[12:39] <dappermuis> thomas__, lol i wasn't trying to be rude, i was just making a point :D
[12:39] <JimmyDee> dapp, he gets to work with httpd.conf soon
[12:39] <jokijo> crazy = it changed to x  640 x 480
[12:39] <dappermuis> ScorpKing :)
[12:40] <dappermuis> how goes?
[12:40] <ScorpKing> great!
[12:40] <jfisher> This is Lega.
[12:40] <thomas__> dappermuis: well don't discourage man, there are a lot of people that are just starting out somehow u know
[12:40] <kkathman> looking for apache on Kmenu??  you mean its not there??
[12:40] <jfisher> Scorp: That seems to do the trick.
[12:40] <jfisher> :D
[12:40] <dappermuis> JimmyDee, hehe - that should be fun!
[12:40] <kkathman> oh no!
[12:41] <dappermuis> thomas__, yes I understand that, but i believe that before one goes messing around with setting up web servers etc, they should at least know how daemons like those are handled
[12:41] <JimmyDee> I should note that what I am about to say is NOT recommended by Ubuntu, or Debian
[12:41] <dappermuis> lol kkathman
[12:41] <jokijo> help?
[12:41] <JimmyDee> one word, webmin
[12:41] <dappermuis> hmmm...
[12:41] <ScorpKing> jfisher: i whish i knew a way around that, but for now i just restart the connection to get dns to reset.
[12:41] <thomas__> dappermuis: i have an apache server on windows :S
[12:41] <jfisher> How do I check to make sure that my wireless isn't up?
[12:42] <dappermuis> thomas__, hehe i see - well the linux one is so much cooler to setup!!
[12:42] <JimmyDee> pull the antenna off
[12:42] <kkathman> rofl
[12:42] <dappermuis> hha
[12:42] <ScorpKing> jfisher: ifconfig at1
[12:42] <thomas__> dappermuis: i hope so i hate windows apache a lot of hassle I wonder how is this different thoug
[12:42] <ScorpKing> jfisher: if it shows no ip it's down.
[12:42] <kkathman> show it a picture of pee wee herman - nothing can get up over that
[12:42] <JimmyDee> oh then you'll love httpd.conf
[12:42] <thomas__> yea i love it
[12:43] <dappermuis> hmmm, thomas__, well everything is configured in your httpd.conf file - if you get your head around that then you're sorted
[12:43] <thomas__> :S hate it
[12:43] <kkathman> whoa crimsun - heya  :)
[12:43] <ScorpKing> thomas__: apache is a lot better under linux. :D
[12:43] <thomas__> dappermuis: how do you think i configured apache on windows :S
[12:43] <dappermuis> thomas__, lol - nafc
[12:43] <ScorpKing> cmd
[12:43] <thomas__> dappermuis: through the http file
[12:43] <JimmyDee> just get it straight that a daemon while closely spelled is not a demon
[12:43] <dappermuis> i havent used windows in about 5 years :D
[12:43] <jfisher> ScorpKing: I want to be 100% sure it is down: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37745/ <-- Is that down?
[12:44] <kkathman> JimmyDee:  well at times they both have similar attributes :)
[12:44] <JimmyDee> 100% sure, remove and stomp upon the device
[12:44] <JimmyDee> twice
[12:44] <thomas__> daemon is a demon
[12:44] <jfisher> ... I want to be 100% sure without destroying the device. <<;;
[12:44] <ScorpKing> jfisher: it's down. no IP
[12:44] <JimmyDee> hmm
[12:44] <jfisher> Awesome.
[12:45] <thomas__> jfisher I CONNECTED !
[12:45] <dappermuis> most people struggle to get their wireless devices up
[12:45] <thomas__> just kiddin lol
[12:45] <JimmyDee> I'm 38 I struggle to get it up too
[12:45] <dappermuis> bwahaha
[12:45] <ScorpKing> lmao! shame
[12:45] <jfisher> The only thing I struggle with my wireless is getting it into roaming mode (still have not been able to accomplish it) without my computer going insane.
[12:46] <JimmyDee> once again define insane
[12:46] <JimmyDee> its in the same category as wonky
[12:46] <thomas__> ScorpKing: why is apache better on linux? you still have the config file in windows
[12:46] <jfisher> JimmyDee: That is another problem for another day. I'm tuckered out.
[12:46] <JimmyDee> because theres NO windows
[12:46] <brad__> I have a question. I am using a laptop. I want to disable the touchpad because I use an external mouse. The keyboard and mouse settings don't seem to have anything helpful... any help is appriciated.
[12:47] <JimmyDee> methinks thats somewhere in the synaptics thingie
[12:47] <ScorpKing> thomas__: i don't use windows. my servers with apache has been setup once and they still run.
[12:47] <inaety> is there a browser that is like epiphany but written in Qt?
[12:47] <dappermuis> btw, whatever happened to the mozilla-qt project?
[12:47] <thomas__> ScorpKing: what kind of authentication do you use?
[12:47] <thomas__> ScorpKing: if any
[12:47] <Carnage`> Does anyone know why the shell, that is used when removing the "splash" bootoption is so crappy, that it totally screws up line breaks in the boot up process?
[12:48] <ScorpKing> thomas__: none
[12:48] <thomas__> ScorpKing: cause I used pure auth
[12:48] <jfisher> Hey... I just typed ifconfig to check everything out, and what the hell is this> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37746/
[12:48] <thomas__> ScorpKing: and i bet thats not secure
[12:48] <JimmyDee> life is not secure
[12:48] <dappermuis> thomas__, it depends what you're securing
[12:49] <ScorpKing> JimmyDee: insane - afflicted with or characteristic of mental derangement. lol
[12:49] <thomas__> hey do you guys know what historical event happened today?
[12:49] <JimmyDee> there are different levels of security, like will your girl be out with another guy tonight? or Welcome to First Federal Savings and Loan...
[12:49] <JimmyDee> JimmyDee was BORN thomas
[12:49] <dappermuis> thomas__, no - but i bet you're gonna tell us :D
[12:49] <thomas__> OMG I Can't believe u guys dont know
[12:50] <jfisher> ScorpKing/JimmyDee/AnyoneElse: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37746/ <-- What is that?
[12:50] <ScorpKing> thomas__: i hope it's not the date windows was released.
[12:50] <thomas__> oh yea thats true JimmyDeehehe happybday.............LINUX"S FIRST RELEASE
[12:50] <thomas__> hehe
[12:50] <dappermuis> oooohhhh
[12:51] <brad__> Nobody? Disable a mouse?
[12:51] <ScorpKing> thomas__: what year? 1991?
[12:51] <JimmyDee_> not that button
[12:51] <thomas__> ScorpKing: shoot not sure
[12:51] <dappermuis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_17#Events
[12:51] <dappermuis> nice one thomas__
[12:51] <thomas__> dappermuis: :S
[12:52] <ScorpKing> jfisher: that is the ip that's given to the device if no dhcp if available. it should still not work.
[12:52] <JimmyDee_> thats an internally applied ip addy
[12:52] <BluesKaj> linux birthday ...happy happy ...wonder what Linus is doing to celebrate ? :)
[12:53] <jfisher> ScorpKing: Thanks. ^^
[12:53] <JimmyDee_> my birthday coincides with linux...eerie
[12:53] <thomas__> ye
[12:53] <thomas__> JimmyDee_: didnt even know!?
[12:53] <ScorpKing> jfisher: np
[12:53] <thomas__> JimmyDee_: hehe cool eh
[12:54] <dappermuis> urgh...i've still got university assignments to do :/
[12:54] <kirk> any idea why my screen size changed after a reboot? and doesnt give the option to change it back to where it was..
[12:54] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, I have a laptop with kubuntu installed but I also want to see the graphical screen of a remote server.. Could anybody point me in the right direction on how to do this?
[12:54] <jfisher> ScorpKing: Um... how do I get my wireless back up, now? sudo ifconfig ra1 up doesn't seem to be working. <_<
[12:54] <BluesKaj> happy birthday JimmyDee_ :) I won't ask how old
[12:54] <thomas__> BluesKaj: i know how old he is :S
[12:54] <JimmyDee_> I'm 2 2 old
[12:54] <ScorpKing> thomas__: i wasn't sure what year but i remember reading something like that. it is 1991 btw.
[12:54] <dappermuis> sven_oostenbrink: read up on vnc :)
[12:54] <brad__> sven_oostenbrink: krdc supports connections to both vnc and rdp servers.
[12:55] <ScorpKing> jfisher: do ifdown first
[12:55] <thomas__> JimmyDee_: changing ur story?
[12:55] <JimmyDee_> no I'm 2 old
[12:55] <thomas__> o
[12:55] <brad__> kirk: Did you change anything? Like the video driver for example?
[12:56] <kirk> havent changed anything
[12:56] <JimmyDee_> sounds like sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg for you kirk
[12:56] <jfisher> ScorpKing: That doesn't do it, either: sudo ifdown ra1 (then) sudo ifconfig ra1 up :No IP address. It appears ra1 is still not up.
[12:56] <sven_oostenbrink> dappermuis, Bedankt, thanks a lot!
[12:56] <thomas__> how do I check to see if my ssh server is up?
[12:56] <brad__> ssh to 127.0.01?
[12:56] <brad__> 127.0.0.1
[12:57] <JimmyDee_> ssh localhost
[12:57] <sven_oostenbrink> brad_, thanks!
[12:57] <JimmyDee_> or nmap -v -A localhost
[12:57] <brad__> kirk: Do what Jimmy said,  select the appropriate video driver and you can select the resolutions you want supported.
[12:57] <JimmyDee_> if you got nmap installed
[12:57] <thomas__> not installed by default?
[12:57] <thomas__> i had it on windows
[12:57] <thomas__> tried to port scan and hack everyone hehe
[12:58] <JimmyDee_> nmap is not factory in windows either
[12:58] <ScorpKing> jfisher: sudo ifdown at1 then sudo ifup at1. make sure the router is on. other than that i donno.
[12:58] <dappermuis> hey ScorpKing, you know Jimmy Wales from wikipedia was in cape town this weekend
[12:58] <kirk> ok thanks, ill try that, brb
[12:58] <ScorpKing> dappermuis: nope! didn't know. lol
[12:59] <dappermuis> oh, and iCommons is setting up a free culture house in cape town!!
[12:59] <JimmyDee_> 9-3 odds says kirk is logged out shortly
[12:59] <dappermuis> its gonna be the first of its kind afaik
[12:59] <thomas__> its sudo ssh stop right?
[12:59] <ScorpKing> was anyone at the kde-edu irc meeting this weekend?
[12:59] <dappermuis> sudo /etc/init.d/sshd stop thomas__
[12:59] <thomas__> no in console
[01:00] <dappermuis> yes
[01:00] <JimmyDee_> thomas have you tried crochet or maybe knitting?
[01:00] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:00] <thomas__> dappermuis: i was able to stop it earlier without full path
[01:00] <jfisher> ScorpKing: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37747/ That doesn't look right... Any idea? Sorry to bug ya so much, you seem to be the most knowledgable on the subject.
[01:01] <ScorpKing> not really. checking...
[01:01] <JimmyDee_> you certainly dint get it with ssh stop it would have to be sshd stop
[01:02] <ScorpKing> jfisher: it's not getting dhcp from the router. check your signal and make sure dnsmasq or whatever gives hdcp is running on the router.
[01:02] <BluesKaj> jfisher, I saw that very message last night when I was trying out the Netbsd live cd , it fails to see the ethernet card , hence no dhcp
[01:03] <JimmyDee_> looks like you accomplished to break your network
[01:03] <jfisher> Awesome.
[01:03] <jfisher> Just what I was attempting to do!
[01:03] <BluesKaj> it prolly has to be setup manually
[01:04] <kirk> jimmy, what was that command again for the screen size u just told me?
[01:04] <kirk> i hit test screen and it froze up
[01:05] <JimmyDee_> sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[01:05] <kirk> gracias
[01:06] <JimmyDee_> di nada
[01:06] <brad__> So... I figured it out, should have figured it out sooner. New question, do I need any of the wacom drivers in xorg.conf at all? Like, what is the eraser divice?
[01:06] <brad__> And the cursor device?
[01:07] <thomas__> dappermuis: its not working
[01:07] <thomas__> dappermuis: sudo /etc/init.d/sshd stop
[01:08] <thomas__> dappermuis: ok nm
[01:08] <dappermuis> :)
[01:08] <ScorpKing> thomas__: first time using linux?
[01:09] <thomas__> ScorpKing: i guess i would say so
[01:09] <thomas__> ScorpKing: maybe i'll try knitting :S
[01:09] <ScorpKing> lol
[01:10] <JimmyDee_> thomas was an irishman, he used to smuggle arms, until the british caught him and cut off his lucky charms
[01:10] <thomas__> ScorpKing: thats wha JimmyDee_ suggested :S
[01:10] <thomas__> lol
[01:10] <jfisher> *sigh*
[01:10] <thomas__> but no i'm gonna slug through this
[01:10] <dappermuis> k, im going to bed
[01:10] <dappermuis> cheers all
[01:10] <ScorpKing> thomas__: if you used windows all your life linux can be confusing. i suggest lots of google.
[01:10] <jfisher> Well, now I have ethernet working, but wireless is broken. That was awesome.
[01:10] <ScorpKing> nite
[01:11] <JimmyDee_> then you succeeded in your quest
[01:11] <thomas__> ScorpKing: yyyyyyyummmmmm google sounds tasty
[01:11] <ScorpKing> jfisher: no connection to the router?
[01:11] <JimmyDee_> everything you need to know about linux is out there on google
[01:12] <jfisher> ScorpKing: Or something. I have no idea.
[01:12] <NickPresta> JimmyDee_, assuming you know what to look for :)
[01:12] <thomas__> NickPresta: WELL SAID nick
[01:12] <ScorpKing> lol. true
[01:12] <thomas__> NickPresta: exactly
[01:13] <NickPresta> I always like it when someone suggests the man pages to newbies so they can "learn". How are they suppose to read man pages for things they've never heard of and don't know exist? ;)
[01:13] <JimmyDee_> the man pages are written in geek
[01:13] <NickPresta> JimmyDee_, I find them quite informative, but that's another story for OT
[01:14] <JimmyDee_> they are quite informative, if you speak geek
[01:14] <JimmyDee_> I'm a translator
[01:14] <JimmyDee_> geek to english and back
[01:14] <thomas__> JimmyDee_: cool
[01:15] <thomas__> JimmyDee_: geek can be   sometimes hard to undertstand but takes me a while
[01:15] <ScorpKing> jfisher: i'm not sure what your setup with the routers are but it looks like dhcp isn't running on it. it's a pain to get it working sometimes and i have to go to bed now. maybe someone else can help.
[01:15] <jfisher> Oh hell... I have no idea what I just did, but now wireless is up.
[01:15] <jfisher> XD
[01:15] <jfisher> Thanks very much for all your help ScorpKing. ^^
[01:16] <ScorpKing> np. nite everyone.
[01:16] <JimmyDee_> reboot fixes everything jfisher
[01:16] <JimmyDee_> oh no thats windowxs
[01:16] <jfisher> Format fixes everything JimmyDee_!
[01:16] <jfisher> Oh wait... that's windows too.
[01:16] <JimmyDee_> parted fixes everything
[01:16] <jfisher> Parted destroys lives.
[01:16] <JimmyDee_> or at least careers
[01:17] <JimmyDee_> the terminal is your freyund
[01:17] <jfisher> Perfect, I have my computer now doing exactly what I wanted it to- If wireless crashes, it'll switch to ethernet.
[01:17] <JimmyDee_> time to format and do it all again
[01:18] <JimmyDee_> I was 2 steps away from formatting my production server yesterday
[01:19] <judgen> any way of using gnome desklets in kicker?
[01:19] <emilsedgh> anyone knows how could i enable certification manager of kmail?
[01:20] <JimmyDee_> sudo apt-get install kleopatra/
[01:20] <JimmyDee_> its a thought
[01:21] <emilsedgh> thanks JimmyDee_, I tried kgpg, that didnt work
[01:23] <JimmyDee_> my birthday just got alot brighter, the lovely and talented Donna on stage #1 just called
[01:34] <kirk> Hey JImmy
[01:35] <cloakable> Real men don't use vim, they use cat > file << "EOF"
[01:36] <blueyed> Hi. I've just experienced a very strange and frustrating issue with KDE/kdm(?). Suddenly kdm/X seems to believe that the super key is pressed all the time.. keyboard input stopped working altogether and the mouse behaves as if the super/win key is pressed all the time. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/140555
[01:36] <blueyed>  I have this in another running kdm session and therefor could debug this, if you have some idea(s)..
[01:41] <Tonren> How do I get to a Windows XP Shared Folder in Kubuntu?
[01:42] <NickPresta> Tonren, mount it
[01:43] <NickPresta> !mount | Tonren
[01:43] <ubotu> Tonren: Partitioning programs: !GParted or QTParted (also "man mkfs" for formatting) - Mounting partitions in Kubuntu, go to System Settings -> Advanced Tab -> Disks & Filesystem. See also !fstab and !DiskMounter
[01:43] <Tonren> Hmm, I'll try that.
[01:43] <brad__> I think he means a folder shared on an xp box, the answer would be samba.
[01:43] <Tonren> Next... When I hit Ctrl + L to refetch all feeds in Akregator, I can see the icons dim and brighten as it checks them, but it doesn't update them.  There are new articles that Akregator doesn't add.  What's going on?
[01:43] <Tonren> THIS one ain't on Google.
[01:43] <BluesKaj> Tonren, check in system menu/storage media to see if your XP partiton is mounted
[01:44] <Tonren> BluesKaj: It's not a partition--it's on the LAN.
[01:44] <brad__> Yes, you need to install samba.
[01:44] <Tonren> samba and smbfs are both installed, but going to Remote Places-->Samba Shares gives me an error "There are no samba shares".
[01:44] <brad__> Does it come with kubuntu? I don't remember.
[01:44] <Tonren> Rather, "UNable to find any workgroups in your local network."
[01:45] <BluesKaj> it has to be installed , brad__
[01:45] <tekstacy> 'lo all
[01:45] <brad__> Yeah, you can use add a network drive, then hit microsoft windows network drive.
[01:45] <tekstacy> Hey is there a way to run DirectX?
[01:45] <hydrogen> no
[01:46] <brad__> Not really, but wine has direct x wrappers.
[01:46] <brad__> No?
[01:46] <tekstacy> Is there a way to fix a program from sucking in OpenGL mode?
[01:46] <brad__> It depends what the source of the suckage is.
[01:46] <tekstacy> Google Earth is giving me hell
[01:46] <brad__> If it's just that the program has crap graphics... no.
[01:47] <brad__> Ah, haven't tried it yet.
[01:47] <BluesKaj> Tonren, open konq and type smb:/  in the addressbar
[01:48] <Tonren> Bizarre... I did exactly that before, and it didn't work. Now it works.
[01:48] <brad__> BluesKaj: He essentially already did that by going to "Samba Shares"
[01:48] <brad__> So... can I access things in remote:/ from the shell?
[01:49] <cloakable> :D
[01:50] <cloakable> tekstacy: Bill Gates or Steve Ballimer, please.
[01:50] <tekstacy> No, someone who does driver support, they have it coming.....
[01:50] <cloakable> haha
[01:51] <cloakable> Just blow up Redomnd :P
[01:51] <cloakable> *Redmond
[01:51] <brad__> The stuff in remote:/ seems to be symbolic links... so where is the folder those links are in?
[01:52] <tekstacy> wow, virtual box with kubuntu kicks ass. I have the panel at the top and a windows task bar at the bottom of my screen
[01:53] <petitout> hi was wondering how can a permission to rename file be denied if you<re using sudo then command line?
[01:56] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, I am using compiz-fusion, great stuff, but when using 4 desktops with shift switcher, I only shift through the windows of the current desktop.. How can I make it shift through all windows of all desktops??
[01:58] <petitout> hah got my answer i was using a pipe and therfore had to reuse the command sudo after the pipe
[01:58] <petitout> didn<t know that oh well
[02:02] <blueyed> petitout: you might want to checkout "tee".
[02:07] <igorgue> Hi people... I'm a Ubuntu Gutsy user, that want to see what's new in KDE4... how I install it?
[02:07] <hydrogen> !gutsy
[02:07] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[02:07] <igorgue> should I install only kubuntu-desktop?
[02:08] <Jucato> igorgue: take note that this is still beta2, and not quite complete in the end-user facing areas
[02:08] <Jucato> (for one there is no working panel replacement yet, no default wallpaper, and in Kubuntu packages, no extra plasmoids)
[02:09] <igorgue> dont get me wrong... Im a GNOME fan :P, I just want to see whats new
[02:09] <igorgue> I've just seen a big improvement in Amarok... but what else?
[02:09] <igorgue> ok Jucato, I will not
[02:10] <igorgue> do you guys think that 4.0 was needed?
[02:10] <Jucato> amarok isn't released together with KDE. it has a different release schedule and isn't packaged as part of the main KDE stuff. so you'll have to perform some manual compilations to get that
[02:10] <cpk1> Alright I have a confusing problem... my spdif out seems to have randomly stopped working.  I was listening to music and then go do an errand and all of a sudden my housemates are complaining my music doesnt work, any ideas on where to start?
[02:10] <igorgue> I mean... I haven't seen any BIG change
[02:11] <Jucato> most of the big changes at this point are under-the-hood
[02:11] <Jucato> as for being needed, yes if only for one reason. Qt 4
[02:12] <igorgue> Jucato: so you still stuck by tooltech?
[02:12] <Jucato> KDE uses open source Qt. so practically yes
[02:12] <igorgue> I mean from GNOME 1.x and 2.0 was a big change
[02:13] <igorgue> and they are still planning 3.0
[02:13] <igorgue> sorry... I was a KDE user
[02:13] <igorgue> but for almost 2 years... I was still seeing the same desktop, so I get bored
[02:14] <igorgue> 3.3 3.4 3.5 are almost the same thing
[02:14] <Jucato> go to http://dot.kde.org and search for the articles entitled Road to KDE 4 and Pillars of KDE 4
[02:14] <Jucato> of course they'd be the same thing!!!
[02:14] <Jucato> well practically...
[02:14] <igorgue> yeah I know
[02:15] <igorgue> but changing the file manager... is not an improvement
[02:15] <Jucato> if you think so
[02:15] <igorgue> as a matter of facts KDE users were very happy with Konqueror
[02:15] <Jucato> if you think so
[02:16] <kirk> thanks JimmyDee, i got it working
[02:16] <Jucato> anyway this is going a bit offtopic. the instructions to get KDE 4 beta 2 is in the link in the channel topic
[02:16] <igorgue> but what are the advantage of Dolphin that you guys can point me?
[02:16] <Jucato> (besides that it's like nautilus?)
[02:17] <igorgue> ahh yeah... OF
[02:17] <igorgue> yeah why KDE wants to be like Nautilus... you dont like nautilus right?
[02:17] <Jucato> don't worry too much about KDE users. Konqueror is not going away. it's still there, installed by default, web browser by default
[02:17] <igorgue> not want to be... want to use something like Nautilus
[02:18] <Jucato> just a few clicks to switch from Dolphin to Nautilus
[02:18] <kkathman> But Konq file manager isnt anything like nautilus
[02:18] <igorgue> I think konqueror is cool
[02:18] <kkathman> its much better
[02:18] <Jucato> kkathman: was talking about dolphin
[02:18] <flaccid> krusader rox my sox
[02:18] <scriptkiddie> dolphin is easier to work around for general file management
[02:18] <kkathman> I know
[02:18] <scriptkiddie> konq is great for everything
[02:18] <Jucato> and no, I just said "like nautilus" with sarcasm
[02:18] <igorgue> scriptkiddie: like nautilus :P
[02:18] <Jucato> (just to try to end the offtopic discussion)
[02:18] <kkathman> I dont mind Konq as a web browser, if it were just tad bit faster
[02:18] <scriptkiddie> igorgue: *shrugs* ... i like power steering better than i do manual?
[02:19] <kkathman> but its the only browser that somehow correctly renders all flash 9 thingies
[02:20] <igorgue> I think that the web is getting browsers slower I remember konq was very fast and firefox too
[02:20] <igorgue> but now :(
[02:20] <flaccid> flash is a plugin its not rendered by the browser
[02:21] <Jucato> flaccid: but how the browser handles it or what it uses/calls to render it is determined by the browser I think.
[02:22] <flaccid> sures its embedded but if there is a problem is quite late in the dev process for this kind of bug
[02:22] <flaccid> igorgue: test case please
[02:22] <judgen> i have a minor problem. I cant get any sound in either GNOME or XFCE but it works flawlessly in KDE. Any ideas?
[02:23] <enzo__> FIRESIDE91: Hey. How are you? How was school?
[02:23] <enzo__> Hello Jucato
[02:23] <Jucato> hi enzo__!
[02:23] <igorgue> flaccid: I did not want to test... I wanted to criticize
[02:23] <Jucato> sheesh...
[02:24] <Jucato> and I bet you want to do the same with KDE 4
[02:27] <yetis> dncem
[02:28] <krisx> hy
[02:29] <krisx> ANYONE KNOW THE GUTSY CHANNRL
[02:30] <krisx> sorry for shouting
[02:30] <igorgue> krisx: #ubuntu+1
[02:31] <krisx> ty
[02:32] <feimao> 
[02:35] <Daisuke-Ido> !jp
[02:35] <ubotu>  #ubuntu-jp  #kubuntu-jp 
[02:35] <Daisuke-Ido> or perhaps...
[02:35] <Daisuke-Ido> !cn
[02:35] <ubotu> For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[02:36] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Are you available?
[02:36] <newbie> hi
[02:37] <newbi> sorry
[02:38] <draik> I'm working on a new laptop, but it doesn't see the wireless card. Any clues?
[02:39] <draik> Jucato: Would you know about getting Feisty to see the wireless card outside of LSPCI?
[02:40] <draik> I can see the card in LSPCI, but not in the Network Configuration
[02:42] <tekstacy> How do I control what starts on boot?
[02:43] <tekstacy> I don't want Konversation to open every time I turn this on
[02:43] <winbond> anyone know a guide how to make webpages look better in firefox?  aka  , which fonts to use
[02:44] <newbi> that because u never realy quite konversation thats why it keep showing at boot
[02:44] <Daisuke-Ido> winbond: lcd?
[02:44] <winbond> Daisuke-Ido, yup
[02:44] <Daisuke-Ido> i find turning on antialiasing works, with slight hinting :)
[02:44] <tekstacy> no, I quit, but it reopens
[02:44] <Daisuke-Ido> that's just for me though, you might like a different setting
[02:45] <winbond> Daisuke-Ido, where are those settings at?
[02:45] <FIRESIDE91> draik, sorry, I was eating, you still there?
[02:46] <draik> I'm still here
[02:46] <newbi> tekstacy: try quite it now and if it's in the panel(panel with the k-menu)quite konversation there 2 then log out and back in to see
[02:46] <Daisuke-Ido> system settings > appearance > fonts
[02:46] <FIRESIDE91> Cursed cursed intel 945 wireless cards, eh?
[02:47] <agapeamarante> Hey there. Can anyone tell me where KMail stores message "todo" status. I seem to have lost my todo flags (no messages lost). I have a filesystem backup from when they were there but don't know where the todo is stored.
[02:47] <agapeamarante> it's not in the Maildir messages, at least not that I can tell
[02:48] <draik> You know it
[02:48] <tekstacy> tried that. That's how I close it normally, from the SysTray, but it pops back up when I reboot.
[02:48] <draik> Why there's a Dell 1390 WLAN Mini-PCI Card inside a Compaq is beyond me
[02:48] <tekstacy> So does Amarok and a few more, but I use them
[02:48] <bloodlyslave> how do i change the resolution of the screen, so i can see all of the window, not just the top left part of it.
[02:48] <FIRESIDE91> Yea, no kidding
[02:49] <FIRESIDE91> I couldn't get NDISWrapper to run the thing either...
[02:49] <newbi> bloodlyslave: in apperence
[02:49] <winbond> Daisuke-Ido, ok ty, but do u know of any font replacement for firefox?
[02:49] <bloodlyslave> kk
[02:49] <newbi> bloodlyslave: sorry monitor display
[02:49] <draik> FIRESIDE91: It's not even seen in the Network Configuration
[02:49] <agapeamarante> bloodlyslave: you need to get the lower level stuff working. Once i does there should be an option under apperaance
[02:49] <newbi> :p
[02:51] <FIRESIDE91> draik: I know, ndiswrapper isn't handling the card and I disabled the bcm43xx module, so the card doesn't even have a driver that RECOGNIZES it yet, maybe the there's a new version of the firmware cutter that can work with it...
[02:51] <winbond> is there a firewall for linux with preconfigured rules??
[02:51] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Where can I find the driver?
[02:52] <agapeamarante> winbond: what do you want the firewall for? if it's just a personal machine you don't need one
[02:52] <bloodlyslave> where do i find "appearance" at?
[02:52] <agapeamarante> the ones you'll find are more for using the linux box as a firewall to protect the vulnerable, soft-bellied windows machines on the other side
[02:52] <FIRESIDE91> draik: I already have the drivers in Jr's ~
[02:52] <newbi> bloodlyslave: it's monitor display sorry
[02:52] <searayman> can somone help me with getting latets kde4 with plasma?
[02:52] <draik> FIRESIDE91: What do I need to do?
[02:53] <newbi> bloodlyslave: go in system setting>monitor display
[02:53] <bloodlyslave> kk
[02:53] <bloodlyslave> ty
[02:53] <FIRESIDE91> draik: I'm not sure, I got the drivers installed in NDISWrapper but it wont use them
[02:53] <FIRESIDE91> Does NDISWrapper take Vista drivers?
