[12:46] <coreymon77> Riddell: looks like a copy of kdelook
[12:46] <Riddell> it's by the same guy
[12:49] <coreymon77> its just only for kubuntu
[12:49] <coreymon77> interesting
[12:49] <coreymon77> might look through that
[12:49] <coreymon77> give my old kubuntu box a new look
[12:51] <Riddell> not too much on it
[12:51] <Riddell> maybe I should announce on kubuntu.org
[01:26] <gnomefreak> Riddell: ty i updated the bot for kubuntu-art
[01:27] <Riddell> bot?
[01:30] <Riddell> gnomefreak: which bot?
[02:05] <gnomefreak> ubotu
[02:05] <gnomefreak> !themes
[02:05] <ubotu> Find your themes at: http://www.gnome-look.org - http://art.gnome.org - http://www.kde-look.org - http://kubuntu-art.org - http://themes.freshmeat.net/browse/58/ - http://www.guistyles.com - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/ - Also see !changethemes and https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy
[08:24] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: so, hows finding those supper support people coming?
[08:25] <Hobbsee> coreymon77: no idea.  how much success have you had?
[08:25] <coreymon77> havent really asked much
[08:25] <coreymon77> but i think blueskaj is definitely good enough
[08:26] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: intellikey is also good enough, although, i think he pretty much already is one
[08:27] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: this is slightly offtopic
[08:27] <Hobbsee> this is true, but no one else is talking
[08:29] <coreymon77> Hobbsee: but, you know that feeling that you get when you sleep in way too late, so you cant get to sleep that night, so its 2:30 in the morning and you are bored as heck because you cant get to sleep and have nothing to do?
[08:29] <Hobbsee> vaguely
[08:29] <coreymon77> well
[08:29] <coreymon77> thats happening to me now
[08:46] <_StefanS_> mornings!
[08:51] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: morning to you too (its 3:00 in the morning here)
[08:52] <_StefanS_> I say again ! -*- Good morning -*- :D
[08:52] <_StefanS_> (you're just up early)
[08:53] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: i know, i slept in too late yesterday, so now i cant get to sleep
[08:53] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: and im bored as all heck
[08:54] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: dont you hate it when that happens?
[08:54] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: well, I have a kid thats 4 weeks old, I can never sleep.
[08:54] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: was up 00:00, 03:18, 06:00 ..
[08:55] <_StefanS_> it takes an hour for him to eat, so.. not much sleep. But NOW i have fresh coffee.
[08:55] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: im always up at 12:00 anyways, whats the big deal about being up at 12?
[08:56] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: well, I cant drag myself around at 9:30 in the evening or so.. so 12 is very late for me
[08:56] <_StefanS_> coreymon77: we have another 1year old that needs to be entertained the whole day aswell
[08:56] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: oh, one of those people huh?
[08:56] <_StefanS_> sorry ? :)
[08:57] <coreymon77> _StefanS_: not an evening person are you?
[08:57] <_StefanS_> well I used to..
[08:57] <coreymon77> you more of a morning person?
[08:58] <_StefanS_> well I used to stay up very late, but its not really possible at present.. will probably be later though when the kids get a little older
[08:58] <coreymon77> boys?
[08:58] <coreymon77> or girls?
[09:00] <_StefanS_> 1 boy, 1 girl.
[09:00] <coreymon77> oj
[09:00] <coreymon77> oh*
[09:00] <coreymon77> its kind of a trade off
[09:00] <_StefanS_> yeah.. he screaming his lungs off right now
[09:01] <_StefanS_> jeeeez
[09:01] <coreymon77> with boys, you get it big time when they are young
[09:01] <coreymon77> but once they are older, usually easier to deal with
[09:01] <coreymon77> girls on the other hand
[09:01] <coreymon77> much easier than boys when young
[09:01] <coreymon77> but come teenage...
[09:02] <coreymon77> oy!
[09:02] <_StefanS_> well we hope they can sort of keep eachother company when they're that close (hopefully)
[09:02] <coreymon77> to say the least
[09:02] <coreymon77> dont get your hopes up too high :P
[09:02] <_StefanS_> yes, I think everyone feears teenage kids
[09:02] <_StefanS_> well I can always hope :D
[09:02] <coreymon77> teenage boys are much easier to deal with
[09:03] <coreymon77> start saving your money now, youre gonna need it for when your girl grows up
[09:03] <coreymon77> :P
[09:03] <_StefanS_> oh my
[09:04] <_StefanS_> good thing I work for contractor fee at present.. that helps me save up :)
[09:04] <coreymon77> no kidding
[09:04] <coreymon77> all ive gotta say is this
[09:04] <coreymon77> brace yourself
[09:04] <coreymon77> ;)
[09:04] <stdin> just remember, when she's older any sentence starting with "Daddy...." means "I want something" :p
[09:04] <_StefanS_> hehe
[09:05] <coreymon77> yup
[09:05] <Hobbsee> haha
[09:05] <_StefanS_> always nice with people telling you these horror stories.... *ick*
[09:05] <stdin> or as my sister says "Daddy dearest..." :p
[09:05] <coreymon77> otherwise its "DAD!!! STOP EMBARASSING ME!!!"
[09:05] <coreymon77> :P
[09:06] <_StefanS_> heh well we sorta struck a nerve here it seems :)
[09:06] <coreymon77> no
[09:06] <coreymon77> just illustrating my poinr
[09:07] <coreymon77> point*
[09:07] <coreymon77> and all i got is text to do it
[09:07] <coreymon77> and i didnt realize caps was on until after i pressed enter!! :P
[09:12] <coreymon77> gorramit!! im so bored!!! i want to get to sleep!!! but i cant!
[09:12] <daSkreech> coreymon77: Not true
[09:12] <coreymon77> daSkreech: ???
[09:12] <daSkreech> coreymon77: Could be Daddy.... this is the love of my life
[09:12] <daSkreech> again
[09:13] <coreymon77> daSkreech: you gotta wonder which is worse!  ;)
[09:14] <daSkreech> Well I would tell _StefanS_  to put some money into a shotgun
[09:15] <_StefanS_> well weapons are not really allowed in denmark.. all I can get is a BB-gun :D
[09:15] <coreymon77> daSkreech: for who? the boyfriends or the daughter? :P;)
[09:15] <_StefanS_> ^ boyfriends I think ;)
[09:15] <daSkreech> Which ever one is more dangerous at the time
[09:15] <coreymon77> lol
[09:20] <daSkreech> In any case it's time for bed
[09:20] <daSkreech> coreymon77: You may want to read the comments on Digg for the KDE4 revision
[09:20] <coreymon77> why?
[09:20] <coreymon77> amd where?
[09:20] <_StefanS_> wow how nice it is to see SCO go down in flames..
[09:20] <daSkreech> little insights into Kubuntu vs OpenSuse going into the KDE4 world
[09:21] <_StefanS_> daSkreech: got an url?
[09:21] <daSkreech> http://digg.com/linux_unix/KDE_4_Revision_712779
[09:21] <daSkreech> Hi hunger
[09:21] <coreymon77> and whats the diff between suse and opensuse
[09:21] <daSkreech> Suse is enterprise
[09:21] <daSkreech> Like Redhat vs Fedora
[09:23] <hunger> daSkreech: Ho.
[09:24] <daSkreech> hunger: Is there a simple synopsis site on Tapioca/Telepathy/Decibel?
[09:24] <coreymon77> redhat doesnt exist anymore
[09:24] <coreymon77> anyways
[09:24] <coreymon77> daSkreech: people sure love their kubuntu form the looks of those comments
[09:24] <coreymon77> from*
[09:24] <daSkreech> coreymon77: It doesn't?
[09:25] <coreymon77> daSkreech: no, didnt fedora replace it?
[09:25] <daSkreech> coreymon77: Nope
[09:25] <coreymon77> oh
[09:25] <coreymon77> i must be going crazy then
[09:27] <daSkreech> You can still buy Fedora but you can't download it in a nice compiled ISO
[09:28] <coreymon77> theyve probably done a huge number on it since i last used it back with redhat8, my first linux experience
[09:28] <daSkreech> So Suse is the same
[09:28] <daSkreech> You have to buy it
[09:29] <coreymon77> interesting
[09:29] <coreymon77> i guess suse10 was the last free one
[09:29] <daSkreech>  if you want it for free there is OpenSuse which has more stuff and is free but is community supported
[09:29] <coreymon77> **cough**pieceofcrap**cough**
[09:30] <\sh> opensuse is community driven, whereas the community means a hell of a lot of suse employed people...
[09:30] <\sh> opensuse is the base for all SuSE Linux Enterprise versions...
[09:30] <\sh> (at least since SLES10)
[09:30] <coreymon77> kubuntus the best
[09:31] <coreymon77> well well well
[09:31] <\sh> coreymon77, the user decides what's the best for him/her
[09:31] <coreymon77> i think i finally feel sleep coming on
[09:32] <coreymon77> but before i go
[09:32] <coreymon77> dont we all agree here that kubuntus the best
[09:32] <coreymon77> est
[09:34] <daSkreech> :-)
[09:38] <raphink> hi guys
[09:38] <raphink> :)
[09:39] <coreymon77> anyways
[09:39] <coreymon77> gnight people
[09:39] <mhb> hi raphink, long time no see
[09:39] <raphink> indeed
[09:39] <raphink> well I'm always around, but not very active ;)
[09:39] <raphink> too busy ;)
[09:41] <coreymon77> well, bedtime for me
[09:41] <coreymon77> goodnight
[09:42] <raphink> good night coreymon77
[11:33] <Tonio_> heya
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: we're donne with bluetooth, I just uploaded the beta7, which fixes the latest we had, I'll mark the spec as done
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[11:34] <_StefanS_> hey you!
[11:34] <_StefanS_> :D
[11:34] <_StefanS_> and welcome back
[11:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: wanted to discuss with you about the env and share folder in the user's home, is there any reason you changed that ? seems to be you according to the changelog....
[11:35] <Tonio_> I don't see the point since that's also very dangerous (deleting the kwallet file for example)....
[11:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can fix but I wanted your feeling on that point
[11:37] <_StefanS_> ah I see you comitted the package :)
[11:37] <_StefanS_> just in ..
[11:37] <_StefanS_> uhm, so you wrote hehe.. I must be blind
[12:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: it was changed to use the enrivonment variable rather than hardcoding .kde because people may use another directory
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, well it has to be fixed, as it seems to not work as expecting
[12:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: share shouldn't be in $home directory I guess :)
[12:51] <Tonio_> looks like the env variable is empty or there is a problem on that point, so I'll try to fix today if you don't mind
[01:01] <Riddell> Tonio_: it should be fixed in what I uploaded yesterday, but please look at it to confirm
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: sure
[02:14] <jjesse> morning
[02:22] <Tonio_> hi jjesse
[02:23] <jjesse> hello Tonio_
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: and what about strigi atm ?
[02:28] <Tonio_> Riddell: will we keep it as is ? seems to create lots of problems or lots of people
[02:28] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[02:28] <Tonio_> hey Hobbsee :)
[02:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: in for beta then decide
[02:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki thanks :)
[02:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: strigi should basically go away :) - i uninstalled it on my machines..
[02:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wonder if the bugs are with strigi or clucene
[02:34] <Tonio_> I'd say clucene imho
[02:35] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, donno - it just hogged 100% cpu all the time. Maybe its because I hate indexers :)
[02:35] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: lol
[02:38] <_StefanS_> hey Jucato!
[02:39] <Jucato> hi _StefanS_!
[02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: I just bought some new hardware ! :)
[02:39] <Jucato> woot! cool! :)
[02:39] <Jucato> er.. Kool :)
[02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: this time a Quad core Q6600
[02:39] <Jucato> whoa! heavy artillery :)
[02:39] <_StefanS_> Jucato: coming in tomorrow.. cant wait to install kubuntu on it :)
[02:40] <Jucato> woot woot! :)
[02:40] <_StefanS_> yeah!
[02:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_, Riddell:doing an attempt with the latest clucene and rebuilt strigi
[02:46] <Hobbsee> nice.  dolphin crashes.
[02:48] <Jucato> Hobbsee: when and how? :)
[02:48] <Hobbsee> Jucato: when you're copying a file, and rename it while your'e doing so.
[02:48] <Jucato> oh
[02:48] <Hobbsee> entire thing blows up
[02:48] <Jucato> this is d3lphin right?
[02:49] <Hobbsee> this is the current gutsy version, kde3
[02:49] <Hobbsee> copy a movie or something, hit f2 when it's selected.  when ti finishes copying...KABOOM!!!
[02:50] <Jucato> hit f2 when which is selected?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> when the file that you're moving, and wanting to rename is selected
[02:52] <Hobbsee> as in, where you're moving it to
[02:53] <Jucato> hm.. doesn't seem to crash here :(
[02:54] <Jucato> hm I did get an error about not having permission to change blahblah.. but didn't rash
[02:54] <Jucato> crash*
[02:54] <Hobbsee> oh, hmmm, it only happened once.
[02:55] <Hobbsee> although it seemed quicker
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: I'll test that
[02:55] <_StefanS_> I've been thinking.. its dangerous i know
[02:56] <_StefanS_> why cant we just hide that copy, move, link, cancel dialog when you copy files?
[02:56] <_StefanS_> cant you press a modifier to show it, if you want to ?
[02:56] <Hobbsee> because it's useful to konw if it's finished copying or not?
[02:56] <Jucato> if you don't want to, you can just press the appropriate key
[02:56] <Jucato> Hobbsee: I think he means the Copy, Move, Link popup
[02:56] <Hobbsee> oh, right
[02:57] <_StefanS_> yes
[02:57] <Jucato> _StefanS_: for one, the Link Here option isn't available elsewhere
[02:57] <Hobbsee> well, click and drag
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: shouldn't we rediscuss dolphin default activation on gutsy ?
[02:57] <_StefanS_> wouldn't it just be better to copy between two volumes, and move within the same default?
[02:57] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: when?
[02:57] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: we planned to rediscuss this next meeting, but I missed that one
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so probably next meeting again, hopefully I'll be there this time :)
[02:58] <_StefanS_> +1 for konqueror returning.
[02:58] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: give me a time, etc, that is OK for you.
[02:58] <Tonio_> that's me feeling too, let's add dolphin, but not as the default, way to unstable
[02:58] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: dunno when we can/should do it..... maybe next week ?
[02:59] <Jucato> after what I went through to add that Trash thingy? +1 for konqueror :)
[02:59] <Hobbsee> some dolphin stuff is nice, but it's hell for when you want to open more than 2 tabs.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: uh, yeah.  i'm going to call it a week early this time, due to uni holidays
[02:59] <_StefanS_> dolphin is not mature enough. period.
[02:59] <Hobbsee> i'm unsure when Riddell is back to work, though
[02:59] <Jucato> s/dolphin/dolphin on KD3/
[02:59] <Jucato> s/KD3/KDE3/
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yeah we need Riddell to discuss this in any case
[03:00] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but we should hurry to decide btw
[03:00] <_StefanS_> wasn't he just around?
[03:00] <Jucato> how about strigi? how is it performing?
[03:00] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: he's on leave ATM
[03:00] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: indeed.
[03:00] <_StefanS_> oh
[03:00] <_StefanS_> Jucato: like not.
[03:00] <Tonio_> Jucato: I'm testing with the latest version of clucene to see if that fixes the infinite loop bug
[03:01] <Jucato> I see. still gonna keep crossing my fingers then :)
[03:08] <_StefanS_> updated kdebluetooth is ready in repos
[03:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: seems to work correctly with latest clucene
[03:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: at least my machine is usage when indexing, good point :)
[03:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: let's look at the index size after the indexing is ended (if there is an end.....)
[03:17] <_StefanS_> well, my index ended up around 500mb.. which after I killed strigidaemon, and removed that crap from the system.
[03:17] <_StefanS_> bye bye..
[03:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also the jstream protocol seems to work
[03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok
[03:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: whats that used for ? :)
[03:20] <Jucato> heh :)
[03:20] <Tonio_> which is mych better, but I'll give a complete feedback tomorrow as I need to be sure it all works
[03:20] <_StefanS_> ok
[03:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: used to show files
[03:20] <_StefanS_> uhm ok
[03:23] <Jucato> _StefanS_: http://strigi.sourceforge.net/?q=features
[03:23] <Jucato> at the very bottom.. the only reference I could find about it :)
[03:23] <_StefanS_> no hammering of the system .. wow thats a great one.
[03:23] <_StefanS_> maybe its was rats that hammered my system.
[03:24] <_StefanS_> thanks Jucato
[03:25] <Jucato> "strigi reads files as streams"? maybe that's the basic concept?
[03:27] <Jucato> perhaps some things are better left unknown :)
[03:33] <Jucato> _StefanS_: some techy stuff here I think, if you're still interested, that is: http://akademy.kde.org/conference/slides/strigi.pdf
[03:36] <_StefanS_> hmm it looks like it was really thought through..
[03:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: your fix works for gtk_qt_engine and kwallet, but there is still a "home" folder in the user's profile created
[03:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: appart from that it seems to be okay
[03:45] <meduxa> don't push riddell too hard, he is just comming from vacation, jeje
[03:46] <Tonio_> meduxa: I know :)
[03:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this one, don't mind
[03:48] <meduxa> Tonio_ riddell is so relaxed these days that his production will suffer, probably
[03:48] <meduxa> sunny days
[03:48] <meduxa> going to the beach... you know
[03:56] <Hobbsee> woudlnt surprise me
[04:01] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Some packages *are* going for the source package it seems.
[04:01] <manchicken> "The requested URL /changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog was not found on this server."
[04:01] <Hobbsee> manchicken: oh really?  which ones?
[04:02] <manchicken> I got that that looking at linux-headers-2.6.22-11-generic
[04:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: changelog linux-headers-2.6.22-11-generic WFM
[04:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: oh, no, you're misunderstanding me
[04:03] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yes, they *do* go for the source package
[04:04] <Hobbsee> manchicken: but, when figuring out which *component* it's in, it uses the component of the *binary* package
[04:04] <Hobbsee> do you see what i mean?
[04:04] <Hobbsee> (which is fine for debian, but breaks for us)
[04:06] <manchicken> Okay, so what package should linux-headers be looking for?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> manchicken: as in, which source package?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> the very one you found.
[04:07] <manchicken> linux-source?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> the problem is how it is determining the component/section
[04:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: yes
[04:07] <manchicken> Oh, really, so the actual package it's fetching for is correct?
[04:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: oh yes
[04:07] <Hobbsee> manchicken: here's how it works.
[04:08] <Hobbsee> manchicken: it says "ok, i'm $binarypackage, and i'm in $component.  my corresponding source package is called $foo"
[04:09] <Hobbsee> manchicken: what it needs to say is "ok, i'm $binarypackage, and my corresponding source package is called $foo.  Because I cant rely on the fact that the archive is ordered by binaries, i need to look up the component of my source, and use that to build my changelog entry"
[04:10] <Hobbsee> is that clearer?
[04:10] <manchicken> Okay, so in the case of "/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog", what would be the correct URL?
[04:10] <manchicken> Just take out the component?
[04:10] <Hobbsee> manchicken: that is the correct URL
[04:10] <Hobbsee> no, you do need the component
[04:11] <manchicken> That URL 404s.
[04:11] <Hobbsee> it doesnt thru aptitude here
[04:11] <manchicken> So then "/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog" is also a correct URL?
[04:11] <Hobbsee> unsure.  i doubt it
[04:12] <Hobbsee> i think it all goes via source component, but you can check with a web browser
[04:12] <Hobbsee> argh.  damned thing sigseiv'd.
[04:12] <Hobbsee> on hitting escape.
[04:12] <nixternal> woohah!
[04:13] <nixternal> mornin' to all of the fine people of #kubuntu-devel
[04:13] <Hobbsee> that's impressive
[04:13] <manchicken> Neither of them are incorrect.
[04:13] <nixternal> what? that I am up this early...tell me about it
[04:13] <manchicken> err, correct
[04:14] <daSkreech> nixternal: and me :)
[04:14] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i think your connection is botched.  l-h-2.6.22-11-generic dev changelog is showing up fine here
[04:15] <manchicken> I'm getting to the server, it's just giving me a 404 for the URL.
[04:15] <daSkreech> hi Jucato-san
[04:15] <Jucato> ohayo daSkreech-sempai
[04:16] <manchicken> I'm talking about "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog" and "http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/main/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.33/changelog"
[04:16] <manchicken> Both 404
[04:17] <Hobbsee> manchicken: errr.  that's interesting. it seems a little otu of date
[04:17] <Hobbsee> so why does aptitude changelog work?
[04:17] <Hobbsee> and adept work here?
[04:18] <manchicken> Fair question.
[04:18] <manchicken> My guess is that they may have multiple changelog servers around the world, and you're hitting one that doesn't suck while I'm hitting one that does.
[04:18] <Hobbsee> oh wait, i know :)
[04:18] <bddebian> Heya
[04:18] <Hobbsee> no, no, i'ts better than that
[04:18] <manchicken> They hate Americans?
[04:18] <manchicken> heh
[04:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: nope.  it's tha tmy system doesnt know about -11.33 yet.
[04:19] <manchicken> "We'll get those stinking pig-dog Americans!  Turn off their changelogs!"
[04:19] <manchicken> Ah.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> manchicken: clearly, i havent updated today.
[04:19] <manchicken> If it's a new package I suppose the changelog may not have been synced, too.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> which means my system thinks the latest is .32, so works.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> indeed.
[04:20] <Hobbsee> i dont remember how long it takes to sync
[04:20] <daSkreech> manchicken: are pigdogs related to manchickens?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> but that's why you're getting the 404 there - the algorithm is working in that instance, assuming the server is up to date
[04:20] <manchicken> Yup.
[04:20] <manchicken> So would the URL without /main in it be the most correct one?
[04:21] <manchicken> If I could just take the component out, that'd be a damn-simple fix.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> manchicken: no, it wouldnt.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/l/linux-source-2.6.22/linux-source-2.6.22_2.6.22-11.32/changelog 404's
[04:21] <Hobbsee> that same URL with component in it works.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> (the old kernel version)
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ah, here's a bundle of updates.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> manchicken: are you understanding where the problem is now?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> oh, yay for consistancy.  so, for the changelogs, everything is stored under source packages, and the source package component
[04:28] <Hobbsee> for archive.u.c, it's stored under binary package, and the binary package component.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> which...sort of makes sense
[04:28] <nixternal> OK, time for skewl cuz it is kewl, so don't be a fewl
[04:28] <nixternal> cya'll later :)
[04:39] <manchicken> Hobbsee: I'll try to see if I can figure it out.
[04:40] <manchicken> I'm just scared that this is going to turn into a nasty CF where nothing really makes any sense other than the whole "well it's just the way it is" rationale.
[04:40] <manchicken> I'd like to avoid that if at all possible.
[05:37] <manchicken> Screensavers act funny when you're running compiz.
[05:38] <daSkreech> Man I should really start coding on kscreensaver
[05:47] <gnomefreak> why is dolphin on the livecd but not installed with gutsy?
[05:47] <gnomefreak> or is it and it just never got added to updates
[05:48] <daSkreech> Kubuntu-desktop is installed?
[05:48] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:48] <gnomefreak> i just installed it 2 days ago
[05:49] <gnomefreak> daSkreech: its not listed as depends in show for kubuntu-desktop either
[05:49] <daSkreech> hmm
[05:51] <Saurus> IppatsuManXYZ:
[05:51] <Saurus> :D
[05:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: clean install?
[05:51] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no
[05:51] <Hobbsee> apt should be installing recommends by default
[05:52] <gnomefreak> aptitude  -R kubuntu-desktop didnt install dolphin
[05:52] <gnomefreak> would have thout it would have if default
[05:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: well, duh.
[05:52] <marseillai> if anyone want to test dolphin with tab support on kde4 gutsy i've a package on my ppa...
[05:52] <gnomefreak> dolphin is a recommend?
[05:52] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: stupid question, but you *have* looked at what -R does, havent you?
[05:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[05:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yes.  because some people want to remove it.
[05:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i know what it does, why is it on livecd if just a recommend?
[05:53] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: we have a lot of things as recommends, as some people like to swap out components - so we only have what is mandatory as depends
[05:53] <Hobbsee> because recommends get installed by default, but means that people can remove it if they hate it, without removing k-d
[05:53] <Hobbsee> there's a couple of bug reports about how it has too many deps, and you cant remove various apps without removing k-d
[05:53] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: when did apt-get install start installing recommends?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: earlier this release cycle.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: only for metapackages.
[05:54] <gnomefreak> hence why i use aptitude for -desktops
[05:54] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[05:54] <Hobbsee> meh, aptitude
[05:55] <gnomefreak> yes it has always installed recommends using aptitude
[05:55] <gnomefreak> as far back as i can remember
[05:55] <Hobbsee> oh, indeed.
[05:56] <Hobbsee> but with apt, it's been this cycle.
[05:56] <gnomefreak> only for meta-packages
[05:56] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:56] <gnomefreak> and apt will remove all depends?
[05:56] <gnomefreak> or aptitude only still
[05:56] <Hobbsee> as in, sudo apt-get autoremove?
[05:57] <Hobbsee> it wont automatically remove bits once nothing depends on them, no
[05:57] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop
[05:57] <gnomefreak> if its gonna grab recommends (as aptitude does) it should remove things like aptitude does
[05:58] <gnomefreak> or your back to removing libqt-mt3(or whatever the lib is)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> then no, it wont remove all deps
[05:58] <gnomefreak> libqt3-mt
[05:58] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:58] <Hobbsee> autoremoving by default is dangerious
[05:58] <gnomefreak> and that still leave bits around
[05:59] <gnomefreak> haggai: its better than it was ;)
[05:59] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: ^^
[05:59] <Hobbsee> i'm glad to hear it.  accidently removing k-d, then hitting y, with aptitude tends to be disasterous
[06:00] <Hobbsee> oh yay, it wont automatically remove everything anymore
[06:01] <gnomefreak> i would use aptitude install without -R for kubuntu-desktop because it brings in the oofastkde or whatever it is (to open oo faster) and it kills everything here makes it so slow its not usable
[06:03] <Hobbsee> oofastkde?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> i didnt think we did prelinking on kde
[06:03] <gnomefreak> kmail is a recommend too?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:03] <gnomefreak> what is default mail?
[06:04] <Hobbsee> kmail
[06:05] <gnomefreak> oooqs-kde
[06:05] <gnomefreak> was what i was thinking of
[06:05] <gnomefreak> thats the oo.o quick starter
[06:05] <gnomefreak> for kde
[06:06] <Hobbsee> ah
[06:06] <gnomefreak> kubuntu-desktop also recommends oo.o shouldnt it make more sense to recommend koffice?
[06:06] <gnomefreak> just a thought ;)
[06:07] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: when that was last discussed, it was decided that koffice wasnt stable enough yet - particularly in the area of .doc
[06:08] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[06:08] <gnomefreak> brb reboot
[06:08] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: obviously, you cant recommend both, or it will blow the cd sizes
[06:08] <gnomefreak> true
[06:09] <daSkreech> Koffice needs ,3
[06:09] <daSkreech> <3
[06:36] <daSkreech> OO.o gets IBm :-(
[07:05] <jjesse> afternoon, anything fun going on?
[07:43] <Saurus> IppatsuManXYZ what do you think about apt-get and adpept?
[07:43] <Saurus> *adept
[07:44] <Saurus> no answer...
[09:44] <Lure> Riddell: do you plan new snapshot of kdepim? Otherwise I am preparing debdiff with 4-5 bugfixes from last week (one important crasher)...
[09:45] <Riddell> Lure: I'm still on holiday for next week so don't have time
[09:45] <Riddell> Lure: but maybe their snapshot from last friday is worth trying if you do have time?
[09:46] <Riddell> otherwise, fixes are good
[09:46] <Lure> Riddell: ok, will use Tonio_/Hobbsee to upload fixes and prepare test snpashot in my ppa
[09:52] <\sh> Lure, will it work properly with exchange mail + calendar ? ,-)
[09:53] <nixternal> what is on the agenda for today
[09:53] <nixternal> next kdelibs update, the link for the help/about kubuntu needs to be updated for the konqi start page
[09:54] <nixternal> actually, just the Kubuntu Documentation link
[09:54] <nixternal> how does that work seeing as we are in a string freeze?
[09:56] <Lure> \sh: if you use exchange, you are on your own ;-(
[09:56] <ScottK> nixternal: You have to personally visit each buildd and thaw the strings before it will take.
[09:56] <\sh> Lure, well I have to...that's why I'm using evolution
[09:57] <sahin_h> \sh: And If your company use Exchange 2007 the imap is the last hope... My company does. :-(
[09:58] <\sh> sahin_h, imap works but not with the calendar...and this we need a lot
[09:58] <\sh> sahin_h, so I'm happy with evolution using the webinterface for everything
[09:59] <sahin_h> \sh: Your, right. However I can accept and send meeting request from kontact too.
[09:59] <sahin_h> \sh: Web interface is only needed if I want to set the busy state.
[09:59] <\sh> sahin_h, yeah, but using other calendar resources of my team mates, e.g. when they are on holiday, it's not working...
[10:00] <sahin_h> \sh: Yes, that's true. But in case of exchange 2007 won't work from evolution too.
[10:00] <\sh> sahin_h, yeah, we are using still 2003 or something like this...well it works.
[10:01] <sahin_h> \sh: You are lucky. I'm a looser. :-(
[10:02] <\sh> sahin_h, but the web interface works from firefox ...that's at least a good thing
[10:07] <sahin_h> \sh: Yes fortunately the web interface works.
[10:29] <\sh> Riddell, do we want kmobiletools 0.5.0 beta 3 in gutsy? (bug 131608)
[10:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 131608 in kmobiletools "Please upgrade kmobiletools to version 0.5.0 beta 3" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/131608
[10:30] <\sh> if not, I'll reject this bug as invalid
[11:50] <Riddell> \sh_away: probably not if we're on a stable version at the moment