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> themes are composed of 'parts' - the parts are . 'window decorations' 'widgets' , icon sets, and.. somthing else.. :)
[01:27] <lnx_> uga , adn windows decorations
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> a theme - tells what parts to use. :)
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> and you can mixx and match the parts.
[01:27] <uga> lnx_: okay, but those are separate parts. You need to tell what you exactly want to do =)
[01:27] <Dr_Willis> and theres a bot factoid on this.. and i never can rember it.
[01:27] <motac_> hi
[01:28] <motac_> i have got a ubuntu cd
[01:28] <uga> lnx_: kcontrol->theme manager->install new theme... and you install _themes_
[01:28] <motac_> but i dont like gnome
[01:28] <uga> lnx_: but installing styles or window decorations usually requires compiling
[01:28] <uga> if you mean those out of those supplied by kubuntu
[01:28] <uga> or else installing add on packs
[01:28] <motac_> i want to turn kubuntu from ubuntu
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> theres a lot of themes/parts in the package manager  -not installed by default - also. :)
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> check them out
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> motac_ sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop    is the easy way.
[01:29] <lnx_> uga , to change the windows decoration ( to get new's ) i know those that kubuntu have default
[01:29] <Dr_Willis> once ya got the system installed.
[01:30] <motac_> Dr_Willis hmm for kde4 like this ?
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> kde4 is not in a useable state at this time.. so i dont touch it. :)
[01:30] <Dr_Willis> so NO idea on kde4 setting up.
[01:30] <motac_> hmm :(
[01:30] <uga> lnx_: kdeartwork-theme-window - window decoration themes released with KDE
[01:31] <uga> kwin-baghira - KDE theme for Apple junkies :)
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-alphacube - Alphacube window decoration for KDE
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-blended - a window decoration theme for KDE
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-dekorator - windows decoration for kde using user-supplied PNG files
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-knifty - knifty window decoration for KDE
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-powder - Powder plasmaoid window decoration for kde
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-serenity - plasmoid inspired window decoration for KDE
[01:31] <motac_> Dr_Willis i am really want to try but i cant :)
[01:31] <uga> kwin-style-suse2 - KDE window decoration from SUSE 9.3
[01:31] <uga> lnx_: want more? =)
[01:31] <lnx_> uga , ok thanks
[01:31] <uga> lnx_: easy to search them btw, just do "apt-cache search decoration"
[01:31] <uga> and you get a nice list
[01:32] <uga> lnx_: if you need any out of those, you'll need to build and install them yourself
[01:32] <Dr_Willis> motac_ best way to test out kde4 is with a live cd that includes it. :) safest way also.
[01:33] <motac_> Dr_Willis i use Pardus normally and i limited internet user in Turkey :( so i cant download
[01:33] <motac_> Dr_Willis this limit is 3 gb
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> theres that service that sends out free cd's  -  for kubuntu and ubuntu.
[01:34] <Dr_Willis> !shipit
[01:34] <ubotu> shipit is a service that sends free Ubuntu, Kubuntu and Edubuntu CDs. See http://shipit.ubuntu.com/ and http://shipit.kubuntu.org and http://shipit.edubuntu.org - Shipit will send Feisty (7.04) CDs
[01:34] <bigleon> Good Evening Dr_Willis
[01:34] <motac_> Dr_Willis thanx :)
[01:35] <CaBlGuY> anyone awake??
[01:35] <Dr_Willis> Yes.
[01:35] <CaBlGuY> ok..
[01:35] <motac_> Dr_Willis the packet manager downloaded all kde4 packages but i cant run it :D
[01:36] <CaBlGuY> my monitor doesn't shut down..  the screen saver just runs all the time..  and I think ubunut installed for a laptop instead of a desktop...
[01:36] <CaBlGuY> I need help with that please..
[01:36] <Dr_Willis> I thought there was a shutdown monitor setting in the screen saver area/settings.
[01:37] <Dr_Willis> you may need to enable the powersavings features
[01:37] <rx> hmm my screen goes blank after 5mins...how do i turn that off? it looks like it doesnt care about my kde settings
[01:37] <uga> uhm... what's this...
[01:37] <uga> there's amd64 target CDs but none for intel 64 bit?
[01:38] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, most of us who have tha prob just do the ctrl-alt-backspace , then shutdown from the login screen
[01:38] <CaBlGuY> Dr_Willis:  alrweady have tried that..  it's like the install didn't do it right or something..  the screen saver just keeps running.. and I've got all the poweer settings checked so it should shut down but it doesn't..
[01:38] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj:  I'm not lookin to shut my system down, I'm just wanting the monitor to shut down after so long..   like it's posed to
[01:39] <uga> Dr_Willis: you were talking about 64bit vs 32bit before... do you know anything about intel 64bit built kubuntu packs?
[01:39] <uga> else I'll have to go back to gentoo
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> gentoo!!
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> oh bioy..
[01:39] <CaBlGuY> I've tried ot install that like 4 times now.. with no luck..
[01:39] <Dr_Willis> CaBlGuY i cant even find the settings..:) im sshed over to the linux box. so that may be confusing the power stuff some.
[01:39] <uga> I Find it strange that there's -amd64 isos yet none for intel
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> uga they use the same isos
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> that just means they are 64bit disrots
[01:40] <uga> CaBlGuY: I've been a gentoo user for years
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> disrtos.
[01:40] <CaBlGuY> Dr_Willis: Hmmmm
[01:40] <WaltzingAlong> dudeicles: regarding pastebin 37459 your xorg.conf likely contains configurations for devices which are present on your system
[01:40] <uga> Dr_Willis: ahk. Somebody should update documentation and naming then
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> CaBlGuY may want to check the forums.  I use the kpowersaver stuff on my laptop mainly.
[01:40] <CaBlGuY> uga:  do you like it and how hard can you get the distro?
[01:40] <Dr_Willis> uga the names are the standard now. :)
[01:40] <uga> > 64-bit PC (AMD64) desktop CD
[01:40] <uga> > Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon)
[01:41] <uga> Dr_Willis: ^^^^  that's standard?
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> using the term amd64 to mean 64bit. is the standard way of calling them
[01:41] <uga> heh okay. Lets trust you ;))
[01:41] <uga> CaBlGuY: I dropped gentoo for a good reason, and I'd rather not go back
[01:41] <Biovore> but do note that EM64T and AMD64 are slightly different and small ways..
[01:41] <Dr_Willis> then again. the whome 32/64bit stuff  is a huge mess of confision from the start.
[01:42] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, so system settings/monitor &display/power settings in admin mode won't work ?
[01:42] <rx> [19:44]  <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, so system settings/monitor &display/power settings in admin mode won't work ? <--- that ruined my xorg.conf
[01:43] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj:  yes, they work but it's just the option for the monitor to shut down after so long.,.  that doesn't work..
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> heh - my 'monitor and display' window shows... nothing..:) since im xdmcp'd in to the linux box.
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> I DO recall some check box's somewhere to enable the full powersaving modes...
[01:43] <Dr_Willis> that needed to be admin to enable them
[01:43] <uga> Dr_Willis: I find it as silly as naming other packs -pentium instead of x86 ;)
[01:43] <CaBlGuY> it's under system/prefer/power managment
[01:44] <BluesKaj> rx, you obviously had something else wrong in your monitor &display settings to screw up xorg f
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> uga of course NOW the CPU names are so clearn. :)
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> so clear and  easy to tell which is better then the others. :)
[01:44] <rx> he needs to put option "DPMS" i think in the monitor section
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> rx good idea!
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> i frogot about that bit.
[01:44] <bigleon> Gahhh Dr_Willis, i got a window who refuses to close, i even killed the process
[01:44] <uga> Dr_Willis: yes, the panorama of naming is confusing. But these things confuse users even more
[01:44] <Dr_Willis> bigleon  try xkill
[01:44] <bigleon> well the process is gone
[01:44] <CaBlGuY> Maaann....
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> uga thats good  - that way tey listen to the marketing ads.. not facts. :)
[01:45] <rx> i just figured it out myself im trying to do the opposite of what hes doing :P
[01:45] <uga> Dr_Willis: users already have trouble to tell if they are running a 32 bit cpu or a 64 one... =)
[01:45] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, that exactly what i mean, the power saving setting is for the monitor
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> marketing is the king. :)
[01:45] <uga> Dr_Willis: -amd64 is amd marketing, I'd say ;)
[01:45] <bigleon> any idea's?
[01:45] <CaBlGuY> umm  something else is I've tried to upgrade to 7.04 and the upgrade goes fine but once I reboot, it can't load all the way...  any idea why that would be??
[01:45] <Dr_Willis> uga amd had theyr 64bit stuff out way befor.. so :) thats how it happens.
[01:46] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj:  yes, I understand that..  so whats your point?/
[01:46] <lnx_> someone know how i can view the preview ?
[01:46] <Dr_Willis> of course even now.. 64bit windows vista.. is.. well.. rare. :)
[01:46] <Dr_Willis> and pricy.
[01:46] <bigleon> CaBIGuy well do you know what last thing it loads b-4 it crashes
[01:46] <uga> Dr_Willis: I'm not talking about intel, windows, or anything here. I'm talking about confusing users and undocumenting the site
[01:46] <rx> man xorg.conf. with "DPMS" and "BlankTime" and "StandByTime" and "SuspendTime" and "OffTime"
[01:46] <rx> :P
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> uga file a bug report i guess. :)
[01:47] <rx> around line ~350
[01:47] <uga> Dr_Willis: where to? for the website?
[01:47] <bigleon> launchpad
[01:47] <dwidmann> Dr_Willis, uga: last I checked at the iso download section it was clearly marked at the top that the amd64 iso runs on both amd and intel systems
[01:47] <CaBlGuY> bigleon:  yes. I see the Ubuntu splash and then it "freezes" right there and an error comes up after so long saying somehting about xorg can't l,oad and whatnot..
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> uga no idea :)  i rarely read the website.
[01:47] <Doctor_Nick> :D
[01:47] <Dr_Willis> i dont touch the 64bit stuff either.
[01:48] <uga> Dr_Willis: I mean.... http://ftp.cw.net/pub/linux/ftp.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/feisty/
[01:48] <bigleon> Prolly because of a video driver error CaBIGuY
[01:48] <uga> its' pretty wrong
[01:48] <uga> Dr_Willis: you're sure that those CDs are for any 64bit, RIGHT?
[01:48] <uga> because comments say heh
[01:48] <Biovore> the AMD64 release works on EMT64
[01:48] <CaBlGuY> bigleon:  Hmmmm  so, the next realese is next month and "should" take care of that..  correct?
[01:49] <BluesKaj> CaBlGuY, that really should work if you have you screensaver setup
[01:49] <bigleon> maybe
[01:49] <Dr_Willis> Choose this to take full advantage of computers based on the AMD64 or EM64T architecture (e.g., Athlon64, Opteron, EM64T Xeon). If you have a non-64-bit processor made by AMD, or if you need full support for 32-bit code, use the Intel x86 images instead.
[01:49] <CaBlGuY> BluesKaj:  well, it's not..   that's why I'm askin about it..  :p
[01:49] <Dr_Willis> heck - i am rereading that just to see what its saying.. :)
[01:49] <uga> Biovore: yes, it mentions that, but EMT aren't 64bit cpus afaik
[01:50] <rx> CaBlGuY: did you try what i said?
[01:50] <uga> Biovore: I'm talking about cpus like Core 2 Duo or Core 2 Quad
[01:50] <CaBlGuY> rx:  what did you say??
[01:50] <uga> and they are neither mentioned
[01:51] <dwidmann> uga: Yes. The 64-bit iso runs on all amd64/em64t based computers. Core 2 included.
[01:51] <rx> i said do: man xorg.conf. you need to enable Option "DPMS" in the Monitor section. also, read about "BlankTime", "StandByTime", "SuspendTime", "OffTime" in the man pages
[01:51] <Dr_Willis> how about my  6502 ! :)
[01:51] <kirk> back again for the third time
[01:51] <uga> dwidmann: thanks. Although it's confusing to read Core 2 are amd64-based ;)
[01:52] <uga> dwidmann: instruction sets for both are compatible?
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> i thought they were.
[01:52] <CaBlGuY> rx:  which is greek to me..  I know "some" command line stuff..  but if I need to "build" my packages, or mess around with files, I'm up the creek..  cause I have not learned how to do that yet..
[01:52] <Dr_Willis> amazing how compatiable these cpus are - given how different they are getting.
[01:52] <dwidmann> uga: yes, though I've read that the em64t instruction set is actually somewhat inferior. Then again, that was on wikipedia so who knows if it was actually right or not.
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> im suprised these things even boot.
[01:53] <uga> dwidmann: looking for em64t information, I find 32 bit cpus with enhanced extensions
[01:53] <rx> CaBlGuY: ok you never edited /etc/xorg.conf right?
[01:53] <uga> that's what confuses me ;)
[01:53] <bigleon> Question, I'm trying to set up this Domino theme thing. and it tells me to use this "make" command that isn't working, what do i need to do
[01:53] <CaBlGuY> rx:  ummmmm  no--
[01:53] <pillowpants> how do you turn openGL on?
[01:53] <dwidmann> uga: I'm confused too. I'll just not investigate further to prevent my head from exploding.
[01:53] <Dr_Willis> bigleon install a lot of developer files.. starting with 'build-essential'
[01:53] <pillowpants> something like 'nvidia-glx enable'?
[01:54] <bigleon> SO what should i search in Adept?
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> bigleon 'build-essential'
[01:54] <CaBlGuY> pillowpants:  U NEED TO BE SURE YOU HAVE THE CORRECT DRIVER FOR YOUR VID CARD INSTALLED..
[01:54] <pillowpants> !opengl
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> for a start.
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opengl - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:54] <bigleon> yeah i found that i ment the rest
[01:54] <CaBlGuY> OOPs..  sorry bout the caps..  :-O
[01:54] <uga> dwidmann: EMT: Extended Memory Technology, or so
[01:54] <pillowpants> CaBlGuY: yeah, ive got that taken care of
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> bigleon that would be looking at the error messages as it compiles/fails :)
[01:54] <bigleon> Ahh
[01:54] <Dr_Willis> bigleon now ya know why package managers are nice.. and source sucks.
[01:54] <bigleon> Lmao
[01:54] <pillowpants> !nvidia
[01:54] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:54] <CaBlGuY> pillowpants:  then your openGL should work..
[01:55] <Dr_Willis> bigleon or just installing the -dev stuff. :) like i do.. tillit shuts up.
[01:55] <CaBlGuY> unless you have a older card..
[01:55] <bigleon> rofl
[01:55] <pillowpants> CaBlGuY: its not, and its giving me trouble
[01:55] <rx> CaBlGuY: open Konsole and type: grep DPMS /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[01:55] <pillowpants> i do
[01:55] <CaBlGuY> rx:  gimme a sec..
[01:55] <rx> if it returns Option "DPMS" its fine then and this is not the problem
[01:55] <pillowpants> CaBlGuY: riva tnt2 model 64, heh
[01:55] <CaBlGuY> riva tnt???   Ummmmm   that's old dood..  :p
[01:56] <pillowpants> yeah i know
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> thats uber-old. :)
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> almost a collectable!
[01:56] <pillowpants> thats all ive got at the moment
[01:56] <Dr_Willis> I got a VooDoo3  somewher! :)
[01:57] <uga> dwidmann: here, full info  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86-64
[01:57] <CaBlGuY> rx:  says, option  DPMS
[01:57] <pillowpants> i was able to get everything working great on my previous dapper drake install
[01:57] <pillowpants> now that im in fiesty, its giving me a hell of alot of trouble
[01:57] <uga> dwidmann:  "who have since renamed it AMD64. This architecture has been cloned by Intel under the name Intel 64 (formerly known as Yamhill, Clackamas Technology (CT), IA-32e, and EM64T)."
[01:57] <rx> CaBlGuY: you want your monitor to suspend right?
[01:57] <uga> "This leads to the common use of the names x86-64 or x64 as more vendor-neutral terms to collectively refer to the two nearly identical implementations." <------
[01:57] <kirk> this damn thing still isnt working
[01:57] <pillowpants> suspend?
[01:58] <CaBlGuY> rx:  I want it to shut down after say. 25 minutes..
[01:58] <uga> Dr_Willis: x64 ought to be the naming ;)
[01:58] <pillowpants> i just want the proprietary drivers to kick in, and openGL and 3d rendering to start working
[01:58] <rx> it should...
[01:58] <pillowpants> the nv driver gives me a headache
[01:58] <pillowpants> the brightness and default gamma are terrible
[01:58] <CaBlGuY> rx:  well it doesn't..  :p
[01:58] <rx> CaBlGuY: clean kubuntu install you did yourself?
[01:58] <CaBlGuY> yep..
[01:58] <bigleon> Dr_Willis it keeps saying no makefile found after running ./config
[01:59] <CaBlGuY> it's actually Ubuntu but same prefs..
[01:59] <rx> kde or gnome?
[01:59] <CaBlGuY> gnome
[01:59] <bigleon> shouldn't he be unbuntu room not kubuntu?
[02:00] <rx> did you ask in #xorg and in #gnome (irc.gnome.org) ?
[02:00] <rx> oh and #ubuntu of course ;P
[02:00] <CaBlGuY> bigleon:  you go into Ubuntu and ask a question..  se how long it takes to get an answer..  ;)
[02:00] <CaBlGuY> hehe
[02:00] <rx> say you have Option "DPMS" in xorg.conf but that doesnt work
[02:00] <bigleon> CaBIGuY well then use kubuntu lmao
[02:00] <CaBlGuY> rx:  yes'm
[02:01] <bigleon> where Dr_Willis go?
[02:01] <kirk> any idea why when im trying to format a partition it keeps freezing?
[02:01] <CaBlGuY> bigleon:  I just like hangin out in this room..  people are a lot more friendly than that other ones..  ;)
[02:01] <bigleon> CaBIGuY well we are.... i'll admit that
[02:01] <uga> kirk: freezes the whole desktop?
[02:01] <kirk> yes
[02:01] <uga> uhm... something is pretty weird there....
[02:02] <CaBlGuY> kirk:  what distro?
[02:02] <uga> kirk: did you redo the partitions after formatting /dev/hdb as you did?
[02:02] <kirk> kubuntu 7.04
[02:02] <uga> I don't trust what mkfs can do to a whole drive
[02:02] <kirk> i deleted the 7.84 MB one
[02:03] <CaBlGuY> I dunno..  that's the first time I've heard of the whole system freezing like that..
[02:03] <CaBlGuY> !distro
[02:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about distro - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:03] <kirk> the weird one called hda-1
[02:04] <CaBlGuY> whats the name of the new distro?
[02:04] <kirk> 73% and stopped formatting, and will freeze in a minute
[02:04] <kirk> fiesty fawn?
[02:04] <BluesKaj> well, there still are some strange power issues in (K)Ubuntu that even the developers admit are troublesome ...they say they have most of the gremlins identified and are procceeding eliminate them in the next release ...gaw\d I hope so
[02:05] <CaBlGuY> no, not Fiesty..   next one do out next month
[02:05] <kirk> i dont know
[02:05] <kirk> i just switched to kubuntu 7.04 from windows, which i've been on my whole life
[02:06] <CaBlGuY> kirk:  well GOOD for you!!  :-D
[02:06] <drewcipher> gutsy
[02:06] <kirk> thanks. i'm lovin it so far
[02:06] <CaBlGuY> Welcome to the open source world!
[02:06] <CaBlGuY> and the more you learn, the more you'll love it..
[02:07] <CaBlGuY> that's benn my experience anyway..
[02:07] <CaBlGuY> not to mention it's not proprietary and all..
[02:07] <Dr_Willis> The more linux you lern, the more you relize that windows.. keeps its users.. well.. dumb. :)
[02:07] <kirk> i can tell, 've been stoned and on here ever since i installed it, havent slept very much
[02:09] <kirk> when i'm formatting this partition it gets to about 75% and starts lagging, then freezes
[02:09] <kirk> i've been trying to add this hd all day
[02:09] <BluesKaj> kirk, it doesn't hurt to sleep ...gotta stay sharp for the learning curve :)
[02:09] <CaBlGuY> hehe  indeed..
[02:09] <kirk> i get power naps in here and there
[02:10] <CaBlGuY> specially if it's your first distro..
[02:10] <coreymon77> kirk: how old is the drive
[02:10] <coreymon77> ?
[02:10] <kirk> maybe 2 years
[02:11] <kirk> formatted to 74% and stopped
[02:13] <CaBlGuY> !gutsy
[02:13] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:13] <CaBlGuY> there
[02:14] <coreymon77> hmm
[02:14] <coreymon77> there must be something wrong with the drive
[02:14] <coreymon77> because if this keeps on stalling at the same point
[02:15] <coreymon77> i doubt thats coincidence
[02:15] <BluesKaj> kirk, have you considered using a partition editor like GParted Live CD ?
[02:15] <bigleon> Willis  when it tells me to type make i get "make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found.  Stop."
[02:16] <coreymon77> kirk: thats an idea
[02:16] <coreymon77> kirk: kubuntu livecds have qtparted included in them
[02:16] <coreymon77> try formatting the drive on a livecd
[02:17] <coreymon77> they also have konversation on them, so you can talk to us there
[02:17] <dudeicles> anyone here ever have a problem with every other line is black, as to not being able to be read. I can send a SS to show you what I'm seeing.
[02:17] <BluesKaj> coreymon77, the GParted Live CD is bootable is really quite easy to use and it's very effective and safer than qtparted from what I've heard .
[02:17] <dudeicles> like my nicklist shows the first name, then the second name is black, the third fine and so on
[02:18] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: ya, but the kubuntu livecd also has konv on it
[02:18] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: so he can still talk to us
[02:18] <bigleon>  Blueskag i got this error "checking for X... configure: error: Can't find X libraries. Please check your installation and add the correct paths!
[02:18] <BluesKaj> I've used Gparted alot , but gotta say I've never tried qtparted
[02:18] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: and ive never had problems with qtparted
[02:19] <bigleon> how do i set it up? i'm trying to install this domino 4.0 thing
[02:19] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: the main reason im suggesting the kubuntu livecd is the fact that it also has konversation on it, so he can still get help from us while on it
[02:20] <coreymon77> where'd he go?
[02:20] <BluesKaj> yeah, coreymon77 , understood
[02:20] <martijn81> tribe6 isn't released yet, will it still be released?
[02:21] <BluesKaj> sorry bigleon , not familiar with domino 4.0  "thing"
[02:21] <bigleon> Okay
[02:21] <bigleon> 0.4**
[02:21] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: think you could help me?
[02:21] <coreymon77> martijn81: no, there isno formal release for tribe 6
[02:21] <kyubiii> Hello
[02:22] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, dunno ,depends what it is :)
[02:22] <Daisuke_Laptop> next will beta, i assume.
[02:22] <coreymon77> martijn81: but you can ask for a approx in #ubuntu+1 probably
[02:22] <dudeicles> BluesKaj:  can I send you the SS of what my niclist looks like?
[02:23] <martijn81> coreymon77: next release will be beta on 27 september?
[02:23] <dudeicles> this isn't only happening in Konv,  it happens in other programs as well.
[02:23] <coreymon77> martijn81: i dont know, im not te person to ask
[02:23] <dudeicles> you know hold on and i'll try to post it up to flikr
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> ooooh
[02:24] <Daisuke_Laptop> virtualbox is pretty nice
[02:24] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[02:24] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:24] <kyubiii> hello, im having a problem with the flash plugin  i cant watch any videos with firefox and Opera any1 cna hlep?
[02:25] <Daisuke_Laptop> which flash plugin did you install?
[02:25] <CaBlGuY> ok, im out guys..  ttyl--  0/
[02:25] <kyubiii> Flash_plugin_v9_non_free
[02:25] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: that's only text
[02:25] <dudeicles> here's the link
[02:25] <dudeicles> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8441470@N02/1383007467/
[02:25] <kirk> froze again
[02:26] <kirk> at 75%
[02:26] <kirk> anyone know why it keeps freezing and not letting me format the partition
[02:26] <kirk> ?
[02:26] <Daisuke_Laptop> hrmm
[02:27] <kirk> maybe a bad sector on the disk?
[02:27] <kirk> errr.. i dunnooooo
[02:27] <coreymon77> kirk: you on the livecd?
[02:27] <kirk> no no, im just adding this hd for storage
[02:27] <kirk> im not wanting to put an os on the disk
[02:28] <coreymon77> kirk: i know
[02:28] <coreymon77> kirk: but still
[02:28] <kirk> no i have kubuntu installed
[02:28] <BluesKaj> dudeicles , konverstion/settings/configure konverstion/nicklist themes
[02:28] <coreymon77> kirk: the kubuntu livecd has qtparted included on it
[02:28] <coreymon77> kirk: i know
[02:28] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: It's not only Konversation though
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: but maybe the fact that you are running it from your hard drive is causing the problems
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: run off the livecd and use qtparted from there
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: it might work
[02:29] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: I did that just now and now the icons look different but the black lines are still there.
[02:29] <kirk> ok
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: but
[02:29] <dudeicles> let me upload another pic from a different program
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: the livecd also has konversation on it
[02:29] <coreymon77> kirk: so you can still talk to us
[02:29] <kirk> awesome
[02:29] <kirk> brb
[02:30] <coreymon77> kirk: of course, youd have to connect
[02:30] <coreymon77> kirk: to the internet
[02:30] <kirk> i will
[02:30] <kirk> brb 1 sec
[02:30] <coreymon77> okay
[02:30] <kyubiii> any1 had any problems with the flashplugin???
[02:30] <BluesKaj> dudeicles, system settings/appearance ...look around in ther for different themes settings and icon settings etc
[02:31] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: k will see if that's it.
[02:31] <dudeicles> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8441470@N02/1383922668/
[02:32] <kyubiii> brb
[02:32] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: That doesn't work either.
[02:33] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: Have you ever seen anything like that?
[02:33] <motac_> Dr_Willis_
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> well THAT was unpleasant.
[02:34] <coreymon77> ???
[02:34] <motac_> thanx so much :) i am on kubuntu now
[02:34] <bigleon> Dr_Willis if you see people looking for help on domino, have them check out http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=546172 :D
[02:34] <bigleon> that way you can't go, "I have no idea " lmao
[02:34] <Dr_willis_> hmm,.
[02:34] <Daisuke_Laptop> installing xp in virtualbox, *everything* hung and i had to perform an unpleasantly hard reboot.
[02:34] <Dr_willis_> I dont even know what Domino IS :)
[02:35] <bigleon> it's for KDE GUI
[02:35] <Daisuke_Laptop> it's a song by KISS, duh
[02:35] <llivavin> Hrm firefox install help anyone?
[02:35] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get install firefox
[02:35] <Dr_willis_> :)
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> wow, that does look rather nice
[02:36] <llivavin> That and err My wireless card wont connect to the router
[02:36] <Daisuke_Laptop> however, i'm not much for the massive window borders
[02:36] <llivavin> always stop at 28%
[02:36] <bigleon> lol thats never a tuff one WIllis haha
[02:37] <coreymon77> kirk: your back
[02:37] <kirk> yes, on livecd now, gonna try to format again
[02:38] <llivavin> Can anyone help me with my wireless problem?
[02:38] <kirk> partition type ext3 right
[02:38] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: No ideas bud?
[02:38] <llivavin> Everyones bitching at me because Im using the lan line that normaly goes to the family computer >.<
[02:38] <kirk> ok here we go, lets see what happens
[02:39] <dudeicles> guess BluesKaj left. heh
[02:39] <BluesKaj> nope , no clue
[02:40] <dudeicles> weird huh?
[02:40] <kirk> up to 71% now dragging
[02:40] <kirk> same as usual
[02:40] <BluesKaj> yep
[02:40] <WaltzingAlong> sudo aptitude install firefox
[02:40] <dudeicles> I uninstalled KDE then installed it again.
[02:40] <WaltzingAlong> llivavin: yes we can
[02:40] <coreymon77> llivavin: what wireless card
[02:41] <coreymon77> kirk: no luck
[02:41] <coreymon77> ?
[02:41] <llivavin> one sec
[02:41] <llivavin> let me go get the thing
[02:41] <kirk> 72%, but it's acting the same
[02:41] <kirk> it'll freeze up at 75% in a few minutes
[02:41] <dudeicles> kirk: Is that the Ubuntu install?
[02:41] <coreymon77> dudeicles: no, drive format
[02:41] <dudeicles> mine did the same exact thing
[02:41] <kirk> no, im trying to format a partition
[02:41] <Dr_willis_> Freeze? Hmm.. use 'dmesg'  in a terminal window. to see whats going on. If any messages show up.
[02:42] <dudeicles> mine froze installing Ubuntu
[02:42] <coreymon77> Dr_willis_: the format always freezing at the same point
[02:42] <kirk> my system is installed fine, im just trying to add a hd
[02:42] <Dr_willis_> make 2 partions. :P one at about 60% the drive space..  other 40% heh....
[02:43] <Dr_willis_> i would say check dmesg when it 'freezes'
[02:43] <Dr_willis_> how big is this HD?
[02:43] <kirk> 150
[02:43] <llivavin> my card is a dlink
[02:43] <Dr_willis_> that shouldent take more then a min or 2 to format I think. :)
[02:43] <llivavin> as for what model
[02:43] <llivavin> no clue
[02:43] <coreymon77> Dr_willis_: he couldnt make any partitions, so we told him to reformat
[02:43] <kirk> [  223.929340]  hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.
[02:43] <coreymon77> llivavin: chipset?
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> coreymon77,  this is sounding worse and worse all the time.
[02:44] <kirk> that was the dmesg
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> kirk, .. odd....
[02:44] <llivavin> coreymon77:  Huh?
[02:44] <Dr_willis_> might want to google for that  message.
[02:45] <coreymon77> llivavin: desktop or laptop?
[02:45] <WaltzingAlong> llivavin: usb? pci?             lsusb            lspci
[02:45] <bigleon> brb
[02:45] <llivavin> Pci
[02:45] <llivavin> WirelessG
[02:45] <coreymon77> Dr_willis_: you think the drive is messed?
[02:46] <Dr_willis_> coreymon77,  sounding weird to me.. but not sure if that  message is sortof bad.. or Very bad.. or just a warning.
