=== crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-61-86.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK is now known as ScottK2 === ScottK-confused [n=ScottK@static-72-81-252-22.bltmmd.fios.verizon.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK-confused is now known as ScottK === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-189-95.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === bddebian [n=bdefrees@c-71-224-175-179.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=Sea@60.20.52.223] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger_ [n=me@N918P026.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cmvo [n=cmvo@ex4.73a.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | KDE 4.0 beta 2 -- http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php | Meeting Thursday 1300UTC === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by sebas at Thu Sep 6 14:16:49 2007 === czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-042-050.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _czessi_ [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-051-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:46] oi oi [05:47] chickenboy === n8k99 realizes we were not singing [05:48] hehe [05:48] how's school going? [05:49] not bad actually...I was expecting worse seeing as I am taking 3 advanced programming courses at the same time...but luckily my java instructor is stupid, so we aren't learning anything that would confuse my other studies :) [05:49] n8k99: guess what? [05:50] what coreymon77 [05:50] that's awesome nixternal [05:50] n8k99: chicken butt! [05:50] oh no! [05:50] man, I have gotten addicted to Project Euler === coreymon77 realizes that we are not doing that joke [05:51] Project Euler [05:51] http://projecteuler.net === n8k99 puts coreymon77 on his pay no mind list [05:51] sorry [05:51] it is a list of 150 math questions you code out to get the answer [05:51] im just a tiny bit hyper and a tiny bit bored right now [05:52] nixternal: guess why === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:53] ? [05:53] ! [05:53] wasabi skreechy [05:53] nixternal: chicken pie!!! [05:53] manchicken pie! [05:54] that doesn't even sound pretty [05:54] daSkreech: guess which? [05:54] oh no! [05:54] oh no! [05:54] freeflying chicken itch? [05:54] daSkreech: chicken's bitch/shit, whichever one you like [05:55] and finally [05:55] n8k99: guess who? === n8k99 likes the look of Project Euhler [05:56] n8k99: CHICKEN POO! [05:56] :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D [05:56] okay [05:56] thanks, no really thanks [05:56] im done [05:56] Ha ha I heard someone talking about chicken paws today [05:56] that' was funny to the end [05:56] hmm, i wonder what question word i could use there [05:57] daSkreech: you missed the first one [05:57] daSkreech: the classic [05:57] n8k99: link? [05:57] i wouldn't say he _missed it_ [05:58] daSkreech:guess what? [05:58] http://projecteuhler.net [05:58] coreymon77: http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu.TfTO9GOTcB8wJXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTFhMm5vNXI2BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA2FjMgR2dGlkA01BUDAxMV85NARsA1dTMQ--/SIG=12ennld53/EXP=1190174303/**http%3a//www.onehorseshy.com/lowbrow/guess_what_chicken_butt [05:58] thanks to nixternal [05:58] daSkreech: chicken butt [05:59] coreymon77: ^^^^ [05:59] n8k99: times out for me [05:59] daSkreech: is that one of those pages of "how to keep an idiot busy" [05:59] n8k99: that is supposed to be http://projecteuler.net [05:59] oh right thanks === n8k99 kant spell [06:00] coreymon77: take a look at it [06:00] daSkreech: because it keeps on going back to the same "document has moved here" page [06:00] so i take it it is [06:00] coreymon77: the link I sent you? === daSkreech prods coreymon77 [06:03] nixternal: so how far along have you gotten with this? [06:03] I am on #15 right now [06:04] are you working in ordr/ [06:04] order? [06:05] yes [06:05] wow cool [06:06] daSkreech: i looked at it [06:07] it keeps on returning me to the same, this document has moved here page [06:07] and every time i click here it goes back to the same page [06:07] coreymon77: http://www.onehorseshy.com/lowbrow/guess_what_chicken_butt/ [06:08] i saw === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jpetso [n=jpetso@chello084112133091.25.11.vie.surfer.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-051-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh === coreymon77 [n=coreymon@ubuntu/member/coreymon77] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:50] Jucato: you back? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:23] Jucato: could you post the screenshot troy dcced to you? [09:29] good morning everyone === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:32] mhb: goodnight to you [09:33] coreymon77: you're awake again? :o) [09:33] mhb: isnt it interesting how timezones do that [09:33] mhb: i was just about to leave, you know, last minute checks of irc before you close it and go to bed [09:33] coreymon77: true, although it is a bit bothersome, especially when you want to work together with people from different TZ [09:34] no shit [09:34] anyways [09:34] goodnight [09:34] night coreymon77 === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:37] <_StefanS_> morning kids [09:37] <_StefanS_> :D [09:37] <_StefanS_> Jucato! [09:37] <_StefanS_> why arent you sleeping ? [09:38] _StefanS_: how can you be sure he's not sleeping? [09:39] <_StefanS_> my psychic powers :D [09:39] <_StefanS_> nah he's always up late === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-157-150.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=martin@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marcel [n=marcel@wc-50.r-195-35-150.atwork.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === aplg|mobile [n=me@193.170.67.43] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sahin_w [n=KT@210.216.53.194] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:28] gwenview 1.4.2 just released... [10:28] Is there any chance to include it to Gutsy? [10:28] sahin_w: no [10:29] mhb: Ok. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:35] mhb: http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=312 [10:36] (_Stefan_'s psychic powers were wrong... I *was* sleeping :P) [10:37] Jucato: my psychic powers are unrivaled :o) === Hobbsee waves [10:37] heheh [10:38] hi Hobbsee === Jucato waves back [10:39] Jucato: could you post the image then? [10:39] post where? [10:39] Jucato: you have a website, don't you? Or bayimg or anywhere... [10:39] that link isn't enough? [10:40] Jucato: he dcced it to you [10:40] I couldn't receive the DCC [10:40] so he just posted it in imagepaste [10:40] the link to which I gave above [10:41] Jucato: here? I must be either blind or it happened when my connection slipped for a minute? [10:41] [16:35] mhb: http://imagepaste.nulldigital.net/viewimage.php?id=312 [10:41] it was immediately before I said something about _Stefan_'s psychic powers [10:41] Jucato: ah, yes [10:42] Jucato: I am blind [10:42] apparently :) [10:42] now, since I just woke up.. I'm looking for someone to eat [10:42] bbl === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54956827.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee pokes adept with a big stick === viviersf [n=cain@196.44.1.98] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-125-167.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:29] Hobbsee: you need an even bigger, pointier, and doomier stick for that :) === Hobbsee stabs vodafone with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [11:33] hehe :) [11:34] voice recognition, etc, software is only ever any good if it actually gets the correct information *across*. === marseillai wonders how kde4base for feisty backport has been build [11:35] arfffff changelog says feisty-backport for release and not feisty === apachelogger__ [n=me@N850P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-81-125.w90-29.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:45] hmm, I've got a strange problem here - Apple MacBook brightness can be changed in Ubuntu, but cannot in Kubuntu. [11:45] what can I do to fix it? [11:45] I mean - is there someone who has knowledge of both KDE and HAL/these things? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-125-167.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:03] I am actually trying to have a lok at bug #121984 [12:03] Launchpad bug 121984 in kdepim "kandy: no icon in kubuntu feisty's kde menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121984 [12:03] f I understood correctly the idea is to nt dupplicate stuffs... so let the icons in the kdeartwork-theme-icon package and not ship them with the kandy package... [12:03] but the kdeartwork-theme-icon install icons in usr/share/icons/ikons/XXxXX/icons which is not a path where the icons for installed applications .. or am I missing something ? [12:03] can anybody explain me a bit the way of processing ? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-66-063.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-66-219.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === milian [n=milian@p57BB1363.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:43] kwwii: I am surprised, some pretty neat stuff at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/GutsyIdeas [12:43] mhb: yeah, looks like we are getting the community back on track [12:44] ooh, i like waves.jpg there [12:44] (still brown yay! :P) [12:44] leather? hahah! :) [12:45] brownfluid and redbrownatomspin... I like those... === mhb likes the elephant === adrian_osl [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:46] hey those from troy_s are good too... the solar one + the ubuntu logo would probably be nice... [12:47] hey that's an idea... why not make the wallpapers use the animal metaphor too :) === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:48] Jucato: that's one of the reasons why I like the elephant ... it's blue, it's nice, it is African [12:49] Jucato: http://meglyman.deviantart.com/art/Gutsy-Gibbon-64270409 === osl [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === osl_ [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === osl__ [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:49] hola chicos === osl is now known as SiNiESTrO [12:49] kwwii: lol! hahaha === osl_ is now known as Moises === osl__ is now known as cluster [12:49] roflmao [12:49] hola chica === cluster is now known as jregueirar [12:49] Jucato: she has paintings for all the older names as wel [12:49] er.. lots of clones === Jucato looks [12:52] kwwii: I guess we can't make the elephant default for kubuntu, can we? :D nah, just kidding. I don't want to be Just Another Developer That Talks Into Artwork :o) === Jucato thought mhb already was :) [12:53] and what's wrong with that? :) [12:53] Jucato: right, I sometimes do talk into it... but I respect The Artist [12:54] you say it like you can't be both developer and artist. :) === never|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-69-088.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:55] Jucato: sometimes you can, unfortunately I'm not [12:55] aw.. too modest :P [12:56] Jucato: no, really. I envy those guys that can say "oh, let's do an elephant-skin-like wallpaper" and just do it === Jucato envies the those guys who "just do it". period. :) === Jucato never realized so many *nix materials (screenshots) in deviantart... === huats is now known as huats_ [01:00] kwwii: is it alright to blog about some images on the Artwork/Incoming or should I rather wait until Gutsy Final? === Jucato <--- dinner [01:01] would be nice to get all those artwork ideas up in *buntu-look.org === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Paleo [n=paleo@admin.kollide.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:20] mhb: sure, blog away :-) === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === testing [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === testing_ [n=osl@87-194-29-91.bethere.co.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Zanav59 [i=top@gateway/tor/x-6dadb9a4b3c0f431] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@ubuntu/member/mhb] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@mue-88-130-77-081.dsl.tropolys.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] nixternal: pokey [01:53] nixternal: I'd like to translate the Kubuntu Welcome Page in Firefox, where can I do that? [02:03] oh my, the login screen with the elephant background is so beautiful! === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === huats_ is now known as huats === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [02:38] sorry to insist but I might need a litlle help.... i am trying to solve bug #121984, and I just need an answer to be sure that I am not doing something wrong .... so far all related kandy icons are included in kdeartwork-theme-icon... but inside kdeartwork-theme-icon nothing is going to install a kandy icon on /usr/share/app-install/icons ... So I was wondering if I can do just like it is... [02:38] Launchpad bug 121984 in kdepim "kandy: no icon in kubuntu feisty's kde menu" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/121984 [02:38] ...done for kpilot, i-e to provide an icon inside the kandy package... Is it correct ? I don't know since it is dupplicating icons... [02:50] morning :) [02:51] moin jjesse! [02:51] how are you Jucato? [02:51] feeling (a bit) better. thank you :) [02:52] glad you are feeling (a bit) better [02:52] heheh === jjesse is looking for a good schedule to figure out when he should be at UDS - Boston === Jucato hopes Boston+1 or 2 would be near asia again :) [02:53] hi jjesse [02:54] hello mhb === huats [n=huats@194.98.120.3] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [03:04] are there kde4 beta pacakges available for gutsy or ? [03:04] !kde4 [03:04] KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see . The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php [03:05] thanks ubotu === Jucato snifs [03:05] thanks Jucato [03:05] hehehe :) [03:06] so by default the pacakges are in gutsy then? or do i still have install kdebase-workspace? [03:10] kdebase-workspace I think === freeflying [n=freeflyi@123.116.101.235] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mhb pokes Jucato === Jucato pokes mbh back [03:17] Jucato: could you do me a favor and test if the print screen button works in kdm? [03:18] Jucato: because every recipe on the net I've seen (and tested) doesn't work [03:18] um... from memory, I don't think it does... [03:18] hold on a sec.. [03:19] Jucato: I would assume that, but I cannot test it myself [03:20] doesn't work for me. sorry === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.52.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.52.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:31] Jucato: nevermind, I managed to take the screenshot [03:31] Jucato: thanks [03:31] oh. nice :) === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:50] is there any plan to remove some of the unneeded "kde" menu entries ? === Jucato wonders what those would be [03:55] i have entries for : input actions, keyboard, keyboard layout etc [03:55] isnt it supposed to be accessed via system settings === Jucato doesn't have those [03:56] in the K menu? === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === daSkreech [n=chatzill@72.252.28.11] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:10] So there seems to have been a decision made to put enabled compiz on Ubuntu by default, and I'm wondering if a similar decision has been made with Kubuntu. [04:11] enabled? O.o [04:11] Jucato, well i get them in gnome on my other pc :( [04:11] but gnome and kde acts the same to those :( [04:11] hold [04:11] maby its my fault [04:11] manchicken: pft. [04:11] I don't know about how well compiz works for Ubuntu, but it doesn't seem to be quite there yet for Kubuntu. I get the feeling that compiz folks will be waiting for KDE4 before working too much with KDE, which I think is kinda to their detriment. [04:11] manchicken: we like our cds stable, thanks. [04:11] viviersf: you are seeing these menu items in GNOME's menu? [04:12] Hobbsee: Well if compiz folks were actually focusing on KDE3 stability, I'm sure it'd be much better. [04:12] manchicken: kde4 has composite, so... [04:12] manchicken: oh, true. but they dont, so... [04:13] Hobbsee: Well I'd also like every GNOME user who uses compiz that claims KDE has hard-to-use configs to now stand up and apologize, as compiz is ridiculously difficult to configure. [04:13] hehe [04:13] Jucato, yes, and i just checked the .desktop files and they are set to show :( [04:13] I used it for a while, and it does seem mostly stable. [04:13] yeah. it's a sort of kde + gconf scenario, which makes it a pain [04:13] I stopped using it for its glaring omissions of functionality more than its stability. === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:13] This concept of "viewports" needs to be done away with. [04:14] We've already got virtual desktops. We should stick with what is already there and what is already supported. [04:14] btw, "workspaces" = GNOME's virtual desktops... but the whole workspace -> viewport -> virtual desktop mess is what's driving me against compiz/beryl === bddebian [n=bdefrees@63.81.56.182] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:15] but in Compiz+GNOME I think viewport and workspace work together, 1 workspace = 1 viewport. not so with KDE [04:16] Jucato: Really? I was under the impression that a viewport was its own thing entirely. [04:16] Jucato: It makes more sense if what you say is the case. === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:16] Heya [04:17] in KDE I think it was 1 viewport = 4 virtual desktops... so if you had 4 viewports (since you'd think they translate to virtual desktops) you'd have 16 of those things... [04:17] but still 4 viewports/faces of the cube.. [04:17] it's a bit confusing iirc... [04:22] Jucato: No, in KDE 1 viewport is independent of desktops. You can have 8 viewports if you like. [04:22] It's X number of viewports on N number of desktops. Each desktop has X number of viewports. [04:22] And it makes no freaking sense. [04:22] or something like that :) [04:22] compiz won't manage the virtual desktops. [04:22] Just the viewports. [04:23] It needs to just get rid of viewports and stick with virtual desktops. [04:23] neither does beryl afaik... [04:23] I think Beryl is being abandoned. [04:23] It's "compiz-fusion" now. [04:23] manchicken: they merged, rather than abandoning [04:23] hehe same banana :) [04:24] they both don't "Just work" with KDE [04:24] true. but the fire is cool! [04:24] And compiz-fusion lacks some very nice functionality that kwin has that I'm just not happy to give up. [04:24] Hobbsee: For about 10 minutes :) [04:24] manchicken: for longer than taht :P [04:24] Hobbsee: And then again when you're showing it to someone else :) [04:27] Riddell: is there a way to build kde4base for feisty on PPA? if i set release in changelog to feisty it fails with build dependency missing. and if I set release to feisty-changelog it fails due to "PPA uploads must be for the RELEASE pocket." So my question is : How did you do to make it build???? [04:28] marseillai_: i thought i said to ask cprov that? [04:28] I wish KDE4 were in a state where I could start using it more extensively. [04:28] marseillai_: he would have uploaded it as feisty to ppa, had it all build there, and reuploaded it with proper versioning to feisty-backports, i expect [04:28] maybe beta3 manchicken... [04:29] but most devs are able to use the basics I think... running a full KDE 4 session... [04:29] Hobbsee: it doesn't build with feisty === Jucato will try that next week.. but has some issues with user accounts :) [04:29] marseillai_: he would have uplaoded the other stuff it requires to the ppa too === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse_ [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has joined #kubuntu-devel === serzholino [n=serzholi@16x.zp.ua] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away [04:59] marseillai_: it's annoying, you need to upload all the dependencies to the ppa too === Jucato waves to Riddell :) [04:59] look at the kubuntu-members one maybe [04:59] hola jjesse_ [04:59] no [04:59] hola Jucato [04:59] ah oki Riddell === jjesse_ is now known as jjesse [04:59] holla [04:59] Riddell: someone was advertising you in #kubuntu earlier. you were giving a talk on packaging? :) [05:00] marseillai_: you can't use feisty-backports with PPA, which is quite hard [05:00] yes i've just see that [05:00] Jucato: yes, I've been talking all morning, my throat is very soar [05:00] ouch... yeah that's nasty.... [05:01] mhb: hrmm, you know what...I think I need to do a quick fix to the ff frontpage. I will check it when I get home, make the necessary update, and then send the .html file up to the translators mailing list to get translated if it hasn't been done already [05:01] I totally forgot about the ff front page [05:03] nixternal: s/feisty/gutsy/ ? [05:04] exactly [05:05] that is a quick fix really, and doesn't mess with pot files...the html gets manually translated anyways, so we will be fine with that [05:05] won't even require a new package at this time, which is good [05:06] ideally that could be done at compile time [05:07] ooh, spanish politicians [05:10] hehe [05:10] bbiab...lab time [05:31] hVe fun in lab === manchicken [n=manckn@12-226-72-69.client.mchsi.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-051-038.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:59] nixternal: do you have comments on Foundations of Qt book? I need to write a review === Jucato just suddenly remembers he hasn't gone beyond chapter 1 of his Qt 4 Book :( [06:03] Jucato: which one is that? [06:03] the Trolltech one [06:03] C++ GUI Programming with Qt 4 [06:04] (the relatively older Qt 4 book, which I just bought last month :P) === mendred [n=mendred@59.93.52.48] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IppatsuManXYZ [n=Ippatsu@2001:5c0:8fff:fffe:0:0:0:6b47] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt [n=jack@123.115.244.152] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:34] Ooh, I might snag that book. [06:34] Riddell: Were you present when mhb and I were talking about adept the other day? === Jucato was about to sleep.. now has to wait for the reply :) [06:36] manchicken: don't think so [06:37] Riddell: We were waxing philosophical about how adept seems to be having trouble keeping up with our needs, and how it might be a neat idea to start keeping our eyes open for something that might work better while still working Adept as best we can. [06:38] I think the big thing we both agreed on is that we would like to see something like update-manager for Kubuntu. [06:39] sure, if a kde 4 port of adept doesn't appear soonish that'll be a necessity anyway [06:40] but it needs pykde 4 with embedded konsole first [06:40] (pykde 4 is in svn now if anyone wants to try it out) [06:41] Well I'm not sure if we really should do too much waiting. [06:41] Adept is so complicated for folks to maintain that it's simply not being maintained like it really needs to be. [06:42] it's blocked on pykde is all [06:42] Every time I need to do something in it it's like 4 hours to figure out where I need to make the change, and then a loop of 5 minutes to make my change, 5 minutes to build and then another hour to determine why it crashed. That goes on for 3 or 4 tries, and then I put out a patch. [06:43] Not to mention that it took me several days to figure out how it worked the first time around. [06:43] We also need some documentation for libapt, libept, and the other libs involved. [06:44] I suspect python-apt isn't much better documented [06:44] Because libapt is a freakin' maze of confusion with no sign of error handling. [06:44] I don't think it is either. [06:45] mvo is the living breathing documentation, and not much else is known outside his head or the folks who directly work on it. [06:45] Source code is great, but it's no substitute for well-done documentation. [06:45] Qt docs and KDE docs are incredible, and it saves me so much time to be able to go there rather than swim in header files. [06:46] nixternal: http://dot.kde.org/1189517663/ comments welcome (not published yet) [06:47] totally [06:48] Riddell: So what's the story behind kynaptic? [06:49] it's crap and we stopped using if after hoary? [06:49] heh [06:49] Nice. === Jucato thought kynaptic became adept [06:49] they're unrelated [06:49] whatever happened to Smart PM btw? [06:49] nobody seems too interested in changing away from apt (or rpm for other distros) [06:50] heh :) [06:50] I used to use smart with SuSE. I didn't much care for it. [06:50] ah kapture -> adept iirc! === Jucato researches [06:51] that's the one [06:51] hi Riddell a question..why must kubuntu have kdefied versions of the tools that ubuntu uses? Can't it merely reuse the same ones? [06:51] mendred: because we're a KDE distro [06:52] :) [06:52] for the most part the tools do share backends, just different GUI parts [06:52] and we're trying not to depend too much on gnome/gtk libs right? [06:52] yes [06:52] skim and amarok let us down there [06:52] hehe === manchicken likes amarok. [06:53] gtkpod is unchallenged I guess :) === manchicken wants amarok to freakin' support Jamendo.com already. [06:53] libgpod yes [06:53] Riddell: Oh, does amarok use libgpod? [06:53] yes [06:53] Didn't know. [06:53] Is that GTK or just glib? [06:53] which uses gdk for something and that's part of our gtk package === manchicken doesn't use iPods. [06:53] Ah. [06:53] Gotcha. [06:54] oh libgpod hehe too much gtk in my head lol === am2g5_1 [n=armin@dslb-084-058-035-090.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:56] Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main dpkg 1.14.5ubuntu13 [06:56] 403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.6 80] [06:56] Neato [06:57] deliberate [06:57] Oh? [06:57] Riddell: yes. -devel [06:57] that version of dpkg caused a segfault [06:57] Naughty. [06:57] Ooh [06:57] Oh, BTW, I've talked with System76, they haven't even put Gutsy on any of their machines for official testing yet. [06:57] That kinda... scares me. [06:58] mm, companies like that should be part of the QA process [06:58] My CD drive doesn't work... [06:58] erk [06:58] Riddell: My thoughts exactly. [06:58] I've even gone to great lengths to tell them that I'd be happy to do some testing for them. [06:59] Zero interest. [06:59] My suspicion is that they're just completely short-staffed, and not yet making enough money to allow them to afford more folks to help with testing. === Jucato waves good night... [07:01] and good morning to Hobbsee [07:01] hi Jucato :P [07:01] hehehe didn't sleep again? [07:01] i'm going to sleep soon [07:01] and wake up even sooner? :) [07:02] ooh it's raining! gonna have a nice cold comfy sleep. :) [07:02] hmm.. good question === Lure [n=lure@89-212-18-142.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mluser-work [n=mluser-w@208.178.12.226] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:31] manchicken: wrt jamendo support for amarok - it is being worked on/pretty much ready in 2.0 if you didn't know this already === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger__ is now known as apachelogger === apachelogger_ [n=me@N952P012.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ is now known as marseillai === apachelogger_ is now known as apachelogger === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === n8k99 [n=nathan@dsl254-078-190.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@dhcp-129-64-176-33.village.brandeis.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel === sebas [i=sebas@belphegor.deadlysins.nl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Dinofly [n=dinofly@mar92-13-88-165-255-149.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === \sh is now known as \sh_away === \sh_away is now known as \sh [07:52] nixternal: thanks! [07:55] Nightrose: Yeah, it's just not there yet. I'm impatient :) [07:56] ;-) === Kuhrscher [n=jannick@91.64.3.170] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:57] Nightrose: Is the jamendo support specifically Jamendo, or is there some sort of new mechanism for integrating with online music services? [07:58] Hopefully it'd be nice and generic so that we could also integrate places like artistserver.com, too. [07:58] nikolaj is working on a framework so that it will be easy to add more stuff like that [07:58] he has a focus on magnatune though since they hired him [07:58] Okay, but the jamendo stuff is its own thing? [07:58] http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/8707/kdmshotsj9.png [07:59] beautiful, right? [07:59] mhb: Ooh, very tigert. [07:59] no it is written on top of the framework [07:59] Nightrose: Yay! [07:59] ;-) [07:59] I have a feeling that as the music industry gets more and more hostile and crappy, we'll see more and more sites like that. [08:00] jep [08:00] and hopefully one day they will get it (TM) [08:00] Now all they need is a more standardized interface. Is it like a SOAP interface, or do you know? [08:01] manchicken: I've fallen in love with it ... because it has a natural touch to it (elephant skin) and it's blue [08:01] sorry no idea about the exact details but you can ask nikolaj if you want -> nhnfreespirit [08:01] righto [08:01] also, I think the glass in kdm is better with such a dark bg [08:02] mhb: I would prefer leaves or rocks or something to an animal skin. I think the animal skin thing might offend some folks. [08:02] We live in an age where you get doused with red paint for wearing fur coats. [08:02] manchicken: yeah, but this animal is not dead, you know [08:04] no animals were harmed during the editing of this picture [08:04] Yes, I know. === mhb shuts up [08:05] heh [08:05] I'm not knocking it, I just don't want to offend someone on that level, ya know? [08:06] Riddell: i've test dolphin with tab and if there is still some features missing it's pretty cool! there is two button to remove and you don't see the diffrence with a "normal" dolphin until you use tab. i've build it on my computer and it work but i've not been able to insert it in kde4base existing package (don't know why but the patch don't apply cdbs don't see him) so are you interest by this patch ? [08:06] marseillai: Isn't Dolphin nice? [08:07] without tab? les than with! [08:07] marseillai: I don't have time to do anything with it now, if it works and is ready to upload and doesn't need maintenance I can upload it [08:07] Riddell: I would still oppose uploading it [08:07] it's not ready at all but i'll continue to work on it === n8k99 likes dolphin [08:08] mhb: can i send it to you? you test it and make your point of view? [08:08] doing so would displease KDE folks, and they're pretty tense with us already. Well, technicallly speaking, they don't have many friends :o) [08:08] mhb: Why would they be upset? === ScottK knows little of this. [08:09] marseillai: I'm not really against it when it comes to the technical level. I actually am kind of inclined to have tabs in Dolphin. [08:10] ScottK: there were several flamewars about that. Basically, some KDE folks think Dolphin should be simple, which means no tabs. [08:10] ScottK: Konqueror should be for those who need tabs, that's the official explanation. [08:10] mhb: I don't want to piss the KDE folks off, but I think we should make changes that we think are necessary. They don't have to include things if they don't want to, but we're maintaining Kubuntu, not KDE. [08:10] mhb: the problem is : the dev don't want it, and if no one take the risk to offer it to user or to test it he will never has his chance. We could at least make another package name dolphin-tab or else ? [08:10] Sounds like someone needs to switch to Gnome if you ask me. [08:11] heh [08:11] ScottK: I don't really take sides at this. I think making KDE folks angry with Kubuntu might do more harm than having tabs as default. [08:11] Agreed. [08:11] There's a balance here. [08:11] marseillai: if you want, I can do a PPA of Dolphin-tabs tomorrow morning. [08:12] mhb: i'm trying since two days! :D [08:13] in gutsy the patch don't apply and i don't know why (cdbs don't see him) and ppa don't want to build it for feisty a build-dep is missing [08:14] marseillai: send me the patch and I will try. [08:14] tomorrow [08:18] marseillai: stalled. Perhaps you can pastebin it? [08:20] mhb: http://pastebin.fr/232 [08:22] thanks [08:22] marseillai: it is qt3 dolphin, right? [08:22] no [08:22] marseillai: so the KDE4 one? [08:22] a kde4 dolphin mhb [08:23]