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| m1ke | apt package manager appears to be broken. It fails to completely update,and I get the same error daily for this last week. http://www1.uploadhut.com/viewimage.php?type=2&id=23369-Screenshot-synaptic.png | 03:45 |
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| stdin | everything seems fine here | 03:47 |
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| m1ke | apt package manager appears to be broken. It fails to completely update,and I get the same error daily for this last week. Then it always wants me to reboot my computer, but the problem is never fixed. http://www1.uploadhut.com/viewimage.php?type=2&id=23369-Screenshot-synaptic.png | 03:53 |
| stdin | m1ke: this isn't a support channel | 04:01 |
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| geser | Mithrandir: can you please move cdrecord, mkisofs and cdda2wav (build now from cdrtools in multiverse) to multiverse. Thanks. | 11:27 |
| enyc | geser: at least you know who ta ask ;-) | 11:28 |
| enyc | geser: ?where do i find the information on why packages are in multiverse/restricted [licensing notes] ? | 11:29 |
| pochu | /usr/share/doc/$package/copyright | 11:30 |
| geser | it's usually because of the license which is also included in the copyright file | 11:30 |
| enyc | i see ;-) | 11:30 |
| enyc | thankyou ;-) | 11:30 |
| enyc | hrrm that is in binary pkg... can I find copyright in source pkg too? | 11:30 |
| pochu | yes, in debian/copyright | 11:31 |
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| geser | Hi pitti :) | 11:31 |
| geser | pitti: can you please move cdrecord, mkisofs and cdda2wav (build now from cdrtools in multiverse) to multiverse. Thanks. | 11:31 |
| enyc | geser: i can see a snag here......... | 11:32 |
| geser | enyc: the binary debs have the same copyright file as the source package, you can get both also from packages.ubuntu.com | 11:33 |
| enyc | geser: when somebody had dapper/edgy... they have mkisofs. when they install feisty a "dep" pagkae installs the genisoimage replacement, leaving a dummy mkisofs package there too.... | 11:34 |
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| pitti | hey geser | 11:34 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | hi | 11:34 |
| pitti | geser: oh, aren't they? the ones in main should be the transitional packages from cdrkit | 11:35 |
| enyc | geser: then if they upgrade to gutsy.... they end up with old mkisofs-multiverse on account of 'upgrading' the mkisofs package [??] | 11:35 |
| enyc | pitti: they were... in feisty... however multiverse now has cdrtools there... | 11:36 |
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| pitti | geser: I had a long discussion about this with siretart yesterday, and it was not an easy decision | 11:36 |
| pitti | geser: done | 11:36 |
| enyc | pitti: seems that cdrtools license changed and the original author is getting annoyed about the forked genisoimage/wodim/etc... mess ;-) | 11:37 |
| enyc | pitti: whats happened? | 11:37 |
| pitti | enyc: right, but the license has always been like that | 11:37 |
| enyc | pitti: i actially have a 'confusing' email from schilly (cdrtools author) in reply to a bug i replied in etc... ;-) | 11:38 |
| pitti | enyc: but cdrkit is not maintained any more, so we want to provide the original cdrtools in multiverse | 11:38 |
| enyc | pitti: "like that" ? | 11:38 |
| pitti | enyc: license-wise | 11:38 |
| enyc | pitti: im confused | 11:38 |
| enyc | pitti: "like that" not defined in enyc | 11:38 |
| pitti | enyc: I don't know the older licenses precisely, but the current cdrtools license is not free | 11:39 |
| enyc | [ok] | 11:39 |
| pitti | enyc: it was in source new, and I reviewed it, so it put it in multiverse | 11:39 |
| geser | iirc cdrkit was forked from cdrtools as it still was all GPL | 11:40 |
| enyc | pitti: i am now concerned there is an upgrade-path-problem for people who upgrade from edgy>feisty>gutsy ... as edgy>feisty proaly leaves "mkisofs" dummy pkg there, having installed "genisoimage" ... if they upgrade to gutsy... they then may "upgrade" mkisofs to multiverse-mkisofs [?] | 11:41 |
| pitti | enyc: right, but only if they have multiverse enabled | 11:42 |
| pitti | enyc: if they do, they most probably want it (since it's better hw-support-wise), and if they don't have multiverse, they won't have an upgrade problem either | 11:42 |
| pitti | geser: right, but forked from an ancient branch | 11:43 |
| enyc | pitti: [ok] | 11:43 |
| enyc | pitti: thankyou for comments ;-) | 11:43 |
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| StevenK | Isn't the current cdrecord and co using the OpenSolaris license because Shilly touches himself over OpenSolaris? | 11:51 |
| geser | yes, it's a mix of GPL and CDDL | 11:52 |
| Fujitsu | Ooh, special. | 11:52 |
| StevenK | That's it, CDDL | 11:52 |
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| siretart | hi | 12:04 |