[02:46] <kirk> the drive was working and i saved all the data off it this morning
[02:46] <coreymon77> llivavin: okay, type lspci and put the output on pastebin
[02:46] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: how's this for weird. I opened another window and the nicklist looks fine.
[02:46] <llivavin> pj
[02:46] <Dr_willis_> thing about hard drives.. they can die at ANY TIME..
[02:46] <llivavin> ots Linksys
[02:46] <Dr_willis_> :) ive had them die while i was running an OS on them.
[02:46] <Dr_willis_> click-click-CLUNK... dead...
[02:47] <coreymon77> llivavin: type lspci in konsole and pastebin the output
[02:47] <coreymon77> kirk: i think the drive might be ready to go the way of the floppy
[02:47] <coreymon77> kirk: if you know what i mean
[02:47] <Dr_willis_> heck i got a stack of bigger hds here id give ya. :)
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> 150mb or 150gb
[02:48] <kirk> gb
[02:48] <pillowpants> is it possible to get windows to recognize a linux partition?
[02:48] <coreymon77> pillowpants: depends
[02:48] <Daisuke_Laptop> pillowpants: short answer, yes but
[02:48] <coreymon77> what fs?
[02:49] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: yes, depends on the filesystem though
[02:49] <pillowpants> just to access files
[02:49] <coreymon77> what fs
[02:49] <pillowpants> its ext3
[02:49] <llivavin> http://www.linksys.com/servlet/Satellite?c=L_Product_C2&childpagename=US%2FLayout&cid=1150490054358&pagename=Linksys%2FCommon%2FVisitorWrapper&lid=5435839789B08
[02:49] <llivavin> == one i havbe
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> then yes, but it's a pain and it makes me want to cry every time i attempt it
[02:49] <pillowpants> thats a bummer
[02:49] <Daisuke_Laptop> bigger question: this is on the same pc?
[02:49] <pillowpants> i have alot of music on here id like to cross over
[02:49] <pillowpants> yeah
[02:49] <coreymon77> llivavin: you could have done the lspci suggestion
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> pillowpants: what you CAN do is create a fat32 partition and do it that way
[02:50] <pillowpants> yeah, ive considered that
[02:50] <coreymon77> pillowpants: its called cut a little bit off of your drive, format it as fat32 and use it as shared storage
[02:50] <pillowpants> but im a little sparce on space
[02:50] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: or ext2
[02:50] <coreymon77> pillowpants: thats what i do
[02:50] <Daisuke_Laptop> in that case, both operating systems can see it and use it with no problems
[02:50] <pillowpants> ext2 is reconginzed? WaltzingAlong?
[02:51] <pillowpants> Daisuke_Laptop: ill probably end up doing that
[02:51] <kirk> ok heres what happened....
[02:51] <pillowpants> well thanks guys, but i have to be off
[02:51] <kirk> [  223.929340]  hda-intel: Invalid position buffer, using LPIB read method instead.
[02:51] <kirk> [  996.393843]  hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x61
[02:51] <kirk> [ 1036.908870]  hdb: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x60
[02:51] <kirk> [ 1036.908879]  hdb: DMA timeout retry
[02:51] <kirk> [ 1036.908881]  hdb: timeout waiting for DMA
[02:51] <pillowpants> peace
[02:51] <martijn81> !pastebin
[02:51] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[02:52] <coreymon77> llivavin: thats simple
[02:53] <llivavin> mmmm
[02:53] <llivavin> Google helped me
[02:53] <llivavin> nvm
[02:53] <coreymon77> your wireless card works out of the box
[02:53] <martijn81> have a good night all!
[02:53] <llivavin> corey
[02:53] <llivavin> then why does it stop
[02:53] <llivavin> at 28%
[02:53] <llivavin> always?
[02:54] <coreymon77> what are you talking about
[02:54] <coreymon77> why does what stop
[02:54] <llivavin> When ever i try to connect
[02:54] <llivavin> It stop at 28% connecting
[02:54] <coreymon77> llivavin: what is "it"
[02:54] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Laptop, what doesn't pillowpants just install ntfs-3g & ntfs-config unless he's running w98 on the windows partition , or did I miss something ?
[02:54] <llivavin> coryman the wireless config thing
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> llivavin is your router set up correctly?
[02:55] <coreymon77> llivavin: what, knetwork manager?
[02:55] <coreymon77> llivavin: try this
[02:55] <llivavin> coreymon77:  the one that came with it?
[02:55] <Daisuke_Laptop> BluesKaj: because he's wanting to share FROM linux with windows, not vice versa
[02:55] <llivavin> hitmanWilly: Yes its set up correctly
[02:55] <coreymon77> llivavin: do you know what your essid and wep key are?
[02:55] <garfield> !flash
[02:55] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:55] <llivavin> I dont use Wep keys
[02:55] <coreymon77> okay
[02:55] <hitmanWilly> llivavin wpa?
[02:55] <coreymon77> do you use any sort of key?
[02:55] <llivavin> No
[02:56] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: there is a program that can be used to access ext2. it can also access ext3 from ms windows but with ext3 the journal needs to be rebuilt (if changes are made)
[02:56] <llivavin> i have to many people over
[02:56] <llivavin> at once
[02:56] <BluesKaj> well there's that EXt3 program that one can use in windows to access linux partitions
[02:56] <llivavin> to use a key
[02:56] <coreymon77> llivavin: well thats dumb on its on, but, thats another issue
[02:56] <coreymon77> own*
[02:56] <coreymon77> llivavin: anyways
[02:56] <coreymon77> llivavin: type iwconfig in konsole
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> then go wpa
[02:56] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Laptop: that particular driver has issues with wpa
[02:56] <Daisuke_Laptop> ah
[02:57] <coreymon77> llivavin: did you do that?
[02:57] <llivavin> Yes
[02:57] <coreymon77> llivavin: does ra0 show up anywhere there?
[02:57] <llivavin> ra1 does
[02:57] <coreymon77> okay
[02:57] <Daisuke_Laptop> unless you live far far away from everyone and far enough back from the road that wardriving retards can't hijack your connection, you should really have some sort of protection...
[02:57] <coreymon77> good
[02:57] <llivavin> Daisuke_Laptop:  Im surounded by rednecks
[02:57] <llivavin> compleatly surounded
[02:57] <coreymon77> Daisuke_Laptop: thats another issue, lets work on getting the wireless working first
[02:58] <llivavin> I doubt any of them can figure out how to use it-.-
[02:58] <coreymon77> llivavin: anyways
[02:58] <coreymon77> llivavin: type this in konsole
[02:58] <llivavin> ok.
[02:58] <hitmanWilly> llivavin don't be so sure, i live in backwoods tennessee, and thought the same thing you do...until my wifi got hijacked
[02:58] <coreymon77> sudo iwconfig ra1 essid [your essid] 
[02:58] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: later
[02:59] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: lets work on getting it working first
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> k
[02:59] <hitmanWilly> :)
[02:59] <llivavin> Ok
[02:59] <coreymon77> done?
[02:59] <llivavin> let me go plug in my router  >.> i had to bring the modem into where my comp is
[02:59] <llivavin> >.<
[02:59] <coreymon77> internet should work now
[02:59] <coreymon77> llivavin: !!!!!!!
[02:59] <coreymon77> what?
[03:00] <llivavin> coreymon77: I had to bring the modem into my room
[03:00] <coreymon77> llivavin: and you are wondering why your wifis not working
[03:00] <llivavin> to be able to talk to you
[03:00] <llivavin> No
[03:00] <llivavin> im not that fucking stupid
[03:00] <llivavin> It wouldn't work
[03:00] <llivavin> before i did this
[03:00] <coreymon77> wow
[03:00] <llivavin> ....
[03:00] <coreymon77> language
[03:00] <coreymon77> !language
[03:00] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:00] <coreymon77> anyways
[03:00] <coreymon77> so
[03:00] <llivavin> Anything else
[03:00] <llivavin> i should do
[03:00] <llivavin> or
[03:00] <coreymon77> well
[03:00] <llivavin> you should tell me?
[03:01] <coreymon77> first plug in the router
[03:01] <BluesKaj> Daisuke_Laptop, I knew there was a read/write app one can run in windows to access linux = Ext2Fsd !
[03:01] <Daisuke_Laptop> yeah, but i don't trust it :)
[03:01] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: ya ext2
[03:01] <coreymon77> BluesKaj: not 3
[03:02] <BluesKaj> hey it's windows , how can it be trusted anyway :)
[03:03] <coreymon77> llivavin: routr plugged in?
[03:03] <coreymon77> router*
[03:03] <BluesKaj> coreymon77, I tried that app along time back and it worked, but i spend 99% of my time on Kubuntu so there's no need.
[03:08] <llivavin_> ok now.
[03:08] <Llivavin> Ok, Now what do i do.
[03:09] <dudeicles> BluesKaj: when I restarted konversation the problem stopped.
[03:11] <Llivavin> coreymon77: help now?
[03:11] <coreymon77> okay
[03:11] <coreymon77> patience
[03:11] <coreymon77> anyways
[03:11] <coreymon77> router plugged in
[03:11] <kirk> i'm out of patience, i give up
[03:11] <coreymon77> kirk: i think the hd is dead
[03:11] <coreymon77> Llivavin: router plugged in
[03:11] <coreymon77> ?
[03:12] <kirk> it was just working, right before i tried to format it
[03:12] <hitmanWilly> kirk have you fscked it?
[03:12] <kirk> no
[03:13] <Llivavin> o.O router shit out on me
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> kirk you may want to try that
[03:13] <kirk> how?
[03:13] <kirk> !fschk
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about fschk - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <stdin> !language | Llivavin
[03:13] <coreymon77> Llivavin: didnt we tell you about watching your language?
[03:13] <ubotu> Llivavin: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> kirk what are you on now?
[03:13] <kirk> kubuntu 7.04
[03:13] <coreymon77> Llivavin: anyways
[03:13] <hitmanWilly> kirk drive is on the system?
[03:13] <kirk> yes
[03:13] <coreymon77> Llivavin: so, is the router plugged in?
[03:14] <coreymon77> !fsck | kirk
[03:14] <ubotu> kirk: fsck is the FileSystem ChecKer, which runs automatically when you boot if you didn't shutdown cleanly. Type "man fsck" for information on running it manually. The command "sudo shutdown -F -r now" will force a reboot and a filesystem check; "sudo touch /fastboot" will skip a filesystem check at next reboot
[03:14] <Llivavin> coreymon77:  when i try to connect using the network manager it says activation stage configuring device. and then stops
[03:14] <coreymon77> Llivavin: dont use network manager, it sucks
[03:14] <coreymon77> Llivavin: use the iwconfig command
[03:14] <hitmanWilly> kirk ok, sudo fsck /dev/<device>
[03:15] <coreymon77> Llivavin: sudo iwconfig ra1 essid [your essid] 
[03:15] <Llivavin> I have
[03:15] <Llivavin> It doesnt do anything.
[03:15] <kirk> !paste
[03:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:15] <coreymon77> Llivavin: yes it does
[03:15] <coreymon77> Llivavin: that connects you to your network
[03:15] <Llivavin> Ok.. now how would i check.
[03:16] <kirk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37465/
[03:16] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: whats the matter wth iwconfig
[03:16] <coreymon77> Llivavin: type the command
[03:16] <coreymon77> Llivavin: then try pinging google
[03:16] <coreymon77> Llivavin: and if that doesnt work, try pinging your router
[03:16] <hitmanWilly> coreymon77, i was referring to the fsck cmd
[03:17] <coreymon77> Llivavin: of course, take out the lan line cable before pinging
[03:17] <Llivavin> ... I could just do an easer test
[03:17] <coreymon77> Llivavin: take out the cable, run the command, ping
[03:17] <Llivavin> and see if i disconnect from IRC
[03:17] <Llivavin> >.>
[03:17] <hitmanWilly> actually, iwconfig by itself should show weather its up or not
[03:17] <coreymon77> Llivavin: and you do know to replace [your essid]  with your essid right?
[03:17] <kirk> heres output from fsck http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37465/
[03:18] <coreymon77> Llivavin: just try doing what i said
[03:18] <coreymon77> Llivavin: take out the cable, run the command, ping google, ping your router
[03:18] <kirk> bad majic number in super block - I'm Lost!
[03:18] <kirk> magic*
[03:18] <coreymon77> kirk: as i said, your drive is dead
[03:18] <hitmanWilly> kirk ok, you've got a corrupted super block there...
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> kirk you could try reformatting it, but yeah, its probably dead
[03:19] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: reformatting stalls at the same point every time
[03:19] <hitmanWilly> ah..k, dead drive
[03:19] <kirk> that sucks, was just working earlier
[03:20] <llivavin_> so
[03:20] <llivavin_> err
[03:20] <coreymon77> hitmanWilly: pm
[03:20] <llivavin_> No
[03:20] <coreymon77> llivavin_: no?
[03:21] <llivavin> Nein
[03:21] <llivavin> It did not work
[03:22] <coreymon77> llivavin: you know what, i tried, this is a general linux question, try in ##linux
[03:24] <kirk> ok this is weird.........
[03:26] <bigleon> anybody fimilar with KBFX
[03:26] <kirk> i think i found the problem corey
[03:26] <hitmanWilly> bigleon, yeah, i use it, what's up
[03:27] <bigleon> hitmanWilly I can't get mine to work
[03:27] <llivavin> Ok, New problem why is it saying the graphics drivers arn't installed
[03:27] <bigleon> I got a kfbx theme and it "installed" but i'm not seeing any changes
[03:27] <hitmanWilly> bigleon, what's the problem?
[03:27] <llivavin> i thought Ubuntu had the nvidia ones allready in?
[03:28] <kirk> hitmanwilly: will u check this for me... http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3746
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> bigleon, did you configure it to use the new theme?
[03:28] <bigleon> not sure how XD
[03:28] <bigleon> i figure i select it then "apply"
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> kirk, page not found
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> bigleon,   KBFX (thats the K menu replacement thing right)
[03:28] <Dr_willis_> !info kbfx
[03:28] <ubotu> kbfx: an alternative to K-Menu for KDE. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.9.2~rc4-1 (feisty), package size 1268 kB, installed size 3748 kB
[03:28] <hitmanWilly> Dr_willis_, yup
[03:29] <Dr_willis_> bigleon,  Ive never seen anyone that can get it working right. :)
[03:29] <Dr_willis_> we tried in here a few months ago. heh
[03:29] <kirk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37467/
[03:29] <bigleon> Thats ummmm
[03:29] <bigleon> discouraging
[03:29] <bigleon> Hey I did too
[03:29] <kirk> it has two lines with hdb1 on it
[03:29] <bigleon> Did that link i posted help ya WIllis?
[03:29] <Dr_willis_> I hate the OS-X circle buttons.
[03:29] <Dr_willis_> bigleon,  i allready had all the stuff installed it mentioned. :)
[03:30] <Dr_willis_> they also dont mention the color scheme that it dident seem to install.
[03:30] <hitmanWilly> kirk, id say comment out the ntfs one, and try it with that
[03:30] <bigleon> I got the color scheme to work
[03:31] <bigleon> you just gotta check file make sure there is no spaces in it's "name"
[03:32] <mrksbrd> can someone help me w/my @%#^%^ wifi card, connects to router, but cannot get ip address....already tried static, dhcp....everyhing@@@@@@@
[03:33] <kirk> hmmmmmmmmm
[03:34] <vladimir_> Hello
[03:36] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: what chipset?
[03:36] <mrksbrd> let me get it for u
[03:36] <mrksbrd> but i know it is one that is supported..
[03:36] <vladimir_> :-E
[03:37] <mrksbrd> 02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG Network Connection (rev 05)
[03:37] <nosrednaekim> hello vladimir_
[03:37] <mrksbrd> here's the thing...it was working...then ran a few updates/installs & now not working
[03:37] <vladimir_> Hello
 Hello
[03:38] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: any kernel updates?
[03:39] <vladimir_> Hello
[03:39] <mrksbrd> not that I can remember.....what is the command in terminal to see what kernal u have?
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> uname -a
[03:40] <nosrednaekim> it should also be on your grub menu when you boot up.
[03:41] <mrksbrd> Linux IBM-laptop 2.6.20-16-generic #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:41] <mrksbrd> grub doesn't show it
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: hmm ok.
[03:42] <nosrednaekim> I think thats the original kernel.
[03:42] <mrksbrd> yea i think so
[03:43] <mrksbrd> i know they have a new one out but unsure on how to properly install it using terminal.....none of the update progs have ever offered to upgrade kernel
[03:43] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: what happens when you do dhclient <netowrk device>
[03:44] <mrksbrd> lemme check
[03:45] <xp_killer> stdin: how do i uninstall in a konsole?
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> sudo apt-get remove stufftoremove
[03:46] <stdin> xp_killer: you don't want to
[03:46] <xp_killer> Dr_willis_: ok
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> ubuntu basics. :)
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> time to read up on apt-get ussage
[03:46] <Dr_willis_> !apt-get
[03:46] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[03:46] <xp_killer> stdin: why?
[03:46] <stdin> xp_killer: because it's a core part of KDE
[03:46] <stdin> and Adept needs it
[03:47] <xp_killer> lol i know that but i just want to know how to remove in a konsole :)
[03:49] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37469/
[03:49] <mrksbrd> nosred...that is what the return was
[03:50] <jmdc> is anyone here using the kde4 beta?
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> no no, run "sudo dhclient eth1" or eth2 or whatever iwconfig shows as your wireless device.
[03:50] <nosrednaekim> jmdc: yeah
[03:51] <mrksbrd> oh ok....duh
[03:52] <nosrednaekim> its ok... we all learn that sometime :)
[03:53] <aliasrush> nosrednaekim: how stable is it right now?
[03:53] <nosrednaekim> aliasrush: hmmm excuse me.. I use beta1... haven't tried beta two yet
[03:53] <jmdc> nosrednaekim: I installed kdebase-workspace, and copied the session file over, as per the announcment. That didn't install very much stuff though.
[03:54] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37470/
[03:54] <nosrednaekim> jmdc: sorry I forgot.. I use beta1... so i'm not sure what you have to do.
[03:54] <jmdc> well, I think I just need to install more packages, I was just wondering if anyone here had done that
[03:54] <aliasrush> nosrednaekim: are you involved at all with the development of it.... do you program?
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> I program... but no.
[03:55] <nosrednaekim> I'll probably start writing programs once it becomes stable (4.0)
[03:55] <aliasrush> so how is it looking?
[03:57] <mrksbrd> NOS did u see that last paste??
[03:57] <xp_killer> stdin: everytime i add something to a text there's another file that apears next to it name the same but with a " - " at the end.how do i stop that file from apearing everytime i modify a txt?
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: yep...
[03:58] <mrksbrd> k
[03:58] <stdin> xp_killer: it adds a '~' and it's a setting in kate
[03:58] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: pastebin your iwconfig
[03:58] <mrksbrd> k
[03:59] <llivavin> Ok can someone help me with my graphics driver problem?
[03:59] <mrksbrd> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37471/
[03:59] <llivavin> Seeing as its nivida geforce it should have worked right out
[03:59] <llivavin> and allowed me to go higher then 800x600
[03:59] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin, with waht driver?
[04:00] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, areyou saving the file after editing ? I
[04:00] <Powerking89670> hey everyone, does anyone have experiance with LAMP and some time to help me out?
[04:01] <BluesKaj> !lamp | Powerking89670
[04:01] <ubotu> Powerking89670: LAMP is an acronym for Linux-Apache-MySQL-PHP. However, the term is often used for setups using alternative but different software, such as Perl or Python instead of PHP, and Postgres instead of MySQL. For help with setting up LAMP on Ubuntu, see  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ApacheMySQLPHP - See also the Server CD installation process (different in Edgy+)
[04:01] <Powerking89670> Tried it
[04:01] <Powerking89670> didnt help, still wants me to download the php file after I do all the steps
[04:01] <Powerking89670> Ive tried several times at that...
[04:03] <fastaire> I'm totally new to linux, so bear with me. I'm planning on switching over as soon as ALSA's next release comes out, as it will have support for my soundcard.
[04:04] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd: stupid q..... is your wireless switch on?
[04:04] <fastaire> With KDE is it possible to set the "taskbar," if that is what you call the main launchbar, to autohide when your mouse isn't over it? Is it also possible to move it to the side of the monitor rather than at the bottom?
[04:04] <r3dn3x0r> fastaire, yes and yes
[04:05] <fastaire> r3dn3x0r, thank you very much!
[04:05] <r3dn3x0r> fastaire, right click it and "configure panel"
[04:06] <fastaire> thank you very much! One more question, is it necessary to have a firewall or antivirus with Kubuntu as in Windows?
[04:06] <r3dn3x0r> fastaire, firewall, yes, av, no
[04:07] <stdin> fastaire: firewall isn't actually necessary, only if you run open services
[04:07] <r3dn3x0r> fastaire, you will probably never have a virus problem on nix
[04:07] <gnomefreak> iptables works fine so no need to install firewall, you can get gui config for iptables if needed
[04:07] <fastaire> right on, thanks a lot for all the info so quickly
[04:07] <r3dn3x0r> fastaire, common questions
[04:08] <xp_killer> stdin: i dont see where in kate i can deactivat the backup file from apearring :(
[04:08] <stdin> xp_killer: look in the settings
[04:08] <coreymon77> llivavin: any luck?
[04:09] <stdin> xp_killer: under Open/Save
[04:09] <xp_killer> ok
[04:10] <coreymon77> llivavin: hello?
[04:10] <nosrednaekim> hey coreymon77, were you approved?
[04:11] <coreymon77> nosrednaekim: yup!
[04:11] <nosrednaekim> sweet.. :)
[04:14] <mrksbrd1> NOS....don't know what happened there
[04:14] <mrksbrd1> now this is the other wierd thing.......sometimes after a few mins after connecting it will obtain an ip, last several attempts have failed.....when I just re-connected.....i have an ip, as soon as I reboot, problem starts all over again.....this is what is confusing me
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> mrksbrd1: I have to go.... sorry..... talk to coreymon77
[04:15] <mrksbrd1> so now I have an ip, but still unable to connect to internet
[04:15] <mrksbrd1> k
[04:16] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, can you ping ip addresses?
[04:16] <mrksbrd1> let me check
[04:16] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd1, if you can its a dns issue
[04:16] <mrksbrd1> yes can ping
[04:17] <mrksbrd1> w/router or wifi card??
[04:17] <coreymon77> llivavin: any luck?
[04:17] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, did you ping an actual internet ip?
[04:17] <mrksbrd1> no local
[04:17] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, or a local one?
[04:17] <mrksbrd1> hold on
[04:18] <coreymon77> llivavin: you there?
[04:18] <mrksbrd1> ping'd yahoo.com & sending back responses
[04:18] <llivavin> coreymon77:
[04:18] <llivavin> None
[04:18] <llivavin> D:
[04:18] <rrbiz> dang i don't want to install opera just for it's fit to width feature, konqueror is my fav but some web pages are too wide
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> rrbiz,  gee. i never seen that.
[04:18] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, the name or the actual ip?
[04:18] <Dr_willis_> You got a small monitor?
[04:19] <llivavin> I think my computer needs a manual DNS thing input
[04:19] <mrksbrd1> name
[04:19] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, ok, dns is working then
[04:19] <rrbiz> 1024x800 but like having few winows open, not just browser
[04:19] <Dr_willis_> Ive seen some badly written web sites that scroll to the sides when they shouldent.  :) but i also have wide screen monitors.
[04:19] <mrksbrd1> ya know what.....duh
[04:19] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, assuming you're actually getting responses then
[04:19] <Dr_willis_> rrbiz,  try some virtual desktops? i just tend to fullsize everything, then switch desktops
[04:19] <mrksbrd1> was prolly going thru my aircard...have to disc....brb
[04:20] <rrbiz> don't know why only Opera is the best at handeling screwing websites
[04:20] <mrksbrd1> brb r3
[04:20] <coreymon77> llivavin: the people in #debian might be able to help
[04:20] <Dr_willis_> rrbiz,  they focused on that feature becuase they also got opera for phones, and the Wii, and the GBDS
[04:20] <coreymon77> llivavin: try there
[04:20] <Dr_willis_> rrbiz,   i guess. :)
[04:20] <rrbiz> yeah they surely got it down real nice
[04:21] <Dr_willis_> rrbiz,  i was thinking there was a beryl, or was it mettis (metisse) desktop feature that could zoom/reduce any window.
[04:21] <rrbiz> if konqueror could do that i'd really have it made
[04:21] <Dr_willis_> which seemed like a neat. but not too useable feature. :)
[04:21] <coreymon77> llivavin: hello?
[04:21] <rrbiz> Dr_willis_: yeah that's another way around it if so
[04:22] <Dr_willis_> write the web site makers and complaine! :)
[04:22] <Powerking89670> question: I do not need apache to use apache2 right?
[04:22] <rrbiz> lol, that'd be all, it's more of the browsers
[04:22] <mrksbrd> ok pings locally but not on the net!!!
[04:22] <coreymon77> llivavin: you around?
[04:22] <Powerking89670> because for some reason I dont understand and will prolly never understand apache2 decides NOT to give me an http.conf file
[04:23] <r3dn3x0r> mrksbrd, check the router settings, make sure those are set up correctly
[04:23] <mrksbrd> I HATE COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!!
[04:23] <Dr_willis_> mrksbrd,  take up golf.
[04:23] <Dr_willis_> :)
[04:23] <bigleon> I love them with a slightly disturbing passion J/k
[04:24] <Dr_willis_> Then you can hit the PC with a 7 iron!
[04:24] <mrksbrd> I get too opissed @ that too....
[04:24] <Dr_willis_> Use the Driver on the Mouse!
[04:24] <mrksbrd> prolly take up underwater dancing
[04:24] <coreymon77> hey
[04:24] <coreymon77> mouse drivers!
[04:24] <Dr_willis_> coreymon77,  :)
[04:24] <Dr_willis_> A use for all those old Mouse Balls.
[04:24] <Dr_willis_> I bet those would fly!
[04:30] <lostkey> hmmm
[04:31] <mrksbrd> r3 ty for attempting to help me....my patients are shot, i'm getting ready to throw this thing in the air & see how far I can hit it
[04:32] <mike-kubuntu> hey, for some reason ddclient is not on my list of boot services to enable, i had it installed and then uninsalled and reinstalled, any tips on how to get it back on the list of boot services and somehow keep it running?
[04:32] <Powerking89670> mrksbrd im about to do the same based on the crap im having with LAMP
[04:32] <mike-kubuntu> or make sure it is indeed runing when i use dhcp?
[04:32] <mike-kubuntu> ez-ipupdate is available as a service but i don't think that is the same as ddclient
[04:33] <mrksbrd> I don't understand how things can be working, then on next reboot everything goes haywire......I thought windows was bad!!!!
[04:34] <mrksbrd> gues there is nothing as a "perfect os"
[04:35] <Powerking89670> mrksbrd, linux is better than windows, however, if you mess up in linux you useually end up with bigger problams
[04:35] <Powerking89670> problems*
[04:35] <Powerking89670> windows is designed to do everything for you, linux is designed for you to configure everything
[04:36] <mrksbrd> amazin how i can get an unsuported aircard to work...but a simple wifi is kicking my butt!!!!
[04:36] <Powerking89670> its preferance, if you like your stuff handed to you preconfigured to someone else's liking, you get windows, if not, get linux
[04:36] <mrksbrd> i know it's better, i'm just pissed right now...i would never go back to windows
[04:37] <Powerking89670> oh, I know im just being myself
[04:37] <Powerking89670> I get like that when im frustrated too, but id never insult tux!
[04:37] <mrksbrd> lol
[04:38] <Powerking89670> you better, or he'll have you killed on reboot
[04:39] <mrksbrd> lol....prolly already in the worx
[04:39] <r3dn3x0r> hey, that's GNU/Tux to you, mister :P
[04:40] <llivavin> Ok
[04:40] <llivavin> now then
[04:40] <llivavin> I think everything is finaly fixed
[04:41] <coreymon77> really
[04:41] <intelikey> how long do usb flash drives generally last ?
[04:41] <r3dn3x0r> intelikey, who knows?
[04:41] <Powerking89670> I swear, this is killing me, im about to go break some necks, im flamboozled...flabbergasted...
[04:41] <mrksbrd> my problem is i don't know enough of the internal workings w/this os yet & it just frustrated the h*** out of me when something worx & a flip of a dime it doesn't anymore
[04:41] <Powerking89670> ive tried every possible method of isntalling LAMP save doing it by hand
[04:41] <Powerking89670> and its like im pulling teeth
[04:42] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin, what was the problem, out of curiosity
[04:42] <intelikey> mrksbrd pie crust promise
[04:43] <mrksbrd> lol
[04:44] <mneptok> mrksbrd: http://www.savoirfairelinux.com/english/news/articles/formation-ubuntu-professional-en-ligne/
[04:45] <intelikey> oh another 3lit3 club for 633k5
[04:46] <mneptok> intelikey: ?
[04:46] <mrksbrd> mneptok, will look into that
[04:47] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin, you there?
[04:48] <mrksbrd> well goodnight all!!!!
[04:48] <llivavin_> Ok
[04:48] <llivavin_> NOW
[04:48] <r3dn3x0r> wow, i must have like psychic powers or something...
[04:48] <llivavin_> everything is fixed
[04:48] <llivavin_> but drivers...
[04:48] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin, what for?
[04:48] <llivavin_> Nvidia geforce 6500 LE
[04:48] <llivavin_> >.<
[04:48] <llivavin_> Anyone help?
[04:49] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin, ok, you want the proprietary nvidia ones, right?
[04:49] <dsmith_> !jarnal
[04:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about jarnal - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:49] <dsmith_> drats
[04:49] <llivavin_> r3dn3x0r:
[04:49] <llivavin_> Errr
[04:49] <llivavin_> What do you mean?
[04:50] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, you want the accelerated nvidia drivers, correct?
[04:50] <llivavin_> Doesn't matter to me.
