[01:25] <ConstyXIV> what exactly does apparmor accomplish?
[01:26] <tanath> someone had a problem running gnome appearance... now i do to
[01:26] <ConstyXIV> is it a sort of "application jail" or something?
[01:27] <tanath> http://pastebin.ca/701278
[01:27] <_CitizenKane_> hi all, is there a good way to stop strigi from autostarting?
[01:29] <tanath> Sys > Prefs > Sessions
[01:30] <tanath> anyone have a problem running gnome appearance?
[01:30] <tanath> (who's up-to-date)
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> I am, but what is it? :p
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> System > Preferences > Appearance?
[01:31] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, run it from a terminal?
[01:31] <tanath> yeah
[01:31] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, you want to see if I get those same errors?
[01:31] <tanath> yeh
[01:31] <tanath> you completely up-to-date?
[01:32] <IntuitiveNipple> by the hour :p
[01:32] <tanath> lol
[01:32] <tanath> well, i just upgraded a few more things a several mins ago
[01:32] <IntuitiveNipple> well it starts okay, no signs if errors
[01:32] <DShepherd> ConstyXIV, kinda..
[01:32] <tanath> hrm
[01:32] <IntuitiveNipple> what version do you have?
[01:32] <tanath> was fine for me before, now broken
[01:33] <DShepherd> ConstyXIV, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AppArmor .. for more info
[01:33] <tanath> uh, i don't know
[01:33] <tanath> apt-cache doesn't seem to know about it...
[01:34] <IntuitiveNipple> I have gnome-control-center Version: 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu2
[01:34] <IntuitiveNipple> dpkg-query -s gnome-control-center
[01:34] <tanath> Version: 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3
[01:35] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh, you do have an update - not seen that yet
[01:35] <tanath> in that case, i recommend against it :P
[01:35] <tanath> now my terminal and my gnome-appearance are broken
[01:36] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh.. I think messing with the sources.list the other day seems to have affected the updater.  I just did a manual check and there's a bunch offered now
[01:37] <IntuitiveNipple> lol thanks for the warning :)
[01:37] <IntuitiveNipple> better post a bug pronto while you still can
[01:37] <tanath> heh
[01:37] <tanath> i'm poking around to see what else is broken
[01:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm offered 83MB of updates
[01:38] <IntuitiveNipple> kernel image updates, grr. That means loads of my customisations have to be pulled off and put back after!
[01:39] <IntuitiveNipple> I think that can wait until tomorrow!
[01:40] <tanath> anyone know how to use the 'nautilus actions' thingy?
[01:42] <IntuitiveNipple> actions?
[01:43] <tanath> Sys > Prefs > Nautilus Actions Configuration
[01:43] <tanath> meh. don't think i need it
[01:43] <IntuitiveNipple> oh... I don't have that
[01:44] <tanath> then, Sys > Prefs > Main Menu, first
[01:44] <darrend> does anyone have trouble with compiz and 3d games?  I get blank screens (at best) or more usually, xorg server crashes
[01:44] <darrend> if I kill compiz first, I can play the games ok
[01:44] <wfarr> anyone else have synaptic touchpad vertical scrolling stop working with the upgrade to xserver-xorg-input-synaptics
[01:45] <tanath> darrend, prolly better to turn it off, rather than kill it :P
[01:45] <tanath> darrend, there's a plugin in ccsm for workarounds. tried that?
[01:46] <IntuitiveNipple> nope, don't have it
[01:46] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: Using nvidia?
[01:46] <darrend> tanath: it's enabled, but i'd not looked at it before.. checking now
[01:46] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: yes
[01:47] <wfarr> can anyone else besides me confirm this: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics/+bug/140548 ?
[01:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140548 in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics "regression: touchpad special functions no longer function" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[01:47] <IntuitiveNipple> darrend: It sounds like you may be affected by the nvidia/xorg ABI problem that affects most 3D apps atm
[01:48] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: ok, i'll go look that one up, thx.
[01:49] <darrend> tanath: how do you turn it off w/o killing? (using xubuntu if it makes a difference)
[01:49] <IntuitiveNipple> I have the url here hang on
[01:49] <IntuitiveNipple> bug #130325
[01:49] <tanath> darrend, it might. in gnome you can go to Sys > Prefs > Adv Desktop Effects
[01:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[01:50] <darrend> IntuitiveNipple: thx, that seems to be it
[01:52] <tanath> darrend, actually, that's just ccsm... not the thing i was looking for...
[01:54] <LeeJunFan> anyone else having problems with the open ATI drivers on gutsy taking up 100% cpu?
[01:54] <IBG> after the last update i can't type in terminal anymore
[01:54] <yeager> are all terminals broken after the gnome 2.20.0 update?
[01:55] <IBG> well i have a broken terminal
[01:56] <DShepherd> boot
[01:56] <DShepherd> ooops
[01:56] <yeager> here a screenshot of gnome-terminal http://home.danielnylander.se/tmp/bugg2.png
[01:56] <yeager> well, i just wait for the next update
[01:58] <AmyRose> Darn, the upgrader isn't working
[02:03] <tanath> IBG, the text is just tiny ;)
[02:03] <IBG> :)
[02:04] <tanath> IBG, can you open gnome-appearance?
[02:04] <IBG> gnome-appearance-properties ?
[02:04] <tanath> i was gonna poke in there to change the default font, but i can't run it
[02:04] <tanath> yeh
[02:05] <IBG> i can open it
[02:05] <tanath> then you didn't upgrade very recently :)
[02:05] <ConstyXIV> is there any way to get the deskbar to hang from the panel like it used to?
[02:05] <tanath> consider yourself lucky
[02:05] <tanath> IBG, does playing with the fonts in there help?
[02:05] <IBG> but i can't close it
[02:05] <tanath> lol
[02:06] <tanath> i can't open it, and you can't close it :p
[02:06] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: gconf-editor  and /desktop/gnome/interface
[02:06] <tanath> Bad key or directory name: "and": Must begin with a slash (/)
[02:06] <tanath> :P
[02:07] <ConstyXIV> are today's updates broken or something?
[02:07] <tanath> yeh
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> no no no
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> open gconf-editor
[02:07] <tanath> i beg to differ :P
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> *then* navigate to that key
[02:07] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i realized that :P
[02:07] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[02:07] <ConstyXIV> what's wrong, so i know what to expect when it's finished?
[02:07] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, after i pasted without looking, of course :D
[02:08] <IntuitiveNipple> typical Ubuntu-er :p
[02:08] <tanath> terminal text is too tiny to see
[02:08] <ConstyXIV> oh, that's it?
[02:08] <tanath> gnome-appearance-properties won't open
[02:08] <tanath> xterm works though
[02:09] <davi_> I have downloaded an VMware image of GutsyGibbonTribe5
[02:09] <tanath> well, should be using monospace 10...
[02:09] <ConstyXIV> ubuntu being how it is, i really shouldn't need the terminal for a while anyways, and what i need i know by touch
[02:09] <davi_> The user is    ubuntu, and its password is ubuntu
[02:09] <davi_> But, what is the usual  root password?
[02:09] <tanath> use sudo
[02:09] <IBG> thx for the tip tanath
[02:09] <ConstyXIV> davi_: there is none, use sudo
[02:09] <IBG> ;)
[02:09] <d4rkmonkey> davi_ you don't need root password
[02:10] <ConstyXIV> davi_: it's The Ubuntu Way (TM)
[02:10] <davi_> thanks tanath ConstyXIV & d4rkmonkey
[02:10] <d4rkmonkey> lol
[02:10] <davi_> :)
[02:12] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, well, that didn't work
[02:12] <IntuitiveNipple> You sure it's not something caused by your fiddling?
[02:13] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, how would my fiddling affect everyone else's machines? :P
[02:13] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, and what fiddling might that be?
[02:13] <IntuitiveNipple> I get the sense you like messing with settings :)
[02:13] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i like customizing things :)
[02:14] <IntuitiveNipple> is that what you call it? lol
[02:14] <tanath> and learning
[02:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Which package do you think is broken - I could install just that update and see what happens
[02:14] <tanath> i'm usually pretty careful when i fiddle... :P
[02:14] <tanath> prolly gnome-terminal
[02:15] <tanath> xterm is fine, other fonts on the system are fine..
[02:15] <IntuitiveNipple> ok.
[02:15] <fulio> Hi, is anyone avaible to help me with my error please..
[02:15] <tanath> !ask
[02:15] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[02:16] <ConstyXIV> fulio: it's usually okay to just tell us your error outright
[02:16] <fulio> ok
[02:16] <IntuitiveNipple> what version have you got? I've got 2.18.1-1ubuntu2
[02:16] <fulio> well when i booted up my laptop i got an error with the gnome-settings-daemon "which lead to my icons changing back to the original and my appearance is ugly agn..
[02:17] <tanath> Version: 2.18.1-1ubuntu2
[02:17] <IntuitiveNipple> fulio: sounds like a dbus error, try restarting gnome with Ctrl+Alt+backspace
[02:17] <CydeSwype> fulio, there's a number of people having that problem after this morning's update, i think
[02:17] <fulio> i have done that.
[02:17] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: ok, so we have the same version, so something else then
[02:18] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, you don't have the problem?
[02:18] <jepler> for me, I think it was broken by one of these upgrades: http://pastebin.ca/701346
[02:18] <fulio> CydeSwype, so theres nothing i can do?
[02:18] <CydeSwype> i just did an update (108 packages!  yay!) so hopefully one of those fixes it
[02:18] <CydeSwype> fulio, look for another update
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: Have you tried editing the Default gnome-terminal profile from the Edit > Profiles menu?
[02:18] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, yep
[02:18] <fulio> CydeSwype, where can i find an update?
[02:18] <IntuitiveNipple> hmmm
[02:18] <tanath> that was the first thing i tried
[02:19] <CydeSwype> fulio; system->administration->update manager
[02:19] <tanath> actually, second. after the 'zooming' thing
[02:19] <IntuitiveNipple> ok... what font does it claim is in use currntly?
[02:19] <CydeSwype> tanath, this morning i had teeny tiny fonts.  i adjusted them but they didn't take effect until i restarted
[02:19] <tanath> system default, which according to the gconf thing is monospace 10
[02:19] <ConstyXIV> where in ccsm do you keep windows from "sticking" to the edge?
[02:19] <fulio> CydeSwype, when i clicked on it , it said "not all updates can be isntalled
[02:19] <CydeSwype> additionally, my restricted nvidia drivers got disabled.  re-enabling those solved a lot of problems
[02:20] <ShackJack> ConstyXIV: Under wobbly windows - uncheck snap inverted...
[02:20] <IntuitiveNipple> mine has "Use the system fixed width font" and shows "monospace 12"
[02:20] <CydeSwype> fulio, have you done a restart recently?  you have to reboot after this morning's update
[02:20] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: By nvidia drivers got borked by latest kernel update... had the "new" binary drivers and now they're gone and I am said :(
[02:20] <tanath> ConstyXIV, snapping windows
[02:21] <fulio> CydeSwype, i think after i ahve done the update, and turned of my laptop and i went back on and thats when i got the error
[02:21] <CydeSwype> shackjack, sounds like that's happening to several people.  the joys of being on the beta release!
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> We're on beta already!?
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Still alpha you know!
[02:21] <CydeSwype> err alpha?
[02:21] <CydeSwype> lol
[02:21] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[02:21] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: Yeah, I have this monitor which has query refresh so it starts with "no signal" I was releived when nvidia-new - fixed it, but it got borked... SHould've save my old xrog.conf - DOH!
[02:22] <CydeSwype> fulio, i sometimes get the "can't install updates" but usually a restart solves it
[02:22] <CydeSwype> shackjack, if i had a nickel for every time i should have saved my xorg.conf, i'd have about $20 now
[02:22] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, what's your gnome-control-center version?
[02:22] <CydeSwype> this whole bulletproof x thing still has a way to go
[02:23] <fulio> CydeSwype, atm im running a partial upgrade
[02:23] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: Ironically, my ATI setup is working swimmingly :)
[02:23] <CydeSwype> fulio, very cool.  that may fix a lot of things for you
[02:23] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu2
[02:23] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, Version: 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3
[02:23] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: I can start in vesa, al least but I miss me eye candy...
[02:23] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, and i can't open gnome appearance
[02:23] <fulio> CydeSwype, how do install icons theme and a gnome theme ?
[02:23] <ShackJack> HI all - gutsy's been a little finicky with auto-mounting USB drives lately, but I have USB hard drive I want to mount on a notebook and is doesn't show up in lsusb at all (?!)   And tips on steps I can take?
[02:24] <CydeSwype> shackjack, yeah, it's funny how we miss the wobbly windows, isn't it?
[02:24] <tanath> fulio, Sys > Prefs > Appearance
[02:24] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: interestingly, updating that package needs to also do  libgnome-window-settings1
[02:24] <tanath> fulio, er, Sys > Prefs > windows
[02:24] <IntuitiveNipple> which sounds more like something that'd affect your fonts
[02:24] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: Yeah, but it's actually useful too... And I love the Irony of my Virtual Windows XP flipping in a CoverFlow style-task switcher on my Linux machine ;)
[02:25] <tanath> fulio, er, ignore me, i can't find it, lol
[02:25] <CydeSwype> shackjack, is that from the latest virtualbox stuff?
[02:25] <fulio> tanath, lol
[02:25] <osmosis> where can I download a daily of gutsy server?    doesnt work http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/
[02:25] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath:  dpkg-query -L libgnome-window-settings1
[02:25] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: check what files are changed
[02:25] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: Yeah, using the Fiesty repo on their site - it works great(!)
[02:26] <fulio> tanath, everything was working ok untill the update , will this be fix soo?
[02:26] <fulio> soon*
[02:26] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: Got a little windows logo in my app launcher to launch it with one click in full screne mode... sweet...
[02:26] <IntuitiveNipple> fulio: check if there's a bug report about it. If so, add a comment... if not, report a new bug
[02:26] <CydeSwype> shackjack, i love virtualbox.  haven't gotten the latest one installed with winxp yet though (hunting for a copy)...a legal one of course...
[02:26] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, the relevant files: http://pastebin.ca/701360
[02:26] <tanath> fulio, hope so
[02:27] <fulio> tanath, do you also ahve that problem?
[02:27] <ConstyXIV> CydeSwype: xp or virtualbox?  vbox is free and Free (depending on your tastes)
[02:27] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: I was able to use my product key twice (have two version, just couldn't find other key)... Went to install WMP 11 but it tags on WGA so I'll look for a cracked copy of that...
[02:27] <tanath> fulio, sorry, which again?
[02:27] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: yeah, I know, I can see them here :) I meant, check if the executables/libraries have been updated or just some minor doc changes.
[02:27] <Shelagh> Any one having trouble upgrading snort? I get subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 6. Google doesn't help.
[02:27] <CydeSwype> constyXIV: virtualbox is set up.  just looking for a winxp cd
[02:27] <ShackJack> Any help on troubleshooting a USB harddrive that doesn't show in lsusb?
[02:28] <fulio> tanath, with the gnome-settings-daemon with the error
[02:28] <CydeSwype> shackjack, i've installed my key too many times.  told me to get another one  =^P  stupid MS
[02:28] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: from the Changelog: Version 1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3:
[02:28] <IntuitiveNipple>   * Add support for altering touchpad parameters to
[02:28] <IntuitiveNipple>     gnome-settings-daemon and gnome-mouse-properties
[02:28] <tanath> fulio, oh, i didn't get that problem :)
[02:28] <jepler> hm things are worse after reboot -- gnome-terminal comes up short but wider than the screen, and all window titles are cut off
[02:28] <fulio> tanath, grrr.. hope this will fix it
[02:28] <tanath> jepler, yep. the text is tiny
[02:28] <ShackJack> CydeSwype: I can't believe how well it works, even on my old 2.4 P4
[02:28] <tanath> jepler, highlight it
[02:29] <osmosis> why is there no image?  http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-server/daily/
[02:29] <IntuitiveNipple> CydeSwype: phone MS - they'll usually reset the count on it for you. I have done that several times because of testing
[02:29] <osmosis> no ISO
[02:29] <ShackJack> Tiny text in GUI?
[02:30] <IntuitiveNipple> osmosis: check the build logs on launchpad
[02:30] <jepler> I also get a nasty warning about gnome power something, but that's more than likely because I'm using a custom kernel with CPU frequency scaling disabled
[02:31] <osmosis> IntuitiveNipple: build logs?  i can never find anything on launchpad
[02:32] <krisx> howdy
[02:32] <CydeSwype> intuitivenipple: i kinda figured they'd do that.  i just haven't gotten around to it.  that and i don't want to get their attitude when i tell them i install them as a virtualmachine under linux  ;^)
[02:33] <igorgue> hey!
[02:33] <krisx> yo lol
[02:33] <fulio> allright guys brb my update has just finish ima do a reboot brb
[02:34] <IntuitiveNipple> CydeSwype: You don't need to tell them the precise details. All you say is you're reinstalling because you're trying different configurations
[02:34] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, files don't seem to have been touched
[02:35] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, since yesterday
[02:35] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: So, something else maybe
[02:35] <CydeSwype> but how can i resist telling them i'm finally rid of their OS?!  ;^)
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: the key is to monitor what files/settings gnome-terminal reads to give you an idea where the issue is - I'd use strace initially, and then inotifywait and then get specific
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> CydeSwype: You're not :p
[02:36] <IntuitiveNipple> CydeSwype: Else you'd be able to forget it :)
[02:36] <krisx> man you guys are developoing the hell out of gutsy it used to crash once a day ive been up for 2 weeeks  as  of late
[02:36] <CydeSwype> haha true
[02:36] <CydeSwype> i mostly have them around just so i can QA in IE
[02:36] <CydeSwype> the ies4linux isn't 100% reliable
[02:36] <igorgue> krisx: now is not crashing that much
[02:37] <krisx> lol
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm the same, I have VMs of each version for testing
[02:37] <igorgue> Another update of compiz... that make me happy!
[02:37] <IntuitiveNipple> But I have an MSDN account too so licensing isn't a big issue
[02:37] <CydeSwype> right on
[02:38] <CydeSwype> sweet.  update finally finished.  time for reboot
[02:39] <krisx> yeah boys  imm quad booting now but i am linux convert after vista
[02:39] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i can't remember how to direct the strace output to a file
[02:40] <krisx> my hubbys hardcore linux
[02:40] <igorgue> yeah Vista sucks... but at least they have a good chess program which is not "online" chess program btw
[02:40] <krisx> he screwed up my head lol
[02:41] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, nvm
[02:41] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: man strace ... clue -o
[02:42] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, keeps giving me permission denied o.O
[02:42] <krisx> damn  processor hog i run 10% on linux vista ultimate has me 30 on a 5200+ dual core
[02:43] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, gah, nvm, lol
[02:43] <fulio> HELP
[02:43] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, ok, got me an strace log, but need help to know what i'm looking for
[02:43] <krisx> imm a linux newb  yes but damn
[02:44] <fulio> after i have done the update my desktop effects isnt working and my compiz-fusion isnt working, desktop effects isnt located in the system>preference> and im not able to click on the compiz-fusion.
[02:45] <krisx> only been plaing for a year since feisty but i  am a power useer
[02:45] <igorgue> :o
[02:45] <igorgue> fulio: you are scaring me a lot
[02:45] <IBG> fulio, try ctr+f2 then compiz --replace
[02:45] <krisx> }
[02:46] <CydeSwype> oh man...that is SO much better
[02:46] <fulio> IBG, it wont open. i went to the syn package and try to install desktop-effects and it wont let me it says "desktop-effects:
[02:46] <fulio>  Depends: compiz but it is not going to be installed
[02:46] <fulio> "
[02:47] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I'd use a process of elimination - look for reads of what seem like settings files (so in ~/.gnome*) using grep
[02:47] <krisx> this version of linux  with 64 compiz emerald is sweet shit
[02:47] <sebastian> hi guys .. i am trying to upgrade to gutsy with update-manager -c -d but it doesn't show the 7.10 update .... what should i do?
[02:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Gutsy 64-bit is running sweet since about tribe-5
[02:48] <sebastian> i have the newest update-manager
[02:48] <jrib> sebastian: apt-cache policy update-manager   returns what version?
[02:48] <krisx> well maybe it runs under 32 but damnnnnnn
[02:48] <fulio> anyhelp please.
[02:48] <sebastian> 0.59.23
[02:49] <krisx> 4:20
[02:49] <sebastian> jrib: 0.59.23
[02:49] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, mostly icons, and mostly ENOENT (No such file or directory)
[02:49] <IntuitiveNipple> Maybe its using dbus and of course gconfd
[02:49] <jrib> sebastian: does it fail if you just run 'update-manager -d'?
[02:49] <igorgue> are you getting the gnome splash screen?
[02:50] <sebastian> jrib: yeah, it shows no updates
[02:51] <jrib> sebastian: interesting, it's not showing up on my feisty install at the moment either.  But I have upgraded another one this way.  Let me see
[02:51] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: What happens if you select a custom font and size?
[02:51] <ShackJack> fulio - compiz just had some issues in repos... I would maybe just uninstall, do updates and reinstall compiz
[02:51] <krisx> take care love you guys sorry mental health daY night all
[02:51] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, no change
[02:51] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, no visible change anyway
[02:51] <igorgue> krisx, bye
[02:51] <IntuitiveNipple> so gnome-terminal ignores the setting?
[02:51] <krisx> compiz is getting there
[02:52] <igorgue> krisx, with the latest update?
[02:52] <fulio> ShackJack, can you help me pelase?