| siretart | pitti: I've uploaded a new cdrkit package earlier today dropping the transitional packages. the override entries for 'cdrecord' 'mkisofs' and 'cdda2wav' need updating | 12:05 |
| pitti | siretart: thanks, I saw | 12:05 |
| pitti | siretart: that'll still be an issue for LTS->LTS upgrades, though | 12:06 |
| pitti | siretart: people who don't have multiverse enabled won't auto-upgrade to cdrkit now | 12:06 |
| siretart | pitti: perhaps we can a bof in boston about that | 12:06 |
| siretart | because it's a matter of what we actually want | 12:06 |
| siretart | StevenK: the current cdrtools is highly delicous. in the end, it seems to be okay for sun's lawyers. pitti and I agreed that the license is very likely to be okay for multiverse, and we both agree that it isn't for universe | 12:08 |
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| siretart | pitti: btw, there are indeed file conflicts in the mkisofs/icedax packages for cdda2ogg. I think I'm changing the packages to use alternatives, with cdrtools at a higher priority. I'll look into it this evening | 12:11 |
| pitti | siretart: thanks | 12:11 |
| pygi | siretart, meh, problems again? :) | 12:19 |
| pygi | enyc, in the end, solution is to use neither cdrkit or cdrtools :D | 12:20 |
| enyc | pygi: ;-) | 12:22 |
| pygi | I'm serious, you know :p | 12:23 |
| enyc | pitti: i didnt know there were plans for LTS>LTS upgrades | 12:23 |
| pitti | enyc: we won't support apt-get dist-upgrade, but using update-manager should work | 12:24 |
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| StevenK | pitti: But dapper doesn't have update-manager for servers. | 12:47 |
| pitti | StevenK: we'll have to upload it to dapper-updates, I think (same as we did for edgy) | 12:47 |
| pitti | StevenK: "it" == update-manager-core | 12:48 |
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| StevenK | Does that give a command line client? | 12:48 |
| pitti | yes | 12:48 |
| StevenK | Way cool. | 12:48 |
| StevenK | Perhaps we should target that for dapper.2? | 12:48 |
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| ompaul | is sladen in the house? | 12:59 |
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| attunix | How do I make a usplash? | 02:06 |
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| Whoopie | mjg59: Hi, would it be possible to get the hardware mixer and software mixer on Thinkpads in sync? | 02:26 |
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| AnAnt | Hello, is there a problem with LP ? I can't login using Firefox. When I try elinks, I can login, but I can't post ! | 02:41 |
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| mxq | hi everyone | 02:49 |
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| mxq | im trying to use metacity and gtk theme from ubuntu studio in arch linux everything is ok, except the colour of hilighted metacity buttons i copied themes from /usr/share/themes is there something more i should do? if you could give me direction where i could look. | 02:51 |
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| zul | mxq you might want to talk to the ubuntu-studio folks | 02:55 |
| mxq | i asked them but didnt get an answer | 02:56 |
| mxq | i asked also gtk+, gnome-uk, ubuntu-pl, | 02:57 |
| mxq | and archlinux.pl | 02:57 |
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| terlmann | does the archive you distribute called linux.2.6.22.tat.bz2 contain the 2.6.22 performace patch ? | 03:00 |
| mxq | terlmann: you asking me? | 03:01 |
| terlmann | and if I unzip 2.6.23 files and |patch them into it, will that break the source ? | 03:01 |
| terlmann | no , anyone here | 03:01 |
| mxq | sorry | 03:01 |
| terlmann | you guys to distribute this stuff ;-) | 03:02 |
| terlmann | do* | 03:02 |
| terlmann | and do I need to copy my patch .tar.bz2 files into the usr/src/linux dir or do I untar them from the /usr/src dir ? will patch put the patches into the correct place ? | 03:04 |
| terlmann | I guess it will | 03:05 |
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| pochu | is the sync tool working again? | 03:41 |
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| geser | pochu: you mean bug #139550? | 03:53 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 139550 in soyuz "sync-source.py broke: column "published" does not exist " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139550 | 03:53 |
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| pochu | geser: looks like | 03:56 |
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| geser | Hi Hobbsee | 03:57 |
| Hobbsee | hi geser | 04:00 |
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| sladen | ompaul: sladen is /always/ in the house. | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | sladen! | 05:07 |
| ompaul | sladen, :) you got mail | 05:07 |
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| sladen | ompaul: coo, lucky me. what's a happening | 05:10 |