[04:50] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, well, you already have the open ones, or at least should
[04:50] <llivavin_> Well.... err
[04:51] <mneptok> llivavin_: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[04:51] <llivavin_> they didn't work
[04:51] <mneptok> llivavin_: paste that one line to the channel, please
[04:51] <r3dn3x0r> !doesn't work | llivavin_
[04:51] <ubotu> llivavin_: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:51] <intelikey> mneptok cat to grep     tisk tisk...
[04:51] <coreymon77> mneptok: r3dn3x0r can take care of this one
[04:51] <giovani> hello everyone -- I'm having some audio problems -- I'm able to play audio in amarok just fine, but every other application has no volume ... no errors though, any ideas?
[04:52] <llivavin_> Damn it, I forgot to back up my firefox settings/themes before i reformated D:
[04:52] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, in other words, how doesn't it work?
[04:52] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, or what are you trying to do, exactly
[04:52] <Powerking89670> WOOT! I got lamp working, FINALLY
[04:52] <llivavin_> r3dn3x0r:  It just didnt work
[04:53] <llivavin_> im trying to get my res back to 1280x1024
[04:53] <Powerking89670> reading man pages helps....lets me know about the purge option
[04:53] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, you may need the proprietary ones to go that high
[04:53] <llivavin_> Ok, Now how would i get them.
[04:54] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, open up a konsole
[04:54] <coreymon77> Powerking89670: thats what man pages are for
[04:54] <intelikey> "nv" driver can do at least 1600x1200
[04:54] <r3dn3x0r> intelikey, really? hmmm
[04:54] <llivavin_> ok console open
[04:54] <intelikey> r3dn3x0r yes.
[04:55] <aJaxs> in which directory does kdmrc reside ?
[04:55] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, lets try something else first, pastebin xorg.conf please
[04:55] <llivavin_> wha?
[04:55] <mneptok> llivavin_: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[04:55] <mneptok> llivavin_: paste that one line to the channel, please
[04:55] <Powerking89670> I swear, im so happy...I love you all!
[04:55] <Powerking89670> :P
[04:55] <llivavin_> Driver          "nv"
[04:55] <llivavin_> hrm?
[04:56] <llivavin_> that what you want mneptok?
[04:56] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, you're running the open one, then
[04:56] <mneptok> llivavin_: you are using the open-source, 2D only driver. do you want 3D capabilities?
[04:56] <intelikey> aJaxs don't think you have one.    $HOME/.kdmrc  would be a good guess but you won't find that.    you may want the .conf file    /etc/kde*/kdm/
[04:56] <llivavin_> 3d
[04:56] <wers> the "bit" of video cards determine what? screen refresh rate?
[04:56] <mneptok> llivavin_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[04:57] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, you need the proprietary ones, then
[04:57] <mneptok> wers: color depth
[04:57] <r3dn3x0r> mneptok, for a 6200?
[04:57] <mneptok> r3dn3x0r: yeah, i *think* that's new enough
[04:57] <wers> thanks mneptok
[04:57] <r3dn3x0r> mneptok, maybe, well, we can give it a shot, i guess
[04:58] <mneptok> roll back to nvidia-glx if it makes The Anger Face
[04:58] <llivavin_> E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
[04:58] <llivavin_> E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?
[04:58] <mneptok> llivavin_: close Adept or any other update apps
[04:58] <llivavin_> Oh i had synpatic open
[04:58] <mneptok> that ... would do it
[04:59] <llivavin_> Ok, Thats done
[04:59] <llivavin_> now what
[04:59] <mneptok> llivavin_: sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx-new
[04:59] <llivavin_> Did that
[04:59] <llivavin_> I ment after that
[04:59] <mneptok> llivavin_: cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep nv
[04:59] <mneptok> llivavin_: paste that one line to the channel, please
[04:59] <mneptok> (sound familiar?) ;)
[04:59] <llivavin_> ok
[04:59] <llivavin_> Done.
[04:59] <llivavin_> That it?
[05:00] <mneptok> llivavin_: what did it return?
[05:00] <llivavin_>  Driver          "nv"
[05:00] <intelikey> yes it does.  and i'll be a little more blunt     grep nv /etc/X11/xorg.conf    would look better and do the same thing.
[05:00] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ok, looks like you need to edit xorg.conf
[05:00] <CheshireKot> make it "nvidia"
[05:00] <intelikey> less useless plumbing
[05:00] <r3dn3x0r> intelikey, agreed
[05:00] <llivavin_> Ok..
[05:01] <llivavin_> r3dn3x0r:  Tell me what to do now...
[05:01] <llivavin_> :v
[05:01] <CheshireKot> change this string for "nvidia" and restart X-s
[05:01] <mneptok> my suspiscion is that if xorg.conf wasn't updated, -new is missing the 6200 goodies
[05:01] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, in a konsole, sudo nano /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:01] <llivavin_> pl
[05:01] <llivavin_> ok*
[05:01] <r3dn3x0r> mneptok, apt doesn't auto update xorg
[05:02] <mneptok> r3dn3x0r: yes, it does.
[05:02] <mneptok> r3dn3x0r: or, rather, it should
[05:02] <r3dn3x0r> mneptok, not in my experience, or is that something new?
[05:02] <intelikey> only if it has not been edited.
[05:02] <mneptok> ^^
[05:02] <llivavin_> ok
[05:02] <mneptok> intelikey: "manually edited"
[05:02] <llivavin_> What do i put under driver r3dn3x0r
[05:02] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, nvidia
[05:02] <intelikey> is there another kind ?
[05:03] <holycow> heh
[05:03] <mneptok> intelikey: it will still make changes if another apt process changed the file
[05:03] <holycow> i think i actually broke dpkg
[05:03] <holycow> super
[05:03] <llivavin_> That it r3dn3x0r?
[05:03] <coreymon77> wow
[05:03] <coreymon77> to quote you name
[05:03] <coreymon77> holycow
[05:03] <coreymon77> how did you do that
[05:03] <Daisuke_Laptop> sweet, now i can do my homework without relying on my fiancee's laptop
[05:03] <holycow> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:03] <holycow> running that command you get:
[05:03] <r3dn3x0r> save the file and restart X
[05:03] <holycow>  field name `[' must be followed by colon
[05:03] <llivavin_> And you do that how :v
[05:04] <llivavin_> Im a compleate noob when it comes to linux
[05:04] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, ctrl-o to save
[05:04] <llivavin_> In case you havent noticed
[05:04] <intelikey> holycow you are now an official member of the intelikey club     anyone that breaks dpkg or libc6   gets inducted
[05:04] <holycow> well the system hung hard and all i could do was restart during a dist upgrade
[05:04] <holycow> intelikey: sweet
[05:04] <holycow> i didn't think this was possible but i did it
[05:04] <llivavin_> Ok how do you restart x:?
[05:04] <r3dn3x0r> llivavin_, then sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart to restart X
[05:04] <CheshireKot> ctrl+alt+backspace
[05:05] <coreymon77> holycow: thats a little dumb, to say the least
[05:05] <coreymon77> holycow: restart during a dist upgrade?
[05:05] <CheshireKot> restarted)
[05:05] <holycow> coreymon77: no
[05:05] <holycow> what is dumb is that you can't fucking read
[05:05] <holycow> thats whats dumb
[05:05] <intelikey> easy.
[05:05] <stdin> holycow: watch the language
[05:05] <intelikey> i'm as dumb as anyone else and i can read
[05:06] <intelikey> i just can't type or spell
[05:06] <coreymon77> lol
[05:06] <intelikey> or walk and chew gum
[05:07] <xp_killer> ?
[05:08] <CheshireKot> garfield! my congratulations!
[05:08] <Powerking89670> CheshireKot what language do you speak?
[05:08] <CheshireKot> I'm russian and I know there's russian support channel)))
[05:09] <Powerking89670> Ahh, I dont speak russian sorry :-/
[05:09] <intelikey> holycow does apt-get install -f   error out   (obviously but) what message ?
[05:09] <CheshireKot> what languages do you speak?
[05:09] <Powerking89670> dont use apt-get aptitude = better
[05:09] <Powerking89670> I know English and some french
[05:10] <intelikey> or is that   bass too    ?     told you i can't spell
[05:10] <holycow> E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem.
[05:10] <holycow> beautifull circular
[05:10] <CheshireKot> !
[05:10] <intelikey> holycow and you ran that and it said what ?
[05:11] <intelikey> sudo dpkg --configure -a
 running that command you get:
 field name `[' must be followed by colon
[05:12] <intelikey> no indication what script that's from ?
[05:12] <holycow> not from the error messages
[05:13] <holycow> i should do some tracking but frankly its not really that important right now
[05:13] <holycow> its friday
[05:13] <holycow> i just thought it curious i broke something that is effectively unbreakable
[05:13] <intelikey> looks like bashism maybe.   try    rm /bin/sh ;ln -s /bin/bash /bin/sh      and re-run the --configure
[05:14] <intelikey> or it may be libc that you broke...  heh   that's even more spactacular !
[05:15] <llivavin> Ok
[05:15] <llivavin> what the hell happend?
[05:15] <hydrogen>  /bin/sh is dash here
[05:15] <llivavin> I got brought to a black screen
[05:15] <llivavin> And anytime i restart it goes back to that black screen.
[05:15] <llivavin> Which lands me now on the live CD
[05:15] <r3dn3x0r> ok, guess it wasn't the -new driver after all
[05:15] <CheshireKot> Have anyone met the following problem: in english KDE   ?
[05:15] <coreymon77> oh
[05:16] <r3dn3x0r> be back in a sec, food run
[05:16] <llivavin> .... So How would i fix my problem...
[05:20] <weedar> Is there any software that will lower the speed of my laptop until the fan is turned off?
[05:21] <underdog5004> !freq
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freq - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <underdog5004> !frequency
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about frequency - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <underdog5004> bummer
[05:21] <hydrogen> you can do it manually
[05:21] <hydrogen> in power manager
[05:21] <hydrogen> right click->cpu policy
[05:21] <stdin> !scale
[05:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about scale - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:21] <underdog5004> cpu frequency changer
[05:21] <underdog5004> sorry, my mind is being altered right now
[05:22] <weedar> hydrogen: thanks for the tip, but I'd like something that helps me find the highest level my computer can run at without turning on the fan
[05:22] <_2> holycow my modem reset,   did you try changing sh to point at bash ?
[05:22] <weedar> underdog5004: I know the feeling
[05:22] <hydrogen> weedar: not sure if such a thing exists
[05:23] <holycow> _2: not yet, working on a few other things first
[05:23] <weedar> hydrogen: Ooh, sounds like a fun project then. Guess I'll look for the commands needed and write a script or small program :)
[05:24] <weedar> hydrogen: where is the power manager?
[05:24] <hydrogen> weedar: its in the panel
[05:24] <hydrogen> its the battery
[05:32] <_2> how hard is it to network usb to usb boxen ?
[05:42] <coonlokht> salut
[05:42] <coonlokht> j'aimerai rajouter quelques lignes dans mon vimrc pour replier uniquement les fonctions
[05:43] <coreymon77> !fr
[05:43] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[05:43] <coonlokht> quelqu'un a t'il la solution ?
[05:43] <coreymon77> !fr
[05:43] <coonlokht> !fr
[05:43] <coonlokht> ...
[05:43] <coreymon77> !fr
[05:43] <coonlokht> ok
[05:45] <_2> SQUASHFS error: Unable to read page, block 24954d16, size 4fa4
[05:46] <_2> is there a known issue with compaq computers and the live CD ?
[05:48] <coreymon77> _2: other than the fact that they are very old
[05:48] <coreymon77> ?
[05:48] <pillowpants> how might i go about getting pidgin on my kubuntu system
[05:48] <pillowpants> for amd64
[05:49] <_2> yeah "VERY VERY OLD" ten years newer than this one i'm talking on...
[05:49] <_2> pillowpants install gaim
[05:49] <coreymon77> _2: wow, how old is that one
[05:50] <_2> coreymon77 meh 12/13 years
[05:50] <coreymon77> _2: the reason i said that is because compaq went under many years ago
[05:50] <coreymon77> _2: they were bought out
[05:50] <coreymon77> _2: and that was the end of it
[05:50] <pillowpants> _2: nay, i will not settle for gaim, i need pidgin
[05:50] <pillowpants> despite the fact theyre the same things
[05:51] <_2> yes a few years ago.   and in most computer minded mentality that is very old.  i know.  i was just pointing out that ages is not at all the issue
[05:51] <_2> pillowpants gaim is pidgin
[05:51] <_2> duh
[05:52] <pillowpants> _2: i know
[05:52] <pillowpants> _2: but id like pidgin, not gaim ya'see
[05:52] <pillowpants> _2: for i am stubborn
[05:52] <xp_killer> ???
[05:52] <Powerking89670> im with you pillowpants
[05:52] <_2> well then you take care of it.   ya see.
[05:52] <Powerking89670> :p, I stuck with GAIM cause its easier
[05:52] <pillowpants> ha
[05:53] <Powerking89670> you could install the rpm package, and install their RPM
[05:53] <pillowpants> Powerking89670: i may just do the same, before i gauge how hard getting pidgin might be, i did it on a previous install but with a few complications
[05:53] <pillowpants> yeah, i converted the rpm to a deb
[05:54] <_2> you could install gaim and rename it your self too...  but i know that's not an option...
[05:54] <Powerking89670> 2 its not the name
[05:54] <Powerking89670> its the functionality
[05:54] <Powerking89670> pidgin has options GAIM does not
[05:54] <Powerking89670> GoogleChat is one of them
[05:55] <_2> hmmm pressed "shipit" CD 83 check sum's failed
[05:56] <pillowpants> why isnt there an amd64 ver yet anyway?
[05:56] <pillowpants> x86 has it
[05:56] <pillowpants> same with flash
[05:57] <pillowpants> x86 has flash, but amd64 must suffer for being cooler, and faster
[05:57] <pillowpants> i think not
[06:01] <josh__> hi
[06:01] <josh__> i'm having trouble withstepmania
[06:02] <josh__> lol
[06:02] <josh__> i cant get it to change the resolution to anything but 640x480
[06:02] <josh__> it just crashes after
[06:02] <rrbiz> u using vesa driver?
[06:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> then you should probably check stepmania's forums, because that's an issue with that software
[06:04] <baudthief> Argh someone please help - I've replaced my windowsXP machine with one running Kubuntu. Installed samba, everything is sweet
[06:04] <baudthief> when I share a folder and try and access it on another machine
[06:04] <baudthief> it's visible, but I get "the folder <blah> doesn't exist" when I try and open it
[06:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> if you replaced xp, why samba?
[06:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> and your best bet: nfs
[06:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> but that's just me
[06:06] <Daisuke_Laptop> and my disdain for samba
[06:07] <baudthief> Both my brothers still run XP, need to share out vids/etc on the network
[06:08] <baudthief> plus got an xbox in the lounge runing xbmc
[06:08] <Daisuke_Laptop> tell them "install ubuntu or no vids for you!"  but more realistically, learn all you can about the samba.conf and hope it will work at some point.  i had the same problem and gave up, installed windows services for unix (which i feel is named backwards), and went with nfs shares to the network.
[06:09] <baudthief> shit.
[06:09] <stdin> !ohmy | baudthief
[06:09] <ubotu> baudthief: Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[06:09] <baudthief> I've been working on this all night - screw it i'm reverting to windows
[06:09] <pillowpants> whats the force architecture command?
[06:09] <baudthief> stdin: np
[06:10] <pillowpants> sudo dpkg -i pidgin_2.0.0beta7devel.vicox-1_i386.deb
[06:10] <pillowpants> namely, how do i get that to install on my amd64
[06:10] <pillowpants> with force architecture
[06:11] <stdin> pillowpants: --force-architecture what else :p
[06:11] <cowl> baudthief: maybe this will help, http://wiki.bworks.org/doku.php/samba_file_server
[06:11] <pillowpants> ah thats right
[06:11] <pillowpants> stdin: my memory gets to me
[06:14] <xp_killer> baudthief: u going back to xp home viruse eddition?
[06:14] <josh__> lmao
[06:14] <josh__> there's no viruses for xp 64 bit edition eh
[06:15] <josh__> well, alot less
[06:15] <baudthief> cowl: xp_killer: yup, whatever lets me share folders using SMB without installing 3rd party tools
[06:16] <baudthief> (on each machine)
[06:16] <josh__> ok, umm my laptop cant do opengl right now
[06:16] <kyubiii> hello, can some one help me with a problem with the flash plugin, when I try to see any app that rewuires flash the webbrowser crashes
[06:17] <xp_killer> !flash | kyubiii
[06:17] <ubotu> kyubiii: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:17] <baudthief> cowl: thanks, didn't work though :(
[06:20] <kyubiii> thnx xp_killer ^-^
[06:30] <gannam> bit of a noob question....is it possible to get Kubuntu 7.04 installed on a 1GB USB memory stick?
[06:30] <xp_killer> no
[06:30] <xp_killer> yes
[06:30] <xp_killer> sorry
[06:31] <Tm_T> gannam: not full Kubuntu atleast
[06:31] <gannam> so 1GB is enough for a minimal install though
[06:31] <xp_killer> mmm ask stdin i never install a cd version of kubuntu
[06:31] <Tm_T> xp_killer: welcome back
[06:31] <xp_killer> only dvd
[06:31] <stdin> !install
[06:31] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[06:32] <xp_killer> stdin: he askin if a 1GB usb is enough for kubuntu
[06:33] <stdin> 1gb is enough for a basic install, maybe with X, but not default Kubutnu
[06:33] <xp_killer> gannam: ^^
[06:33] <gannam> tyvm  :)
[06:34] <xp_killer> ??? stdin what they mean by Tm_T takes channel operator privileges from stdin?
[06:35] <Tm_T> xp_killer: yes, I took it :)
[06:35] <Tm_T> did put in my pocket where I keep it in safe
[06:35] <stdin> Tm_T giveth and taketh away
[06:36] <stdin> heh :)
[06:36] <Tm_T> hah
[06:37] <xp_killer> noh
[06:37] <xp_killer> Tm_T: give back stdin his privelage u mur**** >_<
[06:38] <stdin> xp_killer: I still have my ber cow powers ;)
[06:38] <xp_killer>  q_p your what?
[06:39] <Tm_T> stdin: no you dont, your ber cow power hat is gone :(
[06:39] <xp_killer> euh ok i'll just leave you 2 alone while i go back to the real world
[06:40] <stdin> this is real, you're not dreaming it
[06:40] <Doctor_Nick> OH NO
[06:40] <Doctor_Nick> YOU'RE GONNA DIE
[06:40] <stdin> que?
[06:40] <xp_killer> :/
[06:41] <stdin> Doctor_Nick ? what was that?
[06:42] <Yz85Racer> Hey, me again :/ I'm trying to install IntelliJ IDEA. Anyway I get this error when I go to run the file "idea.sh" http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37477/
[06:43] <stdin> Yz85Racer: because you need to install java jdk ?
[06:43] <stdin> !java
[06:43] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[06:43] <Yz85Racer> Really? I thought IntelliJ had it inside itself :o
[06:44] <Yz85Racer> I should of known, my 2nd year on Java :P
[06:44] <pillowpants> does getdeb.com have a repository?
[06:44] <stdin> Yz85Racer: the clue is "exec: 60: /bin/java: not found"
[06:44] <franz> [user management & shell]  i tried chsh -s /bin/bash on one of my users but im getting a "PAM authentication failed" ...any ideas what it is and how to fix it?
[06:45] <Yz85Racer> stdin: To save IntelliJ, where would be a good place to put the "Home Folder"
[06:45] <Yz85Racer> Desktop?
[06:45] <stdin> desktop or in your $HOME
[06:46] <Yz85Racer> Ohk.
[06:46] <Yz85Racer> One last little question, Synaptic, I've heard that it's like Adept.. Yet I can;t find it, is it on Kubuntu?
[06:47] <flaccid> !info synaptic
[06:47] <ubotu> synaptic: Graphical package manager. In component main, is optional. Version 0.57.11.1ubuntu14 (feisty), package size 1279 kB, installed size 5836 kB
[06:47] <flaccid> Yz85Racer, yeah you can install that package via adept or apt-get
[06:48] <gundam_rx78nt1> hello, I am installing a screen saver for kubuntu and it is asking for the kde headers.  I am trying to install the headers but it want to install the kde core. How can I get the headers installed w/o installing the core and affecting my KDE installation?
[06:48] <flaccid> !find kde headers
[06:48] <ubotu> Found: atlantikdesigner, gettext-kde, kde-core, kde-guidance, kde-guidance-powermanager (and 545 others)
[06:48] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: just install kde-devel
[06:48] <franz> [user management & shell]  i tried chsh -s /bin/bash on one of my users but im getting a "PAM authentication failed" ...any ideas what it is and how to fix it?
[06:49] <gundam_rx78nt1> stdin, it will automatically try to install the kde core. How can I do it differently?
[06:49] <franz> !find PAM authentication failed
[06:49] <ubotu> Found: language-pack-kde-pam, language-pack-kde-pam-base, libapache2-mod-auth-pam, libpam-cracklib, libpam-doc (and 65 others)
[06:49] <Yz85Racer> Ohhh ok. Also, one tiny little kind of non related to Kubuntu.. Well it is.  but flaccid, would asking for 23 free shipit cds of Kubuntu be a bit too many? I asked my friends + family members and stuff, and they all said they would like one.. And that came to 23 people.. Am I asking for a bit too much?
[06:49] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: you should have kde-core installed anyway. it's the core of kde
[06:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> No, not the way that kubuntu has KDE installed.
[06:50] <flaccid> don't know Yz85Racer
[06:50] <stdin> Yz85Racer: if it's too much they'll call you ans ask you why
[06:50] <Tm_T> xp_killer: er? cartoons? my tv?
[06:50] <gundam_rx78nt1> KDE is installed with a different version modified for KUBUNTU.
[06:51] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: kde-core is just a meta pacakge anyway
[06:51] <xp_killer> Tm_T: got milk?
[06:51] <flaccid> install from kde website?
[06:51] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: and no, all the package are "kubuntu" packagtes
[06:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> If I install ththe core, it will change all of my kde to include the icons on the tool bars.
[06:51] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: you can't install "standard" kde on kubuntu
[06:51] <flaccid> !find kde dev
[06:51] <gundam_rx78nt1> I already went with through this, this morning with my desktop.
[06:51] <Tm_T> xp_killer: myself yes, you have to get your own
[06:52] <gundam_rx78nt1> I don't want that to happen with my laptop.
[06:52] <ubotu> Found: atlantikdesigner, gettext-kde, kde-core, kde-guidance, kde-guidance-powermanager (and 545 others)
[06:52] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: like I said, kde-core is just a meta package, it installs nothing
[06:53] <Yz85Racer> They'll call me stdin?
[06:53] <gundam_rx78nt1> so tell me why it took 30 minutes for download and installations on my desktop?
[06:53] <flaccid> !info kde-devel
[06:53] <ubotu> kde-devel: the K Desktop Environment development files and modules. In component universe, is extra. Version 5:47 (feisty), package size 7 kB, installed size 40 kB
[06:53] <esper] > hello everyone
[06:53] <flaccid> !info kdebase-dev
[06:53] <ubotu> kdebase-dev: development files for the KDE base module. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu20.2 (feisty), package size 88 kB, installed size 492 kB
[06:53] <stdin> Yz85Racer: this is a list of files installed with kde-core http://stdin.pastebin.us/39545
[06:54] <esper] > would anyone mind telling me how to change sound to output from my headset?
[06:54] <flaccid> try those gundam_rx78nt1
[06:54] <esper] > its a usb headset logitech
[06:54] <esper] > i just did a fresh install of kubuntu from the latest liveCD
[06:55] <xp_killer> Tm_T: lol
[06:56] <esper] > lo?
[06:56] <flaccid> model, esper]  ?
[06:58] <xp_killer> stdin:  u got your own pastbin website? what else it has on it?
[06:59] <stdin> xp_killer: anyone can have a user.pastebin.us
[06:59] <xp_killer> ok
[06:59] <gundam_rx78nt1> Ok, I click on the all of the kde-dev and kde-core and it selected 76 packeges to install. The whole kde system. All I want is just the headers so I can complie this darn thing.
[07:00] <flaccid> its a wildcard dns record
[07:02] <flaccid> try the kde-devel only gundam_rx78nt1 or check their deps
[07:04] <stdin> gundam_rx78nt1: headers always depend on the actual libs
[07:04] <gundam_rx78nt1> how do I do that? I mean just install that package because everytime I select it in adept manager, it selects all of the kde packages (76 packages).
[07:06] <gundam_rx78nt1> I just clicked on it and looked at preview changes and there are all the packages selected.
[07:06] <Doctor_Nick> man, i cant wait until kde4
[07:06] <flaccid> yes because of deps. to be honest gundam_rx78nt1 not sure how to do it if you have a custom kde installed
[07:07] <Excelsio1> Can anyone help me reinstall Grub from livecd?
[07:07] <flaccid> !grubfix
[07:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about grubfix - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:07] <flaccid> !grub
[07:07] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[07:07] <Yz85Racer> flaccid, how do you set JDK_HOME?
[07:07] <gundam_rx78nt1> well, why is kubuntu a custom kde?
[07:07] <Excelsio1> Yeah, um, followed that. Gives me an error
[07:07] <Yz85Racer> Excel
[07:07] <flaccid> export JDK_HOME=blah ?
[07:07] <Excelsio1> Didn't make a floppy yet
[07:07] <Excelsio1> ..Then again, no floppy drive. =/
[07:07] <Yz85Racer> Excelsio1: Have you tried
[07:08] <Yz85Racer> Booting into Recovery (presuming this is windows)
[07:08] <Yz85Racer> then running fixmbr?
[07:08] <Yz85Racer> or something
[07:08] <Yz85Racer> ohhh ok flaccid, thanks.
[07:08] <flaccid> its first link, not last
[07:09] <Excelsio1> No, haven't. How would fixing mbr in Windows help?
[07:09] <Yz85Racer> Didn't you say you were having trouble booting?
[07:09] <Excelsio1> Right, but I mean- why in Windows?
[07:10] <Yz85Racer> Well that fixed it for me
[07:11] <Yz85Racer> Ohk, wtf, I just installed JDK with Adept, now I can't find where it installed too.. :/
[07:11] <baudthief> How do you go about partitioning/formatting a new drive in ubuntu?
[07:11] <flaccid> this doesn't require windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[07:11] <flaccid> !format
[07:11] <ubotu> Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Gnome under Dapper: System -> Administration -> Disks - For Edgy, see !fstab and !DiskMounter
[07:12] <baudthief> thanks
[07:12] <flaccid> np
[07:12] <Yz85Racer> Hey flaccid, I just installed JDK with Adept, where did it install to?
[07:12] <flaccid> what was the package name, Yz85Racer ?
[07:12] <shaffy> does anyone know of an easy way to switch to root when using a graphical interface like kate, for example?
[07:13] <Yz85Racer> sun-java6-jdk
[07:13] <stdin> shaffy: you can't "switch", you have to open the application as root
[07:13] <flaccid> shaffy, you can do kdesu kate /file/to/edit.txt
[07:13] <stdin> shaffy: there is also an "Edit as root" option under Actions in the right click menu in konqueror
[07:14] <esper] > anyone around willing to help out a noob?
[07:14] <flaccid> Yz85Racer: http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=sun-java6-jdk&version=feisty&arch=i386
[07:14] <shaffy> thanks a lot stdin and flaccid.  much appreciated.
[07:14] <flaccid> np
[07:15] <baudthief> lol "warning you can lost data!"
[07:15] <baudthief> (@qtparted)
[07:15] <flaccid> hehe
[07:16] <Yz85Racer> flaccid, I can't find it.
[07:16] <Yz85Racer> It says it didn't exist.
[07:19] <esper] > can anyone direct me on how to switch the mixer in kde to use my usb headset?
[07:19] <stdin> !sound
[07:19] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[07:20] <Yz85Racer> flaccid: I can't find it :/
[07:21] <esper] > doesnt say anything about usb headset
[07:21] <esper] > it works fine with speakers
[07:21] <shaffy> does anyone know how i can save my viewing settings in konqueror?  everytime i reopen konq, all my settings are lost (like view mode, etc.)
[07:21] <esper] > i just need the headset working
[07:23] <gundam_rx78nt1> Can you install packages for older versions of kubuntu onto fiesty?
[07:23] <shaffy> does anyone know how i can save my viewing settings in konqueror?  everytime i reopen konq, all my settings are lost (like view mode, etc.)
[07:27] <stdin> shaffy: Settings > Save View Profile "File Management"
[07:27] <Yz85Racer> stdin: I downloaded java jdk with Adept, now I can't find where it was downloaded too..
[07:28] <stdin> Yz85Racer: just do "sudo update-alternatives --config java" and set that, then it should just pick up the path
[07:29] <Yz85Racer> omg tanks
[07:30] <shaffy> thanks again stdin.
[07:30] <shaffy> :D
[07:36] <Yz85Racer> stdin: When I go to unzip a .rar archive, it say's .rar isn't in my path.... How do I add it too my path?
[07:36] <stdin> Yz85Racer: you need to install unrar to unrar a .rar
[07:36] <Yz85Racer> oh ok
[07:36] <persian> Excuse me. Can anyone tell me why I do not have an administrator mode button in kdm theme manager? Did i forget to install an additional package or something?
[07:37] <Yz85Racer> So that can be gotten with Adept right?
[07:37] <stdin> persian: you need to access it with kcontrol, "kdesu kcontrol"
[07:37] <stdin> Yz85Racer: yeah
[07:37] <persian> stdin: thanks
[07:39] <Yz85Racer> stdin: Do you like get paid for this?
[07:39] <stdin> Yz85Racer: no :p
[07:39] <Yz85Racer> Wow
[07:39] <Yz85Racer> you should
[07:40] <stdin> go tell canonical ;)
[07:40] <jbbarnes> Can anyone help without mounting a FAT32 partition? It mounts as rwxr--r--, so only root can write to it. I've tried modifying fstab. No luck. Same thing happens in Suse 10.2.
[07:40] <jbbarnes> How can I mount it with read/write access for everyong?
[07:41] <stdin> jbbarnes: by adding "umask=0000" or "dmask=000,fmask=111" to the fstab options
[07:41] <jbbarnes> Okay, let me try that...