[02:52] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I've just altered the current font to BOLD monospace 12pt and that works instantly
[02:52] <fulio> ShackJack, well it seems like it isnt installed but my desktop effects isnt working
[02:52] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: As soon as I reselect "Use default" the window switches back to Monospace 10
[02:53] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i just tried monospace 72. no change
[02:53] <ShackJack> sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[02:53] <IntuitiveNipple> looks like you've got a dbus/gconfd issue... are they both running?
[02:53] <ShackJack> and make sure compiz compiz-gnome compizconfigset<Tab> is installed..
[02:53] <krisx> sorry my gentoo honey tells me not but i update and  upgrade every day
[02:53] <krisx> nature of dev
[02:54] <fulio> Hi, i have just done a new update+upgrade, and now im not able to use any desktop effects and my compiz-fusion isnt working. desktopeffects isnt located in the sys>pref> i tryd intsalling it and it woouldnt work any help please??
[02:54] <krisx> twice a day actually
[02:54] <jrib> sebastian: not sure what's going on here either
[02:54] <ShackJack> fulio: You have to reinstall... do search look for packages, etc...
[02:54] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, dbus is running, but i don't see gconf
[02:54] <ShackJack> aptitude search compiz
[02:54] <fulio> i have done that none of the packages are installed and if i try to reinstalll it , it wont work =\
[02:54] <sebastian> jrib: hm, that's really strange
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: :$ ps -ef | grep gconfd
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> tj        6017     1  0 Sep17 ?        00:00:01 /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2 6
[02:55] <fulio> i tryd to install desktop-effects and i got this back
[02:55] <fulio> desktop-effects:
[02:55] <fulio>  Depends: compiz but it is not going to be installed
[02:55] <sebastian> jrib: maybe this is since tribe 5 update?
[02:55] <ShackJack> fulio: Well, you might have to wait, though I don't know why - dependency stuff... happened to me a little earlier...
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: that explains your problem,if gconfd hasn't started
[02:55] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, found it
[02:55] <ShackJack> fulio: Did you update as i stated above -- full-upgrade
[02:55] <IntuitiveNipple> ahh, good!
[02:55] <krisx> how soon till big freeze
[02:56] <jrib> sebastian: I don't think so, I'm pretty sure my other upgrade was after tribe 5
[02:56] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple,  /usr/lib/libgconf2-4/gconfd-2 is running
[02:56] <IntuitiveNipple> lol... fab new bug #140565 ... made me think of the solution being "Upgrade User" !!
[02:56] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140565 in ubuntu "mounting network samba and nfs shares is too hard for average user" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140565
[02:57] <tanath> heh
[02:57] <fulio> ShackJack, yes. i saw a new update on the top right, i clicked it did a update , and it asked for a rebbooot so i did and now none of my desktop effects wont work and my icons and themes changed back
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: for the hell of it, have you tried restarting GDM and/or the PC ?
[02:57] <krisx> heh gtfo
[02:57] <ShackJack> fulio: SOrry dunno what else to tell ya...
[02:57] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, again?
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> lol ok just asking!
[02:57] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, well i upgraded, rebooted as necessary, and that's when the problem started
[02:57] <IntuitiveNipple> can never be too careful :)
[02:58] <krisx> dont reboot lol
[02:58] <tanath> then upgraded a bit more, and that's when i couldn't run gnome-appearance anymore
[02:58] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I would try a restart if it were me - I've seen several issues that needed a couple of restarts to settle down after updates
[02:58] <IntuitiveNipple> In the long run, if it solves the issue, it saves you time and stress
[02:59] <krisx> you shoud be  able to recover in recovery mode
[02:59] <sebastian> jrib: hmm, here's what gets dumped into the terminal: warning: could not initiate dbus
[02:59] <sebastian> current dist not found in meta-release file
[02:59] <jrib> sebastian: same here, but I don't think that matters
[03:00] <jrib> sebastian: ah, I don't get that second line
[03:00] <ConstyXIV> is there any way to get GDM to let you tab to the password box again?
[03:00] <krisx> ok gotta scoot hubbys growling for dinner nite all
[03:00] <sebastian> jrib: i think if it doesn't know what distribution i am using now it can't know how to update
[03:01] <scriptkiddie> i'd like to do a dist upgrade to gutsy.  do i just need to change my sources list? and then sudo aptitude dist-upgrade?
[03:01] <jrib> scriptkiddie: no, see: ubuntu.com/testing
[03:02] <ConstyXIV> scriptkiddie: before you do anything, back up anything that might be important
[03:02] <jrib> yes, good point
[03:02] <scriptkiddie> ConstyXIV: heh, i lost 10 years worth of work three weeks ago.  nothing important anymore
[03:03] <ConstyXIV> upgrades to testing can and will kill your system when you least expect it
[03:03] <scriptkiddie> the live cd works great.  i am hoping the upgrade is just as simple
[03:03] <ConstyXIV> it's the perfect standards-compliant implementation of murphy's law :)
[03:03] <ShackJack> Nah, that's never happened to me..
[03:04] <ShackJack> So if I plug in somethng and it doesn't show up in lsusb -- any next steps I can take?? (external USB HD - works in other gutsy setup on older computer)
[03:04] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, didn't work :-/
[03:05] <sebastian> jrib: aha, strange my meta-release file is empty ... i'll see what happens if i fill in the stuff
[03:05] <ConstyXIV> what difference does it make to use a statically compiled version of an app?
[03:06] <ConstyXIV> specifically, opera 9.5 alpha
[03:06] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: hmmm!
[03:06] <IntuitiveNipple> I'll do a lib update then a control-center and see if either affects things
[03:07] <tanath> ConstyXIV, static linking = bad
[03:07] <IdleOne> !usplash
[03:07] <ubotu> To select the usplash artwork you want, use "sudo update-alternatives --config usplash-artwork.so && sudo update-initramfs -u" - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/USplashCustomizationHowto for adding your custom artwork
[03:07] <tanath> http://people.redhat.com/drepper/no_static_linking.html
[03:07] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: not always
[03:08] <hydrogen> ConstyXIV: static linking makes the binary a bit bigger by linking all necessary stuff into the binary
[03:08] <hydrogen> its nice though because theres no dependancy hell
[03:08] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, the article i linked says otherwise :P
[03:08] <IntuitiveNipple> don't believe everything you read :p
[03:08] <jrib> sebastian: it's working in a vm by the way
[03:08] <hydrogen> tanath: that doesn't really matter
[03:08] <ConstyXIV> hydrogen: outside of that, does it cause any real damage?
[03:08] <sebastian> jrib: ok, updating the file worked
[03:08] <hydrogen> tanath: static linking is good in a number of cases
[03:08] <hydrogen> ConstyXIV: it doesn't cause damage
[03:08] <hydrogen> ConstyXIV: its fine to use
[03:08] <IntuitiveNipple> ConstyXIV: dynamic linking means that smaller bits can updated independently
[03:08] <sebastian> jrib: it seems the reason was that the meta-release file was empty
[03:08] <jrib> sebastian: I rm -rf ~/.update-manager*  and that worked here as well
[03:09] <tanath> hydrogen, "There are still too many people out there who think (or even insist) that static linking has benefits. This has never been the case and never will be the case."
[03:09] <hydrogen> tanath: so what
[03:09] <IntuitiveNipple> ConstyXIV: but for some situations static linking is preferred, especially if the app writer needs to ensure only certain versions of libs are used
[03:09] <hydrogen> tanath: you can't tell me that having a static linked version of coreutils is a bad idea
[03:09] <tanath> hydrogen, did you read the article?
[03:09] <mosno> it all depends on your goals, really
[03:09] <hydrogen> tanath: do you understand the difference or are you just spouting off dreppers thoughts?
[03:09] <tanath> hydrogen, telling me you disagree doesn't help. telling me why you disagree might
[03:10] <IntuitiveNipple> ConstyXIV: If you've got library developers changing the ABI/API at will, as happens a lot, then static linking can be beneficial
[03:10] <tanath> hydrogen, neither. i'm just pointing to the article
[03:10] <sebastian> jrib: thanks for help
[03:10] <hydrogen> tanath: right, and I'm pointing out that absolutes are never correct
[03:10] <jrib> sebastian: no problem, glad you sorted it
[03:10] <hydrogen> static linking is very helpful because it does not require libraries on the machine to exist
[03:10] <tanath> hydrogen, that sentence is an absolute, therefore you just contradicted yourself :P
[03:10] <hydrogen> so if something gets really messed up in your /lib directory
[03:11] <hydrogen> and you have a staticly linked version of cp hanging around
[03:11] <hydrogen> (or busybox, which provides a number of staticalyh linked apps in a rescue shell)
[03:11] <hydrogen> you can still use cp
[03:11] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I've updated gnome-control-center; still no problems
[03:12] <ConstyXIV> only a sith deals in absolutes (sorry :()
[03:13] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: Is Bug #140569 yours?
[03:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140569 in gnome-terminal "Gterminal not working on Gutsy as of latest updates 9/17/07 5:55pm pacific" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140569
[03:13] <tanath> hydrogen, i agree with most of what you're saying
[03:14] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, looks to be, though comment says it's a dupe
[03:15] <scriptkiddie> well, going to try a dist upgrade to gutsy
[03:16] <ShackJack> scriptkiddie: I'll say a prayer...
[03:16] <ShackJack> So if I plug in somethng and it doesn't show up in lsusb -- any next steps I can take?? (external USB HD - works in other gutsy setup on older computer)
[03:17] <tanath> ShackJack, lol
[03:17] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I'm looking through the updates list you've had - gtk2-engines-pixbuf is a candidate
[03:18] <ShackJack> tanath: LOL on the prayer or the USB question?
[03:18] <IntuitiveNipple> ShackJack: port power issue?
[03:18] <ConstyXIV> can you set scale to be set off by super+middle-click?
[03:18] <tanath> ShackJack, prayer, of course
[03:18] <ShackJack> IntuitiveNipple: Don't think so - oterh devices show up in lsusb (but don't automount) and device in question (USB HD) mounts on my desktop computer
[03:19] <squee> I just upgraded and restarted and now my terminal in gnome is messed up.  It almost looks like the fonts are missing or something.  Has anyone had a similar problems?
[03:19] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, update list i had? someone else posted a list of updates, but i think mine were fewer.
[03:20] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I have the update list here, just going through it
[03:20] <IntuitiveNipple> gutsy-changes mailing list I subscribe to
[03:25] <Ahmuck> k, can someone tell me how to do a dist upgrade from fiesty to gutsy
[03:26] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, gnome package says v: 1:2.18.3ubuntu1, but sysinfo says Gnome: 2.19.92 (Ubuntu 2007-09-04)
[03:27] <IntuitiveNipple> which gnome package?
[03:27] <mosno> Ahmuck: if you're asking, you might want to hold off on doing that until Gutsy is stable. Just a thought.
[03:28] <Ahmuck> na, i ok with trying it now
[03:28] <Ahmuck> ive been using the test cd, and it works great
[03:28] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: gnome-about is the package that reports 2.19.92
[03:28] <mosno> then usually you change references from feisty to gutsy in sources.list, then update and upgrade with aptitude or apt-get
[03:29] <ShackJack> Ahmuck: See: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe5
[03:29] <mosno> google for a guide
[03:30] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i just remembered something. amsn pops up an error on start, and now the text is invisible on that too
[03:30] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: I may soon be joining you, I'm allowing the upgrades :)
[03:30] <tanath> has anyone ever run amsn on gutsy?
[03:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Yeah
[03:31] <tanath> 'cause as soon as i upgraded to gutsy it stopped working
[03:31] <Ahmuck> k, does the upgrade-manager upgrade ubuntu or kubuntu
[03:31] <Ahmuck> kause i am on kubuntu
[03:31] <tanath> and now with this, i can't see the error :P
[03:32] <Toma-> tanath: can you hit ctl-S and see if you can see that?
[03:32] <IntuitiveNipple> have you checked the ~/.xsession-errors
[03:32] <hydrogen> you can use update-manager on kubuntu
[03:32] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, the server list?
[03:32] <hydrogen> it just pulls in a whole bunch of gnome packages
[03:32] <tanath> oh, on gterm?
[03:32] <hydrogen> beeause I don't think update-manager-kde is in feisty-backports
[03:32] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: the user X session log
[03:33] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, you said to hit ctrl+s... on what?
[03:33] <IntuitiveNipple> moi? no that was Toma-
[03:33] <Toma-> tanath: that was me. hit ctrl-s on amsn
[03:33] <tanath> oh, right
[03:33] <tanath> Toma-, can't. i can't run amsn
[03:33] <Toma-> oh it doesnt even run? :/
[03:33] <tanath> Toma-, it pops up an error, and quits when i hit ok
[03:34] <tanath> Toma-, can't load something or other
[03:34] <Toma-> well do it on the error dialog
[03:34] <Toma-> might work
[03:34] <tanath> nope
[03:34] <Toma-> bummer
[03:35] <IntuitiveNipple> first batch of updates applied... still ok here
[03:35] <Toma-> tanath: tried moving your .amsn directory?
[03:35] <IdleOne> will pidgin package for gutsy install and work on fiesty?
[03:35] <Toma-> IdleOne: the dependencies will be off, so i guess not
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> it's looking like it'll be a libgtk2.0 issue
[03:36] <IntuitiveNipple> updating them now
[03:36] <tanath> no
[03:37] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, there's a gtk warning: Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.
[03:37] <tanath> not sure what app that was
[03:37] <IntuitiveNipple> I hate the gnome logging, it's so unclear
[03:37] <mroc> need a little help here....i just installed tribe 5 on this system and everything worked.  after applying updates, about a quarter of the screen (in the middle) is a big blank strip.  intel i810 driver.   has anyone else run into this?
[03:38] <mroc> sorry...that wasn't clear....i tried i810 and intel as the driver in the xorg.conf
[03:39] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, after that it says: Refusing to initialize GTK+.
[03:41] <tanath> Toma-, i don't think it's the .amsn dir, it said something about can't load a library.... tkxcdimage? or something like that
[03:42] <tanath> damnit, it won't send the error to terminal
[03:45] <IntuitiveNipple> time to restart and test it all
[03:48] <mroc> trying my question again......latest updates have caused a big black bar across the middle of the my screen i810 driver....has anyone else run into this problem?
[03:48] <igorgue> nop
[03:48] <igorgue> and I have also an intel chipset
[03:48] <igorgue> (santa rosa)
[03:48] <IdleOne> mroc: gimme a sec
[03:49] <igorgue> do you know any workaround in the last gnome terminal emulator issue?
[03:49] <igorgue> the too little fonts?
[03:49] <tanath> use xterm
[03:49] <igorgue> :D
[03:49] <tanath> :D
[03:49] <igorgue> thats what Im using
[03:49] <IdleOne> bug #137604
[03:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 137604 in xorg-server "Black Bar Across Screen with gutsy i810" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/137604
[03:50] <IdleOne> mroc: follow the above link there is a temp fix
[03:50] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: It's affected me too, after the gtk2 update
[03:50] <mroc> IdleOne: thanks...guess i didn't search the bugs carefully enough
[03:50] <IntuitiveNipple> all fonts are being painted smaller
[03:50] <tanath> alrighty
[03:50] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, now it'll be easier for you to find the problem & fix it :D :P
[03:50] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, yeh, but they were like that before on feisty too
[03:51] <tanath> for me anyway
[03:51] <IdleOne> mroc: np
[03:51] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, i think the fonts are fixed now, not 'smaller'. they were too big
[03:51] <Toma-> tanath: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg426374.html
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: Fixed it
[03:52] <tanath> ... that was fast
[03:52] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't hang about... can you start gnome-appearance-properties ?
[03:53] <tanath> Toma-, thx, trying that now
[03:53] <Toma-> tanath: np
[03:53] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, nope
[03:53] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, how'd you fix it?
[03:53] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, that how?
[03:54] <igorgue> IntuitiveNipple, how do you fix it?
[03:54] <tanath> Toma-, it's alive! :D
[03:54] <Toma-> hazzah!
[03:54] <Toma-> cool
[03:54] <Toma-> was just a simple PEBKAC :)
[03:55] <tanath> what? how so?
[03:55] <Toma-> you left a feisty repo in the sources.list?
[03:55] <tanath> i don't think so...
[03:55] <tanath> lemme triple check
[03:56] <Toma-> maybe im just reading it wrong
[03:56] <tanath> nope
[03:57] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, so don't leave us hanging. how'd you fix it?
[03:58] <igorgue> yeah... this issue suck very hard
[03:58] <tanath> lol, i think he's busy
[03:58] <igorgue> fixing it maybe :P
[03:58] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: bear with me, I'm working out the gconftool command for it
[03:58] <tanath> one command, to fix them all...
[03:58] <tanath> sorry
[03:59] <tanath> :D
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> ok here we go - couldn't work out what data-type the value is
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> $ gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> It's been reset to 50
[04:01] <IntuitiveNipple> thats the bug, it should be 96dpi or close
[04:02] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, victory!
[04:03] <IntuitiveNipple> I've posted the fix to the bug
[04:03] <tanath> so how'd that happen?
[04:04] <VousDeux> hi, what is the best mpeg decoder?
[04:04] <Toma-> mencoder
[04:04] <Toma-> whats that got to do with gutsy?
[04:04] <VousDeux> I had that stuff working before, but I reinstalled everything and I can't remember what I used before.
[04:05] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, and now gnome appearance works
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> yes, and many others
[04:05] <tanath> VousDeux, DEcoder?
[04:05] <IntuitiveNipple> I've marked the main bug as high priority, confirmed and assigned
[04:05] <tanath> VousDeux, what're you trying to do?
[04:06] <VousDeux> tanath, yeah, decoder...I'm trying to play mp3 format
[04:06] <tanath> !codecs
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[04:06] <tanath> ^
[04:06] <VousDeux> I guess it really doesn't have a lot to do with gutsy, now that you mention it, but I am running gutsy and this is where I have been getting the best help from
[04:07] <igorgue> thanks IntuitiveNipple!
[04:07] <VousDeux> thanks, there are so many to choose from, hard to know where to start
[04:07] <IntuitiveNipple> you're welcome
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> I/m searching the updates now for the offending line
[04:08] <tanath> :)
[04:08] <strabes> has anyone upgraded tonight? What's wrong with gnome-terminal and teh appearance window?
[04:08] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[04:08] <tanath> strabes, gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[04:09] <tanath> strabes, run that in xterm or something
[04:09] <IntuitiveNipple> strabes I just fixed it... see bug #140540
[04:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gtk2-engines "Gnome terminal doesn't show fonts" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[04:09] <strabes> well that was easy.
[04:09] <strabes> thank you all
[04:09] <tanath> lol
[04:09] <tanath> you weren't here for the past couple hours :P
[04:09] <strabes> so the upgrade caused it?
[04:09] <strabes> yeah apparently lol
[04:10] <IntuitiveNipple> I'm looking for the cause now
[04:11] <VousDeux> libxine...that looks familiar
[04:11] <tanath> VousDeux, i think installing w32codecs will do the job
[04:12] <tanath> !mp3
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[04:19] <mssnlayam> I get a "Gnone settings daemon could not start" error when I start gnome. What could be wrong?
[04:20] <strabes> mssnlayam: see this therad: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553094&highlight=gnome+settings+daemon
[04:20] <mssnlayam> strabes: cool thanks
[04:21] <strabes> mssnlayam: i think this post will help: "
[04:21] <strabes> Odd as it might seem, this is actually a bug in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. I've just uploaded a fixed version, which should land in the archives within a couple of hours."
[04:21] <strabes> so it looks like this bug will fix itself
[04:21] <mssnlayam> cool :)
[04:22] <mssnlayam> I have another question, I guess this should be pretty common, but could not find the answer anywhere. Fonts for non-gnome applications (firefox, etc.) are screwed up, and I am not able to figure out how to fix them
[04:23] <fulio_> hi
[04:23] <fulio_> when i booted into my laptop i got this error There was an error starting the GNOME Settings Daemon.
[04:23] <fulio_> Some things, such as themes, sounds, or background settings may not work correctly.
[04:23] <fulio_> The Settings Daemon restarted too many times.
[04:23] <fulio_> GNOME will still try to restart the Settings Daemon next time you log in.
[04:23] <VousDeux> The libxine stuff seemed to do the trick. The w64codecs weren't listed in Adept. Thanks a bunch!
[04:23] <mssnlayam> fulio_: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553094&highlight=gnome+settings+daemon
[04:24] <fulio_> mssnlayam, yea im having that problem too , my compiz fusion was working and all but now its not working
[04:25] <fulio_> mssnlayam, when i tryd to enable it i go this prbleom "Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)"
[04:25] <mssnlayam> pasting what strabes said a few minutes ago
[04:25] <mssnlayam> (09:21:18 PM) strabes: Odd as it might seem, this is actually a bug in xserver-xorg-input-synaptics. I've just uploaded a fixed version, which should land in the archives within a couple of hours."
[04:25] <mssnlayam> (09:21:39 PM) strabes: so it looks like this bug will fix itself
[04:26] <fulio_> mssnlayam, so everything will be ok soon?
[04:26] <VousDeux> mssnlayam, does that address the shared memory issue with the SHMConfig?
[04:27] <mssnlayam> I don't know much, I just relayed what strabes said, to save them some typing
[04:27] <mssnlayam> I have the same problem, and from what I hear, looks like it will get fixed in the next upgrade
[04:28] <VousDeux> oic, it would be cool if I could configure that thing...it's pretty annoying :)
[04:30] <fulio_> mssnlayam, i have a question wheren do i put these deb packages like i386 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9322477/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_i386.deb?