[02:53] <draik> strange
[02:53] <draik> I don't know :(
[02:53] <winbond> agapeamarante, cmon, every computer needs a firewall
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> winbond- not really
[02:54] <agapeamarante> yeah sorry
[02:54] <FIRESIDE91> Linux machines don't need firewalls :P
[02:54] <agapeamarante> only if you run buggy, vulernable services
[02:54] <agapeamarante> heh or accept X connections without auth/tunneling
[02:54] <Dragnslcr> The best firewall is to not run programs that listen on IP ports
[02:55] <draik> !virus
[02:55] <ubotu> A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[02:55] <winbond> agapeamarante, well i dont even know what services i run , so i feel safer having a firewall
[02:55] <agapeamarante> next you'll want antivrus for linux;)
[02:55] <draik> That's the best read
[02:55] <searayman> how can i get kde4 with plasma?
[02:55] <agapeamarante> fair enough
[02:55] <agapeamarante> but
[02:55] <agapeamarante> you probably don't need to worry
[02:55] <agapeamarante> unless you're making strange changes all over
[02:55] <FIRESIDE91> I only run ClamAV so Windows machines don't get viruses that may pass through my system
[02:55] <agapeamarante> stock debian/ubuntu are quite secure
[02:55] <Dragnslcr> winbond- you can use netstat to see what programs are listening on what ports
[02:55] <agapeamarante> well the viruses that exist for Linux are far nastier
[02:55] <agapeamarante> and unlikely to be caught by AV
[02:55] <draik> FIRESIDE91: I have issues with updating ClamAV and the KlamAV GUI
[02:55] <agapeamarante> but htey also don't tend to spread via email, so *shrug*
[02:56] <winbond> Dragnslcr, cool , let me check it out
[02:56] <agapeamarante> gosh darn it, I didn't want to spend tonight grepping throuhg kmail's source
[02:56] <FIRESIDE91> draik: Don't bother updating it, you'd be ruining the point of having package managers
[02:56] <draik> ok
[02:57] <FIRESIDE91> Unless you are talking about updating the signature database, then there is an issue
[02:57] <agapeamarante> does ubuntu have a volatile repo?
[02:57] <agapeamarante> for virus defs and such?
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> winbond- specifically sudo netstat -l
[02:57] <Dragnslcr> winbond- not sure offhand if there are any useful GUI frontends for netstat, but I would imagine there are
[02:57] <FIRESIDE91> agapeamarante: What?  ClamAV can be installed on Ubuntu, but you don't need it
[02:58] <agapeamarante> well it's useful if you pass mail through
[02:58] <Kein> !adeptfix > Kein
[02:58] <agapeamarante> and can be used on servers
[02:58] <agapeamarante> you don't need it to protect yourself of course
[02:58] <FIRESIDE91> Crap, I gotta finish up that mockup for my client...
[02:59] <FIRESIDE91> Away for about 30min until I can finish this up
[02:59] <scriptkiddie> i'd like to do a dist upgrade
[02:59] <agapeamarante> scriptkiddie: is something preventing you?
[03:00] <scriptkiddie> ya, what do i need to do to go from fiesty to gutsy
[03:00] <scriptkiddie> sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[03:00] <Daisuke-Ido> #ubuntu+1 can help you with that.
[03:00] <agapeamarante> oh to upgrade distros?
[03:00] <scriptkiddie> topics are overated
[03:01] <deathguppie> hello?.. anyone set up jackd sound server properly??
[03:01] <agapeamarante> that's bitten me before. Worst case is you have to reinstall though, you're not going to make yourself unbootable
[03:01] <agapeamarante> worst case is you lose X
[03:01] <ibilic> hi guys, I have a new hard disk... how do I find out its Device name? e.g. /dev/sda1
[03:01] <scriptkiddie> deathguppie: yes
[03:01] <deathguppie> jackd sounds all messed up and gives me massive xruns..
[03:01] <agapeamarante> ibilic: dmesg
[03:01] <deathguppie> scriptkiddie: any links.. ??
[03:01] <Kein> How do I deal with KMix's utter inability to select the right sound device?
[03:01] <scriptkiddie> sudo aptitude install jackd
[03:01] <draik> FIRESIDE91: I will follow the directions from yesterday's link
[03:01] <agapeamarante> you should see something like "Found new device " something
[03:02] <scriptkiddie> deathguppie: what are you trying to do?
[03:02] <agapeamarante> erm sorry was it external or internal?
[03:02] <Kein> I tried what would normally work but it didn't do anything.
[03:02] <ibilic> I did't mount it yet
[03:02] <agapeamarante> did you plug it in/turn it on?
[03:02] <deathguppie> scriptkiddie: get it working properly.. like I said I get massive xruns..
[03:02] <deathguppie> sounds like crap
[03:02] <agapeamarante> is it internal, or external, like USB or firewire?
[03:03] <ibilic> internal
[03:03] <winbond> whats the difference between apt and aptitude?
[03:03] <ibilic> I have 2 hard disks which are exactly the same
[03:03] <agapeamarante> apt is lower level utility
[03:03] <agapeamarante> and older
[03:03] <agapeamarante> you should prefer aptitude
[03:03] <deathguppie> scriptkiddie: I installed low latency kernel..
[03:03] <ibilic> and i see one of them, where my system is installed
[03:03] <ibilic> but the other, I don't
[03:03] <agapeamarante> ibilic: but not the new one?
[03:03] <agapeamarante> hmmm
[03:03] <agapeamarante> that's strange
[03:03] <ibilic> i am a newbie so it might be something really simple
[03:03] <agapeamarante> are you sure the jumpers etc are set right?
[03:04] <agapeamarante> on the physical drives
[03:04] <ibilic> just installed kubuntu 2 days ago
[03:04] <scriptkiddie> deathguppie: you don't need the low latency kernel
[03:04] <agapeamarante> does it work in windows?
[03:04] <scriptkiddie> jackdqtl is one of the programs
[03:04] <ibilic> well, in my "Disk & Filesystems" window, I see 2 hard disks
[03:04] <deathguppie> qjackctl you mean.. ya
[03:04] <ibilic> I didn't enable it in Windows
[03:04] <scriptkiddie> i've been through jackd, qsynth, rosegarden about 10 times before i got it right
[03:04] <ibilic> I didn't even know I had a second hard drive :)
[03:05] <agapeamarante> lol
[03:05] <ibilic> ( I just got a new computer at university )
[03:05] <scriptkiddie> it's really all in a matter how you start the programs, and on some programs how you tell it to use jackd
[03:05] <agapeamarante> hmmm ok open a terminal and type dmesg (very verbose)
[03:05] <m4st3r> Recommand utility like Microsoft office visio on kubuntu
[03:05] <m4st3r> plz
[03:05] <scriptkiddie> anyhow i got rosegarden to run on a standard kernel, no low latency
[03:05] <agapeamarante> you're looking through it for references to hda and sda
[03:06] <ibilic> ok, I am on it
[03:06] <agapeamarante> (do you know if the drive is ata/pata, sata, scsi, etc?)
[03:06] <agapeamarante> (ata/pata and sata will be hda something scsi will be sda something)
[03:07] <hydrogen> no
[03:07] <hydrogen> sata is sd
[03:08] <agapeamarante> oh it is
[03:08] <agapeamarante> thanks
[03:08] <L> Hey I`m installing a program but i got stuck when the install guide told me to go in consol and type "make clean SYSTEM" where SYSTEM is the appropriate make target.? anyone who can help me here? :)
[03:08] <agapeamarante> L: you'll need to be WAY more specific;)
[03:09] <draik> Along the lines of "Whiskey Tango Foxtrot"... Why can't my laptop remember the network info from the previous stated input?
[03:09] <soulrider> !vmware
[03:09] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[03:10] <soulrider> !mp3
[03:10] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[03:10] <newbi> L: try  sudo apt-get clean
[03:10] <L> agapeamarante: Ah crap:P kinda new to this... what you need? not shure what it is i should tell you since the guide is long... give me a hint for what i should look for
[03:10] <L> newbi: ok 2 sec
[03:10] <newbi> soulrider: do u want to install codes to read mp3?
[03:10] <winbond> is there a pirate edition of ubuntu?
[03:11] <newbi> o_O
[03:11] <agapeamarante> HAHAHA pirate edition?
[03:11] <agapeamarante> it's free software
[03:11] <agapeamarante> you gotta be kidding me
[03:11] <newbi> lol
[03:11] <agapeamarante> L: Well what program?
[03:11] <agapeamarante> that will tell us a lot
[03:11] <ibilic> ok, I have found some references
[03:11] <ibilic> [    0.000000]  Linux version 2.6.20-16-generic (root@terranova) (gcc version 4.1.2 (Ubuntu 4.1.2-0ubuntu4)) #2 SMP Fri Aug 31 00:55:27 UTC 2007 (Ubuntu 2.6.20-16.31-generic)
[03:11] <ibilic> [    0.000000]  BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
[03:11] <ibilic> [    0.000000]  sanitize start
[03:11] <L> John
[03:11] <Jucato> L: what are you trying to compile?
[03:12] <newbi> !flood | ibilic
[03:12] <agapeamarante> what program are you trying to make?
[03:12] <ubotu> ibilic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:12] <ibilic> sorry :(
[03:12] <Jucato> ibilic: next time, use a pastebin
[03:12] <ibilic> no no it was a mistake
[03:12] <soulrider> newbi: i just dont remember the package, i ahdnt installed mp3 support since 6.06
[03:12] <ibilic> I wanted to post just 2 lines
[03:12] <Jucato> soulrider: libxine-extracodecs
[03:12] <soulrider> oh my, hello Jucato, long time no see
[03:12] <Jucato> hi soulrider :)
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> 3 lines is a flood ?
[03:12] <soulrider> Jucato: for some reason that package didnt work
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> line 1
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> line 2
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> line 3
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> line 4
[03:12] <scriptkiddie> bleh
[03:13] <Jucato> !opme
[03:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about opme - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:13] <newbi> soulrider: libxine-extracodecs
[03:13] <draik> Ugh
[03:13] <draik> Nothing sticks
[03:13] <agapeamarante> ibilic/scriptkiddie: it's rate
[03:13] <L> agapeamarante: John the ripper (not even shure what it is just got a note from a mate that i should look it up....)
[03:13] <ibilic> this is the hard disk that is working properly:
[03:13] <ibilic> [    5.364635]  SCSI device sda: write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[03:13] <ibilic> [    5.364645]   sda: sda1 sda2 sda3 sda4 < sda5 >
[03:13] <agapeamarante> lol sure
[03:13] <Kein> lol, wut?
[03:13] <L> agapeamarante': am i missing something?
[03:13] <Jucato> soulrider: what app are you using to play mp3's?
[03:13] <newbi> !flood | ibilic
[03:13] <ubotu> ibilic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:13] <scriptkiddie> lol
[03:13] <winbond> agapeamarante, not pirated, pirate edition, means, including all codecs, java, etc, (besides mint)
[03:14] <draik> What causes Network settings to not stick. They keep defaulting to some other numbers
[03:14] <ibilic> and I think this is try hard disk that I am trying to use:
[03:14] <ibilic> [    5.364498]  SCSI device sda: write cache: enabled, read cache: enabled, doesn't support DPO or FUA
[03:14] <ibilic> [    5.364580]  SCSI device sda: 156312576 512-byte hdwr sectors (80032 MB)
[03:14] <rickey> i wuolld like to be able to talk on yahoo live chatrooms once angain
[03:14] <agapeamarante> johntheripper is a password cracking tool
[03:14] <agapeamarante> winbond: oooh, that yeah
[03:14] <rickey>  can someone tale me how
[03:14] <soulrider> Jucato: its working now, i ahd installed libxine-extracodecs but was trying to play an mp3 that was corrupt or somethign
[03:14] <Jucato> soulrider: ah I see.
[03:14] <L> agapeamarante: ah that explains it... hmm okey, well did it help?
[03:14] <agapeamarante> what you do is, you need to enable all the nonfree repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list. I actually don't use ubuntu so I'm not sure what those are called, "multiverse" I think
[03:15] <agapeamarante> L: yes. So you downloaded a tarball of osme kind
[03:15] <winbond> agapeamarante, what do u use?
[03:15] <agapeamarante> and extracted it
[03:15] <soulrider> Jucato: i joined the ubuntuforums beginners team =D
[03:15] <agapeamarante> ion3 on debian;)
[03:15] <scriptkiddie> well, i'll try gutsy upgrade
[03:15] <agapeamarante> ubuntu better for beginners tho
[03:15] <Jucato> soulrider: hehe nice :)
[03:15] <L> agapeamarante: yes...
[03:15] <soulrider> also, Jucato, did youc heck out the program for finding duplicates i made ?
[03:15] <agapeamarante> then ran ./configure?
[03:15] <Jucato> soulrider: hm.. nope...
[03:15] <agapeamarante> and it broke on make?
[03:15] <soulrider> Jucato: hold on a sec
[03:15] <winbond> agapeamarante, i wanted to try debian, never got around to it , why is better than ubuntu?
[03:15] <agapeamarante> very similar things
[03:15] <rickey> can someone help me with yahoo chatrooms
[03:15] <agapeamarante> it's just what I'm used to
[03:15] <L> agapeamarante: hm... no just followed the guide and it didn`t say anything about that part...
[03:15] <agapeamarante> it does a few things differently
[03:16] <Jucato> "better" is subjective...
[03:16] <agapeamarante> can you link me to the guide?
[03:16] <agapeamarante> keep in mind ubuntu is VERY similar to Debian
[03:16] <Kein> Until someone says OSX. ;/
[03:16] <agapeamarante> more...evangelical
[03:16] <Jucato> rickey: Kopete can't do yahoo chatrooms yet (although it can do conferences)
[03:16] <L> agapeamarante: It followed with the download....
[03:16] <Kein> rickey: Try GAIM?
[03:16] <soulrider> Jucato: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=535704
[03:16] <Kein> I think it can do it.
[03:16] <draik> Jucato: What would stop a system from remembering the network settings I provide?
[03:16] <agapeamarante> ok, where'd you download it from?
[03:16] <rickey> gain cant ether
[03:16] <L> agapeamarante: 2 sec I`ll check the site..
[03:16] <winbond> what kernel does osx use
[03:16] <agapeamarante> winbond: darwn
[03:17] <Jucato> draik: um.. not really sure... I'm a networking idiot
[03:17] <agapeamarante> *darwin
[03:17] <agapeamarante> it's based on BSD
[03:17] <agapeamarante> open I think
[03:17] <winbond> is that open source too?
[03:17] <rickey> what about pidgin
[03:17] <Jucato> soulrider: I'll check it out. thanks
[03:17] <soulrider> Jucato: no, thank you :P
[03:17] <agapeamarante> different license
[03:17] <agapeamarante> but yes
[03:17] <agapeamarante> still considered free
[03:17] <agapeamarante> by OSF
[03:17] <Jucato> OSI
[03:17] <Jucato> :)
[03:17] <L> agapeamarante:http://linux.softpedia.com
[03:17] <agapeamarante> lol oops
[03:17] <Jucato> you mixed FSF and OSI...
[03:17] <agapeamarante> haha
[03:17] <agapeamarante> oops
[03:18] <agapeamarante> the one without Richard Stallman
[03:18] <Jucato> FSI, OSF hehehe
[03:18] <Jucato> OSI :)
[03:18] <soulrider> what does the I stand for ?
[03:18] <Jucato> Initiative
[03:18] <L> agapeamarante: are you talking to me now?:P
[03:18] <newbi> lol
[03:18] <newbi> intelegent
[03:18] <newbi> :)
[03:19] <agapeamarante> sorry got distracted
[03:19] <L> agapeamarante: hehe ok:P
[03:19] <agapeamarante> ok try just make clean instead
[03:19] <agapeamarante> what commands starting with "make" have you entered so far?
[03:20] <agapeamarante> and there was a ./configure, yes?
[03:20] <rickey> without kopete and gain ,is there another way to use live chatrooms on yahoo?
[03:20] <Jucato> !compile
[03:20] <ubotu> Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[03:20] <L> agapeamarante: none
[03:20] <agapeamarante> ok
[03:20] <agapeamarante> try just make clean
[03:20] <Jucato> rickey: I'm not sure if Yahoo Messenger for Linux supports chatrooms either
[03:20] <agapeamarante> then make
[03:20] <ibilic> ok, who gives the names to the hard disks (i.e. sda1 and so on...) ?
[03:20] <agapeamarante> if the just plain make doesn't fail the hard part is over;)
[03:21] <agapeamarante> ibilic: the disks are named automatically in the order they're detected (I think, fuzzy on that)
[03:21] <L> agapeamarante: the only commands i have entered is "cd directory"
[03:21] <agapeamarante> check hte link ubotu gave
[03:21] <Jucato> ibilic: the names depend on 1) which cable they are connected or primary or slave and 2) which partition
[03:21] <agapeamarante> it looks like it should help and if it won't fix the problem I don't have time to debug it
[03:22] <Jucato> er.. master or slave I mean
[03:22] <agapeamarante> ibilic: the a/b/c/d/e/f/g/etc is the physical disk number
[03:22] <agapeamarante> those are dependent on cable/slave/etc
[03:22] <agapeamarante> the 1,2,3,4 are always in hte same order on a given disk
[03:22] <Jucato> sda <--- master hard drive of the first cable. sda1 <--- first partition of sda
[03:23] <ibilic> i think that my hd might not be enabled from the bios
[03:23] <draik> Jucato: :( Time to nuke and pave
[03:23] <agapeamarante> bye all. Sorry I couldn't be more help
[03:23] <ibilic> i hope that I don't have to open it
[03:23] <newbi> Jucato: how to i upgrade to gusty?
[03:23] <ibilic> and play with the jumpers
[03:23] <Jucato> draik: aw.. :(
[03:23] <Jucato> !upgrade
[03:23] <ubotu> See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes for upgrading from Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) to Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[03:24] <hydrogen> !gutsy
[03:24] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10) | (due October 2007) | It is development software, as such unstable, support _only_ in #ubuntu+1
[03:24] <winbond> !desktop
[03:24] <ubotu> A desktop environment is what "puts the pieces of a !GUI together". The available desktop environments in Ubuntu are !GNOME (ubuntu-desktop), !KDE (kubuntu-desktop), !Xfce (xubuntu-desktop), IceWM, !Fluxbox, WindowMaker (wmaker), FVWM  and others.
[03:25] <winbond> !kde
[03:25] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[03:25] <winbond> any guides on customizing kde?
[03:26] <winbond> or making it look half way decent
[03:26] <Jucato> !changethemes | winbond
[03:26] <ubotu> winbond: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[03:27] <winbond> Jucato, thanks
[03:29] <judgen> dangit now my system is clean again =)
[03:29] <judgen> !kde4
[03:29] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[03:30] <xp_killer> judgen: kde4 is just the desktop?
[03:32] <flaccid> pfft i tried to install a theme, it failed now i can't remove it yay.
[03:33] <judgen> xp_killer:  yes
[03:34] <judgen> flaccid: what kind of theme?
[03:34] <flaccid> a kde theme
[03:34] <Jucato> which kind of kde theme?
[03:34] <judgen> flaccid: isnt it just to remove it from kcontrol?
[03:34] <Jucato> .kth? widget style?
[03:35] <judgen> bah seems that the swedish repos dont have full kde4 yet... have to download from the US at crappy 500kB/s =(
[03:36] <judgen> almost 10 minutes =P
[03:36] <flaccid> this one http://www.kde-look.org/content/show.php/KORE+Reviving?
[03:37] <Jucato> not found?
[03:37] <flaccid> judgen: i can't remove it from kcontrol, nothing happens when you click remove
[03:37] <c1|freaky> hi all. is there any way to ... mount a remote folder using FTP TLS Auth and SSL transfers? (the server requires that)
[03:37] <flaccid> i don't think you can mount ftp
[03:38] <flaccid> you can actually
[03:38] <flaccid> c1|freaky: did you search before asking?
[03:38] <c1|freaky> i tried using network folders but that doesnt work with FTP TLS Auth
[03:38] <flaccid> c1|freaky: you can use fuse iirc http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&client=opera&rls=en&hs=SvR&q=mount+ftp+ubuntu&btnG=Search
[03:38] <c1|freaky> and i dont want to use an ftp client
[03:38] <judgen> c1|freaky: kftpgrabber
[03:39] <flaccid> judgen: can kftpgrabber mount?
[03:39] <judgen> flaccid: nah
[03:39] <c1|freaky> i dont think so ^^
[03:39] <judgen> why would you want to mount the ftp?
[03:39] <flaccid> you can use curlftpfs
[03:39] <judgen> flaccid: just remove it from the folder then
[03:39] <judgen> flaccid: the theme
[03:39] <flaccid> judgen: remove what from what folder
[03:40] <flaccid> moutning ftp would be handing for applications to access it without having to connect
[03:40] <judgen> ive been awake 50 consecutive hours in about 2,5 minuts
[03:40] <Jucato> flaccid: you mean in KControl -> Appearance -> Theme Manager?
[03:40] <flaccid> Jucato: thats where i can't remove it from
[03:40] <Jucato> ~/.kde/share/apps/kthememanger I think
[03:40] <judgen> flaccid: from the ~/.kde/share/
[03:40] <soulrider> !virtualbox
[03:40] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[03:41] <flaccid> judgen: you don't know exactly?
[03:41] <flaccid> found it thanks Jucato
[03:41] <judgen> flaccid: Jucato  said it..
[03:41] <flaccid> in my case /home/chris/.kde/share/apps/kthememanager/themes/65266-KOREX/
[03:41] <c1|freaky> flaccid: thank you :)
[03:42] <Jucato> flaccid: btw, how did it not work?
[03:42] <flaccid> the behaviour was that it added, but didn't present anything
[03:42] <flaccid> maybe because i didn't install the deps
[03:42] <Jucato> yep
[03:42] <Jucato> it requires at least Domino and Crystal Project icons
[03:43] <flaccid> i can't believe kde still manual d/l and install for a theme....
[03:43] <Jucato> because that depends on 1) what you consider a theme is 2) what you're comparing it to
[03:43] <judgen> flaccid: if its icons too, then they are located in ~/.kde/share/icons
[03:43] <Jucato> and 3) how the "silly people" (to put it nicely) in KDE-Look present/package their stuff
[03:44] <flaccid> i disagree Jucato but thats cool
[03:44] <Jucato> care to explain why you disagree? :)
[03:44] <flaccid> but 3 i agree with!
[03:45] <Jucato> #3 is the biggest problem actually
[03:45] <keegan_> hi is there any software that scans my music and updated the artist and titile from the net ?
[03:45] <Jucato> for more explanations on 1 and 2...
[03:45] <Jucato> !changethemes | flaccid
[03:45] <ubotu> flaccid: To change your themes, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuEyeCandy.  Kubuntu users should visit https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CustomizeKubuntu.
[03:45] <sebr> what's the difference between the "desktop" and "alternate" versions  in iso downloads?
[03:45] <flaccid> 1. its to do with deployment 2. don't need to compare it to anything
[03:45] <Jucato> sebr: Desktop = Live CD + Graphical installer
[03:45] <flaccid> yeah already read that. i just expected more transparency
[03:45] <sebr> Jucato: and alternate?
[03:46] <Jucato> sebr: ncurses based installer only with more options
[03:46] <sebr> yeah that'll do
[03:46] <Jucato> the GUI installer doesn't basically have much options
[03:47] <judgen> i always do net-install... have my 8mb usb stick for ubuntu installs =)
[03:47] <Jucato> flaccid: the thing is, you're not technically "theming" when you're installing a widget style. You are installing a new engine. and then you theme that engine. Some engines are more flexible (Domino, QtCurve), and others are more restrictive
[03:48] <judgen> i also use no metapackages.... i know the name of most packages i want..
[03:48] <keegan_> hi is there any software that scans my music and updated the artist and titile from the net ?
[03:48] <Jucato> flaccid: because if you are comparing how you theme in KDE with GNOME and Windows, they are really very different
[03:48] <n8k99> keegan_: musicbrainz?
[03:48] <judgen> Jucato: theming in BeOS is hard... luckily they have thought about that for HAIKU
[03:48] <Jucato> !netinstall
[03:48] <ubotu> Ubuntu can be installed in lots of ways. Please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation for documentation. Problems during install? See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommonProblemsInstall and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues
[03:49] <keegan_> n8k99:  does rhythombox doe it ?
[03:49] <keegan_> is the audioscrobber for that ?
[03:49] <n8k99> i don't know much about rhythmnbox
[03:49] <keegan_> okay musicbrainz thanks
[03:49] <judgen> keegan_: or you could install itunes or WMP
[03:49] <n8k99> no the audioscrobbler reports which songs you are playing to a social database
[03:49] <Jucato> <--- bed
[03:50] <n8k99> night Jucato
[03:50] <keegan_> itunes on ubuntu ? and i think i have to pay for that information right
[03:50] <Jucato> well it's technically 10am.. but I'm a bit sick so... thanks :)
[03:50] <judgen> im going to try to beat my own record. 70 hours should be doable again.
[03:50] <coreymon77> Jucato: but im finally on when you are!
[03:50] <coreymon77> :(
[03:50] <judgen> keegan_: nope just install newest wine and look for an itunes 6 install for windows.
[03:51] <Jucato> coreymon77: aw.. :(
[03:51] <Jucato> anyway... need to get well soon, so not pushing myself :)
[03:51] <flaccid> Jucato: im not comparing it to anything. i just thought that maybe you could browse themes and click a button to install instead of manual procedure. this is my only point, nothing really to do with your points
[03:51] <coreymon77> okay
[03:51] <n8k99> amarok also has scrobbling built in
[03:51] <judgen> yes amarok has that too.
[03:51] <xp_killer> scrobbling???
[03:52] <judgen> but amarok eats my cpu..
[03:52] <judgen> sadly
[03:52] <xp_killer> oh yeah?
[03:52] <draik> I rebooted my laptop and now it won't load Kubuntu.
[03:52] <sebr> judgen: remove the analyser
[03:52] <sebr> it's the typical cpu eater
[03:52] <keegan_> whats the package i need to get for musicbrainz
[03:52] <xp_killer> i didnt know amorock sucks that much ram
[03:52] <Jucato> flaccid: it is of course possible. but yeah in some ways theming is something I want to work on soon
[03:52] <n8k99> scrobbling == reporting music played to social database at last.fm
[03:52] <keegan_> i can see a libmusicbrainz but no package as such
[03:53] <n8k99> keegan_: musicbrainz is the package AFIK
[03:53] <flaccid> Jucato: i hope they fix it up, because people coming from windows hate the fact that theming is hard task. makes them hate it
[03:53] <keegan_> AFIK ?
[03:53] <draik> The boot screen with the scrolling blue bar goes/went blank
[03:53] <coreymon77> it is?
[03:53] <n8k99> as far as i know= sorry about that
[03:53] <Jucato> flaccid: it's not really a hard task. but #3 is the biggest reason that it is :)
[03:53] <coreymon77> i find it quite easy
[03:53] <Jucato> since you were frequently banned :)
[03:53] <judgen> sebr:  i removed amarok completley and uses good old trusty xmms =)
[03:54] <keegan_> okay thanks
[03:54] <flaccid> Jucato: they have gone this many years without packaging guidelines/requirements for themes?
[03:54] <coreymon77> flaccid: kde theming is quite easy
[03:54] <xp_killer> lol
[03:54] <Jucato> kde-look? since it's a 3rd party thing, I don't think KDE can impose anything...
[03:54] <Jucato> coreymon77: it's a bit ambiguous to say the least
[03:54] <coreymon77> Jucato: how? its right there in kontrol center
[03:55] <flaccid> coreymon77: i know. i am pointing out the problems newbies face.
[03:55] <judgen> btw is there anyone running kde and emerald?
[03:55] <Jucato> coreymon77: ever tried installing a theme for a widget style that hasn't been installed yet?
[03:55] <judgen> im just curious
[03:55] <Jucato> coreymon77: and trying to install that widget style for which no debian package exists? :)
[03:55] <n8k99> keegan_: but it appears as if amarok may also do alot of that for you
[03:55] <flaccid> kde themselves should make minimum reqs/guidelines for themes
[03:56] <catsdad> hello: having long boot time in Feisty Fawn, can anyone help?
[03:56] <Jucato> it would be easy to theme KDE if and only  if the widget style and window decoration it requires is already installed.
[03:56] <Jucato> think of it as depending on a library/program to be installed
[03:56] <nb72> question.  I'm getting the error "Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0"."  Googleing around it seems to be a problem with my ATI card and running XGL/Compiz.  Anybody know off hand how to fix it?
[03:57] <Jucato> anyway.. me goes now...
[03:57] <judgen> catsdad: turn off bootsplash so you can see where it stalls.
[03:58] <judgen> nb72: did you take the drivers from repos or their homepage?
[03:58] <flaccid> well they bloated ubuntu enough now, why stop heh
[03:58] <catsdad> judgen: it's complaining about ata2.00, limited to UDMA/33 due to 40-wire cable
[03:58] <nb72> judgen: I started with the flgrx drivers from the repo, but was having problems with compiz.  I switched to the ATI binaries.
[03:59] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Something's wrong. I rebooted and now it won't load.
[03:59] <judgen> nb72: what kernel do you use?
[03:59] <draik> I'm going to remove Kubuntu and reinstall
[03:59] <judgen> draik: do you get to console?
[04:00] <draik> judgen: Nope
[04:00] <FIRESIDE91> I have a feeling your wireless card isn't supported
[04:00] <draik> I get as far as the splash screen
[04:00] <draik> Ugh
[04:00] <FIRESIDE91> Odd...btw, you might need to get a PCMIA card if we can't get that one working
[04:00] <draik> I can't even load Knoppix to remove everything
[04:00] <judgen> bootsplash is the devil.. you wont know whats going on behind the curtains....
[04:00] <nb72> judgen: I'd have to look in the grub file to be sure, but I think it's the latest for Feisty.  I'm running emerald btw. (saw your earlier question)
[04:01] <judgen> nb72: why not XGL/Kwin?
[04:01] <draik> It looked like Knoppix was loading, but then it froze during "Starting udev hot-plug hardware detection...
[04:01] <judgen> i have found Kwin to much better suited for kompositing than emerald... but what do i know
[04:01] <nb72> judgen: don't know.  Haven't seen Kwin.
[04:02] <judgen> nb72: kwin is the standard WM in KDE
[04:02] <winbond> !freetype
[04:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about freetype - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:02] <nb72> judgen: I'm not even sure if I'm using anything special with emerald other than I like the window borders better than the default with compiz
[04:02] <judgen> ok
[04:03] <draik> What do you think might be causing this?