[07:43] <Yz85Racer> K, stdin: I've installed unrar
[07:43] <Yz85Racer> Now?
[07:43] <stdin> now it should work
[07:43] <Yz85Racer> it dont
[07:43] <stdin> what doesn't ?
[07:43] <stdin> ark ?
[07:44] <jbbarnes> Changing to /dev/sda4       /mnt/common     vfat    dmask=000,fmask=111     0       0
[07:45] <Yz85Racer> yea
[07:45] <Yz85Racer> ark
[07:45] <stdin> Yz85Racer: have you restarted it after you installed unrar?
[07:45] <Yz85Racer> restarted Ark?
[07:46] <stdin> quit it then reopen it
[07:46] <Yz85Racer> did
[07:47] <Yz85Racer> says the same thing
[07:47] <jbbarnes> STDIN: Still mounting the same after mount -a
[07:47] <jbbarnes> -rw-rw-rw- 1 root root   9956690 2004-02-17 04:03 Network Programming with Perl.chm
[07:47] <xp_killer> woo everything back to normal now to try out beryl if it dont work i'm going to sued stdin >_<
[07:47] <jbbarnes> Hold on
[07:47] <stdin> jbbarnes: -rw-rw-rw- ;)
[07:47] <jbbarnes> It did change, just no X
[07:48] <jbbarnes> Let me try again (I jumped the gun because I was expecting rwxrwxrwx
[07:48] <stdin> jbbarnes: files won't have +x, but dirs will
[07:48] <stdin> jbbarnes: you don't want files to have +x normally, there's no need and it's bad security
[07:49] <Yz85Racer> stdin, it still says the same thing :/
[07:49] <tuxd> Hi new to linux.  I'm not sure how to install new programs if they aren't available through apt/adept (I'm running Kubuntu Fiesty)  For example, I downloaded Virtualbox1.5.0 for Linux Hosts for Fiesty (as well as Google Earth). In Windows they would be .exe files you double-click on.  What do I do to install them in Linux?
[07:49] <nb72> Does anybody know of a repository that keeps more up to date Java dev tools?  Eclipse 3.3 and/or Netbeans 6.0 Betas for example.
[07:49] <stdin> Yz85Racer: it should work, you have unrar installed. you could try logging out and back it, to force it to reload it's settings
[07:49] <baudthief> Is it possible to restrict access to an NFS share to just a couple of remote users?
[07:50] <nb72> tuxd: I usually try to find repositories for them.  I know google earth is in a repository.  I might have it.
[07:50] <jbbarnes> STDIN I don't understand the syntax yet, but it worked. Thanks!
[07:51] <tuxd> nb72:  how do I install it? I have an downloaded icon on my desktop"Google Earth bin" that I got from their website
[07:51] <Yz85Racer> damnit
[07:51] <Yz85Racer> stdin: Didn't work
[07:51] <Yz85Racer> :(
[07:52] <stdin> jbbarnes: fmask is the "file mask", and dmask is the "directory mask". masks basically takes away from the permissions. so 111measa permissions of 666
[07:52] <stdin> Yz85Racer: try in konsole, see if you can use "unrar file.rar"
[07:52] <nb72> tuxd: I think this should get you google earth (as well as some others) - deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ feisty free non-free
[07:53] <stdin> Yz85Racer: if that works then I don't know what's wrong with ark
[07:53] <garfield> !hi
[07:53] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:54] <tuxd> nb72: ok, thanks.  My larger question though is, how do I install a program - any program that I can't get from apt/adept?  There are 2 so far that I downloaded from websites, but now that I have the file downloaded, I don't know what to do to make it install
[07:55] <jbbarnes> STDIN, so If I want the permissions to be rwxrwxrwx can I do that? Or maybe that doesn't make sense on a FAT32 partition, huh? I just want to make sure I don't have any restrictions using this partition.
[07:55] <holycow> \join #zsnes
[07:55] <nb72> tuxd: Not sure if I can be much help there.  I've only done it a couple times and I'm not sure if I did it right.  I just used the make files supplied
[07:55] <garfield> stdin:do i realy need 1gb ddr to run linux with beryl?
[07:55] <jbbarnes> Maybe rw-rw-rwx is all I need.
[07:56] <jbbarnes> BTW, STDIN, you rock. That answer was fast and RIGHT! Thanks so much.
[07:56] <garfield> stdin: how do i know how much linux is using of the ddr's?
[07:56] <jbbarnes> I tried this the other night an people had me digging around in udev instead of fstab.
[07:56] <stdin> jbbarnes: all the x will do (for files) is make them executable, ans that's not too good as someone could antecedently run a text file as a script
[07:56] <tuxd> anyone, how do you install files in Linux if you download the file from the web, and don't get it via apt/adept?
[07:57] <flaccid> !install
[07:57] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues - See also !automate
[07:57] <tuxd> nb72: thanksfor the help you were able to give
[07:57] <flaccid> whats the file extension tuxd ?
[07:57] <stdin> garfield: ddr is not a thing, it's a type
[07:57] <stdin> garfield: RAM is the thing
[07:57] <flaccid> !software | tuxd
[07:57] <ubotu> tuxd: A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[07:58] <tuxd> one is tar.gz, the other is google earth.bin file
[07:58] <flaccid> earth.bin you chmod +x earth.bin then run it and tar.gz you usually extract then read the README and INSTALL for instructions
[07:59] <garfield> stdin: k.do it have a command that i can see info on ram cpu etc?
[07:59] <tuxd> flaccid: thanks
[07:59] <stdin> garfield: "top" is a good one
[08:00] <nb72> flaccid: Thanks, I think that will work for me as well getting the newer dev tools.
[08:00] <Yz85Racer> stdin: hey, what was that command you told me to use to find the path to my jdk?
[08:01] <stdin> Yz85Racer: "sudo update-alternatives --config java" ?
[08:01] <Yz85Racer> yea
[08:01] <Yz85Racer> thanks
[08:02] <flaccid> Yz85Racer, see !java
[08:03] <garfield> Tm_T: ^^
[08:04] <Tm_T> garfield: yes?
[08:05] <Yz85Racer> !java
[08:05] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[08:05] <garfield> Tm_T: does it have a command to know how much ram linux is using?and if i install copiz and beryl will it cause a confution?
[08:06] <Yz85Racer> Hey flaccid; I remember there's a command to make an executable file (not .exe) a "shortcut" thing on the desktop, instead of ./Program in terminal everytime
[08:07] <Tm_T> garfield: first, "free", second, no idea, I dont use those, see #ubuntu-effects
[08:08] <jon_> hey guys i have an ati card and when i enter fglrxinfo i get Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0".
[08:08] <jon_> how can i resolve this? can someone help me out?
[08:10] <flaccid> Yz85Racer, you can right click and make application shortcut
[08:11] <garfield> !ask | jon_:
[08:11] <ubotu> jon_:: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:11] <jon_> garfield, i did ask a question
[08:11] <garfield> oh
[08:11] <garfield> Me half a sleep
[08:11] <jon_> :)
[08:13] <jon_> should i set extensions options in xorg.conf to false, disable, or 0?
[08:15] <garfield> jo i play with fglrx not to long it crash my system i got it back up but nothing was working good i had to reinstall everything so be careful whant u do.and just to remind you dont ask stdin for help or everything will go worst to install fglrx for ati :p
[08:15] <garfield> jon_: ^^
[08:16] <garfield> lol
[08:17] <garfield> xp_killer but u will help xp_killer right ?
[08:17] <jon_> comon guys
[08:17] <jon_> ive been at this for 2 days
[08:17] <jon_> hopefully this works
[08:18] <Daisuke-Ido> !ungrateful
[08:18] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ungrateful - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[08:18] <Daisuke-Ido> need a new factoid.
[08:18] <xp_killer> llol
[08:19] <Daisuke-Ido> why are you laughing?
[08:20] <Daisuke-Ido> o
[08:20] <Daisuke-Ido> it's 2 in the morning and you're on irc, are you trying to convince us or yourself?
[08:20] <xp_killer> o
[08:21] <Daisuke-Ido> the o was a typo
[08:22] <Tm_T> !offtopic | xp_killer
[08:22] <ubotu> xp_killer: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:32] <ratsel> salve a tutti
[08:32] <ratsel> posso chiedervi una cosa?
[08:33] <Tm_T> !it | ratsel
[08:33] <ubotu> ratsel: Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[08:41] <Kite_DH> can somebody tell me why this doesnt work out? -> http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/4373
[08:42] <Selanit> Hiya.  Is there any way to configure KDE so that clicking a selected file once will let me rename it?  Pressing F2 or right-click->rename all the time is driving me berserk.
[08:56] <supernerd> how can i compile a program to be in 32 bit with make on a 64 bit linux system?
[08:59] <shaffy> can anyone tell me what (packages) i need to get all my multimedia (wm, divx, mp3, etc) codecs working?
[09:00] <Selanit> shaffy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[09:01] <Zvezdichko> sudo apt-get install libxine-extracodecs did the job
[09:02] <shaffy> thanks guys.  much appreciated.
[09:04] <level1> how can I know what time I last booted my computer?  the uptime doesn't include time that its been suspending
[09:04] <djdarkman_> is there a linux TV Tuner card compatibility page?
[09:06] <notv> man, can someone please help me? im getting a blackscreen on start up and i have no idea how to fix it. i have a radeon x1200 ati card
[09:07] <djdarkman_> notv: only blackscreen?
[09:07] <djdarkman_> doesn`t it write something?
[09:07] <Zvezdichko> do you know how to configure your xorg.conf manually?
[09:07] <feds> the best solution is to reinstall..hehe
[09:07] <notv> when its about to boot the GUI, it goes pitchblack
[09:07] <djdarkman_> feds: wrong , that is true only on windows
[09:08] <djdarkman_> notv: where are you writing from now?
[09:08] <feds> i got problem too in changing resolution..
[09:08] <notv> my old comp.
[09:08] <notv> what can i do?
[09:08] <djdarkman_> notv: you can boot the pc and NOT log in
[09:08] <djdarkman_> instead
[09:08] <Selanit> Well, I found the answer to my question: no.  So now I need to figure out if it's worth the effort to struggle through the C++, make it do what I want, recompile KDE, and submit a patch.  Bah
[09:08] <notv> djdarkman it will only let me boot up in recovery mode with cli
[09:09] <djdarkman_> press CTRL+ALT+F4
[09:09] <djdarkman_> ?
[09:09] <djdarkman_> xorg won`t even start?
[09:09] <djdarkman_> you get no graphical mode just cli?
[09:09] <notv> well, i get the kubuntu splash screen
[09:09] <djdarkman_> in that case boot in the cli
[09:09] <djdarkman_> whoa
[09:09] <notv> then before it goes to login screen, it goes black
[09:09] <djdarkman_> wait a sec
[09:10] <notv> i mean the kubuntu loading screen, i dunno if thats technically the splash screen
[09:10] <djdarkman_> notv: do you get the graphical login screen or it stops before that displays?
[09:11] <notv> djdarkman no, it stops before that
[09:11] <djdarkman_> notv: wait a sec
[09:11] <feds> i've just reinstalled my kubuntu today..because of that resolution changing problems..
[09:11] <notv> maybe i should try starting over with gutsy. im sure id run into all sorts of problems there too though
[09:12] <feds> how can i install anti-virus on my kubuntu pc?
[09:12] <Daisuke-Ido> feds: why do you need to?
[09:12] <feds> daisuke: need what? reinstall or install antivirus?
[09:12] <Zvezdichko>  sudo apt-get install clamav
[09:13] <feds> what is CLAMAV anyway?
[09:14] <feds> i am again in the process of 'sudo apt-get update/upgrade'..sucks..
[09:14] <notv> can anyone help me out?
[09:15] <Daisuke-Ido> why do you need antivirus?
[09:15] <notv> im about to just reinstall vista
[09:15] <notv> damn i wish laptops had better compatibility with linux
[09:15] <Zvezdichko> Well,feds ClamAV is antivirus software
[09:16] <Daisuke-Ido> buy a laptop that's linux compatible
[09:16] <Zvezdichko> wasn't that what you wanted?
[09:16] <notv> i already bought a laptop
[09:16] <feds> zvez: thanks..i got to check it
[09:16] <Daisuke-Ido> you didn't research first?
[09:16] <notv> man i tried to reconfig the xserver, but now i just get a black screen with a blank cursor
[09:18] <djdarkman_> notv: the problem is not with your laptop
[09:18] <djdarkman_> notv: the problem may be with your video card
[09:18] <djdarkman_> notv: what distribution do you use exactly
[09:18] <djdarkman_> ?
[09:18] <Zvezdichko> try another video driver
[09:18] <Daisuke-Ido> drop to vesa
[09:18] <djdarkman_> feds: no point of using AV in linux
[09:18] <Daisuke-Ido> that's a standard that will work with anything.
[09:18] <notv> djdarkman, i know it is definately my ati card giving me trouble, im using ubuntu feisty with kubuntu desktop
[09:19] <Daisuke-Ido> ati...  x1400?
[09:19] <notv> x1200
[09:19] <Daisuke-Ido> close enough
[09:19] <djdarkman_> notv: reconfigure xorg, select vesa
[09:19] <Daisuke-Ido> and all i have to say is... sucks to be you.
[09:19] <notv> whys that?
[09:19] <Daisuke-Ido> wait for gutsy, and wait a week or two for ati's new driver
[09:19] <djdarkman_> and if it works I can tell you how to install a working ati driver notv
[09:19] <notv> do you think gutsy will get that shit down?
[09:19] <feds> djdarkman: is there no virus in linux? im new with this linux thing..
[09:20] <notv> i have to use fglrx
[09:20] <notv> which i dled
[09:20] <Daisuke-Ido> why?
[09:20] <djdarkman_> feds: wait I`ll give you a link explaining this, but you shouldn`t have to worry about viruses
[09:20] <Daisuke-Ido> did you install it from the repos?
[09:20] <notv> yes
[09:20] <djdarkman_> notv: just temporarly use the vesa driver
[09:20] <notv> im giving it a shot
[09:20] <djdarkman_> and after it works we can make your ati work
[09:21] <djdarkman_> I have an ati xpress 1100
[09:21] <Zvezdichko> I use always vesa because it's better than tdfx :)
[09:21] <feds> virus is a business i think
[09:21] <Daisuke-Ido> feds: you're absolutely right
[09:21] <notv> i had it working, but then every restart it would give me a blank screen and id have to reconfig.
[09:21] <notv> then i tried disabling HAL throught kdes restricted drivers manager
[09:21] <notv> after that nothing fixed the blank screen
[09:22] <feds> if there will be no virus, then there would be no Anti-virus (a business, in Windows platform)
[09:22] <talon223> ahhh..i just came in here to ask one simple question while i re-do my ubuntu install away from gnome(a year..lol) ...x-chat or konversation..which is an overall better prog?
[09:22] <djdarkman_> feds: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/10/06/linux_vs_windows_viruses/
[09:22] <Daisuke-Ido> (Head) ->  O    ||  <-(wall)
[09:23] <Daisuke-Ido> (Head) ->      O||  <-(wall)
[09:23] <djdarkman_> feds: a linux enviorment is too hazzerdous for a simple virus
[09:23] <feds> thnks darkman..im reading it
[09:23] <djdarkman_> talon223: the one that suits your needs better than the other
[09:23] <talon223> ...ahh, i just need to chat...is this prog simpler? konversation that is
[09:24] <talon223> i don't need a bunch of fancy font colors..etc.
[09:24] <Daisuke-Ido> short answer, linux is more secure as the user isn't running as root (administrator) by default.  that and linux doesn't have the market share today's worm and spam bot authors crave
[09:24] <talon223> i just wanted to know if there were any bad faults in this prog
[09:24] <notv> djdarkman, back to the black screen with the blank cursor staring at me
[09:24] <bart_> #ubuntu
[09:24] <Zvezdichko> To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it
[09:24] <Daisuke-Ido> konversation is easier, i find
[09:24] <djdarkman_> talon223: if you are using kubuntu, then konversation maybe the better choice
[09:24] <Zvezdichko> I don't understand this statement
[09:24] <talon223> alright :) ..all i needed guys
[09:24] <talon223> thanks alot
[09:25] <notv> djdarkman can i re-enable HAL restricted driver through cli?
[09:25] <talon223> just want a prog that gets the job done without a lot of headache or mess...
[09:25] <talon223> :)
[09:25] <talon223> later.
[09:25] <djdarkman_> notv: have no idea, don`t know what connection does hal has with the video card
[09:26] <feds> no virus in linux because most softwares are free..
[09:26] <djdarkman_> feds: wrong
[09:26] <Daisuke-Ido> djdarkman_: see the above ascii illustration
[09:26] <notv> djdarkman im not sure, but when i disabled it through kde gui is when i ran into this issue
[09:27] <djdarkman_> feds: few virus in linux, namely ignorable amount , because linux is designed to be more secure than Windows
[09:27] <notv> how do i open the restricted drivers through the cli?
[09:27] <djdarkman_> yeah Daisuke-IdoI get it
[09:27] <djdarkman_> notv: you can do that when you have gui
[09:27] <Daisuke-Ido> what in god's name made you disable the *hardware abstraction layer* in the first place?
[09:27] <djdarkman_> now just set the driver to vesa
[09:27] <notv> djdarkman i tried that
[09:28] <notv> i just set it to vesa i still got the black screen on reboot
[09:28] <djdarkman_> Daisuke
[09:28] <djdarkman_> Daisuke-Ido: can you tell him how to re -enable hal?
[09:28] <Daisuke-Ido> i have no clue
[09:28] <djdarkman_> (trough the cli)
[09:28] <feds> hehehe..thats my idea, without reading any info.
[09:28] <feds> djdarkman: thats why linux pc can open windows pc's hidden/admin shares in network..
[09:30] <djdarkman_> I can`t find any tv tuner card compatibility page, am I wrong or there isn`t?
[09:31] <rizo> wazzuupp!!
[09:32] <feds> djdarkman: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Supported_Hardware
[09:35] <bart_> I got a question: How can I hide my tooltips?
[09:35] <bart_> you know: the little yellow box
[09:35] <bart_> Is there a way to disable them?
[09:37] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: in kde in general? which data is being shown there?
[09:37] <bart_> I mean the little yellow box when I focus on something
[09:37] <bart_> I use Ubuntu feisty fawn
[09:38] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: you can change that where the settings are for the panel
[09:38] <bart_> I don't know where, that's the problem
[09:38] <bart_> I know it's easy to disable them
[09:38] <bart_> but I can't find where
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> what is that "fawn" after the name "feisty"
[09:38] <Zvezdichko> what is the difference?
[09:38] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: i usually get there by right mouse clicking on the panel itself, then configure
[09:38] <bart_> oh
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: what do you mean? what does feisty mean and what does fawn mean?
[09:39] <bart_> Zvezdichko: I didn't spelled it correct :)
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: feisty is an adjective, fawn is a noun
[09:39] <Zvezdichko> what does fawn
[09:39] <Zvezdichko> ...
[09:39] <bart_> it's just a name
[09:39] <Zvezdichko> isn't feisty just enough?
[09:39] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: just enough for what?
[09:40] <corte123> hello everyone
[09:40] <Zvezdichko> to call your distro that name...
[09:40] <Zvezdichko> Ubuntu Feisty ...
[09:40] <bart_> -.-'
[09:40] <bart_> who cares
[09:40] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: instead of just being referred to by a number, the released are named as well, now in the tradition of an noun with a modifying adjective preceeding it, both starting with the same letter
[09:40] <bart_> anyway: WaltzingAlong, you know what I mean with "tooltip"?
[09:40] <Zvezdichko> maybe I'm the one who cares... for example I switchet to gutsy for a reason...
[09:41] <Zvezdichko> I don't like upgrades to bigger versions
[09:41] <bart_> like this: http://blois.us/blog/uploaded_images/Tooltip-721025.PNG
[09:41] <Zvezdichko> thanks, WaltzingAlong
[09:41] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: yes, right mouse click on the panel, select configure panel (or just unlock panel then configure panel); in the appearance section of the kde panel configuration window, uncheck "show tooltips"
[09:42] <bart_> Sorry, I'm not english: what do you mean with "panel"?
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: it is kde terminology anyway; i mean the place where the minimized windows go
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: probably across the bottom of your screen
[09:43] <bart_> properties?
[09:43] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: you could also get there through the program kcontrol
[09:44] <bart_> I use "Ubuntu", not Kubuntu
[09:44] <bart_> I think that makes the difference
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> there is no difference
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> we have ubuntu-desktop
[09:44] <Zvezdichko> kubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: there is
[09:45] <Zvezdichko> and xubuntu-desktop
[09:45] <Zvezdichko> er??
[09:45] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: well yeah i am giving some kde specific instructions; i do not use gnome
[09:45] <bart_> feisty fawn : gnome
[09:45] <bart_> so...
[09:45] <bart_> you instructions doesn't work for me
[09:45] <Zvezdichko> well, does it matter which installation media you will use ( xubuntu, kubuntu..er)
[09:46] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: so ask in #ubuntu  good luck. btw which language would you prefer? there are other channels #ubuntu-de for german, for example or #ubuntu-es for spanish
[09:46] <bart_> dutch
[09:46] <bart_> holland
[09:46] <jussi01> !nl
[09:46] <ubotu> Nederlandstalige ondersteuning voor Ubuntu (en vers gezette koffie) is te vinden in #ubuntu-nl
[09:46] <bart_> :D
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[09:47] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: though it may not be as lively; and if i were using gnome i could help
[09:48] <bart_> nobody is active there -.-
[09:48] <WaltzingAlong> alright
[09:49] <bart_> is there a way to search throught all the "settings" ?
[09:50] <notv> how can i enable restricted drivers from the cli?
[09:51] <WaltzingAlong> notv: just install the driver you wish to use; perhaps through sudo aptitude
[09:51] <bart_> :D
[09:51] <bart_> yay
[09:51] <bart_> one person helped me
[09:51] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: found it?
[09:51] <bart_> yes :)
[09:51] <notv> waltzingalong, i wish it were that simple
[09:51] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: basically about release names, easier for people to remember names than numbers
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> notv: what do you wish to install? video? capture? wireless?
[09:52] <Zvezdichko> hehe yesss :)
[09:52] <notv> i just want my gui to work again. it stopped working when i disabled a driver in the restricted drivers
[09:52] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: and with two words with the same letter starting, that is also a technique making the words easier yet to remember
[09:52] <notv> now that i dont have gui i dont know how to backpeddle
[09:53] <notv> i wish i could restore defaults without reloading the entire OS
[09:53] <Zvezdichko> how do you chat then? bitchx?
[09:53] <WaltzingAlong> notv: but you have a console? you could reconfigure X           sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[09:53] <bart_> restart x after done it?
[09:54] <bart_> thanks all
[09:54] <bart_> cya
[09:54] <notv> waltzingalong, tried that too. i tried ati and vesa, both are giving me a blank screen with a cursor.
[09:54] <notv> i can only get a console in recovery mode
[09:55] <Zvezdichko> notv: did you check /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[09:55] <Zvezdichko> check that file, it may have clues for what's going wrong
[09:56] <notv> yes multiple times
[09:56] <WaltzingAlong> notv: which you can do with             less /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[09:56] <notv> hm?
[09:56] <Zvezdichko> ok, did you try to start X manually
[09:56] <Zvezdichko> the old "startx" way?
[09:56] <notv> im unfamiliar with that
[09:57] <Zvezdichko> ok...
[09:57] <WaltzingAlong> notv: how about            Xorg -configure
[09:57] <Zvezdichko> then go to a console and you may go ahead with startx or better with Xorg -configure
[09:57] <Zvezdichko> as WaltzingAlong said
[09:58] <notv> what should i look for in xorg.0.log?
[09:58] <Zvezdichko> for any error
[09:59] <Zvezdichko> it's market that way: (EE)
[09:59] <Zvezdichko> if you find an error, paste it here
[09:59] <notv> its on another system, i will go check it
[10:01] <notv> no (EE) but  fatal server error caught signal 11. server aborting
[10:02] <notv> and also i noticed (WW) Vesa(0): no valid modes left   trying less strict filter
[10:02] <notv> dunno if that means anything
[10:03] <WaltzingAlong> notv: on the machine with X not working (yet), do you have it on your network and did you set it up with openssh-server ?
[10:03] <notv> yes and no
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> notv: alright if you get ssh on there then you can connect to it from the machine with which you are typing to us now; you can get windows to make it easier to post the logs and confs
[10:04] <WaltzingAlong> notv: those are just some options, nothing essential
[10:05] <notv> that sounds like it might take a while
[10:05] <WaltzingAlong> notv: easy as sudo aptitude install openssh-server           on the broken one
[10:06] <ubunturos> !grub
[10:06] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[10:06] <WaltzingAlong> then from the one where you are now, ssh -CX IP
[10:07] <notv> ok
[10:07] <notv> done
[10:08] <notv> i need to know my ip from my laptop?
[10:08] <WaltzingAlong> from the one with the broken x, yeah
[10:09] <notv> whats the command to find my ip again?
[10:09] <jussi01> ifconfig
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> ifconfig
[10:09] <thomax_> anyone knows a way to get windowslive mail working in kmail?
[10:09] <notv> duh i was trying ip instead of if
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> notv: if there are too many results to see it, you can  try          ifconfig | less        or specify one         ifconfig eth0
[10:09] <ubunturos> there's a color option in grub, which is under comment. Is that for a background color?
[10:09] <jussi01> WaltzingAlong: just fyi, the package ssh contains everthing needed for ssh both ways... ;)
[10:09] <WaltzingAlong> InterFace
[10:10] <Lynoure> thomax_: what's windowslive mail?
[10:10] <WaltzingAlong> jussi01: thanks
[10:10] <jussi01> thomax_: I dont think you can
[10:10] <thomax_> Lynoure: what hotmail used to be I think
[10:10] <Lynoure> thomax_: Hotmail was a webmail, so I'm real confused now
[10:11] <thomax_> Lynoure: there used to be a way to get it working in kmail
[10:11] <jussi01> thomax_: I dont beleive they allow pop3 access to it any more
[10:11] <notv> walkzingalong, now what?
[10:11] <notv> im connected
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> notv logged in via ssh? now you can start any app there, say konqueror              just run         konqueror &
[10:11] <WaltzingAlong> thomax_, jussi01         you could use something like mrpostman
[10:12] <thomax_> hmm
[10:12] <thomax_> i'll have a look at it
[10:12] <WaltzingAlong> thomax_: mrpostman.sf.net
[10:12] <notv> okay, i have a browser opened
[10:13] <thomax_> WaltzingAlong: you need pop access again :/
[10:13] <thomax_> well I'll hust have to live with it
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> notv: ok so well you could paste the X log and X conf file to pastebin        /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:13] <WaltzingAlong> thomax_: what do you mean?
[10:13] <notv> how do i do pastebin?
[10:14] <thomax_> WaltzingAlong:  with mrpostman i need pop information of the server and I don't have that information
[10:14] <jussi01> !paste
[10:14] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:14] <ScorpKing> !paste
[10:14] <ScorpKing> lol
[10:14] <jussi01> lol
[10:14] <Lynoure> thomax_: google hints heavily at windowslive mail offering pop... but I don't want to register to find out
[10:15] <thomax_> hmm
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> notv: open those files (in kate for example); copy their texts, paste them in http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/       submit it. it gives you an url of the post, send that url in the channel so we can see what you posted
[10:15] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37500/
[10:15] <notv> did that work?
[10:15] <thomax_> Lynoure: I didn't want to find out either, untill school decided let's get email for all our students at windowslive mail
[10:15] <WaltzingAlong> thomax_: do you have an account with hotmail/windows live? then mrpostman IS a pop server which grabs messages from the web interface of hotmail so kmail checks hotmail through mrpostman
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> notv: yes
[10:16] <thomax_> WaltzingAlong: ah okat
[10:16] <thomax_> okay
[10:16] <WaltzingAlong> notv: and the log?
[10:16] <Lynoure> thomax_: They somehow force you to use it? If it has forwarding feature, forward the mail somewhere that is more useful for you?
[10:16] <notv> here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37501/
[10:17] <thomax_> Lynoure: I was planning to do that, but then again if you don't log in for 180 days your acc is deleted :D
[10:17] <thomax_> again it's MS and it's EXTREMELY GAY
[10:17] <Lynoure> thomax_: Does your school somehow punish you for that? You can probably just boycott their choice, if you wish
[10:18] <thomax_> yeah true
[10:18] <WaltzingAlong> notv: which video card?   lspci?
[10:18] <notv> radeon ati x1200
[10:18] <thomax_> Lynoure: but they use it as prime communication, so if I start missing messages, I will get fucked
[10:18] <notv> waltzingalong radeon x1200
[10:19] <thomax_> Lynoure: anyway, gonna start out with forwarding
[10:19] <WaltzingAlong> notv: :D actually from here you could launch the restricted manager        kdesu restricted-manager &
[10:19] <notv> from my desktop pc?
[10:19] <notv> !
[10:19] <notv> lets hope this helps
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> notv: from ssh to the one not working
[10:20] <Lynoure> thomax_: Try informing the school office that you can be reached at some other email address. You can even explain that that is because WindowsLive Mail does not support any email client on Mac or Linux. (Yes, I'm a bit fan for campaigning for freedom of choice)
[10:20] <WaltzingAlong> notv: you could also comment out the hsync and vrefresh lines in the xorg.conf file
[10:20] <notv> waltzingalong do i want to comment them out completely or change their values?
[10:20] <thomax_> Lynoure: yes you are absolutely right, as a mather a fact I might do that
[10:21] <WaltzingAlong> notv do you know the values supported by your display?
[10:21] <notv> waltzingalong do i need to have atheros hardware access layer (HAL) enabled?
[10:21] <notv> no idea
[10:21] <notv> i thought i saw it on a guide but i thikn it was a diff laptop
[10:21] <WaltzingAlong> notv: ok could just comment them out  (add # to the beginning of the line)
[10:21] <notv> right
[10:21] <notv> do you think that will fix it?
