[01:26] <sam1338> any kde users of compiz-fusion here?
[01:53] <VousDeux> hello: I'm trying to install updates on Tribal 5, but it keeps saying it needs to restart services for pam (or something like that), and then it kicks me out of the GUI and sits idle on a screen that says "Starting K Display Manager: kdm" at the top.
[01:53] <VousDeux> is there some way to get back to the GUI from here?
[01:57] <jimmygoon> Anyone have any experience with syncmaster LCD/s?
[01:57] <jimmygoon> I've got the ubuntu+1 live disc running on it, and it looks terrrible :(
[01:58] <jtt> VousDeux, just so you dont think you are being ignored, I cant help you
[01:58] <VousDeux> thanks :)
[01:59] <jtt> VousDeux, however, it sounds like your xconfig is somewhat messed up
[01:59] <jtt> VousDeux, or an X update messed up things on you
[02:00] <VousDeux> hmmm...everything seems to be just dandy until the updater gets to this point, I can't seem to skip it or anything
[02:00] <VousDeux> all I can do is reboot
[02:00] <jtt> VousDeux, and you dont have an X window
[02:00] <d4rkmonkey> how can I check my version of Wine?
[02:01] <d4rkmonkey> nvm, just found out.
[02:01] <VousDeux> no, the X window disappears after I click OK on the notice about pam needing to restart services
[02:01] <jtt> VousDeux, reboot into single user and run kdm and see if it comes up
[02:02] <jtt> VousDeux, that way u know if X is messed up
[02:03] <VousDeux> can you talk me through that?
[02:04] <jtt> VousDeux, sure when the boot menu appears select the recovery mode and it will bring you into single user mode
[02:04] <omha> hey
[02:05] <omha> anybody experience a unstable usb subsystem?
[02:05] <jtt> VousDeux, also if you select the normal boot line and then press F6 and then remove the splash and quite words and replace them with single you will boot into singule user mode
[02:06] <jtt> VousDeux, replace splash and quiet with the one word 'single'  no quotes
[02:06] <VousDeux> OK, I'm at the prompt
[02:07] <VousDeux> do I just type kdm now?
[02:07] <jtt> VousDeux, yes
[02:08] <VousDeux> OK, it put me back at the GUI logon prompt
[02:08] <jtt> VousDeux, ok login and see if it works
[02:11] <VousDeux> Now it tells me that another process is using the packaging system database. When I click "Yes," to attempt to resolve, the Adept Updater crashes.
[02:12] <VousDeux> I clicked 'No' instead, it looks like it's trying to work now...maybe
[02:12] <VousDeux> OK, I think I lost my wifi...this is what happened yesterday too. Both the wifi and bluetooth stopped working.
[02:13] <VousDeux> I'm going to reboot again to see if my wireless stuff comes back
[02:13] <jtt> VousDeux, the only way i know to fix the database is to  execute  apt-get -f install
[02:14] <VousDeux> OK, I may have to try that too.
[02:18] <omha> VousDeux, does you have a use wifi card?
[02:19] <CaBlGuY> so, whats the major updates on Gutsy from fiesty?
[02:20] <VousDeux> I got the network running...
[02:21] <VousDeux> when I tried apt-get -f install it told me to run dpkg --configure -a
[02:22] <VousDeux> when I ran that it did basically the same thing as before except the PAM message was in the console session, and the screen just went completely blank after flashing the screen I described before
[02:22] <jtt> VousDeux, that fine do it first
[02:22] <CaBlGuY> ?
[02:22] <VousDeux> before, when I was on that screen I could toggle through other tty screens, this time it's just dead
[02:23] <jtt> VousDeux, well i am out of my league at this point u need a better X person
[02:23] <VousDeux> I appreciate your effort
[02:23] <VousDeux> it very well could be related to the fact that I am running an unsupported video device with a VESA generic driver
[02:24] <martijn81>  tribe6 isn't released yet, will it still be released or is beta the first to apear?
[02:24] <jtt> VousDeux, that is the very reason i dont do upgrades i cant have problems as this is my work machine that I need every day i only upgrade if it is absolutely necessary :)
[02:24] <VousDeux> perhaps if I turn the screen resolution down to 1024x768 or something
[02:24] <VousDeux> well, this isn't a production machine yet...so I have time to be patient :)
[02:25] <jtt> martijn81, tribe6 will only be a bug fix
[02:25] <VousDeux> I expected to have problems when I bought it, just trying to see how many of them I can work through
[02:25] <CaBlGuY> so, whats the major upgrades??
[02:25] <VousDeux> the hardware is very new
[02:26] <martijn81> jtt: so no tribe6 for now and i have to wait for the beta?
[02:27] <jtt> martijn81, as i understand it there will be no more betas as such, only tribe6 as bug fix (what ever that means) and then the full release on 10.18.07
[02:27] <VousDeux> it looks like the GUI is running on tty7, the screen I got stuck on the first time is tty8
[02:28] <CaBlGuY> so, no one knows what major upgrades are gonna be in the final release??  from fiesty?
[02:28] <VousDeux> I'll bet there is a webpage somewhere that answers that question CaBlGuY
[02:28] <nickrud> CaBlGuY: the major upgrades are already in place, they're making them work right now ;)
[02:28] <VousDeux> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html might have some answers
[02:29] <CaBlGuY> thanks---
[02:29] <jtt> afief, you still around?
[02:30] <VousDeux> rats...changing resolution messed up...I'm gonna have to go back and reconfigure it again from the console
[02:30] <d4rkmonkey> Anyone know when gutsy artwork is gonna be finished or whatever?
[02:31] <jtt> VousDeux, before you   change anything in X make a copy of  /etc/X11/xorg.conf so you can move it back in and do a CNTL ALT Backspace and restart with a (hopebfully) good xorg.conf file
[02:32] <jtt> d4rkmonkey, i think everything is done they are just fixing bugs:)
[02:32] <d4rkmonkey> jtt nah, artwork is still same as feistys I think...
[02:35] <jtt> if anyone is interested it appears that Kubuntu and Ubuntu Dailys have a broken Install section, they will not finish scanning the hardrives and freeze after that or at least ignore any keyboard input and you have to abort the installation
[02:35] <_lemsx1_> jtt: ouch. thx
[02:36] <jtt> _lemsx1_, at least neither of them would work for me and an earlier daily works fine
[02:37] <_lemsx1_> jtt: i was thinking to give tribe-6 a try. but i'll save my bandwith for 7
[02:38] <VousDeux> hehe, I wish I had read your last comment before I did it
[02:39] <jtt> VousDeux, that should be the default warning in all X configs
[02:40] <jtt> VousDeux, you should not be able to change x config w/o a forced file save period.!!!
[02:40] <VousDeux> hey, thanks for the heads-up...I've gotta learn somehow :)
[02:40] <jtt> VousDeux, anytime
[02:40] <VousDeux> I have it back up at 1024x768
[02:41] <martijn81> jtt: reading in the mailing-list, there tribe6 was a milestone only :)
[02:42] <jtt> VousDeux, good for you glad you did it
[02:42] <VousDeux> I think I may have gotten past the problem...
[02:43] <VousDeux> after changing the resolution to 1024x768, I went to tty6 and ran dpkg --configure -a
[02:43] <jtt> martijn81, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[02:43] <VousDeux> shoot...forgot to reconnect wifi again
[02:44] <VousDeux> sIww1c$m
[02:44] <VousDeux> wrong freakin keyboard...
[02:44] <martijn81> jtt: yeah, next release 27 september
[02:45] <d4rkmonkey> ahhh the final artwork deadline is sept 20th...
[02:45] <VousDeux> good thing I don't use that password for anything freakin' thing else
[02:47] <Skyfalcon866> what kernel does gusty use
[02:47] <d4rkmonkey> Skyfalcon866 currently its...
[02:47] <amr> hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty????!!!!! please help??????
[02:47] <d4rkmonkey> 2.6.22-11-generic on my machine
[02:47] <Skyfalcon866> why doesnt fiesty use that kernel
[02:48] <d4rkmonkey> Skyfalcon866 because it doesn't. Because its not gutsy. Why would feisty use the same kernel as the next release?
[02:48] <VousDeux> looks like 2.6.22.11-generic is what is being used on my x86-64
[02:48] <Skyfalcon866> fiesty uses 2.6.20 so that means it is out of date
[02:49] <omha> :O
[02:49] <omha> Skyfalcon866, and gutsy's kernel will be out of date by the end of the month
[02:50] <Skyfalcon866> so why dont they update it'
[02:50] <omha> they want a stable distro?
[02:50] <omha> and they have a deadline?
[02:50] <VousDeux> these things take time
[02:51] <Skyfalcon866> i compiled 2.6.22 on my fiesty and edgy box
[02:51] <VousDeux> sure, but did you fully test it for compatibility with everything that anyone may need?
[02:52] <Skyfalcon866> yes and everything works
[02:52] <VousDeux> on your hardware
[02:52] <Skyfalcon866> yes my computer is 7 years old
[02:52] <VousDeux> so, supporting that isn't much of a challenge
[02:54] <VousDeux> If Ununtu jumped tracks everytime a new kernel came out, we never would have a stable release
[02:54] <hydrogen> not to mention
[02:55] <hydrogen> that there is generally no need to upgrade to a newer kernel
[02:55] <amr>  hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty????!!!!! please help??????
[02:55] <VousDeux> stable doesn't just mean that it can run on average hardware without crashing...it means that it has been fully tested on all of the hardware listed on the compatibility list
[02:56] <Skyfalcon866> is ext4 in gusty
[02:56] <amr> gusty is more stable for my machine than feisty
[02:57] <amr>  hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty????!!!!! please help??????
[02:57] <hydrogen> no????????!!!?!?!?!?!one!1
[02:57] <VousDeux> Yes, Gutsy seems to have much better support for my hardware too, but not everything yet
[02:58] <VousDeux> I should have said 'so far'
[02:59] <VousDeux> I haven't even quite figured out how to verify all of my hardware yet :)
[02:59] <VousDeux> hey, the wifi works now...that's all I know
[02:59] <VousDeux> my wifi didn't work on Feisty
[02:59] <VousDeux> and I know the video isn't working even close to right
[03:00] <VousDeux> I tried to run lmbench, but couldn't figure out how to start it after I configured it
[03:03] <_lemsx1_> amr: apt-get install mpg123 ?
[03:04] <VousDeux> man, that's annoying...when I try to use the Test button to test video settings, I end up rebooting because it doesn't return from the test mode
[03:05] <VousDeux> oh, hey...I got it back by switching to tty8, and then back to tty7
[03:06] <] [AnThOnY] [> hi!
[03:06] <] [AnThOnY] [> where download beta 7.10?
[03:07] <Eltornado> hello everyone
[03:08] <VousDeux> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/gutsy/tribe-5/
[03:08] <] [AnThOnY] [> Eltornado spanish?
[03:09] <Eltornado> ] [AnThOnY] [:  no arab
[03:10] <_lemsx1_> ] [AnThOnY] [: did you try #ubuntu-es ? i'm not sure if other languages are allowed here
[03:10] <] [AnThOnY] [> ok thanks brothers
[03:11] <_lemsx1_> ] [AnThOnY] [: you can send me a PM (mensaje privado)
[03:15] <amr>  hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty????!!!!! please help??????
[03:15] <amr> _lemsx1_ , i did but still not working
[03:17] <don_pucci> hi all
[03:17] <don_pucci> how do i update to gutsy
[03:17] <don_pucci> via command line
[03:17] <amr> amr@GOGO:~$ sudo apt-get install mpg123
[03:17] <amr> [sudo]  password for amr:
[03:17] <amr> Reading package lists... Done
[03:17] <amr> Building dependency tree
[03:17] <amr> Reading state information... Done
[03:17] <amr> mpg123 is already the newest version.
[03:18] <amr> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:18] <amr> amr@GOGO:~$
[03:18] <don_pucci> update-manager -c -d doesnt see it
[03:19] <amr> amr@GOGO:~$ sudo apt-get install mpg123
[03:19] <amr> [sudo]  password for amr:
[03:19] <amr> Reading package lists... Done
[03:19] <amr> Building dependency tree
[03:19] <amr> Reading state information... Done
[03:19] <amr> mpg123 is already the newest version.
[03:19] <amr> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[03:19] <amr> amr@GOGO:~$
[03:19] <amr>  hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty
[03:20] <amr>  hallo, how to enable mp3 preview in nautilus of gusty
[03:20] <_lemsx1_> amr: chill bro
[03:20] <_lemsx1_> amr: take it easy
[03:20] <don_pucci> lol
[03:20] <_lemsx1_> amr: i'm on gutsy. let me see if my mp3 preview works
[03:20] <amr> hi _lemsx1_
[03:20] <amr> ok
[03:21] <_lemsx1_> amr: you are right. it doesn't work. just use AmaroK for now
[03:21] <don_pucci> im having issues with freezing during user logoff...and it is fixed in gutsy...so i would like to upgrade and try
[03:21] <don_pucci> not sure how to do this via command line
[03:22] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: copy /etc/apt/sources.list to /etc/apt/sources.list.d/gutsy.list
[03:22] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: and then open that file with your favorite text editor and substitute feisty->gutsy
[03:22] <amr> _lemsx1_ , i use banshee but i liked nautilus mp3 preview
[03:22] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: s/feisty/gutsy/g
[03:22] <amr> is this a bug
[03:22] <amr> ?
[03:22] <don_pucci> for every instance of fesisty?
[03:22] <_lemsx1_> amr: well, Gutsy is beta now
[03:22] <don_pucci> err...feisty
[03:23] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: yes sir
[03:23] <don_pucci> thank u very much
[03:23] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[03:23] <_lemsx1_> don_pucci: and go get some tea or something
[03:23] <don_pucci> lol
[03:23] <amr> _lemsx1_ , i think it's not gusty rather a nautilus bug
[03:23] <_lemsx1_> amr: there are a lot of things that doesn't work on Nautilus right now
[03:23] <amr> should it be reported to gnome.org or ubuntu.com
[03:24] <_lemsx1_> amr: Gutsy is not "out" yet. go to launchpad.net and see if it was already reported
[03:25] <amr> _lemsx1_ , I use gusty because feisty did have issues that was fixed in gusty
[03:25] <amr>  _lemsx1_ , I like it more
[03:25] <_lemsx1_> amr: and now you get more issues unresolved... that's the story of free software my friend
[03:25] <_lemsx1_> amr: go back to Feisty and fix the other issues there
[03:25] <_lemsx1_> amr: or wait for the next version of Ubuntu (after Gutsy)
[03:25] <_lemsx1_> amr: that will be rock solid ;-)
[03:26] <_lemsx1_> amr: (like Dapper is)
[03:26] <orangey> hey all!
[03:26] <amr> every one thinks different , that what makes me love linux
[03:26] <_lemsx1_> amr: indeed
[03:26] <_lemsx1_> amr: but, things just keep breaking. it's fine if you have a lot of time. but if you don't, it's a bitch
[03:26] <orangey> I would like to upgrade edgy to gutsy. Can I do it with apt-get? or must I re-install?
[03:27] <amr> I am gonna stick with it now , because i like solving issues ;)
[03:27] <_lemsx1_> amr: that's why you leave your production stuff in Dapper. and play around at home with Gutsy ;-)
[03:27] <_lemsx1_> orangey: you can do that. but it's recommended to take the long route ;-) check the wiki there are plenty of articles about that
[03:27] <don_pucci> bbl...hopefully with gutsy
[03:27] <amr> i am a student , don't mind a bout stability , not using it in productive environment ;)
[03:28] <_lemsx1_> orangey: by long route i mean edgy->feisty->...
[03:28] <orangey> _lemsx1_: You mean -> feisty.
[03:28] <orangey> ah. OK, thank you
[03:28] <VousDeux> I tried upgrading from Feisty to Gutsy with apt-get, but it said there were no updates...I'm guessing maybe that's because Gutsy isn't official yet
[03:28] <orangey> I think I may as well wipe the drive, then. It's an essentially empty computer.
[03:29] <VousDeux> not a big deal for me though...brand new hardware
[03:29] <_lemsx1_> VousDeux: somebody just said that...
[03:29] <_lemsx1_> VousDeux: you might want to wait until Gutsy is out, unless you don't mind helping fix things
[03:29] <don_pucci> gutsy not out until mid oct
[03:29] <don_pucci> i am updating now
[03:29] <don_pucci> just testing
[03:29] <_lemsx1_> orangey: wiping out the drive is always better
[03:29] <don_pucci> bbl
[03:29] <VousDeux> somebody just said what?
[03:30] <orangey> _lemsx1_: will do.
[04:05] <SpudDogg> Anyone know if there's a way to fix the smileys in Pidgin?  When talking to someone on a different client (AIM, etc) some icons show up differently or not at all.  For example, one of them looks like '&amp<bunchorcharacters>' instead of the female lips smiley
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> 0.o
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> female lips..
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> that could merit a
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> !oh my
[04:06] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about oh my - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> !ohmy
[04:06] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:06] <nosrednaekim> :)
[04:07] <SpudDogg> nosrednaekim: you never talk to your better half on messengers? ;)
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> better half?
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> haven't met one yet ;)
[04:07] <SpudDogg> i dont know if you're single or conceited, lol
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> they could be related ;)
[04:08] <nosrednaekim> and i'm both.
[04:12] <SpudDogg> the ati 8.41 driver is really nice...i get 78825 frames in 5.0 seconds = 15764.871 FPS in glxgears, yes, i know, it's not a benchmark, but it is consistently higher than with ATI 8.40
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> yeah... I tried it on my integrated Xpress1100
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> glx gears crashes the computer..
[04:12] <SpudDogg> any idea why?
[04:12] <nosrednaekim> but XGL is NOTICABLY faster.
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> never bothered...
[04:13] <nosrednaekim> how did you install?
[04:14] <SpudDogg> followed how-to, but command-line
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> I installed from .run because the debs meesed up in fiesty.
[04:15] <SpudDogg> yea, i got the .run and a whole bunch of other crap i dont remember, lol.  the only bad thing is with the composite extension disabled, i cant run desktop effects at all L(
[04:15] <SpudDogg> :(
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> XGL...
[04:15] <SpudDogg> what is that?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> its something you have to run with the ATI drivers to get compiz/beryl
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> !XGL
[04:15] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[04:16] <SpudDogg> ahh, so i should be able to run compiz with my xorg.conf as-is?
[04:16] <SpudDogg> will try it...thanks!
[04:16] <nosrednaekim> yeah...
[04:18] <SpudDogg> how do i tell if i already have xgl or aiglx running?
[04:20] <_lemsx1_> SpudDogg: ps ax | grep -i xgl
[04:20] <_lemsx1_> SpudDogg: xgl is a separate daemon
[04:20] <SpudDogg> _lemsx1_: i get this '20103 pts/0    R+     0:00 grep -i xgl'
[04:27] <SpudDogg> man, xgl runs soooo nice on this computer.
[04:31] <spuddogg_> ok, i have a question now.  i've installed xgl and have it running.  however, now the ati driver is not being used.  how do i reinstall that driver with xgl?
[04:52] <VousDeux> how would I go about finding out if I can get a driver for hardware in my machine that is not working?
[04:53] <VousDeux> I went to launchpad, but when I click on Ubuntu Drivers it takes me to a page that says I have to join a team, but the team says it is restricted
[04:54] <andre_pl> is the output hotplugging supposed to be working in gutsy right now? because it doesn't appear to be for me and my Geforce GO 7600 Laptop w/ TV Out
[04:55] <SpudDogg> man, i almost hosed my X trying to install xgl...glad i backed everything up
[05:06] <VousDeux> haha, I had to use the mixer to turn the volume up...sheesh
[05:06] <VousDeux> now if I could just figure out how to add audio decoders
[05:11] <andre_pl> how can I customize the desktop effects? doesn't it come with the compiz config manager?
[05:13] <Pici> andre_pl: compizconfig-settings manager was renamed to Advanced Destktop Effects Settings in the latest update.
[05:14] <andre_pl> Pici: I JUST installed from the last ISO Release and its doing some updates now, so I'm  not sure which one I would have atm, but i dont see either in any of the menus.
[05:14] <Pici> andre_pl: You may need to install the package manually.
[05:14] <andre_pl> ok
[05:16] <andre_pl> this release looks excellent, Im really impressed so far.
[05:47] <Assid> heya
[06:06] <osmosis> im getting  libc6-xen   tls  errors that I wasnt getting on feisty.
[06:41] <doug__> hi
[06:42] <doug__> how stable is this one?
[06:42] <doug__> how stable is gutsy vrsus feisty
[06:45] <Lynoure> MN?
[06:46] <Tm_T> Lynoure: yup, thats the one, with red three
[06:48] <Lynoure> What's MN? other than midnight?
[06:48] <Lynoure> NM (new maintainer) I'd know...
[06:52] <deobfuscate> Anyone know how to change the browish color after logging in
[06:52] <deobfuscate> I changed the login screen and wallpaper but there is still a brown color before the wallpaper loads
[07:03] <SeveredCross> Anyone else have Firefox go nuts on them recently?
[07:03] <SeveredCross> My profile is entirely gone...
[07:03] <SeveredCross> It's there on the harddisk physically.
[07:03] <SeveredCross> But it doesn't work for shit.
[07:10] <cps1966> ! nvidia
[07:10] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[07:12] <SeveredCross> Okay, Firefox is definitely borked.
[08:00] <c1|freaky> if i reported a bug for kernel 2.6.20 on feisty, i upgraded to gutsy now theres 2.6.22 - the bug is about cpu frequency scaling which doesnt work - and i now want to report that this is still not working, can i just post a comment under the bug for 2.6.20 ? or should i file a new bugreport?
[08:16] <tanath> help: http://pastebin.ca/698297
[08:17] <stdin> c1|freaky: have you tried "sudo modprobe p4-clockmod" ?
[08:18] <c1|freaky> now it's even 600 instead of 800Mhz :\
[08:19] <stdin> c1|freaky: it should let you scale it now tho
[08:19] <c1|freaky> can i remove the mod?
[08:19] <c1|freaky> how to scale it?
[08:19] <c1|freaky> i cant constantly let it run at 2Ghz it'd become too hot
[08:19] <stdin> c1|freaky: is there some power applet in gnome that does it? like a battery indicator?
[08:19] <c1|freaky> im on kubuntu
[08:20] <tanath> a package is causing me problems. it won't completely install, and won't uninstall for the same reason
[08:20] <stdin> ahh, even better
[08:20] <stdin> c1|freaky: you probably have to quit it then restart it, that's what I did
[08:20] <c1|freaky> what should i restart?
[08:20] <c1|freaky> i just restartet powernowd
[08:21] <stdin> c1|freaky: the little battery monitor app
[08:21] <c1|freaky> do i need to add p4-clockmod to the modules file?
[08:21] <c1|freaky> ok whats it called?
[08:21] <stdin> /etc/modules
[08:21] <c1|freaky> it says "power manager"
[08:21] <c1|freaky> but now everything is really slow
[08:21] <tanath> and i can't upgrade other packages either now
[08:21] <c1|freaky> 200mhz less even textoutput choppy
[08:22] <stdin> my cpu "model name      : Intel(R) Celeron(R) M CPU        430  @ 1.73GHz" and that modules lets me scale
[08:23] <c1|freaky> ok ill restart my pc now maybe it works
[08:23] <c1|freaky> brb
[08:23] <tanath> anyone know how i can get rid of this package?
[08:28] <c1|freaky> not working it now displays cpu policy in that menu of that battery app thing, but it still runs at 600Mhz even i selected "performance"
[08:28] <tanath> everything i try fails to get rid of this package. can anyone help? http://pastebin.ca/698297
[08:29] <tanath> it's now preventing me from upgrading
[08:30] <tanath> nvm. was using aptitude. works with apt-get. still can't get rid of it though
[08:40] <arooni__> help folks!  i can't play back .mp4 video files...... vlc crashes, movie player crashes..... any ideas?
[08:45] <bdgraue> why does strigidaemon eats 80% and more of my cpu?
[08:57] <martalli> Im running gutsy kubuntu, an int he last day or so, it seems to have lost the ability to automount cds and flash drives
[08:57] <martalli> it recognizes them, with icons ont he desktop, but no access through doplhin or the cli
[10:01] <mewt> 'gd mornin
[10:01] <jussi01> morning
[11:14] <se7en^Of^9> can someone paste me the contence of /etc/inetd.conf
[11:46] <mrtimdog> Hi, I've got a bit of a network manager problem...
[11:47] <mrtimdog> I have some tap interfaces setup (tap0, tap1, etc...) and together with eth0, bridged under br0.
[11:47] <mrtimdog> Ok, all works fine.
[11:48] <mrtimdog> I also want to use vpnc via Network Manager.
[11:49] <mrtimdog> The problem is the Network Manager doesn't allow VPN connections when it doesn't know of an active interface. And as far as it knows eth0 in not active (it has no IP), and so doesn't allow VPN connections.
[11:49] <mrtimdog> Anyone any ideas?