[04:03] <FIRESIDE91> No clue, power it down wrong?
[04:04] <draik> Doubt it
[04:04] <draik> Standard K Menu > Log Out > Restart
[04:04] <judgen> I think that emereld stuff was to nasty to get pretty. I stay with my Plastik-Polyester setup for a long time i guess. Its just the perfect look and feel for me.
[04:04] <FIRESIDE91> judgen: I got my emerald looking nice
[04:04] <judgen> draik: did you do an update before you rebooted that didnt have time to finish?
[04:05] <catsdad> judgen: it look like it may be a floppy drive problem
[04:05] <FIRESIDE91> At least I consider it
[04:05] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: got a screencap?
[04:05] <FIRESIDE91> Sure, hold on a sec
[04:05] <draik> judgen: Couldn't. No internet connection
[04:05] <draik> Video is acting funny now
[04:05] <draik> UGH
[04:05] <FIRESIDE91> http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l165/netkid91/MyDesktop.jpg
[04:06] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Nice desktop
[04:06] <FIRESIDE91> I thought so, I just hate KDE...
[04:06] <draik> I use KDE
[04:07] <FIRESIDE91> Crap...wrong channel to post that too
[04:07] <draik> Takes me a while to get used to the GNOME
[04:07] <draik> Yeah it is
[04:07] <draik> How can I nuke the HDD and start fresh?
[04:07] <nb72> FIRESIDE91: Hmm.  If I didn't know better I'd say that was a mac.
[04:07] <draik> Live CDs don't seem to work
[04:07] <draik> Not Kubuntu, not Knoppix...
[04:07] <draik> ?
[04:07] <FIRESIDE91> Wait...nm
[04:07] <n8k99> FIRESIDE91: ktotally kwrong khannel
[04:08] <FIRESIDE91> nb72: lol, I like OS X, I just can't afford the hardware right now
[04:08] <nb72> he he
[04:08] <FIRESIDE91> I just hope apple doesn't screw over leopard....the new dock kills their HIG, and the transparent menu reminds me of vista...
[04:09] <FIRESIDE91> Plus the new theme is too dark....apple should hire me for a UI design guy :P
[04:09] <Tm_T> ...and thats slipping to offtopic ;)
[04:09] <nb72> lol OSFIRESIDE91
[04:09] <Tm_T> #kubuntu-offtopic for that :)
[04:10] <draik> FINALLY got into Knoppix
[04:10] <draik> failsafe!
[04:10] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: damn chatzilla crashed on me
[04:10] <judgen> http://judgen.googlepages.com/skrmdump1.jpg
[04:10] <judgen> thats my desktop
[04:11] <XsteelWolf> FIRESIDE
[04:11] <XsteelWolf> where did you go yesterday
[04:11] <nb72> anyway.  Anybody seen the Xlib:  extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":1.0". problem before?  If not I think I'll just have to go the route of reinstalling the driver.  It probably wouldn't bother me, but the display settings and Google Earth won't run.
[04:11] <FIRESIDE91> Sleep
[04:11] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: your desktop looked a bit macosx clonish.
[04:11] <judgen> nb72: i had it before
[04:11] <FIRESIDE91> What, I can't like OS X?
[04:12] <BluesKaj> nb72, ATI graphics ?
[04:12] <judgen> have you disabled composite nb72
[04:12] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: sure you can
[04:12] <XsteelWolf> anyone using an intel 4965agn card?
[04:12] <FIRESIDE91> I don't think anyone here is, because they don't work
[04:13] <FIRESIDE91> Well...maybe they do now
[04:13] <judgen> nb72: could you post your xorg.conf to a pastebin?
[04:13] <judgen> !pastebin
[04:13] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:13] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: what did you think of my desktop then?
[04:13] <Tm_T> judgen: like to talk about that in #kubuntu-offtopic ok?
[04:13] <FIRESIDE91> I like it
[04:14] <judgen> Tm_T: its not off topic, we were discussing the pros and cons of using either emerald or kwin together with compiz-fusion
[04:14] <nb72> here's my xorg.conf  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37754/
[04:15] <Tm_T> judgen: no, you are comparing screenshots :)
[04:15] <FIRESIDE91> Except I'm using beryl, not compis judgen :P
[04:15] <Tm_T> judgen: and comparing isnt support
[04:15] <draik> Knoppix sees the laptop drive, but it won't format it. Also, I don't have a mouse
[04:15] <FIRESIDE91> KUBUNTU, NOT KNOPPIX
[04:16] <FIRESIDE91> OR are you using Knoppix?
[04:16] <XsteelWolf> anyone using an intel 4965agn card?
[04:16] <FIRESIDE91> Why do you ask XsteelWolf
[04:16] <judgen> XsteelWolf:  nope sorry. What kinda card is it?
[04:16] <XsteelWolf> i ask this yesterday too remember?
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> wireless card
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> you even show me your desktop pic :P
[04:17] <judgen> nb72: that config looked good
[04:17] <draik> I'm using Knoppix
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> asked you to wait for me back,but you went off
[04:17] <FIRESIDE91> Need drivers for it Xsteel?
[04:17] <draik> Kubuntu wouldn't load
[04:17] <judgen> nb72: when you created the driver package, did you follow the tutorial?
[04:17] <FIRESIDE91> That's why I can't help your draik
[04:17] <flaccid> i didn't know this was a knoppix chan hmm
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> gutsy k got the drivers pre-installed
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> but sometimes it detect the network
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> sometimes it doesn't
[04:17] <draik> flaccid: relax, it was the wrong channel
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> and i can't connect to it even its detected
[04:17] <XsteelWolf> always stuck at 28%
[04:18] <paonia> Anybody able to fix problems with Skype on ATI SB bus - skype not hearing microphone
[04:18] <FIRESIDE91> Still, Draik, happened during the Kubuntu install
[04:18] <winbond> xdpyinfo displays content of which file, xorg.conf or something else?
[04:18] <draik> Yup
[04:18] <Ahmuck> does kubuntu have swag?
[04:18] <draik> HDD cannot be touched in normal LiveCD installs
[04:19] <flaccid> draik: relax
[04:19] <draik> err... LiveCD boots
[04:19] <nb72> judgen: Looking back over that I see two "Device" sections.  One driver "ati" one driver "fglrx".  Would that be a problem, or maybe indicate I messed somthing up?
[04:19] <Tm_T> winbond: IIRC it shows what X uses, no matter what the sources are
[04:19] <FIRESIDE91> draik: try using the alternate install CD
[04:19] <draik> What's the diff?
[04:19] <judgen> nb72: hahaha i didnt notice that... you have both drivers loaded at startup =P
[04:19] <draik> What do I gain/lack from the LiveCD?
[04:20] <winbond> Tm_T, whats iirc?
[04:20] <judgen> nb72: just remove the part line 133-137
[04:20] <Tm_T> draik: no live session, just installer with ncurses etc
[04:20] <Tm_T> winbond: If I Recall Correctly
[04:20] <FIRESIDE91> Yup
[04:20] <winbond> Tm_T, oh, alright , thanks
[04:20] <judgen> btw did anyone remember if ati droppped support on the x200 integrated?
[04:21] <FIRESIDE91> The Alternate cd is 95% guarantedd to work draik
[04:21] <nb72> judgen: I'll give that a try.  Thanks.
[04:21] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: guaranteed by who?
[04:21] <judgen> nb72: after you have removed the lines. Do a reboot.
[04:22] <freeman> 
[04:22] <nb72> judgen: Will do.  Thanks again
[04:22] <judgen> ill be here if it dont work for you.
[04:22] <FIRESIDE91> Tm_T: The fact that it works as long as you don't have a super-abnormal hardware setup, it never fails me
[04:23] <draik> Where can I get the Alternate CD? DistroWatch.com only has the LiveCD
[04:23] <FIRESIDE91> Kubuntu.com ....
[04:23] <me7531> i have a number of external USB drives that i created fstab entries for.  when the drives are attached, kde does not automount them.  if the fstab entries are deleted, then it does but not at the mount ponts i want
[04:23] <BluesKaj> nb72, if judgen's suggestion doesn't work here's a tutorial that works for my ATI  X200G card , providing 3D and DRI and yes google earth works too : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:23] <draik> Got a torrent... nm.
[04:23] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: then dont say "guaranteed" when noone is guaranting it?
[04:23] <FIRESIDE91> lol
[04:24] <FIRESIDE91> Tm_T: Fine.....how about "I'm 95% sure it will work"
[04:24] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: much better
[04:25] <judgen> im almost falling inte heavey sleep.
[04:25] <draik> Uh-oh
[04:25] <draik> Bad memory
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> Don't fall asleep at the heml judgen
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> *helm
[04:25] <draik> Memtest
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> O.o
[04:25] <FIRESIDE91> That's an issue
[04:25] <judgen> RSS is the most dangerous thing in the world to me.... what if i miss something =(
[04:26] <FIRESIDE91> Then your RSS reader saves it and you read it later?
[04:26] <judgen> i bought myself three new screens for my computer today btw.'
[04:26] <FIRESIDE91> Jesus......who needs THAT much screen real-estate?
[04:26] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: too many rss feeds. If i dont read atleast an hour every 5 hours or so i dont stand a chance
[04:26] <BluesKaj> must be a gamer
[04:26] <draik> FIRESIDE91: I'm going to get 9; 3x3
[04:27] <judgen> BluesKaj: i play solitaire sometimes. And an occational game of quake1
[04:27] <FIRESIDE91> O.o, my god, even the photoshop guys don't use more than 3, and you are getting 9?!
[04:27] <judgen> im going to use the screens for drawing cad.
[04:28] <judgen> 3x22"
[04:28] <FIRESIDE91> But 9?!
[04:28] <judgen> yeah i know nine is just silly
[04:28] <Tm_T> oh boy
[04:28] <Tm_T> !offtopic
[04:28] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:29] <judgen> Tm_T: seems noone has any support related questions right now =P)
[04:29] <Tm_T> still
[04:30] <FIRESIDE91> #ubuntu gets more support calls then us....well, I'm switching back to GNOME anyways I guess....I remember how much I hate KDE now
[04:30] <FIRESIDE91> Now if only I could remember how to export my private GPG key...
[04:30] <judgen> FIRESIDE91: KDE whoops gnome back to the stoneage. Gnome is so dumbed down that i get all sad inside
[04:30] <Tm_T> judgen: stop right there
[04:30] <judgen> ok
[04:31] <Tm_T> no flamewars thank you
[04:31] <judgen> np
[04:31] <FIRESIDE91> How do I export my private GPG key BTW?
[04:31] <FIRESIDE91> gpg -a --export-keys "Stefan Nuxoll" only exports my public key, how do I export my private key?
[04:31] <Tm_T> you dont export your private key
[04:32] <FIRESIDE91> I need to export my private key so I can re-install Ubuntu...some compiled software is goofing up my system...and it's time for a clean install anyways
[04:33] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: why you need to export it? couldnt you just backup ~/.gpg  ?
[04:33] <FIRESIDE91> O.o, would that save my key?
[04:33] <trpr> FIRESIDE91: save your keychain files. they probably reside in ~/.gnupg
[04:34] <Tm_T> yup
[04:34] <FIRESIDE91> ok, I see a .gnupg folder....what ring are private keys stored in?
[04:34] <nb72> judgen: OK.  That was interesting.  I commented out the ati device... dropped to console login.  I commented out the fglrx device... dropped to console login.
[04:34] <FIRESIDE91> secring.gpg?
[04:35] <draik> FIRESIDE91: Thank you so much for your help. I think the faulty RAM is the culprit
[04:35] <nb72> At this point I afraid to even know how my display is configured.
[04:35] <draik> How many tests does memtest run?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> nb72, did you see my post above ?
[04:35] <Kein> Alright, here goes...  Whenever I try the "amixer" command, it returns "Mixer default load error: Invalid argument"
[04:35] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: why cant you just take whole folder?
[04:35] <nb72> BluesKaj: no.  I missed it
[04:35] <FIRESIDE91> draik: A lot
[04:35] <BluesKaj> nb72, if judgen's suggestion doesn't work here's a tutorial that works for my ATI  X200G card , providing 3D and DRI and yes google earth works too : http://www.howforge.com/how-to-setup-fglrx-for-ubuntu-feisty
[04:35] <draik> Yup
[04:35] <FIRESIDE91> Tm_T: Yes, just making sure it has the right file'
[04:36] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: it should, if not, I wonder how you could have it working
[04:36] <trpr> FIRESIDE91: yup. what i do is keep those files on a thumbdrive w/ gpg configured to look for them there. then i pop the drive in when i want to use gpg. extra security for the paranoid ;)
[04:36] <FIRESIDE91> lol trpr
[04:38] <FIRESIDE91> Woohoo, got my .gnupg folder copied to my backup/shared partition
[04:39] <rickey> ok now i have finished downloading pidgin with is the latest gain to my desk top , now what do i do with it
[04:39] <flaccid> use it?
[04:39] <FIRESIDE91> ./configure && make && make install ??
[04:39] <rickey> but how?
[04:39] <rickey>  i am new
[04:39] <nb72> Thanks all.  I had everything working great, including Google Earth, until I started messing with compiz.  I must have messed up my display config while trying to get compiz to work.  At this point I think I'll just wait till gusty comes out.  I need to get rid of the Windows dual boot anyway.
[04:39] <Tm_T> !pidgin | rickey
[04:39] <ubotu> rickey: pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info.
[04:39] <FIRESIDE91> I'd help ya rickey, but I gotta go and dump my system :p
[04:40] <Tm_T> hum
[04:40] <Tm_T> no, where...
[04:40] <rickey> so you are saying i cant use it
[04:40] <Tm_T> rickey: no, wait
[04:40] <FIRESIDE91> No, I'm not rickey
[04:40] <judgen> Feature suggestion for KDE4 Why not introduce the much loved concept from our main competitor. the BSOD! Now then we could do everything they can!
[04:40] <rickey> for yahoo
[04:41] <FIRESIDE91> Yes, you can use it for yahoo rickey
[04:41] <hydrogen> ktheres already a BSOD kernel module
[04:41] <judgen> nb72: you have a very odd device id in the xorg.conf. Make sure its the correct one
[04:41] <Tm_T> rickey: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[04:41] <rickey> ok thanks
[04:41] <FIRESIDE91> Thank you Tm, now then everyone, I'm off to rejoin the GNOME army
[04:42] <Tm_T> FIRESIDE91: have fun
[04:42] <rickey> that will work for kubuntu also?
[04:42] <FIRESIDE91> Yes rickey
[04:42] <draik> I thank you all for your time
[04:42] <Tm_T> rickey: sure
[04:42] <FIRESIDE91> back in a bit all
[04:42] <hydrogen> Tm_T--
[04:42] <rickey> thanks tim
[04:42] <Tm_T> who's tim?
[04:42] <draik> FIRESIDE91: I thank you for your time and effort put into this piece of... I mean, faulty laptop.
[04:43] <hydrogen> oO
[04:43] <SeanTilley> Hey all
[04:43] <BluesKaj> well... sacktime again ...nite all
[04:43] <hydrogen> that'll teaccch me.
[04:43] <SeanTilley> I had a quick question.
[04:43] <Tm_T> BluesKaj: sleep well
[04:43] <BluesKaj> thx Tm_T
[04:43] <BluesKaj> :)
[04:43] <SeanTilley> How do I get Compiz Fusion to start automatically in Kubuntu, with emerald?
[04:43] <nb72> judgen: Thanks for the help.  I think I'm just going to live with how it is and without google earth till gusty comes out.  It seems to run fine otherwise.  I've actually been running it like this for over a month.
[04:44] <jcs7778> I have a problem with my shell, I cannot execute anything that isn't in the /bin directory.  the command ./ doesn't work it gives me an error saying permission denied, I have checked the permissions on the executable file they have right permission. I have also tryed several different binaries in different directories and ive also tried sudo none of them work.
[04:44] <Tm_T> !autostart | SeanTilley
[04:44] <ubotu> SeanTilley: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[04:44] <hydrogen> jcs7778: sounds like a number of your permissions are messed up
[04:45] <hydrogen> on directories
[04:48] <jcs7778> hydrogen: I havn't had this problem on any of my other systems, and I really havn't done much hacking on the system As far as i remember ive never been able to execute on this system. The same files with the same permissions execute fine if i re-boot into a debian installation that i have on the system.
[04:50] <rrbiz> sweet, already 6 suspend tests on my laptop, and it comes back fine other than my secure wifi not
[04:59] <ibilic> I have a non-initialized hard disk, I think it is called /dev/sdb
[04:59] <ibilic> how do I format it?
[04:59] <ibilic> I seem to have problems
[05:00] <ibilic> I just want 1 large partition
[05:00] <ibilic> and that's it
[05:01] <ibilic> anyone here?
[05:02] <junkeR> would anyone recommend freespire?
[05:02] <flaccid> this is kubuntu support channel
[05:03] <enzo_> Ahhhh... ~ sweet ~
[05:04] <ibilic> !sudo
[05:04] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[05:04] <ibilic> what's sudo for GUI applications?
[05:04] <Jucato> kdesu
[05:06] <enzo_> Nah, Jucato is only sick in THE HEAD
[05:06] <Jucato> both actually
[05:06] <n8k99> oooH! now i get it
[05:06] <flaccid> haha
[05:06] <enzo_> Jucato: You know I kid
[05:07] <Kein> Okay.  I've solved a bunch of the preliminary stuff for it(alsamixer is now working and I have a headphone option) but my sound simply isn't coming out. =(
[05:09] <lagatin> hello
[05:10] <lagatin> anyone there
[05:10] <gridl0ck> .
[05:10] <lagatin> does anyone kows shell scripting
[05:10] <lagatin> ?
[05:11] <lagatin> does anyone knows how i can enter a code to a .sh file
[05:12] <lagatin> hello
[05:12] <me7531> i have a number of external USB drives that i created fstab entries for.  when the drives are attached, kde does not automount them.  if the fstab entries are deleted, then it does but not at the mount points i want
[05:14] <zoffix_> Hi, for some reason Konqueror doesn't want to display any pages. Shows me "could not connect" even though I can retreive webpages with telnet no problem. Have anyone had this before? Knows a solution?
[05:16] <flaccid> zoffix_: yes konqueror has had that error/problem in the past. you could search launchpad for an existing bug if it exists
[05:17] <zoffix_> Ah, ok, then I'd just want to get Firefox instead, not a fan of Konqueror :)
[05:17] <zoffix_> Thanks
[05:17] <flaccid> sweet
[05:17] <debian> evening all
[05:18] <stimulus> anybody know how to setup the rndis driver on ubuntu 7.04?
[05:19] <stimulus> kubuntu**
[05:19] <zoffix_> flaccid: yup, FF works just fine ;)
[05:19] <zoffix_> Thanks :)
[05:19] <flaccid> haha
[05:20] <stimulus> does anybody know what the rndis driver is?
[05:22] <Biovore> ndis?
[05:22] <Biovore> !ndis
[05:22] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[05:31] <ibilic> what is a "proc" partition?
[05:31] <purpleposeidon> "Dear Kword, What is it about 'Always use this template' that you don't understand? Sincerely, your irritated user, /me"
[05:33] <flaccid> its not a partition ibilic its more like a virtual fs
[05:33] <flaccid> ibilic: google is a great search engine. http://linux.die.net/man/5/proc
[05:35] <ibilic> what I really want to know is why, when I initialized my hard drive, it turned it into a proc partition
[05:36] <ibilic> I never told it to create a proc partition
[05:36] <ibilic> I just wanted to create an extra ext3 partition
[05:36] <ibilic> I used gksudo
[05:37] <ibilic> and now, when I go to the disk and filesystem window, I just see this proc partition
[05:40] <flaccid> ffs people don't listen do they
[05:41] <flaccid> or even read. im off i think
[05:43] <ivan2864> hola
[05:44] <ivanbili> when I boot my system, it says: grep: /proc/cmdline No such file or directory
[05:44] <ivanbili> it doesn't load the GUI
[05:45] <Biovore> hmm.. sounds like something messed up bad..
[05:45] <ivanbili> well, this is what I did: I just wanted to initialize a new hard disk
[05:45] <ubunturos> umm, you need to add up your root partition inside that file, AFAIR
[05:45] <ivanbili> and it put the proc partition on that new hard drive
[05:46] <ivanbili> i remember it being 1024kB or something
[05:46] <ivanbili> and then it dissapeared
[05:46] <Biovore> I think /proc/cmdline should be the kernel command line..
[05:46] <ivanbili> and was on the new hard disk I guess
[05:46] <Biovore> should be accessable if /proc gets mounted
[05:46] <ivanbili> but then I coudlnt' even access the disk manager
[05:46] <ivanbili> restarted... this command
[05:48] <ubunturos> I can see the following line in /proc/cmdline "root=/dev/hda4 ro quiet splash"
[05:48] <ivanbili> right, that WAS my proc
[05:48] <ivanbili> only sda4
[05:48] <ivanbili> this is just great... :(((((((
[05:49] <ivan2864> bye.:D
[05:49] <ubunturos> ivanbili: Isn't it possible for you to view the file and gain root access and edit it?
[05:49] <ivanbili> 3 days that I am using Kubuntu (and Linux in general) and already I/it messed up the system twice
[05:49] <ivanbili> well, how can I view it if I can't even do ls
[05:49] <|TroubleMaker|> part of the learning curve ivanbili
[05:49] <ubunturos> ivanbili: LIVE CD? of Kubuntu
[05:50] <ivanbili> aha yes, I have that
[05:50] <ivanbili> :)
[05:50] <josue> hello
[05:50] <ivanbili> brb
[05:50] <josue> aguien de mexico
[05:50] <josue> from mexico
[05:50] <ubunturos> !mexico
[05:50] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mexico - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:50] <josue> m,
[05:50] <josue> ok
[05:51] <ubunturos> josue: don't worry, I was trying to find out if there was a #ubuntu-mexico ;)
[05:51] <ubunturos> josue: anyway, Hi!
[05:52] <josue> somebody of mexico
[05:52] <Biovore> !es
[05:52] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:52] <josue> aa ok
[05:54] <josue> they aguien knows so that my computer continues loading
[05:57] <ivanbili> what does memtest do from the boot menu
[05:57] <ivanbili> i am assuming test the RAM memory
[05:57] <Biovore> rgr
[05:58] <Biovore> run memtest86
[05:58] <ivanbili> I ran it and it stops at 50%
[05:58] <ivanbili> :(
[05:58] <Biovore> well thats not good
[05:58] <Biovore> dead ram
[05:58] <Biovore> ?
[05:59] <ivanbili> maybe it has something to do with the fact that I enabled hyper threading in my P4
[06:00] <ivanbili> some other collegues said that it messed up their systems
[06:00] <ivanbili> well, it ceirtanly did mine
[06:05] <zoffix_> Hi again, Adept crashed while doing Full Upgrade. Now I can't start it, it says "another version is running". If I choose "Ok" it crashes, otherwise quits. I've removed lock file in /var/lib/dpkg/lock and  /var/cache/apt/archives/lock but it still fails to launch. Any ideas on what could be the problem? Am I missing some locks to delete?
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> hmm.
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> !fixadept
[06:05] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:05] <Dr_Willis> ya got those?
[06:09] <zoffix_> hehe :) ok, I see what's going on. Some "PAM" something asked me about enabling it while adept was running, which in turn killed X
[06:09] <zoffix_> !fixadept
[06:09] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> PAM is imporntant. :)
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> not that i really know what it is.. but i know its imporntant! :0
[06:09] <zoffix_> Wtf is PAM?
[06:09] <zoffix_> heh
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> So,me sort of securty/password/authencation thinggie
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !pam
[06:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pam - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:09] <Dr_Willis> !info pam
[06:09] <ubotu> Package pam does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:09] <zoffix_> well, it dips out my X :(
[06:10] <Dr_Willis> !find pam
[06:10] <ubotu> Found: language-pack-kde-pam, language-pack-kde-pam-base, libapache2-mod-auth-pam, libpam-cracklib, libpam-doc (and 65 others)
[06:14] <zoffix_> this is getting annoying :/
[06:15] <n8k99> zoffix_:  are you upgrading and the pam package keeps stopping kdm?
[06:29] <josue> mexico
[06:29] <josue> please
[06:30] <Daisuke-Ido> make a left at albuquerque
[06:30] <Daisuke-Ido> or visit #kubuntu-es
[06:32] <josue> ubuntu
[06:32] <josue> mexico
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Tomatoe
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> Tomato
[06:32] <josue> mi pc se apago por error
[06:32] <Dr_Willis> !es
[06:32] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:34] <mattsqz> tostada burrito fajita guacamole
[06:38] <Ahmuck> a filter in add/remove programs that would allow you to filter according to number of stars or popularity rating would be nice.
[06:39] <josue> gracis brother ya lo encontre
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> Nacho Bell Grande! :)
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> I find the whole Popularity rating thing to be suspecious.. where does  the # even come from.
[06:54] <rrbiz> their sales i spose
[06:54] <winbond> !flash
[06:54] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[06:55] <Ahmuck> Dr_Willis: from "installs"
[06:55] <winbond> !gnash
[06:55] <ubotu> An open source flash replacement.  It is still beta software. For current status or for more info http://www.gnu.org/software/gnash/
[06:55] <Ahmuck> there is a package feedback rating
[06:55] <Ahmuck> so if firefox is more popular than konq, it get's downloaded more often as a web browser, than pop rating goes up
[06:57] <robin> gusty pretty stable now?
[06:57] <daedalus__> hello
[06:57] <rrbiz> feels stable enough
[06:57] <daedalus__> how can i change the version of the kernel of ubuntu?
[06:57] <winbond> only 1 crash today, not too bad i guess
[06:58] <winbond> daedalus__, why?
[06:58] <daedalus__> i want to downgrade the version of my kernel
[06:59] <daedalus__> a previous version to 2.6.13
[06:59] <winbond> run the adept manager
[07:00] <winbond> see if it is still in the repos
[07:00] <gary> hello
[07:00] <daedalus__> whats the adept manager?
[07:01] <winbond> !adept | daedalus__
[07:01] <ubotu> daedalus__: adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[07:01] <gary> can someone help me with setting up nvidia-glx correctly?
[07:01] <daedalus__> no no, im using ubuntu, not kubuntu, but i got forwarded to this channel... anyway, thanks for the link!
[07:02] <winbond> daedalus__, ubuntu has the same thing, with different name
[07:02] <winbond> whats it called... anyone?
[07:02] <zblach_> synaptic?
[07:03] <winbond> yeah that
[07:03] <daedalus__> oh synaptic
[07:03] <daedalus__> i can downgrade the kernel via synaptic?
[07:03] <gary> i've already installed nvidia-glx from repo, edited xorg.conf with "nvidia", removed "dri" module, yet when i restart X, i see from /var/log/xorg.0.log that nvidia isn't loading
[07:04] <winbond> daedalus__, i know u can upgrade using it, i muse u can downgrade too
[07:04] <winbond> daedalus__, sure
[07:05] <winbond> just do a search for linux kernel, mark the one u want installed, then reboot
[07:05] <gary> finally the error i get is (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found)
[07:06] <gary> my video card is the Apollo Bloody Monster AGP 8x (FX5200 chipset)
[07:06] <seth> gary, you need nvidia-glx-legacy
[07:06] <seth> for a card that old
[07:06] <gary> ah thx i'll try!
[07:06] <gary> :)
[07:06] <seth> -glx vanilla is for 7xxx and higher only
[07:08] <seth> nom nom
[07:09] <intelikey> i wonder why my mouse is not working.....   changed mice  but this one isn't working.
[07:10] <netfreak> sup everyone
[07:11] <intelikey> hmmmm modprobe can't locate module "psmouse"  but that can't be why....
[07:11] <intelikey> because the other one was plugged into the same ps2 port...
[07:13] <Daisuke-Ido> if you switched ps2 mice while powered on, that could be why...
[07:13] <Daisuke-Ido> but you're smarter than that
[07:15] <intelikey> i'm running the wrong kernel...  it's a k6  but the processor is k7   ;/    that's not the problem either though...
[07:16] <intelikey> Daisuke-Ido if i can ever figure out a way to hot swap the running kernel, i'll start hotpluging ps2 devices  :)
[07:17] <intelikey> heh  cat /other.kernel > /proc/kcore     lol
[07:22] <gary> hi, i just installed nvidia-glx-legacy, edited xorg.conf correctly, but now when I restart X, /var/log/xorg.0.log tells me i failed to load Nvidia Kernel Module; i have installed both nvidia-kernel-common and nvidia-kernel-source
[07:24] <winbond> can i create a s link file within dolphin?
[07:24] <gary> is it a conflict with having both nvidia kernels installed?
[07:27] <gary> nvm, think both were wrong kernels to begin with; i'll try nvidia-legacy-kernel-source
[07:32] <jfisher> Or you could install Envy, gary.
[07:36] <daedalus__> is there any tutorial for ubuntu that tells me how to downgrade the kernel without having any trouble?
[07:38] <uga> daedalus__: the problem is I don't think ubuntu repositories keep older versions, but not sure. Maybe you have the previous .debs cached locally?
[07:39] <megatog615> Anyone else running Gutsy?
[07:47] <winbond> megatog615, i am, but im pretty new
[07:48] <megatog615> winbond: Does your Kicker work?
[07:55] <winbond> megatog615, what does kicker do?
[07:58] <winbond> megatog615, i run it but i dont see it start, but its running as a service
[08:00] <winbond> megatog615, ok , now i see it, it runs fine, its my menu bar, right?
[08:07] <wayg>  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/
[08:07] -wayg:#kubuntu-  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/
[08:10] <jfisher> Hmm... does one need to defrag when using a Linux-based OS?
[08:20] <dangaio> hello.
[08:21] <dangaio> How can I prevent the system tray to go from two rows to one row? It is doing so automatically and I want to keep the 2 row grouping.
[08:24] <dsmith_> anyone here ever try pclinux?
[08:31] <dangaio> How can I prevent the system tray to go from two rows to one row? It is doing so automatically and I want to keep the 2 row grouping.
[08:31] <flaccid> dangaio: try #kde
[08:33] <zolder> hi people! has anyone installed fire-gl on ati xpress 110?
[08:33] <zolder> hi people! has anyone installed fire-gl on ati xpress 1100?
[08:36] <BadRobot> hi there
[08:37] <zolder> and silence....
[08:37] <flaccid> indeed
[08:37] <BadRobot> is there anyone from the Caribbean region in here?
[08:37] <BadRobot> because I have found this topic and found it interesting " Cuba is preparing to quit Windows and avoid Microsoft
[08:37] <BadRobot> "
[08:38] <kingi89> nice
[08:38] <BadRobot> http://www.cubaheadlines.com/2007/09/15/5806/cuba_is_preparing_to_quit_windows_and_avoid_microsoft.html
[08:38] <flaccid> !offtopic
[08:38] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:38] <BadRobot> thanks
[08:38] <zolder> hi people! has anyone installed fire-gl on ati xpress 1100?
[08:39] <zolder> 
[08:39] <zolder> shit... a lot of help...
[08:39] <flaccid> !repeat | zolder
[08:39] <ubotu> zolder: Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com  http://wiki.ubuntu.com http://www.ubuntuforums.org or http://www.kubuntuforums.net while you wait. Also see !patience
[08:40] <zolder> !patience
[08:40] <ubotu> The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[08:40] <zolder> the problem is - i've already lloked through - there's no material suitable
[08:51] <winbond> isnt fire-gl just a type of video card ati makes?
[08:52] <winbond> for workstations
[09:00] <Zoffix> Is it not possible to run compiz with emerald themes? I used to have "Beryl" in GNOME on my other box, however when I search the packages I don't get any results for ``beril'' :/
[09:01] <flaccid> Zoffix: #ubuntu-effects
[09:01] <Zoffix> Thanks
[09:01] <flaccid> hey Zoffix which version?
[09:01] <Zoffix> Of what?
[09:01] <flaccid> ubuntu
[09:01] <Zoffix> Kubuntu 7.10
[09:02] <flaccid> thats gutsy which uses compiz-fusion and is pretty much native
[09:02] <Zoffix> still buggy as hell, BTW
[09:02] <flaccid> yeah im on it atm, its getting better slowly
[09:02] <Zoffix> Yeah, and compiz-fusion doesn't want to use emerald themes :/
[09:03] <flaccid> i think i had that issue myself, can't remember why. try the gutsy chan #ubuntu+1
[09:04] <flaccid> there is some reason i think
[09:33] <adhytia> hello
[09:35] <riri> which chanel for gutsy ?
[09:39] <Zoffix> riri, #ubuntu+1
[09:39] <riri> thanks
[09:44] <intelikey> wow is me.   ctrl+alt+backspace   kills the box just like jurking the ac line out of the back of the box....     it's faster than   alt+sysRQ+b     anyone know what it's doing  ?
[09:44] <intelikey> jerking maybe
[09:44] <intelikey> or why   ^  ???
[09:45] <jussi01> intelikey: you arent holding your toungue right...
[09:47] <intelikey> also have reconfigured xorg several times but all i get is a blank screen of death.    i have sshed in from another box and sure enough xorg is not running   so it's hammering the vidio card and leaving it un-usable.     any thoughts on that ?
[09:48] <intelikey> :)
[09:49] <davy> hi
[09:49] <davy> somebody still awake?
[09:50] <intelikey> lagging really bad and the connection will die any minute     but yeah
[09:50] <davy> I c
[09:50] <davy> :-)
[09:50] <davy> does somebody have some experience with configuring wlan on ubuntu??
[09:51] <intelikey> oh yeah,  lots of people do,,,  but i'm not one of them.
[09:51] <intelikey> ;/
[09:52] <davy> hehe
[09:52] <davy> :D
[09:52] <davy> me neither :(
[09:53] <intelikey> and for some un-beknownsed reason   "[I have no name!$~] "  is now my prompt...
[09:55] <intelikey> doesn't matter i guess... i know who i am...
[09:58] <intelikey> and how did this path get set     PATH='./:~/bin:/usr/local/bin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games'
[09:59] <intelikey> it's no where in  /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc  nor ~/.*
[09:59] <intelikey> and it overrides the path set in /etc/profile
[10:00] <intelikey> maybe i hacked this box some time............ ?
[10:02] <_4strO> fi there
[10:06] <c1|freaky> is there any good software to manage an ipod using linux?
[10:07] <c1|freaky> i want to f.e. synchronize addressbook entries
[10:07] <c1|freaky> that
[10:07] <berkes> c1|freaky: yes
[10:07] <c1|freaky> that'd be cool
[10:07] <c1|freaky> berkes: what are the best ones called? (those used most often)
[10:07] <berkes> c1|freaky: on kubuntu try amarok
[10:08] <c1|freaky> it cant synchronize address book entries
[10:08] <Agent_bob> can anyone tell me where bash gets the user name for PS1 ?
[10:08] <Agent_bob> tty2 [I have no name!$~]  set | grep PS1
[10:08] <Agent_bob> PS1='\l [\u\$\w]  '
[10:08] <Agent_bob> tty2 [I have no name!$~] 
[10:08] <berkes> else google for ipod on linux.
[10:08] <c1|freaky> ok
[10:09] <c1|freaky> thx anyway ^^
[10:09] <berkes> somehow KDE does not conect to localhost when I am disconnected from the net.
[10:10] <berkes> any idea where to look? Weird thing is "lo" device is configured properly, it seems
[10:10] <berkes> ipodlinux.org
[10:11] <waylandbill> berkes: ipodlinux.org is something entirely different. That's putting Linux on an ipod, not using an ipod under linux.
[10:11] <berkes> yea, saw that too late :)
[10:11] <waylandbill> berkes: can you connect to 127.0.0.1?
[10:12] <berkes> waylandbill: I cna at this moment, because I am connected to the web.
[10:12] <berkes> but when offline, I cannot.
[10:12] <c1|freaky> berkes: ipodlinux.org is linux on ipod. i dont want to put linux on my ipod i want to use my ipod on linux, not linux on ipod.
[10:15] <berkes> c1|freaky: yea, I saw that too late :)
[10:16] <berkes> c1|freaky: there is some package called something like gnupod (not sure) wich is a library w GUIs.
[10:16] <c1|freaky> ok, thankyou ;D
[10:16] <berkes> c1|freaky: did your type 'iPod' in adept?
[10:17] <emilsedgh> libgpod i think :)
[10:18] <berkes> waylandbill: I have the output of ifconfig saved when I was disconnected here: http://pastie.caboo.se/98232
[10:18] <emilsedgh> !info libgpod
[10:18] <ubotu> Package libgpod does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[10:18] <emilsedgh> gh
[10:18] <berkes> $ apt-cache search ipod
[10:19] <emilsedgh> !info libgpod1
[10:19] <ubotu> libgpod1: a library to read and write songs and artwork to an iPod. In component main, is optional. Version 0.4.2-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 168 kB, installed size 360 kB
[10:23] <c1|freaky> berkes: i only use command line usually
[10:23] <c1|freaky> i need some complete solution with which i can manage contacts etc. on the ipod
[10:23] <c1|freaky> though i should get an pda but i dont have the money for that
[10:25] <waylandbill> c1|freaky: or a cell phone. :)
[10:25] <c1|freaky> nah u cant store addresses on it
[10:25] <c1|freaky> a cell phone with pda functionality would be bet
[10:25] <c1|freaky> best
[10:26] <waylandbill> berkes: I was wondering about 127.0.0.1 as opposed to localhost in case there was some lookup failure.
[10:27] <berkes> waylandbill: I have a gut feeling there may be something with a proxy going on.
[10:27] <berkes> eventhough I don't have any proxy set, btw
[10:29] <sirkushiiri> iuso?
[10:30] <yintelike> this tic's me off.     there doesn't seem to be any way to change the    "I have no  name!"   setting for my PS1    :|
[10:45] <zolder> hi everybody!
[10:46] <zolder> could you tell me is there comething like Restricted Device Manager in kubuntu?
[10:47] <zolder> well?
[10:47] <stdin> no, not until gutsy
[10:47] <zolder> ok thanks
[10:47] <emilsedgh> zolder: not in feisty
[10:47] <zolder> can I install it from pero's?
[10:47] <zolder> repos's?
[10:48] <Jucato> [16:47]  <emilsedgh> zolder: not in feisty
[11:34] <pacoste> hello le monde
[11:35] <kaminix|benkyou> I'm having problems with KTorrent, it's taking up 650MB ram out of my available 500MB. How can I make it more efficient / what's a lighter alternative (not rTorrent, I'm on svorak so the keyboard layout is really clumsy)
[11:35] <jbbarnes> Does anybody have a touchpad on their system? I can't seem to change the tracking speed of mine. The KDE mouse settings have no effect.
[11:35] <kaminix|benkyou> jbbarnes: I do. Works fine for me though.
[11:36] <jbbarnes> I have used qsynaptic to turn off the double-tap, but there are no sensitivity or speed settings.
[11:36] <jbbarnes> kaminix, can you alter the sensitivity or speed up response?
[11:36] <kaminix|benkyou> I think so. Let me check.
[11:36] <intelikey> heh i tried to ssh into another box on the lan and get this   You don't exist, go away!
[11:36] <jbbarnes> Thanks.
[11:37] <intelikey> why do i have no name ?????
[11:38] <intelikey> i don't get it.
[11:38] <intelikey> tty2 [I have no name!$~]  set | grep PS1
[11:38] <intelikey> PS1='\l [\u\$\w]  '
[11:38] <kaminix|benkyou> jbbarnes: You're right. Changing pointer acceleration has no effect.
[11:38] <intelikey> anyone ?
[11:39] <jbbarnes> There are some utilities (like qsynaptic or ksynaptic) that change some things, but not speed or tapping sensitivity.
[11:40] <kaminix|benkyou> Annoying. Now that I know I can't change it I want it to speed up. :p
[11:40] <jbbarnes> And mine needs a lot of tweaking to get it to work as well as under W*ndows.
[11:40] <jbbarnes> Yeah, mine is REALLY slow. Takes me several swipes to get all the way across the screen.
[11:43] <intelikey> anyone have ideas on how i might fix broken X ?
[11:44] <stdin> depends what's broken about it
[11:44] <emilsedgh> intelikey: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:45] <intelikey> stdin yeah.   i don't really know.     all i can get out of it is a blank screan of death
[11:45] <intelikey> no console access after trying to startx
[11:45] <intelikey> i can ssh into it. tho   it's not a lockup   just a black out.
[11:46] <stdin> hmm, checked in /var/log/Xorg.0.log for any errors or warnings ?
[11:46] <intelikey> yeah it can't find a device
[11:47] <intelikey> but that doesn't really help the fact that after it closes the display is blank
[11:47] <stdin> maybe a bad xorg.conf
[11:48] <thill2708> the dvd combo drive on my laptop isn't reading blank dvds, and I'm not getting any dmesg errors or anything. what could be the problem?
[11:48] <stdin> you can try moving it and see if Xorg can guess what it needs, or use Xorg -configure
[11:48] <intelikey> i'm trying to dl a new kernel "been at that for several hours now" to see if i can't get a boot without any *fb* modules loading.
[11:49] <intelikey> stdin yeah been all over xorg.conf   rm'd it rebuilt it...  no help
[11:49] <stdin> I've noticed before some fb modules can do bad things to X, so it could be that
[11:49] <intelikey> i'm really thinking fb * xorg-driver   issue
[11:50] <intelikey> but i kinda have no way to test until i get a kernel that i can load.    the k6 kernel i'm running was built on another box   copied over....
[11:52] <Pupeno> How do I re-install a package overwritting the configuration (to have the mainstream configuration back)?
[11:53] <stdin> pupeno: "sudo apt-get --purge --reinstall install <package>" should do it
[11:54] <Jucato> stdin: are you able to combine --purge with install?
[11:54] <Pupeno> stdin: didn't work :(
[11:55] <stdin> Jucato: I know that --purge works with install, because lp ppa's do it :p
[11:55] <Jucato> no wonder  I know nothing about it :)
[11:56] <stdin> pupeno: "sudo apt-get --purge remove <package>" then "sudo apt-get install <package>" ?
[11:56] <thill2708> has anyone else heard or seen of a dvd writer not being recognized as such?
[11:56] <Pupeno> stdin: that will require removing/breaking a lot of dependencies.
[11:56] <stdin> pupeno: the --purge removes all the config files in /etc but not $HOME
[11:57] <Pupeno> stdin: I know about --purge, I just don't know how to do it without uninstalling.
[11:57] <stdin> pupeno: that's why I said --reinstall first
[11:57] <Pupeno> stdin: yeah, but --reinstall didn't touch the config files, not even with --purge.
[11:59] <stdin> pupeno: try mv'ing the config files out of the way and reinstalling the package?
[11:59] <Pupeno> stdin: already tried, no luck :(
[12:00] <Jucato> what was the question again?
[12:00] <Jucato> [17:52]  <Pupeno> How do I re-install a package overwritting the configuration (to have the mainstream configuration back)? <--- by "mainstream" you mean the default system configuration?
[12:11] <mzolisi> hi guys
[12:12] <mzolisi> Now asking a stoopid question...
[12:13] <jussi01> mzolisi: there are no stoopid questions... ask :)
[12:14] <jussi01> Hmmm, how do I get amarok to play through my usb headphones...
[12:14] <jussi01> ??
[12:17] <Doctor_Nick> bravo
[12:17] <jussi01> on another note, how do i get all my sounds through my usb headphones?
[12:20] <divan> Hello all! :)
[12:20] <divan> I've got a random problem hope someone can help me with
[12:21] <divan> If I boot my "server" it boots and one interface is assigned eth2
[12:21] <divan> then I reboot and the same interface is assigned eth1 not eth2 .
[12:21] <divan> this causes problems with shorewall, how do you troubleshoot or set this?
[12:21] <divan> i think I know how in Red Hat / Centos, but /kubuntu/debian not sure??
[12:22] <divan> any ideas at all anyone ? :)
[12:26] <jussi01> divan: no, im sorry. maybe a config file in /etc somwhere?
[12:29] <divan> jussi01: Its wierd, you can't set it in /etc/network/interfaces ...
[12:29] <divan> im not sure will keep looking and trying
[12:29] <jussi01> divan: it sounds very weird.
[12:30] <divan> apparently i must look at /etc/iftab
[12:30] <divan> am going to do now...
[12:30] <jussi01> divan: good luck
[12:31] <divan> - /etc/iftab looks like the right place to set it!!
[12:31] <divan> will try this!
[12:31] <divan> good to know this :)
[12:31] <divan> thanks
[12:37] <che_> kl
[12:45] <emja> I seem to have stumbled across a rather obscure bug. I'm running kubuntu/compiz-fusion/feisty and found that some of my settings for both kde and CF keep reverting to old values. There seems to be no pattern to the cause. The setting that change are always the number of desktops in kde and the cube and caps settings in CF. anyone got any pointers?
[12:46] <Moises> hi
[12:46] <Moises> Hola
[12:46] <Moises> nas a todos
[12:47] <sebas_> hola
[12:47] <sebas_> no esta por ahi mariodebian?
[12:47] <AgarFu> if you want to speak spanish join to #kubuntu-es
[12:47] <sebas_> ok!
[12:48] <AgarFu> just type /j #kubuntu-es
[12:48] <sebas_> hola
[12:48] <jussi01> AgarFu: if you dont want to type that every time, just type: !es
[12:48] <jussi01> !es
[12:48] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:48] <AgarFu> great jussi01
[12:50] <SiNiESTrO> hello guys!
[12:50] <jussi01> hi SiNiESTrO
[12:51] <SiNiESTrO> Jonathan Ridell is hear, with us in Tenerife, Canary Islands...
[12:52] <SiNiESTrO> at University of La Laguna :)
[12:53] <jussi01> wow... go Riddell!
[12:53] <jussi01> nice "holiday"
[12:53] <jussi01> :)
[12:54] <wers> what did I miss? what did riddle do? heheh... is there a big news?
[12:54] <jussi01> [13:52]  <SiNiESTrO> Jonathan Ridell is hear, with us in Tenerife, Canary Islands...
[12:54] <jussi01> [13:52]  <SiNiESTrO> at University of La Laguna :)
[12:54] <Jucato> huh?
[12:54] <Jucato> he's on a 2 week vacation. stop ringing his nick!!! :P
[12:54] <SiNiESTrO> now is teaching us how package in kubuntu
[12:55] <wers> thats his nick? sorry!
[12:55] <SiNiESTrO> s/hear/here/g
[12:55] <Jucato> wers: no that isn't his :P
[12:56] <wers> haha.. you got me there
[12:59] <RancidZA> haai
[12:59] <NickPresta> jussi01, afternoons? It's 7am for me :)
[12:59] <Jucato> 7pm for me :)
[12:59] <jussi01> NickPresta: lol... 2 pm here...
[12:59] <Jucato> jussi01: timezones suck don't they? :)
[12:59] <jussi01> Jucato: yep
[12:59] <jussi01> ;)
[12:59] <emja> yeah, we should all live in a 300 mile wide wedge
[12:59] <RancidZA> can anyone tell me how to set up openssh-server to allow ssh connections from outside the intranet? the pc has its own ip but when trying to ssh in i get connection refused
[12:59] <SiNiESTrO> ;P
[01:00] <emja> ;-)
[01:00] <RancidZA> its 13h00 here
[01:00] <Jucato> jussi01: aside from plugging your usb headphones in? :)
[01:00] <emja> 21:00
[01:00] <jussi01> Jucato: yeah, aside from that...
[01:00] <jussi01> @now helsinki
[01:00] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Helsinki: September 18 2007, 14:00:29 - Next meeting: Kernel Team in 4 hours 59 minutes
[01:00] <Jucato> RancidZA: you need to have port 22 open I think
[01:00] <RancidZA> and by default its blocked?
[01:00] <Jucato> oh finland...
[01:00] <Jucato> RancidZA: afaik, yes
[01:00] <Jucato> or at least by your router or whatever...
[01:00] <jussi01> Jucato: yeah, but i dont live in helsinki...
[01:01] <emja> RancidZA: port 22. check hosts.allow and hosts.deny, also sshd.conf
[01:01] <Moises> exit
[01:03] <RancidZA> Jucato: its not the router afaik
[01:03] <RancidZA> well the pc is creating a pppoe connection
[01:12] <ArmedKing> Hey guys i just switched from Ubuntu to Kubuntu. Can anyone tell me where the configuration utility is located to add my home icons etc to my destktop. Tnx
[01:13] <RancidZA> what?
[01:13] <RancidZA> cant u just copy stuff to the desktop
[01:13] <RancidZA> ?
[01:13] <ArmedKing> Yes i could, But i believe theres a utility for that, same as in Ubuntu
[01:15] <emilsedgh> ArmedKing: a utility to copy icons from a place to another?
[01:16] <ArmedKing> No no, In ubuntu i had a Utility to change my Nautilus flags to add Home Trash Computer Drives and Network to my desktop.
[01:19] <emilsedgh> ArmedKing: oh
[01:20] <emilsedgh> ArmedKing: systemSettings->Desktop->Behavior->Device Icons
[01:21] <jetsaredim> can someone explain to me why I can have an active network connection on a device that networkmanager knows about, but yet have networkmanager think there's no active device?
[01:23] <jetsaredim> can someone explain to me why I can have an active network connection on a device that networkmanager knows about, but yet have networkmanager think there's no active device?
[01:26] <stoneagepimp> Can anybody help me with a DVD problem?
[01:27] <stoneagepimp> hello?
[01:28] <ArmedKing> Maby it easyer you just spam your problem in here ;-)
[01:28] <mtfuchs> hi
[01:28] <mtfuchs> can I use amd64 install cd to install on a Core 2 duo?
[01:30] <slackern> mtfuchs, Yes, it's the same
[01:31] <mtfuchs> then I got a problem: I get the error: this CD is not suitable for install. this is a gutsy tribe 5 alternate cd
[01:31] <sander_> when I want to update kubuntu feisty fawn to gutsy gibbon I cannot use the update-manager tool since that is not installed with kubuntu
[01:31] <sander_> what do you suggest?
[01:32] <jussi01> sander_: please go to #ubuntu+1 and read the topic. then think about your decision to upgrade. if you decide to, please ask in #ubuntu+1
[01:33] <slackern> mtfuchs, Im not sure about what the problem can be im afraid
[01:33] <sander_> jussi01: tnx.. I'
[01:33] <sander_> m not new to linux/unix in general
[01:33] <sander_> but I want this fresh install upgraded asap
[01:33] <mtfuchs> The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation.
[01:33] <mtfuchs> is the precise error.
[01:34] <stdin> mtfuchs: for gutsy support (including installing) #ubuntu+1
[01:35] <mtfuchs> ok.
[01:51] <ubuntu_> hi
[01:51] <SlimeyPete> hi.
[01:56] <ubunturos> !hi
[01:56] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[02:00] <stoneagepimp> hello?
[02:00] <ubunturos> !info hello
[02:00] <ubotu> hello: The classic greeting, and a good example. In component main, is optional. Version 2.2-1build1 (feisty), package size 19 kB, installed size 588 kB
[02:00] <kozo_> hi i have some problem whit my HDs kubuntu dont recognise my kubuntu partition in media plus ther are 8 folders whit usb in media :? how can i get rid of it? if i try to open my fstab in root mode it dont open gedit /etc/fstab is the right command i think
[02:00] <stoneagepimp> can i get some help on playing dvds?
[02:01] <ubunturos> !libdvdcss
[02:01] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[02:03] <mtfuchs> can I use an external hdd plugged in via usb to install ubuntu somehow?
[02:05] <kozo_> i hope my lettering is understandable xD
[02:06] <wers> i cant access my thumb drive. kubuntu says that I do not have sufficient permissions
[02:09] <LjL> mtfuchs: if it gets recognized, i don't see why not
[02:09] <prospero91> The directory where you are mounting it may not have permissions
[02:09] <mtfuchs> LjL: would I just copy all the files from the iso into the hdd or do I have to make it bootable or sth? my mainboard does support booting from external hdd.
[02:10] <LjL> mtfuchs: ah i thought you meant using it to install Ubuntu *on*... no, in that case you definitely need to somehow boot from it. you could try this
[02:10] <prospero91> Add this to fstab /dev/sda1     /mnt/whatever     auto     user,rw       0       0
[02:11] <LjL> !smartbootmanager
[02:11] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[02:12] <mtfuchs> mh, ok. to much hazle will get myself a cd and done :D
[02:14] <stdin> garfield: don't ask questions or reply starting with /me,  /me is used to represent an action not speech
[02:15] <garfield> how can i play flash video outside of firefox in a player?
[02:16] <stdin> !info swf-player | garfield
[02:16] <ubotu> garfield: swf-player: Mozilla plugin for SWF files (Macromedia Flash). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.3.6-2.1 (feisty), package size 47 kB, installed size 176 kB
[02:17] <Jucato> doesn't that play in firefox too?
[02:17] <garfield> it's allready installing for me to try it out
[02:18] <garfield> how do i get the extention for firefox to download a flash video?
[02:18] <stdin> or there's libflash-swfplayer too
[02:18] <stdin> !info libflash-swfplayer
[02:18] <ubotu> libflash-swfplayer: GPL Flash (SWF) Library - stand-alone player. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.4.13-9ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 13 kB, installed size 68 kB
[02:21] <judgen> wow i never tried konversation before. Its amazing compared to kvirc... wonder why ive never tried it before
[02:22] <LjL> judgen: amazing? i wouldn't be so sure. it's certainly quite a bit more KDE-guidelines-compliant
[02:22] <LjL> as for features and responsiveness, that's a different matter
[02:23] <garfield> stdin: how do i get the flash to play with swf?
[02:23] <judgen> LjL: well i was just talking about the layout. Its looks almost like "vision irc" for BeOS. And that gets me all tingly =)
[02:23] <stdin> read the man page I guess
[02:24] <judgen> garfield: wich flash package do you use?
[02:24] <LjL> judgen: vision irc? i don't think i know about it. but yeah konversation's interface is quite elegant, that's basically its main plus
[02:24] <garfield> i just download swf
[02:26] <judgen> LjL: otherwise i kinda prefer bitchX
[02:27] <LjL> judgen: does that vision irc run under haiku?
[02:34] <garfield> stdin: im using the download an extention for firefox to download the video but how do i save the video?
[02:34] <stdin> I don't know, never used it
[02:36] <garfield> stdin: u never try to download flash videos?
[02:36] <stdin> never needed to
[02:38] <garfield> true but these flash video dont have a player for me to go back what i miss so it's either i download them or i get them to play in a player that can control the video
[02:42] <Jakoavain> Hi : )
[02:42] <nalle> NO HEJ
[02:42] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[02:43] <nalle> oisko samanlaist suomeks
[02:44] <stdin> !fi
[02:44] <ubotu> Suomenkielinen keskustelu (K)Ubuntusta kanavilla #ubuntu-fi ja #kubuntu-fi
[02:46] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: , hehe :) Could you help me again?
[02:46] <dthacker> hello kubuntu'ers
[02:46] <Jakoavain> This time, I got some "new" old soundcard from my friend, but when I watch flashes it doesn't work.
[02:47] <judgen> howdy BluesKaj
[02:48] <judgen> Jakoavain: Flashes?
[02:48] <BluesKaj> what's happening Jakoavain?
[02:48] <BluesKaj> Hi judgen
[02:48] <Jakoavain> I mean :D Like youtube
[02:49] <BluesKaj> what souncard?
[02:49] <Jakoavain> Video works but the voice doesn't. I can still listen mp3:s from my comp.
[02:49] <Jakoavain> Well, I don't know actually. What was the command?
[02:49] <BluesKaj> ok,  maybe you need updated drivers
[02:50] <Jakoavain> Oh, :o
[02:50] <garfield> BluesKaj: what download manager can download video's by links?
[02:50] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, lspci | grep audio
[02:51] <BluesKaj> garfield, sorry  dunno, just copy the link
[02:51] <judgen> Jakoavain: What mediaplayer?
[02:52] <judgen> Jakoavain: sometimes its just lacking the alsaplugins for that perticular app or that your mediaplayer dont have all required parts to play those sound streams
[02:52] <Jakoavain> 02:07.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1370 [AudioPCI]  (rev 01)
[02:53] <garfield> BluesKaj: what im i sopose to do if i just copy the link?
[02:53] <Jakoavain> Hmm, It still shows my old one, but that's not surprise.
[02:53] <Jakoavain> Judgen, okey.. These kind of things are.. pretty new for me. With windows it was and it is like "Use 3months, it doesn't work. Then format" And again. So you just don't have to think anything, just click click click boom, format.
[02:54] <judgen> Jakoavain: do you have vlc installed?
[02:55] <judgen> Jakoavain: try installing it and see if it can play your movies. If so, its just with your current mediaplayer the fault lies
[02:56] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, judgen has a good suggestion about the plugins , make sure you have the flashplugin-nonfree, libxine-extracodecs and w32codecs installed ...they can all be installed if you have restricted manager
[02:56] <Zergiu> hello
[02:57] <Zergiu> who can tell me how to install g++ compiler and c++
[02:58] <Zergiu> :P
[02:58] <Jakoavain> Hey, that's right! I'll try it! Thx :)
[02:58] <judgen> Zergiu: sudo apt-get install build-essentials
[02:58] <Jucato> what judgen said
[02:58] <Zergiu> tried that
[02:58] <BluesKaj> cheers , genii :)
[02:58] <Jucato> and?
[02:58] <Zergiu> some error
[02:58] <judgen> Zergiu: oh it should be build-essential
[02:58] <Jucato> would be nice if we actually knew what error it was :)
[02:59] <Zergiu> ok , let me try
[02:59] <genii> BluesKaj: Save the tea for night ;)
[03:00] <BluesKaj> yup genii thx :)
[03:00] <Zergiu> couldn't found package
[03:00] <Jucato> Zergiu: build-essential
[03:01] <Zergiu> can I paste in the channel?
[03:01] <Zergiu> the info?
[03:02] <BluesKaj> !pastebin
[03:02] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[03:02] <wers> why cant I write on my flash drive?
[03:03] <Zergiu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37779/
[03:03] <Zergiu> thats what it sais
[03:04] <Jucato> Zergiu: can you run "sudo apt-get update" first then try again? this is on Feisty?
[03:05] <Zergiu> I downloaded 6.06 ubuntu version
[03:05] <Zergiu> have no idea if its feisty
[03:05] <Jucato> that'd be Dapper
[03:05] <Zergiu> Ubuntu 6.06 LTS - the Dapper Drake - released in June 2006
[03:06] <Zergiu> update done same error
[03:06] <BluesKaj> wers, is the flashdrive listed in /media ?
[03:07] <Zergiu> should I enable some boxes en the synaptic package manager?
[03:08] <wers> none
[03:08] <wers> i mean, yes
[03:08] <wers> i can accesss but i cant write on it
[03:11] <Zergiu> I think the problems was with the packages
[03:11] <Zergiu> I had enabled only security updates
[03:11] <Jucato> Zergiu: you need to have repositories with "main" enabled too
[03:12] <BluesKaj> hmm, I havent experienced that problem ... genii , wers cant write to his flash drive
[03:12] <Jucato> poor wers... need to get a new flash drive
[03:13] <wers> :((
[03:13] <Jucato> j/k wers. :P
[03:13] <Zergiu> a friend asked me , what has linux better than windows , what should I tell him?
[03:13] <wers> whylinuxisbetter.com
[03:13] <genii> Zergiu: Penguins
[03:13] <Zergiu> lol?
[03:13] <BluesKaj> better apps , no virus
[03:13] <rjune_> Hot chicks dig it
[03:14] <BluesKaj> c'mon Jucato , that's not nice :(
[03:14] <rjune_> at least that's the impression I get from the link you posted wers
[03:14] <Jucato> BluesKaj: wers knows I'm joking. we're both from ubuntu-ph :P
[03:14] <VSpike> wers, if you try your write as root or using sudo, does it work?
[03:14] <Zergiu> my version doesn't have penguins :(
[03:14] <BluesKaj> ahh ok cool Jucato , wers
[03:15] <BluesKaj> Zergiu, the penguins are hidden :)
[03:16] <Zergiu> anyway , I like the program names
[03:16] <Zergiu> pidgin , thunderbird
[03:16] <Zergiu> sounds cool
[03:16] <genii> wers: If you can write to it with admin privelege but not with regular user, you need to put mount option "user" (without wuotes) into fstab for that device.
[03:16] <genii> *wuotes=quotes
[03:16] <wers> nope.. even when running as root
[03:17] <BluesKaj> thunderbird runs in windows too, Zergiu
[03:17] <Zergiu> not that cool in windows...
[03:19] <sergio> hi all
[03:19] <sergio> I have a problem with Konqueror and Java
[03:19] <wers> ohh.. correction.. its whylinuxisbetter.net
[03:19] <wers> not .com
[03:19] <Zergiu> jucato you said that all the main repositories must be enables , where is that "main"?
[03:19] <BluesKaj> well, my thunderbird vers is broken in kubuntu and there doesn't seem to be a fix ...it doesn't launch the browser from links
[03:19] <Jucato> !repositories | Zergiu
[03:19] <ubotu> Zergiu: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[03:20] <sergio> how I can configure Java in Konqueror?
[03:21] <Jucato> configure in what way? Settings -> Configure Konqueror -> Java & Javascript ?
[03:21] <sergio> Jucato: path: java_vm?
[03:22] <Jucato> what are you trying to do?
[03:22] <genii> wers: Some useful info that you could put into pastebin for us would be: result of these commands: sudo fdisk -l ;mount; cat /etc/fstab          also right after you plug in or pull out the thing, last few lines of command: dmesg
[03:22] <Jakoavain> It doesn't install the  libxine-extracodecs, but those other 2 it installed.
[03:22] <Zergiu> thank for the help , gona let repositories reload , bb
[03:23] <sergio> Jucato: I have problems with juegon.com, a java games page. When I go to a game, the java applet is splitted, I see only a half of applet
[03:25] <sergio> Jucato: I want to use Konqueror instead Firefox
[03:25] <sergio> but I can't, with firefox the page runs well
[03:27] <wers> genii: I just posted the codes here--> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=3384599#post3384599
[03:28] <sharir>     RADEON ATI 1600X  ?
[03:33] <sharir> hello is there anybody here >
[03:33] <SlimeyPete> yep
[03:34] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: It says that the wc32codecs wasn't found, but some packet is similar with it. This can mean that the wc32 is old or deleted
[03:34] <wers> how do I prevent beagle from runnning everytime I log in?
[03:42] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, w32codecs
[03:43] <Jakoavain> Yeah,
[03:43] <Jakoavain> sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[03:44] <ben-schmark> salut
[03:45] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, you may need to edit your sources.list , try source-o-matic , it will generate anew list that you can copy and paste into your /etc/apt/source.list file. Then you'll have access to all the codecs available in the repos
[03:45] <BluesKaj> !source-o-matic | Jakoavain
[03:45] <ubotu> Jakoavain: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:51] <Doctor_Nick> How do I start a process as its own user at startup?
[03:52] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: use su in /etc/rc.local
[03:52] <contrast83> Does the w32codecs package generally give better performance (e.g., less chance of having scrambled videos) than the packages for the codecs in Main (ffmpeg, etc.)?
[03:52] <Doctor_Nick> I need to create the user first
[03:53] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: adduser username
[03:53] <Doctor_Nick> im wondering how I make one without a login console
[03:53] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: without a login console?
[03:53] <Doctor_Nick> yeah
[03:53] <Doctor_Nick> so nobody can log in as that user and mess shit up
[03:53] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: err, what *can* you do on that machine?
[03:53] <paulatreides> dans konqueror je n'ai plus la barre de recherche avec google
[03:53] <paulatreides> avez vous une soluce ?
[03:53] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: oh, of course
[03:54] <BluesKaj> contrast83, w32codecs are mainly for windows media , ffmpeg is still required for avi, divx etc
[03:54] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: just look at your /etc/passwd. there's already plenty of "fake" users that work just like that
[03:54] <paulatreides> bonjour tout d'abord
[03:54] <Doctor_Nick> LjL: this is my home machine, im hosting a domain on here though and i dont want people to hack my shit
[03:54] <LjL> Doctor_Nick: just give /bin/false as the shell
[03:54] <LjL> !fr
[03:54] <ubotu> Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[03:54] <stdin> can watch the language please Doctor_Nick
[03:54] <paulatreides> oh sorry
[03:54] <Doctor_Nick> hack my merde
[03:55] <LjL> paulatreides: right click on the toolbar, "configure toolbars", "search toolbar", and add "search bar".
[03:55] <LjL> Doctor_Nick, you were warned...
[03:56] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: So I open the sourceslist with kate? And replace the text with new one, or add it to the end?
[03:57] <contrast83> BluesKaj: Oh ok. So w32codecs should do better with WMV's than ffmpeg would?
[03:57] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, replace it completely
[03:57] <BluesKaj> yes contrast83
[03:58] <LjL> unfortunately
[03:58] <contrast83> BluesKaj: What I find weird is, with some of my vids, they'll be all scrambled when I use the Xine engine, yet when I switch Kaffeine to the MPlayer engine, they're perfectly fine...
[03:59] <contrast83> What sucks is it seems that with the latest version of Kaffeine (the one in Gutsy), you can't even use the MPlayer engine. :-\
[03:59] <martijn81> does anyone know a guide to get ktorrent3.0 svn working?
[03:59] <BluesKaj> contrast83, that's strange , i usually have the reverse
[04:00] <martijn81> i have 2.2dev working, but i want the kde4 version to work :D
[04:00] <emilsedgh> contrast83: kaffeine has no mplayer engine, does it?
[04:01] <Doctor_Nick> where does linux usually dump all the links to executables
[04:01] <emilsedgh> martijn81: so you have to install kdelibs5 kdelibs5-dev and build-essential and then you have to compile ktorrent :)
[04:01] <rvd> Hello World :) I have a problem with my Hauppage wintv pvr-usb2 TVcard, I can't get the damn thing to function i linux.. I've downloaded the driver, but I'm all new to kernel compilation, so please help me - i need to watch scrubs! hehe
[04:01] <contrast83> emilsedgh: Settings -> Engine -> Embedded MPlayer for KDE
[04:01] <emilsedgh> Doctor_Nick: PATH
[04:01] <Doctor_Nick> $PATH?
[04:02] <contrast83> emilsedgh: If that's not there, I would assume you just need to install kmplayer-base
[04:02] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: /usr/share/applications - is that what you're referring to?
[04:02] <emilsedgh> contrast83: I didnt know that Kaffeine has Mplayer Engine
[04:02] <contrast83> emilsedgh: Well, not anymore, it doesn't. :-(
[04:03] <emilsedgh> Doctor_Nick: type this in console: echo $PATH
[04:03] <contrast83> But then, maybe it's just a bug in Gutsy that's causing it to not show up.
[04:03] <Doctor_Nick> emilsedgh: yeah, i found it, thanks
[04:03] <martijn81> emilsedgh: do i have to install kde4? how do i use cmake??
[04:03] <Jakoavain> Blueskaj, How did I got the acces again? It says to check have I wrote the acces or something like that (: Open the kate with run command, right?
[04:04] <thechris> I cannot run firefox.
[04:04] <thechris> any ideas?
[04:04] <emilsedgh> martijn81: you have to install kde4 libraries, there are Beta2 packages for them, then you have to download ktorrent's sourcecode from svn
[04:04] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, alt+F2 kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list  . it will ask for your password to give write permission
[04:05] <emilsedgh> thechris: whats the error message?
[04:05] <emilsedgh> thechris: run in in konsole
[04:05] <rvd> no one has any help to a tvcard in kubuntu??
[04:05] <Jakoavain> Yeah, I forgot the k from desu :)
[04:05] <thechris> emilsedgh: no error messages.  in console ther errors are due to BadDevice 169, and looks like the standard errors
[04:06] <martijn81> emilsedgh: and then i have to run activate and run kde4 already?
[04:07] <thechris> emilsedgh: yep, the only errors are the standard ones that say "you don't have a touchsceen installed", but with numbers
[04:07] <Doctor_Nick> hmm
[04:08] <emilsedgh> martijn81: no
[04:08] <Doctor_Nick> emilsedgh: you know when you do a make install, the install script usually sets up a command
[04:08] <Doctor_Nick> how do I get rid of the command?
[04:08] <emilsedgh> thechris: when it happend? it was working in the past or its installed newly?
[04:09] <thechris> emilsedgh: i just installed nvivia and set up xorg.conf
[04:09] <emilsedgh> Doctor_Nick: make uninstall ??
[04:09] <Doctor_Nick> this script sucks and doesnt have that :/
[04:09] <Zergiu> Hello again
[04:09] <Zergiu> can .BIN files be opened in linux?
[04:10] <emilsedgh> Doctor_Nick: make uninstall is not a part of your programs, thats a part of GNU Autotools, whats the output of make uninstall ?
[04:10] <emilsedgh> Zergiu: if they are for linux, yes they can
[04:10] <SlimeyPete> Zergiu: sure. Is it a binary installer, or a disc image?
[04:10] <Zergiu> binary installer
[04:10] <Zergiu> the java installer
[04:10] <Doctor_Nick> make: *** No rule to make target `uninstall'.  Stop.
[04:10] <SlimeyPete> "sh filename.bin" (or "sudo sh filename.bin")...but...
[04:10] <SlimeyPete> !java
[04:10] <ubotu> To install a Java compiler/interpreter on Ubuntu, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Java - For the Sun Java runtime install sun-java5-jre from the !Multiverse repository. Enable the backports repository on Edgy to install sun-java6-jre. Please don't use Adept to install Java if you are on Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy) or earlier.
[04:11] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: Just for future reference, are you familiar with checkinstall?
[04:11] <SlimeyPete> ^^ better way to do it
[04:11] <Doctor_Nick> no
[04:11] <martijn81> emilsedgh: just follow this commands right? http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[04:11] <thechris> oh and apt is broke too
[04:11] <emilsedgh> Doctor_Nick: is that already installed? make installed was successful?
[04:11] <Zergiu> thanks
[04:12] <SlimeyPete> np
[04:12] <Doctor_Nick> emilsedgh: yeah
[04:12] <contrast83> emilsedgh: You know that not every makefile has a rule to uninstall, right?
[04:12] <thechris> brb
[04:12] <emilsedgh> martijn81: yes, but...the important part should be the ktorrent, install kde4 then ask here again
[04:13] <emilsedgh> contrast83: i have a little knowledge on autotools and build services :(
[04:14] <contrast83> emilsedgh: I'm sure I have even less. :-P The only reason I knew that is I've run into Doctor_Nick's problem a few times.
[04:14] <wers> damn!
[04:14] <Doctor_Nick> what does checkinstall do
[04:14] <wers> I can write on my flash drive with XP but not with kubuntu
[04:14] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: "sudo apt-get install checkinstall" and the next time you're installing from source, do everything as normal, except when you get to "make install", do "sudo checkinstall -D make install" instead. It'll install whatever as a package that you can easily remove.
[04:14] <stdin> !checkinstall
[04:14] <ubotu> checkinstall is a wrapper to "make install", useful for installing programs you compiled. It will create a .deb package, which will be listed in the APT database and can be uninstalled like other packages. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CheckInstall - Read the warnings at the top and bottom of that web page, and DO NOT interrupt CheckInstall while it's running!
[04:14] <Doctor_Nick> neat
[04:14] <thechris> how do I unlock DbDriverConfig?
[04:14] <ScorpKing> does anyone here use devilspie on kde?
[04:14] <contrast83> stdin: Thanks. :P
[04:16] <caris_mere> Is it ok to remove old linux headers when you get new ones?
[04:16] <wers> genii: i can write to my thumb drive using windows.. but still not with kubuntu
[04:18] <contrast83> caris_mere: Yeah, but you should only do so after making sure *all* your hardware works with the new ones.
[04:18] <caris_mere> contrast83: ok, thanks
[04:18] <contrast83> np
[04:18] <Zergiu> I don't understand , I can't install anything
[04:18] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: I just took the 2first options from the sourcelist, then I downloaded it. Now I replaced the source.list and saved. Still it says it's old or removed
[04:18] <Zergiu> file coudn't be found
[04:19] <Jucato> Zergiu: could you use pastebin to show the contents of your /etc/apt/sources.list file?
[04:19] <skumlesen> hi, I been trying to install ms truetype fonts, but I dont know if it was a succes. Do anyone know of a guide / link where I can look for info?
[04:19] <Zergiu> what is the command
[04:19] <Zergiu> pastebin?
[04:19] <SlimeyPete> !pastebin
[04:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[04:19] <Zergiu> ah ok
[04:20] <SlimeyPete> paste there, and it will give you a URL
[04:20] <Jucato> the one you used earlier to show the error messages
[04:20] <Zergiu> ok
[04:20] <martijn81> emilsedgh: installed!
[04:25] <Doctor_Nick> contrast83: man, i wish i knew about that program earlier
[04:25] <Doctor_Nick> it would have saved me so many headaches
[04:25] <Zergiu> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37784/
[04:25] <BluesKaj> Jakoavain, w32codecs is included in the restricted repositories , if you didn't include those repos in your new sources.list then you can't install them
[04:25] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: Yeah. It's a godsend
[04:25] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: If only it could work on binary installers.
[04:25] <contrast83> Actually, I never tried that. Maybe it does.
[04:26] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: god damn it! --> 3rd try
[04:27] <thechris> so, any other ideas why firefox doesn't run?
[04:27] <Doctor_Nick> what is EOF in linux again?
[04:27] <thechris> never had this issue before
[04:27] <Tm_T> Doctor_Nick: End Of File
[04:27] <Jucato> Ctrl+D
[04:27] <Jucato> :)
[04:27] <Doctor_Nick> Tm_T: :P
[04:27] <Jucato> EOF is End Of File *anywhere*
[04:27] <Tm_T> Doctor_Nick: now you know ;-)
[04:28] <Tm_T> Jucato: you didnt get the joke?
[04:28] <Jucato> maaaaybe :)
[04:28] <martijn> emilsedgh: where is my kpanel? :D
[04:28] <Doctor_Nick> in windows its ctrl+z
[04:28] <martijn> kicker?
[04:28] <Doctor_Nick> but that's suspend in linux!
[04:28] <martijn> it's gone!
[04:28] <Jucato> martijn: press Alt+F2, type in "kicker"
[04:28] <martijn> :) :)
[04:29] <in_d_hoy> helo
[04:29] <martijn> Jucato: still, the other plasma panel under kicker is a little higher, can't i kill this?
[04:29] <imoet> helo
[04:29] <Jucato> er... you're running KDE 4?
[04:30] <Jucato> of course it will be higher... you'd have to kill Plasma...
[04:30] <Zergiu> jucato: is there any info in the source.list?
[04:30] <arak1> Guys small problem here, new to linux. Just got win XP installed and now trying to install kubuntu as a second OS, Just can't figure out how to set up the partition settings
[04:30] <BluesKaj> !sources.list
[04:30] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[04:31] <Jucato> Zergiu: sorry I didn't notice you gave it already
[04:31] <Zergiu> oky
[04:31] <Jucato> Zergiu: weird. everything looks ok. you can't install anything from apt-get?
[04:31] <Zergiu> nope
[04:32] <Jucato> hm...
[04:32] <Jucato> my only guess would be a server/mirror problem...
[04:32] <Zergiu> tell me a simple program to try to install
[04:32] <Jucato> there seem to be a problem with the Spanish server...
[04:33] <thechris> I would like to run firefox
[04:33] <Jucato> I can't get any response from ping es.archive.ubuntu.com
[04:33] <thechris> but it doesnt
[04:33] <thechris> any ideas
[04:33] <Zergiu> can I change the server?
[04:33] <martijn> hmmm, i have kde4 installed, but konqueror is still version 3.5.6, how come?
[04:33] <Jucato> Zergiu: yes you can. you can change all those es.archive.ubuntu.com to uk.archive.ubuntu.com or to something else
[04:33] <jhutchins> !easysources | Zergiu
[04:33] <ubotu> Zergiu: source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[04:34] <Zergiu> mersi
[04:34] <Jucato> Zergiu: you can also use that to automatically generate a file for you ^^
[04:34] <BluesKaj> thechris, pls explain in more detail ...how did you install it ?
[04:34] <thechris> BluesKaj: sudo apt-get install firefox
[04:35] <Dr_willis> Complex. :)
[04:35] <thechris> BluesKaj: it does not run now that I am using the nvidia X11 module
[04:35] <rx> hi everyone. got an interesting question: how can i stop my monitor from going blank? out of the box, kde has it set to 30 mins (power saver). unfortunately, even if i turn it off its getting reenabled on next login. oh, and its not the problem because my monitor goes blank after like 10mins. i tried setting Option "DPMS" false in xorg.conf with no luck. can you help me?
[04:35] <BluesKaj> thechris, is it in the k-menu ?
[04:35] <thechris> BluesKaj: yes
[04:35] <Dr_willis> what dosent run about it?
[04:35] <thechris> it does nothing
[04:36] <thechris> no windows, no errors
[04:36] <Dr_willis> try running it from the terminal
[04:36] <thechris> konsole just gives the normal error in terminal
[04:36] <BluesKaj> no bouncing icon , thechris ?
[04:36] <thechris> BluesKaj: yes, i get the bouncing icon
[04:36] <thechris> in terminal the error is just for the lack of a touchscreen or such
[04:36] <Zergiu> so I copy paste the generated list in the source.list
[04:37] <Dr_willis> thats just a warning about the touchscreen.
[04:37] <lnx_> how i can run visual c# 2005 with wine ?
[04:37] <thechris> yes, I agree
[04:38] <Dr_willis> wine whatever.exe :)
[04:38] <SlimeyPete> lnx_: last time I checked, you couldn't. Check the appdb on winehq.org
[04:38] <BluesKaj> Zergiu, delete the text in the present sources.list and paste the new text in it's place and "save".
[04:38] <Wii_Man> does anyone have an acer aspire 5050-3785?
[04:39] <vadiml1024> i've strange problem with my X server on Feisty...  It seems to completely ignore the synaptics section in the xorg.conf file
[04:39] <Zergiu> BluesKaj not enough permisions
[04:39] <japp> one channell to spanish, please
[04:40] <Jucato> !es | japp
[04:40] <ubotu> japp: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[04:40] <japp> gracias
[04:40] <Jucato> Zergiu: Alt+F2, "kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list" to be able to edit the sources.list
[04:40] <BluesKaj> Zergiu, alt+f2 , kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list then you will have permission
[04:40] <martijn> emilsedgh: how about ktorrent? how do i get that running? same stuff with unsermake or should i use cmake?
[04:41] <Zergiu> jucato won :P
[04:41] <Jucato> heheh :)
[04:41] <Wii_Man> i have a battery not detected issue and the forum wasnt helpfull am i out of luck?
[04:41] <BluesKaj> ok ,we have enuff cooks on the job, gotta run some errands , BBL :)
[04:42] <BluesKaj> Zergiu,  is this a contest? ... we're here to help. :)
[04:43] <Zergiu> the location file could not be found
[04:43] <Jucato> what's the exact command you entered?
[04:43] <Zergiu> kdesu kate /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:44] <Doctor_Nick> contrast83: is it supposed to show up in synaptic or no?
[04:44] <martijn> boy, kde4 beta2 is crap herfe
[04:44] <martijn> -f
[04:44] <Jucato> hm... ok close that and just do this. in Konqueror, go to /etc/apt and right-click on sources.list -> Actions -> Edit as Root
[04:44] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: the package checkinstall made?
[04:44] <Doctor_Nick> yah
[04:45] <contrast83> Doctor_Nick: It should, yeah. Look under Sections -> checkinstall (at the very bottom)
[04:45] <Zergiu> ok , but , how do I execute konqueror
[04:45] <Jucato> Zergiu: huh? it's the File manager. :)
[04:45] <Doctor_Nick> contrast83: yeah, its there
[04:45] <ksivaji> alt+f2 type konqueror
[04:46] <ksivaji> Jucato :
[04:46] <Jucato> yes?
[04:46] <Zergiu> the Run thingy doesn't work even with konqueror
[04:46] <Jakoavain> BluesKaj: You think it needs boot?
[04:46] <Jakoavain> Because It doesn't seem to work.. maybe I just can't do it right.. : D
[04:47] <Jucato> Zergiu: You see the computer-like icon beside the K Menu on your panel?
[04:47] <Jucato> Zergiu: just click on that, and click on Home
[04:47] <Zergiu> Ok clicked on the file but no "edit as root" option
[04:48] <Jucato> right-click -> Actions -> Edit as Root
[04:48] <ubuntu__> Hi!
[04:48] <Zergiu> lol , no actions
[04:48] <ubuntu__> i cant use Konquerror
[04:48] <ubuntu__> via modem
[04:49] <ubuntu__> why&
[04:49] <ubuntu__> ?
[04:49] <Jucato> Zergiu: you sure you're right-clicking on sources.list ?
[04:49] <Zergiu> I'm not doing anything , this is messed up
[04:49] <Zergiu> yes
[04:49] <Jucato> (yeah it's indeed a bit messed up..)
[04:49] <Jucato> ok last method. Alt+F2, "kdesu kate"
[04:49] <Zergiu> I get open with text editor , and open with another file , copy , send to , properties
[04:49] <ksivaji> Jucato whats wrong with him
[04:49] <Jucato> the File -> Open -> /etc/apt/sources.list
[04:50] <Jucato> ksivaji: first problem is with repositories. now he's just trying to edit his sources.list
[04:50] <Jucato> neither of which is going well... :(
[04:50] <Zergiu> well , I'm doing all this to install some programs I need for university and limewire do download music
[04:51] <Dr_willis> !frostwire
[04:51] <ubotu> frostwire is a totally open source version of Limewire.  For installation help, please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FrostWire
[04:52] <Zergiu> alt f2 "kdesu kate" cannot find file location
[04:52] <Zergiu> ehm , isnt there an easier linux version?
[04:52] <Dr_willis> it dident ask for a password?
[04:53] <Jucato> what the heck?!?
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Zergiu,  it pays to learn some basics.
[04:53] <Jucato> Zergiu: um.. you are on Kubuntu right? not Ubuntu?
[04:53] <thomas__> how can I change it so my ssh server doesn't allow all users to connect? Only 1
[04:53] <Zergiu> I am on ubuntu
[04:53] <Jucato> lol!!!
[04:53] <Dr_willis> Zergiu,  thats a bit of an issue then. :)
[04:53] <Jucato> sheesh no wonder :)
[04:53] <Dr_willis> this is when ya go back to useing the terminal and 'sudo nano' :)
[04:53] <Zergiu> lol
[04:53] <ScorpKing> thomas__: have only one user on your system. :)
[04:53] <Jucato> Dr_willis: you win :)
[04:54] <thomas__> ScorpKing: lol no that won't work hehe
[04:54] <Jucato> Zergiu: there's a slight difference between Kubuntu and Ubuntu. starting with the apps. :)
[04:54] <Dr_willis> I always install ubuntudesktop and kubuntudesktop both. Im so leet. :)
[04:54] <Zergiu> well , I joined the first help channel I saw :S
[04:54] <emilsedgh> martijn: you have kde4 installed?
[04:54] <Jucato> Zergiu: Alt+F2, gksu gedit /etc/apt/souces.list
[04:54] <Jucato> Zergiu: the first help channel for Ubuntu should be #ubuntu :/
[04:55] <Jucato> most stuff work in both Ubuntu and Kubuntu. but sometimes, some commands and apps are different
[04:55] <thechris> Reboot FTW
[04:55] <Zergiu> jucato true
[04:55] <thechris> ubutnu's support of X11 FTL
[04:55] <Jucato> ??
[04:55] <Zergiu> but since these channels where with intense black
[04:55] <ScorpKing> lol
[04:56] <Zergiu> written in intense black
[04:56] <Zergiu> didn't saw #ubuntu :P
[04:56] <Jucato> written where?
[04:56] <Zergiu> help >comunity support
[04:57] <thomas__> ScorpKing: no but seriously, how?
[04:57] <Zergiu> srry for the trouble
[04:57] <Jucato> "f you are very new to Ubuntu, and haven't used IRC before, find the application 'gaim' from Applications->Internet on your Ubuntu desktop. Then login to irc.freenode.net and join the #ubuntu channel."
[04:57] <Jucato> :)
[04:57] <Jucato> nah it's ok... but it would have saved us a lot of guess work if you had mentioned that in the beginning :)
[04:58] <Jucato> and saved me a lot from banging my head on the table or scratching my head in wonder
[04:58] <Doctor_Nick> haha
[04:58] <Doctor_Nick> i guess kde doesnt like it when you kill man!
[04:58] <ScorpKing> thomas__: i don't know. i chmod 750 all home directories then other users can only get to their own and / when they log in.
[04:59] <thomas__> ScorpKing: because as I have it now if someone knows my username they can try to log in, but I want to disable those accounts except for 1
[05:00] <poison--> mornin
[05:00] <ScorpKing> thomas__: i think there is a way to only allow keys for ssh. maybe that will work. have to go.
[05:00] <Jucato> doesn't ssh ask for the password first?
[05:01] <ScorpKing> afternoon poison-- :)
[05:01] <ScorpKing> cheers guys
[05:01] <poison--> heyy scorpio
[05:01] <poison--> sup
[05:01] <contrast83> what up
[05:01] <thomas__> Jucato: what do you mean? when I try to connect it asks for username right and pass....but I don't want this account to be available to be accessed online
[05:02] <poison--> brb, reboot
[05:02] <Jucato> thomas__: it won't be accessible if you don't give out the password, right?
[05:02] <thomas__> Jucato: right but I don't even want to be able to login even if I know the password, disable it
[05:03] <Jucato> hm... don't run the ssh daemon?
[05:03] <thomas__> naww I want to be able to connect through another account
[05:04] <Jucato> hm...
[05:04] <Jucato> !ssh
[05:04] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:04] <Zergiu> yay
[05:04] <Zergiu> works
[05:04] <Zergiu> :)
[05:05] <Jucato> Zergiu: ok now that you've changed your sources.list, reload/refresh (in synaptic or "sudo apt-get update")
[05:05] <Zergiu> done that
[05:05] <Jucato> then try to install anything, most likely you'll also receive updates
[05:05] <Zergiu> download nedit atm
[05:05] <Jucato> build-essential too? :)
[05:05] <Zergiu> ye
[05:05] <Zergiu> I mean , installing not downloading
[05:05] <Jucato> heh funny that the original problem only started with a non-working server :)
[05:06] <thomas__> lol
[05:06] <Zergiu> I usually have these problems
[05:06] <Jucato> btw, since you were using the es. servers, I presume you speak spanish? because there are also channels for spanish
[05:07] <Zergiu> yes , but english is my favourite :P
[05:07] <Jucato> !es
[05:07] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:07] <Jucato> just in case you need locale help
[05:07] <thomas__> Jucato: so u don't know?
[05:08] <Jucato> thomas__:  nope. did you see that SSH link above? might have some info
[05:08] <Jucato> otherwise, perhaps google knows better
[05:08] <thomas__> K
[05:08] <Jucato> Zergiu: and for more Ubuntu questions, head on over to #ubuntu for more help :)
[05:09] <Zergiu> lol , don't you like me ? :P
[05:10] <Jucato> hahah
[05:10] <Jucato> I just think you might get better, more specific, more Ubuntu-oriented help in #ubuntu
[05:10] <Jucato> since I don't use Ubuntu, I don't know everything about it :)
[05:11] <Zergiu> oky :)
[05:13] <Zergiu> why does it say I don't have permisions
[05:13] <Zergiu> can I change that?
[05:14] <Jucato> because you don't. and you shouldn't :)
[05:14] <Zergiu> ok I agree , now I want to edit the file bashrc
[05:14] <Jucato> there are two type of users in Linux: the admin (superuser or root)... and everyone else :)
[05:15] <Jucato> all files outside your $HOME directory are not yours... you need special permission to change them. that's what sudo/kdesu/gksu are for
[05:15] <Jucato> !root | Zergiu
[05:15] <ubotu> Zergiu: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[05:15] <stdin> edit _your_ bashrc in ~/.bashrc, you only edit the system files if you really need to
[05:15] <Jucato> Zergiu: but everything in your home, you can edit
[05:16] <Zergiu> ok , so I'll ise gksu for that
[05:16] <contrast83> lol @ ubotu
[05:17] <Zergiu> the command will be gksu gedit ~/.bashrc
[05:18] <Zergiu> ?
[05:18] <Jucato> er no need
[05:18] <Jucato> [23:15]  <Jucato> Zergiu: but everything in your home, you can edit
[05:18] <Jucato> ~ = /home/username/
[05:18] <combinio> is this possible to connect MAC OS X to Kubuntu 7.04 to have INTERNET ?? :)) i mean if i have wireless and my neighbour has MAC OS X - is this possible to share a network with him ??
[05:18] <combinio> he's Macintosh and i have PC :] 
[05:18] <Ahmuck> !mp3
[05:18] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[05:19] <Zergiu> well I typed ~/. bashrc and permision denied
[05:19] <Jucato> lol!!  I'm a Mac and I'm a PC
[05:19] <combinio> Jucato: so is this possible ? :)
[05:19] <Jucato> Zergiu: gedit ~/.bashrc ?
[05:19] <combinio> Jucato: hi, btw :P
[05:19] <Zergiu> aha :P
[05:19] <Jucato> hehe hi combinio and no I don't know
[05:20] <combinio> Jucato: oh - i see - u have mac AND pc :D
[05:20] <combinio> Jucato: and did u try to connect those two ? ;P
[05:20] <Jucato> hehe I wish
[05:20] <combinio> Jucato: so it means - u don;t have ? ;>
[05:21] <combinio> that way... :] 
[05:21] <combinio> Jucato: but maybe u know where can i get help about that ? :] 
[05:21] <Jucato> nope I don't sorry
[05:21] <combinio> ok :)
[05:22] <BluesKaj> hmm, i normally assume ppl who as for help here are using kubunty-desktop and kde not ubuntu/gnome ...no wonder the commands ppl are giving Zergiu to use in the run box aren't working !
[05:22] <Jucato> heh
[05:22] <Zergiu> dam I have to restart :(
[05:23] <Jucato> O.o
[05:23] <poison--> lol
[05:24] <Zergiu> brb :P
[05:26] <contrast83> In theory, if you know enough about Linux, you should never really *have* to reboot just to fix a problem, right?
[05:28] <BluesKaj> nope, some things need relogin , reboot , only after stuff like new driver installs AFAIK
[05:29] <sander_> contrast83: ever installed a nvidia driver?
[05:30] <Zergiu> whats the diference between kubuntu and ubuntu?
[05:30] <sander_> kernel updates require a reboot before the new kernel can be loaded..
[05:30] <contrast83> sander_: Yeah. That's why I said "to fix a problem," not to install a new driver/kernel. ;-)
[05:30] <sander_> Zergiu: Ubuntu is gnome based.. kubuntu is KDE based
[05:31] <sander_> contrast83: well I just had a problem with adept_manager... and it was fixed by logging out and back in again :)
[05:31] <BluesKaj> Zergiu, kubuntu uses the kde desktop ...ubuntu uses the gnome desktop
[05:31] <contrast83> sander_: That's not rebooting though, is it? ;-)
[05:32] <Zergiu> aw , and the root files are the same for all , only desktop version are diferent?
[05:33] <sven_oostenbrink> Hi there, Im using kpilot to connect to my palm T3 but everytime I scan for the device, kpilot crashes heavily..  Ive used kpilot on fedora with the same device before without any problem though.. Does anybody has an idea how I can fix this?
[05:33] <BluesKaj> yes the base Operating system is called ubuntu cuz it comes with gnome as the default desktop,..Kubuntu still uses the ubuntu OS , but uses the Kde desktop
[05:33] <sander_> contrast83: haha no, but it means stop working and restart all the apps.. in my experience almost the same ;)
[05:33] <sander_> but technically you're right ;)
[05:34] <contrast83> sander_: That problem you just mentioned, assuming it's what I'm thinking of, can be fixed with one command
[05:34] <contrast83> !aptfix
[05:34] <stdin> actually the operating system is GNU/Linux, Ubuntu is the umbrella project
[05:34] <BluesKaj> not cuz it comes with the gnome desktop ...it's just the default
[05:34] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:34] <contrast83> I've got that command saved to a script named apt-fix.sh, given I'd never remember it.
[05:35] <BluesKaj> yeah stdin , I should have reversed the words
[05:36] <Zergiu> gaim crashed :(
[05:36] <Zergiu> always crashes when I login MSN
[05:36] <contrast83> sander_: And since you're not rebooting, the apps will all start back up much quicker since they're still in cache. :-)
[05:37] <Ahmuck> Zergiu: use pidgin
[05:37] <Zergiu> gona install it now
[05:37] <BluesKaj> Ahmuck, he's using gnome
[05:37] <Zergiu> don't tell me I can't use pidgin?
[05:37] <Ahmuck> he can still use pidgin
[05:37] <Zergiu> see :P
[05:38] <Ahmuck> pidgin is not desktop specific
[05:38] <BluesKaj> yeah, just a warning in case someone tells him commands for kde
[05:38] <Zergiu> apt-get install pidgin?
[05:38] <Ahmuck> you should be using pidgin anyhow, gaim died long time ago
[05:38] <contrast83> dpkg --get-selections > installed-packages.txt ... break system, reinstall ... dpkg --set-selections < installed-packages.txt && apt-get dselect-upgrade ... wait a few hours, then be happy. :-D
[05:38] <Dr_willis> !pidgen
[05:38] <Ahmuck> sudo aptitidue install pidgin
[05:38] <thomas__> does it matter where I put a command in the sshd config file?
[05:38] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about pidgen - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:38] <Dr_willis> I dident think pidgen was in the repos. Or is it in backports now?
[05:38] <Ahmuck> Zergiu: use aptitude
[05:38] <dappermuis> hehe thomas__, still going with the ssh?
[05:38] <Zergiu> ok
[05:39] <BluesKaj> !pidgin
[05:39] <ubotu> pidgin is the new name for Gaim forced by AOL's legal dept. It wasn't released in time for Feisty. Expect it in gutsy. See http://www.pidgin.im/index.php for more info. To install Pidgin please see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallPidgin2.0
[05:39] <stdin> contrast83: use AptOnCD and don't wait as long :) (or a local server like me)
[05:39] <thomas__> dappermuis: yea i'm working on this slowly between school and windows and linux :S
[05:39] <dappermuis> thomas__, lol ok
[05:39] <sven_oostenbrink> Anyone on crashing kpilot?
[05:39] <thomas__> dappermuis: so do you know?
[05:39] <contrast83> stdin: that doesn't take care of holding packages though
[05:40] <dappermuis> thomas__, not really sure - but my first guess would be that it doesn't matter
[05:40] <Zergiu> gona check the tutorial , aptitude was a command for ubuntu?
[05:40] <thomas__> dappermuis: your probably right
[05:40] <Dr_willis> aptitude is another front end to the apt system
[05:40] <Dr_willis> its a bit different then the others. :)
[05:40] <stdin> contrast83: no, make a local/cd repo, then when you dselect-upgrade you don't need to download again
[05:40] <Ahmuck> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/howto-install-pidgin-200-on-ubuntu-feisty-with-plugin-pack.html
[05:40] <BluesKaj> !aptitude
[05:40] <ubotu> aptitude is another terminal-based front-end to APT, like apt-get. However, aptitude can remember the dependencies installed with a package and remove them if you uninstall. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AptitudeSurvivalGuide
[05:41] <dappermuis> Read this, an argument in favour of aptitude - http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/pthree/~3/143372004/
[05:41] <contrast83> stdin: ohh, right. once gutsy's finalized, i probably will do that. not much point now though, since everything's being updated so often.
[05:42] <Zergiu> I have to desinstall gaim to install pidgin
[05:42] <Zergiu> :(
[05:42] <Zergiu> and if I get stuck then what
[05:42] <stdin> contrast83: speaking of which, 2 hours gone by since last upgrade, now I have 30 new ones :p
[05:42] <Ahmuck> ur using gaim to connect to irc?
[05:42] <Zergiu> ye
[05:42] <Doctor_Nick> uhm
[05:42] <BluesKaj> dappermuis, I used aptitude for a while and still do but it doesn't install some apps that apt can access...dunno why
[05:43] <Doctor_Nick> isn't pidgin in the fiesty repositories under "gaim"
[05:43] <Dr_willis> ive had aptitude do some... odd things...
[05:43] <Doctor_Nick> its 2.0.0, it's just not yet renamed to pidgin
[05:43] <dappermuis> BluesKaj, weird - it uses the same repositories as apt-get doesn't it?
[05:43] <Ahmuck> Doctor_Nick: really?
[05:43] <Doctor_Nick> looks like it
[05:43] <Dr_willis> Doctor_Nick,  ive never seen anyone else mention that befor. :)
[05:43] <Doctor_Nick> oh wait
[05:43] <Doctor_Nick> its beta6
[05:44] <Doctor_Nick> nvm ;o
[05:44] <sven_oostenbrink> Zergiu, erw, pidgin IS gaim, just with another name (had to change the name because of AOL).. its just the same thing but a newer version dude, no worries
[05:44] <BluesKaj> dappermuis, I assume that it does , and I agree it seems strange
[05:44] <Ahmuck> Zergiu: well there you go
[05:44] <Zergiu> ok , but can I update instead of downloading new version?
[05:45] <Zergiu> to avoid the msn crash
[05:45] <Dr_willis> bbl
[05:45] <JuJuBee> Trying to get NIS working properly in my lab.  It seems that users cannot use yppasswd to change their passwords.  Yppasswdd is not running on server.  After reading many how-to's, it seems that I should have : /etc/init.d/yppasswdd, but I do not.  I have /usr/sbin/rpc.yppasswd  instead.  What is the difference and  how do I start yppasswd?
[05:47] <contrast83> JuJuBee: I'm probably missing something here, but what about just passwd?
[05:47] <JuJuBee> I thought that I need to use yppasswd on the nis client to change their login password on the nis server?
[05:48] <contrast83> Ahh, ok. I was missing something. Sorry.
[05:49] <JuJuBee> np
[05:49] <JuJuBee> been banging my head against the wall for a few days now.
[05:55] <JuJuBee> Thanks martijn81 ;)
[05:57] <genii> /back
[05:57] <genii> bah
[05:58] <snowdonkey> Hi.  Can someone tell me how to give SSH access to my computer?  I've just installed openssh-server.
[05:58] <genii> BluesKaj: Did wes get his non-writable thimb drive figured out? I suspected ntfs
[05:58] <genii> *thumb
[05:59] <hydrogen> !ssh
[05:59] <ubotu> SSH is the Secure SHell protocol. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto for usage. Putty is a nice SSH client for Windows; it can be found at http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
[05:59] <snowdonkey> I read the directions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto.  They're not clear on what my server address is.
[05:59] <Tm_T> snowdonkey: your address
[06:00] <snowdonkey> Tim_T: ?
[06:00] <Tm_T> who's tim?
[06:00] <snowdonkey> Sorry.  ;)
[06:00] <Tm_T> snowdonkey: yes, your ssh address is your address
[06:00] <hydrogen> tm_t--
[06:00] <hydrogen> your ip address
[06:00] <Tm_T> snowdonkey: like, your current ip
[06:00] <hydrogen> not your street address
[06:01] <hydrogen> though that'd be cool!
[06:01] <hydrogen> ipoverups
[06:01] <hydrogen> aww
[06:01] <hydrogen> now i'm talking without permission!
[06:01] <snowdonkey> Tm_T: Ok.  How do I find my IP address?  I'm using a router.
[06:01] <Tm_T> snowdonkey: NAT ?
[06:01] <snowdonkey> Tm_T: ?
[06:01] <Tm_T> !nat
[06:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about nat - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:02] <Tm_T> hmh
[06:02] <hydrogen> snowdonkey: do you want to ssh from a computer on your lan or outside your lan?
[06:02] <ubunturos> !info nat
[06:02] <ubotu> Package nat does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[06:02] <snowdonkey> hydrogen: I need someone to have SSH access to my computer.  They live far away.
[06:02] <hydrogen> okay
[06:02] <genii> Wow, ubotu should know about nat
[06:02] <hydrogen> you will need to forward port 22 on your router then
[06:02] <hydrogen> to your computers ip address (ifconfig)
[06:02] <hydrogen> then give them the ip your router has
[06:02] <hydrogen> you can see it at a site like whatismyip.com
[06:03] <Doctor_Nick> uhm
[06:03] <Doctor_Nick> is it normal for most services to run as root on ubuntu
[06:03] <ubunturos> a lot who are in #Kubuntu are also in #KDE? Is it so?
[06:04] <poison--> si signor :D
[06:04] <snowdonkey> hydrogen: Ok, thx a lot.  I can just use my router's configuration page to forward port 22 to my IP address right, or are there Ubuntu commands?
[06:04] <hydrogen> use your router's config page
[06:05] <snowdonkey> hydrogen, Tm_T: Great, thx guys.
[06:05] <genii> Doctor_Nick: Yes, except some special things like mysql, postfix and some others
[06:06] <Tm_T> snowdonkey: no problem
[06:07] <lewix> hi
[06:08] <JuJuBee> I use php and sometimes use the php mail features.  I wish to enable mail on my server.  Is it easy to install sendmail with a basic config just to get something up and running?
[06:08] <lewix> I find my mouse too sensible it , how can I fix it
[06:08] <poison--> system configs
[06:13] <lewix> poison--, then
[06:13] <kyskyl> hola se habla espaol aqui?
[06:13] <stdin> !es | kyskyl
[06:13] <ubotu> kyskyl: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[06:14] <poison--> lewix, theres a mouse option rite?
[06:14] <kyskyl> ok
[06:14] <poison--> change them the way u like
[06:15] <oem> selam
[06:16] <hydrogen> thats not english!
[06:16] <JuJuBee> Anyboyd use Citadel for email?
[06:16] <JuJuBee> server
[06:16] <bluejaguar> yes it's not in english!
[06:16] <stdin> !tr | oem
[06:16] <ubotu> oem: Turk ubuntu kullanicilari, turkce yardim yada geyik icin #ubuntu-tr hizmetinizde.
[06:17] <bluejaguar> so what ?
[06:17] <stdin> oem/bluejaguar
[06:19] <bluejaguar> hi all
[06:24] <bluejaguar> hi
[06:38] <sven_oostenbrink> I have apt-get telling me that compiz-core canbe upgraded.. When I upgrade it, the upgrade is successful, no probs, but compiz-core stays upgradable.. The apt-get desktopp updater tells me the same about compiz-core.. How can I fix this?
[06:41] <poison--> need a good ftp client, anyone?
[06:45] <gnondpom> Bonsoir
[06:47] <gnondpom> J'ai une petite question  propos d'amarok
[06:47] <martijn81> poison--: kftpgrabber is highest rated at kde-apps.org
[06:48] <poison--> sweet
[06:48] <hydrogen> !fr | gnondpom
[06:48] <ubotu> gnondpom: Allez a #ubuntu-fr ou #kubuntu-fr pour de l'aide et de la discussion en francais.
[06:51] <homaax> hi
[06:52] <homaax> i just installed kubuntu on a toshiba sattelite A200-1K8 and there is no sound, it's not muted and kmix looks fine
[06:52] <homaax> any suggestions?
[06:53] <steve____> oh man, i have no idea how this works :S
[06:55] <jhutchins> homaax: Check headphone and spdif settings.
[06:56] <poison--> cant change anitin in aMSN, any ideas?
[06:56] <BluesKaj> homaax, k-menu/system settings/sound system/enable sound system,then choose hardware tab/select the audio device/Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, click apply
[06:56] <poison--> profile n stuff
[06:56] <poison--> it crashes
[06:57] <homaax> thanx BluesKaj
[06:58] <BluesKaj> ok homaax, you aren't finished yet , in the terminal type ' alsamixer ', make sure the Master, PCM, Line & CD are all unmuted ,by using the "M" key'
[06:58] <soulrider> !virtualbox
[06:58] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[06:59] <homaax> and now?
[07:00] <homaax> BluesKaj: everything is unmuted
[07:00] <BluesKaj> homaax, relogin
[07:00] <homaax> okay
[07:00] <homaax> one minute
[07:02] <PhinnFort> BluesKaj: if he has a machine with santarosa chipset, sound won't work
[07:02] <BluesKaj> uhoh
[07:02] <homaax> BluesKaj: still no sound :/
[07:02] <PhinnFort> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130559
[07:02] <PhinnFort> homaax: what is the output of "lspci | grep -i audio"?
[07:03] <PhinnFort> in a terminal
[07:03] <martijn81> poison--: what about kopete?
[07:04] <homaax> thomas@linuxbook:~$ lspci | grep -i audio
[07:04] <homaax> 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 02)
[07:04] <homaax> thomas@linuxbook:~$
[07:04] <homaax> BluesKaj:
[07:04] <PhinnFort> homaax: afaik, you won't have sound until the ubuntu kernel maintainers get their collective arses in gear and include the latest alsa drivers into their kernel packages
[07:05] <homaax> so no way of geting it to work?
[07:05] <soulrider> given a deb file, is there any way to install all dependencies?
[07:05] <PhinnFort> homaax: look at the stuff suggested in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/130559
[07:06] <homaax> oh weak
[07:06] <PhinnFort> i know
[07:06] <homaax> okay thanx for the info guys
[07:06] <PhinnFort> I bought a laptop with intel chipset to get good linux drivers
[07:06] <PhinnFort> and this is what it brought me:(
[07:07] <poison--> kopete is gay
[07:07] <poison--> just fixed it :D
[07:07] <PhinnFort> poison--: your mother was ...
[07:07] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:07] <poison--> really dunno how she had me tho
[07:07] <poison--> :D
[07:07] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:07] <PhinnFort> don't ask
[07:08] <PhinnFort> poison--: how did you fix it, btw?
[07:09] <poison--> when saving profile, theres a Save and a Close button
[07:09] <poison--> cant press both
[07:09] <poison--> only save, and it will close automatic
[07:09] <poison--> :D
[07:09] <poison--> i was too fast for it
[07:09] <PhinnFort> :P
[07:10] <PhinnFort> faster than your own shadow, or something
[07:12] <poison--> hell yeah
[07:12] <mtfuchs> are 100 MB for /boot enough?
[07:13] <stdin> maybe, maybe not
[07:13] <allengould> So, anyone wanna give a shot at figuring out my install problem?
 whats the issue?
[07:14] <allengould> When I try and install from the CD, it gives me a string on the bottom of the screen and then it stops
[07:14] <ribena007> afternoon
[07:15] <poison--> laptop?
[07:15] <allengould> nope. it's a compaq presario with a 2.4 ghz celeron
[07:15] <yetis> dncem
[07:15] <poison--> did u finish the install?
[07:15] <poison--> doncem to u 2
[07:16] <allengould> no. It  doesn't do anything
[07:16] <poison--> ok, so u boot with live CD and some how, somewhere it just freezes?
[07:16] <allengould> it says: Int 14: CR2 df800000 err 00000000 etc etc
[07:17] <poison--> hey bigleon
[07:17] <allengould> yeah, right away
[07:17] <poison--> sup
[07:17] <poison--> ok buddie, try adding acpi=off to the boot
[07:17] <allengould> ok
[07:17] <allengould> brb
[07:17] <poison--> kk
[07:17] <bigleon> Gah my Ac Adapter went dead no comp for a while
[07:17] <poison--> lmao
[07:18] <bigleon> stupid thing just randomly started working today after i ordered a new warranty part
[07:18] <poison--> sucks when u depend on that thingie
[07:18] <poison--> ahahahahahha
[07:18] <poison--> now that sux
[07:18] <bigleon> Pfft, I could call in saying it started working but i still wana switch it out
[07:18] <poison--> did u check if the cable is ok
[07:18] <bigleon> I'm a student can't have an ac-adapter play trick on me
[07:18] <bigleon> Yeah i'm a cert tech, i checked everything
[07:18] <poison--> weird
[07:18] <bigleon> Yeah...
[07:19] <mtfuchs> how much swap would a 2 GB RAM system need?
[07:19] <allengould> hey poison, it worked. I remember having this problem a long time ago.
 512 is more than enough i guess
[07:19] <poison--> sweet allengould
[07:19] <poison--> now reboot again and add this: acpi=off apm=on
[07:20] <poison--> so u have a nice clean install
[07:20] <poison--> hate acpi
[07:20] <allengould> ok, cool
[07:20] <poison--> yesterday i couldnt install kubuntu into a asus F5V, damn acpi just dont let it
[07:20] <poison--> tried everitin
[07:20] <poison--> nutin worked out
[07:21] <poison--> those santarosa laptops are crap
[07:21] <melkor> Alright I'm trying to enable chinese characters with pdflatex.
[07:22] <melkor> first question how can I find what directory $TEXFM referes to?
[07:22] <Dr_willis> melkor,  echo $TEXFM should show it. (i think)
[07:23] <melkor> its blank
[07:23] <allengould> so, another question. what wireless USB adapter do you all think is the best to try and get working with linux?
[07:24] <poison--> i would go for atheros chipset
[07:24] <poison--> broadcom is good too
[07:24] <allengould> is that an actual card?
[07:24] <poison--> marvell are nice also
[07:24] <poison--> no, chipset, dont think the brand really matters with linux
[07:24] <allengould> ah, ok.
[07:25] <Dr_willis> melkor,  then set it? :) export TEXFM=whatever/
[07:25] <poison--> u can buy a hardcore linksys card, but the chipset would be atheros
[07:25] <martijn81> the guide to PATH KDE4 here: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php How todo it?
[07:25] <poison--> so, chipset its all dat matters i guess
[07:25] <martijn81> where do i put it in the /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde  file?
[07:27] <melkor> Dr_willis, I don't know if I need it
[07:27] <Dr_willis> melkor,  i dont either.. got no idea what its refering to.. so.. cant help ya much more then telling ya how to set a variable.
[07:28] <vbgunz> vim7 will *not* show up in Kubuntu 7.10 correct?
[07:28] <melkor> I can run latex and make a dvi file, but when I got to change/view the dvi file it cant find the fonts.
[07:28] <melkor> The fonts all correspond to a .tfb file that I have but...
[07:28] <Dr_willis> melkor,  i aint used tex in...err... 20+ years.. egads.. i am old.. :(
[07:28] <vbgunz> forget that stupid remark :P
[07:29] <melkor> What I really want to do is change unicode to .gif files so I can put it on my cell phone.
[07:30] <melkor> Maybe I could get around latex altogether.
[07:30] <Dr_willis> melkor,  convert ascii text files to gif?
[07:30] <attila> sorry, but I cant speak English well
[07:30] <attila> I'm Hungarian
[07:31] <poison--> hummm
[07:32] <[1] MarcC> I'm getting "mount point /media/tunes" does not exist when I try to use CIFS, or view it in Konqueror. But when I use "ls" on the command line, the folder shows up. Anybody know why this might be happening?
[07:32] <poison--> chmod 775 should work
[07:32] <poison--> :D
[07:32] <mangz74> hi...i am just starting back in kubuntu
[07:32] <Dr_willis> [1] MarcC,  you see the actual network files with ls ?
[07:32] <poison--> sup mangz
[07:32] <mangz74> how do i start update-manager?
[07:33] <mangz74> never had this before
[07:33] <melkor> Dr_Willis I can use chinese characters in the terminal, and kate, and If I set the encoding to UTF-8 it shows up in mozilla
[07:33] <poison--> go to: System - Adept
[07:33] <[1] MarcC> Dr_willis, I don't see the files because mount isn't working, but the "non existing" mount point is there.
[07:33] <mangz74> anyway i could do that cli?
[07:33] <Dr_willis> [1] MarcC,  ive been using the 'smbfuse' tools lately -    Not sure what your specific problem is sorry...
[07:33] <Dr_willis> !find smbfuse
[07:33] <ubotu> Package/file smbfuse does not exist in feisty
[07:33] <Dr_willis> Hmm
[07:33] <[1] MarcC> Dr_willis, is smbfuse better than cifs?
[07:34] <Dr_willis> [1] MarcC,  i can honestly say i have NEVER in 10+ years used 'cifs'
[07:34] <TunaTom> martijn81: Just create a small shell skript, put the stuff from the kubuntu description in there and startkde
[07:34] <Dr_willis> !info fusesmb
[07:34] <ubotu> fusesmb: filesystem client based on the SMB file transfer protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.5-1 (feisty), package size 26 kB, installed size 140 kB
[07:34] <[1] MarcC> ok, because CIFS was recommended to me over smbmount, I think
[07:34] <Dr_willis> [1] MarcC,  you might want to read that using-samba book (its in the samba-doc) package. or find some more examples
[07:35] <Dr_willis> mounting samba shares from the fstab can be a bit tricky :)
[07:35] <TunaTom> martijn81: Else if ou _want_ to change that startkde file, put the lines at the top.
[07:35] <Dr_willis> I like the fusesmb stuff because it lets me put the whole network in one directory
[07:35] <[1] MarcC> thanks Dr_willis :)
[07:35] <Dr_willis> for linux-linux machines i use the fusesmb stuff..
[07:35] <Dr_willis> !info sshfs
[07:35] <ubotu> sshfs: filesystem client based on SSH File Transfer Protocol. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.6-1 (feisty), package size 29 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:35] <martijn81> TunaTom: i done that, above the !bash comments
[07:36] <martijn81> TunaTom: but i do not get ktorrent KDE4 version working
[07:36] <TunaTom> martijn81: Oh, the first line should stay intact (the #!/bin/bash line)
[07:36] <poison--> nice
[07:36] <jussi01> netsplit!!
[07:37] <TunaTom> martijn81: That line is for the shell to know what to do with the skript
[07:37] <[1] MarcC> what's the command to restart networking?
[07:37] <martijn81> coool
[07:37] <TunaTom> martijn81: works?
[07:38] <martijn81> TunaTom: dunno, have to try
[07:38] <martijn81> and see what it comes up with
[07:38] <martijn81> probably have to reinstall ktorrent after changing the script
[07:38] <martijn81> right?
[07:38] <martijn81> [1] MarcC: sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[07:38] <TunaTom> martijn81: what does it have to do with ktorrent?
[07:40] <XboxUser> anyone know if its possible to turn kubuntu into ubuntu? just wondering ;)
[07:41] <bigleon> well you can install the Ubuntu desktop if thats what you mean
[07:41] <bigleon> Which is Gnome
[07:41] <XboxUser> do i have to get rid of kde or whatever kubuntu uses?
[07:42] <bigleon> Not 100pct sure
[07:42] <bigleon> if you want to save spacce i would asume
[07:42] <ribena007> XboxUser: nah you don't you just change session KDE or Gnome
[07:43] <Dr_willis> I have ubuntu and kubuntu and xubuntu all on my install.
[07:43] <Dr_willis> and a dozen other window managers..
[07:44] <[1] MarcC> how do I unmount a share?
[07:44] <emilsedgh> Dragnslcr: for what?!
[07:44] <RichiH> even though the event when i insert a sd card into my tifm card reader is detected, kde will not ask me what i want to do with the card, any more
[07:44] <RichiH> it used to do so
[07:44] <RichiH> suggestions?
[07:44] <ScorpKing> does anyone know how to get devilspie working under kde?
[07:44] <ribena007> XboxUser: won't let me mesage you lol go to konsole
[07:45] <XboxUser> ok, what do I do after that?
[07:45] <ribena007> XboxUser: type in sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[07:45] <XboxUser> will that change it to like ubuntu (gnome)?
[07:46] <ribena007> XboxUser: it'll install ubuntu and kubuntu together then all you do is when you come to your login screen click select session then select Gnome and set it as default when you install it it'll ask you what you want to use
[07:46] <martijn81> TunaTom: well, that was what another guy said, that i needed to install KDE4 first
[07:46] <leo28> where set-up a laptop's mousepad?
[07:48] <ribena007> XboxUser: in your case tell it to install the GNOME default work station you can always switch back to KDE if you don't like it
[07:49] <Dr_willis> I dont see the rush to mess with kde4 at this time. Its still very much a work in progress
[07:49] <LjL> why do i have the feeling that it'll remain such for the next, say, couple of years :P
[07:50] <TunaTom> martijn81: did ou follow the instructions on that kubuntu kde4 beta2 page?
[07:51] <XboxUser> how long did it take all of u to get used to kubuntu? i just switched from windows, gonna take ages to get used to it :)
[07:52] <ribena007> XboxUser: i've been using kubuntu for 3 days :P so 3 days, what you got to do is not go back to windows keep using it, if you switch back it just messes it up
[07:52] <Dr_willis> at work.. guy got used to kubuntu in about a week.
[07:53] <Dr_willis> I had to break him of some of his BAD windows habbits.
[07:53] <jhutchins> Really depends on what you do with the system and how you think about it.
[07:54] <ribena007> unlike you lot :p i am god mwhahha now get on ya knees and face me j/k
[07:54] <emilsedgh> Worst windows habit: Press Next or OK, without reading the messages :D
[07:54] <martijn81> TunaTom: yeah, except adding the commands to that file, i did that wrong
[07:54] <jhutchins> I came into Windows with a strong mainframe/DOS background, then ran linux for years without a gui on servers before I made the switch.  Wasn't much of a challenge once I got hardware that would support it.
[07:54] <ribena007> jhutchins: only problem i'm having with this is webcam :P
[07:54] <XboxUser> thanks for the help ribena007 :P Hopefully i'll get used to it :)
[07:55] <jhutchins> !webcam | ribena007
[07:55] <ubotu> ribena007: Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[07:55] <Dr_willis> Webcams are such a gamble. :)
[07:55] <Dr_willis> i got 3, none work.. but they are cheap junkers.
[07:55] <Dr_willis> then again.. i get them out of the closet about once a year.. and try again.
[07:55] <ribena007> tried it jhutchins not recognizing me at all but it don't matter i can wait for a driver lol luckily for me my computers old so everythings recognized :D
[07:56] <TunaTom> martijn81: Then you already _have_ kde4.0 beta2 installed and there's no need to do anything with ktorrent.
[07:57] <ribena007> Dr_willis: lol take it you have webcam troubles too ? :p
[07:58] <Dr_willis> work time 4me. :) byeee
[08:00] <martijn> is it normal that the systray does not work in kde4?
[08:00] <ribena007> brb gonna reboot
[08:01] <martijn> TunaTom: kde4 works, but ktorrent is still 2.2dev while it should be 3.0dev
[08:01] <TunaTom> martijn81: Seems as if you are mainly interested in ktorrent?
[08:01] <martijn> TunaTom: yeah
[08:02] <TunaTom> martijn81: Perhaps the current dev-version is in another package?
[08:02] <martijn> TunaTom: i think it is in trunk, and i have that installed
[08:03] <martijn> TunaTom: btw, why konqueror is still version 3.5.6 in kde4?
[08:03] <martijn> isn't that weird
[08:04] <TunaTom> martijn81: Well, you installed kdebase-workspace.
[08:04] <TunaTom> martijn81: perhaps ktorrent is in another package.
[08:05] <martijn> TunaTom: ktorrent is in svn
[08:05] <TunaTom> martijn81: But you didn't build kde4.0 beta2 from svn, did you? You followed  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[08:06] <martijn> TunaTom: YEAH, i followed the kubuntu page
[08:06] <martijn> kicker does not show up either
[08:06] <TunaTom> martijn81: Then ou don't have the current svn version.
[08:07] <TunaTom> (Sorry, the "y" on my keyboard hangs sometimes)
[08:07] <TunaTom> s/ou/you/
[08:07] <TunaTom> In my installation konqueror is version 3.93.00
[08:08] <martijn> that is more than weird
[08:08] <TunaTom> But then I use kdesvn-build . Dunno.
[08:09] <TunaTom> Can you start a console in that kde4 session of yours?
[08:09] <sven_oostenbrink> How can I encrypt a file in command line with a public and private key??
[08:09] <martijn> TunaTom: yeah, version 1.6.6
[08:10] <TunaTom> no, I mean: what's the output of
[08:10] <Ch1ppy> hey, is there any way to open all links that I click on outside of opera open in a new tab?  So if, say, I click on a link in Konversation, I want it to open a new tab for that link...
[08:10] <TunaTom> echo $PATH
[08:10] <stdin> sven_oostenbrink: See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GnuPrivacyGuardHowto and class #8 on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ClassroomTranscripts
[08:10] <TunaTom> which konqueror
[08:10] <TunaTom> etc
[08:11] <martijn> TunaTom: /usr/lib/kde4/bin:/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games
[08:12] <TunaTom> martijn81: And what gives "which konqueror" ?
[08:12] <martijn> TunaTom: /usr/lib/kde4/bin/konqueror
[08:12] <martijn> thanks for helping out :)
[08:12] <stdin> show what "konqueror --version" shows (in pastebin)
[08:13] <TunaTom> martijn81: Where did you see that konqueror has the version 3.5.6 ?
[08:13] <TunaTom> pleasure
[08:13] <BluesKaj> open konq /help/about konqueror
[08:14] <martijn> stdin: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37813/
[08:14] <martijn> TunaTom: in help> about
[08:15] <TunaTom> martijn81: Does it report that version, too if you start "konqueror" from the console?
[08:15] <TunaTom> Because your pastebin shows the correct version.
[08:15] <martijn> TunaTom: no! then i have the right version!
[08:15] <martijn> thanks
[08:16] <martijn> but how to fix this?
[08:16] <martijn> reboot?
[08:16] <TunaTom> NO
[08:16] <martijn> hehe
[08:16] <martijn> i have started it from KDM
[08:17] <martijn> but the normal "plasma kicker" isn't there yet either, so i use kicker
[08:18] <martijn> dunno whether that has something todo with it
[08:18] <stdin> kicker will start the KDE3.x app, not the KDE4 app
[08:18] <BluesKaj> I tried KDE4 but all I could get to works was Plasma and not very well at at that ...obviously i was missing some thing , altho i did follow the instructions on the page.
[08:18] <TunaTom> stdin: kicker will start whatever it finds first in the PATH, won't it?
[08:19] <stdin> TunaTom: no, apparently not. several people have tried it and it doesn't work
[08:19] <TunaTom> martijn81: Try starting kde4 with Xephyr, as descriped on that kubuntu page.
[08:20] <stdin> also... There is no launcher or kicker replacement in KDE4b2, we know this, it's not a bug. It's just the way KDE4b2 is
[08:21] <TunaTom> Using my kdesvn-build session, I get the correct konqueror version from the kicker.
[08:21] <TunaTom> Perhaps some PATH s are b0rked in kubuntu?
[08:21] <martijn> TunaTom: this is now my kicker looks like http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/6311/snapshot1tp3.png
[08:22] <ScorpKing> thomas__: you still want to restrict ssh login to one user?
[08:22] <martijn> i will try from Xephr now
[08:22] <martijn> brb
[08:23] <TunaTom> martijn81: That's how it's supposed to look. It' won't look different if you start it in xephyr.
[08:23] <TunaTom> As stdin said above: It's just the way KDE4b2 is .
[08:23] <TunaTom> Work in progress :)
[08:23] <martijn81> so i have to run the svn version
[08:24] <martijn81> do you have that script for me?
[08:24] <martijn81> maybe i can upgrade to a workable kde version
[08:26] <TunaTom> martijn81: This will get you started:
[08:26] <TunaTom> http://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts#Using_kdesvn-build
[08:26] <TunaTom> There's the most of the skripts I used.
[08:26] <TunaTom> But you need perseverance if you want to compile by hand:
[08:27] <TunaTom> Takes up to 5 hour at the first time.
[08:27] <TunaTom> On a fast machine.
[08:27] <stdin> and a fast connection
[08:28] <TunaTom> But if you want to do it and still want help, there's a lot of help around. (Me too :)
[08:32] <urm> hey anyone
[08:32] <martijn81> thanks TunaTom!
[08:32] <martijn81> i got the same results in Xephyr
[08:33] <urm> is there some1 who can tell me where can i get a registered irc user?
[08:34] <TunaTom> martijn81: You left too fast :)
[08:34] <TunaTom> That what was written above:
[08:34] <TunaTom> [20:23]  <TunaTom> martijn81: That's how it's supposed to look. It' won't look different if you start it in xephyr.
[08:34] <TunaTom> [20:23]  <TunaTom> As stdin said above: It's just the way KDE4b2 is .
[08:34] <TunaTom> [20:23]  <TunaTom> Work in progress :)
[08:34] <TunaTom> [20:26]  <TunaTom> martijn81: This will get you started:
[08:34] <TunaTom> ttp://techbase.kde.org/Getting_Started/Increased_Productivity_in_KDE4_with_Scripts#Using_kdesvn-build
[08:34] <TunaTom> But you need perseverance if you want to compile by hand:
[08:34] <TunaTom> Takes up to 5 hour at the first time.
[08:34] <TunaTom> On a fast machine
[08:35] <TunaTom> (stdin: your word)
[08:35] <stdin> and a fast connection
[08:35] <stdin> :p
[08:35] <TunaTom> But if you want to do it and still want help, there's a lot of help around. (Me too :)
[08:35] <TunaTom> lo
[08:36] <TunaTom> l
[08:36] <martijn81> cool
[08:36] <martijn81> i do not get this though...Copy kdesvn-buildrc-sample to $KDE_SRC/.kdesvn-buildrc, then edit it. Global options:
[08:37] <martijn81> oh wait
[08:38] <martijn81> i know from the readme
[08:39] <TunaTom> martijn81: Start reading from the top of the page.
[08:39] <TunaTom> Take your time, you won't run your svn version of kde before the end of the week, anyway.
[08:41] <martijn81> lol
[08:43] <winbond> how do i see where foo is installed ?  how do i create links to file using dolphin??
[08:43] <Tomerz> Hello  :D
[08:44] <urm> oh boy
[08:44] <urm> hey
[08:45] <urm> can any1 help me out to register
[08:45] <urm> ?
[08:46] <martijn81> winbond: which foo
[08:47] <martijn81> winbond: link to files, i use ln -s for that
[08:47] <martijn81> those are called symbolic links
[08:48] <winbond> martijn81, any foo, and how do i make links without using the konsole?
[08:48] <Tomerz> urm : register this server?
[08:50] <martijn81> winbond: afaik you have to use the console
[08:51] <martijn81> TunaTom: configuring the script is hard for me.lol
[08:53] <TunaTom> martijn81: You want be to upload my kdesvn-buildrc to have a look at?
[08:54] <contrast83> Woohoo
[08:55] <TunaTom> martijn81: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37816/, but that contains the wrong $HOME for you.
[08:55] <martijn81> TunaTom: sure
[08:55] <martijn81> i see
[08:55] <contrast83> I've only been trying to do that for like, half a year.
[08:56] <ubuntu> Ooomgggg this live cd looks soooo good!!
[08:56] <TunaTom> martijn81: Follows: a prepare skript that I always run before a kde4 session. Sets up paths etc. Needs adjustment.
[08:56] <TunaTom> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37817/
[08:58] <Poop> hey guys i just tried pclinuxos and it comes with beryl pre installed, its a beauty. does kubuntu do that without me having to install it myself?
[08:58] <TunaTom> make skripts like "startkde_svn" in your ~/bin, that contain ". ~/prepareDev" and "startkde"
[08:58] <Tomerz> How can i play mp3 from windows ntfs partition?:X
[09:00] <TunaTom> martijn81: Gotta leave now. But this stuff will keep you busy for a few days :)
[09:00] <martijn81> i know it will~
[09:00] <martijn81> thanks man!
[09:01] <TunaTom> Cheers.
[09:01] <contrast83> hoop: It's installed by default on Ubuntu. On Kubuntu, it's as simple as installing a few packages that are in the default repositories.
[09:01] <Poop> arg. Thanks.
[09:02] <contrast83> NP. Poop, you realize Beryl is deprecated by Compiz-Fusion, right?
[09:02] <Poop> Oh really
[09:02] <contrast83> Yeah. Beryl's no longer being maintained/developed.
[09:03] <Poop> So I should be installing that instead. It's so difficult googling things, I always get old results
[09:03] <contrast83> So when I said "it" in that first comment, I was referring to CF.
[09:03] <contrast83> hoop: And I should clarify - that's with Gutsy, to be released in October, not Feisty
[09:03] <Poop> But see, i have this pclinuxos v.2007... and it has beryl on it...
[09:04] <contrast83> Yeah. I messed with PCLOS07 a bit. It looked mighty pretty, but it seemed to be more style over substance, IMHO.
[09:04] <Poop> I dont think it looked pretty at all. this fiesty fawn kubuntu looks shinnney, THAT is pretty!
[09:04] <contrast83> err, not sure why i keep saying hoop.
[09:05] <Poop> haha :)
[09:05] <contrast83> lol
[09:05] <Hoop> Sorry about all the questions, but it seems there are a few important differences with Ubuntu/Kubuntu.. so...
[09:05] <contrast83> No problem, ask away. :-)
[09:05] <Hoop> does kubuntu have the same easy system/app update taht Ubuntu has? :)
[09:06] <Hoop> (I love ubuntu, but like kde better :) )
[09:06] <contrast83> Kubuntu uses the Adept suite of package management tools, which suck compared to GNOME's. I uninstalled all of them and I just use GNOME's instead.
[09:07] <fiyawerx> hey guys, is there any major issues as to why NOT to try out gutsy? Fresh install here, so not worried about losing anything
[09:08] <contrast83> fiyawerx: Can you handle potential breakage?
[09:08] <Hoop> breakage...? ^^;;
[09:08] <lewix> my problem are never solved lol
[09:08] <fiyawerx> contrast83: as in packages/apps? I should be able to
[09:08] <rrbiz> what's up with scanning in linux is there only a few scanners supported ?
[09:08] <lewix> when your mouse it too sensible how to you fix it
[09:09] <fiyawerx> as long as its not about to fry any hardware, if anything serious breaks I can just go back to 7.04 really
[09:09] <fiyawerx> was just wondering if its worth trying gutsy
[09:09] <fiyawerx> mainly
[09:09] <contrast83> lewix: Run command -> kcontrol -> Peripherals -> Mouse
[09:09] <mini-me> hey, i have problems with my screen resolution. It is max 640x360. although i have changed the xorg.conf and restarted x
[09:09] <contrast83> fiyawerx: I've never known of an OS to physically damage hardware, so I'd say you're safe. :-)
[09:09] <rrbiz> i upgraded my desktop and laptop to gutsy and both work fine
[09:10] <mini-me> in ubuntu i hadn't that problem
[09:10] <contrast83> All 3 of my computers are on Gutsy, and I've run into some issues, but nothing a little googling and patience wasn't able to fix.
[09:11] <contrast83> Actually, scratch that. I just had to reinstall on the laptop to get Compiz working again, but since I have seperate partitions for / and /home, reinstalling is no hassle, really.
[09:11] <rrbiz> suspend works great, but after when i try shutn down it gets stuck b4 going completely off
[09:11] <lewix> when kubuntu would'nt turn off ,restart or log out on the GUI whereas it does work on the console. how do you solve it
[09:11] <lewix> contrast83, thank you very much
[09:12] <contrast83> lewix: np
[09:12] <contrast83> lewix: You just want to shutdown from the command line?
[09:13] <lewix> contrast83, ok let me rephrase it. I'm not able to shut down,restart or log out from the GUI
[09:13] <lewix> contrast83, I can only do it from the command line (console)
[09:13] <contrast83> oh ok. so it just hangs when you try to do it from KDE/KDM?
[09:14] <contrast83> I'm not sure on that one, TBH. Sorry.
[09:14] <Tomerz> How can i play mp3 from windows ntfs partition?:X
[09:15] <Azzco> I'm trying to use contact and I'm trying to add several address books, classmates, freinds, UT freinds. but when I add a new directory everyone gets cloned in there... how do I make an empty directory?
[09:15] <lewix> contrast83, exactly. thank you though
[09:15] <stdin> Tomerz: same way you play them from any partition
[09:15] <soulrider> !virtualbox
[09:15] <ubotu> VirtualBox is open-source virtualization software for x86, with a proprietary "enterprise" version sporting additional features. Packages for Ubuntu are provided by the makers at http://www.virtualbox.org/ - Setup details at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/VirtualBox
[09:16] <Tomerz> it didnt work...
[09:16] <lewix> how can I make my screensaver change itself automatically?
[09:16] <Tomerz> maybe i need some special player?
[09:16] <lewix> stdin, hey...what's up buddy
[09:16] <fiyawerx> gutsy tribe 5 is the newest, right?
[09:17] <lewix> Tomerz, vlc
[09:17] <contrast83> fiyawerx: Right
[09:17] <lewix> Tomerz, any player would work
[09:17] <stdin> !doesn't work | Tomerz
[09:17] <ubotu> Tomerz: Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[09:17] <stdin> lewix: nothing much, just compiling kde :p
[09:18] <Hoop> Isn't it a bad thing that there is no root password on fresh install .... ?
[09:18] <stdin> !root | Hoop
[09:18] <ubotu> Hoop: Do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[09:18] <andres__> HOLA
[09:19] <contrast83> Well, I'm heading out. Peace, y'all.
[09:19] <tzanger> is anyone else having trouble with the skype client?  It starts up but just hangs
[09:22] <XboxUser> what would I type to install java runtime enviorment (if it can be done this way)? sudo apt-get install java?
[09:23] <stdin> XboxUser: "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre"  (sun-java6-bin for the plugin)
[09:23] <XboxUser> thx
[09:23] <stdin> if you have multiverse enabled that is
[09:23] <XboxUser> multiverse?
[09:23] <stdin> !multiverse
[09:23] <ubotu> The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[09:24] <XboxUser> k i'll enable it now
[09:25] <XboxUser> I love this irc channel, all the help from u guys :P
[09:27] <Hoop> I love this place too. Im at anotehr channel for another distro, and theyre mean haha
[09:32] <n8k99> XboxUser: and Hoop let Hobbsee know that sort of stuff as well!
[09:32] <fiyawerx> Hoop: nobody in pclinuxos-support was mean to you
[09:33] <XboxUser> heh wtf
[09:33] <XboxUser> i typed sudo apt-get install sun-java6-jre and it downloaded it, now it keeps showing a screen in konsole saying Configuring sun-java6-bin, how do i get rid of it?
[09:34] <cpk1> any special things I should take note of when upgrading to fiesty and am keeping my home partition?
[09:34] <fiyawerx> got backups of anything important?
[09:34] <stdin> XboxUser: you have to accept the licence, use PageUp/PageDown and tab to navigate
[09:35] <XboxUser> damn, i just closed it, dunno how to accept the liscence
[09:35] <stdin> XboxUser: start it up again "sudo dpkg --configure -a"
[09:36] <XboxUser> stdin: dpkg: status database area is locked by another process
[09:37] <XboxUser> dunno whats locked it though
[09:37] <stdin> do what ubotu says....
[09:37] <stdin> !aptfix
[09:37] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[09:39] <XboxUser> Sudo: command not found
[09:39] <fiyawerx> no cap
[09:39] <fiyawerx> XboxUser: case sensitive
[09:42] <XboxUser> ok i think it installed that
[09:42] <XboxUser> I tried sun-java6-bin but it wouldn't work though
[09:42] <XboxUser> The following packages have unmet dependencies.
[09:42] <XboxUser>   sun-java6-bin: Depends: sun-java6-jre (= 6-00-2ubuntu2) but it is not going to be installed
[09:42] <XboxUser> E: Unmet dependencies. Try apt-get -f install with no packages (or specify a solution).
[09:45] <stdin> XboxUser: try what it says "sudo apt-get -f install"
[09:46] <esper] > hey, anyone running windows games through wine?
[09:46] <Azzco> How do I make a window grab the mouse in kde?
[09:46] <esper] > i read some where that to do so i shouldn't use the repo version of wine
[09:46] <Azzco> esper] : the repo version works good for me..
[09:46] <esper] > but i can't seem to find that article again, though
[09:47] <esper] > Azzco: cool beans. have you been able to run something like wow?
[09:47] <Azzco> I've only ran UT and plasmapong and they've worked rather flawlessly :)
[09:47] <esper] > excellent thanks azzco
[09:47] <Azzco> esper] : http://www.winehq.com
[09:48] <esper] > Azzco: yah im on there now actually
[09:48] <Azzco> You'll see a ubuntu/debian repo somewhere on there
[09:48] <Azzco> See if it matches yours ;)
[09:48] <Tomerz> when i am trying to play music from ntfs windows partition its write no support
[09:49] <esper] > Tomerz: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=217009
[09:49] <Azzco> So noone knows how to make a window grab the mouse?
[09:50] <esper] > i missed what you were trying to do azzco
[09:50] <esper] > what do you mean grab the mouse?
[09:51] <Tomerz> there is no faisy there.. .X:
[09:51] <Azzco> esper] : So that the mouse won't leave the window
[09:52] <esper] > Azzco: are you writing an app or want xorg to do it for you?
[09:52] <Azzco> I'm playing a game and I want to do it windowed.
[09:53] <Azzco> someone told me about a nice shortcut, something like Ctrl+F12 or something
[09:53] <esper] > i've never run into that
[09:53] <esper] > its always the app itself that holds onto the mouse until it loses focus in my experience
[09:55] <Azzco> It's an FPS game... really annoying as you can only turn about 230 degrees or something
[09:55] <esper] > yeah i bet
[09:55] <Azzco> I can't really explain it... I know that I've been able to solve it but that was about half a year ago
[09:55] <poison--> ffs... damnit
[09:56] <poison--> cant axx my linux machine from windows again
[09:56] <poison--> bah
[09:56] <poison--> keeps askin me for username and pwd
[09:56] <esper] > are you using samba poison?
[09:56] <poison--> yes
[09:56] <poison--> i even did smbpasswd -ae
[09:56] <poison--> :(
[09:57] <poison--> tried root axx, and the regular user
[09:57] <poison--> nutin
[09:57] <poison--> hate smb
[09:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[09:57] <esper] > cha
[09:57] <eagles0513875> im hating ntfs atm
[09:57] <paolo> hi. i'm trying to connect to the web with a wi-fi usb nic (Bus 003 Device 004: ID 2001:3a02 D-Link Corp.)  . it seems correctly installed, and wireless assistants automatically detects the wi-fi network SSID. unfortunately, when i insert the WEP key, it tries to connect, but without results... what should I do ? thnks
[09:57] <esper] > and restarted the samba service?
[09:57] <tzanger> is anyone else having trouble with the skype client?  It starts up but just hangs
[09:57] <poison--> nfts is other pain
[09:57] <poison--> lmao
[09:57] <poison--> several times
[09:57] <esper] > gotta ask :)
[09:57] <poison--> thing is dat i can axx windows trough samba
[09:57] <esper] > its too habitual, i work a hel pdesk
[09:57] <hitmanWilly> tzanger: you mean the skype spyware app?
[09:57] <poison--> cant do the other way tho
[09:58] <grul> paolo, did you try without any encryption?
[09:58] <tzanger> hitmanWilly: heh I suppose so yes
[09:58] <michael__> can someone help me witha  wireless problem
[09:58] <paolo> grul, yes
[09:58] <grul> and it worked?
[09:58] <eagles0513875> poison--: lol my problem is this i just got this laptop drive and case for the drive and formatted it in ntfs cuz i wanted to get some programs that i use here at work but for some reason now that im in linux and its usb it wont mount it or anything i cant if add ntfs2g support in the fstab
[09:58] <paolo> grul: no
[09:58] <eagles0513875> ntfs3g*
[09:58] <hitmanWilly> tzanger: sorry, don't know anything skype specific
[09:59] <sebbz> lollerz
[09:59] <grul> paolo, weird
[09:59] <michael__> for  soem reason, KNetworkManager doesn't open up at every startup, so when i do open it, my wireless card isn't there, even though my ipw3945 shows in the proc mnager, usually after a few reboots knetworkmanager shows up and lets me use wireless, but it hasnt been and ive been wanting to solvethis., any ideas?
[09:59] <michael__> my ethernet connection always works though
[09:59] <esper] > dmenu + xmonad have to be one of the best things ever
[09:59] <cpk1> !lock
[09:59] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: there's a - in there, ie ntfs-3g
[09:59] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lock - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[09:59] <eagles0513875> i know
[09:59] <eagles0513875> lol im too lazy to type it lol
[09:59] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: ok, just making sure
[09:59] <poison--> eagle, had same issues here
[10:00] <poison--> reinstalled kubuntu :D
[10:00] <eagles0513875> poison--: what u do i dont wanna have to go into winblows
[10:00] <poison--> worked fine after
[10:00] <paolo> grul: with the assistant i can see: ESSID, channel (11) linkquality(optimum) and the AP
[10:00] <eagles0513875> poison--: i plan on doing the same thing only problem is im testing gutsy 6t4bit lol
[10:00] <poison--> <eagles0513875, im migrating all my stuff
[10:00] <eagles0513875> and 2ndly i need to back up all my stuff to this drive
[10:00] <poison--> need to axx it to grab all my stuff
[10:00] <poison--> think im gonna do ti trough ftp
[10:00] <cpk1> whats the command to use if adept is locked?
[10:00] <poison--> lol
[10:00] <eagles0513875> imtrying to do that but i guess im goign to have to go into winblows which i dont fuckin wanna do
[10:00] <eagles0513875> sry for the language
[10:01] <hitmanWilly> !aptfix | cpk1
[10:01] <eagles0513875> what i could do is use my server at home but im to lazy to setup samba
[10:01] <paolo> how can i see which error occours while trying to connect?
[10:01] <ubotu> cpk1: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:01] <cpk1> thanks
[10:02] <hitmanWilly> paolo: try with iwconfig in konsole
[10:02] <hitmanWilly> paolo: that will give you much more verbose output
[10:03] <paolo> hitmanWilly: in addition to the wep key, i have also a wpa key (given by the provider)... is there a way to use it?
[10:04] <hitmanWilly> paolo: research wpasupplicant
[10:04] <hitmanWilly> !info wpasupplicant
[10:04] <ubotu> wpasupplicant: Client support for WPA and WPA2 (IEEE 802.11i). In component main, is important. Version 0.5.7-0ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 251 kB, installed size 640 kB
[10:05] <hitmanWilly> paolo: that pkg adds wpa support to buntu
[10:05] <paolo> hitmanWilly: i already have wpa_supplicant
[10:05] <hitmanWilly> paolo: you should be able to use wpa keys then
[10:05] <esper] > wow ntfs3g works straight out
[10:05] <esper] > impressive
[10:06] <hitmanWilly> esper] : its gotten better over the years
[10:06] <paolo> hitmanWilly: so i have to use this utility and insert the wpa key with it, manually?
[10:06] <hitmanWilly> paolo: not really sure, haven't used wifi in a while
[10:07] <paolo> hitmanWilly: ok, thnks for your help
[10:07] <hitmanWilly> paolo: and when i did, i handled all my access via mac filtering
[10:08] <esper] > it feels so wrong using regedit in nix
[10:08] <esper] > i feel dirty :(
[10:08] <jon__> can someone help me with my wireless card?
[10:08] <hitmanWilly> esper] : heh, had to do it for WoW myself...lol
[10:09] <poison--> sup jon__
[10:09] <esper] > heh yeah
[10:09] <poison--> hey Jimmy
[10:09] <JimmyDee> hola boys
[10:09] <eagles0513875> hitmanWilly: u using wine
[10:09] <esper] > im doing the regedit before i try running wow since i have an ati card
[10:09] <poison--> hola signor
[10:09] <JimmyDee> and gurls
[10:09] <poison--> :D
[10:09] <esper] > need all the help i can get lol
[10:09] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: yup
[10:09] <emilsedgh> jon__: just ask!
[10:09] <eagles0513875> what kinda fps u get hit
[10:09] <JimmyDee> I have an evil ati card too, its giving me compizfits
[10:10] <eagles0513875> same here an ati radeon xpress 200m lol
[10:10] <hitmanWilly> esper] : i've found the best way to do it is to use a completely seperate X session
[10:10] <eagles0513875> i can get wine to work on here but with really crappy fps
[10:10] <esper] > how do you switch inbetween them?
[10:10] <hitmanWilly> eagles0513875: that's the problem with ati drivers
[10:10] <jon__> can you guys check out my pastebin and see if you know what im doing wrong?
[10:10] <jon__> http://pastebin.ca/702346
[10:10] <jon__> i installed ndiswrapper and the xp  driver for my card
[10:10] <Doctor_Nick> is there anyway to upgrade alsa through the package manager
[10:10] <hitmanWilly> esper] : hold on, let me paste the startup script i use for WoW...
[10:10] <eagles0513875> hitmanWilly:
[10:11] <eagles0513875> hitmanWilly: what kinda problems
[10:11] <jon__> the wireless network shows up, but isnt working
[10:11] <eagles0513875> opengl
[10:11] <Doctor_Nick> i need to update to 1.0.14
[10:11] <hitmanWilly> esper] : http://rafb.net/p/Y1QuoW52.html
[10:12] <esper] > eagles0513875: ati drivers are generally crap on the linux side
[10:12] <esper] > ah cool thanks
[10:12] <hitmanWilly> esper] : at least in their current incarnation
[10:12] <poison--> starting to hate gFTP too
[10:12] <poison--> bah
[10:12] <JimmyDee> one word on ATI drivers. envy
[10:12] <eagles0513875> esper] : not as of recently they r boasting now u can get a 50-90% performance gain
[10:12] <eagles0513875> i hate ati to be honest lol
[10:12] <hitmanWilly> esper] : you'll have to edit that a little, but it should work more or less
[10:12] <esper] > yah my wow is on an ntfs partition
[10:13] <esper] > i used to run it from there in the past with gentoo
[10:13] <JimmyDee> esper] : have you tried envy?
[10:13] <poison--> just a sec jon__
[10:13] <esper] > yah i have my ati drivers installed and working
[10:13] <esper] > this is my first attempt to run wow
[10:13] <JimmyDee> oh coolio
[10:13] <eagles0513875> i have a good wiki that will make it easy for me
[10:13] <hitmanWilly> esper] : i run wow exclusively on my gentoo machine...64 bit too, lol
[10:13] <eagles0513875> lol i would be running it on this one if i could get better fram rates
[10:13] <esper] > im tired of compiling shit
[10:13] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:13] <JimmyDee> I'm an eve online guy myself, it rocks on cedega
[10:13] <esper] > its the only reason i left gentoo
[10:13] <eagles0513875> esper] : what u end up compiling
[10:14] <esper] > eve is the shit jimmy
[10:14] <poison--> jon__ whats the card brand?
[10:14] <stdin> esper] : watch the language in here
[10:14] <poison--> do a lspci and show me
[10:14] <esper] > eagles0513875: everything
[10:14] <esper] > eagles0513875: gentoo is a source based distro
[10:14] <poison--> envy rocks
[10:14] <hitmanWilly> esper] : heh, i hear ya, but i like everything else with it
[10:14] <LjL> !language | esper] 
[10:14] <ubotu> esper] : Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[10:14] <jon__> poison-- atheros ar5007eg
[10:14] <jon__> not yet supported by madwifi
[10:14] <esper] > ubotu: sorry about that, i'll be more careful with my language
[10:14] <eagles0513875> ahh
[10:14] <hitmanWilly> esper] : well, not everything...nvidia-drivers for example...lol
[10:14] <eagles0513875> esper] : ubotu is a bot lol
[10:15] <poison--> sweet
[10:15] <poison--> atheros is easy buddie
[10:15] <esper] > eagles0513875: lol yah i see that :)
[10:15] <poison--> but i dont see it in the paste mate
[10:15] <JimmyDee> stdin you do anything with compiz?
[10:15] <jon__> do you want me to send you the lspci?
[10:15] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:15] <stdin> JimmyDee: not really
[10:15] <JimmyDee> good for you, better that way actually
[10:16] <poison--> yes jon__
[10:16] <poison--> did u tried madwifi?
[10:16] <esper] > hitmanWilly: how do you switch between your 2 X sessions?
[10:17] <hitmanWilly> esper] : same way as terminals...except it starts on f7 and f8
[10:17] <jon__> poison-- http://pastebin.ca/702356
[10:17] <esper] > cool beans
[10:17] <esper] > i've never run more than 1 x session before lol
[10:17] <esper] > never had the need with 2 monitors
[10:17] <jon__> poison-- from what ive dug around and found madwifi doesnt support the 5007 yet, just up to the 5006
[10:17] <hitmanWilly> esper] : yeah, that way wow gets a whole session to iteself, so no resource fights
[10:18] <fiyawerx> wow, gutsy is nice
[10:18] <poison--> humm
[10:18] <fiyawerx> already I'm liking it a lot better, and it just booted :)
[10:18] <esper] > hitmanWilly: aye it should run much smoother
[10:18] <esper] > afk a sec while i make sure it even loads normally lol
[10:18] <hitmanWilly> esper] : heh, you can even run it from a terminal that way
[10:18] <poison--> jon_ u used ndiswrapper than?
[10:19] <hitmanWilly> esper] : since it starts its own x session
[10:19] <JimmyDee> I'm waiting for horny Hampster myself
[10:19] <poison--> horny rules
[10:19] <poison--> ;D
[10:19] <jon__> poison-- yes i have ndiswrapper
[10:19] <junkeR> has anyone gotten their HP PSC all-in-one's card reader to work in Kubuntu?
[10:19] <gary> hi, just installed nvidia-glx-legacy, edited xorg with "nvidia", removed "dri", restarted X and now my max resolution is 800x600
[10:19] <poison--> 1.47?
[10:19] <jon__> yep
[10:19] <poison--> dont think it installed the rite way
[10:19] <jon__> how can i fix it?
[10:19] <coreymon77> hi guys
[10:19] <coreymon77> i want to connect to my linux box from my macbook
[10:19] <hitmanWilly> junkeR: is that the sorta pcmcia card thing that some hp's have?
[10:19] <coreymon77> what do i have to do on kubuntu to set that up?
[10:20] <JimmyDee> define connect corey?
[10:20] <hitmanWilly> junkeR: or a mem stick reader?
[10:20] <JimmyDee> rdp? ftp?
[10:20] <coreymon77> JimmyDee: i want to get some files from it
[10:20] <JimmyDee> sudo apt-get install proftpd
[10:21] <hitmanWilly> coreymon77: i THINK macs use regular nfs
[10:21] <JimmyDee> then just ftp to the linux box ip addy
[10:21] <junkeR> well it's a USB printer with a SD,CF,MM card reader built into the printer..          The printer data, scan data, and card reader all go through the one USB cable
[10:22] <hitmanWilly> junkeR: hmm, try it as a sd<x> mount
[10:23] <junkeR> enter that in the terminal ..or?
[10:23] <esper] > i hope someone finds a way to get hellgate: london to work on linux
[10:24] <esper] > if they do i can rid myself of windows completely on this box
[10:24] <[nrx] > can anyone suggest a reason why when i enable the ati restricted driver, KDE seems to not like logging out/shutting down and just hangs on a blank screen?
[10:24] <aaakkjh> !codecs
[10:24] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[10:24] <poison--> jon__  do a  ndiswrapper -v
[10:24] <poison--> and show me
[10:25] <hitmanWilly> esper] : games were my last holdout for windows machines...
[10:25] <gary> i just installed nvidia-glx-legacy and my max resolution is now capped at 800x600.
[10:25] <esper] > ditto
[10:25] <esper] > though im glad that im weaning off them
[10:25] <coreymon> JimmyDee: okay, i installed that program and when i tried to run it i got this error
[10:25] <esper] > btw, is there a command i can use to see what res my screen is running at?
[10:25] <junkeR> I installed the printer successfully using HPLIP toolbox.  I can print and scan but when I try to unload the SD card.. it's unable to mount, etc.
[10:25] <JimmyDee> gary: go to the terminal, type sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and play along with the prompts
[10:25] <gary> k i'll try that
[10:26] <hitmanWilly> esper] : but ut and id's stuff all have nix clients, plus wow works in wine, so i was finnally able to give it up...lol
[10:26] <fiyawerx> if i'm running gutsy tribe 5, if any newer versions come out, or final release, do you need to completely reinstall? or can you upgrade from ver to ver
[10:26] <hitmanWilly> esper] : although i do miss falcon 4.0 sometimes
[10:28] <jon__> jon@ubuntu:~$ ndiswrapper -v
[10:28] <jon__> utils version: '1.9', utils version needed by module: '1.9'
[10:28] <jon__> module details:
[10:28] <jon__> filename:       /lib/modules/2.6.20-16-generic/misc/ndiswrapper.ko
[10:28] <jon__> version:        1.47
[10:28] <jon__> vermagic:       2.6.20-16-generic SMP mod_unload 586
[10:28] <jon__> oops
[10:28] <jon__> sorry about that
[10:28] <hitmanWilly> !paste | jon__
[10:28] <poison--> SEEMS FINE
[10:28] <ubotu> jon__: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:28] <jon__> i didnt mean to do that
[10:28] <poison--> and u used your windows driver?
[10:28] <hitmanWilly> jon__: yeah, i'm just a little quick on the trigger
[10:29] <jon__> that was quick, dang
[10:29] <jon__> yes, i found one other people have used for the same card
[10:29] <hitmanWilly> jon__: we get so much of that in here, it's a reflex these days
[10:29] <poison--> just a sec
[10:29] <poison--> gonna send u a how2
[10:29] <jon__> i just checked my router settings, it was on WPA. im going to try WEP
[10:29] <jon__> k
[10:30] <shegman> hi. can anybody please tell me how to get my webcam working?
[10:30] <hitmanWilly> !webcam
[10:30] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[10:30] <poison--> sendin
[10:30] <gary> is it normal for xorg.conf to list my agp 8x video card in a PCI bus slot?
[10:30] <hitmanWilly> shegman: ^ ^
[10:31] <poison--> jon__ u getin it?
[10:31] <jetsaredim> is it possible to figure out why my kde4b2 install is so messed up?
[10:31] <hitmanWilly> gary: hmm, don't know, went straight from pci to pci-e
[10:31] <jon__> poison-- no i didnt see anything
[10:31] <poison--> damn
[10:31] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: not if thats all the information you give
[10:31] <NickPresta> jetsaredim, if you explain your problem in greater detail, I'm sure :)
[10:31] <jetsaredim> my panel is all messed up
[10:31] <dappermuis> erm, coz the kde4 beta2 packages are messed up
[10:31] <shegman> i did all that. but that programs are searching for /dev/video0 that doesn't exist
[10:31] <dappermuis> not much you can do with it
[10:31] <jetsaredim> and the desktop is rather screwed too
[10:31] <hitmanWilly> gary: does it work?
[10:32] <jetsaredim> try to add anything to the panel and it just refuses
[10:32] <NeoFax> NE1 know how to add a user to a group and apply that group w/o restarting X?
[10:32] <jon__> poison-- its going, nm
[10:32] <jetsaredim> the menus are all messed too
[10:32] <gary> it works, but resolution is capped low at 800x600, and vsync and hsync is read (out of range) in logs
[10:32] <poison--> sweet
[10:32] <jon__> i didnt know you could send stuff like that, pretty cool
[10:32] <shegman> and everytime i try sudo MAKEDEV -v video it makes the dev in /dev/.static/dev and not in the correct directory
[10:32] <jetsaredim> NeoFax: you could open a terminal and then su to that user
[10:32] <hitmanWilly> gary: hmmm, maybe not then
[10:33] <hitmanWilly> gary: did you try changing the res in xorg.conf?
[10:33] <gary> hitmanWilly: it's got a lot to do with the nvidia-glx-legacy driver i just installed.  "nv" works with normal 1027x768 res
[10:33] <hitmanWilly> gary: or via kde?
[10:33] <gary> hitmanWilly: kde
[10:33] <jetsaredim> hydrogen NickPresta: maybe I can get a screenshot of the desktop so you can see how messed it is
[10:34] <hitmanWilly> gary: try adding it to xorg, see what happens
[10:34] <gary> hitmanWilly: i mean xorg.conf i edited nv with nvidia, got rid of dri
[10:34] <jetsaredim> any place where I can upload images like pastebin
[10:34] <NeoFax> jetsaredim: That didn't work
[10:34] <hitmanWilly> gary: ok...any modeline crap in there?
[10:34] <jetsaredim> how?
[10:34] <gary> hitmanWilly: there's depth line, then under it modes with a bunch of resolutions
[10:35] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: well, if it starts its /probably/ not messed up
[10:35] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: kde4's desktop is still in horribly bad shape
[10:35] <hitmanWilly> gary: actually, can you pastebin xorg.conf?
[10:35] <jetsaredim> hydrogen: yea - it loads - but its basically unusable
[10:35] <gary> hitmanWilly: how would i pastebin here?
[10:35] <jetsaredim> it looks nothing like any of the screenshots on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu#head-4e7c4194208c6723e28c04aa36c8d74e4cce5169 for example
[10:36] <hitmanWilly> !paste | gary
[10:36] <ubotu> gary: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:36] <gary> !paste | gary
[10:36] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: its changed a lot since then
[10:36] <hitmanWilly> gary: or use rafb.net or something similar
[10:36] <stdin> gary: no. see what ubotu said
[10:36] <gary> just did sry
[10:37] <jetsaredim> hydrogen: no i mean - none of the elements show up - the panel is completely fuxed
[10:37] <hitmanWilly> the ! cmds are keys for the bot
[10:37] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: right, the panel is in horrible shape
[10:37] <hydrogen> its working as intended
[10:37] <jetsaredim> hydrogen: so its gotten worse?
[10:38] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: kicker is being replaced by a plasmoid
[10:38] <hydrogen> jetsaredim: the plasmoid hasn't been finished
[10:38] <jetsaredim> nice
[10:39] <gary> hitmanWilly: just posted at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37832/
[10:41] <hitmanWilly> gary: ok, what about under the vid card "Device" section
[10:42] <gary> hitmanWilly: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37834/
[10:42] <gary> just reposted new one
[10:44] <hitmanWilly> gary: is the 5200 a legacy card?
[10:44] <hitmanWilly> gary: it may be under just regular nvidia-glx
[10:44] <gary> hitmanWilly: x doesn't start under nvidia-glx
[10:45] <gary> hitmanWilly: i tried for days until i came across the legacy one with and its kernel
[10:45] <hitmanWilly> gary: hmmm, weird
[10:45] <hitmanWilly> gary: but from what i see, xorg.conf looks fine
[10:45] <gary> hitmanWilly: should i post up the /var/log/xorg.0.log?
[10:46] <jaguilera> hello
[10:46] <jaguilera> anybody knows how to get qt 4.3 from repositories?
[10:46] <gary> hitmanWilly: there's a lot going on with vrefresh and hsync being out of range and not using default mode
[10:46] <jaguilera> feisty
[10:46] <hitmanWilly> gary: ok, try something right quick...comment out the pci busid
[10:47] <hitmanWilly> gary: i don't think you need that, and that may be where the problem is
[10:47] <gary> k just commented it out
[10:48] <Doctor_Nick> whats a good audio recorder besides audacity that supports alsa
[10:48] <gary> do i have to add AGP or something along those lines?
[10:48] <hitmanWilly> gary: i don't have anything in mine
[10:48] <gary> k i'll restart x.. hope this works.
[10:48] <hitmanWilly> gary: if it doesn't, just uncomment it via nano
[10:48] <fiyawerx> phew, 400 megs of updates after installing gutsy tribe 5
[10:49] <gary> thx for takin the time helping me out
[10:49] <Bizzeh> is it possible to install kubuntu on a drive that has windows taking the entire drive (ie, can kubuntu installer resize ntfs) and can i tell ubuntu to NOT install a bootloader?
[10:49] <fiyawerx> Bizzeh: yes to resizing, unsure about bootloader, i would think no, but it automaticlaly detects windows installs and adds them
[10:49] <stdin> Bizzeh: probably with the alternate cd yes
[10:49] <Bizzeh> my hdd already has grub in the mbr
[10:50] <fiyawerx> not sure how ubu will treat that, i had grub installed from another install and this overwrote it, but it still added everything
[10:50] <stdin> or just install grub to the partition (rather than the disk)
[10:50] <fiyawerx> also, the first time you boot windows it'll panic at having a different size than its used to and run some scans
[10:51] <fiyawerx> i use the livecd to resize partitions for other reasons too now and then
[10:57] <Ax-Ax> which is the best calculator for kubuntu?
[10:58] <junkeR> isn't the one included good enough?
[10:58] <LjL> Ax-Ax: i recomment Qalculate
[10:58] <LjL> !info qalculate-kde
[10:58] <ubotu> qalculate-kde: Powerful and easy to use desktop calculator - KDE version. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.4-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 1172 kB, installed size 2516 kB
[10:58] <LjL> junkeR: mwahahaha. it's not even a KDE application
[10:58] <junkeR> speedcrunch?
[10:58] <LjL> yeah
[10:58] <LjL> it's a Qt app
[10:58] <LjL> it's not a KDE app
[10:59] <LjL> if you for instance have a desktop-wide menubar, like i do, speedcrunch won't show up correctly in there
[11:00] <junkeR> is your desktop-wide menubar similar to something like OS X has?
[11:01] <LjL> junkeR: yeah... it's a standard KDE feature, just disabled by default. right click on desktop -> behavior -> menu bar at the top of screen
[11:01] <LjL> and since it can act as a kicker panel, it's the only panel i have
[11:02] <LjL> but of course it only works with proper KDE applications
[11:03] <LjL> anyway, qalculate is almost a computer algebra system, so far superior in power to speedcrunch... but i also find its interface elegant enough to use as an everyday desktop calculator
[11:05] <junkeR> I was thinking it was like that doc bar in OSX, sorta like XFCE used to have
[11:13] <shegman> !udev
[11:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about udev - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[11:15] <shegman> howto make /dev/video0 if udev prevents it and creates it in /dev/.static/dev/
[11:16] <stdin> you don't generally, udev makes it when the module/device is loaded
[11:16] <gary> it appears i'm not alone with a problem with resolutions... https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto#head-aebd81e5fe762bccb1b7e4d7a10ed7a1276aa634
[11:17] <shegman> yeah. but it doesn't notices my webcam
[11:18] <stdin> try "sudo modprobe gspca" then
[11:18] <shegman> when i connect my webcam udevmonitor --environment shows something, but noch /dev/video0 gets created
[11:19] <shegman> what was that for? it says it can't find it
[11:19] <stdin> gspca is the driver for most "generic" webcams
[11:20] <shegman> in the kernel?
[11:20] <stdin> yeah
[11:21] <Doctor_Nick> the blacklist file in modprobe.d prevents modules from being loaded, right?
[11:21] <scheater5> This may not be the place to ask, but I got no response in #ubuntu-mobile so,
[11:21] <scheater5> Does anyone know anything about Archos brand media players?
[11:21] <stdin> Doctor_Nick: stops them from being automatically loaded
[11:22] <Doctor_Nick> ok
[11:22] <uga> hi guys, I am in deep XP trouble ;) can't get the kubuntu install CDs nor any previous live CD I had to boot. The error is something about not being able to access tty. Any idea?
[11:22] <Doctor_Nick> how do i get the kernel to reload all the modules after i've commented out the line i want
[11:22] <Doctor_Nick> modprobe something something...
[11:23] <uga> interestingly, all previous live CDs complain that they cannot access the cd-rom... but... it's booting from CD!
[11:23] <fiyawerx> hey guys, my network connection doesn't seem to be resolving any dns, even tho its showing in the network manager
[11:23] <Bizzeh> uga: why are you automaticaly blaiming xp?
[11:23] <uga> also XP installed just fine and the bios doesn't complain...
[11:23] <fiyawerx> what file has the dns servers again.. can't seem to recall it
[11:23] <uga> Bizzeh, XP trouble== I had to install XP to run something ;)
[11:23] <Bizzeh> thats not trouble, thats being saved
[11:24] <uga> Bizzeh, I haven't let windows touch my boxes for the last 5 years or so
[11:24] <uga> this is like suicide :P
[11:25] <Bizzeh> why? i havnt had a problem with xp, ever, and im using it for about 18 hours a day, 7 days a week, on about 15 different machines
[11:25] <uga> Bizzeh, cus I really don't want to run it, heh. Else .. .I wonder if I joined the wrong channel, hehe
[11:25] <Bizzeh> i have had more problems with linux distros in 1 day, than i have had with a life time of using windows
[11:26] <uga> so anybody had this issue about tty errors?
[11:26] <hitmanWilly> Bizzeh: yeah, but some of us don't like our machines phoning home, or paying to "rent" software
[11:26] <Bizzeh> the gpl forbids you from doing just as much
[11:26] <Bizzeh> and apt sends in MORE data than wga does
[11:27] <fiyawerx> hm, anyone know what would cause name resolution to stop working?
[11:27] <Bizzeh> wga sends NO data that can be used to ID a computer or a user... apt does
[11:27] <hitmanWilly> Bizzeh: but i don't HAVE to use apt if i don't want to
[11:27] <stdin> Bizzeh: and what data does apt "send" ?
[11:27] <fiyawerx> etc/resolv.conf still has my right nameservers
[11:27] <Bizzeh> cpuid, install date, and a few bits
[11:27] <uga> oh, the issue is known http://www.utheguru.com/solution-ubuntu-linux-binsh-cant-access-tty-job-control-mode-off-error
[11:28] <hitmanWilly> Bizzeh: plus, they SAY that wga doesn't send any data that can be used to id a user, but how do we know?
[11:28] <stdin> Bizzeh: and you know this how ?
[11:28] <Bizzeh> hitmanWilly: because people have sniffed their network while wga is running
[11:28] <Bizzeh> and they KNOW what data is sent
[11:28] <stdin> Bizzeh: and to where does apt send this ?
[11:29] <Bizzeh> whatever servers it gets stuff from
[11:29] <Bizzeh> anyway
[11:29] <stdin> no, apt sends nothing, at all
[11:29] <Bizzeh> im not going to get into this with people who are just reading up stuff on blogs and beliving all the bullshit they are told
[11:29] <Bizzeh> typical linux sheep
[11:29] <Bizzeh> do no real research into anything
[11:29] <stdin> I read nothing, except the source
[11:29] <Bizzeh> and read 1 blog, and then its set in stone
[11:29] <uga> anyone knows if the alternate isos really fix the problem?
[11:30] <Bizzeh> all open source communities are all the same
[11:30] <uga> and anyone can point to a free cd recorder for windows? =)
[11:30] <Bizzeh> more closed minded than anyone else
[11:30] <Bizzeh> claim to be all about freedom
[11:30] <Bizzeh> but are total closed minded comunists
[11:30] <uga> Bizzeh, this isn't the channel to discuss your freedom. It's to discuss kubuntu
[11:30] <stdin> anyway, this is too offtopic, end conversation
[11:31] <hitmanWilly> Bizzeh: ok, whatever, but some of us don't choose to run windows (like me), so don't come into an open source channel and start trolling about how we are all commies
[11:31] <Doctor_Nick> oh, i see
[11:31] <Doctor_Nick> blacklist-oss prevents the oss drivers from loading so the alsa drivers can load
[11:31] <uga> now anyone can help me out? ;)
[11:31] <Doctor_Nick> silly me
[11:31] <Doctor_Nick> hahaha
[11:31] <Doctor_Nick> he actually said "sheep"
[11:33] <uga> uhmpf, I hope I'm not wasting my time by downloading the alternate CD. It'll take more than half an hour and it's almost midnight
[11:33] <hitmanWilly> ok, sorry for the offtopic folks, but that commie line just drives me up a wall some times
[11:33] <ScorpKing> :D soz
[11:33] <uga> nobody had this issue on new boxes?
[11:34] <Doctor_Nick> hitmanWilly: who cares? It's some guy on the internet
[11:34] <keith> !ask | uga
[11:34] <ubotu> uga: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[11:34] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: yeah, i know, I just hate that commie crap (im libertarian, btw)
[11:35] <uga> keith, I asked before, but nobody seemed to know
[11:35] <uga> when running the installer CD, I get an error saying it cannot access tty
[11:35] <uga> and goes to some default ash terminal
[11:35] <waylandbill> all I think of when I see 'Doctor Nick' is the quack from 'The Simpsons' (no offense Doctor_Nick)  :
[11:35] <waylandbill> :)
[11:36] <uga> when checking live CDs from earlier distros, the effect seems to be that the os cannot find the DVD drive
[11:36] <Doctor_Nick> he died in the simpsons movie =(
[11:36] <uga> which is strange, since it's booting from it
[11:36] <keith> oh sorry uga hopefully the alternate install will help you out.  go take a thirty minute nap whilst it downloads and then see what you come up with.
[11:36] <hitmanWilly> aw crap, i was gonna see that too...
[11:36] <uga> keith, cheers :(
[11:36] <waylandbill> was the simpsons movie good? I didn't see it.
[11:36] <Doctor_Nick> it sucks as much as the last seasons did
[11:36] <stdin> !ot | waylandbill, Doctor_Nick
[11:36] <ubotu> waylandbill, Doctor_Nick: #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[11:37] <waylandbill> stdin: no worries. That was the end of the off-topic. :)
[11:38] <keith> Has anyone gotten one of the Dell Laptops with kubuntu installed on it from the get go?  If so how is it working for you?
[11:40] <waylandbill> keith: they offer kubuntu? I thought it was just ubuntu. Cool.
[11:41] <uga> oh, I hope this works http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg432488.html
[11:41] <keith> Waylandbill I was under the impression that they offered both desktops
[11:41] <uga> if it works, can anyone add this to a FAQ on the bot? =)
[11:41] <keith> waylandbill I should perhaps say window managers
[11:42] <gary> hitmanWilly: woot, i figured out the problem about resolution
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> gary: do tell :)
[11:42] <hitmanWilly> gary: default hsync and vsync out of whack?
[11:43] <uga> lets see... cya guys, rebooting. Wish me (good) luck
[11:43] <gary> just had to go to xorg.conf and add hsync and vsync under monitor
[11:43] <keith> good luck uga
[11:43] <hitmanWilly> gary: that's what i figured it might be
[11:44] <hitmanWilly> woot, pizza just got here
[11:46] <yetis> dncem
[11:46] <waylandbill> keith: you're right saying desktop as we're talking about two DE's. Doesn't matter really as you can easily turn ubuntu into kubuntu. Having it preloaded would be a great idea IMO.
[11:47] <stdin> yetis: #ubuntu-tr
[11:47] <keith> speaking of desktops is beryl ready for those of us who are less that gurus
[11:47] <keith> s/that/than
[11:48] <scheater5> keith: it's long been ready for use for less than gurus in one sense, but in another it's not fit for anyone.  That is, it's still beta.  It's still buggy, but relatively easy to use.
[11:48] <hitmanWilly> keith: beryl is dead...its compiz-fusion now
[11:49] <scheater5> keith: hitmanWilly beat me to my next point.
[11:50] <keith> lets see I have tried gnome, kde, xwin, and fluxbox, are there any others to try?
[11:51] <usuario> ole
[11:51] <keith> So far I like kde the best and have a respect for fluxbox when I want to do something light.
[11:51] <hitmanWilly> keith: a butt load...windowmaker, blackbox, afterstep, evilwm, openbox, etc...
[11:52] <fiyawerx> anyone running kde4?
[11:52] <keith> can I apt-get install them all hitmanwilly?
[11:52] <hitmanWilly> keith: i think all of those are under the repos
[11:53] <hitmanWilly> keith: there's another major one i'm missing, but i can't think of it off the top of my head
[11:55] <hitmanWilly> keith: ok, there's also fvwm and icewm
[11:55] <Ahmuck> i am hoping someone could tell me what is going on.  upon initial install of kubuntu i can use the tbird/webdav/hotmail combo or evolution/hotway combo to simulate a pop3 server locally, but retrieve hotmail via the inet and download messages to my local server.  after installing apache2 however, i get
[11:55] <Ahmuck> [16:10]  <Ahmuck> Error while performing operation.
[11:55] <Ahmuck> [16:10]  <Ahmuck> Could not connect to 127.0.0.1: Connection refused
[11:56] <Ahmuck> so, i assume that apache2 is setting something up that is disallowing 127.0.0.1 or localhost from bieng used by either combo
[11:56] <Ahmuck> any ideas?
[11:57] <[MarTini] > Buenas noches
[11:59] <keith> hitmanwilly I am going to try them all.  windowmaker doesn't seem to be in the repos
[11:59] <hitmanWilly> keith: it might be under wmaker
[11:59] <andrelagoa> hello
[12:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> !windowmaker
[12:00] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmaker - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[12:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> !find windowmaker
[12:00] <ubotu> Package/file windowmaker does not exist in feisty
[12:00] <andrelagoa> bye
[12:00] <Daisuke_Laptop> !search windowmaker
[12:00] <ubotu> Found: desktops, desktop
[12:00] <hitmanWilly> !info wmaker
[12:00] <ubotu> wmaker: NeXTSTEP-like window manager for X. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.92.0-6.1 (feisty), package size 2355 kB, installed size 6280 kB
[12:01] <fiyawerx> !kde4
[12:01] <ubotu> KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information see <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4>. The Release Schedule is available at http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.0_Release_Schedule. Beta 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-beta2.php
[12:02] <keith> htimanwilly wmaker did it thanks.  I now have a machine with so many DE's my head will spin.
[12:02] <Daisuke_Laptop> and the purpose of such a machine is?
[12:03] <eder> hi to everyone
[12:03] <eder> i need help with a Printer Sharp AM900
[12:03] <eder> how can i configure it?
[12:03] <eder> there is no driver for the model?
[12:04] <Doctor_Nick> ok
[12:04] <Daisuke_Laptop> if there's no driver...
[12:04] <Doctor_Nick> any alsa gurus in here?
[12:04] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: what's the problem?
[12:04] <eder> Daisuke_Nick what to do in that case?
[12:05] <scheater5> Does anyone know anything about archos brand media players?
[12:05] <Doctor_Nick> hitmanWilly: arecord tells me that its pointing to the wrong capture device
[12:05] <Doctor_Nick> i need to change it somehow
[12:05] <Doctor_Nick> Slave: Hardware PCM card 1 'Audigy 2 ZS Notebook [SB0530] ' device 0 subdevice 0  <- i need to point to device 1 on that card, not device 0
[12:06] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: hmmm...hold on a sec...let me check something
[12:07] <Doctor_Nick> hitmanWilly: here's the output of arecord -l: http://pastebin.ca/702523
[12:08] <BluesKaj> Doctor_Nick, maybe this will help ,in the konsole : sudo asoundconf list , then : sudo asoundconf set-default-card "name of soundcard"
[12:08] <Doctor_Nick> done that
[12:08] <Doctor_Nick> several times :P
[12:11] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: try arecord with the -D option
[12:11] <Doctor_Nick> what should go in -D?
[12:11] <pcsmasher> nick dtidd1
[12:11] <Doctor_Nick> ?
[12:11] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: as in arecord -D=<name_of_card>
[12:11] <stdin> !nickspam | dtidd1
[12:11] <ubotu> dtidd1: You should avoid changing your nick in a busy channel like #ubuntu - it causes unrequired scrolling which is unfair on new users. The same goes for using noisy away messages : use the command "/away <reason>" to set your client away silently - See also !Guidelines
[12:12] <dtidd1> sorry, I didn't know this.  I thought the scrolling was only here on my screen. I'm really new at this IRC stuff so I will go elsewhere (another channel) to figure this out.
[12:13] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: or arecord --device=<name_of_device>
[12:13] <jhutchins> Intelligent users merely filter the join/part/nick messages and aren't bothered by it.
[12:13] <jhutchins> Does fill up the logs though.
[12:13] <Doctor_Nick> hitmanWilly: it's not taking anything i put in there
[12:14] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: hmmm....hold on
[12:15] <hitmanWilly> Doctor_Nick: have you tried alsaconf?
[12:15] <jhutchins> Doctor_Nick: "it's not taking" not very informative.  Tell us what DOES happen.
[12:15] <Doctor_Nick> ALSA lib pcm.c:2144:(snd_pcm_open_noupdate) Unknown PCM Audigy2
[12:15] <Doctor_Nick> arecord: main:545: audio open error: No such file or directory
[12:15] <Doctor_Nick> and so on for every combination i try
[12:15] <Doctor_Nick> hitmanWilly: what package is alsaconf in?
[12:16] <Doctor_Nick> i dont seem to have it installed
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> !find alsaconf
[12:16] <ubotu> Package/file alsaconf does not exist in feisty
[12:16] <hitmanWilly> wtf...
[12:17] <stdin> maybe you mean alsactl ?
[12:17] <scheater5> Anyone know what processor Archos uses in it's media players?
[12:18] <stdin> scheater5: look it up on wikipedia, if it's anywhere it's there
[12:18] <hitmanWilly> stdin: yeah, that might be it...
[12:20] <scheater5> stdin: nothing.  Just checked to make sure.  The whole architecture seems to be very hush-hush.
[12:21] <dthacker-lt> scheater5: time to get out the screwdriver.  muwahahaha
[12:21] <Doctor_Nick> so open one up and take a look
[12:21] <stdin> it's probably some type of arm, but that's a guess
[12:21] <scheater5> dthacker-It: I don't have one  yet, I'm looking at buying one.  Alright, I'm almost certainly going to buy one - but only because it's the closest thing I can find to what I want.
[12:22] <hitmanWilly> anyway, bbl
[12:23] <scheater5> stdin: well, the last generation used some sort of TI processor - I read something about "Da Vinci" - but nothing seems written about the newest generation.
[12:24] <yumi> holas
[12:25] <yumi> hi all
[12:26] <eder> help me to configure the sharp
[12:26] <yumi> hi eder
[12:27] <dthacker-lt> eder: sharp what?
[12:27] <itrebal> I'm attempting to go to System Settings -> Printers -> Configure CUPS Server but it keeps aking for my root password, which, as you all should know, isn't set; I tried setting one, but it still doesn't like it
[12:27] <dthacker-lt> itrebal: use your password
[12:28] <itrebal> dthacker: it still tells me I'm not authorized
[12:30] <evri2> Some people say that kubuntu is slower then a decent kde distro.Is this true?
[12:31] <stdin> no, "some people" are wrong
[12:31] <ScorpKing> itrebal: http://www.cups.org/articles.php?L237+I10+TMine+P1+Q
[12:32] <scheater5> evri2: eh, it's a bit bloated.  Definitely slower than a well-configured Gentoo running KDE, but on my hardware Kubuntu is faster that Sabayon or SuSE out of the box.
[12:32] <stdin> Fact: many (many, many) KDE devs use kubuntu
[12:33] <Minataku> Well, Gentoo is always going to have the benefit of performance gains
[12:33] <Minataku> Both individual program and total system
[12:34] <Doctor_Nick> the time it takes to compile gentoo negate any performance gains :P
[12:34] <evri2> "those some people" are whining about kubuntu documentation.
[12:34] <evri2> also
[12:34] <itrebal> Doctor_Nick: not necissarily
[12:34] <evri2> :D
[12:34] <scheater5> Doctor_Nick: here here!  someone  finally says it.
[12:34] <Minataku> Doctor_Nick: Not at all
[12:34] <Doctor_Nick> Minataku: im joking
[12:35] <Minataku> Considering that compiles can be run with little detriment to overall performancew
[12:35] <itrebal> I've got a well-tuned system with more than 100 computers on my network all with distcc and ccache.. its blazing fast :D
[12:35] <stdin> documentation not good enough? it's a wiki, update it :p
[12:35] <Doctor_Nick> evri2: who are "some people"
[12:35] <Doctor_Nick> we'll come over and beat them up
[12:35] <uga> uhm... trying with gutsy CDs. ubuntu forums claim it should fix tty thing issues
[12:35] <evri2> beat up?LOL :D
[12:35] <uga> if it doesn't I'll revert back to gentoo
[12:35] <Minataku> Hm.
[12:36] <jan> test
[12:36] <uga> needing to use live CDs and having them not working isn't really useful
[12:36] <stdin> jan: test failed
[12:36] <uga> I'd rather have old style installs
[12:37] <lewix> hi
[12:37] <lewix> how cna i log out from the cmd line