=== J-Unit [n=jdong@sharkattack.media.mit.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Riddell discovers http://www.kubuntu-art.org/ [12:46] Riddell: looks like a copy of kdelook [12:46] it's by the same guy [12:49] its just only for kubuntu [12:49] interesting [12:49] might look through that [12:49] give my old kubuntu box a new look [12:51] not too much on it [12:51] maybe I should announce on kubuntu.org === erov [n=j@c-76-22-137-36.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:26] Riddell: ty i updated the bot for kubuntu-art [01:27] bot? [01:30] gnomefreak: which bot? === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-25.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:05] ubotu [02:05] !themes [02:05] Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nawg [n=john@adsl-074-244-132-114.sip.mco.bellsouth.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N942P004.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === daSkreech [n=chatzill@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Earl_of_Dunham [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erenko [n=Sizi@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Earl_of_Dunham [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Earl_of_Dunham [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === n8k99_ [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.52.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === am8110lt3 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-006-032.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === LongPointyStick is now known as Hobbsee === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549545DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:24] Hobbsee: so, hows finding those supper support people coming? [08:25] coreymon77: no idea. how much success have you had? [08:25] havent really asked much [08:25] but i think blueskaj is definitely good enough [08:26] Hobbsee: intellikey is also good enough, although, i think he pretty much already is one === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:27] Hobbsee: this is slightly offtopic [08:27] this is true, but no one else is talking [08:29] Hobbsee: but, you know that feeling that you get when you sleep in way too late, so you cant get to sleep that night, so its 2:30 in the morning and you are bored as heck because you cant get to sleep and have nothing to do? [08:29] vaguely [08:29] well [08:29] thats happening to me now === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:46] <_StefanS_> mornings! === Hobbsee is now known as LongPointyStick === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:51] _StefanS_: morning to you too (its 3:00 in the morning here) [08:52] <_StefanS_> I say again ! -*- Good morning -*- :D [08:52] <_StefanS_> (you're just up early) [08:53] _StefanS_: i know, i slept in too late yesterday, so now i cant get to sleep [08:53] _StefanS_: and im bored as all heck [08:54] _StefanS_: dont you hate it when that happens? [08:54] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: well, I have a kid thats 4 weeks old, I can never sleep. [08:54] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: was up 00:00, 03:18, 06:00 .. [08:55] <_StefanS_> it takes an hour for him to eat, so.. not much sleep. But NOW i have fresh coffee. [08:55] _StefanS_: im always up at 12:00 anyways, whats the big deal about being up at 12? [08:56] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: well, I cant drag myself around at 9:30 in the evening or so.. so 12 is very late for me [08:56] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: we have another 1year old that needs to be entertained the whole day aswell [08:56] _StefanS_: oh, one of those people huh? [08:56] <_StefanS_> sorry ? :) === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:57] _StefanS_: not an evening person are you? [08:57] <_StefanS_> well I used to.. [08:57] you more of a morning person? [08:58] <_StefanS_> well I used to stay up very late, but its not really possible at present.. will probably be later though when the kids get a little older [08:58] boys? [08:58] or girls? [09:00] <_StefanS_> 1 boy, 1 girl. [09:00] oj [09:00] oh* [09:00] its kind of a trade off [09:00] <_StefanS_> yeah.. he screaming his lungs off right now [09:01] <_StefanS_> jeeeez [09:01] with boys, you get it big time when they are young [09:01] but once they are older, usually easier to deal with [09:01] girls on the other hand [09:01] much easier than boys when young [09:01] but come teenage... [09:02] oy! [09:02] <_StefanS_> well we hope they can sort of keep eachother company when they're that close (hopefully) [09:02] to say the least [09:02] dont get your hopes up too high :P [09:02] <_StefanS_> yes, I