[02:28] <jjesse> just wondering if someone can help me a bzr problem?
[02:33] <jjesse> tryuing to do a commit and getting error on a lock file, but i can't find it
[04:16] <stone-unix> i reported following bug several days ago, but hasn't seen anybody assigned to take care of it, why??i believe it is a minor bug, but really annoying. https://bugs.launchpad.net/rosetta/+bug/138618
[04:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138618 in rosetta "Unexpected form data while saving and continue translation" [High,Confirmed]  
[04:18] <beuno> stone-unix, I believe the developers are currently at the end of a release cycle, so they're focused on what they have to finish that's been asigned already
[04:18] <beuno> be pacient, I'm sure it will get assigned soon
[04:18] <stone-unix> beuno: thanks for answering.
[04:19] <stone-unix> beuno: hope it will be solved soon. we chinese localization team need it to speed up work, to welcome the gibbon
[04:19] <beuno> stone-unix, no problem, I'm heading off now, have a pleasant evening :D
[04:19] <stone-unix> beuno: bye. here is morning in china
[04:20] <beuno> ah, even better, have a great day!
[04:20] <stone-unix> beuno: good dream to u
[05:10] <stdin> does anyone know what's up with promethium (xen-amd64), or rather it's clock. http://tinyurl.com/ypa6e6 ./configure fails with "configure: error: newly created file is older than distributed files!" and tar gives messages like "tar: tomorse-0.9.1/ChangeLog: time stamp 2007-09-15 00:57:31 is 11659 s in the future" ?
[05:11] <stdin> (this only ever happens on promethium too)
[09:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139745 in launchpad-answers "my sound is not working properly" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139745
[01:54] <_nand_> hi!
[01:55] <_nand_> I'm currently drafting a launchpad related blueprint and i would really appreciate some comments :)
[01:56] <_nand_> It is basically describing a way to improve wishes submission and to better assess their importance
[01:56] <_nand_> based on the dell ideastorm model idea
[01:57] <_nand_> and using the launchpad framework
[01:57] <_nand_> here it is :)
[01:57] <_nand_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/better-community-wishes-assessment
[01:57] <_nand_> any comments, especially for implementation considerations, are welcome :)
[01:58] <_nand_> thanks!
[02:58] <sits> hi there
[02:58] <sits> I think someone doesn't know how to unsubscribe themselves from a bug
[02:58] <sits> is there anyone here who can unsubscribe them?
[02:58] <sits> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+bug/130325 ?
[02:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]  
[02:59] <Hobbsee> only they can, iirc.
[02:59] <sits> I'm sure I've seen someone else do it after the user became angry
[03:00] <Hobbsee> oh, and he's missing a space.
[03:00] <sits> (of course I don't know if the user would correctly unsubscribe themselves if told how to)
[03:00] <sits> Hobbsee: a space?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> he's using the email interface.
[03:00] <Hobbsee> i think
[03:00] <Hobbsee> in which case you need to use " unsubscribe"
[03:01] <Hobbsee> (all documented in UsingMaloneEmailInterface
[03:01] <Hobbsee> )
[03:01] <sits> oh
[03:03] <Hobbsee> i dobut you'll find an admin here on a saturday either
[03:03] <Hobbsee> but, feel free to write about the space first in the bug report, and/or telling them how to do it via the UI
[03:08] <sits> Hobbsee: fair enough. Thanks!
[03:53] <laga> hi
[03:53] <laga> one of my ppa builds is in status: "dependency wait"
[03:54] <laga> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu-trunk/+archive/+build/394267
[03:54] <laga> will it be retried once that dependency is available?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> i think you can tell it to retry
[03:58] <laga> i know i can tell it to retry, but the whole point is that it should do that automagically. at least that was suggested on launchpad-users
[03:58] <laga> hum
[04:00] <Hobbsee> it does in the ubuntu archive, but i dont think tehyy want to do that yet for ppa
[04:00] <laga> ooh :/
[04:01] <Hobbsee> (due to potential for abuse)
[04:01] <laga> that'd make the ppas very limited. i'll check back tonight, if status hasnt changed by then i'll file a bug
[04:01] <laga> Hobbsee: what abuse?
[04:01] <Hobbsee> as in, if someone never fixes their package, and it keeps getting requed.
[04:01] <Hobbsee> er, requeued
[04:02] <laga> then remove it after a few days.
[04:02] <laga> morning superm1 
[04:02] <superm1> mrongin laga 
[04:02] <superm1> or morning even
[04:03] <laga> Hobbsee: that'd make ppas useless for people who build packages where the api changes often. 
[04:03] <laga> oh well, i shouldn't complain to you probably. i'll get a bug filed later.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> laga: if you manually requeue, not really.  or just make sure you upload in the correct order
[04:04] <laga> Hobbsee: even if i upload in the right order, it'll build against an old version because it takes time for the new version to publish.
[04:05] <Hobbsee> true
[04:05] <Hobbsee> i'd suggest just hitting manually requeue, really.  i suspect they're just waiting to see how it goes
[04:05] <Hobbsee> seeing as plenty of people upload stuff that doesnt build
[04:07] <laga> requeuing manually is not an option. we're using the ppa for weekly builds and i really don't want to baby-sit it all the time
[04:08] <Hobbsee> ah
[04:08] <laga> which is why i'll raise a bug for this if it's not requeued automatically later
[04:08] <Hobbsee> well, speak to cprov when he's around
[04:08] <laga> Hobbsee: thanks for your time
[04:08] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:51] <ianm1> hi, I'm new to launchpad and bazaar, anyone have some time to help me make a new branch of my project?
[05:51] <ianm1> I have this https://launchpad.net/luz
[06:02] <ianm1> it seems the automatic SVN import is failing, not sure why
[07:18] <gnomefreak> ianm1: i had issues with bzr branch from svn gives trace back, is that what you mean?
[07:19] <ianm1> gnomefreak: the only problem is I don't know how to use bzr with launchpad.  the svn import is not a big deal as I'm planning on abandon the SVN once I'm using bzr
[07:20] <gnomefreak> ianm1: are you trying to make a branch or grab a branch?
[07:21] <gnomefreak> ianm1: bzr push --create-prefix sftp://gnomefreak@bazaar.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/firefox/trunk
[07:21] <gnomefreak> that is an example
[07:21] <gnomefreak> if the project isnt registered you would have to start there
[07:21] <ianm1> gnomefreak: I've been using SVN, and I'd like to use launchpad bzr exclusively now.  so I *think* what I want to do is branch the "trunk" that was imported automatically, and maybe set it to the "development focus"
[07:22] <ianm1> it is registered https://launchpad.net/luz/
[07:22] <ianm1> I think I have to branch it via the command line, then register that branch in the web interface..?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> ianm1: not you the project like where mine says firefox
[07:23] <ianm1> that is a project
[07:23] <gnomefreak> ah
[07:24] <gnomefreak> ianm1: than from inside you top llevel dir. or debian dir just use the command i gave above but use your LP name and the name of project and ~yourLPnick/project/whatever you want it callled
[07:26] <ianm1> do I need to do a full checkout of the existing bzr branch first?
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ianm1: it helps
[07:26] <gnomefreak> ianm1: you can push whatever you have
[07:26] <gnomefreak> for the most part
[07:34] <ianm1> gnomefreak: so does this look right?  "bzr push --create-prefix sftp://ian-mcintosh@bazaar.launchpad.net/ian-mcintosh/luz/trunk" 
[07:34] <ianm1> then I'll have my own branch called "trunk" ?
[07:34] <ianm1> why "push --create-prefix" and not "branch"?
[07:43] <ianm1> gnomefreak: does this look right?  bzr checkout sftp://ian-mcintosh@bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk luz
[07:44] <gnomefreak> no
[07:45] <gnomefreak> ianm1: where you have ~vcs-imports that should be your LP ID
[07:45] <gnomefreak> luz should be vcs-imports if that is the name of the package
[07:45] <gnomefreak> and leave off last luz
[07:45] <ianm1> boy this is confusing
[07:45] <ianm1> luz is the project
[07:46] <radix> it's /~person-or-team/project/branch-name
[07:46] <ianm1> I'm just trying to checkout the version that vcs-imports imported from svn
[07:46] <ianm1> then I'm going to branch that to make my own "official" trunk
[07:47] <radix> the branch URL should be shown in launchpad
[07:47] <ianm1> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk
[07:47] <gnomefreak> yes
[07:47] <gnomefreak> with stfp though
[07:47] <gnomefreak> well now really
[07:47] <radix> you don't need to branch it with sftp
[07:47] <radix> just 'bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/luz/trunk'
[07:47] <gnomefreak> radix: stfp
[07:48] <radix> need I repeat myself?
[07:48] <gnomefreak> atleast that is how you would push
[07:48] <gnomefreak> radix: hes pushing not grabbing
[07:48] <ianm1> first I'm grabbing
[07:48] <radix> ok, so grab it from there
[07:48] <gnomefreak> ianm1: you are not getting it from bzr though
[07:48] <gnomefreak> are you?