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> notv:  not trying to scare you but wrong values can break (typically older) displays
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> try it
[10:22] <WaltzingAlong> notv: comment them out, restart x   sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[10:23] <WaltzingAlong> notv: which as you may have noticed you can do from your ssh access
[10:23] <Lynoure> thomax_: good luck
[10:23] <thomax_> Lynoure: thanx
[10:23] <notv> :D
[10:25] <notv> :\
[10:25] <notv> Stopping K Display Manager: kdm not running (/var/run/kdm.pid not found).
[10:26] <WaltzingAlong> notv: which is true, it was not running    (restart does stop then start)
[10:26] <notv> how many reboots will fry my laptop?
[10:26] <notv> i think im nearing 100 in 3 days
[10:27] <WaltzingAlong> well as you may have guessed 1) this is not ms windows and 2) rebooting without addressing the causes will not alleviate the symptoms
[10:27] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[10:27] <WaltzingAlong> notv: 99 is usually the max so the machine is on borrowed time now
[10:28] <notv> heh, i think ive addressed the problem from every angle i can stumble accross
[10:28] <thomax_> wtf
[10:28] <thomax_> Lynoure: lol I try the forward function: You're only able to forward mail to a custom domain or an e-mail address that ends in hotmail.com, msn.com, or live.com. Please try again.
[10:28] <notv> waltzingalong upon reboot i still have a black screen with a cursor
[10:29] <thomax_> gmail doesn't work lol
[10:29] <WaltzingAlong> notv: post the xorg.conf and log again
[10:30] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37503/
[10:30] <Zvezdichko> notv sorry I was away
[10:30] <Zvezdichko> what happened?
[10:30] <Lynoure> thomax_: if custom domain is configurable somewhere, you might be able to put gmail there.
[10:30] <thomax_> yeah maibe
[10:30] <notv> i think i need to use ati not vesa
[10:30] <thomax_> it doesnt look that way
[10:30] <notv> but i dont know anything
[10:30] <Zvezdichko> is vesa working?
[10:30] <notv> nope
[10:30] <WaltzingAlong> notv: vesa is not worknig
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: x is crashing
[10:31] <notv> i dont think vesa works with my card...
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: ah but this most recent time x did not crash
[10:31] <Zvezdichko> vesa should work whith any card
[10:31] <WaltzingAlong> notv: ok so change 'vesa' to 'ati'
[10:31] <Zvezdichko> it's a framebuffer server which uses ram
[10:32] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37504/
[10:33] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: notv  the display returns just one resolution but vesa cannot find that match
[10:33] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: what about setting horiz sync and vert refresh values?
[10:33] <intelikey> vesa will not work with some monitors.   it's not the card it's the monitor
[10:34] <WaltzingAlong> notv: had you enabled the fglrx driver with the restricted manager?
[10:34] <notv> what should it be called?
[10:35] <uga> heh, this is very strange. I can insmod nvidia.ko just fine, but modprobe won't find it. it's under kernel/drivers/video/nvidia.ko, and depmod lists it... any idea?
[10:36] <notv> waltzingalong, i have two options- ati accelerated graphics driver, and atheros hardware access layer (HAL)
[10:36] <kirk> !cdrom
[10:36] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cdrom - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:36] <WaltzingAlong> notv: did you check ati accel graphics?
[10:36] <notv> i disabled HAL and enabled the first one, and thats what got me into this mess
[10:37] <notv> but before i did that, it said that HAL was enabled but not in use, and the ati driver was in use but not enabled...does that make any sense?
[10:37] <notv> seems backwards to me
[10:37] <intelikey> is it not possable to copy a symlink over scp ?   i don't see a way to 'noderefferance' them  ???
[10:37] <WaltzingAlong> notv: :D ok so they are for different items in your system. we are dealing with the ati one now
[10:38] <WaltzingAlong> notv: so enable the ati graphics driver in the restricted manager
[10:38] <notv> oh crap...the atheros is my wireless card thats right
[10:38] <notv> i keep confusing them because NEITHER one wants to work
[10:39] <notv> and then dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg to switch from vesa to ati?
[10:39] <Zvezdichko> what about "reinstall and everything will go on well"
[10:39] <notv> if i try that, im dl the gutsy iso
[10:40] <intelikey> Zvezdichko maybe you haven't heard.    Q. "what do linux users do?"   A. "they install software!"      :)
[10:40] <WaltzingAlong> notv: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37506/
[10:40] <WaltzingAlong> notv: well if enabling ati in restricted manager, then you want to pick one called "fglrx"
[10:41] <Zvezdichko> intelikey: the problem is not "installing software" the problem is "uninstalling software"
[10:41] <notv> restricted man only gives me one option
[10:41] <Zvezdichko> for example you just cant apt-get remove ubuntu-desktop
[10:41] <Zvezdichko> if you don't need gnome
[10:41] <WaltzingAlong> notv: only for the ati graphics driver?
[10:41] <notv> yes
[10:42] <notv> the other thing that popped up was my wireless card
[10:42] <WaltzingAlong> notv: right and ati's restricted driver is named "fglrx"
[10:42] <intelikey> Zvezdichko sure you can.   but you need to tell dpkg to get the things that blah depended on...   aptitude might make it easier for you.    idk
[10:43] <Zvezdichko> hmmm .. yes...
[10:43] <Zvezdichko> btw why mplayer  subtitles don't work in Gutsy? I have set bulgarian encoding
[10:44] <Zvezdichko> but I get yeroglyphs
[10:44] <ke-> Haha
[10:44] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: not the place for gutsy support (not yet anyway)
[10:44] <Zvezdichko> with SMPlayer I don't have this problem :) but sometimes I want pure mplayer
[10:44] <intelikey> Zvezdichko don't know,  hope they fix that by the time gutsy releases...   you can ask in #ubuntu+1
[10:45] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: there is no gutsy support yet?
[10:45] <intelikey> plus one  ^
[10:45] <jabba> hello
[10:45] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: #kubuntu is for current stable, #ubuntu+1 is for next
[10:45] <hangthedj> is there anyway to use passwd without it prompting for unix password twice, say for a script?
[10:45] <jabba> if i have a line like foo1="bleb
[10:45] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: so by the end of october #kubuntu ask about gutsy here too
[10:45] <jabba> 'erm
[10:45] <jabba> no
[10:46] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: the hierrarchy here is very strange sometimes
[10:46] <Zvezdichko> channel for this, channel for that :)
[10:46] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: well what would you prefer?
[10:46] <jabba> like foo1="bleb" foo2="blub" foo3="blab"
[10:46] <jabba> how do i get the value for foo2 with bash?
[10:46] <WaltzingAlong> $foo2 ?
[10:47] <intelikey> in the first place you need to break that line,   secondly use  $var
[10:47] <jabba> it's just a line of strings
[10:47] <jabba> grepped before
[10:47] <intelikey> $foo#
[10:47] <kirk> anyone awake, not busy, with extensive kubutnu knowledge?
[10:47] <notv> okay, im rebooting again
[10:47] <uga> uhm... I found out what was going on, but... wtf is /etc/modprobe.d/lrm-video? it seems to try installing nvidia each time you modprobe nvidia?
[10:48] <uga> no wonder it fails, if it doesn't know it's already installed there, by nvidia tools
[10:49] <mark__> good morning, my problem is "linux-wide" and it is that i have "no signal" for my lcd no matter what i try, when i use the "nvidia" driver instead of "nv" or "vesa" in xorg.conf. i have a 8600GT
[10:49] <WaltzingAlong> kirk: no we are all noobs who just installed this morning
[10:49] <kirk> lol, sure
[10:49] <jabba> hmm
[10:49] <kirk> i am however
[10:49] <jabba> is there an xml-parser for bash?
[10:49] <mark__> now, i think there is an error message which is about the first message i receive when linux starts booting which says something like: failed to allocate mem resource at blabla
[10:49] <kirk> the night before last to be exact
[10:49] <uga> mark__: that's the resolution setting possibly. Your monitor cant' work at the settings in xorg.conf
[10:50] <notv> if i didnt pay 700 bucks for this laptop, i would surely chuck it across my room
[10:50] <ksivaji> Is there any way to find nearest DNS ?
[10:50] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: have you installed nvidia drivers?
[10:50] <mark__> not this time
[10:50] <mark__> no it can't be the resolution setting, i already tried that
[10:50] <kirk> any advice on how to get my cdrom to work?
[10:50] <uga> mark__: have you checked the output when running X from command line?
[10:51] <WaltzingAlong> kirk: tell us about some symptoms
[10:51] <mark__> the output with "nv" or "nvidia" driver?
[10:51] <uga> kirk: goodmorning btw. I fell asleep before I knew if you fixed the drive
[10:51] <nazgjunk> #ubuntu's being unhelpful, so i though i'd ask here - i've read that it's pretty much impossible atm to get linux to work at a 1680x1050 res with my ati card. Is this true, and is there a way to at least have my display not look stretched?
[10:52] <uga> kirk: oh, what now, the cd/dvd???
[10:52] <kirk> yes
[10:52] <notv> waltzingalong no dice
[10:52] <notv> anymore ideas or is it time to install vista?
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> notv: install vista
[10:52] <ksivaji> !windows
[10:52] <uga> kirk: it's the same as a drive. It should be /dev/cdrom, /dev/cdrw...
[10:52] <ubotu> For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[10:52] <Zvezdichko> oh, no, vista is da virus :)
[10:52] <notv> its a sad day
[10:52] <WaltzingAlong> notv: paste the log and conf again
[10:53] <Zvezdichko> notv: the bad thing is that you're too far away :) get the desktop in Bulgaria
[10:53] <Zvezdichko> and we will see it
[10:53] <mark__> hello? has anybody an idea what that "failed to allocate memory resource..." stuff might mean?
[10:53] <Zvezdichko> *laptop*
[10:53] <uga> kirk: or /dev/dvd
[10:53] <kirk> its not showing up under disks and filesystems
[10:54] <uga> uhm...where's that (disks and filesystems)
[10:54] <kirk> system settings
[10:54] <kirk> advanced tab
[10:55] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37508/
[10:55] <uga> heh, do you know the application's name? I have nothing named system settings, here =)
[10:55] <uga> that's not kcontrol, for sure
[10:55] <uga> kirk: where do you run it from. kmenu->system?
[10:55] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37509/
[10:55] <kirk> nope it just says system settings
[10:55] <uga> oh, there it is, a sec =)
[10:56] <ScorpKing> notv: have you tried in #ubuntu? maybe someone there can help.
[10:56] <uga> these guis are soooo complex :P
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> notv: in the conf comment out the usefbdev line
[10:56] <notv> scorpking yea ive been trying both rooms for 2 or 3 days now
[10:56] <kirk> oh wait, i told u wrong, it is showing up there
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> notv:  then restart x   (no need to restart the computer, just sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart)
[10:56] <ksivaji> Is there any way to find nearest DNS ?
[10:56] <WaltzingAlong> notv: well there is a different error now
[10:57] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: is this /etc/init.d/ the same as in Slackware ?
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> ksivaji: usually your isp provides some
[10:57] <ScorpKing> notv: yes, i've seen you around. :P
[10:57] <Zvezdichko> service: start, stop, restart
[10:57] <notv> waltzingalong comment out or set to false?
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: i do not know about slackware but yeah usually programs are installed with scripts there
[10:57] <uga> kirk: right, they should show up there
[10:57] <WaltzingAlong> notv: comment out
[10:57] <kirk> is it
[10:58] <uga> kirk: does your /etc/fstab list them?
[10:58] <uga> something like /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom1   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[10:58] <bart_> hello all
[10:58] <bart_> I'm searching for a good video/movie editor
[10:58] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: I used slackware several years ago. Everything you install is from surce. Ubuntu is different - it's a binary based distro
[10:58] <bart_> anyone knows a good one?
[10:58] <kirk> yes - /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[10:59] <Zvezdichko> and it's a difficult distro
[10:59] <Zvezdichko> bart_: kdenlive
[10:59] <Zvezdichko> or kino
[10:59] <notv> waltzingalong, same black screen
[10:59] <WaltzingAlong> bart_: avidemux      vlc mplayer mencoder
[10:59] <bart_> ok
[11:00] <bart_> what about: cinelerra ??
[11:00] <tuco_> Anyom
[11:00] <Zvezdichko> never tried it
[11:00] <tuco_> Hello all
[11:00] <kirk> so i would do sudo mount /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0  ?
[11:00] <Zvezdichko> notv: could you pastebin your conf again?
[11:00] <uga> kirk: I don't know how that system gui works, but I'm guessingi you may have to add the drive yourself
[11:01] <Zvezdichko> it'd like to chesk something
[11:01] <tuco_> anyone knows how to install a theme on kdm "log in" splash one.
[11:01] <WaltzingAlong> notv: i see "ati" is the device used in the xorg.conf not "fglrx"; ok how about   using Xorg -configure
[11:01] <uga> kirk: enter admin mode in the bottom, new...
[11:01] <kirk> im there
[11:01] <uga> kirk: it sounds like an interface for fstab anyway. Maybe sometbody else can confirm
[11:01] <notv> fatal server error: cannot move old log file
[11:01] <kirk> i believe Enable does Mount
[11:02] <WaltzingAlong> notv: sudo Xorg -configure
[11:02] <notv> oh right
[11:03] <uga> kirk: no, enable is automounting on startup
[11:03] <kirk> clicking enable didnt work
[11:04] <ScorpKing> kirk: /dev/hdc        /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto     0       0
[11:04] <uga> kirk: no, enable is automounting on startup
[11:04] <uga> =)
[11:04] <WaltzingAlong> notv: was it ever working? also we wanted both "enabled ati graphics" in restricted manager and "fglrx" as the driver in the xorg.conf file;
[11:04] <uga> kirk: right click, modify...
[11:04] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37510/
[11:04] <uga> kirk: it's not meant to mount umount
[11:04] <ScorpKing> kirk: add that line to your /etc/fstab
[11:04] <uga> ScorpKing: [10:58]  <kirk> yes - /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 auto nouser,atime,noauto,rw,dev,exec,suid 0 0
[11:04] <uga> he's got one
[11:05] <Zvezdichko> notv and WaltzingAlong: is it good to set some HorizSync and VertRefresh values on this log?
[11:05] <uga> strange thing is it's not shown on the gui utility
[11:05] <ScorpKing> lol. i missed that. :P
[11:05] <kirk> it is showing up
[11:05] <Zvezdichko> it was one of the reasons it got blank screen for me
[11:05] <kirk> burner hp dvd writer
[11:05] <WaltzingAlong> Zvezdichko: yes it might be, do you know them?
[11:05] <notv> waltzingalong, i would get it to work, but then if i shut down and restart it would mess up again, until i depmod -a and aticonfig  --initial and what not
[11:05] <notv> now that doesnt even work
[11:05] <uga> kirk: [10:53]  <kirk> its not showing up under disks and filesystems
[11:05] <uga> you liar ;P
[11:06] <kirk> lol..
[11:06] <Zvezdichko> WaltzingAlong: I know the values for my monitor.
[11:06] <Zvezdichko> but we may experiment with something like 50-100
[11:06] <Zvezdichko> for both values
[11:06] <ScorpKing> uga: i'm not sure if the rw option will work for cd-roms
[11:06] <Zvezdichko> there's not danger to damage the monitor
[11:06] <kirk> ok modify is open..
[11:06] <WaltzingAlong> notv: enable ati in restricted manager;  run sudo depmod -ae; run suto aitconfig --initial;  run startkde or sudo /etc/init.d/kdm restart
[11:06] <notv> xorg -configure is giving me caught signal 11.
[11:07] <uga> ScorpKing: uhm. true. mine doesn't show it
[11:08] <ScorpKing> :)
[11:08] <ScorpKing> uga: the one i gave is the ubuntu standard one.
[11:09] <kirk> im kinda stuck on what to do now
[11:09] <notv> found fglrx primary device section, nothing to do, term
[11:09] <mark__> has anybody got an idea how to get the 8600 GT to work with the off. nvidia driver?
[11:11] <ScorpKing> kirk: can you pastebin your /etc/fstab?
[11:11] <uga> kirk: what's the problem. your original problem was it doesn't show up on that tool. Now that it shows... what's it =)
[11:11] <uga> kirk: you insert the dvd/cd, go into konqueror. Type media:/   does it show up?
[11:13] <notv> waltzingalong
[11:13] <kirk> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37511/
[11:13] <notv> i got gui back!
[11:13] <WaltzingAlong> notv:
[11:13] <WaltzingAlong> notv: feel like posting the files now too?
[11:13] <alesan> hi how do I reconfigure the X server? I changed from ATI to nvidia
[11:13] <notv> sure
[11:13] <alesan> and now nothing is working
[11:13] <WaltzingAlong> alesan: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:13] <alesan> dpkg-reconf somtheing right?
[11:14] <mark__> what means "failed to allocate memory resource for device xxxxxxxx"?
[11:15] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37512/
[11:15] <notv> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37513/
[11:16] <uga> mark__: is that when loading some kernel module?
[11:16] <uga> I read similar errors from ati driver things
[11:17] <alesan> where is it written the network configuration? I want to be able to modify by the command line
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: when booting? when connecting a usb device? https://bugs.launchpad.net/linux/+bug/54294 ?
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> alesan: /etc/network/interfaces
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> alesan: /etc/network/interfaces      /etc/resolv.conf too many
[11:17] <WaltzingAlong> maybe*
[11:17] <ScorpKing> kirk: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37514/
[11:18] <mark__> when booting
[11:18] <kirk> mucho gracias
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> kirk: prego
[11:18] <mark__> and i think the device is the graphics card
[11:18] <WaltzingAlong> notv: great and using the fglrx (ati binary) restricted driver no less
[11:19] <uga> kirk: WaltzingAlong: uhm... not sure what's worse. The first misspelt spanish, or the response that was mistakenly done in italian, instead ;)
[11:19] <pillowpants> whats the keyboard hot keys for katapult?
[11:19] <pillowpants> anyone know off hand?
[11:19] <WaltzingAlong> i understood his meant to be spanish and i wished to reply with the italian
[11:19] <WaltzingAlong> so uga if you had to pick, which was worse?
[11:19] <uga> hehe okay then ;)
[11:19] <kirk> lol
[11:20] <mark__> umm WaltzingAlong
[11:20] <kirk> ScorpKing: thats done
[11:20] <mark__> if that's a bug link
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> pillowpants: alt+space            then ctrl+c to configure
[11:20] <mark__> should i read it, or won't they have a solution anyways?
[11:20] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: it may not be the same thing
[11:20] <ScorpKing> kirk: sudo ls /dev/ | grep hdc
[11:20] <pillowpants> WaltzingAlong: thanks
[11:21] <mark__> well it seems to be
[11:21] <ScorpKing> kirk: does hdc show up?
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> uga: you may also have noticed that i was not helping kirk but i jumped in to take some of the thanks passed around ;)
[11:21] <mark__> but they don't seem to relate it to issues with their graphics cards
[11:21] <uga> WaltzingAlong: LOL. No, actually I didn't =)
[11:21] <WaltzingAlong> :D
[11:23] <mark__> is there any initiative that tries to banish abbreviations such as "lol" "rofl" "wtf" or "rtfm" from the universe?
[11:23] <WaltzingAlong> iks
[11:24] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: dyswit? iks!
[11:24] <notv> waltzingalong thanks much!
[11:24] <WaltzingAlong> notv: glad it is working
[11:24] <notv> i think my atheros card is magically working too, this is pretty sweet
[11:24] <uga> mark__: try #windows. I believe those are banned there
[11:24] <uga> oh lol, there's actually people there!
[11:25] <kirk> yes it is! thank you so much
[11:25] <kirk> i would be drowning in linux if it wasn't for you guys
[11:26] <ScorpKing> kirk: so it's all working now?
[11:26] <mark__> it seems that this mem allocation error occurs rather often with laptops...
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> kirk: eventually you would have figured out you needed only stand since the water was not above your knees anyway
[11:26] <kirk> let me test with a cd
[11:26] <mark__> you think i might try a new mobo bios?
[11:26] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: could be with the bios, could be with media readers,
[11:27] <mark__> but i know the address it shows is my graphics cards address
[11:27] <mark__> media reader would be a card reader?
[11:27] <m477> how check how many i have free space on disk ?
[11:27] <mark__> what's a media reader?
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> mark__: yeah. well
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> m477: df -
[11:27] <WaltzingAlong> m477: df -h
[11:27] <m477> thx
[11:28] <WaltzingAlong> later!
[11:28] <mark__> well
[11:28] <mark__> do you think the nv driver would have a workaround for this mem allocation stuff but not the "nvidia" driver?
[11:32] <alesan> how can I install the nvidia dirvers from the command line?
[11:32] <alesan> the nv one is giving me many problems
[11:35] <kirk> quick question, theres a directory i made on my desktop, now it wont let me delete it
[11:36] <mark__> you think i should try that:
[11:36] <mark__> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=460765
[11:36] <mark__> ?
[11:37] <ScorpKing> kirk: sudo rmdir /home/kirk/Desktop/dir
[11:39] <notv> hmm maybe its not working...i have ndiswrapper and the wireless driver installed for my ar5007eg
[11:39] <notv> it even pulls up the different wireless networks available, but it wont connect for some reason
[11:40] <notv> do i have to tinker with some other settings?
[11:52] <lnx_> someone know how to view priview of movies in konqueror ( like you see mini pictures of or the first lines of text files . . . ) ?
[11:53] <emilsedgh> lnx_: !info kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins | lnx_
[11:54] <emilsedgh> !info kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins | lnx_
[11:54] <ubotu> lnx_: kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins: au/avi/m3u/mp3/ogg/wav plugins for kfile. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu4 (feisty), package size 128 kB, installed size 496 kB
[11:54] <lnx_> emilsedgh , i talk about movies not audio
[11:55] <ScorpKing> kirk: uhm? so the cd-rom is working?
[11:55] <emilsedgh> lnx_: it worked for me :)
[11:56] <lnx_> emilsedgh , you can see preview of wmv , avi , mpg files ?
[11:58] <lnx_> i already have it and still i cant view preview , someone have idea ?
[12:00] <flake> should I go with gdesklets or screenlets, or is there another..
[12:01] <flake> screenlets don't have transparency without running compiz or similar
[12:04] <aantipop> how do i get icons into ccsm ?
[12:07] <jussi01> !compiz
[12:07] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:07] <ubunturos> anyone knows of an alternative to raspppoe client in windows
[12:07] <ubunturos> !raspppoe
[12:07] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about raspppoe - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:07] <jussi01> !info raspppoe
[12:07] <ubotu> Package raspppoe does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:08] <ubunturos> !info rs-pppoe
[12:08] <jussi01> ubunturos: isnt kppp what you are after?
[12:08] <ubotu> Package rs-pppoe does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[12:08] <jussi01> !info kppp
[12:08] <ubotu> kppp: modem dialer and ppp frontend for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 675 kB, installed size 3696 kB
[12:08] <ubunturos> jussi01: no, alternative to raspppoe
[12:08] <ubunturos> jussi01: isn't kppp just for dial-up connections?
[12:09] <ubunturos> jussi01: http://www.raspppoe.com/ - for info
[12:10] <jussi01> !pppoe
[12:10] <ubotu> Setting up an ADSL/PPPoE connection? Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ADSLPPPoE
[12:11] <jussi01> ubunturos: does that help...
[12:11] <ubunturos> jussi01: may be it will.
[12:11] <ubunturos> jussi01: I did see the document earlier. I hope, pppoeconf runs at my friend's place
[12:12] <jussi01> ubunturos: good luck!
[12:13] <Argazm> hi guys
[12:13] <ubunturos> jussi01: :) - thanks.
[12:13] <Argazm> What makes Kubuntu better than the normal Ubuntu ???
[12:13] <ubunturos> Argazm: KDE and out of box
[12:13] <jussi01> !kde
[12:13] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[12:14] <jussi01> Argazm: neither kde or gnome is better, its a matter of choice
[12:14] <Argazm> I've heard that kde uses a lot more memory
[12:14] <aantipop> not a lot
[12:14] <jussi01> Argazm: a little, but not much
[12:14] <aantipop> wont hurt your gigabyte or whatever ram modules
[12:14] <jussi01> Argazm: go google kde vs gnome, there are more than enough resources...
[12:15] <Argazm> I must admit tho, K3b is a damn good burning suite... beats gnomebaker hands down
[12:15] <Argazm> jussi01: I've been reading google results for a while now, I'd rather hear it 1st hand...
[12:16] <jussi01> Argazm: this is the support channel for kubuntu, we can help you with solving problems, please go to #kubuntu-offtopic for such discussions
[12:16] <Argazm> oh, ok... thx
[12:21] <danya> hello .. I have a problem when i want 2 save a session, with all the nice  accesories, it boots again like i didnt save nothing!!
[12:34] <enjoi1216> hey room whats up ?
[12:34] <Zvezdichko> nothing
[12:35] <enjoi1216> you know i wonder if wine can run myspace messenger
[12:36] <enjoi1216> but see heres the thing that sucks about wine though
[12:36] <enjoi1216> it's like you have to have windows XP or win vista installed on your system in order to get an emulator to work
[12:37] <yybrazo> ciao
[12:37] <feimao> Sysinfo for 'ubuntu': Linux 2.6.20-16-generic running KDE 3.5.6, CPU: AMDAthlonXP2500+ at 1831 MHz (3665 bogomips), , RAM: 497/503MB, 133 proc's, 4.38min up
[12:38] <enjoi1216> because i would like to be able to get Win apps to work on Kubuntu with just having Kubuntu installed alone bare bones without even having to run Windows on your hard drive
[12:38] <enjoi1216> anyone in this room have an opinion
[12:39] <enjoi1216> on what i just typed
[12:39] <enjoi1216> anyone at all
[12:39] <gnomefreak> enjoi1216: window apps need something else to run on linux like crossover-office or wine
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> or cedega
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> for games
[12:40] <enjoi1216> well tell me this gnome
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> Actually, Linux is wonderful and there are a lot of good programs
[12:40] <Zvezdichko> enjoi1216: what do you want to know about gnome
[12:41] <Zvezdichko> gnomefreak: are you a fan of gnome?
[12:42] <enjoi1216> like is it mandatory when you are running an emulator on linux like is it mandatory to have Windows installed on your hard drive also is what i'm trying to find out
[12:42] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: you can say that
[12:42] <Zvezdichko> yes, but right now KDE is better
[12:42] <gnomefreak> enjoi1216: you dont need to install windows if your app runs on one of the 3 listed
[12:42] <Zvezdichko> better integration, better software
[12:42] <enjoi1216> i know that gnome but thats not answering my question
[12:42] <Zvezdichko> as for Gnome I have only a few apps - Rhythmbox, Epiphany...
[12:43] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: doesnt matter what is better, as it is an opinion and offtopic for this channel
[12:43] <enjoi1216> like if you are running Linux alone
[12:43] <enjoi1216> ok
[12:43] <enjoi1216> and lets say that you want to run a Windows software application on Linux
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> enjoi1216: you may see it is you type sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[12:43] <Zvezdichko> then you install wine
[12:44] <uga> enjoi1216: first try wine, if it fails, try something like crossover, or go vmware-like things
[12:44] <enjoi1216> then my question is in order to do so do you have to have Windows installed on your PC in order to run a Windows application on Linux is my question
[12:44] <gnomefreak> enjoi1216: and i said no
[12:44] <enjoi1216> ok
[12:44] <gnomefreak> please re read what i said
[12:44] <Zvezdichko> enjoi1216: no. you may build a fake windows drive
[12:44] <enjoi1216> no i understand you
[12:45] <Zvezdichko> it's a fake c:
[12:45] <enjoi1216> all i wa trying to do is get straight to the point
[12:45] <Zvezdichko> but it's not the same c: as /dev/sda1 for example
[12:45] <enjoi1216> well see because the thing is is that i am wanting to install myspace messenger on Kubuntu but i don't know if it will work or not
[12:46] <uga> enjoi1216: well, run it under wine and see the result ;)
[12:46] <enjoi1216> well but do you know if it will work
[12:46] <uga> if I did, I'd have answered differently ;)
[12:46] <enjoi1216> uga send me the link so i can download wine
[12:47] <gnomefreak> !wine
[12:47] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[12:47] <gnomefreak> myspce messenger may be too new to run on wine
[12:47] <gnomefreak> garfield: should be in profile
[12:47] <uga> enjoi1216: you just need to "apt-get install wine"
[12:47] <uga> well, uhm... it's on the standard repos or had I added it?
[12:48] <gnomefreak> uga: multiverse i think
[12:48] <gnomefreak> !info wine feisty
[12:48] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.33-0ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 9576 kB, installed size 44452 kB
[12:48] <gnomefreak> universe
[12:48] <uga> ahk
[12:49] <enjoi1216> well i'm on the wine webpage looking now and i don't see anywhere where i can download wine from and what version that i need to install
[12:50] <gnomefreak> enjoi1216: enable universe repo and install it with apt
[12:51] <enjoi1216> i have the adept manager on my KDE start menu programs
[12:52] <enjoi1216> i don't have apt on my pc
[12:53] <kraut> moin
[12:53] <enjoi1216> so what do i need to do gnome
[12:54] <enjoi1216> hey uga where do i find apt at on my KDE start menu
[12:54] <enjoi1216> ??
[12:54] <garfield> gnomefreak: i only find firefox profile
[12:54] <gnomefreak> garfield: your not looking in ~/.kde
[12:55] <enjoi1216> uga are you there
[12:55] <uga> enjoi1216: apt isn't gui application, it's a command line one
[12:55] <gnomefreak> garfield:  i dont have the path atm but all kde is in ~/.kde somewhere
[12:55] <danya> hello .. I have a problem when i want 2 save a session, with all the nice  accesories, it boots again like i didnt save nothing!!
[12:56] <enjoi1216> ok well teach me how to go about doing these things because i'm somewhat Linux illiterate
[12:56] <enjoi1216> because i need hands on instructions
[12:56] <uga> enjoi1216: there's application installers on your menu too. No need to go command line
[12:57] <uga> unfortunately I can't help you out right now myself, since the whole of my desktop is running an unstable version of kde
[12:57] <uga> can anyone help him out find out any apt frontends he may have?