think everyone feears teenage kids [09:02] <_StefanS_> well I can always hope :D [09:02] teenage boys are much easier to deal with [09:03] start saving your money now, youre gonna need it for when your girl grows up [09:03] :P [09:03] <_StefanS_> oh my [09:04] <_StefanS_> good thing I work for contractor fee at present.. that helps me save up :) [09:04] no kidding [09:04] all ive gotta say is this [09:04] brace yourself [09:04] ;) [09:04] just remember, when she's older any sentence starting with "Daddy...." means "I want something" :p [09:04] <_StefanS_> hehe [09:05] yup [09:05] haha [09:05] <_StefanS_> always nice with people telling you these horror stories.... *ick* [09:05] or as my sister says "Daddy dearest..." :p [09:05] otherwise its "DAD!!! STOP EMBARASSING ME!!!" [09:05] :P [09:06] <_StefanS_> heh well we sorta struck a nerve here it seems :) [09:06] no [09:06] just illustrating my poinr [09:07] point* [09:07] and all i got is text to do it [09:07] and i didnt realize caps was on until after i pressed enter!! :P [09:12] gorramit!! im so bored!!! i want to get to sleep!!! but i cant! [09:12] coreymon77: Not true [09:12] daSkreech: ??? [09:12] coreymon77: Could be Daddy.... this is the love of my life [09:12] again [09:13] daSkreech: you gotta wonder which is worse! ;) === \sh_away is now known as \sh [09:14] Well I would tell _StefanS_ to put some money into a shotgun [09:15] <_StefanS_> well weapons are not really allowed in denmark.. all I can get is a BB-gun :D [09:15] daSkreech: for who? the boyfriends or the daughter? :P;) [09:15] <_StefanS_> ^ boyfriends I think ;) [09:15] Which ever one is more dangerous at the time [09:15] lol [09:20] In any case it's time for bed [09:20] coreymon77: You may want to read the comments on Digg for the KDE4 revision [09:20] why? [09:20] amd where? [09:20] <_StefanS_> wow how nice it is to see SCO go down in flames.. [09:20] little insights into Kubuntu vs OpenSuse going into the KDE4 world [09:21] <_StefanS_> daSkreech: got an url? [09:21] http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_Revision_712779 === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:21] Hi hunger [09:21] and whats the diff between suse and opensuse [09:21] Suse is enterprise [09:21] Like Redhat vs Fedora [09:23] daSkreech: Ho. [09:24] hunger: Is there a simple synopsis site on Tapioca/Telepathy/Decibel? [09:24] redhat doesnt exist anymore [09:24] anyways === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:24] daSkreech: people sure love their kubuntu form the looks of those comments [09:24] from* [09:24] coreymon77: It doesn't? [09:25] daSkreech: no, didnt fedora replace it? [09:25] coreymon77: Nope [09:25] oh [09:25] i must be going crazy then === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:27] You can still buy Fedora but you can't download it in a nice compiled ISO [09:28] theyve probably done a huge number on it since i last used it back with redhat8, my first linux experience [09:28] So Suse is the same [09:28] You have to buy it [09:29] interesting [09:29] i guess suse10 was the last free one [09:29] if you want it for free there is OpenSuse which has more stuff and is free but is community supported [09:29] **cough**pieceofcrap**cough** [09:30] <\sh> opensuse is community driven, whereas the community means a hell of a lot of suse employed people... [09:30] <\sh> opensuse is the base for all SuSE Linux Enterprise versions... [09:30] <\sh> (at least since SLES10) [09:30] kubuntus the best [09:31] well well well [09:31] <\sh> coreymon77, the user decides what's the best for him/her [09:31] i think i finally feel sleep coming on [09:32] but before i go [09:32] dont we all agree here that kubuntus the best [09:32] est [09:34] :-) [09:38] hi guys [09:38] :) [09:39] anyways [09:39] gnight people [09:39] hi raphink, long time no see [09:39] indeed [09:39] well I'm always around, but not very active ;) [09:39] too busy ;) [09:41] well, bedtime for me [09:41] goodnight [09:42] good night coreymon77 === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=waylandb@70-101-124-72.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanav59 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-94a3b5eb1f466985] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vprints [n=vprints@213-35-241-248-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:33] heya [11:34] Riddell: we're donne with bluetooth, I just uploaded the beta7, which fixes the latest we had, I'll mark the spec as done [11:34] _StefanS_: hey ;) [11:34] <_StefanS_> hey you! [11:34] <_StefanS_> :D [11:34] <_StefanS_> and welcome back === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:34] Riddell: wanted to discuss with you about the env and share folder in the user's home, is there any reason you changed that ? seems to be you according to the changelog.... [11:35] I don't see the point since that's also very dangerous (deleting the kwallet file for example).... [11:35] Riddell: I can fix but I wanted your feeling on that point [11:37] <_StefanS_> ah I see you comitted the package :) [11:37] <_StefanS_> just in .. [11:37] <_StefanS_> uhm, so you wrote hehe.. I must be blind === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-159-17.