[11:59] <etnoy> I'm having strange audio issues
[11:59] <etnoy> on my thinkpad, the sound locks up from time to time requiring a reboot to fix it
[12:00] <etnoy> while stracing I find that programs always hang around the time they acess /dev/snd/controlC0
[12:00] <etnoy> I have tried quitting all programs that use sound,
[12:00] <etnoy> removing the sound modules and re-inserting, restarting alsa etc. but nothing does it
[12:01] <etnoy> and all flash apps make firefox "hang" for a few seconds every time a flash app wants to play a song
[12:01] <etnoy> the programs that want to use audio just hang there indefinitely
[12:05] <aantipop> does glxgears still causes x to crash if compiz is enabled ?
[12:07] <mrtimdog> aantipop: doh, that'll be a yes then!! :)
[12:08] <aantipop> i didnt try yet ;)
[12:08] <aantipop> ah ill try
[12:08] <aantipop> brb
[12:09] <aantipop> well, yes :(
[12:10] <aantipop> i blame nvidia
[12:10] <mrtimdog> me too
[12:11] <moggio_> is openoffice pdf export fixed in gutsy?
[12:12] <aantipop> any idea why ccsm on kubuntu has no icons ?
[12:13] <jussi01> anyone else having ccda2wav broken atm?
[12:13] <aantipop> moggio_: just testes with a plain document, and it works
[12:14] <moggio_> aantipop:good, because i had some problems with the table of contents..the dots were distorted
[12:16] <aantipop> moggio_: depends on your pdf-viewer i guess
[12:18] <moggio_> aantipop:i think the bug was confirmed on launchpad in feisty
[12:18] <aantipop> you mean the "." are distorted ?
[12:18] <moggio_> yes
[12:20] <aantipop> moggio_: ill post you a screenshot
[12:22] <moggio_> aantipop:ok
[12:23] <aantipop> second the hoster is not working
[12:25] <aantipop> moggio_:  http://img354.imageshack.us/my.php?image=test3jk8.png
[12:26] <aantipop> the dots are created in openoffice, adobe and kpdf are the apps to view it
[12:27] <moggio_> aantipop:that looks ok
[12:27] <moggio_> aantipop:I used the default viewer, and i tried xpdf
[12:29] <syntux> is it going to be LTS, I mean Gusty ?
[12:31] <aantipop> nope, the next one, hardy heron will be LTS
[12:42] <mrtimdog> Does anyone know of a gnome applet which gives you a little command window to run commands? A bit like deskbar used to be...
[12:43] <mrtimdog> How can you tell which tribe you are from a running system?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> mrtimdog: once installed you no long have a tribe
[12:45] <mrtimdog> Ah, ok :)
[12:45] <mrtimdog> Must be nomadic afterwards then!
[12:45] <mrtimdog> Or is that gnomadic?
[12:45] <Zvezdichko> good afternoon
[12:47] <Zvezdichko> there are several bugs I'd like to report. is that the right place?
[12:49] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: bugs.launchpad.net
[12:49] <Zvezdichko> thanks
[12:49] <gnomefreak> yw
[12:49] <jussi01> !bug | Zvezdichko
[12:49] <ubotu> Zvezdichko: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[12:50] <Zvezdichko> as for Gutsy, it looks very stable on my machine. When will we have a stable version
[12:51] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: oct. gutsy will be released
[12:53] <Zvezdichko> thank you :) though I see very few crash bugs and my uptime  ( without restarting X ) is more than 24 hours
[12:59] <Daviey> Zvezdichko: Gutsy is almost at it's release schedule.. However, nasty bugs can still appear any day :O
[01:00] <Zvezdichko> Daviey: bugs I encounter are not nasty. they are.. strange. for example my Maxtor IDE hard disk is recognised as... SCSI
[01:00] <Zvezdichko> and my table is /dev/sda1, /dev/sda2
[01:01] <Daviey> Zvezdichko: Is that a known bug?
[01:02] <Zvezdichko> I checked the Buglist
[01:02] <Zvezdichko> even people using feisty report a similar thing
[01:02] <gnomefreak> no it shouold show as sda sdb
[01:02] <Daviey> Ah.. you don't mean SCSI you mean SATA?
[01:02] <gnomefreak> doesnt matter if its ide or sata
[01:03] <gnomefreak> in gutsy
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> hmmm... so I should get accustomed
[01:03] <Zvezdichko> the second is more serious, because it's a crash bug
[01:03] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: you cant change the way its labled without a ton of work
[01:04] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: we use sda to be more generic than having to patch every day
[01:04] <Daviey> If you want to refer to it otherwise, suppose you could add a symlink in /dev/
[01:04] <Zvezdichko> hmmm, okay :)
[01:04] <Zvezdichko> are you in the development team?
[01:05] <Zvezdichko> you said "we"
[01:05] <gnomefreak> we == ubuntu in that context i am one of ubuntu mozilla maintainers
[01:06] <Zvezdichko> that's great :) I'd also like to help... even if my contribution is minimal as bug reporting
[01:06] <Daviey> Zvezdichko: thought about helping triaging?
[01:06] <Daviey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/HowToTriage ^ ?
[01:07] <Zvezdichko> let me see it
[01:09] <Zvezdichko> it's a channel
[01:11] <mrtimdog> Right, Tribe 6 going onto my laptop, a ThinkPad T40. Here we go......
[01:11] <gourdin> upgrading from feisty to gusty is safe now ?
[01:11] <gourdin> or there is serious bugs
[01:11] <gourdin> (desktop platform)
[01:12] <gnomefreak> gourdin: its not safe until released
[01:12] <gnomefreak> what works now may not work in 10 minutes
[01:12] <gnomefreak> mrtimdog: there is no tribe 6 released
[01:13] <gnomefreak> or it was
[01:13] <gnomefreak> thats right beta freeze is this week
[01:13] <mrtimdog> Typo, sorry, was just reading the chat topup at the same time!
[01:13] <gnomefreak> seems gb mirrors are down
[01:13] <gnomefreak> you might want to change them if you use them
[01:14] <mrtimdog> topic even
[01:15] <gnomefreak> mrtimdog: i read it i thought this week was tribe 6 but its beta
[01:15] <Zvezdichko> wait... is it still alpha?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> Zvezdichko: yes
[01:16] <mrtimdog> No joy, froze on boot. Trying again...
[01:16] <mrtimdog> Oh, hang on, freeze just unfroze.
[01:16] <Zvezdichko> wow ;) then I installed it quite early
[01:21] <mrtimdog> Desktop started, Deskbar applet crashed, and running the install icon does nothing. Hmm...
[01:21] <h1st0> mrtimdog: are you using the cd?
[01:21] <mrtimdog> I am.
[01:24] <Zvezdichko> wow
[01:24] <Zvezdichko> I reported all of the bugs
[01:24] <h1st0> mrtimdog: try booting the cd in safe graphics mode.
[01:24] <h1st0> mrtimdog: what type of hardware do you have?
[01:25] <h1st0> Zvezdichko: all of what bugs?
[01:25] <Zvezdichko> in gutsy :)
[01:25] <Zvezdichko> hope my report will be helpful
[01:25] <mrtimdog> Ok, rebooting. It's a ThinkPad T40. I've had gutsy installed in it in the past.
[01:26] <h1st0> mrtimdog: ahhh you have intel video card.
[01:26] <h1st0> mrtimdog: let me know the output of lspci | grep VGA when you get back up in a console atleast
[01:26] <mrtimdog> Radeon something, I'll find out when it's back up.
[01:28] <h1st0> mrtimdog: probably r500
[01:29] <mrtimdog> Radeon Mobility 7500
[01:34] <jsomers> will there be made any effort to have iTunes working under Ubuntu?
[01:34] <gnomefreak> jsomers: banshee and others work
[01:34] <jsomers> wine does not seem to be able to run it and since the new iPods are only working with iTunes this would be a major setback
[01:35] <gnomefreak> jsomers: cant use itunes directly
[01:35] <gnomefreak> !ipod
[01:35] <ubotu> For information on how to sync and add tracks to your iPod, see the guide at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/IPodHowto See !rockbox for information on liberating your iPod
[01:35] <magnetron> jsomers: there already are, but not from apple. the wine team are working on it, see the article on appdb.winehq.org .
[01:35] <jsomers> http://kristof.willen.be/node/808
[01:35] <IntuitiveNipple> run it in a VM ? :)
[01:36] <jsomers> yeah, but I think that's too much effort for new users
[01:38] <magnetron> jsomers: some people are working on the reverse engineering, but it's too much effort now only because apple deliberately are adding effort requirements
[01:38] <h1st0> Itunes supposedly works with wine 9.45 now
[01:43] <gnomefreak> btw apparmor is fixed
[01:47] <djdarkman_> hi, is tribe 5 still full of dpkg bugs?
[01:48] <djdarkman_> I mean last time I couldn`t even install my nvidia drivers with apt
[01:49] <Do``> is there some wiki page where i could check what new packages arrived on any given day to the official repositories?
[01:50] <IntuitiveNipple> Do``: Check the mail-archives for gutsy-changes mailing list
[01:51] <Do``> IntuitiveNipple: thanks
[01:55] <Zvezdichko> blahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...
[01:56] <Zvezdichko> no mic in skype once again
[01:58] <magnetron> buggy closed-source bandwidth snitcher
[01:58] <Zvezdichko> I know
[01:58] <Zvezdichko> but 90% in my country use it
[01:59] <magnetron> really? where?
[01:59] <Zvezdichko> yes, it uses the ports it shouldn't have to use, it's heavy...
[01:59] <Zvezdichko> Bulgaria
[01:59] <Zvezdichko> a big percent of skype users are... bulgarian
[01:59] <magnetron> does even 90% of the bulgarians have internet access? that's more than Japan
[02:00] <mrtimdog> Apparently they have only one linux developer working on linux skype... Don't know it that's true or not.
[02:01] <Zvezdichko> Mihail Tomov
[02:01] <Zvezdichko> is that true?
[02:03] <djdarkman_> are the restricted nvidia driver packeges working in Gutsy?
[02:04] <mrtimdog> djdarkman_: I'm using them now :)
[02:04] <djdarkman_> mrtimdog: are you a dpkg pro? :)
[02:04] <mrtimdog> Nope.
[02:05] <djdarkman_> I mean all I know currently about apt and dpkg is "sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx"
[02:05] <djdarkman_> in tribe 4 all I got is errors
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> I've not had any issues with Gutsy, Nvidia installation, and not seen much on launchpad about that kind of thing.
[02:08] <djdarkman_> IntuitiveNipple: if the topic says that dpkg ins`t working as it should then I don`t file bug reports about something that is already known to be not working
[02:09] <Zvezdichko> hehe
[02:09] <Zvezdichko> one of the Bugs I reported
[02:09] <Zvezdichko> was DPKG related
[02:10] <IntuitiveNipple> what's known not to be working?
[02:10] <djdarkman_> "Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc "
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> hmmm ...
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> When I ran a system upgrade
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> KDM failed to restart
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> then I had to go back in console, reconfigure dpkg
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> ...
[02:11] <Zvezdichko> it was nasty
[02:12] <djdarkman_> that is what I`m not familliar with
[02:12] <IntuitiveNipple> djdarkman_: That doesn't mean it's not working, it means that as Gutsy is in constant revision (alpha software) be prepared to deal with dependency issues of packages that temporarily are out of sync
[02:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm doing extensive development/debugging on the ACPI side, and beta-testing. Biggest issues I'm dealing with now are suspend, and a liveCD unionfs BUG on some hardware
[02:13] <djdarkman_> IntuitiveNipple: what good does an OS do if it burns your eyes, and you can`t stare into the monitor? even if you are skilled enough to test it, it is not very common that you are able to fix such low level things
[02:14] <Zvezdichko> are you fixing such an error?
[02:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy is 'alpha-quality' still... if you're not confident in dealing with issues as they arise you should stay with Feisty until Gutsy is released.
[02:15] <IntuitiveNipple> Zvezdichko: I'm working on several ACPI issues. Others are working on the unionfs and the Nvidia/GLX/Compiz bug brought on by the ABI bump with xorg
[02:15] <djdarkman_> IntuitiveNipple: I know what alpha means, but I still think that the *display* should have the higher priority
[02:15] <IntuitiveNipple> djdarkman_: There's a *lot* of heated discussion and investigation going on :p
[02:16] <Zvezdichko> heh, I'm glad to see such a dedicated team
[02:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Since Tribe-5 Gutsy has been doing well in my experience. And the rate of fixes is astounding. I was looking at the gutsy-changes in my email earlier and they're been over 600 package updates this week
[02:17] <IntuitiveNipple> s/they're/there've/
[02:17] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, gutsy isn't an os (ready to use)... its "expected" to break.
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> PriceChild: damn! it's failed on my PC then :p
[02:18] <Zvezdichko> is Tribe-6 the beta?
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> No
[02:18] <PriceChild> tribe 6 is a milestone, not a release
[02:18] <PriceChild> and it is still alpha
[02:18] <PriceChild> beta is expected on 27th
[02:18] <djdarkman_> I don`t complain about (x/k/ed)ubuntu, I just think that videocard and display should have a way higher priority, than it has now
[02:19] <svu> what is the latest OOo version in gutsy?
[02:19] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy is the 1st time I've seen well-behaved stable 64-bit
[02:19] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, then use feisty
[02:19] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, and this won't happen
[02:19] <PriceChild> seriously...
[02:19] <Zvezdichko> djdarkman_: can't you just use vesa?
[02:20] <svu> is latest OOo rc1 or oog680m1
[02:20] <IntuitiveNipple> I even managed to hack the NVRAM Sony Vaio/Phoenix BIOS settings this week and enable hardware virtualisation (VT) so I've got kvm under test now, too
[02:20] <djdarkman_> PriceChild: but what if I want to use gutsy, and if I don`t mind hacking around a little if it doesn`t heart my eyes phisicly?
[02:21] <PriceChild> we don't care....?
[02:21] <PriceChild> If you're going to use gutsy, aid the development
[02:21] <PriceChild> file bug reports
[02:21] <PriceChild> follow up on bug reports
[02:21] <PriceChild> submit patches
[02:21] <PriceChild> but don't complain
[02:21] <PriceChild> because its not a finished product
[02:22] <djdarkman_> PriceChild: how can you finish a product if you don`t know what`s the problem with it?
[02:22] <Zvezdichko> nobody is going to complain :) we could blame only ourselves for an apparent loss of info
[02:22] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, but we do... because people file bug reports
[02:22] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, people work off of those bug reports, and then things get fixed
[02:22] <Zvezdichko> but I don't believe it will happen so because Gutsy is stable in its current state
[02:22] <PriceChild> djdarkman_, what doesn't help.. is people moaning on irc that something is broken
[02:23] <Zvezdichko> btw there's an update for apt
[02:24] <Zvezdichko> when I was moaning it was about KDE 4 beta... it behaves as alpha!
[02:24] <Zvezdichko> when you release something as beta you are expecting to work
[02:24] <PriceChild> they're having several betas so should get a lot better
[02:24] <djdarkman_> PriceChild: I`ve just asked if gusty tribe 5 has tribe4 dpgk bugs wich prevented the installation of essential drivers,
[02:25] <PriceChild> no, beta is more "we know things aren't perfect, far from it... but we'd like more bug reports publically as we're getting close and don't want to miss anything"
[02:25] <PriceChild> dpkg bugs?
[02:25] <Zvezdichko> apt just got an update
[02:27] <DexterF> hi
[02:27] <PriceChild> Hey DexterF
[02:34] <DexterF> someone got good advice on downgrading libc6..?
[02:35] <PriceChild> DexterF, why?
[02:37] <MicrosoftSpy> Anyone managed to get suspend working ?
[02:39] <MicrosoftSpy> I have an XPS1210 NVIDA video compiz, suspend seems to work ok, but when I resume it blanks the screen, mouse pointer is there though
[02:40] <DexterF> PriceChild: well, I followed some bogus howto on installing the gutsy kernel in feisty. wanted to have glibc 2.6.1, now I'm having certain trouble
[02:40] <PriceChild> ewww
[02:40] <PriceChild> I can't help you sorry.
[02:40] <DexterF> so I'd rather like to go back and make a custom build. all i need is my old libc6 from feisty back
[02:40] <DexterF> what? that bad?
[02:41] <MicrosoftSpy> I have an XPS1210 NVIDA video compiz, suspend seems to work ok, but when I resume it blanks the screen, mouse pointer is there though
[02:41] <MicrosoftSpy> Any ideas ?
[02:41] <DexterF> MicrosoftSpy: don't do that. ask your question, be patient.
[02:42] <CyD_> hello
[02:43] <CyD_> unbrekable X doenst work
[02:43] <MicrosoftSpy> Sorry Dexter
[02:43] <DexterF> np
[02:43] <CyD_> wich driver must i specify to xorg for an intel video card ?
[02:43] <CyD_> the  8265G
[02:43] <DexterF> CyD_: isn't there intel in the list?
[02:44] <CyD_> i dont see a list of drivers in xorg.conf
[02:44] <CyD_> i can just try intel ?
[02:44] <DexterF> because there is none. the list in in the config tool.
[02:45] <DexterF> you could try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. you'll have to re-enter everything tho. well, yes, just go for "intel" as driver. what did google say?
[02:45] <CyD_> nothing :/
[02:46] <jussi01> doesnt intel use vesa?
[02:46] <CyD_> isnt there a unbreakble X in gutsy ?
[02:46] <DexterF> wth is an unbreakable X?
[02:46] <CyD_> its the new spec of gutsy
[02:47] <CyD_> when x doenst load
[02:47] <CyD_> we must have a gtk windows to configure x
[02:47] <CyD_> i will try dpk-reconf
[02:51] <Tuna> do we still have init skripts in gutsy or will they be replaced by the startup-stuff?
[02:51] <Tuna> I didn't find information about the skript's status in launchpad.
[02:51] <Tuna> There's onl the status of the startup core
[02:52] <CyD_> Thanks DexterF : dpkg did the job :)
[02:52] <DexterF> yw :)
[02:55] <PriceChild> Tuna, I think upstart should be in properly in Hardy... but atm I "think" we're still on init under upstart
[02:57] <Tuna> PriceChild: Yes, I've been fiddling with upstart skripts since they are there,
[02:57] <Tuna> but wanted to see "how to do it properly".
[02:58] <Tuna> Of course upstart will be in gutsy as well,
[02:58] <Tuna> but what about the skripts?
[03:03] <MrKeuner> hi, will the ati 8.41 driver go in feisty repositories, or should i wait for 7.10 release for that?
[03:11] <PriceChild> MrKeuner, wait for gutsy
[03:11] <DexterF> wait for the free driver ;)
[03:12] <openstandards> hi which would be better to use ndis wrapper or fwcutter for the bcm4309
[03:16] <Xero> openstandards, it's always (imo) easier to use ndiswrapper.
[03:18] <openstandards> alright cheers and another thing has work started on some new open ati drivers :P
[03:19] <dns_56> lets hope nvidia does something similar
[03:20] <openstandards> would be nice indeed this is mad... .. its like a dream
[03:26] <leperkhanz> yeah, so I have a problem with my .dmrc file, no direct rendering, and low 3d fps as a result.
[03:31] <ssd> hey
[03:31] <ssd> i have some problems with network-manager
[03:31] <ssd> it is broken for wifi
[03:32] <dns_56> did it work with feisty?
[03:32] <ssd> i cant see any wireless and if i type the essid it just asks for the wifi WEP key again and again
[03:32] <ssd> yes
[03:32] <Suurorca> pffth, this laptop is a head ache...
[03:33] <Suurorca> has anyone fiddled with intel's HD audio on a hp dv6000? :p
[03:33] <ssd> Solarion, snd-hda-intel?
[03:33] <dns_56> i removed my /etc/network/interfaces file and that got network manager to take over the network config again
[03:34] <ssd> dns_56, yep that did the trick
[03:35] <dns_56> network manager is dumb/smart if it finds that the config file has been changed it assumes something else is being used to configure the network and does nothing
[03:37] <leperkhanz> any word on my .dmrc file 3d rendering problem?
[03:37] <Suurorca> at least I'd think it's snd-hda-intel...
[03:38] <Suurorca> just shows up as "82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"
[03:39] <ssd_> dns_56, thanks removing that file worked
[03:40] <ssd_> Suurorca, what driver do you use? and what codec?
[03:46] <Suurorca> ssd_: right now this thing isn't even seeing the damned sound card after I recompiled alsa drivers/libs/utils as some thread on the forums suggested :p
[03:48] <ssd_> Suurorca, what card do you have?
[03:49] <Suurorca> 16:38 < Suurorca> just shows up as "82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller"  <- I that's about as much as I know about it :p
[03:50] <ssd_> Suurorca, lspci
[03:51] <ssd_> type that in your terminal
[03:51] <Suurorca> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:52] <Suurorca> as I said :p
[03:52] <ssd_> Suurorca, does the laptop have a built in bass?
[03:53] <Suurorca> I'd rather doubt it but no idea
[03:54] <ssd_> Suurorca, sudo modprobe snd-hda-intel model=3stack
[03:59] <MrKeuner> DexterF: is there a free driver by ati really coming?
[04:00] <DexterF> AMD handed out the specs for R500 and up to RedHat and Novell yesterday
[04:00] <DexterF> was all over the IT news
[04:01] <MrKeuner> DexterF: does that mean that ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300]  is not covered?
[04:01] <DexterF> MrKeuner: m300 is based on...?
[04:01] <DexterF> r300?
[04:01] <MrKeuner> DexterF: I have no idea, where can I check that?
[04:02] <DexterF> MrKeuner: good question. can you check sudo lspci and ree what it says about the card?
[04:02] <DexterF> (or chip rather)
[04:03] <MrKeuner> DexterF: This is where I got that string, actually. should I do a lspci -vv or something
[04:03] <MrKeuner> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc M22 [Radeon Mobility M300] 
[04:03] <DexterF> how old is that laptop?
[04:03] <MrKeuner> 1 year old thinkpad r52
[04:03] <MrKeuner> or 1.5
[04:05] <DexterF> well, that's rather a rv3xx based chip. nope, the free driver won't support that. until the kernel hackers find a way to apply that info on earlier chips. but the free reverse engineered driver works alright here, to needs some tinkering with driconf.
[04:05] <DexterF> enough 3d juice for Google Earth at least
[04:05] <DexterF> no gmaes tho
[04:15] <Nido> I'm trying to upgrade my desktop from feisty to gusty. I succeeded in doing this on my laptop; but with my desktop i run into trouble. A moment ago, I had this "upgrade distro" button in update-manager, but it failed because of a dbus issue. Now; after restarting dbus,  dbus issues still happen but the update button is gone
[04:15] <^^MAg^^> actually x.org published this specs, now we have to wait for open source ATI-made driver
[04:16] <ShackJack> Nido: Do through command line? sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[04:17] <martijn81> when will it be possible to test whether auto installation of compiz works properly?
[04:18] <ShackJack> martijn81: Should be able to do that now, no?
[04:18] <Nido> ShackJack: sudo aptitude update works; sudo aptitude dist-upgrade says nothing should happen. How could I check if the upgrade happened with me missing it? (for one, I expected the 2.6.22 kernel to get installed)
[04:18] <ShackJack> martijn81: Ah wait nevermind - I know what U mean...
[04:19] <martijn81> ShackJack: i mean activated from installation, kubuntu btw
[04:19] <ShackJack> Nido: You have to change the instances of feisty in your sources.list to gutsy ?
[04:20] <ShackJack> martijn81: Yep - no I gotcha... As it stands in GNOME, you still have to activate desktop effects... Though in Gutsy T5 if you install xserver-xgl, it'll automatically start an XGL session for you which is pretty cool!
[04:20] <Nido> ShackJack: No. Can I do that by doing search-and-replace? Or should I manually check stuff before I do it that way?
[04:20] <leperkhanz> any word yet on how to fix my .dmrc file and direct rendering?
[04:20] <ShackJack> martijn81: I honestly don't know how they'll pull that off what with closed Nvidia dirvers...
[04:21] <ShackJack> Nido - gksu /etc/apt/sources.list then search replace gutsy for feisty... then update/dist upgrade :)
[04:21] <leperkhanz> restricted drivers by default.
[04:21] <ShackJack> Nido: Before I reboot I also do a sudo aptitude -f install (and maybe another update before that) to be sure nothing was missed :)
[04:21] <Nido> ShackJack: E486: Pattern not found: gusty
[04:22] <ShackJack> Nido: No - other way around :)
[04:22] <martijn81> ShackJack: probably with a notification box/choice whether you want to run non-free software so you can get the effects?
[04:22] <Nido> ShackJack: that's better: 21 substitutions on 21 lines
[04:23] <Nido> That gives quite a bigger update list for aptitude
[04:23] <ShackJack> martijn81: Yep, restricted drivers manager - but of course you have to enable those first.. so "out of the box" Compiz won't be doable... I imagine some notice would come up after 3d drivers in effect... but not yet :)
[04:23] <ShackJack> Nido: Yeah, you prolly have a few hundred megs coming down... Like I said before reboot do the other  update -f install to make sure it got everything...  (and cross your fingers)
[04:24] <leperkhanz> how long till nvidia caves to the pressure you think?
[04:24] <leperkhanz> :)
[04:24] <ShackJack> Nido: P.S. If you have a spearate home directory, fresh installs are trivial :)
[04:24] <ShackJack> leperkhanz: We shall see... Though my 7800GS runs pretty good on the binary drivers :)
[04:25] <leperkhanz> pretty good still has a host of problems though.  I run into them all the time.
[04:25] <Nido> ShackJack: I just hope the power doesn't fall out while this upgrade runs
[04:25] <ShackJack> leperkhanz: Was saying on other chat- I was disturbed by this:  - I was having annoying X crashes with Gutsy/fglrx/Fusion that I wasn't getting any feedback (from computer) as to the cause... When I reinstalled Gutsy the problems seemed to be fixed ... That feels like such the "Windows Way" to solve a problem - I feel so dirty...
[04:26] <ShackJack> Nido: You have separate partition for your home dir?
[04:26] <Nido> ShackJack: No.
[04:27] <ShackJack> Nido: Ah... you really should - makes like so much easier :) I'd almost recommend backing up your home and doing it... You can do fresh reinstall and all settings, etc.. are there, just have to aptitude the missing proggies which takes like two seconds :)
[04:27] <leperkhanz> Yeah, I'm afraid to do that yet.
[04:27] <leperkhanz> will do in october probably.. :D
[04:28] <ShackJack> leperkhanz: Though I wasn't reinstalling guts y to fix the crashing problem, but actually *ditching* my Windows dual boot (yeah!) - now I just run an instance of XP in Virtual Box - sweet!
[04:28] <leperkhanz> lol, yeah.  I don't even do that any more ..... :)
[04:28] <Nido> ShackJack: I have my ``important'' files on a different computer; mount on /home/nido/link using sshfs. I don't mind anything happening to my home dir
[04:29] <ShackJack> leperkhanz: I just wanted to do it for the novelty and to run PS and Flash CS3... Runs pretty nicely... gave it 512MB
[04:30] <ShackJack> Nido: Well, you home dir has all the settings, etc... in it so it's not just the files you create yourself... When doing a fresh install if home dir is separate, you don't have to worry about going and setting stuff up again... It's a worthwhile practice...
[04:30] <Nido> ShackJack: All altered settings have been backed-up
[04:31] <ShackJack> Nido: K - whatever.... :P
[04:31] <ShackJack> Gutsy's running pretty sweetly now - compiz fusion included...
[04:32] <Nido> ShackJack: I ran into partition-space problem a lot more then I ran into homedir-configuration problems. Hence I run stuff in this way now. Chances are though that soon my whole homedir will be off this computer and onto my central server
[04:33] <ShackJack> Nido: my partition space problem with this notebook is I think I gave gutsy *too much* space in the root partition - 20GB... It's only using about 3GB with all the stuff installed :)
[04:35] <Nido> ShackJack: I often have to juggle around 4 to 20 GB files around /home and /tmp and alike; so I like to have it all in the same partition
[04:44] <Nido> ShackJack: few things which scare me at the moment is the fact that, among things, kdm and synaptic has been deinstalled
[04:44] <ShackJack> :)
[04:45] <Nido> I recall both still being available with my laptop upgrade
[04:49] <cps1966> ! seamonkey
[04:49] <ubotu> Seamonkey, formerly known as "Mozilla Application Suite", is available at http://www.mozilla.org/projects/seamonkey/ with install instructions for ubuntu at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=186011
[04:52] <Hobbsee> Nido: then...install them?
[04:56] <Nido> ShackJack / Hobbsee : It seems something went terribly wrong with that route. Instead; I've returned the gusty settings to feisty; reinstalled update-manager; downloaded the distro upgrade thingie; and executed it manually (becuase update-manager has dbus problems of some sort, having to do with a value 'os'
[04:56] <Hobbsee> import os error, by any chance?
[04:57] <Nido> NameError: global name 'os' is not defined
[04:57] <Hobbsee> got python2.5 installed?
[04:57] <Nido> Python 2.5.1
[04:58] <Nido> (on a sidenote: our little scheme deinstalled kubuntu-desktop; which is a problem for the upgrade program. Reinstalling it now)
[04:59] <nanonyme> might list the versions of python packages installed too
[04:59] <nanonyme> that instead of just the python version
[05:00] <Nido> nanonyme: got a command-line thingie for that? I wouldn't know which python packages you are referring to
[05:00] <nanonyme> well, like apt-cache show python says i have version 2.5.1-1ubuntu2
[05:01] <nanonyme> which includes the actual package version
[05:01] <Nido> Version: 2.5.1-0ubuntu3
[05:02] <nanonyme> dunno, might try updating your python to the latest package. there might have been a packaging problem
[05:04] <Nido> kubuntu-desktop reinstalled; attempting the update-manager; otherwise the unpacked dist-upgrade.py
[05:10] <Nido> update-manager not impressed (still the os error); tryting the downloaded dist-update.py file
[05:12] <Nido> fetching upgrades. 1327 packages to be downloaded. That number almost reminds me of something
[05:14] <Nido> Thank you all for your help
[05:14] <kevinO> are the commercial repositories disabled right now?
[05:16] <kevinO> I have enabled them in sources.list, but it says after apt-get update, Failed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/binary-i386/Packages.gz  404 Not FoundFailed to fetch http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/commercial/source/Sources.gz  404 Not Found
[05:16] <kevinO> should I use feisty commercial repositorie?
[05:16] <mbt> Does anyone know off-hand where the *-dbg packages are?  I remember reading that they were moved out of the core repositories once upon a time, but I need some of them now and can't find where they moved to.
[05:17] <mbt> kevinO, That's up to you, though it doesn't look like they're setup at the moment on the server side.
[05:17] <kevinO> ok, im trying to get vmware-server, i dont think it will hurt anything
[05:17] <Hobbsee> kevinO: no - the toolchain has changed.
[05:17] <kevinO> oh?
[05:17] <Hobbsee> it may work, it may not
[05:18] <kevinO> I will give it a try i guess thanks for the info guys
[05:20] <kevinO> yeah it wont work
[05:20] <kevinO>  vmware-server: Depends: vmware-server-kernel-modules but it is not installable
[05:20] <kevinO> E: Broken packages
[05:20] <kevinO> oh well
[05:20] <kevinO> :)
[05:47] <DexterF> hi
[05:47] <DexterF> is the gutsy kernel patched for the 16+ groups NFS issue?
[05:53] <mbt> Can anyone make heads or tails of this output from (attempting to) run Firefox under a debugger?  http://www.trausch.us/2007/09/15/well-thats-entirely-not-helpful/
[05:56] <Matir> Has anyone experienced that the gutsy desktop seems "laggier" than feisty did?  I.e., switching from firefox to thunderbird on my machine takes a noticeable amount of time...
[05:57] <mbt> Matir, how much RAM do you have?  I've noticed that Gutsy is eating a little bit more in the way of RAM, at least on my system, so things are swapping in and out more.  It doesn't help that I kinda needed to upgrade my RAM when I was running Feisty, either.  :-)
[05:57] <Matir> 1 gig
[05:58] <mbt> Ahh, same here.  Well, almost; 128MB of that is stolen by the graphics card, too.
[05:59] <Matir> yeah, but 'free' on my system shows a reasonable amount of free ram: 742 megs after removing buffers/cache
[06:00] <mbt> I have 7 MB free RAM and am using 38 MB swap at the moment, and not that heavily loaded (yet).  Ahh, well, you're more fortunate than I, then lol
[06:00] <Matir> and there's no disk activity when i switch
[06:00] <Matir> well, i just restarted to see if that would clear it up :)
[06:00] <mbt> Hrm.  Well, then I am not sure then.  I keep running into crash issues so I can't figure out what the true performance is just yet.
[06:01] <Matir> ah
[06:01] <mbt> If I can figure out why Thunderbird and Firefox want to keep dying on me, I might be able to get somewhere.  :-P
[06:03] <Matir> ah
[06:04] <mbt> Anyone know what's up with Glibc complaining a lot in Gutsy?  I keep getting all sorts of double-free/corruption messages, and at least in the case of Firefox, the backtrace is not at all helpful.
[06:04] <Matir> hrrm, it's X that's using TONS of cpu when switching windows
[06:05] <mbt> Matir, What graphics board/video driver do you have?
[06:06] <Matir> ATI Radeon 9200SE, using the x.org ati driver (6.7.192)
[06:08] <Vegar> In the gutsy installer, step 8, advanced options there is a checkbox; "Install bootloader"
[06:08] <Vegar> is that the checkbox I should uncheck to leave the MBR alone?
[06:08] <mbt> Hrm.  Is desktop effects disabled, Matir?
[06:09] <Matir> it is
[06:09] <mbt> That seems odd, then.
[06:09] <Vegar> or maybe I should say it like this: How do I install grub in /boot instead of the MBR?
[06:09] <Vegar> and how do I toggle the bootable flags?
[06:10] <mbt> Vegar, The bootable flags are only used by DOS/Windows MBRs to determine what partition to kickstart.
[06:10] <mbt> Vegar, Also, grub's files are installed in /boot, but if you want to use the partition that /boot is on to also host the bootloader, you'd just install the bootloader to that partition.  The exact menu option to do so evades me ATM, though.
[06:11] <Matir> i'm gonna try something, brb
[06:12] <MrStein> Hi! 2 things: I am I the only one who thinka word on the boot screen about which version it is would be naice ? and : where do I change my profile data on the wiki.ubuntu.com ? The UserPreferences page mentions "Changing settings" , but no link or any explanation.
[06:12] <Vegar> mbt: I'm installing on a Thinkpad, and I want to preserve the custom Lenovo MBR
[06:13] <Vegar> (which uses the bootable flags)
[06:13] <mbt> Vegar, They don't use the standard Microsoft MBR that Windows installs?
[06:13] <Vegar> no
[06:14] <hylje> Vegar: thinkpads have a custom BIOS, the MBR is normal as far as i know
[06:14] <Vegar> no, the MBR is special
[06:14] <Vegar> for the ThinkVantage button to work, you need the lenovo MBR
[06:14] <mbt> I wonder how special you can get in 512 bytes, lol.
[06:14] <Vegar> (The ThinkVantage boots the hidden RnR partition)
[06:14] <hylje> heh
[06:14] <Matir> interesting... disabling EXA acceleration made a huge difference... not perfect, but much better
[06:15] <hylje> mine (Access IBM button) works just fine with grub
[06:15] <MrStein> mbt: eh, never had an Amiga ? ;-)
[06:15] <mbt> Does Lenovo not let you burn that to CD/DVD?
[06:15] <hylje> because there's no custom MBR, just a custom BIOS
[06:15] <mbt> MrStein, I wish.
[06:15] <Zvezdichko> KDE is too heavy for me. Isn't there any desktop that is simpler
[06:15] <Vegar> every guide I've seen for debian and ubuntu on the T61, says not to mess with the MBR
[06:15] <MrStein> Zvezdichko: GNOME, XFCE , etc. ...
[06:16] <MrStein> Zvezdichko: already nicely packages as kubuntu and xubuntu
[06:16] <MrStein> packages=packaged
[06:16] <Zvezdichko> I installed Kubuntu Gutsy
[06:16] <Zvezdichko> but KDE heavy
[06:16] <mbt> Vegar, well, you could always back up the MBR and see what happens.  That's probably what I would do, and just be sure to have a boot disc handy to restore it if the system truly is broken in that way.
[06:16] <Zvezdichko> so I don't know what to install - ubuntu- or xubuntu-desktop
[06:16] <MrStein> Zvezdichko: eh, sorry, GNOME is on ubnutu (without any letter in front)
[06:17] <MrStein> Zvezdichko: xubuntu is the lighter  desktop.
[06:17] <Vegar> mbt: a question comes to mind - how do I backup the MBR?
[06:18] <MrStein> mbt: dd if=/dev/yourharddrive of=/wherever/you/want/to/put/it bs=512 count=1
[06:18] <mbt> Vegar, "dd if=/dev/harddrive of=mbr.bin bs=512 count=1" where /dev/harddrive would be /dev/sda or /dev/hda or whatever your hard disk drive device is.  Not a partition.
[06:18] <MrStein> Vegar: see my prev line
[06:18] <Vegar> ok
[06:18] <Vegar> thanks
[06:20] <mbt> MrStein, Didn't the Amiga at least have a non-borked way of laying out partitions and such?  If there's one thing I wish would change about PC architecture, it's the way hard disks are laid out presently.
[06:20] <mbt> Well, that and a lack of a real system firmware.  lol
[06:21] <MrStein> mbt: Amiga had tons of non-borked stuff ;-) Like unlimited nr of partitions, no problems confosding two if you added some new, etc ...
[06:21] <MrStein> ...confusing
[06:21] <mbt> MrStein, lol, I thought the typo was intentional, actually.  :-)
[06:21] <MrStein> :-D
[06:22] <Zvezdichko> proceeding with ubuntu-desktop anyway :) at least I may do some bug testing there
[06:23] <MrStein> I beliece Feisty betas has a wiki page for each release, where the main changes were listed. Gutsy has no such pages ?
[06:23] <MrStein> (damn typos)
[06:25] <mbt> MrStein, They do, somewhere
[06:26] <MrStein> that doesn't really help ;-)
[06:26] <mbt> lol
[06:26] <mbt> was looking
[06:26] <mbt> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule --> Has a link to each one
[06:27] <mbt> Err...
[06:27] <mbt> Hang on, 'cuz that isn't right.
[06:28] <mbt> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribeX -- replace X with 1...5
[06:29] <chairman> I have installed gutsy on my new x61 laptop. Most stuff works nicely. I have some problems with compiz and workspaces. First I just had one workspace when I run compiz but then I installed ccsm and I could get more workspaces. ctrl+alt+left/right doesn't work anymore. Any ideas? I have an intel graphics card
[06:29] <Vegar> does each partition have a boot sector too?
[06:30] <mbt> Vegar, On the PC, yes.  There is the MBR which is 512 bytes and include initial bootstrapping code along with the partition table, and then the first 512 bytes of each partition is where the system looks for the boot code for a given operating system.
[06:30] <Vegar> ok
[06:30] <Vegar> great
[06:30] <Vegar> thanks
[06:30] <mbt> No problem
[06:31] <mbt> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_boot_record and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boot_sector have more information if you're interested, Vegar.
[06:33] <mbt> Can anyone make heads or tails of this output from (attempting to) run Firefox under a debugger?  http://www.trausch.us/2007/09/15/well-thats-entirely-not-helpful/
[06:33] <MrStein> Is mbt: thanks for the Tribes page URLs
[06:33] <mbt> MrStein, No problem
[06:34] <MrStein> Is the author of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule here ? Would they minf if I replace the TribeX URLs with the ones posted by mbt ? They still all exists as opposed to current links, and they also link on to the same URLs (for download)
[06:35] <MrStein> the wiki could take quite a lot of similar touchup ...
[06:35] <Matir> mbt: from ale?
[06:35] <Hobbsee> MrStein: i doubt there's much point - it gets copy-pasted each release, and fiddled.
[06:35] <mbt> Matir, Atlanta Linux Enthusiasts?  Yepper.
[06:35] <Hobbsee> and it does ask you not to edit
[06:35] <MrStein> Hobbsee: :-(
[06:35] <MrStein> ok
[06:35] <Matir> mbt: cool, me too
[06:36] <Matir> have you tried installing firefox-dbg?
[06:36] <MrStein> Hobbsee: besides, it is outdated. It says Tribe6 is/was released on sep 6th , but in reality it wasn't
[06:36] <Hobbsee> see the /topic
[06:36] <Hobbsee> that was the date of the tribe
[06:37] <MrStein> yes I know. The page is still outdated ;-9
[06:37] <mbt> Matir, Haven't been able to make it to a meeting in a while though... I can't take my son because he's too loud, lol.  Yepper, I have the debug packages installed, and that's still the bt that I get; it is also the only time I've seen gdb say "Cannot remove breakpoints because program is no longer writable."
[06:37] <MrStein> Hobbsee: nowhere on that page does it say "this is outdated, see IRC" ;-)
[06:37] <Hobbsee> no, most people know that it's a guideline, and to read ubuntu-devel-announce
[06:38] <Matir> yeah, i've never seen that from gdb... but that probably means the function calls in the bt are not in firefox, but elsewhere.
[06:38] <mbt> Weird.  It happens every time I try to open up the preferences panel
[06:38] <Vegar> When I ran apt-get upgrade the other day, I was prompted to reboot. I suspect this is because of a gdm update. If I restart gdm, would it be possible to get rid of the reboot notice?
[06:39] <Matir> mbt: have you tried running firefox from strace?
[06:39] <mbt> Vegar, I think updates to gdm just call "/etc/init.d/gdm reload", IIRC.  Reboot notices are usually a sign that the kernel or some other system software has been updated.
[06:39] <Matir> it would be less complete, but might reveal something
[06:40] <Vegar> mbt: ok
[06:40] <MrStein> ok, bye. Off to file a bunch of new bug reports ....
[06:40] <Vegar> mbt: I'll pay more attention to what's being updated next time
[06:40] <MrStein> last check : nobody knows how to change profile data (email) on the wiki ?
[06:40] <mbt> Matir, I did, but I was not able to find anything useful in that output.  Will try it again, though, and see if anything stands out.
[06:40] <Hobbsee> MrStein: preferred address in LP, i expect
[06:40] <mbt> MrStein, I think that's managed from Launchpad.
[06:42] <MrStein> ok, 10x. Bye
[06:42] <mbt> Matir, without running it under anything, I get this:  *** glibc detected *** /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin: free(): invalid pointer: 0x0000000001dfd4a0 ***
[06:42] <mbt> Which I see with an alarming frequency with Thunderbird, too.  :-/
[06:43] <Matir> so i would guess it's in one of the common components
[06:43] <mbt> It spits out a partial backtrace and an incomplete memory map upon happening upon the crash too.  Come to think of it, that might be why GDB can't debug it.
[06:45] <mbt> I would guess so, too; I've seen it with other things, as well.  My /guess/ is that some change was made to glibc that made it check things more strictly or something, and there are many existing bugs exposed because of that.  It seems more likely than glibc itself being buggy, though that's possible too.
[06:46] <mbt> Do you know what the command in gdb is to dump core off the top of your head, Matir?
[06:46] <cutekat> btw cups working again; cheers!
[06:46] <Matir> mbt - afraid not
[06:47] <Matir> actually, it might be 'gcore'
[06:48] <mbt> Hah!  That is it!  Thanks... I couldn't remember it for the life of me
[06:48] <Vegar> does ubuntu have the same tools to build a kernel .deb as debian?
[06:51] <mbt> I may have to roll back to Feisty, I think that the problems that I am running into are a bit over my head to file reports for.
[06:55] <mbt> Hrm.  Now that I was able to dump core, though, it seems the problem is pthread
[06:55] <mbt> or nspr4, or libc.  Those are the common components in both backtraces from FF and Thunderbird.
[06:56] <MrStein> How hard is to change and thest the boot scrips of the live CD (forx example the media check) ? Becaus I see the only way to fix bug is to write patches myself ...
[06:57] <mbt> MrStein, what bug?
[06:57] <MrStein> mbt: 64408
[06:57] <MrStein> killall typod
[06:58] <Vegar> \o/
[06:58] <Vegar> Ubuntu installed
[06:58] <Vegar> MBR intact
[06:59] <sandy|lurk> hey all...does anyone know if Compiz is enabled by default  on the Live CD for ATI cards in the latest Gutsy dailies?  I'm running low on blank CDs and thought I'd ask before I tried.  :-)
[06:59] <Vegar> removed boot flag from the windows partition, set it on /boot instead
[06:59] <Vegar> lenovo MBR boots grub
[06:59] <Vegar> wonderful
[06:59] <mbt> MrStein, I don't know how you'd be able to do that without rebuilding the CD: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/LiveCDCustomization
[07:00] <MrStein> mbt: I will abviously test it WITH rebuilding the CD ;-)
[07:00] <MrStein> eh typod is still running :-(
[07:00] <mbt> What's it's status in ps -ax?
[07:00] <mbt> *its, rather
[07:01] <MrStein> hehe, it migrated to you
[07:01] <mbt> LOL
[07:01] <MrStein> testing. Five fluufy ballons entered the waste outdoors.
[07:01] <MrStein> ah, stil here :-D
[07:01] <mbt> killall -11, man, killall -11
[07:01] <mbt> lol
[07:02] <MrStein> Hmm, I booted tribe6 on my latop an got a black screen. Known ? It has ATI gfx hw
[07:03] <MrStein> looks like X is not running. No error dialog (not even text mode)
[07:03] <ptn107> how do I know the tickless kernel is actually working correctly
[07:04] <pvandewyngaerde> tickle it
[07:04] <penguin42> MrStein: Probably best to bug report it with as much detail as possible about the laptop; is there an option to boot it in text mode or safe mode?
[07:04] <MrStein> penguin42: i believe so.
[07:05] <bur[n] er> tribe6?  I thought there were no isos for tribe6
[07:05] <MrStein> the X log ends with Backtrace: (I guess it went to stderr which was not logged)
[07:05] <penguin42> ptn107: I suspect using 'powertop' is the best way
[07:05] <ptn107> penguin42: ill give that a go, thx
[07:07] <MrStein> what distro are you suggesting to use as a base for testing, patching, compilign, ubuntu betas ?
[07:07] <MrStein> that is : what should I install on the PC
[07:09] <Vegar> is it possible to have sudo behave like sudo on debian? ie. don't ask for the password every time I open a new terminal
[07:10] <Lattyware> Hey all. Is there a fix for the fact that gnome-terminal and firestarter (presumably unrelated) crash on start.
[07:12] <mbt> MrStein, I think you can probably use any of them, though it does mention on the page I linked you to to be weary of using Edgy.  So, probably Feisty would be fine.
[07:14] <mbt> I seriously need a T3 connection to the 'net.
[07:14] <Lattyware> mbt: I'd be happy with an ISP that doesn
[07:14] <penguin42> Lattyware: Hi, gnome-terminal is OK over here
[07:15] <Lattyware> *doesn't throttle my latest distro torrents down to 5kbps
[07:15] <MrStein> mbt: t3 ? don't you have DSL/optics these days ?
[07:15] <penguin42> is it faster if you don't use torrent?
[07:15] <Lattyware> penguin42: Hmmm... others said they had the same problem last time I asked about it.
[07:15] <Lattyware> I can get 100kbps down straight during the day, 200kbps during night
[07:15] <penguin42> Lattyware: I'm upto date as of this morning
[07:15] <Lattyware> but this is meant to be a 4MB line
[07:15] <Lattyware> *4Mib
[07:16] <mbt> MrStein, Upload speed stinks... even on Comcast.  And Lattyware, truer words have never been spoken; manipulating customer's TCP connections is pure Evil.
[07:16] <MrStein> "bit" is only 2 more characters. And unambigous.
[07:16] <yipe> hi +1ers!
[07:16] <Lattyware> MrStein: Yeah.
[07:16] <mbt> MrStein, uploading core files---even compressed ones---to LP is stinky.
[07:16] <jussi01> !hi | yipe
[07:16] <ubotu> yipe: Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu+1!
[07:17] <yipe> just a stupid question from someone kinda out of touch with ubuntu at the moment
[07:17] <Lattyware> mbt: Indeed. British Telecom are terriable.
[07:17] <yipe> is there any news about gusty+1 or Gutsy+2 being LTS?
[07:17] <Lattyware> Plus I really don't have enough for my own line, so I have to stick with this British Telecom connection for 18 months (well, around 6 from now).
[07:17] <jussi01> yipe: gutsy +1 will be
[07:18] <mbt> Lattyware, We have Comcast to fill those shoes here in the States.  :-P  They seem to send TCP RST to any Bittorrent uploads from their network.
[07:18] <yipe> sweet, I can't wait for that
[07:18] <jussi01> !hardy
[07:18] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for Ubuntu 8.04, due April 2008.
[07:18] <yipe> nice
[07:18] <MrStein> lucky bastards in some cities "nearby" can have 1 Mbps simmetric per Euro. Up to  1 Gbit !
[07:18] <yipe> so are they determining LTS status according to what names they can think of for that letter or what? ;)
[07:18] <Lattyware> mbt: I'm trying to persuade them to let me get a connection with newnet. Not cheap (36 a month), but static IPs, and no throttling.
[07:18] <Lattyware> Woah
[07:19] <mbt> 36 sounds expensive.  Any idea what that is in USD?  My best guess would be around $70.
[07:19] <Lattyware> The UK sucks for net connections. We are such a small country, if the government bothered to endorse it, we could get fibre everwhere.
[07:19] <jimmygoon> Where can one see the preview for gutsy's art?
[07:19] <Lattyware> 1 == $2
[07:19] <Lattyware> just double it
[07:19] <Lattyware> So yeah, $72
[07:20] <mbt> Ouch.
[07:20] <MrStein> Lattyware: UK small ??? Can you even find "slovenia" on the map ? ;-)
[07:20] <Lattyware> It's a little less, so you are probably spot on.
[07:20] <Lattyware> MrStein: Heh.
[07:20] <Lattyware> We pay OTT for everything though
[07:21] <Lattyware> 40 a game, I paid going on 500 for my 24" monitor.
[07:21] <Lattyware> And they have not come down since then.
[07:21] <MrStein> Lattyware: Can't you order from EU ?
[07:21] <yipe> MrStein it's like in the northern bit of the balkans isn't it?
[07:22] <Lattyware> You can, but by the time you add tax and shipping, it's hardly worth it.
[07:22] <MrStein> yipe: ;-) yes
[07:22] <Lattyware> I mean, Tax accounts for around 150 of that.
[07:22] <yipe> doesn't it also share a border with italy and austria now that I think about it?
[07:22] <MrStein> Lattyware: I thought there is not tax inside EU ? Isn't UK/GB in the EU ???
[07:23] <MrStein> I mean no additional tax.
[07:23] <Lattyware> yeah, but you have to add VAT to the price.
[07:23] <Lattyware> I'm pretty sure.
[07:24] <penguin42> Lattyware:Fibre to the home would cost lots and lots to put in
[07:24] <MrStein> Lattyware: I ordered from Germany to Austria and there was no extra tax, just shipping costs. The same for ordering into Slovenia (with much higher shipping cost, even if it borders on Austria, go figure) (shipping=transport)
[07:24] <mbt> Would anyone be able to provide any help on how to better file LP #139815?
[07:24] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139815 in ubuntu "Firefox/Thunderbird seemingly randomish crashes" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/139815
[07:24] <Lattyware> penguin42: Yeah, I exaggerate, but the average house here will max out at 1-2MB. That's the line, so you can't help it. Building more exchanges is the big thing.
[07:25] <mbt> Ubotu never ceases to amaze me.
[07:25] <Lattyware> But anyway, back to the matter at hand. Gnome-terminal crashes on start, as does firestarter, and also Pidgin seems ridiculously unstable.
[07:25] <MrStein> Lattyware: t-com in germany built VDSL2 centrals in every street. In major cities.
[07:25] <penguin42> Lattyware: A while ago there was talk of fibre->street and then copper from there
[07:26] <Lattyware> yeah
[07:26] <penguin42> mbt: It seems an OK file
[07:26] <MrStein> penguin42: yes, that's what the germans did.
[07:26] <penguin42> mbt: With the core'sI can't see what else you can do except if you could give bits of your profile
[07:26] <mbt> penguin42, Any idea what package that bug should be attributed to?
[07:26] <penguin42> mbt: Do you have any plugins?
[07:26] <penguin42> mbt: No
[07:26] <Lattyware> But Germany is a country where stuff actually gets done.
[07:26] <Lattyware> Or so it seems.
[07:27] <Lattyware> Here are politicians are so useless.
[07:27] <Lattyware> *our
[07:27] <penguin42> mbt: You could arbitrarily pick firefox or thunderbird and hope someone who knows more has a better idea
[07:27] <mbt> penguin42, I did, but I disabled them all to replicate again and generate the coredumps, well, save for TB -- I can't even get into TB to disable them, and I can't reproduce the bug without my profile.
[07:27] <mbt> Lattyware, Is your problem with Pidgin related in any way to libnspr4, do you know?
[07:27] <MrStein> Lattyware:  not really, only major cities are done. The rest is left dry. Not even DSL/cable in certain places. And the monopoly problem
[07:28] <penguin42> mbt: That's pretty difficult
[07:28] <Lattyware> mbt: Don't know at all I'm afraid.
[07:28] <MrStein> Lattyware: every politician is useless ;-)
[07:28] <penguin42> MrStein: Here you can get DSL pretty much everywhere
[07:28] <Lattyware> MrStein: Heh. Too true, too true.
[07:28] <mbt> penguin42, Yeah, the only thing going for me is that they seem to be crashing in very much a similar way.  Beyond that, I'm stumped.  :-P
[07:28] <MrStein> penguin42: in UK ?
[07:28] <penguin42> MrStein: Yeh
[07:28] <Lattyware> yeah - not good DSL mind.
[07:28] <Lattyware> Still, better than nothing. Just.
[07:29] <Lattyware> Or rather, better than 52k.
[07:29] <penguin42> Lattyware: I can't argue - I'm getting 6Mbps
[07:29] <MrStein> some people use metered ... that sqweeking thing from the stone age. Oh yes, analog modems. Metered per minute.
[07:29] <penguin42> ouch
[07:29] <mbt> MrStein, Holy cow.
[07:30] <Lattyware> penguin42: I should be getting 4mb. I get around 2mb. I get throttled to around 1mb normal, and about 52k speed on torrents.
[07:30] <Vegar> this isn't in the US, is it?
[07:30] <MrStein> mbt: although the state satan, err, telecomonopoly started some packages with "free time" or something lately (10  years too late). I think.
[07:30] <mbt> penguin42, I wouldn't be able to sanitize my profile in the case of the TB trace, so I would have to somehow submit that information privately if they were to accept it that way at all.
[07:31] <penguin42> Lattyware: I don't do torrents; but I know aptitude is getting >300kByte/s to ubuntu's servers so I can't argue
[07:31] <Lattyware> and this is where it gets stupid: $569.00 for the Dell 2407WFP-HC in the US. 445.31 here.
[07:31] <penguin42> mbt: Have you tried asking on a thunderbird irc channel - it sounds you might need something more specialised
[07:32] <MrStein> must go, bye (again)
[07:32] <Lattyware> That's 275ish vs 450. 175 ($350) difference.
[07:32] <penguin42> Lattyware: The pre-vat price is fairly close though isn't it?
[07:32] <mbt> penguin42, What do you mean?
[07:32] <Lattyware> 380?
[07:32] <Lattyware> hardly fairly close
[07:33] <Lattyware> that's still 100 ($200) more.
[07:33] <penguin42> mbt: Try finding one of the mozilla IRC channels where people might know more about thunderbird specifically
[07:33] <penguin42> Lattyware: True
[07:33] <Lattyware> Considering it costs $570 there, $200 is a shitload.
[07:33] <mbt> penguin42, Oh to try to dup the bug w/ a clean profile?  Not a bad idea.
[07:33] <jussi01> !offtopic | Lattyware penguin42
[07:33] <ubotu> Lattyware penguin42: #ubuntu is the Ubuntu support channel, #ubuntu+1 supports the development version of Ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
[07:33] <Lattyware> Sorrt.
[07:34] <Lattyware> *Sorry
[07:35] <mbt> Oh, crud.  Here I am and I meant to go to the Ubuntu LoCo get-together today here.  Oops.  I guess filing bugs is more important.
[07:44] <Matir> mbt: i had forgotten about it too
[07:44] <mbt> Matir, Yeah.  *shrugs*  Perhaps next time.
[07:44] <Absenth> does anyone know if the kernel module for bcm43xx works in gutsy?  it's clearly borked in Feisty
[07:45] <Matir> Absenth, it's pretty spotty on my system
[07:45] <Absenth> Matir: so the ndiswrapper is still likely the preferred way to go.
[07:45] <Absenth> thanks.
[07:48] <tortho> Anyone knows if there is trouble with frequency scaling? Have a laptop which is stuck at low freq with gutsy.
[07:49] <Absenth> "Happy Beastie Squishing" from the tribe 6 url....  but I like freebsd :)
[07:50] <mbt> Any idea when Xorg 7.3 is coming, by the way?
[07:51] <gnomefreak> mbt: not until next release but read the link i give you
[07:52] <gnomefreak> mbt: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3223971#post3223971
[07:53] <mbt> gnomefreak, thanks for the linkage
[07:53] <gnomefreak> yw
[08:00] <naknomik> What packages do I need to pull in to get compiz-fusion on Gutsy (Kubuntu)
[08:02] <gnomefreak> not much of anything TBH but what i did is apt-cache search compiz and installed what looked good most was already installed
[10:10] <martijn> anyone?
[10:10] <martijn> i can't install anything anymore now
[10:13] <jussi01> martijn: have you tried sudo dpkg --configure -a
[10:14] <martijn> yeah
[10:15] <jussi01> have you tried removing the selecte problematic packages?
[10:16] <martijn> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37561/
[10:17] <jussi01> martijn: try sudo dpkg -r ntfs-3g libpam0g (warning - this _may_ break your system, but I dont think so)
[10:19] <martijn> i do not think remove libpam0g is a good way to go, lol http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37563/
[10:20] <VousDeux> Okay, on a separate note...the power manager keeps switching back and forth between power and battery mode. One minute everything will look just find, then battery icon will turn grey and it will start flapping.
[10:21] <VousDeux> I have checked all of the wire connections, and even plugged into my UPS
[10:22] <martijn> jussi01: sudo dpkg -r ntfs-3g libpam0g got me http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37564/
[10:22] <VousDeux> how can I know for sure whether something is wrong with the power manager, or the actual power.
[10:22] <VousDeux> I even tried a different battery...I have a 9-cell and a 6-cell
[10:22] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux does your laptop have an LED on it that shows when you're plugged in?
[10:22] <cps1966> sounds like software noy hardware
[10:23] <jussi01> martijn: you have a weird issue..
[10:23] <VousDeux> I am running tribe 5 x86-64
[10:23] <d4rkmonkey> cus if that turns off too, its probably something with actual power...
[10:23] <jussi01> martijn: that I dont know how to fix. sorry
[10:23] <martijn> nevermind, i wait a few days and reinstall to see what will fis this
[10:23] <VousDeux> ahh, good point...lemme check it out
[10:24] <martijn> thanks for your help though!
[10:25] <IntuitiveNipple> VousDeux: What make/model is the PC?
[10:25] <VousDeux> it's an MSI 1719
[10:27] <IntuitiveNipple> I've seens a few instances of ACPI having your symptoms, but none strong enough to pin-down so far. Mostly, one of the updates clears the issue before we find out the cause
[10:27] <VousDeux> http://www.msicomputer.com/NB/product_spec.asp?model=MS-1719
[10:27] <IntuitiveNipple> thank-you. I'll take a look
[10:28] <VousDeux> I turned off the power manager, now I'm not sure how to start it again
[10:29] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Preferences > Sessions > Startup Programs ?
[10:29] <IntuitiveNipple> which CPU does your model have?
[10:30] <VousDeux> T7300
[10:31] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux well nm-applet starts up the network manager...
[10:31] <VousDeux> There is an LED. It turns off when I unplug the power. I'll keep an eye on it.
[10:32] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux try running gnome-power-manager to start it back up?
[10:32] <VousDeux> oh, I should have mentioned Kubuntu
[10:32] <d4rkmonkey> kde-power-manager ?
[10:33] <VousDeux> ahh....OK
[10:33] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[10:33] <d4rkmonkey> I'm not sure if it works though..
[10:33] <d4rkmonkey> I just turned off my power manager and running gnome-power-manager didn't put it back! lol
[10:33] <VousDeux> no, that didn't work
[10:33] <VousDeux> hehe
[10:33] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm thinking you need to file a bug-report, and attach the ACPI DSDT amongst the other reports requested
[10:34] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux gnome-power-statistics turned it back on for me, maybe search for a kde power manager?
[10:34] <VousDeux> yeah, I'm trying google now
[10:35] <d4rkmonkey> VousDeux you could just try putting in kde-power then double tapping tab and see what comes up too...
[10:35] <d4rkmonkey> not sure if that will work though
[10:35] <VousDeux> well, if I could just get this power manager fired back up...I could monitor the hardware LED while it's flapping :)
[10:36] <d4rkmonkey> Yeah, good luck with that :) I gotta go now though
[10:36] <VousDeux> well, I'm gonna restart X and see if the power manager comes back
[10:38] <IntuitiveNipple> VousDeux: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingACPI
[10:39] <VousDeux> thanks, I'll have a look
[10:39] <IntuitiveNipple> there's not much there I'm afraid.
[10:40] <IntuitiveNipple> I had the same issue a while back on a Sony Vaio but it cleared up after one of the updates
[10:40] <VousDeux> When I restarted X, the battery said about half initially, but it has the power bolt on top too...the display was dimmed, then the battery icon quickly drained...then went back to full.
[10:41] <VousDeux> Next, the popup said the power was back, then battery again. The hardware LED did not change.
[10:41] <VousDeux> It's just being goofy.
[10:42] <cps1966> get all the updates
[10:42] <VousDeux> hmmm...well I have all of the updates for now
[10:43] <VousDeux> it was doing it on Feisty too.
[10:43] <cps1966> then you dont have herd5
[10:43] <VousDeux> herd5?
[10:43] <VousDeux> I have tribe 5.
[10:43] <cps1966> no you dont if your upto date
[10:44] <VousDeux> I've updated twice since I installed from live CD yesterday
[10:44] <VousDeux> cps1966, you're not making any sense to me, I have no clue what you are talking about
[10:45] <cps1966> if your upto date then its past tribe 6
[10:45] <VousDeux> oh, you are saying that since I have updated I no longer have tribe 5?