| ompaul | sladen, not a lot | 05:10 |
| sladen | ompaul: which email box, I'm wonder where it's been filtered to? | 05:10 |
| ompaul | ahh sladen.org | 05:11 |
| sladen | hello Hobbsee, is it dark in Australia yet? | 05:11 |
| Hobbsee | sladen: long dark. | 05:11 |
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| ompaul | sladen, they are +9 on londonium | 05:13 |
| === ompaul wonders where sladen is | ||
| Hobbsee | sladen: it's 1.14am here | 05:14 |
| sladen | ompaul: halfway between Gtenburg and Stockholm on the train. About 3 hours away from tollef and simira's place if I wasn't trying to catch this ferry | 05:16 |
| ompaul | k | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | nice :) | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | sladen: say hi to them fo rme :P | 05:17 |
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| pygi | siretart, around? | 05:38 |
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| ompaul | LaserJock, in support of twm :) | 06:04 |
| LaserJock | heh, perhaps ;-) | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | rkward has this in their .desktop: Exec=konsole -e rkward -caption "%c" %i | 06:05 |
| LaserJock | so not only does it have to be started with a terminal, that termial has to be konsole | 06:05 |
| poningru | heh | 06:05 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | does anyone how how i could build (a debian package) of rutilt? i think the Makefile is somehow special... when i dpkg-buildpackage it, it tries to remove files in /usr/share and also tries to create such files | 06:10 |
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| Hobbsee | Kopfgeldjaeger: #ubuntu-motu for universe packages. i think norsetto recently uploaded it | 06:12 |
| Kopfgeldjaeger | oh, cool, thanks | 06:13 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, are you sure about rkward bug? | 06:13 |
| bluekuja | usually it's not a good thing to modify makefiles directly | 06:13 |
| bluekuja | without a patch | 06:13 |
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| bluekuja | if there's no patch system, it can be easily added for next patches too | 06:14 |
| LaserJock | we use minimal delta | 06:15 |
| LaserJock | there's no real reason to add a patch system there, IMO | 06:15 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, yeah, but working on a makefile directly that way is bad | 06:15 |
| bluekuja | with an automake call everything will be deleted | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | he modified Makefile.am | 06:16 |
| bluekuja | yea | 06:16 |
| LaserJock | that should be fine | 06:16 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, I trust you then | 06:16 |
| bluekuja | that's fair enough | 06:17 |
| LaserJock | well, why would that be a problem? | 06:17 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, had a bad experience on one of my packages on debian for it | 06:17 |
| bluekuja | so wanted to have a clear vision of it | 06:18 |
| LaserJock | well, I don't think the makefile.am should be touched during build or anything | 06:18 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, by running automake | 06:18 |
| bluekuja | the modified file will be makefile.in | 06:19 |
| bluekuja | am I right? | 06:19 |
| bluekuja | I mean final output | 06:19 |
| LaserJock | right | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | and then a ./configure should give you a Makefile | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | geser: dude, it's a weekend. file a bug, dont expect the archive guys to be around to do your bidding. | 06:20 |
| Hobbsee | oh, he was there. | 06:20 |
| LaserJock | bluekuja: so modifying Makefile.am shouldn't be a problem | 06:21 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, so the makefile changes everytime | 06:21 |
| bluekuja | at configure run | 06:21 |
| bluekuja | of course | 06:21 |
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| LaserJock | yes, modifying a Makefile when there's autotools stuff that's gonna wipe it out is not good | 06:22 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, exactly | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | but in this case a patch isn't going to do anything | 06:22 |
| [miles] | hi, can anyone tell me which channel is best to ask about packaging building questions please? | 06:22 |
| jdong | elmo: yo, you around? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3374712 seems like forum server is somehow tripping an odd firewall alert for some users? | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | if you patch the Makefile it's gonna do the same thing | 06:22 |
| desrt | [miles] ; probably #ubuntu-motu | 06:22 |
| LaserJock | patch system vs. no patch system isn't going to change that | 06:22 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, yeah, was confused with second option | 06:23 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, thanks for this clarification | 06:25 |
| elmo | jdong: err | 06:25 |
| elmo | jdong: those are just reply packets and a very broken piece of software that's false alarming over nothing | 06:25 |
| jdong | I'm looking at this silly arno-iptables script and seeing what rule matches that message... | 06:25 |
| jdong | elmo: I suspected something that simple | 06:26 |
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| [miles] | ah ok thanks desrt | 06:27 |
| jdong | elmo: alright thanks, got it handled | 06:28 |
| elmo | jdong: cool, thanks | 06:28 |
| elmo | jdong: FWIW, we get this a lot with archive.ubuntu.com too :( | 06:28 |
| jdong | elmo: the iptalbes rule responsible seems plain nonsensical to me | 06:28 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, I asked him to upload a new debdiff | 06:29 |
| bluekuja | with terminal=true | 06:29 |
| bluekuja | and that's all | 06:29 |
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| bluekuja | LaserJock, is that ok for you? | 06:30 |
| LaserJock | yeah, if it works | 06:31 |
| bluekuja | LaserJock, ok | 06:31 |
| bluekuja | gonna tell him to test it before | 06:31 |
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| pygi | new Gnomebaker released :P | 07:56 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | Does anyone know how user-created Gnome menus (alacarte) are linked to their Applications? The application desktop files don't have a "Category" key like system desktop config files do | 08:05 |
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| LaserJock | IntuitiveNipple: I believe they are hard-coded into the applications.menu | 08:13 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | what are? | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | the category | 08:13 |
| LaserJock | i.e. the .desktops are explictly added to the category you want | 08:14 |
| IntuitiveNipple | The files for the custom-created directory and the application desktop files are in ~/.local/share/... but I can't see how gnome associates the application with the menu | 08:14 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Yes, I know, but these alacarte-created application desktop files don't have a Category key - I can't see how they are being placed in the custom menu as a result :) | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | IntuitiveNipple: the applications.menu are in ~/.config/menus/ | 08:15 |
| LaserJock | IntuitiveNipple: I'm saying that .desktops are expeclicity added to the applications.menu file | 08:16 |
| LaserJock | *explicitly | 08:16 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Ahhh! nice one, thanks! I thought from reading the gnome docs it scanned the directories and built the menus by merging based on the files, I didn't see anything describing the ~/.config/menus/applications.menu | 08:17 |
| IntuitiveNipple | mucho gracias - I've been puzzling over that so I can but all the KVM/QEMU apps and links to virtual images in one place | 08:18 |
| IntuitiveNipple | And people reckon Windows is convoluted! :) | 08:18 |
| LaserJock | so you want to ship menu modifications? | 08:19 |
| IntuitiveNipple | No... I want to put all my QEMU related stuff in one place (Qemu-launcher, qemuctl) etc | 08:20 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I had a "Virtual Machines" custom menu folder with the virtual machines in, wanted to pull everything into there | 08:21 |
| LaserJock | ah | 08:22 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | So all I need to do is make a copy of the installed system desktop config file in the ~/.local/share/... and then reference it in ~/.config/menus/applications.menu ? | 08:24 |
| LaserJock | well, why don't you just use alacarte? | 08:24 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | This all began when I was trying to 'drag' an application from 'Accessories' to the custom menu folder and it won't do it, so I set out to find out how it all works | 08:30 |
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| IntuitiveNipple | I prefer playing around with the XML; I learn more although it's more stressful :) | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | yeah, and you can mess up your menus :-) | 08:31 |
| LaserJock | but it can be fun | 08:31 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I don't mind, they are the least of my concerns! | 08:32 |
| IntuitiveNipple | I'm building a whole bunch of virtual machines for easier beta-testing now I've hacked the BIOS/NVRAM and enabled hardware VT, so its all good fun | 08:33 |
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| LaserJock | that sounds nice | 08:41 |
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| mjg59 | Well, it deals with some stupid number of unhappy people | 08:42 |
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| LaserJock | I just use what I'm given | 08:45 |
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| Husio | hello | 08:52 |
| Husio | I have simple question about bazaar: If I've just merged some files and I don't want to commit changes of that merge.. what should I do? | 08:53 |
| gnomefreak | Husio: just commit them locally | 08:54 |
| gnomefreak | Husio: dont push them | 08:54 |
| gnomefreak | Husio: you can use bzr uncommit <#> at any time, when using bzr bd is really only time you need to commit but that still doesnt mean push | 08:55 |
| Husio | ok, thanks :) | 08:55 |
| gnomefreak | bzr merge than fix conflicts than bzr resolve | 08:55 |
| gnomefreak | that should fix issues than just bzr commit if you plan on building with bzr bd | 08:55 |
| Husio | heh, another bug or I've done something wrong :> | 08:56 |
| gnomefreak | Husio: best place for bzr is #bzr, i just use it alot more than i wish i did | 08:58 |
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| siretart | has the publisher been stopped? I'm waiting for over 3 hours for a confirmation of my latest 2 uploads... | 10:39 |
| pygi | siretart, gnomebaker with cdrkit support is out | 10:40 |
| pygi | but I see ubuntu is recommending cdrtools now xD | 10:40 |
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| siretart | pygi: it is? | 10:45 |
| pygi | siretart, that's what I gather from recent happenings and mails in my inbox =) | 10:45 |
| siretart | aha | 10:46 |
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| pygi | but oh well | 10:48 |
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| Riddell | siretart: "IOError: [Errno 13] Permission denied: '/srv/launchpad.net/ubuntu-security-queue/incoming/.lock'" looks a bit broken | 10:59 |
| siretart | Riddell: oh. I assume that no reupload is necessary then, right? | 11:00 |
| Riddell | siretart: shouldn't be | 11:00 |
| siretart | ok. thanks for notice! | 11:00 |
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| LaserJock | with the new default directories is it possible to turn some off? | 11:28 |
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| LaserJock | like I don't need Public and Templates | 11:28 |
| alex-weej | it's occurred to me that apport hasn't caught a crash for donkeys | 11:33 |
| alex-weej | is there some setting to get it to catch segfaults? | 11:34 |
| `23meg | LaserJock, http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/xdg-user-dirs says you can turn the whole thing off, or change the names of the dirs | 11:35 |
| `23meg | but it may be outdated; take a look at the config files | 11:36 |
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| ashridah | Hey. Testing out the packages for pidgin 2.2 that just went into gutsy. It won't allow msn or gtalk protocols to work, because of a missing SSL library, but i can't see which ssl library it'd be referring to, since libssl is installed, and nothing's suggested. known? | 11:47 |
| ashridah | aha, seems to require nss | 11:49 |
| pochu | maybe libnss3-0d | 11:49 |
| ashridah | yeah, that's not it, that's installed. | 11:50 |
| ashridah | ldd /usr/lib/purple-2/ssl-nss.so is referring to packages that are in firefox, but aren't in the linker path | 11:50 |
| ashridah | so, libnss3.so => not found, libsmime3.so => not found libssl3.so => not found libsoftokn3.so => not found | 11:51 |
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| ashridah | yep, using export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/lib/firefox/ worked, so something's changed in firefox or something, it would appear | 11:52 |
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| ashridah | hrm, no, that hasn't changed in a while, just pidgin not finding them | 11:53 |
| === ashridah files bug | ||
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| pygi | siretart, ping! | 12:02 |
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| `23meg | ashridah, are you sure it's pidgin 2.2? it's just out and isn't in Gutsy as far as I can see | 12:10 |
| ashridah | hm. | 12:12 |
| ashridah | actually, i may well have picked up a version from some other repo | 12:13 |
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| ashridah | haha. yep. oops :) | 12:14 |
| ashridah | thought i'd taken that out ages ago | 12:14 |
| Chipzz | version of pidgin in gutsy is 1:2.1.1-2ubuntu2 | 12:16 |
| Chipzz | ashridah: you can check by doing apt-cache policy pidgin | 12:16 |
| ashridah | hm, didn't know that one. | 12:16 |
| ashridah | yeah, i'm dropping the foreign pidgin now | 12:17 |
| ashridah | mm. bug's gone | 12:22 |
| `23meg | FFe bug to get 2.2 in Gutsy: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pidgin/+bug/139686 | 12:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 139686 in pidgin "Pidgin 2.2.0 in Gutsy" [Undecided,New] | 12:24 |
| `23meg | you may want to help with testing | 12:25 |
| ashridah | heh, i thought i was originally. I may take a look, but i suspect it was just the third party package i was using | 12:25 |
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