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-118-16.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ [n=me@N874P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] Tonio_: it was changed to use the enrivonment variable rather than hardcoding .kde because people may use another directory [12:50] Riddell: oki, well it has to be fixed, as it seems to not work as expecting [12:50] Riddell: share shouldn't be in $home directory I guess :) [12:51] looks like the env variable is empty or there is a problem on that point, so I'll try to fix today if you don't mind [01:01] Tonio_: it should be fixed in what I uploaded yesterday, but please look at it to confirm [01:11] Riddell: sure === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mars_ is now known as marseillai === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF95D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.101.139] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-114-090.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:14] morning [02:22] hi jjesse [02:23] hello Tonio_ [02:27] Riddell: and what about strigi atm ? [02:28] Riddell: will we keep it as is ? seems to create lots of problems or lots of people [02:28] hi Tonio_ [02:28] hey Hobbsee :) [02:30] Tonio_: in for beta then decide [02:31] Riddell: oki thanks :) [02:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: strigi should basically go away :) - i uninstalled it on my machines.. [02:34] _StefanS_: I wonder if the bugs are with strigi or clucene [02:34] I'd say clucene imho [02:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, donno - it just hogged 100% cpu all the time. Maybe its because I hate indexers :) [02:35] _StefanS_: lol === Jucato [n=jucato@ubuntu/member/Jucato] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:38] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato! [02:39] hi _StefanS_! === Jucato headdesks for being late :( [02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I just bought some new hardware ! :) [02:39] woot! cool! :) [02:39] er.. Kool :) [02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: this time a Quad core Q6600 [02:39] whoa! heavy artillery :) [02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: coming in tomorrow.. cant wait to install kubuntu on it :) [02:40] woot woot! :) [02:40] <_StefanS_> yeah! [02:41] _StefanS_, Riddell:doing an attempt with the latest clucene and rebuilt strigi [02:46] nice. dolphin crashes. [02:48] Hobbsee: when and how? :) === Jucato thought dolphin crashing.. or drowning.. was the rule :P [02:48] Jucato: when you're copying a file, and rename it while your'e doing so. [02:48] oh [02:48] entire thing blows up [02:48] this is d3lphin right? === Jucato checks [02:49] this is the current gutsy version, kde3 [02:49] copy a movie or something, hit f2 when it's selected. when ti finishes copying...KABOOM!!! === Jucato looks for a safe file to nuke [02:50] hit f2 when which is selected? [02:52] when the file that you're moving, and wanting to rename is selected [02:52] as in, where you're moving it to [02:53] hm.. doesn't seem to crash here :( === Hobbsee copied a movie off the cd drive to ~, and selected the file in ~, hti f2, started typing, and kaboom when the copy finished. [02:54] hm I did get an error about not having permission to change blahblah.. but didn't rash [02:54] crash* [02:54] oh, hmmm, it only happened once. [02:55] although it seemed quicker [02:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'll test that === Jucato hates bugs that can't be consistently reproduced... makes me feel like I'm losing my mind... [02:55] <_StefanS_> I've been thinking.. its dangerous i know [02:56] <_StefanS_> why cant we just hide that copy, move, link, cancel dialog when you copy files? [02:56] <_StefanS_> cant you press a modifier to show it, if you want to ? [02:56] because it's useful to konw if it's finished copying or not? [02:56] if you don't want to, you can just press the appropriate key [02:56] Hobbsee: I think he means the Copy, Move, Link popup [02:56] oh, right [02:57] <_StefanS_> yes === Hobbsee just uses ctrl+c, ctrl+v, but occasionally finds that dialog useful. === Hobbsee never memorises the shortcuts for which is copy, which is move, etc, for point and click [02:57] _StefanS_: for one, the Link Here option isn't available elsewhere [02:57] well, click and drag [02:57] Hobbsee: shouldn't we rediscuss dolphin default activation on gutsy ? [02:57] <_StefanS_> wouldn't it just be better to copy between two volumes, and move within the same default? [02:57] Tonio_: when? [02:57] Hobbsee: we planned to rediscuss this next meeting, but I missed that one [02:58] Hobbsee: so probably next meeting again, hopefully I'll be there this time :) [02:58] <_StefanS_> +1 for konqueror returning. [02:58] Tonio_: give me a time, etc, that is OK for you. [02:58] that's me feeling too, let's add dolphin, but not as the default, way to unstable [02:58] Hobbsee: dunno when we can/should do it..... maybe next week ? [02:59] after what I went through to add that Trash thingy? +1 for konqueror :) [02:59] some dolphin stuff is nice, but it's hell for when you want to open more than 2 tabs. [02:59] Tonio_: uh, yeah. i'm going to call it a week early this time, due to uni holidays [02:59] <_StefanS_> dolphin is not mature enough. period. [02:59] i'm unsure when Riddell is back to work, though [02:59] s/dolphin/dolphin on KD3/ [02:59] s/KD3/KDE3/ [03:00] Hobbsee: yeah we need Riddell to discuss this in any case [03:00] Hobbsee: but we should hurry to decide btw [03:00] <_StefanS_> wasn't he just around? [03:00] how about strigi? how is it performing? [03:00] _StefanS_: he's on leave ATM [03:00] Tonio_: indeed. [03:00] <_StefanS_> oh [03:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: like not. [03:00] Jucato: I'm testing with the latest version of clucene to see if that fixes the infinite loop bug [03:01] I see. still gonna keep crossing my fingers then :) === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:08] <_StefanS_> updated kdebluetooth is ready in repos === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:16] _StefanS_: seems to work correctly with latest clucene [03:16] _StefanS_: at least my machine is usage when indexing, good point :) [03:16] _StefanS_: let's look at the index size after the indexing is ended (if there is an end.....) [03:17] <_StefanS_> well, my index ended up around 500mb.. which after I killed strigidaemon, and removed that crap from the system. [03:17] <_StefanS_> bye bye.. === Jucato couln't even get an index to be built properly :) [03:19] _StefanS_: also the jstream protocol seems to work [03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok [03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: whats that used for ? :) [03:20] heh :) [03:20] which is mych better, but I'll give a complete feedback tomorrow as I need to be sure it all works [03:20] <_StefanS_> ok [03:20] _StefanS_: used to show files [03:20] <_StefanS_> uhm ok === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:23] _StefanS_: http://strigi.sourceforge.net/?q=features [03:23] at the very bottom.. the only reference I could find about it :) [03:23] <_StefanS_> no hammering of the system .. wow thats a great one. [03:23] <_StefanS_> maybe its was rats that hammered my system. [03:24] <_StefanS_> thanks Jucato === Jucato still searches :) [03:25] "strigi reads files as streams"? maybe that's the basic concept? === Jucato quits searching... [03:27] perhaps some things are better left unknown :) === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:33] _StefanS_: some techy stuff here I think, if you're still interested, that is: http://akademy.kde.org/conference/slides/strigi.pdf [03:36] <_StefanS_> hmm it looks like it was really thought through.. === \sh is now known as \sh_away [03:44] Riddell: your fix works for gtk_qt_engine and kwallet, but there is still a "home" folder in the user's profile created [03:45] Riddell: appart from that it seems to be okay [03:45] don't push riddell too hard, he is just comming from vacation, jeje [03:46] meduxa: I know :) [03:46] Riddell: I'll fix this one, don't mind [03:48] Tonio_ riddell is so relaxed these days that his production will suffer, probably [03:48] sunny days [03:48] going to the beach... you know === Tonio_ notes that kdebase bzr branch is 3 versions outdated compared to the current package...... :( [03:56] woudlnt surprise me === vprints [n=vprints@213-35-241-248-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] Hobbsee: Some packages *are* going for the source package it seems. === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:01] "The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog was not found on this server." [04:01] manchicken: oh really? which ones? [04:02] I got that that looking at linux-headers-2.6.22-11-generic [04:03] manchicken: changelog linux-headers-2.6.22-11-generic WFM [04:03] manchicken: oh, no, you're misunderstanding me [04:03] manchicken: yes, they *do* go for the source package [04:04] manchicken: but, when figuring out which *component* it's in, it uses the component of the *binary* package [04:04] do you see what i mean? [04:04] (which is fine for debian, but breaks for us) [04:06] Okay, so what package should linux-headers be looking for? [04:06] manchicken: as in, which source package? [04:07] the very one you found. [04:07] linux-source? [04:07] the problem is how it is determining the component/section [04:07] manchicken: yes [04:07] Oh, really, so the actual package it's fetching for is correct? [04:07] manchicken: oh yes [04:07] manchicken: here's how it works. [04:08] manchicken: it says "ok, i'm $binarypackage, and i'm in $component. my corresponding source package is called $foo" [04:09] manchicken: what it needs to say is "ok, i'm $binarypackage, and my corresponding source package is called $foo. Because I cant rely on the fact that the archive is ordered by binaries, i need to look up the component of my source, and use that to build my changelog entry" [04:10] is that clearer? [04:10] Okay, so in the case of "/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog", what would be the correct URL? [04:10] Just take out the component? [04:10] manchicken: that is the correct URL [04:10] no, you do need the component [04:11] That URL 404s. [04:11] it doesnt thru aptitude here === Hobbsee checks witih adept [04:11] So then "/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog" is also a correct URL? [04:11] unsure. i doubt it [04:12] i think it all goes via source component, but you can check with a web browser [04:12] argh. damned thing sigseiv'd. [04:12] on hitting escape. [04:12] woohah! [04:13] mornin' to all of the fine people of #kubuntu-devel [04:13] that's impressive [04:13] Neither of them are incorrect. [04:13] what? that I am up this early...tell me about it [04:13] err, correct === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-67-026.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:14] nixternal: and me :) === Jucato weakly waves to nixternal and daSkreech [04:14] manchicken: i think your connection is botched. l-h-2.6.22-11-generic dev changelog is showing up fine here === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] I'm getting to the server, it's just giving me a 404 for the URL. [04:15] hi Jucato-san [04:15] ohayo daSkreech-sempai [04:16] I'm talking about "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog" and "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog" [04:16] Both 404 [04:17] manchicken: errr. that's interesting. it seems a little otu of date === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:17] so why does aptitude changelog work? [04:17] and adept work here? [04:18] Fair question. [04:18] My guess is that they may have multiple changelog servers around the world, and you're hitting one that doesn't suck while I'm hitting one that does. [04:18] oh wait, i know :) [04:18] Heya [04:18] no, no, i'ts better than that [04:18] They hate Americans? [04:18] heh [04:19] manchicken: nope. it's tha tmy system doesnt know about -11.33 yet. [04:19] "We'll get those stinking pig-dog Americans! Turn off their changelogs!" [04:19] Ah. [04:19] manchicken: clearly, i havent updated today. [04:19] If it's a new package I suppose the changelog may not have been synced, too. [04:19] which means my system thinks the latest is .32, so works. [04:19] indeed. [04:20] i dont remember how long it takes to sync [04:20] manchicken: are pigdogs related to manchickens? [04:20] but that's why you're getting the 404 there - the algorithm is working in that instance, assuming the server is up to date [04:20] Yup. [04:20] So would the URL without /main in it be the most correct one? [04:21] If I could just take the component out, that'd be a damn-simple fix. [04:21] manchicken: no, it wouldnt. [04:21] http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.32/changelog 404's [04:21] that same URL with component in it works. [04:21] (the old kernel version) [04:21] ah, here's a bundle of updates. [04:22] manchicken: are you understanding where the problem is now? === Hobbsee just doesnt really understand apt's innards well enough to tell it to look for the component that the source is in, and use that for all further changelog work. === Jucato <---- bed, get well, "See ya'all later!" === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:28] oh, yay for consistancy. so, for the changelogs, everything is stored under source packages, and the source package component [04:28] for archive.u.c, it's stored under binary package, and the binary package component. [04:28] which...sort of makes sense [04:28] OK, time for skewl cuz it is kewl, so don't be a fewl === nixternal is a luser [04:28] cya'll later :) === mbiebl [n=michael@e180067098.