[12:57] <enjoi1216> but apt uga is not on my menu is what i'm saying at all
[12:57] <uga> enjoi1216: I know. The problem is I cannot help you out trying to find out the applications taht _are_ on your menu
[12:58] <uga> because the desktop you are seeing isn't what I'm running right now
[12:58] <enjoi1216> ok
[12:58] <uga> what was that kde frontend...
[12:58] <uga> somebody remember?
[12:58] <enjoi1216> what are you running uga are you running ubuntu or Kubuntu
[12:58] <enjoi1216> ??
[12:58] <flaccid> what are you going on about uga
[12:58] <uga> enjoi1216: kubuntu
[12:58] <enjoi1216> well see thats what i am running also
[12:58] <enjoi1216> i'm running the saame thing
[12:59] <uga> flaccid: nothing myself. Try tell him how to install applications from teh gui. I cannot remember the gui app names
[12:59] <uga> flaccid: I'm running a kde4 svn desktop right now, so I cannot dig the menus ;)
[12:59] <flaccid> !software
[12:59] <ubotu> A general introduction to the ways software can be installed, removed and managed in Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoftwareManagement - See also !Packages, !Equivalents
[12:59] <flaccid> what format are these applications packaged in?
[01:00] <uga> flaccid: he needs to install wine, so first he needs to enable universe and then apt it
[01:00] <uga> but as he doesn't know about linux I'd rather not tell him do so through command line
[01:01] <uga> oh well, a sec. I'll start up a second desktop =)
[01:01] <gnomefreak> !universe
[01:01] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[01:01] <gnomefreak> !adept
[01:01] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[01:01] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:01] <flaccid> enjoi1216, install the package via adept manager which is the graphical front end
[01:03] <uga|away> oh now yes
[01:03] <uga|away> heh, what was the nick I was talking to? =)
[01:04] <gnomefreak> uga|away: enjoi1216
[01:04] <gnomefreak> or flaccid
[01:04] <uga|away> ah, thanks. The kde4 desktop went all black when I switched
[01:05] <uga|away> enjoi1216: okay, _now_ I'm running what you are running ;) Go into the menu, System->Manage Packages (Adept Manager)
[01:06] <uga|away> enjoi1216: then on the menus, follow: adept->manage repositories
[01:07] <BluesKaj> 'morning all ...up early this morn :)
[01:07] <uga|away> enjoi1216: on the first tab (kubuntu software), check "community maintained opensource software"
[01:08] <uga|away> enjoi1216: then press close, and select "fetch updates"
[01:08] <uga|away> that will update the list from the new "universe" named repository
[01:08] <uga|away> search for wine, and install it
[01:09] <combinio> if i want to connect my LCD monitor via DVI - do i need some extra drivers ?
[01:09] <uga|away> now lets see if I can fix the kde4 desktop :/
[01:09] <danya> how can I edit the source list ?
[01:10] <danya> I tried gedit /etc/ .... but I cant seem to save it
[01:10] <alligator> salut !
[01:10] <combinio> danya: kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list IN KDE
[01:10] <fkm> danya: You need super user privileged
[01:10] <fkm> privileged > privileges
[01:11] <BluesKaj> a hint , check system settings/advanced/windows applications , will install wine without searching
[01:12] <BluesKaj> coffee coffee!!
[01:12] <flaccid> i want beer
[01:12] <lozzy> Kubuntu seems to be having problems with my primary dvd+rw. It'll pick up on it after a reboot, but when the kde apps touch it they have a tendency to crash (kaffeine,k3b). My other drive seems to be ok. I've rolled back to an older kernel, but no luck. Everything else is great by the way, fantastic KDE distro.
[01:12] <BluesKaj> 7:12 in the morning here , no beer til this afternoon
[01:13] <danya> combinio : how about on gnome?
[01:13] <flaccid> true
[01:13] <enjoi1216> hey uga does community software need to be checked or unchecked
[01:13] <enjoi1216> ??
[01:13] <uga> enjoi1216: checked. That means enabled
[01:13] <combinio> danya: sudo gedit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:13] <flaccid> i hope they dig me up some gold then
[01:13] <uga> after that fetch update
[01:13] <uga> s
[01:13] <combinio> danya: and then type your password
[01:13] <xp_killer> q_p
[01:13] <enjoi1216> because on the community software the box has an x in it representing that it has been checked
[01:13] <lozzy> Occasionally the whole of KDE will go down and flash up errors on a console screen about /dev/hdc
[01:15] <combinio> .........if i want to connect my LCD monitor via DVI - do i need some extra drivers ???
[01:16] <flaccid> combinio, nope
[01:16] <lozzy> Does anyone have any suggestions/experienced something similar?
[01:16] <BluesKaj> lozzy , have you set up your BIOS to look both dvd/cd drives first, then the floppy (if you have one) and lastly the HDD ...that's the best sequence for kubuntu, it seems
[01:17] <combinio> flaccid: so if it doesn't work it means that there something wrong with DVI cable ? :/
[01:17] <enjoi1216> ok uga i found wine on the update list and i requested an install on the wine update to make sure it was installed on my sytem
[01:17] <lozzy> You mean the boot sequence? Why would that matter?
[01:17] <combinio> or there might be other reasons ? :] 
[01:18] <BluesKaj> lozzy, dunno why but ,we had a similar prob a while back and the user solved his prob with that setup
[01:18] <uga> enjoi1216: have you selected "apply changes"?
[01:18] <lozzy> well, it's worth a try.
[01:18] <uga> enjoi1216: it's when it begins installing
[01:18] <lozzy> thanks.
[01:18] <enjoi1216> yeah and it is downloading the program right now
[01:18] <uga> okay
[01:18] <enjoi1216> i'm waiting on it to download
[01:19] <gnomefreak> xp_killer: look for the file with the ~ at the end from hidden files that is a backup :)
[01:19] <flaccid> depends on what edited the file if there is a backup
[01:19] <uga> enjoi1216: you install all software on kubuntu this way. No need to go for internet links
[01:19] <uga> well, mostly
[01:20] <xp_killer> gnomefreak: ok
[01:20] <flaccid> read the software guide pasted before :)
[01:21] <enjoi1216> well see i checked the details when wine was installing itself and it said i had an error but i think ti installed itself though
[01:21] <uga> uhm
[01:21] <roberto> hi, I have a problem with kubuntu. I have an isdn connection (so I'm using isdnctrl) and it's fine if I use apt-get or, for example, Konversation. When I try to use Konqueror or Kopete they can't go on internet. Konqueror tell me immediately: An error occurred while loading website_name.
[01:21] <gnomefreak> xp_killer: sources.list and xorg should
[01:22] <roberto> with firefox no problem
[01:22] <roberto> it seems to be a problem only with kde programs
[01:22] <uga|away> enjoi1216: view->show last package run->show details
[01:22] <uga|away> you may see the error there, possibly?
[01:22] <uga|away> not too sure
[01:22] <flaccid> roberto, you could try #kde
[01:23] <roberto> flaccid: do you think it's a kde problem...maybe you're right :)
[01:23] <gnomefreak> make sure konq. isnt set to use a proxie
[01:23] <gnomefreak> i think its a kubuntu issue not upstream
[01:23] <roberto> no I checked that
[01:23] <flaccid> roberto, yeah they have had problems like that in the past, thats for sure
[01:23] <roberto> no proxy
[01:24] <uga|away> enjoi1216: else, just test it by opening a terminal (menu->system->terminal program (konsole))
[01:24] <uga|away> then in order to run a windows installer, just type "wine setup.exe" for  example
[01:25] <flaccid> !wine
[01:25] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[01:25] <uga|away> you can do that with konqueror too
[01:25] <flaccid> wine guide ^^ that doesn't get you drunk
[01:25] <uga|away> flaccid: heh, cheers
[01:25] <xp_killer> :/
[01:26] <prudvi> how to update the system after first install
[01:26] <xp_killer> prudvi: sudo apt-get updat then sudo apt-upgrade
[01:26] <flaccid> prudvi, there will usually be an icon in the tray saying updates available. you just click on it
[01:27] <prudvi> yea
[01:27] <prudvi> got it
[01:27] <uga|away> xp_killer: apt-upgrade is 404 =)
[01:27] <uga|away> xp_killer: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:27] <flaccid> no need for cli
[01:27] <prudvi> flaccid >>  what are the best repos available for kubuntu
[01:28] <flaccid> prudvi, the supported ones. depends entirely on what you need...
[01:28] <kcg> !latest
[01:28] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should. Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[01:28] <xp_killer> uga|away: 404?? no dist upgrade
[01:28] <prudvi> ok
[01:28] <uga|away> xp_killer: 404== not found =) That command doesn't exist here
[01:28] <uga|away> apt-get dist-upgrade should work though
[01:29] <uga|away> xp_killer: apt options are: apt-cache,apt-config,apt-ftparchive,apt-key,apt-sortpkgsapt-cdrom,apt-extracttemplates,apt-get,apt-mark
[01:30] <flaccid> sometimes its best to give only the information needed
[01:30] <BluesKaj> 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade'
[01:30] <uga|away> BluesKaj: that's what I suggested =)
[01:31] <flaccid> kubuntu is a desktop OS
[01:31] <shinda> hey guys, i downloaded some kde patches that  I needed and was wondering how I installl, apply them? from my understanding its patch --b [ORIGFILE [PATCHFILE] ]  but how I find the ORIGFILE for instance kdelibs I tried locate but recieved dozens of results
[01:31] <BluesKaj> ya gotta give some ppl the whole command , no "understood" stuff
[01:31] <flaccid> newbies don't need cli
[01:31] <xp_killer> uga|away: what are u trying to tell me?
[01:32] <uga|away> BluesKaj:
[01:32] <uga|away> [13:27]  <uga|away> xp_killer: apt-upgrade is 404 =)
[01:32] <uga|away> [13:27]  <uga|away> xp_killer: apt-get dist-upgrade ?
[01:32] <uga|away> BluesKaj: _I_ did ;)
[01:32] <uga|away> xp_killer: you are suggesting to use "apt-upgrade"
[01:32] <uga|away> that command doesn't exist =)
[01:32] <xp_killer> yes apt-get upgrade
[01:32] <flaccid> don't flood uga|away
[01:32] <BluesKaj> err don't forget sudo
[01:33] <uga|away> flaccid: what should I do, just ignore questions directed at me?
[01:33] <uga|away> and accusing me of pointing out wrong instructions when all I did was fixing them? =)
[01:33] <flaccid> uga|away, just don't flood
[01:33] <xp_killer> prudvi: sudo apt-get update  then sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:33] <flaccid> uga|away, i never did such a thing
[01:33] <BluesKaj> no accusations , just reminders
[01:34] <xp_killer> uga|away: :p i was in a hurry to run in the bathrrom
[01:34] <uga|away> flaccid: others did, and I just responded. I don't see I flooded anywhere. Just a two liner paste to point out backlogs
[01:34] <flaccid> uga|away, you must be blind. you pasted 6 lines in a row a few seconds ago
[01:34] <xp_killer> lol
[01:35] <uga|away> flaccid: I must be blind, yes 6 lines, 2 pasted, 4 typed
[01:35] <flaccid> either way its 6 lines.
[01:35] <uga|away> oh my. flaccid how do you expect me to paste 3 lines and then respond to two people in less than 6 lines
[01:35] <uga|away> must be hard
[01:36] <uga|away> anyway, help them out yourself
[01:36] <flaccid> i don't expect you to do anything uga
[01:36] <flaccid> sweet
[01:36] <BluesKaj> hey flaccid, uga|away... let's not fill the page with flames
[01:36] <flaccid> problem is gone now
[01:37] <xp_killer> euh lol?
[01:37] <xp_killer> uga nooooooooon
[01:37] <xp_killer> lol
[01:38] <xp_killer> flaccid:  reminde me of Tm_T
[01:38] <xp_killer> :p
[01:39] <uga> flaccid: fuck off. Btw, don't flood you pasted like 10 lines in a row in less than  minute
[01:39] <uga> now cya
[01:39] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: there this website http://fullanimes.free.fr/animes-episodes-ddl-sexy.php?id_anime=867 it play good in firefox but in konqueror it bugs out and slows down my pc
[01:39] <flaccid> lol
[01:40] <BluesKaj> xp_killer, then don't use konq , prolly doen't have the right plugins installed
[01:41] <simen> hey folks any1 here who play`s wow and can give me some help with the installing/updating?
[01:41] <flaccid> probably because that site is coded quite badly particularly in the javascript/behaviour area
[01:41] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: yeah but i dont like to surf with 2 web browser
[01:41] <xp_killer> i perfer konq
[01:41] <xp_killer> flaccid: i tink so
[01:41] <flaccid> simen, i think there is a decent howto on the wiki
[01:42] <simen> flaccid i know but it only says how to install and i mannaged that... the problem is to update...
[01:43] <BluesKaj> yeah, konq doesn't work on some sites at all , one or 2 have refused to load...one even refused in to play video FFcuz the site "doesn't support your OS"
[01:43] <flaccid> oh ok, sorry i can't help further on that simen
[01:43] <xp_killer> simen: google is everyone best friend :)
[01:44] <flaccid> its more that sites don't work for konq than konq working for the sites
[01:44] <flaccid> ie. web standards
[01:44] <simen> xp_killer: fine will keep trying... sick of googling for the problem:P all the answers are telling me how to install not to update:P but tnx anyway^^
[01:45] <xp_killer> simen: google have a way bigger brain
[01:45] <BluesKaj> yeah, well as far as I'm concerned if it doesn't work then it's prolly broadly tuned for IE
[01:47] <flaccid> more like the developer sux. IE can do standards, 90% of devs are just non standard
[01:48] <nazgjunk> flaccid: that's not a complete truth
[01:48] <nazgjunk> i haven't yet seen a browser that did exactly what it should with css
[01:49] <nazgjunk> and IE6 had trouble with some aspects of frames
[01:49] <Danix> alguien habla espaol?
[01:49] <enjoi1216> hey uga are you there
[01:50] <djdarkman_> nazgjunk: IE is not famous for being compatible with specs
[01:50] <arash> seriously, is there any difference bewteen Kwrite and Kate? They seem to be exactly the same :p
[01:50] <enjoi1216> hey darkman
[01:50] <djdarkman_> arash: you can open only one file with kwrite
[01:50] <flaccid> nazgjunk, no browser does, doesn't mean that it can't do what is required
[01:50] <enjoi1216> i have the wine program installed on Kubuntu machine
[01:51] <enjoi1216> and i can't figure out how to download myspace im
[01:51] <djdarkman_> myspace has an im?
[01:51] <enjoi1216> it's like a messenger program
[01:51] <enjoi1216> yeah
[01:51] <enjoi1216> yeah all it is
[01:51] <djdarkman_> don`t you know what protocol it uses?
[01:51] <enjoi1216> is it's like yahoo messenger
[01:51] <enjoi1216> Windows XP
[01:51] <djdarkman_> !kopee
[01:51] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopee - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <djdarkman_> !kopete
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <djdarkman_> lol
[01:52] <Danix> :O
[01:52] <Danix> !Hola
[01:52] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hola - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:52] <Danix> xD
[01:52] <Danix> !firefox
[01:52] <ubotu> firefox is the default web-browser on Ubuntu. To install the latest version, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxNewVersion Installing plugins: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FirefoxPlugins
[01:52] <Danix> xD
[01:52] <Danix> !compiz
[01:52] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:52] <djdarkman_> enjoi1216: wait a sec i`ll check this out
[01:52] <enjoi1216> well see i can download it
[01:52] <enjoi1216> but it asks me what to open it with
[01:53] <enjoi1216> then if i save it i can save it to my desktop
[01:53] <shinda> anyone have experience with xinerama on kde?
[01:53] <enjoi1216> but then when i try to open it to install the program on my machine then it's like it doesn't do anything
[01:54] <BluesKaj> !info-kopete
[01:54] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about info-kopete - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[01:54] <arash> enjoi1216 , hmm , it actually might be worth checking out the alternatives :), that is Kopete
[01:54] <BluesKaj> strange
[01:54] <pag> !info kopete
[01:54] <ubotu> kopete: instant messenger for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.6-0ubuntu9 (feisty), package size 7108 kB, installed size 19632 kB
[01:54] <arash> BluesKaj , yes, it's extremely strange if you ask me.
[01:55] <BluesKaj> aha pag got it :)
[01:55] <enjoi1216> ok but how do i go about getting the new Kopete
[01:55] <enjoi1216> i mean i know that i could check it out through the adept manager
[01:56] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, which vers number or is it a dev version
[01:56] <BluesKaj> ?
[01:56] <djdarkman_> !info opera
[01:56] <ubotu> Package opera does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[01:56] <djdarkman_> lol
[01:56] <djdarkman_> !opera
[01:56] <ubotu> opera is an advanced and free (only as in price) web browser.  Install it via Applications->Add/Remove..., making sure that "Show commercial applications" (dapper only) is checked. For more info on opera please see: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/OperaBrowser
[01:57] <flaccid> opera is the shiz
[01:57] <BluesKaj> opera works well on feisty
[01:57] <enjoi1216> i don't think it lists one Blues
[01:57] <djdarkman_> opera is the coolest browser on earth :)
[01:57] <flaccid> oh yeah!
[01:58] <arash> hmm, shouldn't the size of the packages you download with adept be a lot a lot smaller, couldn't it just download the source code and then compile it?
[01:58] <djdarkman_> arash: that would be mega slow
[01:58] <arash> djdarkman_: why :p ? are the sources bigger than the binaries?
[01:59] <djdarkman_> arash: they are smaller, but it takes too long for the system to compile them
[01:59] <enjoi1216> hey darkman
[01:59] <arash> djdarkman_: ah, are they Written in C++?
[01:59] <enjoi1216> is there anything i can do other then Kopete to get myspace im to install itself and working on my computer
[02:00] <djdarkman_> arash: it depends on what program are you alking about
[02:00] <flaccid> arash that would defeat the purpose of a binary package
[02:00] <djdarkman_> enjoi1216: kopete is a multy protocol IM
[02:00] <runlevelten> What protocol is myspace IM?
[02:00] <djdarkman_> enjoi1216: kopete is kompatible with yahoo , msn and many more, but I think it ins`t with myspacwe
[02:00] <arash> hmm, Im always programmiing in pascal, so it takes 3 secs to compile :p.
[02:01] <djdarkman_> runlevelten: it`s something like MSN but not quite
[02:01] <enjoi1216> then i guess i'll never be able to run myspace on my Kubuntu machine
[02:01] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, the latest kopete is installed with kde by default from the versions available at sourceforge etc
[02:01] <flaccid> myspace just requires flash
[02:01] <runlevelten> The problem is not many programmers seem to use myspace, so someone's gonna have to pay for support I spect.
[02:01] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216,  I mean they are the same
[02:02] <flaccid> basically the myspace devs can't dev...
[02:02] <djdarkman_> enjoi1216: the problem is with myspace
[02:02] <enjoi1216> ok flaccid then if myspace requires flash then how do i hands on training in this room go about installing flash and installing myspace im on my machine
[02:02] <enjoi1216> ok tell me how darkman
[02:02] <flaccid> !flash | enjoi1216
[02:02] <ubotu> enjoi1216: To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:03] <enjoi1216> yeah ubotu but after i install flash then how do i install myspace im
[02:04] <enjoi1216> see there exists another problem
[02:04] <djdarkman_> enjoi1216: try with wine
[02:04] <arash> man, you are cracking me up :p , you are talking to a bot ;)
[02:06] <djdarkman_> arash: it happens if you are unfamilliar with IRC
[02:07] <killo69> ans
[02:07] <killo69> nas
[02:07] <lnx_> ineed help i try to fix this two days - someone know how i can view preview of movies ( when i browse in ntfs local driverrr ) in konqueror ?
[02:08] <arash> lnx_ : you want to see them in konquerer, but not media player, right?
[02:09] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, if you do a google search , you'll find several refernces to ppl using 'pidgin' to run the myspace IM on linux...looks like it'll take a little work tho.
[02:10] <waylandbill> I'd use konqueror if it used my ff extentions
[02:10] <flaccid> myspace is a website isn't it
[02:10] <flaccid> oh myspace im ?
[02:10] <lnx_> arash , not , not this at all , i talk about preview like images have preview and instead to see and image icon you see small picture , or in text fiels you have preview with icon that have the 4 first lines of the text file
[02:10] <waylandbill> myspace im. never heard of it.
[02:10] <flaccid> crazy
[02:10] <arash> lnx_: ah :), how come I didn't think of that :)
[02:10] <enjoi1216> well blues would you be willing to help me out with it because the reason why i'm trying to do this is because i have a lot of local friends that i email and communicate with on myspace
[02:11] <flaccid> enjoi1216, i think you should complain to myspace for lack of linux support and standards
[02:11] <djdarkman_> I`ve herad of myspace but this is the first time I hear that it has an IM too
[02:11] <lnx_> :( i try to know how to do it two days
[02:11] <enjoi1216> well i need to know how many people are willing to help me out with installing it
[02:11] <bjwebb> hi
[02:12] <enjoi1216> installing it hands on that is
[02:12] <bjwebb> x is broke :S
[02:12] <enjoi1216> because i know blues probably would
[02:12] <waylandbill> Must be pervs need an im too.
[02:12] <flaccid> probably no one enjoi1216
[02:12] <enjoi1216> shutup flaccid you are a hater
[02:13] <flaccid> i try to avoid supporting crap software personally
[02:13] <bjwebb> x, froze, i killed it using alt+sysrq+k, texmode, reset
[02:13] <BluesKaj> sorry enjoi1216 , i'm not much of an IM user and relly don't know much about them ...as far as email is concerned , any email client should be able to send messages to your friends at myspace.
[02:13] <bjwebb> how do i start it again?
[02:13] <flaccid> enjoi1216, im on freenode, i have the right to speak
[02:13] <enjoi1216> if you are going to be software prejudice
[02:13] <flaccid> its might right to be enjoi1216
[02:13] <enjoi1216> yeah but not to offend people and plus freenode is government funded
[02:14] <flaccid> enjoi1216, maybe this will help you http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=184223&page=3 but they mainly back up my claims
[02:14] <enjoi1216> and if you offend someone you can get in serious trouble
[02:14] <flaccid> i don't see how i could be offending anyone by stating facts
[02:15] <arash> enjoi1216: man calm down... He's just suggesting that you try alternative open software, which is what freenode is all about
[02:15] <flaccid> thanks arash
[02:15] <BluesKaj> flaccid, enuff already
[02:16] <flaccid> im not doing anything BluesKaj
[02:16] <BluesKaj> ppl have the right to try software that others don't approve of
[02:16] <enjoi1216> well i'm trying to get help and it feels like no one wants to help me you people need to understand i'm just as normal as anyone in this room is i'm just trying to get better at Linux and making things work on Kubuntu
[02:16] <flaccid> BluesKaj, i never said they didn't...
[02:17] <flaccid> enjoi1216, myspace im does not work on linux. there is a petition for it if you wish to sign it.
[02:18] <enjoi1216> well it blows because you can download the wine emulator and not even wine will accept it and run it through wine
[02:18] <enjoi1216> it's aggravating
[02:19] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, the problem is that the social sites like myspace  setup proprietary IM apps that they assume will only be populated by windows users ...it's not deliberate , it's just benign neglect.
[02:19] <flaccid> thats the case for a majority of windows software thus the reason for projects like cedega and crossover
[02:19] <flaccid> vendors need to support linux in this case myspace has failed to support anything but microsoft users
[02:20] <arash> I don't get it, Microsoft started a new IM protocol with name of 'MySpace'? Like their old MSN-protocol ?
[02:20] <waylandbill> I prefer open software. any hint of proprietary and I shy away.
[02:21] <enjoi1216> well anyone in this room that has an account with myspace or that supports software compatability needs to wite Tom of Myspace and get on him and tell him that there are just as many Linux Kubuntu users if not more and that he needs to make myspace im compatable with Linux
[02:21] <enjoi1216> and arash
[02:21] <enjoi1216> Microsoft didn't start myspace
[02:21] <waylandbill> noone said MSFT started myspace
[02:21] <enjoi1216> the person who started http://www.myspace.com/ was Tom
[02:22] <flaccid> myspace was sold enjoi1216, Tom doesn't have much to do with it now
[02:22] <enjoi1216> thats what everybody knows him by
[02:22] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, did you try to install it under wine ...I had a similar problem with neotrace not running the exec file , but I used the install application file in wine and it worked , voilsa , i have neotrce pro running on kubuntu
[02:22] <flaccid> BluesKaj, enjoi1216 confirm support in wine db for this application first?
[02:22] <enjoi1216> yeah but he still manages the sight because i see him on there when i'm on my windows machine
[02:23] <enjoi1216> ok and how do i do that
[02:23] <enjoi1216> ?
[02:23] <flaccid> no he doesn't manage it anymore, thats a myth. newscorp bought it for 580mil dollars..
[02:23] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, do you have wine installed?
[02:23] <enjoi1216> yeah but i don't know how to use wine is the issue
[02:24] <flaccid> it may not even be supported by wine, that needs to be checked first..
[02:24] <BluesKaj> flaccid, ok would you like to check it ?
[02:24] <flaccid> looking now
[02:25] <flaccid> myspace im wine: http://appdb.winehq.org/appview.php?iAppId=3398  . mixed results, but success for some
[02:25] <arash> enjoi1216 , you tried 'wine <filepath>' :p ? but let flacc cehck if its working
[02:26] <enjoi1216> ok
[02:27] <enjoi1216> and how do i do that?
[02:27] <arash> open a shell, type 'wine ', then drag the file you want to install in the shell, press 'paste in' in the pop-up that appears when droping in the file
[02:28] <arash> (don't press enter after typing in 'wine ' !)
[02:28] <flaccid> basically if it crashes when run under wine as arash advises, you will have to wait for support to improve. for most people myspace im fails
[02:29] <arash> yep, but tell your friends to use jabber ! (j/k :p =
[02:29] <flaccid> reading the appdb entry, its not going to work at this stage
[02:29] <flaccid> yes tell them to use jabber!!
[02:29] <flaccid> do you still think im a hater, enjoi1216 ?
[02:29] <enjoi1216> this really sucks
[02:30] <enjoi1216> by the way now where do i find the newscorps website at
[02:31] <enjoi1216> is it liek newscorp.com
[02:31] <arash> !google | enjoi1216
[02:31] <ubotu> enjoi1216: Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
[02:31] <flaccid> first result in google...
[02:31] <xp_killer> google is your friend
[02:31] <enjoi1216> well do you think that newscorp will try to shut myspace down
[02:32] <flaccid> not at this stage
[02:32] <enjoi1216> but like do you think myspace will live on is what i'm asking
[02:32] <flaccid> i hope not
[02:32] <enjoi1216> flaccid quit hatin
[02:32] <enjoi1216> so what if everybodys into it
[02:33] <enjoi1216> they have independent myspace groups you know
[02:33] <flaccid> i never used the word hate in any way enjoi1216 . im a web developer. myspace is not web standards so it just doesn't cut it...
[02:33] <enjoi1216> but still it's a popular thing that everybody is into
[02:33] <enjoi1216> i mean good lord flaccid
[02:34] <enjoi1216> i don't care if you are a homosexual gothic person looking to make new friends
[02:34] <flaccid> you do realise that the reason it doesn't work for you is because they don't use standards or support open software...
[02:34] <enjoi1216> thats very independent
[02:34] <enjoi1216> and myspace would even support that
[02:34] <flaccid> i think you are reading more than what my words say
[02:34] <enjoi1216> no i'm just saying
[02:35] <enjoi1216> you need to quit looking at myspace like it's sold out
[02:35] <enjoi1216> like it's the popular thing to do
[02:35] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, you have to try to make things happen in linux by doing some things by yourself . We're here to help , not hold your hand and there's no need for personal comments either.
[02:35] <flaccid> can you stop putting words in my mouth. everything you have said about me, i never said at alll
[02:35] <flaccid> thank you BluesKaj
[02:36] <enjoi1216> yeah well that maybe that myspace is sold out but there are different and independent people on there
[02:36] <xp_killer> sweet
[02:36] <enjoi1216> like gothic people
[02:37] <enjoi1216> independent label punk rockers,computer programmers,networkers,people that like that snowboard,and all sorts of people
[02:37] <flaccid> this has nothing to do with goths lol
[02:37] <BluesKaj> the goths and visigoths lived 1000yrs ago
[02:37] <xp_killer> BluesKaj: does it have anymore important files beside the fstab,source list and xorg.conf?
[02:37] <enjoi1216> it's popular and independent is what i'm saying
[02:37] <enjoi1216> yeah i know you have heard abotu myspace pedifiles
[02:37] <enjoi1216> but thats everywhere you go
[02:37] <flaccid> thats irrelevant. we are talking about support, not popularity
[02:38] <flaccid> !offtopic
[02:38] <enjoi1216> i understand that
[02:38] <BluesKaj> enjoi1216, enuff already
[02:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[02:38] <enjoi1216> but all i'm saying is that you say it's closed source like it's a bad thing but all i'm saying is that it is a nice website
[02:39] <enjoi1216> gothic people are still living today Blues
[02:42] <Tuna> enjoi1216: gothic is as well a historic phase several hundret years ago.
[02:42] <Tuna> Blues: Gothic is as well  youth movement of melancholic thought, black clothes and pale faces.
[02:42] <flaccid> lo
[02:42] <flaccid> +l
[02:44] <Tuna> Do you know what the current status of startup skripts in gutsy is?
[02:44] <enjoi1216> yeah but still it is in music and dressing in black
[02:44] <flaccid> the status is they should work?
[02:44] <Tuna> have they already replaced the init.d skripts?
[02:45] <flaccid> perhaps you should ask in #ubuntu+1
[02:45] <enjoi1216> and Tuna:goths are around it's just different and changed now
[02:45] <Tuna> enjoi1216: no you mean punks: they are about being different.
[02:45] <Tuna> not you mean rappers
[02:45] <bart_> #ubuntu-nl
[02:46] <Tuna> no you mean <hipster>
[02:46] <Tuna> no ou mean being a youth
[02:46] <wers> openoffice.org's icons do not follow my system icons... how do I change them?
[02:46] <ubunturos> any KDE docs developers around?