[04:31] <fulio_> mssnlayam, for more information it said "for those who cant wait for apt-get here are the direct links to deb packages, then it said to simply do sudo dpkg-i followed by the package name
[04:31] <mssnlayam> fulio_: I don't understand your question
[04:32] <fulio_> mssnlayam, can you go to this site please http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553094&highlight=gnome+settings+daemon&page=5 and aldeby wronte something about packages
[04:32] <Ahmuck> dpkg: error processing util-linux-locales (--configure):
[04:32] <Ahmuck>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[04:32] <Ahmuck> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:32] <Ahmuck>  tzdata
[04:32] <Ahmuck>  util-linux-locales
[04:32] <mssnlayam> fulio_: yes, I am there
[04:33] <mssnlayam> download the package and run sudo dpkg -i filename
[04:33] <fulio_> mssnlayam, did you read it? someone said that he did that and everything works fine now
[04:33] <mssnlayam> yes, I read that
[04:33] <fulio_> so i download the package and save it to desktop
[04:33] <fulio_> ?
[04:33] <mssnlayam> save it anywhere you want :)
[04:33] <fulio_> kk
[04:33] <mssnlayam> and the argument should be the filename
[04:35] <mssnlayam> fulio_, I just now downloaded and installed it. I don't know if it will work though. I will logout and let you know
[04:35] <fulio_> k
[04:35] <fulio_> mssnlayam, ok
[04:37] <mssnlayam> fulio_: works now :)
[04:37] <fulio_> mssnlayam, why doesnt it work for me?
[04:37] <fulio_> mssnlayam, i saved both files on to my desktop
[04:37] <fulio_> mssnlayam, the first one i did was
[04:37] <fulio_> mssnlayam, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=553094&highlight=gnome+settings+daemon&page=5
[04:38] <mssnlayam> did you install it?
[04:38] <fulio_> mssnlayam, sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb
[04:38] <pwnguin> anyone know what package the mouse preferences is in?
[04:38] <pwnguin> ive noticed that setting the sensetivity doesn't affect my synaptics touchpad
[04:38] <mssnlayam> fulio_: what was the output?
[04:38] <fulio_> mssnlayam, ima do it one more time
[04:42] <fulio_> mssnlayam,  you there?
[04:42] <fulio_> mssnlayam, this is the output
[04:42] <fulio_> mssnlayam, fulio@fulio-laptop:~/Desktop$ sudo dpkg -i xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb
[04:42] <fulio_> dpkg: error processing xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb (--install):
[04:42] <fulio_>  package architecture (amd64) does not match system (i386)
[04:42] <fulio_> Errors were encountered while processing:
[04:42] <fulio_>  xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_amd64.deb
[04:42] <mssnlayam> fulio_, you are using an x86 system, perhaps
[04:42] <mssnlayam> there are two files right?
[04:42] <fulio_> yes one of them is a 1386 and a x86_64
[04:43] <mssnlayam> install the file for i386
[04:43] <fulio_> k then do i reboot?
[04:43] <mssnlayam> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9322477/xserver-xorg-input-synaptics_0.14.6-0ubuntu9_i386.deb
[04:43] <mssnlayam> did you install it?
[04:43] <mssnlayam> just log out of gnome login back again
[04:43] <fulio_> k im done brb
[04:45] <fulio_> mssnlayam, hey
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[04:47] (fulio_/#ubuntu+1) mssnlayam, well THANKYOU ALOT you help me alot its just now my desktop effects
[04:47] (fulio_/#ubuntu+1) ty
[04:48] (mssnlayam/#ubuntu+1) cool
[04:50] <user01> are there instructions for installing libdvdcss2 in gutsy?
[04:52] <Aondo> it's not in the repo is it?
[04:53] <Aondo> if you have the package for it, just sudo dpkg -i package.deb
[04:54] <flaccid> just wondering if its possible to keep up with the nvidia glx driver when keeping up with gutsy updates. ie. need to reinstall coz of new kernel but sometimes i think the restricted mods are not out for that kernel version yet, so then i have to rever to previous kernel
[04:54] <flaccid> i guess this is normal..
[04:54] <fulio_> \dow-decorator" (No such file or directory)"
[04:55] <fulio_> \problems,  when ever i try to enable the desktop effects it says "Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)"
[05:00] <user01> can i just download the feisty package for libdvdcss2 and install it in gutsy?
[05:00] <user01> or just toss in usr/lib/
[05:02] <gnomefreak> user01: it should work but i cant remember what depends it has normally not a good idea at all
[05:03] <gnomefreak> user01: there are gutsy packages of that iirc
[05:04] <Aondo> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4)
[05:05] <user01> gnomefreak: i just wanted to test out dvd playback
[05:05] <gnomefreak> Aondo: ty
[05:05] <user01> gnomefreak: or would you recommend waiting until october?
[05:06] <user01> im sure there will be wikis all over the place by then
[05:06] <gnomefreak> user01: grab it from mediubuntu or whatever its called
[05:06] <gnomefreak> user01: last i heard repos had issues so you might want to open repo in browser and download the package
[05:07] <Aondo> i just downloaded it from videolan.org the deb file there
[05:07] <Aondo> no conflicts at all
[05:07] <Aondo> hehe
[05:08] <gnomefreak> !libc6 gutsy
[05:08] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about libc6 gutsy - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[05:08] <gnomefreak> !info libc6 gutsy
[05:08] <ubotu> libc6: GNU C Library: Shared libraries. In component main, is required. Version 2.6.1-1ubuntu4 (gutsy), package size 4084 kB, installed size 10120 kB
[05:09] <gnomefreak> damn yeah thats fine
[05:10] <user01> Aondo: http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-ubuntu.html thats not the right place i take it
[05:11] <gnomefreak> user01: just get it from mediubuntu site
[05:11] <gnomefreak> !libdvdcss2
[05:11] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[05:11] <gnomefreak> or seveas
[05:11] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, did you manage to track down that problem?
[05:12] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[05:12] <user01> gnomefreak: didnt see gutsy up but i take it there are no issues installing the feisty package
[05:13] <user01> from Aondos remarks anyway
[05:13] <gnomefreak> user01: no feisty package should work but there are gutsy packages someone else was talking about this yesterday or day before
[05:13] <gnomefreak> user01: hold on a sec
[05:13] <user01> i didnt see any on seveass site
[05:13] <gnomefreak> user01: ill get it for you
[05:13] <tanath> IntuitiveNipple, and what/where was it?
[05:13] <user01> thanks :)
[05:14] <gnomefreak> np give me some time i have download going so i have a bit of lag
[05:17] <IntuitiveNipple> tanath: resetting the dpi it seems, when updating gnome-control-center and capplets-data
[05:17] <asubedi> hey, edge scrolling on synaptics touchpad suddenly working today. does anyone know of any fix?
[05:18] <Aondo> user01  http://download.videolan.org/pub/libdvdcss/1.2.9/deb/
[05:19] <gnomefreak> user01: http://packages.medibuntu.org/pool/free/libd/libdvdcss/
[05:20] <donspaulding> hello all, anyone know if there are plans for a vmware-server commercial package for Gutsy?  Do commercial packages usually take this long in the devel cycle to show up?
[05:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Yes, and yes :)
[05:21] <user01> Aondo: thanks gnomefreak:  thanks
[05:21] <gnomefreak> donspaulding: user01 yw
[05:21] <IntuitiveNipple> although you can install the current vmware-server and apply the any-any 113 patch
[05:22] <gnomefreak> donspaulding: its not in repos and i dont remember it ever being in repos it was in canonical repo iirc
[05:22] <gnomefreak> repos have vmware-player but not server
[05:22] <Aondo> np user01 :D enjoy!
[05:23] <donspaulding> so is the plan to have the commercial repo up-to-date on release of gutsy?
[05:23] <gnomefreak> donspaulding: not until release afaik
[05:23] <user01> Aondo: did you do a sudo dpkg?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> since so much changes during devel its hard to keep updating unofficial repos and official repos
[05:25] <Aondo> user01  ye with an -i package.deb behind it
[05:25] <donspaulding> gnomefreak, sure, I understand
[05:26] <donspaulding> IntuitiveNipple, does the 113 patch work with todays kernel update? I'm now running 2.6.22-11.32
[05:26] <IntuitiveNipple> I don't know, I tested it on Friday and it did
[05:26] <gnomefreak> hmmmmm nautilus burning :(
[05:26] <gnomefreak> lets try something else
[05:29] <user01> is there a way if i find a good wiki for gutsy to link it somewhere to a ubuntu wiki?
[05:29] <user01> its on a personal website
[05:34] <fulio_> what does this mean Depends: libwnck-common (<2.19) but 2.19.92-0ubuntu2 is to be installed
[05:34] <ohad> i just upgraded to the last gutsy and all of a sudden my fonts in my terminal are extra small.. any ideas how to change that?
[05:35] <gnomefreak> fulio_: it means you cant install it on gutsy
[05:35] <pwnguin> ohad: it might be a DPI problem
[05:35] <fulio_> im not using gusty im using feisty
[05:35] <gnomefreak> fulio_: it needs a version less than 2.19 and gutsys is higher
[05:35] <gnomefreak> fulio_: than you need to be in #ubuntu
[05:36] <pwnguin> fulio_: upgrading to gutsy?
[05:36] <ohad> pwnguin, how should i fix it?
[05:36] <pwnguin> ohad: check out the fonts menu
[05:36] <pwnguin> whats the dpi currently set to?
[05:36] <gnomefreak> brb
[05:36] <fulio_> im not upgrading im trying to fix my desktopeffects
[05:36] <fulio_> im not able to fix it
[05:36] <ohad> pwnguin, where is it?
[05:37] <ohad> pwnguin, and what am i looking for?
[05:37] <fulio_> when i click to enable it , it says Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[05:37] <fulio_> Anyhelp please
[05:37] <pwnguin> ohad: system->preferences->fonts
[05:38] <ohad> pwnguin, no such thing.. how do i install install that?
[05:38] <pwnguin> hmm
[05:38] <pwnguin> cute
[05:38] <pwnguin> they moved it
[05:38] <pwnguin> its under appearance
[05:38] <ohad> pwnguin, apperance is actually not opening
[05:38] <pwnguin> thats no good
[05:39] <pwnguin> gnome or kde?
[05:39] <ohad> gnome
[05:39] <pwnguin> ok
[05:39] <ohad> just updated the last version
[05:39] <ohad> on gutsy
[05:39] <pwnguin> sure
[05:40] <pwnguin> ohad: bring up a terminal, and run gnome-appearance-properties
[05:40] <fulio_> i guess no one can help me agn??
[05:40] <pwnguin> fulio_: i think you might need to wait a bit
[05:40] <pwnguin> fulio_: its likely that the new version of that package hasnt hit the mirrors yet
[05:41] <ohad> pwnguin, it's not really opening. it's stuck
[05:41] <pwnguin> does anything print out on the terminal?
[05:41] <pwnguin> oh
[05:41] <pwnguin> shoot
[05:42] <ohad> pwnguin, terminal is too small to see if something is happening on it
[05:42] <pwnguin> right
[05:42] <fulio_> pwnguin, im talking about the desktop effects when ever i try to enable it says Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[05:44] <pwnguin> fulio_: well, i dont know in detail how to fix feisty's desktopeffects, but your upgrade problem can be solved by waiting and trying again in a few hours
[05:44] <pwnguin> ohad: try copy / pasting into gedit or something
[05:46] <pwnguin> or whatever paste bin this channel prefers
[05:47] <ohad_> pwnguin, so ? what do you think?
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> ohad: see bug #140540
[05:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[05:48] <ohad_> how do i resolve this situation? also, what is going on with wifi encryption under gutsy intel netw4x32 thinkpad x61s.. does not connect to LEAP network or WEP enterprise..
[05:48] <IntuitiveNipple> I've posted the fix to that bug, at the top
[05:48] <pwnguin> ohad_: i think it's already been reported
[05:48] <pwnguin> ^_^
[05:48] <ohad_> IntuitiveNipple, which bug/.
[05:48] <ohad_> ?
[05:49] <pwnguin> holy crap
[05:49] <IntuitiveNipple> read what I just referred to
[05:49] <pwnguin> its got a link, and the number twice
[05:49] <IntuitiveNipple> lol
[05:50] <IntuitiveNipple> I ought to be in bed - its 5am and I want to be fresh for the fireworks from the SCO bankruptcy hearing later
[05:50] <pwnguin> bah
[05:50] <pwnguin> only with linux does any given lawsuit get press
[05:51] <pwnguin> im sure microsoft is fending off lawsuits all the time, and it's not something to write about
[05:51] <tanath> lol
[05:52] <IntuitiveNipple> The drama!
[05:52] <IntuitiveNipple> it'll make a great movie :)
[05:53] <pwnguin> Jackass: the sequel?
[05:53] <mosno> speaking of lawsuits i hear Microsoft and Novell are actually fighting over something
[05:54] <mosno> ie. in court against each other
[05:54] <IntuitiveNipple> on which topic?
[05:55] <mosno> no idea
[05:55] <mosno> was mentioned in passing in some anti-fud i was reading
[05:56] <pwnguin> more interesting was mossburg's review of ubuntu
[06:01] <mosno> pwnguin: watching it .................... now
[06:01] <mosno> i dont see how it's any easier than Windows
[06:02] <mosno> er s/easier/harder
[06:02] <mosno> only real issues ive head is with closed drivers/hardware
[06:02] <mosno> s/head/had --- damnit!
[06:08] <cheesehead> Anyone here know how to install Gutsy off of a USB drive?
[06:09] <pwnguin> mosno: well, you have a touchpad mouse?
[06:10] <pwnguin> mosno: i especially liked the complaint from another review that midis didnt work
[06:10] <pwnguin> which is partly true -- gstreamer doesn't yet handle midi afaik
[06:11] <CountX> is there anyway to get virtualbox running on kernel 2.6.22-11.33
[06:12] <CountX> cause i cant, vbox says i need to install some kernel drivers
[06:12] <cheesehead> So...I hear Gutsy can install off of a USB disk, eh?
[06:13] <CountX> cant anything if your mobo supports booting from usb?
[06:13] <cheesehead> Well, the .iso is a bit of a problem for a flash disk.
[06:13] <CountX> just pull all the files from the iso to ur usb, format it FAT and then tell ur mobo to boot from usb
[06:13] <mosno> pwnguin: yea the touch-to-click sensitivity actually does annoy me
[06:14] <leperkhanz> *sigh*
[06:14] <mosno> pwnguin: i dont know about midis i dont use them right now
[06:14] <CountX> can someone point me to a repo for virtuabox for gutsy?
[06:14] <leperkhanz> CountX: Try getdeb.net
[06:14] <leperkhanz> They got lotsa stuff on t here.
[06:14] <CountX> cool bro
[06:15] <pwnguin> mosno: is that what he was on about?
[06:15] <mosno> pwnguin: probably
[06:15] <mosno> at least he should have been :-)
[06:15] <pwnguin> mosno: i cant even adjust the sensetivity at ALL
[06:15] <CountX> leperkhanz: how do i tell that site im looking for gutsy only stuff?
[06:15] <mosno> pwnguin: i've never tried to..
[06:15] <pwnguin> try it
[06:15] <mosno> pwnguin: well i'll be installing opensuse soon i'll let you know if they support it :D
[06:15] <pwnguin> then confirm by bug
[06:15] <pwnguin> ^_^
[06:15] <leperkhanz> CountX: No need.  There are .debs for 32 and 64 bit gutsy for most every app.
[06:15] <pwnguin> er
[06:16] <pwnguin> my bug
[06:16] <CountX> leperkhanz: cool
[06:16] <mosno> yah. bugzillas are good. i've actually submitted one before! To Gnome Project. Bare in mind im a user not a dev
[06:17] <CountX> leperkhanz: what do you recommend for virtuals on gutsy?
[06:17] <mosno> pwnguin: bug URL?
[06:17] <leperkhanz> I've had luck with qemulator, like i said earlier today. ;)
[06:18] <CountX> leperkhanz: ya im kinda newb, i tried qemulator and got very confused
[06:18] <pwnguin> 140585
[06:18] <pwnguin> bug 140585
[06:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140585 in gnome-control-center "[gnome-mouse-properties]  Sensetivity doesn't affect touchpad" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140585
[06:18] <mosno> pwnguin: also, this http://linux.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=299983&cid=20641267 points out the obvious wrt. the supposed built-in-ness of Windows codecs
[06:19] <pwnguin> i know
[06:19] <CountX> leperkhanz: http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=Qemulator where is the gutsy link dude :P
[06:19] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: Have you tried using gsynaptics ?
[06:19] <leperkhanz> That IS the gutsy link.  :)
[06:20] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: in the past. but i really posted that in response to the mossburg review
[06:20] <CountX> leperkhanz: at the bottom there are only feisty links...
[06:20] <leperkhanz> gutsy and feisty use the same .debs.
[06:20] <leperkhanz> :)
[06:20] <CountX> leperkhanz: ya but not the same kernel
[06:20] <CountX> leperkhanz: thats why virtualbox wont work on mine, cause i dont have the kernel drivers for 2.6.22
[06:21] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: his point is that it's silly to install an extra program to something as basic as adjust sensetivity, especially now that there's a "touchpad" tab in the mouse panel
[06:21] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: I don't see that Sensitivity option affecting the mouse, let alone the glidepad!
[06:21] <pwnguin> heh
[06:21] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: well
[06:21] <pwnguin> i hear it's switched
[06:22] <pwnguin> but neither do anything for me
[06:22] <IntuitiveNipple> I have a bluetooth mouse and the glidepad, neither seem to be affected by that
[06:22] <CountX> is there any particular reason firefox-bin freezes everytime i try downloading a file?
[06:22] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: i read another bug that says acceleration and sensetivity are switched
[06:23] <CountX> like when i click on the link to the .deb it freezes
[06:24] <IntuitiveNipple> nope... Acceleration seems okay here at least
[06:25] <pwnguin> is there a reason fluendo-mp3 isnt installed by default?
[06:25] <IntuitiveNipple> patents
[06:26] <pwnguin> how does that matter?
[06:26] <pwnguin> its in universe
[06:26] <pwnguin> lemme double check that
[06:26] <IntuitiveNipple> is it? I thought I saw it only in medibuntu
[06:26] <IntuitiveNipple> brb, restarting gnome to test gsynaptics
[06:27] <CountX> can anyone help me
[06:27] <CountX> i cant download anything with firefox, it freezes
[06:29] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: Gsynaptics doesn't adjust sensitivity either, so it's a general problem it seems
[06:30] <pwnguin> nope, its definately in universe
[06:31] <pwnguin> i wonder if anyone's ever brought it up
[06:31] <pwnguin> it seems like every press review does
[06:31] <pwnguin> you'd think someone would say, hay, we should done fix that soon
[06:32] <pwnguin> I wonder what the media would say if a distro charged 5 dollars for the right to mp3 playback
[06:35] <CountX> how can i put dll's in wine?
[06:35] <IntuitiveNipple> I've confirmed your bug
[06:35] <CountX> like, its saying that its missing dll's
[06:36] <mosno> IntuitiveNipple: do i still need to add my bit or is it enough that it's confirmed? I got stuck replying to emails .. =\
[06:36] <CountX> err:module:import_dll Library MFC42.DLL (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\marcel\\Mindmanager\\xxxxxx.exe") not found
[06:36] <CountX> err:module:import_dll Library MSVCP60.dll (which is needed by L"Z:\\home\\marcel\\Mindmanager\\xxxxx.exe") not found
[06:36] <CountX> err:module:LdrInitializeThunk Main exe initialization for L"Z:\\home\\marcel\\Mindmanager\\xxxxx.exe" failed, status c0000135
[06:37] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: Regarding fluendo-mp3, this might explain why (ISO reference implemenation) "Fluendo mp3 decoder GStreamer plugin
[06:37] <IntuitiveNipple> This GStreamer plugin permits decoding of MPEG 1 audio layer III
[06:37] <IntuitiveNipple> streams.  It is derived from the ISO MPEG dist10 reference package."
[06:38] <IntuitiveNipple> mosno, it'd help if more ppl confirm it ( Bug #140585 )
[06:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140585 in gsynaptics "[gnome-mouse-properties]  Sensitivity doesn't affect touchpad" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140585
[06:38] <pwnguin> im not sure what that means
[06:38] <Ahmuck> a filter in add/remove programs of kubuntu that would allow you to filter by popularity would be nice
[06:38] <pwnguin> its in universe
[06:39] <pwnguin> so either they're guilty of being bad or not
[06:39] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: well anything that is an International Standard Organisation reference, can't be patent encumbered
[06:39] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: so the question is, why isnt it in the default install?
[06:41] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: read this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014419.html
[06:41] <IntuitiveNipple> this is the 1st one: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-January/014418.html
[06:43] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: it's already in universe though. fluendo doesnt care whether you put it in universe or main
[06:43] <pwnguin> so i have to imagine that has been taken care of
[06:43] <CountX> has anyone gotten thier webcam to work on stickam.com?
[06:43] <CountX> cause i sure as hell cant
[06:44] <IntuitiveNipple> that thread shows that the issue isn't patents (if the source code remains under the MIT license), the issue is linking non-GPLed code
[06:44] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: i never said patents, you did
[06:45] <IntuitiveNipple> I know... that explains why it can be in universe, but not installed by default
[06:46] <pwnguin> how?