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-71-133.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-51-25.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:39] Hobbsee: I'll try to see if I can figure it out. === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@wikipedia/jeroenvrp] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:40] I'm just scared that this is going to turn into a nasty CF where nothing really makes any sense other than the whole "well it's just the way it is" rationale. [04:40] I'd like to avoid that if at all possible. === jeroenvrp [n=jeroenvr@wikipedia/jeroenvrp] has left #kubuntu-devel ["The] === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === CPrgmSwR2 [n=keith@adsl-75-9-211-169.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanav59 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-30e90610b2ee6015] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:37] Screensavers act funny when you're running compiz. [05:38] Man I should really start coding on kscreensaver === kwwii [n=kwwii@p549545DA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred_ [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:47] why is dolphin on the livecd but not installed with gutsy? [05:47] or is it and it just never got added to updates === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:48] Kubuntu-desktop is installed? [05:48] yes [05:48] i just installed it 2 days ago [05:49] daSkreech: its not listed as depends in show for kubuntu-desktop either [05:49] hmm === gnomefreak would really like to know that one ;) something had to bring it in for livecd and it wasnt kubuntu-desktop ubuntu-minimal ubuntu standard what else gets on livecd other than them === Saurus [n=Saurus@87.19.115.193] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:51] IppatsuManXYZ: [05:51] :D [05:51] gnomefreak: clean install? [05:51] Hobbsee: no [05:51] apt should be installing recommends by default [05:52] aptitude -R kubuntu-desktop didnt install dolphin [05:52] would have thout it would have if default [05:52] gnomefreak: well, duh. [05:52] if anyone want to test dolphin with tab support on kde4 gutsy i've a package on my ppa... [05:52] dolphin is a recommend? [05:52] gnomefreak: stupid question, but you *have* looked at what -R does, havent you? [05:52] yes [05:53] gnomefreak: yes. because some people want to remove it. [05:53] Hobbsee: i know what it does, why is it on livecd if just a recommend? [05:53] gnomefreak: we have a lot of things as recommends, as some people like to swap out components - so we only have what is mandatory as depends [05:53] because recommends get installed by default, but means that people can remove it if they hate it, without removing k-d [05:53] there's a couple of bug reports about how it has too many deps, and you cant remove various apps without removing k-d [05:53] Hobbsee: when did apt-get install start installing recommends? [05:54] gnomefreak: earlier this release cycle. [05:54] gnomefreak: only for metapackages. [05:54] hence why i use aptitude for -desktops [05:54] ah ok [05:54] meh, aptitude [05:55] yes it has always installed recommends using aptitude [05:55] as far back as i can remember [05:55] oh, indeed. [05:56] but with apt, it's been this cycle. [05:56] only for meta-packages [05:56] yes [05:56] and apt will remove all depends? [05:56] or aptitude only still [05:56] as in, sudo apt-get autoremove? [05:57] it wont automatically remove bits once nothing depends on them, no [05:57] Hobbsee: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop [05:57] if its gonna grab recommends (as aptitude does) it should remove things like aptitude does [05:58] or your back to removing libqt-mt3(or whatever the lib is) [05:58] then no, it wont remove all deps [05:58] libqt3-mt [05:58] yes [05:58] autoremoving by default is dangerious [05:58] and that still leave bits around [05:59] haggai: its better than it was ;) [05:59] Hobbsee: ^^ [05:59] i'm glad to hear it. accidently removing k-d, then hitting y, with aptitude tends to be disasterous [06:00] oh yay, it wont automatically remove everything anymore === manchicken_ [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:01] i would use aptitude install without -R for kubuntu-desktop because it brings in the oofastkde or whatever it is (to open oo faster) and it kills everything here makes it so slow its not usable [06:03] oofastkde? [06:03] i didnt think we did prelinking on kde [06:03] kmail is a recommend too? [06:03] yes [06:03] what is default mail? [06:04] kmail [06:05] oooqs-kde [06:05] was what i was thinking of [06:05] thats the oo.o quick starter [06:05] for kde [06:06] ah [06:06] kubuntu-desktop also