=== J-Unit [n=jdong@sharkattack.media.mit.edu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Crystal [n=Crystal@c-24-3-245-58.hsd1.mn.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ion_ [i=ion@heh.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=malimonc@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === asac_ [n=asac@debian/developer/asac] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:31] what's the difference between /usr/share/applnk and /usr/share/applications? === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-109-062.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:42] afaik applnk was used by KDE before it switched to applications (which is also used by gnome) [01:44] geser, ok. i am trying to fix Bug 139980 , i'm just not sure quite how to go about it. [01:44] Launchpad bug 139980 in fltk1.1 "fluid missing menu icon" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139980 [01:44] i changed applnk to applications [01:45] I think KDE apps usually go to /usr/share/applications/kde/ [01:45] i was hoping i didnt have to install kde to test [01:46] hmm then there's this? /usr/share/app-install/desktop/ [01:47] that's for gnome-app-install (Add/Remove Applications) [01:48] ah [01:49] xtknight: since it's a standard it'll work in KDE, Gnome, XFCE etc [01:49] Riddell, /usr/share/applications/*.desktop ? [01:49] yes. what's the Categories= line? [01:50] Development [01:50] it was in /usr/share/applnk/Development previously i believe [01:51] paste the line [01:51] this? Categories=Development [01:51] here's the whole desktop file : http://rafb.net/p/dZgM6Y48.html [01:51] after patch === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:59] xtknight: works for me (after I change TryExec to something I have installed) [01:59] although you should add a ; at the end of the categories line [01:59] Riddell, ah ok. an icons shows for you in gnome+kde you mean? [01:59] xtknight: no, that should be changed to Icon=fluid [02:00] ok Icon=fluid didnt work [02:00] do you have a fluid icon installed? [02:01] (this is what it was previously) it showed just a generic icon instead of the fluid icon. i have the fluid icon installed in that specified location @ /usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/apps/fluid.png (as does anyone who installs the package) [02:01] I'm not sure where Icon=fluid tries to locate 'fluid', though [02:01] normal desktop icon paths [02:02] of which the above is one [02:02] ok, somehow that didnt work [02:02] shows icon for me if I install fluid [02:02] maybe it needed to be Icon=fluid.png? [02:02] no [02:02] do you use kde exclusively ? [02:02] yes [02:03] ok didnt work for gnome, i guess [02:03] even with Icon=fluid? [02:03] correct [02:03] but i didnt try Icon=fluid.png yet [02:03] maybe the package is missing dh_iconcache [02:03] to rebuild gnome icon cache ? [02:04] yes [02:04] ya quite possible [02:04] or dh_icons, i guess [02:04] and of course gnome won't use /usr/share/applnk [02:04] maybe, you'd need to ask a gnome person which was the right one [02:04] manual says dh_iconcache was deprecated [02:04] or "will go away" [02:04] ok [02:05] xtknight: where do you see that? [02:05] LaserJock, "man dh_iconcache" [02:06] I don't think it's gone now [02:17] Currently, it's a wrapper around dh_icons [02:17] ah === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === frostburn [n=archlich@cpe-74-74-196-185.rochester.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=JSG@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@tetkyo044183.tkyo.te.ftth2.ppp.infoweb.ne.jp] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thedonvaughn [n=jayson@unaffiliated/printk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-28-242.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Vorian [n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-605a8969e83d3ba0] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dendrobates [n=dendroba@adsl-065-005-186-012.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ArneGoetje [n=arne@flat.iis.sinica.edu.tw] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tehk [n=tehk@c-69-249-157-157.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml [n=jml@dsl-210-15-197-192-static.TAS.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [05:50] Where do I get gutsy support from? [05:51] I am in all the main ubuntu channels but no ones respond. I am just trying to fix this error, http://www1.uploadhut.com/viewimage.php?type=2&id=24975-Screenshot-synaptic.png [05:52] m1ke: please see the /topic [05:53] where can i find a list of default installed devices, services, and configurations [05:54] for desktop/server etc [05:55] frostburn: I think that would entirely dependon your hardware [05:56] LaserJock, can you give me a direction on where to search for the install scripts? [05:56] frostburn: I'm not really sure what you mean [05:57] <`23meg> LaserJock, did you figure out a way to disable the XDG dirs independently? [05:59] yes [06:00] `23meg: if you edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs [06:00] and set the ones you don't want to $HOME/ [06:00] then you can remove them === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:02] <`23meg> ok, thanks [06:02] if you just try to remove the lines it recreates them [06:03] i'm trying to figure out how ubuntu detected my ir receiver and subsequent setup. It was working before, but now is not. I want to see what changed and what changed it. === YokoZar_ [n=scott@c-67-166-147-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:07] hmm, I have no idea [06:07] you'd have to talk to somebody familar with IR I think === kent [n=kent@80.251.192.2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [06:08] i thought it was lirc, but lirc was never installed or setup [06:08] so have you tried installing lirc? [06:09] yes, but requires setup. however my vanilla install worked flawlessly === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Multi-Mode [n=nobody@ool-45736cc1.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XSource [n=XSource@41.201.254.136] has joined #ubuntu-devel === YokoZar_ [n=scott@c-67-166-147-83.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] Good morning [07:37] Morning pitti [07:37] pitti! [07:37] pitti: A miro that provides a transitional package was uploaded yesterday, could you check it and wave it through NEW? [07:37] man, it must be late, and i havent had breakfast yet... === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:37] pitti!! [07:37] StevenK: sure [07:39] pitti: Thanks === maikmerten [n=chatzill@ls5appsrv05.cs.uni-dortmund.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:40] done === kagou [n=Patrice@81.185.185.184] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:42] Good Morning [07:42] pitti: Thanks! === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.52.223] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jml_ [n=jml@ppp121-44-213-76.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === m1ke [n=mike@c-67-186-85-180.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] pitti: I've just re-added moodle to the MIR queue [07:47] pitti: if you can look it over when you get a chance I'd be grateful [07:48] LaserJock: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=moodle makes me cry :( [07:48] I know [07:48] I looked at every single one of them [07:48] took me a good amount of time [07:48] but it seems like upstream has done a lot better with 1.8 === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _TomB [n=tomb@ACCE2934.ipt.aol.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:05] hi pitti === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [n=daniel@i59F77653.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:08] good morning [08:08] morning dholbach! [08:08] hey LongPointyStick === holycow [n=start@S01060016b6b53675.vf.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zic [n=Zic@ubuntu/member/zic] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:36] doko: ping, eclipse === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Leaving"] === ant30 [n=aperezar@19.Red-80-59-20.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === shiyee [n=Shiyee@homer.appl.cs.aau.dk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:53] (apologies for nickspam, changed from remote host to local host) [08:54] LongPointyStick: love the nick [08:55] :) [08:58] summon mvo === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-68e5f765d3eff497] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:11] dholbach: morning === Nuscly [n=nuscly@29-231.206-83.static-ip.oleane.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:12] tepsipakki: ? === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:18] doko: junit4-support has been disabled in eclipse, because junit4 was unavailable? It's now in unstable (4.3.1) [09:19] doko: I just got a request to update that (locally for feisty), and I wonder if it would be as easy to just edit the patch and adjust the build-deps [09:20] a) it's not in gutsy, b) is it found by eclipse? === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] a) right, b) haven't tried yet === seb128_ [n=seb128@ANancy-151-1-37-36.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #ubuntu-devel === macd [n=d@cl-151.ewr-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:26] <\sh> doko, could you have a look at bug 47232 and sponsor this upload? [09:26] Launchpad bug 47232 in redland-bindings "example file provided in /usr/share/doc/python2.4-librdf doesn't work" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47232 === dexem [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:32] mdke: heya - you didn't add a changelog entry - am I supposed to upload and package a new version? [09:33] dholbach: for which? [09:34] mdke: regarding your email: ubuntu-docs [09:36] dholbach: ah, no - i didn't mean to ask you to do an upload, just general FYI [09:37] mdke: ah ok - thanks a lot for that [09:39] dholbach: i wanted to ask about something else. You know the script that strips out unneeded directories for the ubuntu-docs source package? It looks like it didn't get run last time; do you think it would be a good idea to include it in debian/rules? [09:39] mdke: yeah, we could do that [09:39] ok, i'll maybe add it for the next version [09:40] put it in the clean:: target [09:41] dholbach: ok === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:54] dholbach: will you attend the Gutsy release party on 26th of october? [09:54] dholbach: the Berlin one [09:54] ccm: chances are good :) [09:55] dholbach: Won't you be on your way west at that time? [09:55] soren: urgh, yeah, I am === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:55] dholbach: that sounds good, I actually had the idea of asking you if think think it's a good idea letting you show your dj skills there, too. but iI'll to so via mail. [09:55] ccm: no, I'm not going to be there :-( [09:55] I'll be on my way to UDS already [09:56] okay [09:56] Sorry to spoil your fun :) [09:56] thanks for clearing that out, soren ;9 [09:57] ccm: :) [09:57] hi soren [09:57] ajmitch: Hi, Andrew. [09:58] ajmitch: Did you ever get round to doing that Samba update? === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:58] sure [09:59] Greetings everybody! [09:59] hi all [09:59] BenC: ping ? [09:59] BenC: i need you two minutes :) [09:59] 3.0.26, just trying to test out a fix for bug 139265 [09:59] Launchpad bug 139265 in samba "localized pam == no samba password changing" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139265 [10:00] everything else is merged [10:02] saispo: not really his TZ... [10:04] pitti: i think [10:04] pitti: i need a Ubuntu kernel hacker :) === Zdra [n=zdra@225.253-242-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dexem_ [n=dani@14.Red-88-26-177.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee wonders when UDS actually starts [10:11] ajmitch: Ah, great. [10:12] oh, hmm. any aussies going would probably miss the release entirely. [10:13] Hobbsee: Huh? [10:13] Hobbsee: It takes a week to get from Aussieland to Boston? [10:14] soren: oh, i thought the release was on the 26th, as well as the release parties. [10:14] soren: sure feels like it, though. or did for spain. === soren mumbles something about the apparant differences between release managers' schedule and everyone else's. [10:15] :P [10:15] soren: well, i'm not the release manager, so... === Hobbsee is just going off what launchpad says === soren does a s/release manager's/members of the release team's/g === Hobbsee has no idea what, if anything, she'll be doign on the release team soon. === Hobbsee will have to wait and see [10:20] <\sh> doko, thx === dholbach_ [n=daniel@i59F741C8.versanet.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [i=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Znarl [n=znarl@deep-thought.roundabout.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:41] pitti: locate is quite handy, and indexer only list files in your user directory === pygi [n=mario@78-0-2-230.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bigon [i=bigon@ubuntu/member/bigon] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF_ [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [i=egon@nat/canonical/x-4dba28c88cb7846d] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] pitti: hi, are the gutsy daily langpacks built somewhere? [10:55] mhb: they get uploaded straight to gutsy [10:55] I thought it's http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/ubuntu-langpack/ubuntu/ [10:57] pitti: 20070905 according to my apt [10:57] pitti: that's not exactly daily [10:58] mhb: I only build them twice a week, but that's indeed old [10:59] hmm [10:59] seems like for some reason, I'm not updating the link to the latest export... [10:59] ah, indeed, that's it === carlos checks === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] uh oh, it's jono, everyone behave. === jono casts his beady eye on #ubuntu-devel [11:01] :) === Hobbsee looks innocent === Keybuk [i=scott@nat/canonical/x-f392179ad48fe7c5] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] seb128: how do I stop everything complaining that /usr/bin/esd doesn't exist? [11:04] how did I end up without esd? [11:04] Keybuk: talk to pitti, he patched libgnome to use aplay [11:04] Keybuk: we unseeded esound, because it's evil and doesn't do any good nowadays [11:04] Keybuk: however, when someone installs it, it should still be used IMHO [11:05] err, ok... [11:09] we should patch gnome-desktop-environment (of meta-gnome) to not depends on esound too then :) [11:14] Hi mvo === hoora30 [i=hoora@gateway/tor/x-db124a1aa041cab9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] hey ion_, thanks for your mail [11:16] Heres the hardware-connected source, btw: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ion/hardware-connected/main/annotate/johan%40kiviniemi.name-20070915054427-yxtfsp35hsf292a1?file_id=hardware_connected.c-20070408174135-e35gqc0of07mn3iy-1 === pochu [n=emilio@84.Red-83-57-218.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sahin_h [n=ezaz@dsl5400DB18.pool.t-online.hu] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-d30daf522a4a695e] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:21] mvo: In case you decide to use hardware-connected, theres a branch with Ubuntu packaging for it as well. === didymo [n=ashley@CPE-61-9-197-223.static.nsw.bigpond.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] ion_: aha, I was going to ask if its available inside ubuntu already [11:23] mvo: Unfortunately i only made the packaging two days ago. === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === vprints [n=vprints@213-35-241-248-dsl.end.estpak.ee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:28] Hi! mvo, mhb asked me to ask you to move the restricted manager .mo file to a langpack common to both Gnome and Kde === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] vprints: you probably want to talk to me [11:30] vprints: indeed, that would be a good idea [11:30] Hi pitti [11:30] :) [11:30] So You agree ? [11:31] vprints: in principle yes, but we don't yet get translations for restricted in langpack exports [11:31] carlos: ^ that's still true, correct? [11:32] pitti: we don't update them automatically [11:32] pitti: but if you provide with updates manually, the export should include it) [11:33] pitti: it's just one package, right? [11:33] carlos: how do you mean? [11:33] carlos: yes, restricted-manager [11:33] send me the tarball and I will upload it manually until we fix that in our code to get it done automatically [11:33] ah, I see [11:33] also, you need to strip translations or the ones from language packs will not be used ever [11:33] carlos: I already do that === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.student.PriceChild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === allee [n=ach@allee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] ok [11:35] then, provide me with latest tarball and I will do an upload [11:35] pitti: also, I will check that language packs keep exporting those translations, even not being in main [11:36] carlos: does the tarball need to have current translations from Rosetta? [11:37] carlos: the .po files in trunk are some weeks old already [11:37] no need to, just the tarball that the package build produces [11:38] so we do manually what is done automatically for main [11:38] carlos: http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/restricted-manager_0.31_amd64_translations.tar.gz [11:38] pitti: ok, thanks [11:39] carlos: thanks for handholding it [11:39] pitti, carlos, thankyou! [11:39] np === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:41] vprints, pitti: You can track its import status from https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/restricted-manager/+imports [11:41] it would take one or two days to get it imported because we are finishing importing OO.org which adds some delays to the queue [11:41] <\sh> seb128, do you happen to know who I can recreate my local gconf default settings? those which are shipped by default of ubuntu? [11:41] <\sh> s/who/how/ [11:42] \sh: rm -rf .gconf [11:42] \sh: you will also delete your configs though [11:42] like evolution accounts, etc [11:42] <\sh> seb128, well, this I did, since then I don't have any default icons and no default key-accels [11:42] you can gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /app/appname also [11:43] what do you mean? [11:44] <\sh> seb128, all my settings were destroyed during an update 2 weeks ago...and I deleted all .gonf* dirs and .gnome* dirs [11:44] <\sh> since then I can't use plain metacity anymore and somehow the menu icons are disappeared too === \sh should reinstall gutsy on his laptop... [11:45] that is very weird [11:45] what icon theme do you use? [11:45] <\sh> seb128, default from human.... [11:45] does it work with a different user? [11:45] <\sh> seb128, it's not showing anything, but the menu text entries [11:46] carlos, i checked, a bit old translations there in the upload, will it update itself automaticaaly after upload beign completed or not before you fix it in the code ? [11:48] vprints: sorry, I don't understand what you mean... === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === boggle is now known as TeTeT [11:49] vprints: the only code I'm going to fix is to allow automatic translation updates based on the package build [11:50] so I don't need to do it manually like we did today [11:51] carlos, ok, i asked it cause i didn't understand exactly what pitti and you were talking about fixing the code =P [11:51] vprints: is it clear now? [11:51] Yes, thankyou === carlos is not touching the application code [11:51] :-) [11:54] pitti: any hints where to best place the metric tweak? [11:54] pitti: (about nm routing) [11:54] asac: in the route invocation in ifupdown, I think [11:55] pitti: so the idea is to set cost of standard interfaces to 1, right? [11:55] (while nm gets 0 by default) [11:55] asac: s/cost/metric/, yes [11:55] it feels like a Gross Hack (TM) to me, though === c1|freaky [n=alpha@team.code-1.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:56] any other ideas? [11:57] asac: e. g. look at the 'route' output in feisty or newer; there are 'metric 1000' default routes for link-local === dexem__ [n=dani@186.Red-83-63-158.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:57] asac: other ideas> unfortunately not; n-m and ifupdown will continue to mess with each other's configuration in either case [11:59] pitti: so it should just work? [11:59] asac: in theory, with above approach, n-m can override ifupdown's default route [11:59] pitti: or does the default route also needs a tweaked metric? [12:00] asac: from r-m? no, shouldn't (it defaults to 0) [12:00] oh nevermind === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:02] cjwatson, Mithrandir: bug 125015 falls under feature freeze and I'm the assignee, so I don't want to judge myself; WDYT? [12:02] Launchpad bug 125015 in restricted-manager "Add support for sl-modem-daemon" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125015 [12:02] cjwatson, Mithrandir: the code itself will be relatively simple, the question is more that we didn't extensively test sl-modem so far [12:03] iwj_: ^ how much testing did sl-modem-daemon get so far? [12:04] pitti: Hi. [12:04] hello Ian! [12:04] IMHO it's good to add it; after all, it's not enabled by default, and once you enable it, you can disable it again if it doesn't work [12:05] I think it's pretty solid and not likely to make too much of a mess. [12:06] iwj: sorry, this bug got dragged too long by me, no time for it yet [12:06] I did some testing of sl-modem-daemon myself - you'll remember it from the distro sprint. [12:06] right [12:06] And I gave it another test at the last tribe. [12:06] Err, the mythical tribe 6 I mean. [12:07] pitti: I don't have a problem with it [12:07] cjwatson: good, thanks [12:08] iwj: did you got my mail about progress reporting and triggers [12:08] Probably but I haven't read it yet ... === iwj looks. [12:10] In answer to your question, no, there is no way to know in advance how many trigger processing steps will be needed. [12:10] Triggers can trigger other triggers, so even the number of outstanding triggers is no good as it can increase. === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:13] iwj: do you have an idea how common it is that the snd_intel8x0m don't match, but /proc/asound/cards contains 'Modem'? [12:13] iwj: that case (r-m handlers not attached to a kernel module) is not currently supported in the r-m architecture [12:14] iwj: it's not too hard to add either, but if it's just an academic case, we might get away without hacking it in for gutsy [12:14] There are other modules as well I think. [12:15] ah, that way around; I see [12:15] wtf is noweb :/ [12:15] I think snd-intel8x0m is exactly that kind of modem. [12:16] asac: you don't know Knuth's WEB? [12:16] asac: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WEB [12:16] The sl-modem-daemon package has a list of modules is daftly messes with, one of which doesn't appear to exist at all, but IIRC I haven't been able to test any but intel8x0m. [12:16] pitti: well now i know it ;) [12:17] s/is daftly/it daftly/ === iceman [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:18] snd-via82xx-modem snd-atiixp-modem# [12:20] ok, so I better add support for arbitrary 'is this hw available' methods (more than just modalias testing) [12:21] I think that would probably be best, yes. === Keybuk [i=scott@nat/canonical/x-8b8dc5f6d5f0515c] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:24] mvo: unpatched version of mplayer is fine === MacSlow [i=mirco@unaffiliated/macslow] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:33] Keybuk: rock, thanks for testing === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === baltix [n=administ@ctv-84-55-6-18.init.lt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] hi all [12:40] carlos: hi, is there a way to workaround the old daily langpacks in Gutsy and get the more recent version? === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:40] who is responsible for daily builds of Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu images ? [12:41] mhb: that's a question for Pitti, he's the one producing the .deb packages you need, I only produce the tar.gz with the translations [12:41] baltix: the CD image team (including me). What's up? [12:42] mhb: unfortunately not, since everything relies on the 'current' symlinks [12:42] mhb: once this is fixed, the cronjobs will upload recent stuff to gutsy again === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:42] cjwatson: livecd-base isn't put in cdimage.ubuntu.com since April or March === mrsno [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs3-0-0-cust868.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] cjwatson: look at this log for example http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/livecd-base/gutsy/livecd-base-20070801.log [12:43] pitti: could you perhaps take a guess on how long will it take? From now until the cronjobs upload it? === Loevborg [n=loevborg@dslb-084-056-015-172.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] carlos: ah, did you find out why the symlink wasn't updated? [12:44] mhb: I trigger a run now; ETA an hour or so === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:45] mhb: (however, that will not yet contain r-m translations) === mrsno__ [n=mrsno@cpc3-blfs3-0-0-cust868.belf.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:46] pitti: great, thanks! r-m translation can wait, I wanted to be able to check the missing translations in other apps [12:47] pitti: I fixed it manually, although today, I don't think we will produce new ones, we are doing QA testing and the db mirror was not updated today === bluekuja_ [n=andrea@host104-235-dynamic.1-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:49] also something wrong is with Ubuntu CD build logging system - last build log is more than 40 days old... [12:49] look at http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/cd-build-logs/ubuntu/gutsy/?C=M;O=A [12:53] baltix: thanks, working on all that [12:54] carlos: by the way, I've seen that you plan to finally fix the support of KDE plural forms in LP 1.1.9. Would it be possible to trigger an upstream sync after the release, so there won't be BROKEN TRANSLATION all over Kubuntu Gutsy? [12:55] mhb: danilo is working on it, we will try to fix it when possible [12:55] Riddell: do you think would be possible to get a kde-i18n update for Gutsy at the end of this week ? [12:56] cjwatson: btw, maybe you know why there are no daily builds in cdimage.ubuntu.com since friday ? [12:56] carlos: okay, thanks. [12:56] baltix: one at a time already [12:56] mhb: btw, the code is already in our development server, if nothing bad happens during the QA testing, it should be deployed next Wednesday [12:57] mhb: including native support for KDE context strings too [12:58] iwj: would it be possible to pass something that trigger processing has started over the status-fd? then I could make the progress bar at least pulse [12:59] NB that trigger processing might be interspersed with configuration. [12:59] But I think you already ought to get a message about trigger processing. [01:00] carlos: unlikely, I am on holiday, why? [01:00] Riddell: ok, let me rephrase it :-) === Spads [i=spacehob@nat/canonical/x-796f4732ba41cfb8] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] iwj: I don't think so, I think only if it happens during the configure phase of a package, but not when dpkg processes the outstanding triggers [01:00] Riddell: would be possible to get it done before Gutsy release? [01:00] cjwatson: where does isolinux.cfg and other files in isolinux/ on the CD get created? [01:00] Riddell: not before Wednesday-Thursday [01:01] carlos: possibly, you think we should take an svn snapshot of KDE 3 translations? [01:01] Riddell: we just added kde plural form support to launchpad so that's the easier way to get all plural form messages with format strings 'fixed' [01:01] mvo: Let me check. [01:01] Riddell: that would help to be more up to date with what KDE has right now [01:02] so if that's not a problem for you as the packager, I'm fine with it [01:02] carlos: ok, that shold be possible after beta (two weeks) [01:02] ok, thank you [01:03] iwj: is there an easy way to detect whether the daemon is actually active and successfully found a modem? like testing for the presence of an 'slmodemd' process, if it will terminate if it didn't find an appropriate modem? [01:04] It creates a /dev/modem symlink. [01:04] (But I don't know if it removes it again.) [01:04] mvo: Have you seen bug 139791? I'm happy to fix it, I just need a pointer around aptitude's data structures. [01:04] Launchpad bug 139791 in aptitude "aptitude changelogs 404 when the source is in a different component to the binary package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/139791 [01:04] Testing for the daemon running is probably reasonable too. [01:04] baltix: livecd-base fixed, build logs fixed [01:04] thanks for the reports [01:04] iwj: Won't udev also do the same thing? [01:05] iwj: /dev/modem sounds great; it will disappear after a reboot anyway [01:05] baltix: with regard to daily builds, the CD build system seems to be having trouble connecting to bazaar.launchpad.net for the seeds [01:05] iwj: and r-m does not support immediate disabling anyway (you need a reboot to disable a module, too) [01:05] Riddell: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/bzr/debian-cd/ubuntu/ === agoliveira [n=adilson@201.47.77.158.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:05] cjwatson: thank you very much [01:05] Riddell: specifically tools/boot/gutsy/boot-* === boggle [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:08] baltix: I believe I've installed a workaround for connecting to bazaar.launchpad.net; rerunning Ubuntu daily builds now [01:09] seb128: random Q. how do I search tracker ? === boggle is now known as TeTeT [01:09] seb128: deskbar applet or Applications -> Accessoires -> Tracker search [01:11] pitti: I haven't tested this, note - eg, I don't know for sure that you might not have another /dev/modem. [01:11] iwj: can I steal 5 minutes of your time to test the new sl-modem-daemon love in restricted-manager? [01:11] OMG, that "Tracker Search Tool" should be purged for crimes to usability === Gman is now known as GmanAFK [01:12] iwj: I ANDed the test with "sl-modem-daemon package is installed"; that should be close enough for now [01:12] iwj: and I can always refine that later [01:12] ssh: connect to host bazaar.launchpad.net port 22: Connection timed out [01:12] argh [01:12] iwj: new package is on http://people.ubuntu.com/~pitti/tmp/ (restricted-manager{,-core} [01:12] Smells like firewalling. [01:12] Or hosts.{allow,deny} [01:13] obviously [01:13] but cdimage shouldn't be using ssh to bazaar.launchpad.net in the first place [01:13] iwj: I don't have such a modem anywhere, so I could only test it with some faking [01:13] pitti: Eh ? Not sure I follow how ANDing with the package being installed helps. [01:13] cjwatson: Ah. I will stop trying to second guess you, then. :-) [01:14] iwj: it only avoids showing the driver as 'in use' when the package is not even installed, but the admin created another /dev/modem [01:14] OIC [01:14] OK. [01:14] I'll give it a whirl. [01:14] iwj: it doesn't help at all with asserting that /dev/modem is in fact the softmodem, of course [01:14] iwj: thanks a lot! === pitti fixes a typo in the rationale [01:14] ah [01:15] it just took ssh that long to time out from an earlier manual attempt, and it was running in the background forked by bzr ... [01:16] cjwatson: thanks === baltix [n=administ@ctv-84-55-6-18.init.lt] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === ivoks [n=ivoks@33-67.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:20] yay, seb128 is back, 0wning -changes again :) === pitti hugs seb === seb128 hugs pitti [01:21] Keybuk: fileselector, nautilus search, applications, accessoirtes, tracker [01:22] Keybuk: I need to change deskbar to activate the tracker plugin by default also [01:22] can you get to nautilus search from the desktop? [01:23] ctrl-F === orkid1 [n=heniek@pc129.am.osi.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:24] hi, I just installed gutsy from netboot, and I cannot run tasksel, it exits with an error. [01:24] can't use "audio creation and editing suite" as an array REF, while strict refs is in use. [01:24] at line 84. [01:24] Any ideas? === iceman__ [n=iceman@cable-87-244-153-189.upc.chello.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] cjwatson: "There is no conspiracy" === jamiemcc [n=jamie@82-32-8-26.cable.ubr02.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pmatulis [n=pmatulis@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] damnit orkid1 don't ask a question leave [01:29] s/leave/and leave/ [01:29] seb128: that doesn't search evolution mails though? [01:30] Keybuk: I'm not sure, doesn't look like [01:30] :-( [01:31] trackerd is spending the majority of its time indexing the tens of thousands of evo mails I get [01:31] and I can't seem to find out how you search them :p [01:33] using tracker-search or tracker-search-tool? [01:33] Keybuk: the tracker search tools should do it [01:35] Keybuk: do you have mail indexing enabled? System>Preferences>Indexing [01:35] pochu: yes [01:35] tracker-search-tool returns no results for "seb128" [01:35] Keybuk: oh, there's a bug, which is fixed in svn trunk, I think [01:35] soren: :-) [01:36] Keybuk: bug 138778 [01:36] Launchpad bug 138778 in tracker "tracker doesn't find results for email address" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138778 === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable045.37-82-70.mc.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:36] Keybuk: maybe tracker is still indexing or maybe you face a bug [01:36] Keybuk: ask jamiemcc [01:36] keybuk: tracker-status [01:36] Tracker daemon's status is Indexing. [01:37] bext wait then [01:37] it's never NOT indexing [01:37] it's been indexing since it was installed [01:37] and it's still indexing now === chand [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] jamiemcc: looks like bug 138778 [01:37] Launchpad bug 138778 in tracker "tracker doesn't find results for email address" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/138778 [01:38] pochu: that fix is committed to svn === orkid1 [n=heniek@pc129.am.osi.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel === glatzor [n=renate@p57AEF95D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:38] Is the current tasksel busted, or is it just my version that's giving me errors regarding 'strict' and DESC on line 84? [01:40] orkid1: Word of advice: Stick around for more than 2 minutes if you ask a question. [01:40] I couldn't before, since I was in recovery mode, and wanted to try regular mode again. was there any response? === Amaranth [i=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] <\sh> seb128, do you know if http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=459270 is fixed by your latest pygtk upload? [01:41] Gnome bug 459270 in win32 "opening sub-menus" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [01:42]