[06:46] <IntuitiveNipple> the MP3 decoder is exempt from patent licensing as it is kept under MIT license, but can't be linked with the GPL code for distribution, only by end-users
[06:46] <pwnguin> you have a very strange definition of linked
[06:46] <IntuitiveNipple> GPL only applies to distribution remember, not end users
[06:47] <IntuitiveNipple> read the thread, the Canonical/Ubuntu devs+legal worked it out
[06:48] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: http://www.linux.com/articles/51281
[06:49] <pwnguin> the thread had like 3 posts in it
[06:52] <pwnguin> also, it's a bit disingenous to write an article on linux.com on a debate you particpated in
[06:52] <pwnguin> as mr willis did
[06:54] <CountX> can anyone real quickly plz tell me how to add dll's to wine
[06:54] <CountX> is it in the .wine folder?
[06:54] <mosno> brb, testing gsynaptics for the bug verify...
[06:54] <h1st0> CountX: yes the .wine folder is like the c: on a windows machine.  You need to register the dlls though I believe.
[06:54] <pwnguin> man, this list archive is crap at threading conversations
[06:54] <h1st0> CountX: the people in #winehq may be able to help you more than anyone here.
[06:55] <h1st0> pwnguin: all of them are
[06:55] <pwnguin> gmail's pretty good at it
[07:01] <mosno> ok i updated https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/140585 , even though what i was initially talking about was a different thing i realised :)
[07:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140585 in gsynaptics "[gnome-mouse-properties]  Sensitivity doesn't affect touchpad" [Low,Confirmed] 
[07:01] <mosno> d'uh
[07:02] <CountX> dude i cant download anything
[07:02] <CountX> firefox crashes
[07:02] <CountX> this blows
[07:03] <gnomefreak> turn off compiz/desktop-effect and than see if its crashes if it does try running firefox -safe-mode and see if it crashes
[07:04] <gnomefreak> ok off to bed night
[07:04] <Frogzoo> CountX: uninstall flash, & see if it crashes..
[07:05] <CountX> still crashes
[07:05] <CountX> even with safe mode
[07:05] <pwnguin> CountX: can you run it from a terminal and see if there's any hints as to why it crashes?
[07:05] <CountX> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[07:06] <pwnguin> on startup?
[07:06] <pwnguin> or after doing something?
[07:06] <CountX> no when i try and download anything
[07:06] <gnomefreak> make sure you are not running compiz/ect... than try it
[07:06] <CountX> how do i disable compiz without it crashing
[07:06] <pwnguin> CountX: pref->appearances
[07:06] <pwnguin> there
[07:06] <pwnguin> 's a desktop effects tab
[07:07] <gnomefreak> if it still crashes please file a bug using firefoxes help report a bug (this is important that you do it this way
[07:08] <pwnguin> is compiz known to make firefox crash?
[07:08] <underwatercow> How do you kill the compiz effects?
[07:08] <gnomefreak> and give me the bug number and ill look at it tomorrow (just type gnomefreak: bug number
[07:08] <gnomefreak> underwatercow: go to apperences and click on no effects
[07:08] <gnomefreak> night all
[07:08] <IntuitiveNipple> Usually it's plugins and bad profiles
[07:08] <underwatercow> gnomefreak: can I kill it by terminal? I don't want to disable it, I just think it's what is messing up wine
[07:09] <IntuitiveNipple> underwatercow: blank windows ?
[07:10] <CountX> ok now all my font is like super small
[07:10] <CountX> and i cant read barely
[07:10] <underwatercow> IntuitiveNipple: No, when the game runs full screen, the gnome menus stay on top. I tried again later and the game ran fine... I think it was because compiz dies randomly and it happened to not be running
[07:10] <IntuitiveNipple> ahhh... I wish I could get the gnome menu to stay on top :)
[07:11] <underwatercow> IntuitiveNipple: No you don't, lol... it messes up the game and makes it near impossible to play
[07:11] <IntuitiveNipple> The drawers expand behind windows but they're still clickable :p
[07:11] <IntuitiveNipple> I have to play pin the mouse on the donkey :)
[07:12] <underwatercow> why is it that compiz dies randomly anyway?
[07:12] <underwatercow> is that a bug?
[07:12] <IntuitiveNipple> It's been stable for me... what hardware are you using it with?
[07:13] <underwatercow> Nvidia 8800GTS
[07:15] <underwatercow> want any other hardware specs in particular?
[07:15] <IntuitiveNipple> It is stable on this Vaios 7600
[07:16] <pwnguin> the 80 series is rather unstable i hear
[07:16] <IntuitiveNipple> But I think I've seem some comments about nvidia drivers being unstable for 8xxx series
[07:16] <pwnguin> something about petitions asking for money back or vista drivers
[07:17] <underwatercow> lol
[07:17] <IntuitiveNipple> Amazing how nvidia would rather continue to get it in the neck for buggy drivers, and the cost that entails, than release open source specifications
[07:17] <underwatercow> I'm STILL waiting for creative to release drives
[07:17] <underwatercow> drivers
[07:17] <underwatercow> for their X-Fi
[07:17] <underwatercow> supposed to be out this month or next
[07:20] <CountX> all my font is tiny
[07:20] <CountX> how do i make it bigger
[07:20] <CountX> help! :O
[07:21] <pwnguin> bug #140540
[07:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[07:21] <CountX> my theme is also gone
[07:23] <CountX> the suggestion on there doesnt do anything
[07:25] <underwatercow> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/1
[07:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 1 in ubuntu "Microsoft has a majority market share" [Critical,In progress] 
[07:26] <underwatercow> lol
[07:26] <underwatercow> that's a good bug
[07:26] <winbond> can i create a s link file within dolphin?
[07:27] <CountX> how can i fix the font
[07:27] <CountX> its way to small
[07:27] <CountX> almost too small to read
[07:29] <CountX> the font dpi is at 96
[07:29] <CountX> am i just effed
[07:29] <underwatercow> why can't I see anything on my terminal?
[07:30] <underwatercow> the font is small?
[07:31] <CountX> all my font is small...
[07:31] <CountX> and my theme is messed up
[07:31] <CountX> i think i fudged gnome
[07:31] <CountX> somehow
[07:31] <CountX> its my fault
[07:31] <Xemanth> CountX: i just updated my xubuntu gutsy and noticed weird change of fonts
[07:32] <Xemanth> my fonts went way too big =)
[07:32] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: try deleting the /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi key
[07:32] <CountX> how
[07:33] <CountX> sry, im new to linux
[07:34] <IntuitiveNipple> Alt+F2 then the command "gconftool -u /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi"
[07:34] <underwatercow> why did my terminal suddenly get a small font? it was fine a second ago?
[07:34] <IntuitiveNipple> If that doesn't help snap them back to size, you've got another problem entirely
[07:34] <IntuitiveNipple> underwatercow: bug #140540
[07:34] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[07:34] <tazgodx> can anyone help me install drivers for my wireless card D-Link DWL-520+ on gutsy?
[07:34] <CountX> how do i know if that works
[07:35] <CountX> its still the same
[07:35] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: Then it didn't! If it had, the font-size would have changed immediately
[07:35] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: So add it back: Alt+F2 then "gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96"
[07:36] <CountX> ok
[07:37] <CountX> its still very small
[07:37] <CountX> and my theme is still gone
[07:37] <CountX> but the window borders are still working] 
[07:37] <underwatercow> thanks, fixed now... it was caused by an update?
[07:37] <IntuitiveNipple> Did you alter the default theme, or is it that that has gone?
[07:37] <CountX> no
[07:37] <CountX> i had a linsta them
[07:37] <CountX> theme
[07:38] <IntuitiveNipple> Does the default theme work okay?
[07:38] <CountX> no
[07:38] <CountX> its like the matacity theme or something
[07:38] <CountX> its very blocky and edgy
[07:39] <CountX> the gtk theme isnt applying at all
[07:40] <CountX> its as if i have a 37inch screen squeezed on my 15in laptop
[07:40] <pwnguin> not everyone's dpi is 96
[07:41] <pwnguin> CountX: what resolution is that 15 inch screen?
[07:41] <CountX> well its a widescreen, 1440x900
[07:42] <CountX> so i think its a 17in
[07:42] <CountX> diagonal
[07:42] <pwnguin> thats a pretty important number
[07:42] <CountX> really?
[07:42] <CountX> if you told me i would believe it, thats how little i know and how much i trust the uibuntu irc channel
[07:43] <CountX> i owe my life to some of the people on here
[07:43] <pwnguin> well, dpi is pixels over inches
[07:43] <pwnguin> 15 is smaller than 17 by enough to make a difference
[07:43] <CountX> i wish i would've copied down the handles of the people who have helped me
[07:44] <CountX> it was fine just before i restarted
[07:44] <winbond> does anyone have the gnash plugin for firefox workin at all?
[07:44] <CountX> i got a bunch of updates, then i restarted, and wham its all small
[07:44] <tazgodx> can anyone help me install drivers for my wireless card D-Link DWL-520+ on gutsy?
[07:44] <CountX> winbond: no i just installed flash
[07:45] <winbond> CountX, , doesnt the terminal have an option to increase font size?
[07:45] <CountX> ive had no luck with wireless
[07:45] <CountX> winbond: im too new to know
[07:46] <winbond> CountX, im using kubuntu ,so dont know what in gnome
[07:46] <CountX> ok wait
[07:46] <winbond> CountX, but try settings/font
[07:46] <CountX> there was a couple error boxes hiding behind a window
[07:46] <CountX> one about cpu scaling unsupported
[07:47] <CountX> and the other was there was an error with starting the gnome settings daemon
[07:47] <winbond> CountX, do u have a overclocked pc?
[07:47] <CountX> The settings daemon restarted too many times.
[07:47] <CountX> winbond: no
[07:47] <CountX> winbond: i only do that with my desktop because i can buy fans for it
[07:48] <CountX> im going to restart and see if that helps
[07:48] <CountX> it says it will try to restart the gnome settings daemon next login
[07:49] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: the settings-daemon error would stop gconfd from being used to get the settings, which would explain your problems
[07:51] <CountX> ok that fixed it
[07:51] <CountX> just a couple restarts
[07:51] <IntuitiveNipple> good :)
[07:52] <CountX> weee
[07:52] <CountX> :D
[07:52] <CountX> im happy now man
[07:52] <CountX> BORG
[07:53] <CountX> you better not say 'i"
[07:53] <CountX> i will call you on that
[07:58] <Xemanth> i've really weird problem
[07:58] <Xemanth> my external lacie harddrive doesn't automount in kubuntu after start
[07:58] <Xemanth> i need to switch it off and then put back on that kde notices it
[08:01] <fulio> Hi my desktop effects doesnt work, when ever i try to enable it , it says Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[08:02] <Xemanth> hmm-m actually now even doing off&on doesn't mount it
[08:02] <Xemanth> or notice it
[08:04] <Reaby> i got also some really weird problems after todays update
[08:04] <Reaby> check launchpad if somebody else has same bug
[08:05] <Xemanth> Reaby: what kind of problems?
[08:05] <Reaby> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-terminal/+bug/140611
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140611 in gnome-terminal "terminal window opens up either too wide or too small, then text is not visible (dup-of: 140540)" [Undecided,New] 
[08:05] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Confirmed] 
[08:05] <winbond> can i report a bug here?
[08:06] <Xemanth> thought you were talking about my hdd problem
[08:06] <Xemanth> winbond: no
[08:06] <Xemanth> winbond: https://bugs.launchpad.ne
[08:06] <Xemanth> winbond: https://bugs.launchpad.net
[08:06] <Reaby> Xemanth: nope
[08:06] <Reaby> i assume you have tried forums allready
[08:07] <fulio> Hi my desktop effects doesnt work, when ever i try to enable it , it says Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[08:08] <Xemanth> Reaby: yeah tried to search, its weird that problem doesn't occur on my laptop but it occurs on normal pc :|
[08:09] <Xemanth> i have two kubuntu gutsy computers
[08:09] <Reaby> have you checked dmesg, if kernel recognizes new usb periherial
[08:10] <Reaby> replug hd and check dmesg
[08:10] <IntuitiveNipple> Xemanth: do you have other USB devices connected to other ports on the same internal hub? If so, it could be a power starvation issue if the external drive isn't self-powered
[08:10] <Xemanth> yeah  founds
[08:10] <Xemanth> IntuitiveNipple: it has external power
[08:10] <IntuitiveNipple> ok, not that then :)
[08:10] <Reaby> so kernel founds it, but kde not..
[08:11] <Xemanth> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37760/
[08:11] <jscinoz> Is there anyway to control which channel the mute command either from rightclicking the volume applet or from a multimedia key mutes? Currently it mutes "Front" but i want it to mute PCM, any ideas?
[08:12] <Xemanth> Reaby: check my paste
[08:13] <winbond> how can i search through bugs to see if a problem was already reported?
[08:13] <IntuitiveNipple> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/
[08:14] <Reaby> Xemanth: done, i'm actually searching forums for automount, problem could be also in udev..
[08:14] <Reaby> or fstab
[08:14] <Reaby> not sure tho..
[08:14] <IntuitiveNipple> Xemanth: check the syslog (System > Administration > System Log
[08:15] <IntuitiveNipple> You might check the debug log too, in case of errors
[08:16] <Xemanth> yeah
[08:17] <IntuitiveNipple> compare the logs from the PC that does work, with the one that doesn't, and try to identify where they diverge
[08:17] <wayg>  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/
[08:17] -wayg:#ubuntu+1-  http://st-pitch.miniville.fr/
[08:19] <Xemanth> IntuitiveNipple: yop
[08:21] <Reaby> Xemanth: worth checking, tho it's for gnome: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingRemovableDevices
[08:23] <Xemanth> i might have figured something out hmm-m, i'll tell after i have booted my comp
[08:23] <Reaby> k
[08:28] <Xemanth> nope, though that problem occured in one usb port... but didn't help changing to different connector
[08:28] <Xemanth> thought*
[08:28] <Reaby> jscinoz: try System -> Settings -> Sound --> at bottom there is mixer default channels, you should be able to select there.
[08:32] <Xemanth> at least now when i connect the hdd to usb kde finds it... but in boot its not automatically mounted
[08:32] <jscinoz> Reaby, cheers
[08:38] <Reaby> just hope that console problem gets solved fast.
[08:47] <Reaby> console problem is definetly font releated, i changed default fonts from sans to lucida sans, and console window doesn't appear to desktop
[08:47] <Reaby> :)
[09:02] <pwnguin> ok. totem doesn't turn off dpms
[09:02] <pwnguin> there's a bug in launchpad about it
[09:03] <RAOF> pwnguin: Using Xgl?
[09:03] <pwnguin> in relation to totem?
[09:03] <RAOF> Or just in general.
[09:03] <pwnguin> im using compiz
[09:03] <pwnguin> i havent gone out of my way to use xgl
[09:03] <pwnguin> or aiglx
[09:03] <pwnguin> so whatever came easiest is what im using
[09:04] <pwnguin> did you want me to test something, or weree you attempting to help with what i brought up?
[09:05] <pwnguin> anyways, the point is, someone said it was fixable via turning off dpms permantently
[09:06] <pwnguin> and someoene else marked it against xorg and not gnome
[09:07] <pwnguin> is it bad ettique to assume that launchpad is the only place to discuss a bug, and revert the assignments?
[09:07] <RAOF> No, I don't think so.
[09:08] <RAOF> pwnguin: Do you have xserver-xgl installed?
[09:08] <RAOF> If you do, you've got it running.
[09:08] <pwnguin> RAOF: i highly doubt it
[09:08] <pwnguin> nvidida
[09:09] <pwnguin> nope
[09:09] <RAOF> You might want to check.  Maybe you installed it sometime in the past?
[09:09] <pwnguin> not running
[09:09] <pwnguin> just the one x server
[09:10] <RAOF> Ok.  So this bug isn't my problem then :)
[09:10] <pwnguin> ah, heh
[09:10] <pwnguin> im pretty sure its not
[09:10] <pwnguin> bug 30969
[09:10] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 30969 in xorg "monitor goes to standby when playing a movie in totem fullscreen" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/30969
[09:10] <pwnguin> mplayer manages to stop dpms
[09:11] <pwnguin> (it also manages to permenently end gnome-screensaver)
[09:11] <winbond> did anyone get the gnash working with firefox?
[09:11] <RAOF> pwnguin: Really?  That's... suboptimal.
[09:11] <pwnguin> RAOF: indeed
[09:11] <pwnguin> but there's many flaws with totem as well
[09:11] <pwnguin> subtitles blink on
[09:11] <pwnguin> it doens't respect \n in subtitles
[09:11] <pwnguin> or {}
[09:12] <nurettin> hello
[09:12] <pwnguin> which are usually used as comments
[09:12] <nurettin> i am using gutsy
[09:12] <nurettin> 7.10
[09:12] <pwnguin> excellent
[09:12] <pwnguin> is it working well?
[09:12] <nurettin> in the morning come to me updates for gnome
[09:13] <nurettin> and i installed this updates but i can open terminal
[09:14] <pwnguin> nurettin: i only know english, so i hope you can translate this back okay
[09:14] <nurettin> but the letters not viewing.
[09:14] <pwnguin> ah
[09:14] <pwnguin> different bug than i was thinking
[09:14] <nurettin> i want uninstall morning updates how can i  do
[09:14] <pwnguin> nurettin: we dont do that in testing
[09:15] <pwnguin> there is, however, a fix
[09:15] <pwnguin> bug #140540
[09:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in gnome-control-center "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[09:15] <nurettin> how can i do fix
[09:16] <pwnguin> that url tells you how
[09:19] <nurettin_> gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[09:21] <Reaby> pwnguin: totem doesn't understand any other encoding than utf-8 in subtitles, just convert subs to that, fixed many problems for me
[09:22] <nurettin_> very thank you
[09:22] <nurettin_> my problem was resolved.
[09:22] <nurettin_> my console is running very good.
[09:27] <winbond> whats the command to check if an app has all the dependencies installed?
[09:35] <Reaby> actually, my bad, you can actually change encoding in totem
[09:36] <Reaby> must be new feature, or then i haven't just noticed it before
[09:39] <riri> Hi
[09:40] <slytherin> riri: hi
[09:40] <riri> adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel crashes all the time
[09:41] <riri> it starts well
[09:41] <riri> but when closing adept for looking updates it crashes in the shell
[09:42] <pwnguin> Reaby: its not a text encoding issue
[09:42] <Reaby> ach
[09:43] <pwnguin> nurettin_: please be sure to report any other issues you find -- with release coming out soon, it's best to get bugs fixed rather than leave em broken!
[09:43] <pwnguin> Reaby: it's just that {} are used for translator notes
[09:43] <slytherin> riri: File a bug. :-)
[09:43] <pwnguin> and totem doesn't care
[09:43] <pwnguin> neither does vlc
[09:44] <Reaby> ach
[09:44] <Reaby> ok
[09:44] <riri> oj
[09:44] <riri> ok
[09:44] <pwnguin> apparently a fansub group went to the effort to totally break a release just to prove a point
[09:44] <riri> i already did it
[09:45] <riri> but sometimes they find an issue and another bug comes ! lol
[09:45] <riri> i don't really need it
[09:46] <riri> but it's to have a clean command
[09:47] <riri> i don't find any valid tutorial on compiz-fusion ? do you know one ?
[09:47] <riri> frames disapear
[09:49] <riri> otherswise i am quiete happy with gutsy
[09:49] <riri> kde4beta2 doesn't seem much better than one...
[09:50] <jussi01> !compiz | riri
[09:50] <ubotu> riri: Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[09:51] <riri> thanks
[09:51] <jussi01> riri: there is a how to at that link
[09:52] <riri> compiz doesn't work
[09:53] <riri> this morning gutsy updates a lot
[09:53] <riri> and apparently my nvidia drivers (gf5200) was updated because i see the logo now
[09:58] <nurettin_> hello
[09:59] <nurettin_> sometimes my wireless network opening when log in session sometimes not opening why
[09:59] <nurettin_> thank you.
[09:59] <ohsonorrisy> Eek, can't anyone help me? I think I f'ed something up.
[10:00] <slytherin> ohsonorrisy: Sorry to ask again, what is the problem?
[10:00] <ohsonorrisy> I, stupidly, installed gtk-theme-switch, played with some themes, and now GDM loads to a black screen.
[10:00] <ohsonorrisy> Xorg is fine (the NVIDIA splash is still coming up)
[10:01] <slytherin> ohsonorrisy: oops, no idea.
[10:03] <_4strO> fi there
[10:17] <ohsonorrisy> Can anyone help me with GDM?
[10:17] <h1st0> What is the problem with gdm
[10:18] <ohsonorrisy> As of right now: Black screen. I can login, the panels flash for a second, the desktop turns back but I can still see the mouse pointer
[10:18] <ohsonorrisy> Xorg is fine.
[10:18] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: try looking in /etc/gdm/gdm.conf
[10:19] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: you may be able to change the theme from there.  Or you can boot to recovery mode and startx
[10:21] <ohsonorrisy> Okay, I got my desktop to come up. But I can't open Appearence
[10:23] <ohsonorrisy> This has something to do with GTK2, but I'm not sure what the conflict is.
[10:26] <h1st0> What were you doing when it broke?
[10:26] <ohsonorrisy> Trying to install a theme.
[10:27] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: I had that problem but it would atleast default to human in gusty.
[10:27] <ohsonorrisy> It isn't defaulting for some reason or another.
[10:27] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: So you got to working again but appearence wont' open?
[10:27] <ohsonorrisy> Yes
[10:28] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: login manager config is under adminstration > Login Window
[10:29] <ohsonorrisy> I didn't have any trouble logging in.
[10:29] <jscinoz> Azureus + Gutsy = :'(
[10:29] <ohsonorrisy> And it let me access the login manager
[10:29] <ohsonorrisy> jscinoz - I've had no trouble using Azureus in Gutsy
[10:29] <jscinoz> Under gutsy, if there are any files in ~/.azureus/logs azureus crashes on startup, and if you try to few the detailed torrent information the whole thing crashes
[10:29] <jscinoz> ohsonorrisy, can you help me fix it? what errors should i pastebin?
[10:30] <ohsonorrisy> jscinoz: I'll help you as soon as I can figure out whatever is going on with me
[10:30] <jscinoz> alrighty
[10:32] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: so the login window is working now correct?
[10:32] <ohsonorrisy> I never had a problem with the login window.
[10:33] <ohsonorrisy> I could get to the login window, login, then the desktop wouldn't load correctly.
[10:33] <leperkhanz> Anyone want to help me figure out why every time I log on I get a .dmrc error, and then subsequently do not have direct rendering?
[10:34] <leperkhanz> Is there something I can uninstall and reinstall to fix it?
[10:37] <marek`> hey
[10:38] <marek`> how come openoffice doesnt correct my spelling
[10:38] <marek`> even when i click spell check
[10:38] <marek`> it always says that words are no words are misspelled
[10:42] <h1st0> ohsonorrisy: oh well then you didnt' have a problem with gdm
[10:50] <ohsonorrisy> I logged into GNOME fail-safe and still I can't access apperance
[10:50] <ohsonorrisy> Something is themeing the panels still.
[10:59] <ohsonorrisy> Where are themes installed to?
[11:03] <nikolam> Hello
[11:03] <nikolam> Openoffice does not work for me,
[11:04] <Jowi> can someone verify if package "etoile" is in gutsy universe?
[11:04] <nikolam> Even for 7.04 after upgrades, and also not for Tribe5 with all newes updates!
[11:04] <nikolam> But I can use Ooo as unpriviledged user account no2
[11:04] <Hobbsee> Jowi: it is
[11:04] <Hobbsee> binaries are: wildmenus.app, dictionaryreader.app, camaelon.app, wildmenus.bundle, camaelon-data
[11:05] <nikolam> E.g. every user account that is used for administrative purposes cant use Ooo
[11:05] <Jowi> Hobbsee, strange that ubotu didn't find it. Was thinking about trying etoile but it seems only gutsy have the base requirements.
[11:05] <Hobbsee> Jowi: it probably looks by binaries, not source.
[11:06] <Jowi> Hobbsee, ah, good point. cheers.
[11:06] <nikolam> Jowi: U can use packages.ubuntu.org for search
[11:06] <nikolam> So , is Ooo working for you?
[11:06] <Jowi> nikolam, yeah, but I was lazy and already logged into freenode :)
[11:07] <Jowi> is anyone running gutsy on intel core duo man-mini in here?
[11:07] <Jowi> s/man-mini/mac-mini
[11:08] <nikolam> Nope, but I heard that you need apple software for that. Boot camp I suppose or so. U can use both MacOS and Linux then
[11:09] <Jowi> nikolam, nah. I boot edgy on one right now. no need for apple software if you want to run a pure ubuntu setup. just create an MBR partition and off you go.
[11:10] <Jowi> only needed for dualboot. bootcamp for Win+drivers or rEFIt for dualboot linux.
[11:10] <nikolam> That `s great, But It you want to also have MacoS and windblows and Linux? :))
[11:10] <nikolam> Ok
[11:11] <Jowi> actually I have XP installed on it (dualbooting using GRUB the normal way) but I have only used it once to test. and i didn't like OSX.
[11:11] <nikolam> So is Ooo (open office) working for anyone (anyone)? :)
[11:12] <nikolam> Jowi: nicce :) But it seems rather silly to buy expensive laptop like Apple.
[11:13] <nikolam> And not to have Macos around.
[11:14] <nikolam> So, does OpenOffice.org work at you there, guys?
[11:14] <Jowi> it's a mac-mini. I bought it for the hardware, not the software. It's tiny, silent, low energy consumption (important features for a home server that is on 24/7).
[11:14] <Jowi> especially important when wife a kid runs around the server-room/living-room ;-)
[11:15] <nikolam> Jowi: I think it is wise thing for home machine. i myself love when comp. is silent and small :) Great.
[11:15] <pwnguin> anyone with a laptop?
[11:15] <pwnguin> gnome-power-manager seems to only black the display
[11:16] <pwnguin> rather than turn off the backlight
[11:17] <Jowi> nikolam, yep. and bonus feature that it runs ubuntu that my wife can't live without. I installed Hoary for her after her Win install blew up and she's been a linux (desktop only) user ever since.
[11:18] <Jowi> anyway. gonna download gutsy to try it out. makes a nice project for tonight.
[11:18] <Jowi> see y'all later (in gutsy i hope)
[11:18] <nikolam> I reely dont need windblows for desktop use anymore. I there isnt games or some specialized apps like autocad or photoshop, most users would switch to linux permanently. Desktop is here :)
[11:19] <nikolam> Gutsy is not Stable.
[11:19] <nikolam> use at your own risk.
[11:19] <Jowi> that's obvious. :)
[11:19] <nikolam> Could install on separate partition or try to run it in xen..
[11:19] <pwnguin> nikolam: it's too bad certain developers want to push compiz
[11:19] <pwnguin> when it interacts poorly with gl apps
[11:20] <Jowi> yeah. XP I never use anyway so I will use that partition.
[11:20] <nikolam> Jowi: And games? :)
[11:21] <nikolam> I have separate partition for /boot and i needed to backup files from it before installing gutsy.
[11:22] <nikolam> gutsy needs to erase /boot partition if it is on separate partition. then I got back backup kernels from old /boot and added /boot/grub/menu.lst portion for 7.04
[11:38] <h1st0> You could tell it not to install grub nikolam
[11:39] <Tak4> hey people
[11:39] <Tak4> active people here ? =)
[11:40] <h1st0> yeah] 
[11:40] <Tak4> lol
[11:40] <Tak4> :d
[11:40] <Tak4> tell me people i'm looking for some help
[11:40] <Tak4> I've got a bug i already had with edgy but I don't know how to fix
[11:41] <h1st0> What is the bug
[11:41] <Tak4> I run with a nvidia graphic card
[11:41] <Tak4> and with dual screen
[11:41] <h1st0> !enter | Tak4
[11:41] <ubotu> Tak4: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[11:42] <Tak4> excuse me, wrong habitude. so, all is quite alright but I can't launch gnome-terminal
[11:42] <h1st0> Do you get any errors?
[11:43] <Tak4> hm I'ven't already to launch it in another space
[11:43] <Tak4> i'll try
[11:44] <Tak4> please where can I paste the error I get ?
[11:44] <h1st0> !paste | Tak4
[11:44] <ubotu> Tak4: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:45] <Tak4> thanks
[11:45] <Tak4> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37770/
[11:46] <Tak4> I know (I believe) it's a RandR problem with nvidia driver and gnome-term, I remember it was the same with edgy, but no idea of how fixing it
[11:46] <Tak4> (I believed that nvidia driver was now "compatible" witht RandR ...)
[11:47] <Tak4> no-one to have an indication ? : / ?
[11:49] <h1st0> Tak4: what drivers are you using?
[11:49] <Tak4> nvidia-glx
[11:49] <Tak4> do you think I may try Nouveau driver ?
[11:50] <h1st0> What nvidia card do you have?
[11:52] <pwnguin> nvidia and nv are randr compatible
[11:52] <pwnguin> i know because im writing a patch to make nv "more" compatible
[11:53] <h1st0> Tak4: I would file a post on the forums.  For a discussion and file a bug.
[11:54] <Tak4> pwnguin: not with dualscreen
[11:54] <Tak4> ok h1st0 thanks I'll try to do this : /
[11:54] <pwnguin> Tak4: indeed
[11:54] <Tak4> thanks anyway :)
[11:54] <pwnguin> launchpad might be a better place to start
[11:55] <pwnguin> no sense waiting for a forum discussion if there's already developer activity logged in lp
[11:57] <Tak4> pwnguin: I'm not really looking for a patch, more for a solution
[12:07] <nikolam> It seems that my xubuntu desktop is upgradeable from 2.41 to 2.46 but It is grayed in update manager. What it means when it`s grayed?
[12:13] <rojanu> Hi! yesterday after an update fonts on some apps are not readable
[12:13] <Jordan_U> rojanu, Have you checked launchpad for bugs already filed?
[12:14] <rojanu> no,
[12:14] <rojanu> but I searched the forums
[12:20] <rojanu> did a search nothing
[12:20] <sylverfox> hi all
[12:21] <sylverfox> I have a problem with the terminal in Gutsy, am I in the good place to ask for help?
[12:22] <jussi01> sylverfox: yes, ask away
[12:22] <sylverfox> my font type became unreadable
[12:22] <sylverfox> it's too small
[12:23] <sylverfox> I even can't see it
[12:23] <sylverfox> just a point blinking
[12:23] <sylverfox> (?cursor?)
[12:23] <jussi01> sylverfox: have you looked in the terminal settings? ( i assume you are talking about gnome terminal)
[12:23] <sylverfox> yes
[12:24] <sylverfox> I can give any parameters at font
[12:24] <sylverfox> the situation remains the same
[12:24] <jussi01> sylverfox: also you should take note of what it says in the topic...
[12:24] <sylverfox> I can't use the commands
[12:25] <sylverfox> because the terminal is unusable
[12:25] <sylverfox> other problems I didn't meet
[12:26] <Trewas> bug 140540 has already 15 duplicates so the current font problems are known
[12:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[12:26] <rojanu> sylverfox: i had the same problem please do (ALT+F2) and type gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[12:27] <sylverfox> woau
[12:27] <sylverfox> what a great place to be
[12:27] <sylverfox> it's ok now
[12:27] <sylverfox> thnaks rojanu
[12:27] <sylverfox> :-)
[12:28] <jussi01> :)
[12:28] <jussi01> glad you got helped
[12:29] <sylverfox> I have a nother question
[12:29] <sylverfox> should I use apt-get autoremove anytime
[12:29] <sylverfox> ?
[12:30] <sylverfox> it won't damage my system?
[12:30] <sylverfox> will only remove unusable packages?
[12:35] <sylverfox> thanks all
[12:35] <sylverfox> bye
[12:37] <Spads> HALP.  I can't run gnome-terminal because the fonts seem to be not there.  Everything else seems to work except the font selection dialog.  I'm absolutely on the latest goats^H^H^H^H^Hgutsy
[12:38] <Hobbsee> Spads: https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540 ?
[12:38] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released] 
[12:39] <jussi01> Spads: run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[12:39] <jussi01> that will fix it
[12:39] <miki> and i heve problem with  terminal in gutsy , i start use xterm
[12:39] <jussi01> just alt+f2 it
[12:39] <jussi01> miki: run that command i just gave to Spads
[12:40] <Spads> jussi01: genius, thanks.
[12:40] <jussi01> :)
[12:42] <Hobbsee> Spads: btw, thanks in advance for making the VOIP support at UDS boston rock, so that it's usable for us who are not there.
[12:43] <miki> jussi01:thanks
[12:43] <Spads> Hobbsee: That'll be Ng, actually :)  He and I trade off UDSes so we each do one a year.  I was Seville, and he was Mountain View.
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Spads: ahhh....
[12:44] <Hobbsee> Spads: oh yes, and you did paris.  right.
[12:45] <Spads> actually I was still living in the US during Paris
[12:45] <Spads> that was all elmo back then
[12:45] <Spads> and to be fair he does more than a little at all UDSes
[12:47] <Hobbsee> Spads: i could have sworn that it was you helping me out with the VOIP for paris..
[12:47] <Hobbsee> hiya Ng
[12:47] <Ng> Hobbsee: hey :)
[12:48] <Spads> Hobbsee: I promise you I was in Oakland, California then.
[12:48] <Hobbsee> hmm
[12:59] <rojanu> is anybody using NVIDIA drivers?
[01:01] <jussi01> !anyone | rojanu
[01:01] <ubotu> rojanu: A large amount of the first questions asked in this channel start with "Does anyone/anybody..."  Why not ask your next question (the real one) and find out?
[01:02] <jussi01> rojanu: there are a great many people using them. what do you want to ask?
[01:03] <rojanu> well here we go then, I am having problems with the nvidia driver, I get a chessboard like disturbed squares all over my screen
[01:05] <rojanu> have look at it here http://malinux.homelinux.com/apache2-default/
[01:09] <rocky> just checking before i go looking... are there known font problems in recent gutsy ?
[01:09] <rocky> as of yesterday, my fonts are really messed up ;)
[01:10] <rojanu> rock, run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[01:10] <gnubuntu> rojanu: how old is your nvidia graphic card? looks like a hardware problem.
[01:11] <rocky> rojanu: actually... i think my dpi is supposed to be much higher than 96 ... i'm running 1900x1200 res on a 15.4" laptop display
[01:11] <rocky> how can i calculate what my font should be
[01:11] <rocky> err... what my dpi should be?
[01:13] <jussi01> rojanu: you sure your cable is plugged in all the way?
[01:14] <rojanu> jussi01: I am sure because now I switched back to nv and wosks OK
[01:14] <jussi01> ahah
[01:15] <jussi01> rojanu: what model is your card?
[01:15] <rojanu> 06:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation GeForce 8600 GTS (rev a1)
[01:19] <JDahl> did someone else experience problems with gnome-terminal after the latest upgrade?  The window size is *tiny*,  and CTRL++ doesn't seem to work
[01:19] <jussi01> rojanu: the 8600 gt isnt supported by the restricted driver
[01:19] <jussi01> JDahl: run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[01:19] <jussi01> from alt+f2
[01:19] <rocky> that command fixed my fonts just nicely, thanks all
[01:20] <jussi01> :)
[01:20] <rojanu> jussi01: it was working ok until an update about a week ago, I think it has something to do with xorg server not the driver
[01:20] <rocky> but here's a new question... over the past several weeks i've found that when i log into gnome on my laptop my eth0 is configured properly by NetworkManager (that is i have an ip, and i can access local LAN resources) but routing or something similar is messed up as i can't access the internet ...
[01:20] <rocky> does this sound familiar to anyone?
[01:20] <rojanu> but can't quite put my finger on it!!!
[01:21] <jussi01> rojanu: weird, because the wiki says that card is not supported...
[01:21] <jussi01> !ati | rojanu
[01:21] <ubotu> rojanu: To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[01:21] <JDahl> thanks!
[01:22] <jussi01> JDahl: :)
[01:23] <rojanu> I have checked on NVIDIA web site and it is supported by the driver version I am using - Version: 100.14.11
[01:23] <jussi01> rojanu: thats weird. I dont know then. sorry. ( i run ati)
[01:24] <rocky> ok can someone explain to me what "Enable roaming mode" is for on a device in network settings?
[01:25] <JDahl> another thing I've noticed since the last upgrade is that tapping my "mouse-area" on the laptop no longer produces mouseclicks - maybe that's actually the "correct" behaviour because I have a bluetooth mouse connected, but it's something new
[01:28] <rojanu> I am not to sure but roaming for network should give you the ability of setting more than one static IP address, but that just a gues
[01:33] <slackern> !upgrade | sander_
[01:33] <stdin> sander_: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu#head-cfa1001afadc3e0b752edf84051ef6a84da864a4 (for Kubuntu)
[01:33] <ubotu> sander_: For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[01:34] <stdin> those instructions are gnomeified :p
[01:34] <slackern> hehe was just wondering if they added a separate bot for kubuntu :)
[01:34] <sander_> how far is kubuntu lagging behind ubuntu?
[01:35] <jussi01> stdin: a bot...lol
[01:35] <stdin> no, my bot's called subot :p
[01:35] <mtfuchs> hi
[01:35] <jussi01> lol
[01:35] <mtfuchs> got a problem installing gutsy tribe 5 amd64 alternate:  The CD-ROM drive contains a CD which cannot be used for installation.
[01:36] <sander_> I mean there are special tools written for ubuntu (like that new xorg config tool) how much of these tools intergrate well with kubuntu?
[01:37] <gnomefreak> mtfuchs: sounds either like a bad cd or a used cd, try new cd and make sure md5sums of the  ISO matches whats on hte site
[01:37] <mtfuchs> ok.
[01:37] <gnomefreak> afaik last nights alternate was too bing to use anyway
[01:38] <stdin> sander_: normally if they are written for gnome (normally with pygtk) then they need to be ported (to use pyqt), so it can be a bit laggy
[01:38] <gnomefreak> they were all > 700mb
[01:38] <mtfuchs> and another quesion as I need to download new anyway: do you suggest using 64 bit or 32 bit?
[01:38] <gnomefreak> mtfuchs: 64 bit now has apps to use flash and stuff but there is still some things that 32 bit can use and 64 cnat
[01:39] <mtfuchs> ok. no speed advantages or something with 64 bit?
[01:39] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, There isn't much that you can't run in a 32 bit chroot though
[01:39] <stdin> for an easy life 32bit, for 4+GB ram and high precision mathematical processing 64bit
[01:39] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: im talking without chroots
[01:40] <Jordan_U> mtfuchs, Not with normal Desktop use or < 4 GIG RAM
[01:40] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, I know
[01:40] <mtfuchs> mh, ok. I have 2 GB RAM now. want to upgrade in the future. what happens with 32 bit and > 4 GB RAM?
[01:41] <stdin> it just won't use all of it, 3.5GB is what (i think) it will use
[01:41] <stdin> unless you recompile the kernel, then it can use 4+GB in 32bit
[01:41] <stdin> don't know the disadvantages of that tho (if any)
[01:41] <mtfuchs> ok. compiling the kernel is no problem at all. have done that for years with gentoo.
[01:42] <mtfuchs> so I will fetch an 32 bit alternate now.
[01:42] <gnomefreak> downside you wont get ubuntu patches for your hand built kernel
[01:42] <sander_> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade" isn't working..
[01:42] <sander_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[01:42] <sander_>   Major opcode:  144
[01:42] <sander_>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:42] <stdin> !paste | sander_
[01:42] <ubotu> sander_: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[01:42] <sander_>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:42] <sander_> Failed to open device
[01:42] <sander_> X Error: BadDevice, invalid or uninitialized input device 167
[01:42] <sander_>   Major opcode:  144
[01:42] <sander_>   Minor opcode:  3
[01:42] <sander_>   Resource id:  0x0
[01:42] <sander_> Failed to open device
[01:42] <sander_> kinda weird
[01:43] <stefg> mtfuchs: even the 32bit *server*-kernel will manage 4 GB
[01:43] <sander_> yeah I know.. sorry!
[01:43] <stdin> that's not an error, ignore it
[01:43] <sander_> well it's not doing anything after that :)
[01:43] <mtfuchs> gnomefreak: I could get the deb src of the ubuntu kernel and change the config then I would have the ubuntu pateches.
[01:44] <gnomefreak> mtfuchs: and you would have to rebuild for every atch added after you built it
[01:44] <gnomefreak> s/atch/patch
[01:44] <stefg> mtfuchs: no, because the linux-source .deb is always outdated. you'd need a git-pull out ouf ubuntus kernel tree
[01:44] <gnomefreak> since we are not done with updates i dont advise it
[01:45] <gnomefreak> stefg: either way he would have to add the new patches and rebuild
[01:45] <stdin> sander_: did you use run: kdesu "adept_manager --dist-upgrade-devel" ?
[01:45] <leperkhanz> anyone else getting rhythmbox crashes?
[01:45] <stefg> mtfuchs: so if you upgrade your ram you could simply switch to the prebuilt *-server images
[01:46] <sander_> kdesu "adept_manager --version-upgrade"
[01:47] <sander_> that's what I tried (as suggested on this website: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyGibbon/Tribe4/Kubuntu#head-cfa1001afadc3e0b752edf84051ef6a84da864a4 )
[01:47] <stdin> sander_: try that command tho
[01:48] <mtfuchs> stefg: do they perform good on the desktop? such things as preemption etc?
[01:49] <zetheroo> will Gutsy have a solution for TV out?
[01:50] <sander_> I did.. same result
[01:50] <jscinoz> Hey guys if i have a choice of using the normal java version or the GCJ version of an application which should i use?
[01:51] <stefg> mtfuchs: haven't had much opportunity to test that. i assume they are not overoptimzed for big iron, because 4GB on the desktop isn't such a rare usage scenario these days
[01:51] <jscinoz> i have 4gb on my laptop :P
[01:52] <sander_> stdin: for some reason it doesn't even start adapt_manager
[01:52] <sander_> even without these command line parameters
[01:52] <sander_> and this is a fresh install...
[01:52] <sander_> :(
[01:52] <zetheroo> will Gutsy have a solution for TV out?
[01:52] <sander_> launching it from the menu will work
[01:52] <mtfuchs> stefg: ok. not much to worry about then. now I just need to wait another 4 hours to finish downloading.
[01:53] <leperkhanz> How about recording TV.  I still can't vid off of my camera... *sigh*
[01:53] <sander_> zetheroo: It will have xorg 7.3 ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xorg7.3Integration )
[01:54] <stdin> sander_: you may need to have feisty-proposed enabled
[01:54] <sander_> stdin: sorry?
[01:54] <stdin> sander_: the repository 'feisty-proposed'
[01:54] <sander_> will check for that
[01:54] <sander_> tnx
[01:55] <gnomefreak> it will work without adding them
[01:56] <gnomefreak> if it fails it will fail with or without them
[01:56] <sander_> gnomefreak: but why doesn't adept_manager start?
[01:56] <sander_> that's the main problem right now
[01:56] <sander_> I'll try to login again.. perhaps this session is screwed?!
[01:56] <gnomefreak> sander_: off hand how would i know i dont know your error or how you are starting it version numbers ect...
[01:56] <Jordan_U> gnomefreak, You need feisty-proposed to get the newer version of update-manager to be able to upgrade to Gutsy through update-manager
[01:57] <mtfuchs> does gutsy finally support entering passwords for encrypted partitions without leaving usplash?
[01:57] <Jordan_U> mtfuchs, nope, still using usplash
[01:57] <gnomefreak> Jordan_U: the one shipped in main is fine (atleast it is everytime i upgrade to gutsy) its been a few dozen times
[01:57] <Jordan_U> mtfuchs, And I have no idea why
[01:57] <Jordan_U> splashy > usplash in almost every way
[01:57] <mtfuchs> Jordan_U: you mean leaving?
[01:58] <mtfuchs> ah, that you mean.
[01:58] <mtfuchs> I am not interested in which solution it uses just if it leaves usplash for entering a password to decrypt a partition.
[01:58] <gnomefreak> adept isnt the best to use anyway there is an update-manager for kde to upgrade to gutsy last i heard
[02:00] <penguincentral> hi.  i am running 7.10alpha5, and my system is completely updated.  When i go into the terminal, there is no prompt in the window, and the window is smaller than what it normally is.  Can anyone help?
[02:00] <mtfuchs> usplash is only used in ubuntu, or does any other distro use it?
[02:01] <Jordan_U> penguincentral, Please look at already filed bugs in launchpad
[02:01] <penguincentral> Jordan_U, so it's an already known bug?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> penguincentral:  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540 ?
[02:02] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released] 
[02:03] <mtfuchs> can I use an external hdd plugged in via usb to install ubuntu somehow?
[02:03] <soundray> Guys, have you tried opening a Microsoft Office XML file in oowriter and saving it as ODT?
[02:03] <jussi01> penguincentral: just alt + f2 and run this: run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[02:03] <penguincentral> thanks Hobbsee, Jordan_U, ubotu (did you follow me to this room ubotu?)
[02:03] <jussi01> !bot | penguincentral
[02:03] <ubotu> penguincentral: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:03] <sander_> well restarting the x session worked :)
[02:03] <soundray> Fails here with an error writing styles.xml
[02:04] <sander_> hmm except that it couldn't "verify the integrety of the upgrader program"
[02:04] <penguincentral> it's a bloody intelligent bot
[02:07] <jussi01> damn, where is that factoid now...
[02:07] <jaysonsantos> Hi people, after the last update of gusty today, i can't see (they is so small) the fonts of my gnome terminal, exists some config for that ?
[02:08] <jussi01> jaysonsantos: run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[02:08] <jaysonsantos> ussi01, thanks
[02:09] <jussi01> :)
[02:09] <jaysonsantos> My ubuntu detect my ethernet card like a wlan0 not eth0 where is the configuration ?
[02:10] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: ?
[02:11] <FireHazard17> Hobbsee: what?
[02:11] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: why the bot?
[02:11] <FireHazard17> Hobbsee: why not?
[02:11] <penguincentral> hi for those that need a backup terminal, run xterm
[02:12] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: what is it's purpose?
[02:12] <jussi01> penguincentral: why? the fix is provided for the gnome terminal problem...
[02:12] <FireHazard17> Hobbsee: i dont think it has one yet
[02:12] <FireHazard17> Hobbsee: right now i just sent it here to learn some words
[02:13] <penguincentral> jussi01: oh yeah, has gutsy been updated to fix this? the special run command didn't work for me
[02:13] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: bots that make any noise get kickbanned, as usually do their owners.
[02:13] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: especially over multiple channels
[02:13] <jussi01> penguincentral: did you read the bug? it said fix commited iirc
[02:13] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: so be warned.
[02:13] <Jordan_U> FireHazard17, You can use the logs to have it learn new words also
[02:14] <FireHazard17> ...
[02:14] <Jordan_U> FireHazard17, It would be faster too
[02:14] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: and see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:14] <FireHazard17> is set him so he doesn't say anything
[02:16] <jussi01> bug 140540 > penguincentral
[02:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[02:16] <LjL> FireHazard17: as long as he doesn't say anything, ever, he's fine -- but then again, expect people to question you about someone called "Flamebot"
[02:16] <FireHazard17> ...
[02:16] <FireHazard17> ok
[02:16] <LjL> FireHazard17: the moment it says a word though, you'll be in trouble, so make very sure it doesn't
[02:16] <penguincentral> jussi01, i'm trying to scan through the bloody bug report.  please give me a moment before i get pissed off.
[02:17] <jussi01> penguincentral: sorry. I was just making sure you had the bug report.
[02:17] <jussi01> :)
[02:17] <penguincentral> jussi01: that's ok :)
[02:17] <jussi01> it can be a real pain to find on lp sometimes,
[02:17] <LjL> FireHazard17: besides, a bot running on mirc... come on
[02:18] <FireHazard17> it isnt
[02:18] <penguincentral> jussi01: nowhere does it quote "fix commited iirc"
[02:18] <FireHazard17> i am running in the newest irssi i built myself and he is a bot written in python
[02:18] <FireHazard17> running in python
[02:18] <penguincentral> although under status jussi01 it says fix released, but i'm not so sure on that
[02:19] <jussi01> penguincentral: read what ubotu just quoted.... end of the line...
[02:19] <LjL> FireHazard17: then i see no need to fake the version reply
[02:19] <FireHazard17> i havent read his reply yet
[02:20] <LjL> [14:19:55]  [CTCP]  Received CTCP-VERSION reply from FlameBot: VERSION mIRC32 v5.6 K.Mardam-Bey.
[02:20] <penguincentral> jussi01: what? <jussi01> !bot | penguincentral
 penguincentral: I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots.
[02:20] <FireHazard17> LjL: i dint write him
[02:20] <penguincentral> jussi01: are you an "all knowing infobot"?
[02:20] <jussi01> penguincentral: no, bug 140540
[02:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[02:20] <LjL> FlameBot: i hope your Python is sane
[02:21] <penguincentral> jussi01: are you seeing things?
[02:22] <jussi01> penguincentral:  Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released] 
[02:22] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[02:22] <penguincentral> jussi01: aha, and what is the fix aside from the gconftool command that for me DOESN'T WORK
[02:22] <penguincentral> god i hate bots :(
[02:24] <Pici> penguincentral: but they love you
[02:24] <jussi01> lol
[02:24] <penguincentral> Pici:  do bots love you? do they kiss you and tuck you in at night?
[02:24] <Jordan_U> penguincentral, YEs
[02:25] <penguincentral> rofl
[02:25] <penguincentral> you are all hilarious
[02:26] <jussi01> penguincentral: when was the last time you updated?
[02:26] <penguincentral> maybe one or two hours ago, why jussi01?
[02:27] <jussi01> penguincentral: I was just noticing the las comment from sebastian bacher on that bug.
[02:27] <penguincentral> jussi01: i've done an update check, and i'm updated. what about that comment?
[02:27] <jussi01> which was only 2 minuts ago
[02:27] <jeffferrari> hey anyone here using a touchpad? Last update stopped my scrolling
[02:27] <jussi01> penguincentral: it should have been fixed with the update
[02:28] <jussi01> penguincentral: is your mirror up to date? ( you could try using main if not)
[02:28] <penguincentral> jussi01: what update? my update manager says that i am up to date.  I am using the Australian mirror (proudly aussie)
[02:28] <Ax-Ax> 18 October?
[02:28] <penguincentral> jeffferrari: no i don't use one, i'm a disgruntled pc user ;)
[02:28] <jussi01> penguincentral: ok. however the aussie mirror may not be up to date/have the fix uploaded to it yet
[02:28] <jeffferrari> penguincentral: rofl - big pain while I'm on the bus heading for work
[02:29] <jeffferrari> penguincentral: scrolling is soooo hard with a fatty next to you
[02:29] <penguincentral> jeffferrari: rofl
[02:29] <penguincentral> jussi01: i would still be syncing to both my local mirror and the main mirror, right?
[02:29] <FireHazard17> jeffferrari: hay! that fatty is me!
[02:30] <penguincentral> FireHazard17: rofl
[02:30] <jussi01> penguincentral: no. if you change your repo it syncs to whatever you change it to. however you could also just wait...
[02:31] <ratpoison> hello, gutsy amd64 fglrx ati user. I can't change the GDM theme. any help please?
[02:31] <penguincentral> jussi01: which do you prefer, the main mirror, or the local mirror?
[02:31] <FireHazard17> i prefer the united states one
[02:31] <jussi01> penguincentral: atm, i am using the finnish mirror. however I sometimes use the main mirror as the finnish one is like 1 week behind
[02:31] <FireHazard17> mainly becuase im in the united states
[02:32] <penguincentral> jussi01: yeah, i am on the aussie mirror
[02:32] <jeffferrari> actually looks like the driver is totally gone... no scroll, double tap, drag, etc
[02:32] <jeffferrari> :(
[02:33] <penguincentral> um, i'll try the main mirror, see how that goes.
[02:33] <jussi01> penguincentral: good luck :)
[02:33] <penguincentral> thanks jussi01
[02:33] <jussi01> jeffferrari: seems some others having the same issue
[02:33] <jeffferrari> jussi01: what package is it related to?
[02:33] <jeffferrari> jussi01: synaptic?
[02:34] <jussi01> jeffferrari: Im not certain
[02:34] <penguincentral> i must be the only one in this room that doesn't have a laptop ;)
[02:34] <jussi01> anyway -->> back to work
[02:34] <FireHazard17> penguincentral: i dont
[02:34] <penguincentral> FireHazard17: thanks
[02:34] <penguincentral> ;)
[02:35] <penguincentral> ok jussi01, on the main server, now to check for updates
[02:35] <penguincentral> jussi01: woo-hoo! 49 updates
[02:35] <jussi01> penguincentral: what did i tell you ;)
[02:36] <penguincentral> jussi01: that the main server is the most up to date?
[02:36] <FireHazard17> any one know where i can legally obtain a dictionary?
[02:36] <jussi01> penguincentral: i beleive so
[02:36] <jussi01> !find dictionary
[02:36] <jeffferrari> !info XOrg-Driver-Synaptics
[02:37] <ubotu> Found: aspell-bg, aspell-br, aspell-ca, aspell-cs, aspell-cy (and 124 others)
[02:37] <penguincentral> FireHazard17: go to applications>accessories>dictionary
[02:37] <ubotu> Package xorg-driver-synaptics does not exist in gutsy
[02:37] <penguincentral> does anyone here like bots?
[02:37] <penguincentral> seriously
[02:37] <jussi01> penguincentral: they are very useful
[02:37] <jeffferrari> penguincentral: only the female one in the bed next to me that does the cleaning
[02:37] <FireHazard17> penguincentral: i hate ubotu if its any consolation
[02:37] <penguincentral> FireHazard17: thanks
[02:38] <penguincentral> jussi01: grr the main server is so sloooooow
[02:38] <FireHazard17> penguincentral: i mean is there a text file i can use?
[02:38] <jussi01> penguincentral: give it a break, its on the other side of the world to you...
[02:38] <FireHazard17> just full of words not definitions
[02:38] <penguincentral> now it's picked up
[02:39] <penguincentral> FireHazard17: no, i got a definition: asshole
[02:39] <penguincentral> asshole
[02:39] <penguincentral>  n 1: insulting terms of address for people who are stupid or
[02:39] <penguincentral>  irritating or ridiculous [syn: bastard, cocksucker,
[02:39] <penguincentral>  dickhead, shit, mother fucker, prick,
[02:39] <penguincentral>  whoreson, son of a bitch, 2: excretory opening at the end of the alimentary canal [syn: anus,
[02:39] <penguincentral>  arse, arsehole] 
[02:39] <jussi01> !language
[02:39] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:39] <jussi01> penguincentral: be very careful....
[02:39] <FireHazard17> ubotu: DIEEEEEEE!!!!!
[02:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dieeeeeee!!!!! - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[02:39] <penguincentral> it's fun to taunt ubotu
[02:40] <jussi01> !botabuse | penguincentral
[02:40] <ubotu> penguincentral: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:40] <penguincentral> maybe the bot is right...
[02:40] <FireHazard17> kickbanned!
[02:40] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: behave.
[02:41] <penguincentral> !botabuse | jussi01
[02:41] <FireHazard17> me?!
[02:41] <ubotu> jussi01: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[02:41] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: both of you.
[02:41] <FireHazard17> i didnt do anything
[02:41] <FireHazard17> besides yell at the bot
[02:41] <Hobbsee> FireHazard17: telling bots to die isnt exactly helpful
[02:41] <FireHazard17> he asked for it?
[02:41] <FireHazard17> ok fine
[02:41] <penguincentral> see ya FireHazard17
[02:41] <FireHazard17> ill just ignore the stupid bot
[02:43] <penguincentral> let's all apologise to the bot...
[02:43] <jussi01> no, please leave it alone
[02:43] <stdin> better to get back on topic
[02:43] <penguincentral> stdin: agreed
[02:44] <Pici> So whats with all these issues I keep hearing about gnome-terminal.  I haven't had any problems.
[02:44] <penguincentral> Pici: you must be updated or haven't updated yet ;)
[02:44] <jussi01> Pici: how far behind is your mirror and when did you last update... :P
[02:45] <Pici> I updated/upgraded and rebooted 10 hours ago
[02:45] <Pici> And I was fine.
[02:45] <penguincentral> jussi01, Pici: yep, time for an update
[02:46] <penguincentral> Pici: are you set to the main server, or a local mirror?
[02:46] <Pici> Hmm.. I'm upgrading my other box here right now.  I'll take a look when its done.
[02:46] <jussi01> Pici: bug was reported ~15 hours ago...
[02:46] <FireHazard17> ubotu's source code is freely availible is it not?
[02:46] <jussi01> FireHazard17: yes
[02:46] <Pici> FireHazard17: Yes, it is.
[02:47] <penguincentral> FireHazard17, jussi01, Pici: can we please ignore the bot?
[02:47] <FireHazard17> what?
[02:47] <penguincentral> btw my terminal is now working fine
[02:47] <jussi01> penguincentral: :)
[02:47] <penguincentral> FireHazard17, Pici: please stop talking about the bloody bot
[02:48] <jussi01> penguincentral: just /ignore ubotu
[02:48] <Pici> FireHazard17: If you have any more questions about the bot, lets talk about in #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:48] <Pici> penguincentral: Drop it. we will.
[02:48] <LjL> penguincentral: it's a supybot, not a bloodybot
[02:48] <stdin> FireHazard17: or #ubuntu-bots , but not here
[02:49] <penguincentral> jussi01, stdin, Pici: i second your statements
[02:50] <Hobbsee> there.
[02:51] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: thanks
[02:52] <penguincentral> so, does anyone know what happened to the alpha6 release of gutsy?
[02:52] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: but you should be mature enough not to need it.  you and FireHazard17
[02:52] <Pici> I have a factoid for it, but someone muted the bot.
[02:53] <Pici> penguincentral: There is none, its a bug fixing milestone only.
[02:53] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: true, but can we please move on from the bot fiasco
[02:53] <penguincentral> Pici: thanks
[02:53] <Hobbsee> penguincentral: please read the /topic
[02:53] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: just read it, about to look at tinyurl
[02:54] <penguincentral> so now I know why
[02:55] <Toma-> why was the bot muted?
[02:55] <Toma-> did it finally start standing up for itself? :>
[02:56] <penguincentral> Toma-: no no no, just a little incident that happened earlier.
[02:56] <penguincentral> everything is alright
[02:56] <Toma-> oic
[02:56] <penguincentral> cool
[02:56] <penguincentral> now, back to the topic...
[02:56] <Toma-> thank goodness i have a scroll bar
[02:57] <penguincentral> yes Toma-, i assume that you read it
[03:05] <Hobbsee> Toma-: because people were immature enough not to be able to handle having a bot in the room.
[03:06] <webjames> my touch pad can no longer scroll any one else got this problem?
[03:06] <penguincentral> Hobbsee: it's dragged on far enough
[03:07] <penguincentral> webjames: some other people have had this same problem.  it may be a bug for all i know...
[03:07] <webjames> i'll have a search around, thanks penguincentral
[03:07] <penguincentral> webjames: anytime ;)
[03:10] <Jordan_U> Anyone know if Bulletproof X has progressed beyond the thread on the Gnome mailing list, if not then there hasn't been any change for about a week and I have been faultily trying to hack at it myself and it does  not seem trivial. I really hope it isn't deferred
[03:10] <Jordan_U> *futiliy
[03:10] <penguincentral> Jordan_U: what is Bulletproof X?
[03:11] <webjames> okay, if you goto: gnome-control-center and then mouse then touchpad you can re-enable the scrolling and tap to click
[03:11] <Jordan_U> penguincentral, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/BulletProofX/
[03:11] <penguincentral> thanks Jordan_U
[03:11] <webjames> i now have a problem with small text in my terminal
[03:12] <penguincentral> webjames: i can help you
[03:12] <webjames> penguincentral: thank you
[03:12] <penguincentral> an update needs to be done webjames
[03:12] <fermat> Hello all, I'm running Ubuntu 7.10 and after today's update I cannot use gnome-terminal anymore - the characters are not displayed, I can enter text and start apps, but cant see the terminal output. has anybody similar problems?
[03:12] <penguincentral> you need to check one thing webjames
[03:12] <webjames> just done one, 42 updates
[03:12] <webjames> maybe a restart?
[03:12] <penguincentral> webjames: yeah, sounds about right.  earlier 49, no reboot
[03:13] <penguincentral> webjames: are you syncing to the main server, or your local mirror?
[03:13] <webjames> the server for the UK
[03:13] <fermat> I just figured out that the characters in skype aren't displayed either...!
[03:13] <penguincentral> webjames: use the main server.
[03:14] <webjames> penguincentral: done. checking now
[03:14] <penguincentral> webjames: it's a good idea also to go into synaptic and reloading if you get nothing in the updates scan
[03:15] <webjames> penguincentral: there is no updates
[03:15] <penguincentral> webjames: to be sure, go into synaptic, and press reload
[03:16] <webjames> penguincentral: just done that
[03:16] <penguincentral> webjames: is your terminal working now?
[03:16] <webjames> nope
[03:16] <webjames> small text still
[03:16] <miki> small fonts:  gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[03:16] <penguincentral> miki, that didn't work for me
[03:16] <penguincentral> webjames: go into xterm using alt>f2
[03:16] <penguincentral> does the same stuff webjames
[03:17] <webjames> miki that worked thanks!
[03:17] <webjames> thanks penguincentral miki
[03:17] <penguincentral> it worked for you webjames?
[03:17] <webjames> yeah
[03:17] <penguincentral> that's ok webjames
[03:17] <penguincentral> it didn't work for me
[03:17] <penguincentral> moving on...
[03:17] <webjames> strange, maybe as i have already updated
[03:18] <penguincentral> webjames: who knows...
[03:22] <penguincentral> bye everybody
[03:22] <fermat> Has anybody else problems with skype since today's update?
[03:22] <fermat> Characters are not displayed
[03:23] <Hobbsee> fermat: dont file a bug on it, please
[03:25] <fermat> Hobbsee: -v, please..!
[03:25] <Hobbsee> fermat: skype is not in ubuntu.
[03:26] <allen> Uhm does 7.10 comes with compiz as default?
[03:26] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:26] <fermat> yeah, but the error appeared after todays update - yesterday it worked fine. and the fonts in gnome-terminal stopped working at the same time when the fonts in skype got damaged
[03:26] <Pici> allen: Thats the plan
[03:27] <allen> ah..
[03:27] <Hobbsee> fermat: the gnome-terminal stuff got fixed.
[03:27] <allen> can i disable it?
[03:27] <allen> if ever
[03:27] <dystopianray> will kubuntu have compiz by default?
[03:27] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: it wont.
[03:27] <fermat> Hobbsee: what was the reason
[03:27] <dystopianray> good
[03:27] <Hobbsee> dystopianray: kde4 will have compositing
[03:27] <Hobbsee> fermat:   https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[03:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released] 
[03:27] <allen> tthank you guys
[03:28] <webjames> allen: right click on your desktop click change desktop background then desktop effects
[03:28] <webjames> too late.. :(
[03:28] <fermat> Hobbsee: Thank you! :-)
[03:28] <tinin> Hi, I need to reinstall ubuntu so I was thinking of using gutsy yet, what is it's state? Has it few bugs now?
[03:29] <webjames> i've been using it for a while, nothing major
[03:30] <tinin> and anyone using kubuntu? is what I need to know about
[03:31] <webjames> i use ubuntu sorry, give it a go on the live cd see if it works
[03:33] <Jordan_U> tinin, Stick with Feisty
[03:34] <dystopianray> does gutsy include ooxml support with openoffice?
[03:34] <Hobbsee> tinin: it's not stable yet
[03:34] <tinin> ok, thanx
[03:36] <tinin> I need wireless support, I hope that it is better on 2.6.22 kernel. Right now my usb wireless goes very slow :(
[03:48] <boojah_> are there any info regarding the broken gnome-terminal?
[03:49] <Spads> boojah_: bug#140540
[03:49] <boojah_> thanks
[03:49] <Spads> boojah_: gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[04:04] <cheesehead> Hello!
[04:05] <boojah_> Spads: yea that fixed it
[04:05] <cheesehead> I think that Gutsy just farked up my laptop when I tried to install it. I can't boot into Vista anymore.
[04:05] <boojah_> anyone know if kopete has support for V4L2? and how i make it use it?
[04:08] <contrast83> cheesehead: Is the partition still there?
[04:08] <cheesehead> It just says "Operating System Not Found."
[04:08] <contrast83> Hrmm... Sounds like *cough* user error *cough* :-D
[04:09] <contrast83> Are you sure you did the partitioning correctly when you installed it?
[04:17] <boojah_> does anyone have problem with the outline of the "type password" window freeze on the screen after its closed?
[04:23] <CyD_> do you know a depo for tasping and gutsy ?
[04:23] <CyD_> *taspring
[04:29] <CountX> uh ohh, i fudged up gutsy and now i cant access my net
[04:29] <CountX> everything that connects to the internet cant right now on my gutsy lappy
[04:30] <CountX> anyone care to lend me a hand?
[04:30] <contrast83> CountX: What kind of card (wireless, I'm assuming)?
[04:30] <CountX> nope, im using wired right now
[04:30] <CountX> i cant get wireless to work
[04:30] <contrast83> even wired isn't working on the laptop?
[04:30] <CountX> nope
[04:31] <CountX> suddenly went out after a reboot
[04:31] <CountX> bcm43xx wireless card, can i get that up and running fat?
[04:31] <CountX> fast*
[04:31] <contrast83> sudo apt-get install bcm43xx-fwcutter
[04:31] <contrast83> or did you already do that?
[04:32] <__tim> hrm, awesome update: nautilus got removed and there's no panel after logging into gnome now
[04:32] <CountX> well, i dont have internet
[04:32] <contrast83> er, whoops. sorry...
[04:32] <contrast83> CountX: one sec...
[04:32] <CountX> :D
[04:33] <CountX> contrast83: im on a windows box right now, on a java irc client, :(
[04:34] <contrast83> oohhh ok. packages.ubuntu.com - look for that package i mentioned on there (make sure you look under gutsy)
[04:34] <contrast83> CountX: google around for "wl-apsta.o" - you'll have to download that file also
[04:34] <CountX> how am i to get that to the lappy?
[04:34] <contrast83> CountX: do you have a cd burner?
[04:34] <CountX> yeah...but no cd's
[04:35] <contrast83> thumb drive?
[04:35] <CountX> its at work :(
[04:35] <CountX> packages.ubuntu.com doesnt exist :O
[04:35] <contrast83> it exists in my browser. ;-)
[04:36] <contrast83> maybe windows blocked it. :-P
[04:36] <sander_> bah.. upgrading is a hell!
[04:36] <sander_> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/adept/+bug/140714
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140714 in adept "Upgrade Tool Crashed (kubuntu 7.04 -> 7.10)" [Undecided,New] 
[04:36] <CountX> woa, i got a weird page telling me it didnt, and at the bottom it linked to the same page but it was an ubuntu page....
[04:36] <sander_> yeah that's me!
[04:37] <contrast83> sander_: that's why Gutsy is still beta.
[04:37] <sander_> well I don't think it is really gutsy related
[04:37] <sander_> I think it's wubi
[04:37] <sander_> or that adept package manager
[04:37] <contrast83> wubi? i've heard the term but i'm unfamiliar.
[04:38] <CountX> contrast83: i cant find bcm43xx-fwcutter on that site
[04:38] <contrast83> isn't that for running ubuntu inside windows or something like that?
[04:38] <sander_> http://wubi-installer.org/
[04:38] <sander_> something
[04:38] <sander_> you install it in a file on a NTFS partition
[04:38] <sander_> and it uses the windows bootloader to start it
[04:38] <sander_> works quite nice actually
[04:39] <contrast83> CountX: if i were you, i'd worry about getting the wired connection running first, because most likely, your wireless won't work either until you take care of that.
[04:39] <CountX> contrast83: can you help me with that?
[04:39] <hdp> can anybody confirm that the gnome-terminal crashes oder starts up in a very minimized mode with invisible fonts?
[04:39] <contrast83> CountX: i can try. no promises though. :-)
[04:39] <CountX> contrast83: any help is appreciated
[04:40] <sander_> [14:07]  <jaysonsantos> Hi people, after the last update of gusty today, i can't see (they is so small) the fonts of my gnome terminal, exists some config for that ?
[04:40] <sander_> [14:08]  <jussi01> jaysonsantos: run gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[04:40] <hdp> thanks
[04:40] <sander_> hdp: any help?
[04:40] <contrast83> CountX: is the laptop physically connected right now?
[04:40] <CountX> contrast83: yes
[04:40] <CountX> contrast83: and it recognizes when i unplug and plug it back in
[04:41] <CountX> contrast83: just no access to the net...
[04:41] <contrast83> CountX: try running this command - sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart - then when that finishes - sudo NetworkManager
[04:42] <CountX> brtb
[04:42] <leperkhanz> distribution upgrade?  Running partial upgrade?
[04:42] <leperkhanz> hmmm
[04:43] <CountX> its doing something
[04:43] <contrast83> CountX: K/Ubuntu?
[04:44] <CountX> contrast83: gnome :)
[04:44] <CountX> contrast83: still nothing, now it takes no time to notice i have no net, before it kinda tried to load a page
[04:46] <contrast83> I had the *exact* same problem you're having some time ago, and those two commands gave the same result they just gave you. I'm trying to remember what I did to fix it.
[04:47] <CountX> contrast83: now it doesnt notice when i unplug the cable
[04:48] <contrast83> could you pastebin the output of that restart command i gave you?
[04:48] <CountX> contrast83: i really appreciate ur help
[04:48] <contrast83> no problem
[04:48] <CountX> not without internet...
[04:48] <CountX> unless you want me to take a picture :)
[04:48] <hdp> sander_, thanks a lot, gconftool fixed the problem.
[04:49] <rocky> what are people's favourite diagram editor these days for drawing network layouts and such?
[04:49] <contrast83> you didn't recently uninstall anything did you, CountX?
[04:49] <CountX> contrast83: not that i can remember
[04:50] <CountX> contrast83: ive been up all night so my memory isnt all that great
[04:51] <contrast83> there *was* a recent kernel upgrade in the repos. that's always a possible culprit.
[04:51] <CountX> contrast83: im pretty sure X crashed or something when i tried to run a game, or something like that
[04:51] <CountX> contrast83: X has been crashing like all night
[04:51] <contrast83> desktop effects turned on?
[04:51] <CountX> contrast83: ya
[04:52] <CountX> contrast83: i was impressing my dad with my linsta theme and the compiz-fusion animations
[04:52] <contrast83> you should always turn that off before running games, just fyi
[04:52] <CountX> contrast83: is there a fast way to tun it off?
[04:52] <CountX> contrast83: then back on with all the same settings
[04:53] <contrast83> well, i've got a folder with shortcuts to all my games in it, and i just have a 3-line script that turns it off, opens my file manager in that folder, then turns it back on when i close the file manager
[04:53] <CountX> contrast83: ya im not that good with linux, yet
[04:53] <CountX> yet
[04:54] <CountX> so...what am i just effed in the A on this one?
[04:54] <CountX> dude i dont even know how to add more workspaces....
[04:55] <contrast83> run this command - dpkg --get-selections | grep linux-headers
[04:55] <contrast83> how many packages did that list?
[04:55] <CountX> 4
[04:56] <CountX> well 5 with the linux-headers-generic
[04:56] <contrast83> 2 that include "2.6.22-11" and 2 that include a different number?
[04:56] <CountX> ya
[04:56] <CountX> 2.6.22-10
[04:57] <contrast83> did you already try just rebooting to fix this?
[04:57] <CountX> yes...
[04:57] <CountX> sadly
[04:57] <CountX> thats my first response
[04:57] <AnRkey> has anyone else used ebox yet?
[04:57] <CountX> i dont know what that is
[04:57] <CountX> so, no
[04:57] <AnRkey> i can't get the openvpn, firewall and network modules installed
[04:58] <contrast83> ok, reboot again, hit escape when GRUB starts its 3-second countdown, and select 2.6.22-10.
[04:58] <fuoco> can i use update-manager to upgrade to gutsy at this point ?
[04:58] <CountX> contrast83: OK
[04:58] <contrast83> ohhh
[04:58] <contrast83> hang on
[04:59] <CountX> hanging
[04:59] <contrast83> CountX: did you use the restricted manager to install the driver for your wireless card?
[04:59] <CountX> no
[04:59] <contrast83> it just worked out of the box?
[04:59] <CountX> i never installed my wireless card
[04:59] <CountX> i was lazy
[04:59] <contrast83> oh, so the wireless never worked?
[04:59] <CountX> plus theres no free wireless here and i dont have a wireless router
[04:59] <CountX> ya
[04:59] <CountX> i just never tried to make it work
[04:59] <contrast83> ok
[05:00] <CountX> can i boot now?
[05:00] <contrast83> yeah
[05:00] <CountX> :P
[05:00] <CountX> grub screen is lonely
[05:00] <hdp> i would like to report a bug to launchpad, but i'm not sure which package to choose. entering 'unknown' doesn't work. how should i proceed?
[05:00] <CountX> other?
[05:00] <CountX> wait, dont listin to me
[05:01] <hdp> yep, that doesn't work
[05:01] <contrast83> hdp: what's the bug?
[05:01] <CountX> well, i really have no idea dont look at me
[05:01] <hdp> contrast83, a full hangup when switching from vt1 back to x server
[05:02] <CountX> contrast83: still nothing bro
[05:02] <CountX> contrast83: so i guess that means its not the kernel :(
[05:02] <hdp> this could be a kernel issue but i'm not quite sure
[05:02] <contrast83> hdp: probably your graphics card driver
[05:03] <eagles0513875> can can anyone help me with my amarok and xine issue
[05:03] <contrast83> CountX: right...
[05:03] <CountX> contrast83: well, am i effed now?
[05:04] <contrast83> CountX: Not to be a dick or anything, but if you're really new to Linux, you really shouldn't be using a test release anyway. There's just as much that you can learn from a stable release, and with a lot fewer headaches.
[05:05] <CountX> contrast83: ya i know
[05:05] <contrast83> CountX: I'm sure there's some way to fix this, but I'm still a bit of a novice myself.
[05:06] <CountX> contrast83: ya i kinda wish me and linux could get along
[05:06] <CountX> contrast83: i hate myself for resorting back to windoze
[05:06] <contrast83> CountX: It takes some time. And lots of patience. :-)
[05:06] <fuoco> can i use update-manager to upgrade to gutsy at this point ?
[05:06] <contrast83> fuoco: Not sure, sorry.
[05:07] <fuoco> so the only way is to reinstall ?
[05:07] <contrast83> CountX: My advice would be to just install Feisty, and *manually* do the partitions so you can set up seperate partitions for / and /home, that way if you break something and have to reinstall, all your personal files will still be in tact afterwards
[05:08] <contrast83> along with all your preferences, etc.
[05:09] <CountX> contrast83: i kinda wish i knew that before i formated over my feisty partition
[05:09] <eagles0513875> anyone know much about xine and amarok
[05:10] <contrast83> Yeah. Some distros set up the partitions like that by default. I can't see why Ubuntu doesn't. :-\
[05:11] <contrast83> CountX: How big's the hard drive on your laptop?
[05:12] <CountX> 2x100gb
[05:12] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: y am i banned in the other channel i didnt even do anything
[05:12] <CountX> 1 windows 1 linux
[05:12] <eagles0513875> winblows
[05:13] <CountX> and dude, i think something is effed with my laptop, cause like, i cant get on the internet with my windows partition
[05:13] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: disruption from last time.  have you reformed?
[05:13] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: yes i have
[05:13] <contrast83> CountX: Have you tried resetting the router?
[05:13] <CountX> the pc im chatting on right now is connected to the same router
[05:13] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i havent been on my linux machine in a while hobbs
[05:14] <contrast83> I know, but still. Strange as it sounds, I've seen that fix the problem even when the router's working fine for a different computer.
[05:14] <Hobbsee> and...?
[05:14] <CountX> well, ive done it already but fine , w.e
[05:14] <CountX> brb
[05:14] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what did i disrupt the last time
[05:15] <contrast83> CountX: wait, so you already tried that?
[05:15] <Hobbsee> ....
[05:15] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: so you clearly havent learnt anything.
[05:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: in that channel that warrented a ban
[05:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i dont even remember what i did
[05:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: what i have learnet is to keep my mouth shut in there
[05:15] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i dont even talk
[05:16] <Hobbsee> then the +q should not matter to you...
[05:16] <Hobbsee> really.
[05:16] <eagles0513875> +q ??
[05:17] <Hobbsee> a quiet
[05:17] <Guest525> contrast83: on....freaking weird man
[05:17] <Guest525> its countx
[05:18] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: ok:( u still mad at me and if i ever become an motu will i ever be able to get in the channel
[05:18] <contrast83> ok...?
[05:18] <contrast83> did that work?
[05:18] <Guest525> contrast83: i unplugged bot router and modem, switched around the plugs and now my windows lappy can get on
[05:19] <contrast83> sounds like you need a new router
[05:19] <Guest525> contrast83: but but...its a D-link
[05:19] <contrast83> lol
[05:19] <contrast83> and if i were you, i'd make it a wireless one. put that laptop to some real use. ;-)
[05:20] <Guest525> contrast83: well, i celebrated early
[05:20] <contrast83> ?
[05:20] <Guest525> contrast83: the freaking ubuntu partition wont get on the net
[05:21] <Guest525> contrast83: on, nvm, it magically works now...
[05:22] <Guest525> contrast83: im going to go cry in the corner for a while
[05:22] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: will i ever get removed removed from quiet
[05:23] <contrast83> lol
[05:23] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:23] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:23] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: depends if you have anything useful to add, pretty much.
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Pici: he hasnt done anything here *yet*
[05:23] <Pici> arg
[05:23] <Hobbsee> Pici: as much as i'd like to have him gagged everywhere, you do need a reason :P
[05:24] <contrast83> CountX: http://www.linuxappfinder.com/blog/preparing_for_system_failure_and_recovering_quickly - that explains in depth what I was saying about manually doing the partitions.
[05:24] <Pici> Sorry for the spam guys/gals
[05:24] <Guest525> hey imma log back in with my nick
[05:25] <RichW> I would like to report that the latest gutsy updates have broken the nvidia drivers
[05:25] <RichW> open office does not run
[05:26] <RichW> you get the splash screen and then it dissppears
[05:26] <RichW> the terminal for me has a tiny unreadable font
[05:26] <CountX_> hmm
[05:26] <CountX_> somehow my nick is still up...
[05:26] <RichW> Any nvidia users here?
[05:26] <RichW> with gutsy
[05:26] <RichW> ?
[05:27] <CountX_> me
[05:27] <contrast83> me
[05:27] <RichW> awsome
[05:27] <CountX_> i use a 7600 Go
[05:27] <RichW> you got latest updates?
[05:27] <contrast83> Yup
[05:27] <RichW> has openoffice broken with latest updates?
[05:27] <CountX_> if by that you mean, the nvidia-glx-new, then yes
[05:27] <contrast83> 7600 GS here. No problems
[05:27] <Hobbsee> !ghost | CountX_
[05:27] <RichW> yeah i use -new
[05:27] <ubotu> CountX_: On IRC, if you own a nick that is currently being used, you can make it quit by typing: /msg nickserv GHOST <username> <password>
[05:28] <RichW> Hobbsee: Wow cool.. i never knew that
[05:28] <contrast83> i'm using nvidia-glx-new and it's working fine.
[05:28] <CountX_> hmm
[05:28] <RichW> i got another friend
[05:28] <RichW> and we both got the openoffice broken problem
[05:28] <RichW> i can take screenshots of some of the weird effects happeneing
[05:29] <Hobbsee> RichW: :)
[05:29] <contrast83> RichW: Sure you're not just out of VRAM?
[05:29] <CountX_> i just ran openoffice word proccessor with np
[05:29] <RichW> damn now right click --> change desktop background wont open at all
[05:29] <RichW> i read the change log before updating
[05:30] <RichW> it said something about blacklisting a driver
[05:30] <RichW> and some matrox changes
[05:30] <RichW> VRAM? 1280x1024 and nvidia 8600
[05:30] <RichW> theres 256MB on that card
[05:31] <RichW> it was fine before this update
[05:31] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: sry bout that a screwey pkg update screwed up the latest kernel for me
[05:31] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[05:31] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[05:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> Hi there
[05:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> things are broken
[05:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> gnome-terminal in particular :
[05:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> :)
[05:33] <Hobbsee> news at 11.
[05:33] <Hobbsee> that's already been fixed.
[05:33] <Le-Chuck_ITA> great!
[05:33] <RichW> yeah
[05:33] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/bugs/140540
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140540 in libgnome "[Gutsy update]  Gnome application font sizes too small to read" [High,Fix released] 
[05:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> things are fixed :)
[05:34] <Le-Chuck_ITA> I love you all
[05:34] <CountX> its a me, im back
[05:34] <RichW> ha thanks
[05:34] <RichW> fixed my terminal!
[05:35] <CountX> can you /whois yourself/
[05:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[05:35] <CountX> then why doesnt it work
[05:35] <CountX> Hobbsee: is there like some special command?
[05:35] <CountX> other than /whois
[05:35] <Hobbsee> CountX: no
[05:35] <CountX> hmm
[05:36] <CountX>  /whois CountX doesnt report anything
[05:36] <Hobbsee> CountX: alt+1.  it goes to your server window.
[05:36] <CountX> AH
[05:36] <CountX> well, not with irssi, but yes i do need to be in the server window
[05:41] <CountX> contrast83: thanks for all your help earlier man
[05:42] <CountX> contrast83: even though it was all becuase of my crappy router and not ubuntu
[05:42] <CountX> like i tried to make it out as linux's fault
[05:43] <CountX> i dont know what i would do without this irc channel
[05:53] <CountX> when can i get virtualbox, that works on gutsy?
[05:53] <CountX> the one i have right now complains about not having kernel drivers
[05:54] <CountX> lols
[05:55] <CountX> he was using kde....
[05:55] <CountX> anyone? help me
[05:56] <hydrogen> you need to build the kernel drivers
[05:56] <hydrogen> iirc
[05:56] <CountX> huh?
[05:57] <contrast83> I was trying to do that just the other day.
[05:57] <CountX> well, im like super new to linux, so how do i do that
[05:57] <CountX> hey contrast83
[05:57] <CountX> wb
[05:57] <contrast83> Hey, thanks
[05:57] <contrast83> I built the kernel drivers, and there was still something missing in /etc/init.d
[05:58] <CountX> poo, i really wish i knew wtf u were tlaking about
[05:58] <contrast83> I can try to explain, but I'm not sure I understand it myself.
[05:59] <contrast83> I *think* in order for VirtualBox to run a guest OS, it needs a certain module or driver loaded
[06:00] <CountX> contrast83: thats how VMware is on windoze
[06:01] <contrast83> Building the kernel drivers should take care of that, so either it just doesn't at the moment (in Gutsy, at least), or I was doing something wrong.
[06:02] <rocky> i think i might have asked this before (but i stepped away) ... does anyone have a favourite diagram editor on gutsy ? (particularly for describing network layouts)
[06:02] <CountX> contrast83: i think its just gutsy, cause i got it working fine in feisty
[06:02] <CountX> rocky: yes you have asked before, and i have no idea what you are talking about
[06:02] <contrast83> lol
[06:02] <contrast83> Ditto
[06:03] <rocky> you don't know what i'm asking?
[06:03] <CountX> rocky: sorry, i just dont
[06:03] <rocky> um
[06:03] <rocky> have you ever used Dia ?
[06:03] <CountX> :)
[06:03] <rocky> or Visio
[06:03] <rocky> those are diagram editors
[06:03] <Pici> I think Dia is in gutsy.
[06:03] <CountX> ive used mind manager
[06:03] <poorenglish_> anyone, I dont have windows borders with compiz-fusion, why?
[06:04] <CountX> poorenglish_: are you on a laptop?
[06:04] <poorenglish_> no
[06:04] <CountX> poorenglish_: then i cant help you
[06:04] <contrast83> Yeah, dia's in Gutsy. I just searched Synaptic for "diagram editor" out of curiosity.
[06:04] <Zvezdichko> hello
[06:04] <Zvezdichko> after the lastest upgrade OpenOffice just doesn't load
[06:05] <Reaby> poorenglish_: have you tried to assing new theme from appearence panel
[06:06] <Reaby> Zvezdichko: try to start openoffice from terminal and see what is says
[06:06] <contrast83> poorenglish_: what brand video card?
[06:06] <poorenglish_> Reaby: ups, now works
[06:06] <poorenglish_> but, is a bug?
[06:07] <poorenglish_> thanks ;)
[06:07] <Reaby> not sure, try if you can recreate it
[06:07] <Reaby> ie, log off and again on
[06:07] <Reaby> or restart X
[06:07] <poorenglish_> ok
[06:09] <Zvezdichko> Reaby, it says: Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit
[06:09] <Zvezdichko> (process) : 7468
[06:10] <Reaby> Zvezdichko: did update go smoothly to end ?
[06:10] <Zvezdichko> yes
[06:10] <Reaby> weird
[06:10] <Zvezdichko> there were no problems
[06:11] <Zvezdichko> weird, and I suppose this should be corrected till beta :)
[06:12] <contrast83> Ermm... Wow.
[06:12] <Pici> Is there a bug logged for it?  If not you should add one.
[06:12] <contrast83> dpkg is segfaulting when I try to dist-upgrade. :-\
[06:12] <jbroome> contrast83: that's exactly why i just popped in here. :)
[06:12] <killefiz> contrast83: same her
[06:12] <killefiz> e
[06:13] <Zvezdichko> Pici, it just crashes to desktop for no reason
[06:13] <phillip_> theres another phillip, no way
[06:13] <Zvezdichko> that's it
[06:13] <jbroome> bummer, it's broken.  glad it's not just me. :)
[06:13] <Pici> !bug
[06:13] <ubotu> If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[06:14] <Zvezdichko> OK, I'll do this but can I dig out more information about this?