recommends oo.o shouldnt it make more sense to recommend koffice? [06:06] just a thought ;) [06:07] gnomefreak: when that was last discussed, it was decided that koffice wasnt stable enough yet - particularly in the area of .doc [06:08] ah ok [06:08] brb reboot [06:08] gnomefreak: obviously, you cant recommend both, or it will blow the cd sizes [06:08] true [06:09] Koffice needs ,3 [06:09] <3 === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:36] OO.o gets IBm :-( === milian [n=milian@p57BB1B6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:05] afternoon, anything fun going on? === stdin [i=stdin@pdpc/supporter/active/stdin] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Ash-Fox [n=N@host81-133-146-74.in-addr.btopenworld.com] has joined #Kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello084112133091.25.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:43] IppatsuManXYZ what do you think about apt-get and adpept? [07:43] *adept [07:44] no answer... === apachelogger [n=me@N807P015.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F72C55.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.51.124] has joined #kubuntu-devel === meduxa [n=agustin@199.Red-83-36-56.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vprints [n=vprints@213-35-241-248-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK2 [n=ScottK@ubuntu/member/scottk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-confused [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === waylandbill [n=waylandb@70-101-124-72.dsl1-field.roc.ny.frontiernet.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-confused is now known as ScottK === hunger [n=tobias@p54A70B26.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:44] Riddell: do you plan new snapshot of kdepim? Otherwise I am preparing debdiff with 4-5 bugfixes from last week (one important crasher)... [09:45] Lure: I'm still on holiday for next week so don't have time [09:45] Lure: but maybe their snapshot from last friday is worth trying if you do have time? [09:46] otherwise, fixes are good === Riddell out [09:46] Riddell: ok, will use Tonio_/Hobbsee to upload fixes and prepare test snpashot in my ppa === Lure wants rock solid kdepim in gutsy === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-028-246.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:52] <\sh> Lure, will it work properly with exchange mail + calendar ? ,-) [09:53] what is on the agenda for today [09:53] next kdelibs update, the link for the help/about kubuntu needs to be updated for the konqi start page [09:54] actually, just the Kubuntu Documentation link [09:54] how does that work seeing as we are in a string freeze? [09:56] \sh: if you use exchange, you are on your own ;-( === Lure knows how this feels as he uses exchange at work ;-) [09:56] nixternal: You have to personally visit each buildd and thaw the strings before it will take. [09:56] <\sh> Lure, well I have to...that's why I'm using evolution === nixternal gets out his string blow torch [09:57] \sh: And If your company use Exchange 2007 the imap is the last hope... My company does. :-( [09:58] <\sh> sahin_h, imap works but not with the calendar...and this we need a lot [09:58] <\sh> sahin_h, so I'm happy with evolution using the webinterface for everything [09:59] \sh: Your, right. However I can accept and send meeting request from kontact too. [09:59] \sh: Web interface is only needed if I want to set the busy state. [09:59] <\sh> sahin_h, yeah, but using other calendar resources of my team mates, e.g. when they are on holiday, it's not working... [10:00] \sh: Yes, that's true. But in case of exchange 2007 won't work from evolution too. [10:00] <\sh> sahin_h, yeah, we are using still 2003 or something like this...well it works. [10:01] \sh: You are lucky. I'm a looser. :-( [10:02] <\sh> sahin_h, but the web interface works from firefox ...that's at least a good thing === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:07] \sh: Yes fortunately the web interface works. === CPrgmSwR2 [n=keith@adsl-75-9-211-169.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === CPrgmSwR2 [n=kde-deve@adsl-75-9-211-169.dsl.crchtx.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:29] <\sh> Riddell, do we want kmobiletools 0.5.0 beta 3 in gutsy? (bug 131608) [10:29] Launchpad bug 131608 in kmobiletools "Please upgrade kmobiletools to version 0.5.0 beta 3" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/131608 [10:30] <\sh> if not, I'll reject this bug as invalid === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:50] \sh_away: probably not if we're on a stable version at the moment === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-61-86.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel