[12:57] <coreymon77> guys
[12:57] <coreymon77> there is a mistake in the kubuntu faq
[12:57] <gnomefreak> fix it?
[12:57] <gnomefreak> on the wiki?
[12:57] <coreymon77> no
[12:57] <coreymon77> on the faq page
[12:57] <coreymon77> i cant fix it
[12:58] <coreymon77> kubuntu.org/faq.php
[12:58] <coreymon77> there is a mistake on there
[12:58] <coreymon77> and i cant fix it
[12:59] <coreymon77> Riddell: you there
[12:59] <coreymon77> ?
[12:59] <coreymon77> nixternal: hello?
[01:00] <coreymon77> stdin: yo
[01:00] <stdin> I can't fix it, no access
[01:00] <coreymon77> who can?
[01:01] <Riddell> coreymon77: patches welcome
[01:01] <Riddell> I can apply
[01:01] <coreymon77> ???
[01:01] <coreymon77> what do you mean?
[01:01] <Riddell> coreymon77: if you make me a patch I'm happy to apply
[01:01] <Riddell> you can also just tell me what the problem is but patches are easier on my side and I'm on holiday :)
[01:02] <coreymon77> you mean, if i take the html code, correct the mistake then send you the corrected thing?
[01:02] <coreymon77> Riddell: is that what you mena?
[01:02] <coreymon77> mean*
[01:03] <Riddell> coreymon77: send me a diff -u against the original
[01:03] <coreymon77> im on a mac
[01:03] <Riddell> you can do bzr branch http://kubuntu.org if you want to get really fancy
[01:03] <coreymon77> will that work?
[01:03] <Riddell> macs must have diff
[01:03] <coreymon77> its nothing special
[01:04] <coreymon77> a word is just missing from one of the answers which changes the meaning quite drastically
[01:04] <stdin> what's the mistake anyway?
[01:05] <Riddell> so just tell us what the issue is
[01:05] <coreymon77> under the can i sell kubuntu answer
[01:05] <coreymon77> it says you must provide the source code at cost
[01:05] <coreymon77> it should say at no cost
[01:06] <coreymon77> Riddell: you should probably also add the url for feisty source cds to that same answer
[01:07] <coreymon77> it only lists dapper and edgy atm
[01:07] <Riddell> that's not a mistake, it should say "at cost"
[01:07] <coreymon77> why
[01:07] <coreymon77> dont you have to provide it free?
[01:08] <coreymon77> at cost means you have to pay doesnt it?
[01:08] <Riddell> to stop people abusing the system, see GPL 2 3b
[01:08] <Riddell> yes
[01:08] <coreymon77> dont you have to provide the source for free
[01:08] <coreymon77> ?
[01:08] <Riddell> no
[01:08] <coreymon77> isnt that the whole point of the gpl?
[01:09] <Riddell> no point in bankrupting the distributors
[01:09] <Riddell> you can't make a profit from it under 3b
[01:09] <coreymon77> oh
[01:09] <coreymon77> anyways
[01:09] <coreymon77> you should also add the link to feistu source cds to that answer
[01:10] <coreymon77> it only lists dapper and edgy links at the moment
[01:10] <Riddell> fixed
[01:11] <coreymon77> it is?
[01:11] <coreymon77> i dont see it
[01:11] <coreymon77> it still only shows dapper and edgy
[01:11] <stdin> coreymon77: "at cost" means "at the cost of sending the source" ie: through the mail
[01:11] <coreymon77> stdin: oh
[01:13] <Riddell> hmm, guess it's behind a proxy, it should update soon
[01:46] <Riddell> mhb: I'm getting kdebase failing to compile, did you get that when testing your patch?
[01:46] <Riddell> it doesn't seem to be related to your patch
[02:21] <coreymon77> Riddell: how long does that stuff take to update?
[02:21] <coreymon77> Riddell: it still hasnt changed
[02:23] <Riddell> coreymon77: it's changed for me
[02:24] <coreymon77> Riddell: i dont see anything, under the can i sell it question, it still only lists dapper an edgy links
[02:25] <nixternal> all you need to do is make sure the file you are trying to read with an fstream >> is in the correct directory :)
[02:26] <nixternal> clear your cache and then look
[02:27] <nixternal> it looks good to me :)
[02:27] <nixternal> what is the status of the new site btw? I am available to lend a hand like I said before..but haven't heard much about it
[02:28] <Riddell> no change that I know of
[02:28] <Riddell> mhb or kwwii might know more
[02:33] <nixternal> roger that
[02:35] <Riddell> it's not a bzr thing
[03:09] <ryanakca> thanks mhb, gnomefreak, coreymon77 :)
[03:09] <ryanakca> hehe, lucky me, software freedom day on my birthday :D
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: yes
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: but in a totally different place
[10:38] <mhb> Riddell: AFAIK, there was a function completely defined in a .h file which kind of messed things up
[10:39] <mhb> Riddell: moving it to the .cpp file fixed the problem for me
[10:39] <mhb> Riddell: not sure if that is what you are getting
[04:31] <ryanakca> mhb: ping, the czech keyboard, how do you guys do the accents? altgr-something letter?
[04:31] <ryanakca> (currently... there is no french keyboard remotely simillar to the english one
[04:40] <mhb> ryanakca: we have the accents instead of the numbers
[04:40] <mhb> ryanakca: accented characters, that is
[04:40] <mhb> ryanakca: when you shift+number, you get the number
[04:40] <ryanakca> Ah, nevermind then :)
[04:42] <mhb> ryanakca: we have just two
[04:42] <ryanakca> really?
[04:42] <ryanakca> wow
[04:42] <mhb>  and 
[04:44] <ryanakca> hmm... last one didn't draw... I guess it's the trema/two points above the O? or is in an inverted caret? *goes to look for czech text on some labels*
[04:44] <mhb> ryanakca: the first one is like this:  and the other one like this: 
[04:45] <mhb> what do you need that for?
[04:47] <mhb> ah, right.
[04:49] <ryanakca> Oh, I see it now (irssi didn't display the last one in a VT)... cool :)
[04:50] <marseillai> a question please : in kde4 package  wich on contain dolphin? i would like to apply a patch tab to it
[04:51] <mhb> marseillai: isn't it in kdebase?
[04:51] <marseillai> mhb: perhaps i'm downloading it
[04:51] <marseillai> but i was looking for a confirmation
[04:51] <marseillai> .... i'll have to build all kdebase :(
[04:51] <ryanakca> kde4base
[04:52] <ryanakca> first one on http://packages.ubuntu.com/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=kde4base&version=gutsy&arch=i386
[04:52] <marseillai> thanks ryanakca
[04:52] <marseillai> :(
[04:52] <ryanakca> marseillai: upload it to your PPA :) takes half the time to build it there compared to here, even with the wait for it to get built
[04:53] <marseillai> mmmmmmm good idea
[04:53] <Hobbsee> but do check that teh patches, etc, apply frist
[04:54] <marseillai> ryanakca: could you tell me how to use ppa? i've heard about it but during the last four month i was a little afk (girl friend living with me)
[04:54] <marseillai> Hobbsee: of course! :)
[04:55] <ryanakca> Umm... part of the launchpad beta testers team?
[04:55] <Hobbsee> i didnt think you had to be part of the beta team now
[04:55] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: wee :)
[04:56] <ryanakca> marseillai: ok, go to your launchpad page, on the left under karma/edit homepage/etc, theres something about ppa (bottom of the collumn)
[04:56] <marseillai> see it will read
[05:02] <marseillai> yeah we still need to be launchpad-beta-tester
[05:10] <Riddell> mhb: I tried your konsole patch but didn't see much difference when using gdebi
[05:11] <Riddell> mhb: I'll upload it but not close the bug until someone confirms it helps
[05:11] <Riddell> mhb: and of course it needs to be backported to feisty for the upgrader
[05:11] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmm. doesn't kubuntu members have a ppa? and would marseillai be able to use it?
[05:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: we have a ppa
[05:11] <Riddell> I suspect only launchpad beta users can use it
[05:11] <Riddell> although he should be able to become a beta user easily enough
[05:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i would think so - worht trying
[05:12] <marseillai> Riddell: i'm building a kde4 dolphin with tab support
[05:12] <Riddell> tab?
[05:12] <marseillai> yes
[05:13] <marseillai> for navigation
[05:13] <Riddell> a diretory view for each tab?
[05:13] <marseillai> yes
[05:13] <Riddell> hmm, send us a screenshot when you have it :)
[05:13] <marseillai> if no tab is open there is no difference beetween this one and normal dolphin
[05:13] <ryanakca> Hmm... anybody feel like testing a possible X.Org+KDE bug?
[05:14] <marseillai> when two tab are open there is only a "close tab" button
[05:14] <ryanakca> add 'intl' to XkbVariants under the keyboard section in xorg.conf, restart X, and try going ctrl-alt-F[1-7]  ?
[05:15] <ryanakca> Also, KMenu doesn't go down/hide after you open it & pick a menu item
[05:16] <ryanakca> s/XkbVariants/XkbVariant
[05:19] <marseillai> Riddell: http://kneuse.110mb.com/images/test.html
[05:19] <marseillai> it's an old version
[05:20] <marseillai> now when only one tab is open when don't see anything
[05:20] <Riddell> marseillai: how do you add a tab?
[05:20] <Riddell> marseillai: is this in trunk?
[05:20] <marseillai> kde4base will take time for me
[05:20] <marseillai> no not in trunk
[05:21] <marseillai> and there is a open/close tab button
[05:44] <mhb> Riddell: you mean gdebi is still crashing for you
[05:44] <mhb> ?
[05:44] <mhb> with the qgvector.cpp error?
[05:54] <Riddell> mhb: no, but it's using the same amount of memory
[05:54] <Riddell> mhb: but I'm not at home now, I can't test it properly
[05:56] <mhb> Riddell: is it using an insane amount?
[05:56] <mhb> Riddell: that may be a separate bug - what I tried is to make it work without the "qgvector.cpp" error, which it does on my old machine...
[05:57] <Riddell> no, not an insane amount
[05:57] <Riddell> I'll test it more when I've got time (which might not be for a few days)
[05:57] <Riddell> I've uploaded for now
[05:59] <mhb> Riddell: keep in mind that my diff is not a proper patch, just a difference between 3.5.5 and 3.5.7 ... there must have been a reason why the code changed, and I hope we have not reopened another konsole bug
[06:19] <vprints> mhb, does kde's restricted manager use translation strings from restricted-manager package ?
[07:31] <mhb> vprints: yes
[07:31] <mhb> vprints: but I am not sure if the translation file is in the GNOME or KDE translation pack
[07:31] <mhb> vprints: or in some common package
[07:32] <vprints> there seems to be only one package for it
[07:32] <vprints> but since there in no earch in LP, i can't be sure
[07:35] <mhb> vprints: yes, there is only one translation template in LP
[07:35] <mhb> vprints: that is correct
[07:35] <vprints> good, thankyou
[07:35] <mhb> vprints: the problem is, if the .mo file will be shipped in language-pack-gnome
[07:35] <mhb> vprints: then KDE folks won't have the app translated unless they download the GNOME translations too
[07:35] <mhb> vprints: someone has to ask mvo (preferably via #ubuntu-devel) if he can fix that
[07:36] <mhb> vprints: could you perhaps do that? Ask him if he can move the .mo file into the language pack common to both KDE and GNOME?
[07:36] <mhb> thanks
[07:36] <vprints> mhb, sure, thanks
[07:36] <mhb> vprints: I would ask him myself, but my internet time will be limited next week
[07:37] <mhb> vprints: and it's Sunday today, so little chance of catching him
[07:41] <vprints> Noted that down, will do
[10:03] <marseillai> Riddell: ? i have a debdiff of kde4base to add tab support to dolphin it's not finish yet (drag and drop feature between tad is missing)
[10:04] <marseillai> could i send it to you because i can't build kde4base on this computer! so perhaps you could send it to PPA ...
[10:06] <Riddell> marseillai: is there a reason why the code isn't in trunk yet?
[10:06] <mhb> Riddell: they don't want it there, haven't you seen the flamewars?
[10:07] <marseillai> Riddell: yes the dolphin's dev don't want this feature! they are saying tab is a power user feature and split view is not
[10:07] <mhb> marseillai: well, I think you shouldn't try to bypass the original developers
[10:08] <marseillai> mhb: in fact i would like to test this patch and to have a user point of view
[10:09] <marseillai> mhb: Riddell http://kneuse.110mb.com/images/test.html
[10:12] <Riddell> I suspect I agree with them
[10:12] <mhb> I think it's great to have a PPA package of Dolphin with tabs
[10:13] <mhb> so people who like tabs can have them
[10:13] <mhb> but we shouldn't really bypass upstream in this case
[10:14] <marseillai> i agree with mhb
[10:15] <marseillai> so anyway here is my debdiff : ftp://marseillai.homelinux.org/dolphintab.debdiff
[10:18] <mhb> marseillai: you can do the PPA by yourself
[10:18] <marseillai> mhb: done but i need to be launchpad beta tester
[10:18] <marseillai> and i've not been accept yet
[10:18] <Riddell> ask mrevell tomorrow
[10:48] <Riddell> Breuil Cyril about?
[10:49] <Riddell> ah, it's marseillai :)
[10:49] <marseillai> :)
[10:49] <marseillai> yes
[10:49] <marseillai> it's me
[10:49] <marseillai> why that ?
[10:49] <Riddell> just saw your PPA reject notice
[10:50] <marseillai> why did you receive it ?
[10:51] <Riddell> I'm the Maintainer: I guess
[10:51] <marseillai> oki