[07:48] <radix> then push it to your *own* area, not vcs-import
[07:48] <gnomefreak> or svn
[07:48] <ianm1> I think I am?!
[07:49] <ianm1> I am grabbing it from bzr, then pushing it to my own space in bzr
[07:49] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[07:49] <radix> ianm1: ok, then what I said should work
[07:49] <ianm1> radix's command worked, it is Fetching phase 1/4 now
[07:49] <gnomefreak> than you push with --create-prefix :)
[07:49] <ianm1> so this is creating a "local branch" right?
[07:50] <ianm1> but nothing new on the server?
[07:50] <radix> ianm1: to recap, bzr branch <http-url>; <hack>; bzr push sftp://bazaar.launchpad.net/~<your-username-or-team>/luz/<branch-name>
[07:50] <gnomefreak> ianm1: yes on your FS
[07:50] <radix> ianm1: right, the branch command is only reading from the server, not writing anything there
[07:50] <spiv> gnomefreak: you don't need --create-prefix when pushing to bazaar.launchpad.net
[07:50] <gnomefreak> spiv: i do :(
[07:51] <gnomefreak> it never lets mecreate branch without it
[07:51] <ianm1> ok thanks a lot guys!
[07:51] <gnomefreak> me create
[07:52] <spiv> gnomefreak: could you file a bug about that?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> spiv: next one i do?
[07:52] <gnomefreak> should be soon if i can get bzr-svn to work
[07:52] <spiv> gnomefreak: bazaar.launchpad.net has smarts to make --create-prefix unnecessary.  That's been the case for about a year now I think.
[07:53] <ianm1> radix: so after the "bzr push" I can do a SVN-like process of hack/commit in that directory?
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: hack/commit/push
[07:53] <ianm1> what is the extra push for?
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: commit modifies the branch, which only does changes locally (unless the branch is a checkout)
[07:53] <spiv> gnomefreak: yes, next time you push a new branch, please try without --create-prefix.  If you do need --create-prefix, please file a bug with the details.
[07:53] <ianm1> ah ok
[07:53] <gnomefreak> spiv: you got it
[07:53] <radix> ianm1: so "hack; commit; hack; commit; hack; commit; push" is generally the workflow
[07:54] <spiv> gnomefreak: thanks!
[07:54] <gnomefreak> spiv: np i might look into bzr-svn as well monday so atleast i can get that to work
[07:56] <ianm1> radix: so after this 'branch' finishes and I 'push' to my own space the directory will then be associated with that branch?
[07:56] <radix> ianm1: well, the first time you pass a URL to "push" for a given branch, it remembers the URL, so you can just "bzr push" with no extra arguments and it'll be pushed to the same place
[07:56] <spiv> ianm1: "push" creates or updates branch from the local one.
[07:57] <ianm1> radix: great.  ok it's done 'branch'ing, I'll give it a try
[07:58] <spiv> ianm1: if you want commits to automatically be made to a remote branch, you can make a checkout locally rather than a branch.  (I find I usually want full branches everywhere though.)
[07:58] <ianm1> a full branch seems better since I spend a lot of time offline
[07:58] <spiv> Well, you can work with checkouts offline, even make "local" commits to them.
[07:58] <spiv> (bzr commit --local ...)
[08:00] <spiv> But then you need to use "bzr update" to resynchronise your local checkout with the remote one when you get back online.  So if you're going to be offline a lot it may be simpler to just always use independent branches rather than checkouts.
[08:00] <ianm1> so as far as naming my branch goes, is it normal to have a personal "trunk" ?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> ianm1: yes
[08:00] <gnomefreak> ianm1: i have 6 or so
[08:00] <ianm1> 6 trunks?
[08:00] <gnomefreak> well personal and team
[08:00] <gnomefreak> yes
[08:00] <spiv> Branch naming really depends a lot on your preferred workflow.
[08:00] <ianm1> you mean each team has one and you have one?
[08:01] <ianm1> ok but I have no preferred bzr workflow yet.. :)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> firefox, iceape, sunbird, firefox-trunk firefox-gp and so on
[08:01] <spiv> ianm1: right, it's catch-22 ;)
[08:01] <gnomefreak> some might be named ubuntu-version
[08:02] <spiv> ianm1: I suggest just starting with a simple scheme, maybe "trunk" and "personal", until you get a feel for it.
[08:03] <ianm1> g'night
[12:45] <ubotu> New bug: #139855 in soyuz "[feature-request]  Display stats about PPA usage" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139855