[02:46] <vlt> Aaaarg! Stop it! What is this?!? I clicked on a link in Konqueror and now a task I would translate as "HTTP cleanup program" runs in klipper for at least 3 minutes and a little jumping document icon next to my mouse pointer makes me wanna scream. What is this?
[02:46] <enjoi1216> yeah but still i know a girl thats gothic and she's a sweetheart
[02:46] <arash> vlt , you wanna remove the jumping icon XD ?
[02:47] <[nrx] > being gothic isn't just about what you look like and wear or the music you listen to, it's a way of life
[02:47] <vlt> arash: Yes, at least this. What does the box do right now?
[02:47] <arash> vlt: the box?
[02:48] <vlt> arash: the system, kde, konqueror watever ...
[02:48] <vlt> what*
[02:48] <arash> vlt: you want to know how to remove the jumping icon?
[02:48] <Tuna> vlt: it is waiting for a process to indicate it is alive.
[02:49] <Tuna> vlt: if that process died before, it won't signal that.
[02:49] <vlt> And what is it? What is this "HTTP cleanup program"?
[02:50] <arash> vlt: I think the name of the program is quite descriptive :)
[02:50] <Tuna> lol
[02:50] <vlt> arash: It cleans up HTTP? ;)
[02:51] <arash> vlt: I would wildly guess cookies and cache-data
[02:52] <flaccid> http is already pretty clean iirc
[02:52] <deviance> What port does IRC use?
[02:52] <SlimeyPete> 6667
[02:53] <flaccid> depends on server. usually 667 - 7000
[02:53] <flaccid> 667 sorry as per SlimeyPete
[02:53] <deviance> Is there any point forwarding that point
[02:53] <deviance> port*
[02:54] <Tuna> deviance: depends on what you want to achieve. I'd say: maybe?
[02:54] <vlt> deviance: from where to where?
[02:54] <flaccid> only if you run an ircd
[02:54] <deviance> Ah okay
[02:54] <deviance> Just thought it might reduce lag
[02:54] <arash> isn't port forwarding only for running servers? I'm not experienced with this at all though ;)
[02:55] <ubunturos> any KDE docs maintainer around?
[02:55] <flaccid> nah when you connect to irc as a client its outgoing not incoming
[02:55] <deviance> Ah okay
[02:55] <arash> ubunturos, you want a document manager (office program?)
[02:55] <flaccid> ubunturos, not really the chan for them
[02:55] <ubunturos> arash: no,
[02:55] <deviance> Why did kubuntu come with no man pages?
[02:56] <Tuna> ubunturos: I think #kde-docs is the place to search, but it seems deserted atm.
[02:56] <ubunturos> flaccid: umm, was guessing
[02:56] <flaccid> deviance, because thats what the ubuntu doc team decided
[02:56] <ubunturos> Tuna: nobody seems to be active there
[02:56] <Tuna> ubunturos: Yeah, I've seen that.
[02:56] <Tuna> It's been like that some days now.
[02:56] <Tuna> Perhaps because nixternal's internet is down?
[02:56] <ubunturos> Tuna: thanks, looks like there's activity there :)
[02:58] <ubunturos> Tuna: nixternal's internet is up again, he had emailed a post to kde-docs
[03:01] <Tuna> ubunturos: Can't see any activity there...
[03:11] <zipper> Okay guys listen up. I need your help to test load on a new server. Need 5 (or more) people at 213.115.187.200:28004 pass: pickup      - Thanks
[03:11] <flaccid> zipper, this is not a testing channel
[03:11] <zipper> oh
[03:11] <zipper> sorry
[03:12] <khaije1> quiet this morning...
[03:12] <soon> Hi folks - Kubuntu 7.04. Apparently no sound when recording from my microphone - any suggestions what to look at? I've checked the Kmixer settings - turning on Mic Boost gives me audible noice, but still no sound from the mic
[03:13] <soon> (sound play back works fine with system .wav files)
[03:15] <flaccid> !sound
[03:15] <ubotu> If you're having problems with sound, first ensure ARTS is running, by going to K Menu -> System Settings -> Sound System and making sure "Enable the sound system" is checked. If that fails, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Sound - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting - For playing audio files, see !Players and !MP3
[03:16] <flaccid> soon, see if the above helps and also check alsamixer from konsole to see if kmix missed any channels for input
[03:18] <soon> thx
[03:19] <xp_killer> >_<
[03:23] <xp_killer> flaccid: i'm a little board what can i do on linux to amuse my self? :/
[03:23] <gN__Hydra> i need help
[03:24] <gN__Hydra> i want to restart my network
[03:24] <ubunturos> !ask | gN__Hydra
[03:24] <ubotu> gN__Hydra: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[03:24] <gN__Hydra> becouse i do something and i blow up the wifi =/
[03:24] <xp_killer> :/
[03:24] <xp_killer> u blow the wifi?
[03:25] <gN__Hydra> sorry my english , not blow up, but the config is not working...
[03:26] <gN__Hydra> becouse i put the wlan, in mode, "dynamic" in the settings
[03:26] <gN__Hydra> but now, doesn't work the wifi  =(
[03:26] <gN__Hydra> i need to restart
[03:26] <gN__Hydra> some help =/
[03:27] <BluesKaj> !wireless | gN__Hydra
[03:27] <ubotu> gN__Hydra: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[03:27] <franz> anybody knows of a great guide in setting up an smtp server? :-)
[03:28] <gN__Hydra> mmm..
[03:28] <franz> !find smtp
[03:28] <ubotu> Found: clamsmtp, esmtp, esmtp-run, hotsmtp, libesmtp-dev (and 18 others)
[03:29] <gN__Hydra> do you have some url in spanish?
[03:29] <gN__Hydra> hahaha
[03:30] <BluesKaj> !es | gN__Hydra
[03:30] <ubotu> gN__Hydra: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[03:30] <gN__Hydra> yes i know dude
[03:30] <gN__Hydra> im in kubuntu-es rigth now but, everybody is SLEEP!
[03:31] <Super_Cat_Frog> hi - is it possible to stop kubuntu from grabbing usb devices? i need to access my tomtom inside vmware
[03:34] <gN__Hydra> alguien
[03:34] <gN__Hydra> vido aca?
[03:34] <Super_Cat_Frog> anybody know which process detects usb devices, so i can just kill it?
[03:34] <gN__Hydra> ok im going out
[03:34] <gN__Hydra> thx
[03:34] <gN__Hydra> =)
[03:36] <franz> anybody knows of a great guide in setting up an smtp server? :-)
[03:36] <Super_Cat_Frog> franz: there's one on howtoforge
[03:37] <Super_Cat_Frog> for postfix, i think
[03:37] <franz> Super_Cat_Frog, thanks, i'll take a look :-)
[03:37] <BluesKaj> Super_Cat_Frog, dbus ?
[03:38] <Super_Cat_Frog> BluesKaj: i realised it was hald, so ive killed it and theyre not being grabbed any more, but vmware still isn't detecting them
[03:40] <BluesKaj> vmware , yeah ...it's a bit more trouble, but i just dual boot ,I just boot into windows if i need to do something there, which is very seldom these days
[03:40] <Skyrider> Salut quelq'un parle franais et pourrez m'aidez s'il vous plait ?
[03:40] <BluesKaj> !fr | Skyrider
[03:40] <ubotu> Skyrider: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:40] <khaije1> Super_Cat_Frog: i'd recommend restarting hald (or just the whole system) and using pumount on the devices while double-checking the vmware settings
[03:41] <Skyrider> thanks
[03:42] <Super_Cat_Frog> khaije1: i forgot to add a usb controller to the vm
[03:42] <vlt> Hello. I want to rotate my screen 90 (c)cw. What option do I need for xrandr? "--orientation"? And what value?
[03:42] <khaije1> Super_Cat_Frog: these things always seem simple in retrospect :-)
[03:44] <vlt> `xrandr` returns "Current rotation - normal" and "Rotations possible - normal"
[03:45] <vlt> aaah, "normal" doesn't mean "yes" here but "normal, and only normal" (which also could be "no") ... ok
[03:47] <khaije1> later all!
[03:53] <jeffm> Hi, all.
[03:53] <jeffm> I'm on a laptop with 1920x1200 resolution and I just installed the latest NVidia drivers.  When I did so, however, the fonts used by KDE got quote a bit larger.
[03:54] <jeffm> KDE still thinks they're 9 point, but they appear larger on screen.  Anyone know how I can tell X what DPI to use for my monitor?  THe setting in KDE appears to have no effect.
[03:55] <bodigempal> halo?
[03:56] <bodigempal> ada yang dari indonesia?
[03:56] <bodigempal> quit
[03:57] <bodigempal> q
[03:57] <[nrx] > try /quit
[03:57] <[nrx] > :)
[04:07] <naknomik> Are the desktop effects that are available on Ubuntu, available on Kubuntu?
[04:08] <flaccid> which desktop effects are you referring to
[04:09] <naknomik> flaccid: beryl, compiz?
[04:09] <SlimeyPete> compiz/beryl do work, but kwin sometimes conflicts with them
[04:09] <runlevelten> Weird... installing libapache2-mod-php5 doesn't provide me with a php5.load... that's not right is it?
[04:09] <flaccid> which version of ubuntu are you on
[04:09] <SlimeyPete> I have no window borders, personally (which doesn't bother me)
[04:09] <naknomik> SlimeyPete: I'm on Feisty.
[04:09] <flaccid> !find php5.load
[04:09] <naknomik> flaccid: I'm on feisty
[04:09] <ubotu> File php5.load found in libapache2-mod-php5
[04:09] <flaccid> !info beryl
[04:09] <ubotu> beryl: Compositing window manager, decorator and theme support - Beryl. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.2.1.dfsg+git20070318-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 2 kB, installed size 44 kB
[04:10] <psicobra> hi does any one know how i would burn a floppy image to floppy
[04:10] <naknomik> I have beryl-kubuntu installed. The problem is aquamarine keeps dieing
[04:10] <flaccid> just like SlimeyPete said
[04:10] <flaccid> !info compiz-fusion
[04:10] <ubotu> Package compiz-fusion does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[04:10] <flaccid> compiz-fusion in gutsy
[04:10] <runlevelten> compiz-fusion is very nice :)
[04:11] <naknomik> Can I upgrade to gutsy from feisty?
[04:11] <flaccid> yes
[04:11] <psicobra> i have a floppy img file how do i get it onto a floppy? any one know?
[04:11] <flaccid> its still in beta
[04:11] <flaccid> its native in gutsy
[04:12] <runlevelten> It's not in there. :\
[04:12] <naknomik> flaccid: no problem. I'm just trying out KDE, my work desktop is still Ubuntu.
[04:12] <flaccid> beryl works will if you don't have the conflict problem with kwin
[04:12] <flaccid> will=well
[04:13] <naknomik> flaccid: I think the problem I'm seeing is different, aquamarine quits with some weird error.
[04:13] <flaccid> ah ok
[04:13] <runlevelten> No, it is in there, but it isn't being pulled out.
[04:15] <naknomik> When I start beryl (from the Beryl Manager) as window manager, kwin goes away, and aquamarine fails to start.
[04:15] <flaccid> do a beryl --replace from konsole
[04:15] <naknomik> If I start aquamarine again on a command line, I see error: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169Failed to open device
[04:16] <flaccid> when fresh, then pastebin me the error
[04:16] <flaccid> !baddevice | naknomik
[04:16] <ubotu> naknomik: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[04:16] <flaccid> you can fix that with the above
[04:16] <flaccid> its not related
[04:16] <naknomik> but I still don't have window decorations
[04:17] <flaccid> lets see the error out from starting beryl including when you select aquamarine
[04:17] <naknomik> I can move windoes with Alt-Left Button, they are wobbly etc., I have cubical desktop
[04:17] <naknomik> How do I capture those errors?
[04:18] <flaccid> login with kde and no beryl, then start beryl by beryl --replace from konsole then select aquamarine if its not by default then pastebin any output from konsole
[04:19] <flaccid> we will ignore any baddevice X errors which are due to wacom
[04:20] <naknomik> !pastebin
[04:20] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:20] <Zvezdichko> is it safe to add several nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf
[04:20] <Zvezdichko> ?
[04:20] <ackbahr> Hi there! I've got problems upgrading to Feisty Fawn.... Could somebody help?
[04:21] <Zvezdichko> nameserver alabala, nameserver alabala1 and so on
[04:21] <naknomik> flaccid: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37537/ here's the complete output
[04:21] <flaccid> Zvezdichko, do it on separate lines. nameserver x.x.x.x per line
[04:22] <Zvezdichko> okay, thanks
[04:22] <Zvezdichko> :)
[04:22] <flaccid> so no error naknomik
[04:23] <naknomik> flaccid: so is this the kwin issue?
[04:23] <psicobra> how do i check and repair a floppy disk
[04:23] <flaccid> not sure naknomik , perhaps ask in #beryl ? im not sure where you would go from here to work it out
[04:23] <flaccid> np Zvezdichko
[04:24] <naknomik> hummm...
[04:24] <naknomik> I'm just trying out KDE, never used it.
[04:24] <naknomik> Amarok is excellent!
[04:24] <flaccid> totally
[04:25] <naknomik> I was also trying to get KDE 4 from backports, doesn't seem to work.
[04:26] <naknomik> I followed instructions here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php to add KDE 4 session and the session indeed starts, but I get a blank panel with two big blobs 'This object could not be loaded'. That's all!
[04:26] <flaccid> hectic
[04:32] <mulander> hi all
[04:33] <naknomik> aahhhh I'll just get a gutsy iso and install.
[04:34] <mulander> quick question - I'm trying to run a DVD but when I try to open it in kaffeine it spits out errors about permission problems with dvd device, but when I browse to a .vob file on the same cd via konqueror and tell kaffeine to open it then it runs fine. Any ideas what setting am I missing?
[04:36] <mulander> anyone?
[04:45] <BluesKaj> mulander, it is strange alright.I have to ask. Do you have libxine-extracodecs , libdvdcss2 & w32codecs installed ?
[04:45] <mulander> BluesKaj: yes all of them.
[04:47] <jalvesaq> Hello!
[04:48] <jalvesaq> I'm trying to install kubuntu, but ubiquity hanged at 83% --- configuring hardware. Does anyonw know what to do?
[04:50] <mulander> BluesKaj: any ideas?
[04:50] <dwidmann> jalvesaq: fire up the live cd again, open the program konsole, time in ubiquity. You should be able to see exactly where it hangs and probably get an error message of some sort.
[04:51] <jalvesaq> Thanks! I try that.
[04:52] <dwidmann> naknomik: I have the same problem, let me know if you find anything out
[04:52] <jalvesaq> bye!
[04:52] <dwidmann> (though, I'm running it in gutsy, so that won't fix the problem)
[04:53] <jalvesaq> I'm running gutsy 14 september build. amd64.
[04:53] <mulander> hmm 1 out of 2 dvds did run properly right now.
[04:53] <mulander> could it be that I'm missing some weird codec?
[04:54] <BluesKaj> mulander, I think dwidman gave me an idea..run kaffeine from the konsole and see what the errors are.
[04:55] <mulander> BluesKaj: already tried that, no interesting output
[04:55] <mulander> BluesKaj: only Failed to open device.
[04:56] <BluesKaj> mulander, commercial releases ?
[04:56] <mulander> BluesKaj: I played those dvds on arch linux, and gentoo linux
[04:56] <dudeicles> could anyone tell me the ctrl+alt+del alternative for Kubuntu?
[04:56] <BluesKaj> yeah, that message is std
[04:56] <mulander> dudeicles: ctrl + alt + backspace for restarting X server.
[04:56] <dudeicles> how about to force quit software?
[04:56] <dwidmann> ctrl + esc to bring up the process list
[04:57] <dudeicles> lol that one works fast
[04:58] <mulander> BluesKaj: the weird part is that I have all the codecs installed, 1 dvd works, for the other kaffeine says that it can't read the source. But the .vob files can be run by kaffeine via konqueror.
[04:58] <dwidmann> ctrl + alt + esc to xkill (cursor of doom included free of charge)
[04:58] <dudeicles> but I just wanted to kill 1 program that just wouldn't close. LOL
[04:58] <dudeicles> what is the cursor of doom?
[04:58] <dudeicles> lol
[05:00] <dudeicles> ah cursor of doom. nice
[05:00] <sander_> somebody clue me on something here
[05:00] <BluesKaj> mulander, the only thing i can think of is to reinstall kaffeine with adept
[05:00] <sander_> i've a problem that strikes me as more than a little bit odd
[05:00] <mulander> BluesKaj: I don't think that could solve the problem.
[05:00] <sander_> i recently bought some hardware and everything aint as it's supposed to be
[05:01] <flaccid> dang
[05:01] <dwidmann> mulander: try running "kaffeine dvd:///dev/dvd" in konsole and see if it bears fruit
[05:01] <sander_> the box locks up, / has been remounted ro sporadically etc. et.c
[05:01] <flaccid> evening Jucato
[05:01] <sander_> and now, whenever i try to start an application, it segfaults and dumps the core
[05:01] <sander_> blender, opera, mplayer, gxine
[05:01] <sander_> you name it, it just goes KADUNK!
[05:02] <sander_> however, this only happens to applications that aren't written specifically for KDE
[05:02] <mulander> same error but much more output from the terminal
[05:02] <Jucato> thank you flaccid
[05:02] <sander_> basically, if the name of the application starts with a K, i'm all good
[05:02] <sander_> any clues?
[05:02] <mulander> libdvdnav language en and pl not found, could it be the case?
[05:02] <dwidmann> sander_: this happens a lot? maybe you should run memtest?
[05:03] <sander_> dwidmann: i have, and it turns up no errors
[05:03] <dwidmann> sander_: start them from konsole, see if you get any more info on the error
[05:03] <sander_> alright
[05:03] <sander_> thanks
[05:04] <dwidmann> mulander: might be
[05:07] <mulander> ok guys, thanks for your help it was the fault of the cds not the system.
[05:08] <naknomik> Does KDE 4 work in Gutsy?
[05:08] <ubuntu> i have emerald with compiz
[05:08] <ubuntu> i want to install others effects
[05:09] <BluesKaj> !effects
[05:09] <ubotu> For help or discussion on Beryl or Compiz desktop effects, please go to #ubuntu-effects
[05:09] <ubuntu> which package can i install to have better efeccts
[05:09] <ubuntu> thanks
[05:09] <naknomik> ubuntu: install beryl-kubuntu
[05:09] <ubuntu> ok
[05:10] <Jucato> naknomik: please see the topic of the channel
[05:10] <Jucato> (last link)
[05:11] <naknomik> motd
[05:11] <naknomik> !motd
[05:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about motd - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <naknomik> How do I see the topic of the day?
[05:12] <Jucato> naknomik: er.. just look up? (if you're using konversation)
[05:12] <naknomik> I'm using kopete
[05:12] <Jucato> oh.. type /topic I think
[05:13] <naknomik> Topic for #kubuntu is Kubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: <----- that's all I got
[05:13] <Jucato> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[05:21] <waylandbill> *** The channel topic is "Kubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: http://wiki.kubuntu.org/CommonQuestions | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuFeistyKnownProblems | Free Kubuntu CDs! https://shipit.kubuntu.org | Large pastes: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Offtopic in #kubuntu-offtopic please. | KDE 4.0 beta 2 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php".
[05:32] <circassia> hey
[05:33] <circassia> deutschsprachige da?
[05:33] <soulrider_> !printing
[05:33] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[05:33] <Jucato> !de | circassia
[05:33] <ubotu> circassia: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:35] <uttar1> I have installed kubuntu through apt-get on my ubuntu desktop. How do I delete all data (packages) related to ubuntu (including configuration files) ?
[05:37] <Jucato> uttar1: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purekde
[05:37] <uttar1> Jucato: Thanks
[05:38] <Jucato> as for removing the config files (in /etc of course) as well, insert --purge after "apt-get remove"
[05:43] <mrksbrd> what is the terminal command to pull up device list???
[05:44] <Jucato> !away > esteve
[05:44] <Jucato> mrksbrd: lspci and/or lsusb?
[05:44] <Jucato> lshw is more detailed I think
[05:45] <mrksbrd> na neither one of them do what i'm looking for
[05:45] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: What ARE you looking for?
[05:46] <knowledge25k> hello can somebody help me out with this  redhat-cluster-suite
[05:46] <mrksbrd> what i need is to show like /dev/sbd1 ......... or /dev/scd0
[05:46] <jhutchins> mrksbrd: sudo fdisk -l?
[05:46] <mrksbrd> thats right ty J
[05:47] <Jucato> heh.. "devices" huh? :)
[05:47] <n8k99> knowledge25k: i'm not certain that is the right channel for that
[05:47] <Azzco> Why is the login sound so loud?
[05:48] <knowledge25k> where should i go
[05:50] <stdin> knowledge25k: try #RedHat
[05:51] <alan__> How can i change my pendrives name?
[05:51] <knowledge25k> BUT I DON'T HAVE RED HAT ON MY SYSTERM\
[05:52] <Jucato> !caps | knowledge25k
[05:52] <ubotu> knowledge25k: PLEASE DON'T SHOUT! We can read lowercase too.
[05:52] <Jucato> knowledge25k: isn't it a redhat product? *redhat* cluster suite?
[05:52] <stdin> knowledge25k: and "hello can somebody help me out with this  redhat-cluster-suite" << redhat product, redhat channel
[05:53] <Stashman> this isn't mschat?
[05:54] <stdin> Stashman: if it was you'd get popups ;)
[05:54] <knowledge25k> i'm try to istall looking glass on my computer i keep reciving that message
[05:54] <flake> should I use gdesklets, superkaramba, or other.. what's the latest greatest desktop apps
[05:54] <flake> screenlets?
[05:54] <Stashman> lol
[05:55] <Jucato> flake: you're on KDE? it'd be best to use superkaramba
[05:55] <flake> and running compiz will give them transparency, like no black square around the clock?
[05:55] <Stashman> ok, just installed ubuntu....and this is #kubunto .....
[05:57] <Jucato> flake: um.. current desklets are known not to work well with compiz afaik
[05:57] <Jucato> not entirely sure
[05:57] <stdin> windowless windows don't work well with it, no
[05:59] <dudeicles> does anyone know how to make a gamepad work in xmame?/
[05:59] <dudeicles> mine used to work, now only the buttons work, not the d-pad
[06:00] <dudeicles> I have 2 controllers and both of them work in xmame, just the buttons. for some reason the d-pads dont' work on any of them.
[06:03] <deviance> Whats the codec for .wma files if it exists?
[06:03] <stdin> deviance: w32codecs
[06:03] <stdin> !w32codecs | deviance
[06:03] <ubotu> deviance: Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[06:04] <deviance> Hmm, i have that installed but Bashee still doesnt let me play thoes filse
[06:04] <deviance> I am not sure about amarok.
[06:04] <stdin> deviance: as long as they aren't DRM'd
[06:04] <deviance> Nope, ripped from a CD
[06:05] <deviance> They shouldnt be DRM;d, how can I tell?
[06:06] <stdin> deviance: they normally aren't unless you buy them
[06:08] <rediz_> cant edit filesystem. terminal su enter passwrd still wont let me edit file
[06:08] <deviance> stdin: What package allowes K3B to rip in mp3?
[06:09] <deviance> I'm gonna rerip the CD and see if that works.
[06:09] <stdin> deviance: libk3b2-mp3
[06:10] <rediz_> devia nce. love your your work keep it up
[06:10] <deviance> How do you know so mich :P
[06:10] <deviance> Installed already, but k3B wont let me rip
[06:10] <stdin> deviance: experience :p
[06:10] <deviance> rediz_: What do you mean by that?
[06:11] <Zvezdichko> any hints how to remove kde4 completely
[06:11] <Zvezdichko> ?
[06:11] <HayaBusa> hello.
[06:11] <Zvezdichko> hello
[06:11] <HayaBusa> i used live cd on emachin to test the system
[06:11] <Zvezdichko> may I call you MUSES-C?
[06:11] <rediz_> must be another deviance sorry
[06:11] <HayaBusa> i turned off the live cd but before process was finished i removed the CD
[06:11] <stdin> Zvezdichko: just remove all the kde4* packages, kdebase-workspace and kdelibs5
[06:12] <deviance> It could be me, what do you mean :P
[06:12] <carlos> holas tengo problemas al instalar kxine uso kubuntu feisty
[06:12] <Zvezdichko> thanks
[06:12] <HayaBusa> now when i boot , it dosn't pass the system screen where it says F10 FOR BOOT AND F2 FOR SETUP
[06:12] <rediz_> games deviance
[06:12] <carlos> hola
[06:12] <carlos> hola
[06:12] <carlos> como estan
[06:12] <deviance> Damn, not me,Im not famouse yet
[06:12] <HayaBusa> What has gone wrong
[06:12] <carlos> como estan
[06:12] <rediz_> lol
[06:12] <carlos> espaol
[06:12] <Zvezdichko> oops... kde4* selects the normal KDE also
[06:12] <stdin> !es | carlos
[06:12] <ubotu> carlos: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:13] <stdin> Zvezdichko: use adept and search for kde4
[06:13] <ninhobomba> hello... anyone knows how to lookup cd information from amarok on the internet?
[06:14] <rediz_> cant log in as root to edit files any help please
[06:14] <HayaBusa> can live CD damage system biose ?
[06:14] <stdin> !root | rediz_
[06:14] <ubotu> rediz_: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[06:14] <Zvezdichko> HayaBusa: I don't believe so
[06:14] <stdin> HayaBusa: no, not at all
[06:14] <HayaBusa> when i removed the live cd by accident , now i have no way booting anymore
[06:15] <rediz_> when itasks for pw just enter?
[06:15] <Zvezdichko> hmmm
[06:15] <HayaBusa> i didn't let it finish turning off
[06:15] <Zvezdichko> check your BIOS settings
[06:15] <HayaBusa> i can not enter that either
[06:15] <stdin> rediz_: use sudo and use your password
[06:16] <rediz_> i'm in thnkz
[06:16] <HayaBusa> do you know how i can reset biose without removing  system info ( flushing ) to factory default ..
[06:17] <naknomik> HayaBusa: There should be a jumper on your mobo to reset bios
[06:18] <HayaBusa> thanks
[06:18] <Zvezdichko> proceeding with ubuntu-desktop...
[06:19] <Zvezdichko> ops wrong
[06:19] <eNtRoPiA> hi guys!
[06:19] <dudeicles> does anyone here know a channel I could go to for help setting up my controllers?
[06:20] <rediz_> trying to install kfreeflight. when in dir use command ./configure, and get
[06:20] <rediz_> checking build system type... Invalid configuration `i686-pc-linux-oldld': machine `i686-pc-linux' not recognized
[06:20] <rediz_> configure: error: /bin/sh admin/config.sub i686-pc-linux-oldld failed
[06:21] <rediz_> is this an old game
[06:21] <dudeicles> is there a newer version of this game?
[06:22] <stdin> rediz_: try with --host=i486-linux-gnu --build=i486-linux-gnu
[06:22] <as2000> how do you get rid of that annoying squishy bouncy thing next to the mouse pointer?
[06:23] <rediz_> tryed itan got. error: no acceptable C compiler found in $PATH
[06:24] <stdin> rediz_: you need to install build-essential
[06:26] <rediz_> where can iget?
[06:26] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: adept/aptitude/apt-get (take your pick)
[06:27] <aan> hai,does anyone know how 2 make kbuntu like mac OSX????
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> !themes
[06:27] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[06:27] <rediz_> wot/where is adept/aptitude/apt-get
[06:27] <SlimeyPete> !apt
[06:27] <ubotu> APT is the Advanced Package Tool, which together with dpkg forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit. Short apt-get manual: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptGetHowto - Also see !Synaptic (Gnome) or !Adept (KDE)
[06:28] <rediz_> is it command line
[06:28] <stdin> rediz_: adept is a GUI
[06:28] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: adept is GUI, others are CLI
[06:28] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: they're the main way of installing software. Adept is available via the K menu.
[06:28] <stdin> rediz_: Kmenu > system > adept manager
[06:30] <rediz_> Kmenu > system > adept manager is installed but cant see in menu/system
[06:31] <rediz_> not in pref or admin
[06:31] <stdin> rediz_: are you on gnome ?
[06:32] <rediz_> unbuntu. not shaw. i'm newbie
[06:33] <stdin> rediz_: ubuntu is gnome, kubuntu is KDE
[06:33] <revo> hi
[06:33] <revo> I've a problem when kopete is running: Alt+Tab kicks me to KDE-Loginscreen
[06:33] <rediz_> how can i tell which 1
[06:33] <aan> thx 4 the info
[06:33] <stdin> rediz_: is the desktop brown?
[06:34] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: if you have a K in the bottom left corner then you're on KDE/kubuntu.Click the K, then go to the "system" submenu (NOT the system preferences application)
[06:34] <SlimeyPete> adept is in there. Click on it.
[06:34] <stdin> if it's brown it's gnome, if it's blue it's kde :p
[06:34] <blkdg> hi, i would like to modify kubuntu so that my students can use it in our school's lab.  The problem is that I need their internet connection to go through our school's proxy server.  Where would I begin reading information about this?
[06:34] <rediz_> it was brown. no k in bottom left
[06:35] <rediz_> all option at  top
[06:35] <stdin> rediz_: then it's Ubuntu Gnome
[06:35] <blkdg> also, if i do edit the proxy.sh file if it exixts, can i make this change permenate?
[06:35] <rediz_> so i cant use with this system
[06:35] <stdin> rediz_: the Ubuntu channel is #ubuntu and see the synaptic guide here   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticHowto
[06:36] <stdin> blkdg: the proxy settings are in system settings > network settings
[06:36] <stdin> blkdg: under "proxy" as it happens :)
[06:36] <aan> by the way,wich is better,adept installer or synaptic????
[06:36] <jhutchins> blkdg: You should probably begin with the Linux Systems Administrators' Guide, and the Network Administrator's Guide, then this may give you proxy specific information: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Firewall-HOWTO.html
[06:37] <stdin> aan: neither is "better"
[06:37] <jhutchins> synaptic has unnecessary gui garbage.