[10:45] <VousDeux> I get it now :)
[10:45] <cps1966> i habe tribe 6 installed and updated so its past tribe 6
[10:45] <VousDeux> I had to turn that power manager off again...annoying
[10:46] <cps1966> no need for it if you have ac pluged in
[10:46] <VousDeux> so, it's best to just say I have Gutsy?
[10:46] <cps1966> yes
[10:46] <VousDeux> Okay
[10:47] <cps1966> hint remove all old kernels and headers you dont need
[10:47] <cps1966> apt-get autoremove
[10:47] <VousDeux> what was that command to see what kernel is loaded? rname -l???
[10:47] <cps1966> uname -a
[10:48] <VousDeux> ahhh..,uname, thanks
[10:49] <cps1966> took me and hour to get seamonkey working correctly on this
[10:51] <VousDeux> Okay, I removed all of the 2.6.22.10 stuff, thanks
[10:52] <cps1966> it will work smarter
[10:53] <cps1966> just set up a amd with gforce 8800 gts and dual monitors with beryl was a pain but works now
[10:53] <VousDeux> sheesh, that uname command was right on top of the DebuggingACPI document too...I'll be glad when I am familiar enough to remember some of this stuff
[10:54] <cps1966> took me 7 years to get as far as i am now
[10:54] <VousDeux> yeah, I'm just trying to get all of the hardware working right now...later I can start playing with stuff like that
[10:54] <cps1966> but i have bad menory
[10:54] <VousDeux> well, I'm not a complete noob, but I did just finally decide I've had enough of M$
[10:55] <VousDeux> it was actually Yahoo that pushed me over the edge
[10:55] <cps1966> maybe you should try mint linux its fiesty fawn but all works
[10:56] <VousDeux> no, it doesn't support my hardware much at all
[10:56] <cps1966> really
[10:57] <cps1966> ahh maybe you need to tell it noapic
[10:57] <VousDeux> yeah, all cutting-edge hardware...I'm was prepared to have to struggle when I decided to buy it
[10:58] <cps1966> are you using nvidia drivers yet
[10:58] <VousDeux> I really would like for ACPI to be working...I like the dynamic adjustments it makes, but it will be awhile before this box is ready to travel
[10:59] <VousDeux> no, I'm still on vesa, nvidia drivers aren't up to par yet
[10:59] <cps1966> kinda hard traveling with mine
[10:59] <VousDeux> nVidia is Geforce 8600M-GT
[10:59] <cps1966> 100.14 should support your card
[11:01] <VousDeux> yahoo keeps finding new ways to cram their spyware down your throat. I paid good money for MusicMatch Jukebox, only to have them buy it out and replace it with their own ugly version.
[11:02] <VousDeux> I just got tired of buying software and having it be acquired by a bigger fish that just ruined it
[11:02] <cps1966> hey use pidgin
[11:03] <IntuitiveNipple> MusicMatch was nice in the beginning, but once all the 'extras' were no longer optional and the lifetime upgrade subscription was marginalised, it went right off
[11:03] <VousDeux> I just want to move completely away from M$ eventually. It may take me awhile though.
[11:04] <VousDeux> yeah, I stopped upgrading MusicMatch a long time ago.
[11:05] <VousDeux> I was still using version 8
[11:05] <bur[n] er> winamp 5 got a redesign with its latest beta 5.5.  it's a single window now :)
[11:06] <VousDeux> I stopped upgrading winamp at version 3
[11:06] <cps1966> i liked winamp 2 better
[11:06] <bur[n] er> i like it on windows.  works with all kinds of portable players and what not
[11:06] <bur[n] er> it doesn't compare to amarok or rhythmbox, but those aren't ported to windows yet
[11:07] <VousDeux> I think they should stop porting to windows, it just encourages people to keep using it
[11:08] <Vegar> how do i "add usbcore.autosuspend=1 to the kernel command line in the grub config"?
[11:12] <cps1966> ! usbcore.autosuspend
[11:13] <cps1966> ! usbcore
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about usbcore - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:13] <cps1966> ubotu: Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[11:17] <cps1966> http://www.nabble.com/USB-Problems-with-Ubuntu---workaround-t4260039.html
[11:20] <Vegar> uhm.. what does that mean?
[11:20] <cps1966> wait
[11:20] <cps1966> its broken atm
[11:21] <Vegar> ok
[11:21] <Vegar> what if I make my own kernel?
[11:21] <Vegar> will it still be broken?
[11:21] <cps1966> yes
[11:21] <Vegar> where is the bork then?
[11:21] <cps1966> till 2.6.23 is released
[11:21] <Vegar> ah
[11:21] <Vegar> ok
[11:22] <Vegar> great, thanks
[11:22] <cps1966> its looks like its very close to release
[11:23] <Vegar> yeah
[11:23] <Vegar> RC6
[11:23] <cps1966> 2.6.23-rc6-git5
[11:24] <kondeDrakul> anyone get nvidia tnt2 ?
[11:24] <cps1966> for ???
[11:37] <gnomefreak> anyone happen to notice if thier gdm login screen has a menu or not?
[11:38] <IntuitiveNipple> the greeter? it did last time I logged in :)
[11:38] <gnomefreak> yes
[11:39] <gnomefreak> i dont want to fix it so i need someone else to have issue as well
[11:41] <bur[n] er> it works for me
[11:41] <gnomefreak> great ty for checking
[11:42] <IntuitiveNipple> there is an option to disable ... I noticed it recently when working on the 'no sound at login' issue
[11:42] <gnomefreak> its enabled
[11:42] <IntuitiveNipple> does it believe it though? :p
[11:42] <IntuitiveNipple> sound was enabled... it was ignored though hehehe
[11:44] <Shafto> I just did an install using the alternate CD and now have a problem with metacity no window boreders or anything
[11:44] <gnomefreak> nvidia and compiz?
[11:44] <Shafto> actually that was a waste :)
[11:45] <Shafto> Didnt notice the effects are turned on by default
[11:49] <larson9999> anyone here know if the dell truemobile 1150 works with gutsy?
[11:56] <bur[n] er> larson9999: it's a broadcom chip... it works with the "restricted drivers manager"
[12:48] <mauri> x does not start automatically at the system start up
[12:49] <Solarion> is network-manager being horked a known problem?
[12:49] <penguin42> mauri: Will it start for you later?
[12:50] <mauri> penguin42: sorry i dont understand
[12:50] <penguin42> mauri: You say X doesn;t start automatically at startup; do you mean that you can start it manually or you can't get it to start at all?
[12:51] <mauri> penguin42: after to have inserted my login ad password
[12:51] <mauri> penguin42: I have to type starx
[12:52] <penguin42> mauri: OK, good - that means X works!
[12:52] <penguin42> mauri: mauri: Have you got gdm installed?
[12:53] <mauri> penguin42: oh yes....X works good but it does not start automatically at the prompt
[12:53] <mauri> penguin42: I don't know
[12:53] <penguin42> mauri: dpkg -s gdm|head -2
[12:54] <penguin42> mauri: Does the status line say install ok installed ?
[12:54] <mauri> penguin42: it is not installed
[12:55] <gnomefreak> kdm installed?
[12:55] <mauri> penguin42: it is installed
[12:55] <penguin42> mauri: Which?
[12:56] <mauri> penguin42: kdm is installed
[12:56] <penguin42> hmm so why isn't it starting
[12:56] <gnomefreak> mauri: sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm (than choose it and restart) see if it helps
[12:56] <gnomefreak> penguin42: he had gdm and it was removed maybe?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> i dont think it automaticly changes if you have gnome installed
[12:57] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Yeh possible - I wonder what else is missing; So what starts the gdm/kdm/etc - is there an update-alternatives thing, and some upstart stuff ?
[12:58] <gnomefreak> penguin42: the command i gave lets you choose
[12:58] <AmyRose> Are there any major problems I should be aware of if I upgrade to Gutsy right now? (I want to test)
[12:58] <gnomefreak> AmyRose: yes it might not start
[12:58] <AmyRose> Ah.
[12:58] <gnomefreak> you asked i gav eyou worst possible problem
[12:58] <gnomefreak> anything up to that point as well
[12:58] <penguin42> AmyRose: There are one or two people who can't get it to boot, one or two with video problems; there is a rumour that it eat someones cat; for me it is OK - but you need to know how to fix things if it doesn't
[12:58] <gnomefreak> amd64 kernel will be fixed this week
[12:59] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Fixed in what way?
[12:59] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Seems fine here
[12:59] <AmyRose> gnomefreak: Ah, I'm on the i386 arch
[12:59] <mauri> gnomefreak: sorry. is there a line where the system configures the automatically x starting?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> penguin42: penguin42 there is missing 64 support (there are a few issues it fixes) im on -generic 386 so im not seeing them
[12:59] <gnomefreak> mauri: did you run command i gav eyou?
[12:59] <gnomefreak> gave you*
[01:00] <gnomefreak> mauri: did you choose kdm and hit enter
[01:00] <AmyRose> penguin42: It better not eat my cat! :(
[01:00] <penguin42> AmyRose: Well, it's prerelease - it might!
[01:00] <AmyRose> penguin42: :'(
[01:00] <penguin42> gnomefreak: 64 seems OK here
[01:00] <mauri> gnomefreak: Do i tr to restart the system?
[01:01] <gnomefreak> penguin42: there are a bunch of bugs most with amd64-xen kernel iirc
[01:02] <gnomefreak> mauri: after runnning that command and choosing kdm and it finishes restart
[01:02] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah OK, I haven't tried Xen stuff on here
[01:02] <gnomefreak> penguin42: again i dont use 64 so im not sure exactly but there are a few people asking about fixes for it
[01:03] <gnomefreak> they are applied and will be pushed with kernel update this week
[01:03] <mauri> gnomefreak: sorry ..my question was : Do i turn off the pc and start again kubuntu
[01:04] <gnomefreak> manyes reboot there should be a reboot item in kde menu
[01:04] <gnomefreak> maybe log out and it will give you choice or shut down and it gives you choice
[01:04] <cdm10> Hey, is Pidgin going to be stuck at 2.1.1 in Gutsy because 2.2.0 was released after the upstream version freeze? When wes the upstream version freeze?
[01:04] <gnomefreak> mauri: but yes turn pc off and restart either with reboot or shut down that is up to you
[01:05] <gnomefreak> cdm10: it would need a UVFe file a bug for it
[01:05] <penguin42>  'uvfe' ?
[01:05] <cdm10> gnomefreak: alright, 2.1.1 is okay anyhow.
[01:05] <gnomefreak> cdm10: if big changes not likely to get past
[01:05] <cdm10> 2.1.0 would have sucked
[01:05] <gnomefreak> penguin42: universe freeze exception
[01:05] <cdm10> it had a really really nasty bug
[01:05] <cdm10> gnomefreak: it's in main I think
[01:05] <penguin42> gnomefreak: Ah
[01:05] <gnomefreak> cdm10: it is
[01:06] <cdm10> gnomefreak: anyway, I'm happy with 2.1.1
[01:06] <gnomefreak> cdm10: its not likely to get in anyway but try a bug on it
[01:06] <cdm10> thanks for that info
[01:06] <gnomefreak> since so much crap needs to be built with it not likely
[01:07] <mauri> gnomefreak: may i ask you another symple question?
[01:07] <gnomefreak> yes
[01:08] <penguin42> Do cakes rise in Zero G is a simple question, but I don't know the answer
[01:09] <mauri> gnomefreak: the problem is: the hour in the clock is 03:08 but the system clock and italian time are 01:08
[01:09] <gnomefreak> what one is right?
[01:09] <penguin42> mauri: There is a 'use UTC' tick option on the clock preferences
[01:10] <penguin42> mauri: is .it 2 hours ahead of UT ?
[01:10] <penguin42> hmm or is that the wrong direction?
[01:10] <gnomefreak> penguin42: i cant remember either
[01:10] <gnomefreak> 3 ahead i believe
[01:10] <gnomefreak> 2
[01:10] <gnomefreak> but its been years since i was in italy
[01:12] <mauri> gnomefreak: i don't find utc option...howeever i tried to change the hour but kubuntu chages also the motherboard time
[01:12] <penguin42> ah kubuntu
[01:12] <gnomefreak> mauri: change you time zone not the clock
[01:12] <gnomefreak> mauri: no i cant remember where in kde it is located off hand
[01:12] <gnomefreak> just incase
[01:14] <mauri> gnomefreak: it is already set to rome
[01:15] <mauri> gnomefreak: but it is 2 hours more that the correct time
[01:15] <gnomefreak> mauri: what time is right bios or kde?
[01:15] <mauri> gnomefreak: bios