[06:37] <SlimeyPete> Adept is buggy IME
[06:37] <blkdg> thank you.  how can i make these changes during the remastering process so that subsequent isos' that i burn will use the proxy?
[06:37] <stdin> SlimeyPete: it's newer, it was made for kubuntu
[06:37] <SlimeyPete> I personally prefer Synaptic, but at the end of the day they both achieve the same ends
[06:38] <rediz_> got synaptic. how do i open it
[06:38] <SlimeyPete> stdin: yeah, I realise that. I may well switch to Adept once it's matured a bit.
[06:38] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: click on it in the menu. But if you're using Gnome you're better off asking in #ubuntu.
[06:38] <rediz_> thnks. ;)
[06:39] <jhutchins> blkdg: I'm not sure, remastering's a bit of an art.
[06:40] <aan> I use adept but when i install a lot of packet,sometimes the instalaltion is unsuccesfull,so i want to try synaptic.
[06:40] <blkdg> i will be remastering because i would like to add jdk to the iso.
[06:40] <aan> What do you suggest???
[06:40] <jhutchins> blkdg: This may help: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[06:40] <SlimeyPete> aan: try it and see
[06:40] <SlimeyPete> if you prefer synaptic, stick with it :)
[06:41] <jhutchins> aan: apt-get or aptitude
[06:41] <logixoul> Hi. Is there a simple, foolproof way of making everything in a dir, including subdirs, have 777 permissions, forever?
[06:41] <blkdg> thanks jhutchins
[06:41] <stdin> logixoul: yes, but 777 is the number of the devil
[06:41] <aan> ok then,i'll try to use synaptic.
[06:41] <logixoul> stdin: heh
[06:41] <jhutchins> stdin: No, 777 is the NEIGHBOR of the devil.
[06:42] <jhutchins> stdin: Or is that 668?
[06:42] <jon_> can someone help me with my wireless connection on my laptop? i have ndiswrapper and the driver but somethings not working
[06:42] <stdin> in linux it's 777, just because that's the least secure permission (well almost))
[06:42] <stdin> logixoul: "sudo chmod -R 777 /path/to/dir"
[06:43] <logixoul> stdin: I know that, but later on some files turn out to get other permissions. For example files svn updates, or files I open&save from another user...
[06:44] <logixoul> I'm on the verge of setting a "sudo chmod -R 777 /path/to/dir" cronjob for midnight :)
[06:45] <stdin> logixoul: ahh, we'll that's umask, that's set in /etc/profile but I don't think you can set it per-directory, just per user
[06:45] <jon_> is there a channel for atheros cards?
[06:45] <Artimus> I just installed Rhythmbox in Kubuntu.  When I run it, I get a rhythmbox process and no GUI...  There's no errors reported to the standard output.
[06:45] <stdin> logixoul: just set the guid bit and have all users be in that group
[06:45] <logixoul> stdin: well, the dir I wanted to set it to is /home/oneOfTheUsers so that suits me perfectly :) thanks
[06:46] <logixoul> stdin: so I should change the "umask 022" to "umask 777" there?
[06:47] <logixoul> stdin: and then set the guid bit to /path/to/dir?
[06:47] <stdin> logixoul: no, 777 would translate to permissions of 000
[06:47] <logixoul> oh. 000 then.
[06:48] <logixoul> damn, I'd better google this umask thing out :)
[06:48] <logixoul> ok, let's hope it worked :)
[06:49] <stdin> logixoul: just set the directory to to be group writeable and set the gid bit, so all files created will be in the group of the parent dir
[06:49] <logixoul> GID or GUID?
[06:49] <logixoul> I think you meant GID the first time, right?
[06:50] <stdin> logixoul: I think it's actually called GUID, not sure now :p
[06:50] <stdin> logixoul: or SGID ;p
[06:51] <stdin> logixoul: it's "chmod g+s" anyway
[06:51] <logixoul> "Globally Unique Identifier" or "Group identifier" or "Silicon Graphics" :)
[06:51] <logixoul> ah ok
[06:53] <jon_> how come when i try to use gedit i get this: X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171
[06:53] <tid-wave> hello. even though I didn't set dhcp for any interface the dhcdbd daemon is messing up my network configuration. why ? and how can I disable dhcdbd?
[06:53] <pag> !baddevice | jon_
[06:53] <ubotu> jon_: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[06:53] <dhq> i wanna play a movie and stream it on the network at the same time live how do i do this
[06:54] <jhutchins> dhq: Read the docs for vlc.
[06:54] <logixoul> dhq: simply open it in Kaffeine
[06:54] <jon_> pag it wont open gedit tho
[06:54] <dhq> logixoul, kafine and then do what
[06:54] <logixoul> dhq: fileopen url
[06:55] <jalvesaq> Hi! I'm trying to install ubuntu gutsy on amd64. I followed the suggestion made here some minutes ago, rebooted, and restarted ubiquity in konsole. Ubiquity didn't output any message to konsole, but this time I noted that the installations hangs when there is a message about the installation of language support. And it seems that the problem is that apt-get doesn't run. The output of "LC_ALL=C apt-get -f install" is "E: Unable to write mmap - msync (0
[06:55] <jalvesaq> Success)   E:  The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.". Does anyone knows a solution to this problem?
[06:55] <dhq> logixoul, i wanna play a movie file and it should stream on the network
[06:55] <pag> jon_, does it give any other error msgs?
[06:55] <logixoul> dhq: aha, and?
[06:56] <dhq> logixoul, well thats about it i wanna play videos which others can view whwn i play it at the exact position
[06:56] <logixoul> dhq: rephrase that.
[06:57] <dhq> logixoul, see if i am watching a movie i want it to be viewed on other pcs
[06:57] <jon_> pag X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 171, major opcode: 150 minor opcode: 3
[06:57] <logixoul> jon_: will it open kwrite?
[06:58] <rediz_> thank nickrud, dl ing now :)
[06:58] <pag> jon_, other kind of errors... those BadDevice errors mean pretty much nothing
[06:58] <deichgraf4> moin
[06:59] <jon_> it finally opened gedit, about 3 or 5 minutes later
[06:59] <jon_> is there a way to make it not fail to open device ? it never did this before
[07:00] <jhutchins> jon_: Yes.  Read the article you were referred to.
[07:00] <SlimeyPete> jon_: might be worth checking /etc/X11/xorg.conf and removing all input devices which you know you never use
[07:02] <stdin> !baddevice
[07:02] <ubotu> If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[07:02] <rediz_> anyone know beat dj mixng software
[07:03] <tid-wave> How can I disable a dbus service ? is there a GUI tool for that ?
[07:04] <rediz_> anyone know best beat dj mixng software please?
[07:04] <rediz_> anyone know best dj mixng software please?
[07:04] <Alp`> rediz_: fruity loops for windows ;)
[07:04] <jon_> what is synaptics touchpad
[07:04] <NickPresta> !patience | rediz_
[07:04] <ubotu> rediz_: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[07:05] <rediz_> ok sorry. wasnt trying to be rude or impatience
[07:06] <blkdg> hi, i looked at the networking howto that i was told to look at, but i don't want to run a squid server. i just want my student's browsers to go through the schools proxy server.
[07:06] <blkdg> i hope that maid sence
[07:06] <blkdg> made.
[07:08] <_4strO> blkdg:  did you look at  : K / system settings / mandatory proxy server ?
[07:09] <fkm> Is there a possibility to start a linux (the first time, i.e. livecd) without the need for a monitor?
[07:09] <blkdg> no. i will look now
[07:09] <fkm> Some sort of livecd that boots the system and then opens a ssh server
[07:10] <fkm> I got a computer which doesn't give me any picture. It will be a server anyway. So after the installation I won't use the AGP slot anyway
[07:11] <arash> Hi, I wonder, is there any reminder applications (that does something every 3 min, at specific times, etc)
[07:11] <logixoul> arash: kalarm?
[07:11] <_4strO> !cron arash
[07:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about cron arash - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:11] <_4strO> !cron | arash
[07:11] <ubotu> arash: cron is a way to schedule execution of software/scripts. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CronHowto  -  There is also a decent Howto at http://www.tech-geeks.org/contrib/mdrone/cron&crontab-howto.htm
[07:12] <blkdg> _4strO: i can't see what you are telling me to look for.
[07:13] <_4strO> blkdg: oups : K / system settings / network configuration / mandatory proxy server
[07:13] <arash_> eh, i disconnected, you said anything meanwhile?
[07:14] <bigleon> Good morning.
[07:14] <blkdg> _4strO: do you mean from within the OS or a document that you are telling me to read?
[07:14] <blkdg> i think you mean an OS
[07:14] <_4strO> yes
[07:14] <blkdg> in that case i'm in win xp right now.
[07:14] <blkdg> oh
[07:15] <blkdg> ok, so if i do reboot and make the change in the mandatory proxy server area, how can i make that change stick after i remaster the image?
[07:15] <_4strO> blkdg: sorry i dont know about that
[07:16] <_4strO> blkdg: but i think you dont have anything to do, beacause the change will be write in a config file
[07:17] <blkdg> ok, thanks i will try.
[07:17] <blkdg> thanks again.
[07:18] <carlos> espaol
[07:18] <carlos> espaol
[07:18] <carlos> espaol
[07:18] <carlos> espaol
[07:18] <pag> !es | carlos
[07:18] <ubotu> carlos: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:21] <tid-wave> where can I complain for the poor quality of NetworkManager?
[07:21] <logixoul> tid-wave: in #opensuse
[07:21] <tid-wave> btw why is this included in ubuntu ?
[07:21] <tid-wave> it's really crappy
[07:22] <tid-wave> I mean .. it really makes my network connection unusable
[07:22] <logixoul> no, it's convenient, and, in some cases, irreplacable
[07:22] <logixoul> that you have problems with it is another matter
[07:22] <rediz_> anyone know how to start flightgear after it installed. i'm in the install dir but cant see the file run it
[07:23] <tid-wave> logixoul: how can I just disable networkmanager ?
[07:23] <logixoul> rediz_: if you installed it the proper way (with apt), it should probably appear in KMenu.
[07:23] <logixoul> tid-wave: no idea for Kubuntu. look in the network settings.
[07:29] <rediz_> installed in ubuntu. im in instll dir but dont know how to start
[07:29] <rediz_> tryed shearchig for .exe
[07:30] <SlimeyPete> rediz_: tried just typing "flightgear"?
[07:30] <Shinobi> how to register my account?
[07:30] <Shinobi> !register
[07:30] <ubotu> Information about registering your Freenode nick is at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#contents-userregistration
[07:31] <NickPresta> rediz_, open up a Konsole and navigate to the directory (cd directory name). Then, post the output of 'ls -la' (sans quotes) in a pastebin.
[07:31] <Shinobii> :D
[07:31] <NickPresta> :)
[07:32] <ScorpKing> to run flightgear type fgfs
[07:33] <gustavo> is there any reason why my nfs works with 192.168.2.93/32 but dont with 192.168.2.0/24 ???
[07:34] <tom__> any one can tell me where to get any more or better applications
[07:34] <rediz_> says not found
[07:34] <jussi01> !adept | tom__
[07:34] <ubotu> tom__: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:34] <NickPresta> tom__, I'm not sure what you mean "better applications". There are many, many applications in the repository. Any specific application you want?
[07:35] <Shinobii> .
[07:37] <tom__> no im just checking it out
[07:37] <tom__> thanks
[07:38] <NickPresta> tom__, make sure you enabled universe and multiverse for even more applications
[07:38] <NickPresta> !universe | tom__
[07:38] <ubotu> tom__: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[07:38] <darlok> How do I uninstall software that was installed by compiling the source?
[07:39] <NickPresta> darlok, in the source directory, `make uninstall`
[07:39] <somiran> how can i install new style in amarok
[07:39] <darlok> NickPresta: I don't have the source directory anymore.  I'm trying to install a new version and I only have the source for the new version, but want to remove the OLD version first.
[07:40] <somiran> [red] how to install new style in amarok[/red] 
[07:40] <NickPresta> somiran, Settings > Configure Amarok > Appearance >
[07:40] <somiran> i did that
[07:41] <NickPresta> darlok, hmm. I'm not sure then. Would it be fine to just install the new version in the same location as the old? It should overwrite...
[07:41] <NickPresta> somiran, and what seems to be the problem?
[07:41] <somiran> and also downloaded a new style but i did not see that in pop down menu
[07:41] <NickPresta> somiran, did you click on the "Install New Style" button to install the style?
[07:42] <somiran> ya
[07:42] <somiran> but it did not change anything
[07:43] <NickPresta> somiran, you have to close the "Configure" window and reopen it to have the new style in the drop-down menu. Once you reopen it, you can select it from the drop-down menu and then hit apply.
[07:43] <superkiwi> Hey, in Ubuntu you have a application where you can select 'restricted drivers', but in kubuntu, I can't find anything similar. Are the drivers for my video card installed in the install or are only generic drivers installed?
[07:44] <kkathman> superkiwi:  generic
[07:44] <superkiwi> ow, so how do I install restricted drivers in Kubuntu?
[07:44] <kkathman> but if you installed it using ubuntu, its there
[07:44] <NickPresta> !info restricted-manager
[07:44] <ubotu> restricted-manager: manage non-free hardware drivers. In component main, is optional. Version 0.20 (feisty), package size 32 kB, installed size 300 kB
[07:44] <NickPresta> superkiwi, `sudo apt-get install restricted-manager`
[07:44] <SlimeyPete> superkiwi: you can manually install nvidia/fglrx drivers via adept, or you can install the restricted manager.
[07:44] <kkathman> its just harder in kubunutu
[07:44] <superkiwi> thanks
[07:45] <kkathman> you have to enable the restricted repos, install the particular driver
[07:45] <kkathman> ubuntu does make that much easier
[07:45] <kkathman> why kubuntu doesnt do that I don't know
[07:45] <SlimeyPete> kubuntu has a smaller development team.
[07:45] <SlimeyPete> I guess they just haven't had time to implement it yet
[07:46] <kkathman> SlimeyPete:  yeah that might be it
[07:46] <superkiwi> hmm, how do I run the restricted manager application after it's downloaded?
[07:47] <NickPresta> superkiwi, `restricted-manager`
[07:47] <superkiwi> ah, thanks
[07:47] <kkathman> or just add "restricted" to all the appropriate sources in your sources.list, run sudo apt-get update and download your drivers
[07:48] <kkathman> alternately, if you have nvidia, just go to their site, download the NVIDIA driver, and sh that file, choosing to compile the interface
[07:48] <Doctor_Nick> does anyone know the process for submitting a package to the universe repository
[07:48] <superkiwi> Cool, it's downloaded and installed. THanks everyone, restart is needed.
[07:49] <NickPresta> !motu | Doctor_Nick
[07:49] <ubotu> Doctor_Nick: motu is short for Masters of the Universe. The brave souls who maintain the packages in the Universe section of Ubuntu. See  http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[07:49] <kkathman> Doctor_Nick:  actually there was a big demo yesterday on using the launchpad utils to create and submit packages
[07:50] <Doctor_Nick> carp
[07:50] <Doctor_Nick> kkathman: was it archived or what :/
[07:50] <NickPresta> kkathman, where?
[07:50] <kkathman> Doctor_Nick:  im not sure if it was or not - you might could go to #ubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-devel and ask  not sure
[07:50] <kkathman> I just got the announcement in the mailist
[07:53] <Josue> 
[07:54] <Josue> espaol
[07:54] <Josue> espao
[07:54] <Josue> espaol
[07:54] <NickPresta> !es | Josue
[07:54] <ubotu> Josue: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[07:56] <Minnozz> Hi, I was gone from my computer this afternoon and at a certain time, I saw (at somebody else's pc) that I went offline @ MSN. Syslog says 'IRQ 17: nobody cared' at the exact same time I went offline. What's this?
[07:56] <bigleon> prolly someone runninga  script
[07:58] <naknomik> What packages do I need to pull to enable Compiz-fusion on Kubuntu (gutsy)?
[07:58] <NickPresta> !compizfusion
[07:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about compizfusion - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:58] <naknomik> !compiz-fusion
[07:58] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[07:58] <bigleon> try a google theere nak
[07:59] <naknomik> bigleon: tried, nothing turns up
[07:59] <NickPresta> !gutsy | naknomik
[07:59] <ubotu> naknomik: Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[07:59] <NickPresta> try asking in #ubuntu+1
[07:59] <bigleon> Try making google focus on ubuntu.com with prefences
[08:00] <kkathman> naknomik: you have to add repos and install multiple things
[08:00] <kkathman> naknomik:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[08:00] <kkathman> follow that exactly
[08:01] <Minnozz> what does this mean? http://paster.dazjorz.com/?a=rawpaste&p=986
[08:02] <naknomik> kkathman: that's for feisty, I'm on gutsy
[08:02] <kkathman> should be the same
[08:03] <kkathman> gutsy should have it as standard - the dev team voted just this week on that
[08:04] <gnomefreak> kkathman: its been installed by default but only certain cards are enabled by default (mostly intel card iirc)
[10:03] (martijn/#kubuntu) jussi01: hehe, i want the effects installed by xserver-xgl
[10:03] (stdin/#kubuntu) !baddevice | pillowpants
[10:03] (ubotu/#kubuntu) pillowpants: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[10:03] (pillowpants/#kubuntu) i keep getting that when i open certain programs from the terminal
[10:03] (kyubiii/#kubuntu) im having this big problem, yesturday i was here ask about the flash plugin that was failing, they helped me and flash began to work correctly, but now the problem is back, every time I try to open a flash web page the browser crashes
[10:04] <zblach_> hey all. quick question. kpanel is stuck locked. how can I manually unlock it?
[10:04] <zblach_> clicking 'unlock panel' does nothing
[10:04] <pillowpants> killall kpanel
[10:04] <pillowpants> then the command to restart it
[10:04] <pillowpants> which is... i forgot
[10:05] <zblach_> kicker
[10:05] <zblach_> the lock is persistant
[10:05] <astan> hm. when is gutsy scheduled for release?
[10:05] <emilsedgh> zblach_: kpanel? I dont know it, if you mean the Panel (kicker), then right click->Unlocl Panel
[10:05] <zblach_> astan: end of october
[10:05] <astan> zblach_: alright.
[10:05] <zblach_> emilsedgh: it's stuck locked. clicking unlock panel has no effect
[10:05] <pillowpants> kicker, yeah
[10:06] <pillowpants> astan: i do believe gutsy is already out
[10:06] <stdin> pillowpants: no, it's not
[10:06] <zblach_> pillowpants: end of october
[10:06] <zblach_> and there are no dcop controls to unlock it either
[10:07] <kyubiii> any1 flashplugin help??
[10:08] <jon_> it seems like i have to depmod -a and aticonfig --initial everytime i restart. why is that?
[10:11] <jon_> how do i fix X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 169?
[10:11] <stdin> !baddevice | jon_
[10:12] <stdin> ...
[10:12] <ubotu> jon_: If you are receiving an error similar to "X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 168", it can be safely ignored. If you want to get rid of the error messages then please visit this page: http://seerofsouls.com/wiki/How-Tos/BadDeviceErrors
[10:12] <jon_> stdin i went through this page earlier...i guess it didnt work for me
[10:13] <stdin> jon_: you have to restart X after you do that
[10:13] <jon_> stdin whats the command for restarting x?
[10:13] <oem> hi is ther a skype.deb for 7.10 64 bit?
[10:14] <stdin> jon_: logout and choose "Restart X server" from the menu
[10:14] <stdin> oem: 7.10 isn't even out yet, so no
[10:14] <stdin> oem: you'd have to use the feisty deb, if there's a 64bit one
[10:14] <oem> hm.. k thanks
[10:15] <oem> lol i have installed the skype-debian_1.4.0.99-1_i386.deb and its going
[10:15] <oem> yuuhhuu
[10:18] <kyubiii> anyone had a problem with the flash plugin that crashes the browser
[10:18] <stdin> it does it all the time
[10:20] <kyubiii> no one??
[10:21] <emilsedgh> kyubiii: nspluginviewer crashes a lot of time, but it doesnt affect Konqueror for me...)
[10:23] <Biovore> emilsedgh: same effect here on dapper and feisty and gusty
[10:28] <reallyjoel> cant seem to find where to option for switching desktops by pushing mouse cursor to the border is
[10:28] <MetaMorfoziS> reallyjoel > start kcontrol, and wait:)
[10:29] <reallyjoel> =) Im looking through the KControl app, cant find it
[10:29] <pillowpants> so gutsy comes out at the end of oct?
[10:29] <jhutchins> reallyjoel: Right-click and configure the desktop - unless you're in compiz/bery/emerald/whatever.
[10:29] <reallyjoel> Ah...
[10:30] <slow-motion> hallo
[10:30] <reallyjoel> thanks
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> reallyjoel > thats there somewhere...
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> but easyer to find if
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> you right click on a border of a winow
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> settings or properties
[10:30] <MetaMorfoziS> then the 5th icon from top
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> my kde isn't english, i dunno how that in the english kde.
[10:31] <reallyjoel> Now I got it, thanks
[10:31] <MetaMorfoziS> np
[10:32] <reallyjoel> Tried that setting for some days, never actually used it, have hotkeys, and accidentally used it a couple of times, so in the bin with that option! =)
[10:33] <Carlospp> hol necesito ayuda
[10:33] <Carlospp> no puedo entrar al ubuntu
[10:33] <Carlospp> me sale No se puede iniciar servidor x
[10:33] <stdin> !es | Carlospp
[10:33] <ubotu> Carlospp: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[10:33] <Carlospp> ok muchas gracias
[10:35] <zblach_> wow. nothing I do to unlock kpanel works
[10:36] <emilsedgh> zblach_: you tried to run it again?
[10:37] <zblach_> yep
[10:37] <zblach_> killed, edited kickerrc, reran it
[10:37] <zblach_> even pulled the kickerrc file from another macine
[10:37] <zblach_> no dice
[10:47] <jalvesaq> Hi! Some hours ago I've tryied to install Kubuntu 7.10 (amd64 iso from 14 sept). Now, I'm back to my currenty i386 Feisty.
[10:48] <waylandbill> jalvesaq: sounds like it didn't work. :)
[10:48] <jalvesaq> The installation stopped at "configuring hardware"
[10:49] <jalvesaq> Ubiquity title was "Installing language support", or something like that.
[10:50] <jalvesaq> top indicated that ubiquity using CPU at 99%, and I guess that the problem might be related with the following dmesg line:
[10:50] <jalvesaq> PCI: Cannot allocate resource region 0 of device 0000:00:00.0
[10:50] <jalvesaq> When I did "sudo apt-get -f install", the output was:
[10:51] <jalvesaq> Reading package lists... Error!
[10:51] <jalvesaq> E: Unable to write mmap - msync (2 No such file or directory)
[10:51] <jalvesaq> E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened.
[10:51] <emilsedgh> !paste | jalvesaq
[10:51] <ubotu> jalvesaq: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:53] <jalvesaq> Any idea of what might be causing the problem? And how do I use pastebin?
[11:05] <CaBlGuY> sup guys...  where do I find the program files to change the preferences to open a certain type of file?
[11:06] <jalvesaq> It's pretty easy to use pastebin! I pasted the text again + lspci at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37568/
[11:06] <CaBlGuY> anyone??
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> at all??
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> :-/
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> testing, testing, this thing on???
[11:08] <CaBlGuY> :p
[11:09] <stdin> CaBlGuY: in konqueror > settings > configure konqueror > file associations
[11:09] <tsdgeos> CaBlGuY: kcmshell filetypes
[11:09] <mini> bui
[11:09] <CaBlGuY> no no..  all I need to know if where the program files are kept..  that's all..
[11:09] <CaBlGuY> what folder..
[11:09] <CaBlGuY> *is
[11:10] <stdin> CaBlGuY: in ~/.kde/share/config
[11:15] <jalvesaq> Perhaps it's better to ask my question at ubuntu-testing... I'll try there.
[11:19] <zblach> hrm. if I were to replace kpanel, what would I use instead?
[11:21] <emilsedgh> zblach: you tried reinstalling kicker from adept?
[11:21] <zblach> a reinstall through adept?
[11:21] <superbenny> how stable is the KDE4 Beta release?
[11:21] <emilsedgh> superbenny: Beta 2?
[11:21] <Carlospp> estimados amigos no saben que puedo hacer ya que no puedo loggear me salen varias lineas con "-bash: /dev/null: permiso denegado"
[11:21] <superbenny> yes
[11:22] <emilsedgh> superbenny: better than Beta1 :), is that enough?? :P
[11:22] <zblach> shame gutsy comes with compiz and not kde4
[11:23] <superbenny> ha is it stable enough to run a regular computer. like will it cause a lot of issue?
[11:23] <superbenny> s
[11:23] <Carlospp> HELPP I have a problem I cant enter to  ubuntu, and when I log appears a message that says "-bash: /dev/null: acces denied"
[11:23] <emilsedgh> zblach: Gutsy? KDE4? sorry, why gutsy should include kde4?
[11:23] <zblach> i mean, a shame that the release dates do not coincide
[11:23] <stdin> !es | Carlospp
[11:23] <ubotu> Carlospp: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[11:24] <zblach> and a reinstall does nothing
[11:24] <apetrescu> It will probably be backported to optional packages asap.
[11:24] <emilsedgh> superbenny: no, it isnt good for regular usage, man, its Beta...
[11:24] <superbenny> ok thanks
[11:29] <jhutchins> emilsedgh: By which argument compiz should still be alpha and not default.
[11:29] <jhutchins> kde4 is more stable/complete than compiz/beryl.
[11:29] <emilsedgh> jhutchins: no, it isnt, kde4 IS unstable enough to be included in a distro
[11:30] <jhutchins> ?
[11:30] <tsdgeos> i think he meant "not to be included"
[11:31] <jhutchins> kde4 is at least officially beta, compiz doesn't even know what it's project org is.
[11:32] <emilsedgh> tsdgeos: s/unstable/stable, sorry
[11:35] <stdin> emilsedgh: in what universe is KDE4 to be considered stable?
[11:36] <tazgodx> how do i install packages that are held back?
[11:36] <Shadowcat> stdin: debian experimental
[11:36] <Shadowcat> ;)
[11:36] <stdin> tazgodx: use dist-upgrade
[11:36] <tazgodx> i tried that, they are still held back
[11:36] <stdin> Shadowcat: it's not, and not just because it has no launcher  :p
[11:37] <stdin> tazgodx: then try "sudo apt-get install <held-back-package>"
[11:39] <emilsedgh> stdin: well...personally I dont like that KDE comes into gutsy, people will YELL if it just crashes...and then lots of new 'KDE4 is ...' Comments everywhere
[11:39] <stdin> emilsedgh: kde4 is inly in gutsy _if_ you install it, same as in feisty
[11:41] <jhutchins> stdin: kde4 vs compiz
[11:41] <stdin> compiz is needed to "keep up with the Jones's"
[11:43] <arash> will we ever see KDE4 for kubuntu :) ?
[11:43] <jhutchins> Joneses, yeah, i see that, the point is that KDE4 is more stable than compiz.
[11:43] <stdin> jhutchins: not by much, but yeah
[11:44] <stdin> arash: yeah, probably by default in 8.10
[11:44] <arash> stdin: man, that will take like 2 years :p
[11:45] <stdin> arash: like i said, that's when it will be installed by default. there will be packages before that
[11:46] <arash> stdin: heh :), seems neat.
[11:48] <tazgodx> i have a few packages with unmet dependency issues, is there an easy way to upgrade all the dependency issues?
[11:48] <stdin> tazgodx: try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[11:55] <giovani> hmm, I'm having some odd problems with gnome/gtk applications -- gtk themes don't seem to be working
[11:55] <giovani> when I change a gtk theme, all it does is change the colors, all the widgets remain completely blocky, square
[11:55] <giovani> the only theme that seems to alter the widgets is the Qt theme, which, I'm not interested in using
[11:55] <giovani> I should say, gtk2
[11:57] <tsdgeos> giovani: somewhere you have set to use gtk-qt engine, you have to remove it
[11:58] <tsdgeos> i think it is on kcontrol in the style section
[11:58] <giovani> tsdgeos: no ...
[11:58] <tsdgeos> something called "use this style for gtk" or something
[11:58] <giovani> no, that is not set
[11:58] <giovani> I don't see how that would make the widgets blocky -- turning that on actually works fine
[12:02] <prak> is cvs installed with kubuntu?
[12:03] <giovani> prak: not by default, no
[12:03] <giovani> the cvs package provides it
[12:04] <prak> http://www.pastebin.ca/698947, giovani
[12:04] <prak> i'm not sure if i installed it
[12:04] <prak> but basically i can't access any folders
[12:04] <giovani> did you read the error?
[12:05] <giovani> you most definitely have cvs installed, and it's working properly
[12:05] <prak> ok
[12:05] <giovani> the error clearly says "no route to host" -- you need to check your network settings, mainly the default route
[12:06] <prak> how would i check the default route in my network settings?
[12:06] <giovani> with the route command
[12:06] <giovani> there should be a line with "default" under the "Destination" column
[12:06] <giovani> that needs to be set to your gateway/router
[12:07] <giovani> you can change that information manually, but the proper debian/ubuntu method involves writing the /etc/network/interfaces file
[12:07] <giovani> or using one of the graphical network managers
[12:09] <prak> i opened the interfaces file using nano now, giovani
[12:15] <prak> it says "auto ath0"
[12:15] <prak> next line "iface ath0 inet dhcp"
[12:16] <navets> do you guys mind looking at my website and giving me suggestions for improvement; http://navetz.com
[12:18] <apetrescu> Hey, navetz
[12:18] <apetrescu> Are you Tom McDonald's friend? :p
[12:21] <tazgodx> is there a command line to dissable screensaver?
[12:22] <prak> giovani, are you still there?
[12:22] <giovani> prak: yes, I am
[12:23] <prak> on my wireless connection in interfaces file, it says "auto ath0"
[12:24] <prak> "iface ath0 inet dhcp"
[12:24] <giovani> that means it uses dhcp
[12:24] <prak> do i need to change that particular line for the cvs to work on gputils and sdcc servers?
[12:25] <giovani> this is a network issue -- I can't help you troubleshoot network problems
[12:27] <prak> ok