[06:15] <jbroome> i'm not exactly getting a segfault i'm getting "failed to fetch $PACKAGE.deb hash sum mismatch
[06:16] <Reaby> Zvezdichko: try: http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=discuss&msgNo=58369
[06:16] <Reaby> there is one possible solution
[06:17] <branstrom> Anyone have a tip about a good source of Pidgin 2.2.0 .debs for gutsy?
[06:18] <branstrom> Um, a nice, oft-updated repo with Pidgin in it, in other words
[06:18] <mtfuchs> I got a problem installing gutsy from tribe 5. are there any known errors? I get the error, that the CD-ROM is not an Ubuntu CD. but the checksum is right.
[06:18] <mtfuchs> I get this error with alternate 64bit and 32bit.
[06:18] <mtfuchs> this is the alternate cd.
[06:18] <stdin> try the daily iso
[06:18] <contrast83> mtfuchs: Is it a CD-RW?
[06:19] <mtfuchs> no, it is a normal CD-R
[06:19] <contrast83> Daily iso?
[06:19] <Zvezdichko> reported this bug
[06:19] <mtfuchs> no, it is tribe 5.
[06:20] <mtfuchs> if I need to download a daily iso now I will go nuts.
[06:20] <mtfuchs> I need about 4 hours for every iso.
[06:20] <PecisDarbs> hmmmm, last updates introduced nasty apt-get bugs, is that true?
[06:20] <Zvezdichko> I didn't get any bugs
[06:20] <Zvezdichko> during last update
[06:21] <Zvezdichko> but I indeed encountered bugs during one of the latest updates
[06:22] <mtfuchs> does anyone have an idea. this happened with tribe 5 i386 alternate and amd64 alternate.
[06:23] <mtfuchs> where do I get those daily isos from?
[06:23] <jbroome> !daily > mtfuchs
[06:24] <laga> guys. is anyone here running kde on gutsy? the control centre crashes here if i double click on "printers"
[06:24] <laga> can anyone confirm?
[06:25] <mtfuchs> they are to big for burning on a cdrom.
[06:25] <laga> single click works fine, btw.
[06:25] <geser> PecisDarbs: yes, the last dpkg broke apt
[06:26] <mtfuchs> man. this really sucks. will get a feisty alternate cd now. if this doesn't work I will go search another distro or another computer.
[06:26] <Zvezdichko> here ... Konsole crashes when ran on Gutsy, but not in KDE, it happens in GNOME
[06:26] <PecisDarbs> mtfuchs: what is too big?
[06:26] <mtfuchs> the daily build is 732 MB
[06:26] <PecisDarbs> geser: how to get out from this situation? :) any suggestions?
[06:27] <stdin> mtfuchs: most CDs hold 800MBs
[06:27] <mtfuchs> mine do 700
[06:27] <hydrogen> most do 700
[06:27] <geser> PecisDarbs: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9152616/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[06:28] <geser> PecisDarbs: sudo dpkg -i dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[06:28] <geser> assuming you are using i386
[06:28] <Zvezdichko> heeeeeeeeeey
[06:28] <Zvezdichko> Gnome terminal
[06:28] <PecisDarbs> geser: thanks
[06:28] <mtfuchs> well, doesn't matter I will get a feisty install cd. maybe those work.
[06:28] <hydrogen> Hobbsee: is that apt to -13 or dpkg to -13 ?
[06:28] <Hobbsee> hydrogen: noted, thanks.
[06:28] <geser> :)
[06:29] <hydrogen> ooph
[06:29] <hydrogen> I got that message too late :)
[06:29] <Hobbsee> downgrade dpkg to -12 then
[06:29] <hydrogen> yea
[06:29] <hydrogen> just did
[06:30] <Zvezdichko> yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees
[06:30] <Zvezdichko> GNOME Terminal
[06:30] <Zvezdichko> working again!
[06:31] <Zvezdichko> as for dpkg, how to downgrade?
[06:31] <hydrogen> look up to what geser said
[06:32] <Reaby> Zvezdichko: on synaptic select force version
[06:32] <Zvezdichko> k, thanks
[06:32] <stdin> if you haven't cleaned your cache just do "dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb"
[06:32] <Reaby> or something like that, i don't use english version..
[06:37] <sausageman> apt-get is segfaulting on any package management command... 0xb7e8fb06 in _strstrip () from /usr/lib/libapt-pkg-libc6.6-6.so.4.5
[06:37] <Hobbsee> sausageman: please consult the /topic on entry, before speaking.
[06:37] <Hobbsee> you'll make yourself not look like a goose that way
[06:38] <sausageman> do you mean the dpkg thing?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:38] <Zvezdichko> wrong, I haven't upgraded yet...
[06:38] <Zvezdichko> now when I hit apt-get upgrade it gives me the new version of dpkg
[06:38] <sausageman> i read the topic; i just didn't link them together as the problem seemed to be in apt.. hmm..
[06:38] <MTecknology> is there anything that will convert binary to decimal for me?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> sausageman: apt uses dpkg
[06:38] <sausageman> yeah i just didn't link them together ;)
[06:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:39] <Zvezdichko> I won't upgrade till... till the next two weeks, anyway
[06:39] <Zvezdichko> :)
[06:40] <laga> probably a bit off-topic.. but, can i upgrade from i386 to x86_64 painlessly?
[06:40] <jbroome> i'm going to guess no
[06:40] <geser> laga: no, the only way is reinstall
[06:40] <laga> k.
[06:41] <jbroome> stdin: your line works fine on english version, thanks
[06:42] <stdin> yw
[06:44] <CountX> what do you guys use for virtualization
[06:44] <Secher> Hey guys.. i just updated my gutsy today, my terminal is all screwed up.. anyone able to help?
[06:44] <Reaby> run upgrade again
[06:44] <jbroome> Secher: /topic
[06:45] <Secher> it just says "see ' "
[06:45] <ShackJack> CountX: Virtual box is pretty sweet - using the Feisty repos wit no problems..
[06:45] <Reaby> Secher: gconftool --type float --set /desktop/gnome/font_rendering/dpi 96
[06:46] <CountX> ShackJack: i managed to install it form i think the gutsy repo, and it wont start the guest, complains of  missing kernel drivers
[06:46] <CountX> ShackJack: can you elaborate on how you got it to work/
[06:46] <Secher> reaby : how? i dont have any command line...
[06:46] <Reaby> paste to commandline
[06:46] <Reaby> or press alt-f2
[06:47] <ShackJack> CountX: I don't think there is a gutsy repo... I just added feisty repo from their site (added key as well) and voila...  You have to build the kernel thingie when you are installing, but it walks you througgh..
[06:47] <CountX> ShackJack: i use the default repo with gutsy i mean
[06:48] <CountX> ShackJack: how would i know what to do, it will tell me?
[06:48] <ConstyXIV> can you make the deskbar hang from the panel again?
[06:48] <ShackJack> CountX: It's not in there - you have to use Feisty Repo... Just add as per usual like any other repo...
[06:49] <MTecknology> !countdown
[06:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about countdown - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <ikma> i haven't been able to get X to run without failsafe for a few weeks [gnome, kde, any]   what should i try to fix this?
[06:51] <MTecknology> October 18th is when I can dload the final version?
[06:51] <MTecknology> or do I need to wait a while for that?
[06:52] <ikma> !X
[06:52] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[06:52] <ShackJack> MTecknology: More or less, sometimes they run "late"
[06:52] <MTecknology> alrighty :)
[06:52] <ConstyXIV> MTecknology: if you just keep updating, you will be at the final version when it's out
[06:53] <ConstyXIV> is the version of dpkg in the repos now safe?
[06:53] <Pici> !final
[06:53] <ubotu> If you installed a Tribe/Beta/RC version of Ubuntu 7.10 (Gutsy Gibbon) and have been keeping it up to date, then you are already running the latest version of Gutsy. To make sure, type  sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade  in a console.
[06:54] <ShackJack> Can someone refresh my memory... how to I downgrade a package in debian if I already have the busted dpkg 13 installed?
[06:54] <nemik> so does the acrobat 8 firefox plugin work for you guys? i can open the app itself but the plugin refuses to work
[06:54] <MTecknology> ConstyXIV, there's still issues with my wireless... It always seems to be found just fine when i install from the live cd, but not the alternate cd
[06:54] <MTecknology> but that's 7.04 also
[06:54] <ShackJack> ikma: Window MGR don't ahev alot to do with X...I would suggest sticking with VESA driver and consulting your card/monitor docs for accepted resolutions and refreshes and go from there...
[06:54] <jbroome> ShackJack: 12:32 < stdin> if you haven't cleaned your cache just do "dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb"
[06:55] <tapas> strigi:/statu sayd idling, but top say sstrigidaemon takes 100% cpu
[06:55] <ShackJack> jbroome: Ahhh.. that's it... been a while - thanks ;)
[06:55] <jbroome> ShackJack: thank stdin.  I'm just the messenger. :)
[06:57] <geser> ShackJack: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9152616/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[06:57] <geser> ShackJack: sudo dpkg -i dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[06:57] <ConstyXIV> is it safe to upgrade dpkg right now from the repo?
[06:57] <ShackJack> geser: Oh thanks - I just checked cache and I do have it ;)  I didn't see dpkg as part of recent updated (the broken one)... Must've just missed it :)
[06:58] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: are you blind or stupid.
[06:58] <jbroome> both?
[06:58] <Reaby> :/
[06:58] <mtfuchs> I got the problem: Ubuntu tried to load the setup from the DVD I had in my master cd-rom drive and not from the CD I had in the slave from which it booted.,
[06:58] <stdin> Reaby: no deed for personal attacks..
[06:58] <stdin> *need
[06:58] <Reaby> sorry.
[06:59] <Reaby> ConstyXIV: it's not safe yet
[07:00] <contrast83> I'm off. Peace out, y'all.
[07:00] <ShackJack> ConstyXIV: If you have busted #13 you can downgrade like I did if it's in your cache or see above to grab the deb ;)
[07:01] <ShackJack> By the by - on my desktop setup my gnome desktop freezes when I click the Quit button from the menu... does anyone gnome what program this is actually calling (pulls up the "shutdown" menu) so I might launch from terminal to see what's going on?
[07:04] <slanning> thanks, the bug with gnome-terminal is fixed - is apt-get segfaulting also a known problem?
[07:04] <sandy> can anyone help me i am using gusty and my firefox is not working only my home page(google suggest) is getting open thats it no other pages are working help me plzzz
[07:05] <geser> slanning: read the /topic
[07:05] <slanning> I guess that would be the "don't upgrade dpkg" warning
[07:05] <slanning> geser: sorry, sorry
[07:06] <sandy> can anyone help me
[07:07] <CountX> amnesty?
[07:07] <CountX> how do you spell that one
[07:07] <jbroome> that looks right
[07:08] <sandy> some one help in firefox problem
[07:09] <CountX> can a .vdi virtualbox harddrive get corrupted?
[07:09] <CountX> like when i try and import it into a new vbox guest it gives me a weird error and tells me to contact the product vendor
[07:10] <Hobbsee> CountX: i think so.  i've seen some get botched.
[07:10] <CountX> poo
[07:10] <unggnu> hi all
[07:10] <unggnu> Anyone have problems with touchpad scrolling with current Gutsy?
[07:10] <CountX> no but i want to get a wacom
[07:10] <unggnu> Since yesterday or something like that.
[07:11] <CountX> so it better not be horrible
[07:11] <slanning> unggnu: I find I can no longer tap my touchpad to click
[07:12] <unggnu> slanning, Touchpad clicking is the first thing I always disable :)
[07:12] <unggnu> slanning, Does scrolling work for you?
[07:13] <ccooke> ... I'm getting a 403 trying to update dpkg from archive.ubuntu.com
[07:13] <slanning> well, no - nothing aside from moving the cursor (and the buttons work)
[07:13] <nemik> slanning: just go and enable it. it got disabled from last upgrade
[07:13] <nemik> in preferences -> mouse i think
[07:13] <geser> ccooke: intended
[07:13] <geser> see topic
[07:13] <slanning> nemik: thanks
[07:13] <slanning> this channel is nice :)
[07:13] <ccooke> ahhh
[07:13] <ccooke> I missed it
[07:14] <CountX> how long should it take to copy a file from one partition to another using cp -f, the file is like 2.2gb
[07:14] <unggnu> slanning, Is there a bug report?
[07:15] <CountX> cause its been a while, and theres nothing happening
[07:15] <slanning> I don't know - I just took nemik's word on it, and it worked
[07:15] <unggnu> nemik, cool
[07:15] <unggnu> works :)
[07:15] <nemik> CountX: depends on how other partition is mounted. but if regular IDE i'd say 3 minutes max on a 1GHz box or more
[07:15] <unggnu> no need for tap disabling :)
[07:15] <nemik> unggnu: np
[07:15] <nemik> you too slanning
[07:16] <CountX> oh wait, its working, slowly
[07:16] <mluser-work> Anyone else have an Asus M68000N laptop that wont suspend with Gutsy?
[07:16] <CountX> like, uber slow
[07:16] <CountX> mluser-work: i have an hp-dv900z and it works
[07:16] <CountX> dv9000z*
[07:16] <unggnu> nemik, But as always graphical mouse settings have no influence on mouse cursor speed.
[07:16] <unggnu> Does anyone have the same problem?
[07:17] <mluser-work> It works for me if I boot into the 2.6.20 feisty kernel too.. but not with the 2.6.22 Gutsy kernel
[07:17] <unggnu> Btw. the new compiz changes are great. I didn't like the minimize animation at least for standard use.
[07:17] <sandy>  can anyone help me i am using gusty and my firefox is not working only my home page(google suggest) is getting open thats it no other pages are working help me plzzz
[07:18] <nemik> unggnu: hmm yea that's interesting. same case here. i like my default so never tried changing it
[07:18] <RichardHunt> The update manager is complaining that it can't download totem-xine (403 Forbidden). Do I just need to wait for this to be resolved?
[07:18] <nemik> RichardHunt: yes. or change repos
[07:18] <unggnu> nemik, Apls Touchpads are very slow.
[07:18] <unggnu> *Alps
[07:18] <unggnu> without different settings
[07:18] <nemik> ah that sucks. the ibm whatever one on my thinkpad is cool
[07:19] <Secher> hey does anyone know how to fix the terminal problem?
[07:19] <ShackJack> sandy: If one page is opening, it would stand to reason that others will open... can you ping other sites, etc...?
[07:19] <SlimG> Will there be an installoption in Gutsy to setup encrypted partitions?
[07:19] <magnetron> ShackJack: she is using gutsy
[07:19] <mtfuchs> how much swap would a 2 GB RAM system need?
[07:20] <magnetron> Secher: WHAT terminal problem
[07:20] <nemik> mtfuchs: 2GB should be fine or 2.5
 ya
[07:20] <ShackJack> magnetron: Eh?
[07:20] <magnetron> ShackJack: sandy is using gutsy. support for gutsy is in #ubuntu+1 ONLY
[07:20] <Secher> the one mentioned in the topic.. i got a terminal problem today, so i assumed it was a wide problem
[07:21] <ShackJack> magnetron: Ermmm... that's what channel we're in last I checked...
[07:21] <CountX> how do you delete with the terminal?
[07:21] <CountX> -rm?
[07:21] <Secher> rm
[07:21] <magnetron> ShackJack: wooops
[07:21] <CountX> cool
[07:21] <CountX> thnx bro
[07:21] <ShackJack> Secher: You can downgrade your dpkg to 12 if it's still in your cache...
[07:21] <nemik> rm -rf for a directory
[07:21] <jussi01> hmmm, dolphin is giving me this: Unable to save bookmarks in /home/jussi/.kde/share/apps/d3lphin/bookmarks.xml. Reported error was: Permission denied. This error message will only be shown once. The cause of the error needs to be fixed as quickly as possible, which is most likely a full hard drive.
[07:21] <CountX> naw its just a file
 i can ping other sites
[07:21] <CountX> thanks tho
[07:21] <ShackJack> Secher: dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[07:21] <jussi01> my hdd isnt full...
[07:21] <LjL> while being careful what exactly you type after it
[07:22] <RevEn> hi
[07:22] <ShackJack> sandy: And you can get to this one page and not others - sure your browser isn't in offline mode?
[07:22] <Secher> hmm.. the problem is my terminal doesnt work.. and i cant paste anything into it either
 How to check that
[07:23] <ohsoferrety> I think I might have deleted the Applications menu, or GTK is messing with it. Is there any way to fix that?
[07:23] <slanning> Secher: do you use emacs by chance? I used `shell` in emacs
[07:23] <ShackJack> Secher: In GUI? Go to full command line more CTRL ALT F1 (or F2 whatever)
[07:23] <CountX> how do you change the number of workstations in gutsy
[07:23] <ShackJack> sandy: Under File menu...
[07:23] <slanning> or ctrl-alt-f1, that would've worked, too :)
[07:23] <Secher> aah.. :D sorry.. still very new with linux..
 Its not in offline mode
[07:24] <slanning> normally it'll say "you're browser is in offline mode" if it's in offline mode, though
[07:24] <ShackJack> slanning: DOH - THat's the one ;)  I have sort of "finger" memory when it comes to that....
[07:24] <CountX> like, i cant find the way to change it from 2
[07:24] <ShackJack> sandy: What the site address you can get to?
 google suggest
[07:24] <CountX> anyone know how off hand, cause im at a lose, with feisty i just changed it by clicking the dock app
[07:24] <ShackJack> URL?
[07:24] <CountX> !google
[07:24] <ubotu> Google is a very popular search engine: http://www.google.com  -  Google also has a Linux-specific search engine: http://google.com/linux
 but i cant open google.com
[07:24] <ShackJack> sandy:  ^^
[07:25] <sandy> http://www.google.com/webhp?complete=1&hl=en <ShackJack>
[07:25] <CountX> !google | sandy
[07:25] <ubotu> sandy: please see above
[07:25] <CountX> im bored, sry
[07:25] <Secher> shackjack - its not there anymore :S
[07:26] <Secher> i guess
 other then that i cant open any other sites
[07:26] <anhdepyeu> Anyone else getting 403 forbidden on apt-get?  Someone turn off the archives because of a bad package or something?
[07:26] <slanning> sandy: what if you do  firefox http://www.ubuntu.com/    from the command-line ?
[07:26] <ShackJack> sandy: Sorry need to know URL  If you can get to one URL you can get to other's - simple as that ;) Unless your ISPs DNS is messed up or it's a firewall issue...
[07:27] <ShackJack> Secher: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9152616/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb  and then sudo dpkg -i dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
 I think the home page is save in my pc
[07:27] <CountX> my ISP throttles bittorrent :(
[07:27] <CountX> dont get time warner
[07:27] <CountX> they<poo
[07:28] <ShackJack> sandy: Can you get updates, etc...
[07:28] <slanning> sandy?
 because may the page is saved in the pc thats y i can open it may be
[07:28] <unggnu> Does anyone have problems with new Intel driver and brightness?
 ya
[07:29] <CountX> unggnu: intel integrated gfx card?
[07:29] <ShackJack> sandy: Hmmm... that's weird... can you go to http://www.natewelch.com ?
[07:29] <unggnu> CountX, yes
[07:29] <CountX> unggnu: dats poo, laptop?
[07:29] <unggnu> CountX, yes :)
[07:30] <CountX> unggnu: damn, that sucks, i dont know what to say bro
[07:30] <laga> geser: i will now try to upgrade to amd64 without reinstalling. just because i can. <(
[07:30] <unggnu> CountX, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/139954
[07:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 139954 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[Gutsy]  intel driver resets laptop brightness to highest mode after start, logout or video play" [Unknown,Confirmed] 
[07:30] <CountX> unggnu: other then im no help, im a desktop guy, and this is my first lappy
 no
[07:31] <kalchas> hello! it seems I have messed up my gdm on my other pc (gutsy amd64). how can I find out what's wrong and how can I fix it? when I try to login I get this message: "the greeter application has crashed: attempting to use a different one" I never get a new gdm login though
[07:31] <geser> anhdepyeu: exactly, see topic
[07:31] <slanning> sandy: I assume you've closed and reopened firefox since this started happening?
[07:32] <CountX> i love Orca
[07:32] <anhdepyeu> geser: right on, thanks
[07:32] <slanning> turned off and on networking
 i didnt get you
[07:32] <effie_jayx> the New Software Modem feature in Restricted Drivers Manager is for win modems?
[07:32] <slanning> did you exit firefox? to start over
[07:32] <Secher> shackjack - it says 404 not found to that
 samething
 only my home page no other sites
 i have even reinstalled the firefox
 my apt-get update is not working
[07:35] <unggnu> Does anyone have a Sony laptop?
[07:35] <CountX> wee i got vbox to work
[07:35] <CountX> unggnu:  sony makes lappys?
[07:35] <unggnu> CountX, It seems so.
[07:35] <jbroome> they do, and i don't have one. :)
[07:35] <CountX> unggnu: well if you says o
[07:36] <CountX> unggnu: i have an hp, as mentioned before, and for 1k i recomend it
[07:37] <ConstyXIV> and the internet stops exploding
[07:38] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Hmm - heh, I see that the dpkg seg faults is a known issue :-/
[07:38] <|Lunar_Lamp|> Downgrade the only fix atm?
[07:39] <Marlun> Anyone else having trouble with apt? I've just reinstalled tribe 5 and upgrading doesn't work. Seems to be some problem with apt.
[07:39] <slanning> Marlun: Topic
[07:39] <slanning> where you should read 'dpkg' to be apt :)
[07:40] <anhdepyeu> Marlun: problem with the dpkg in the archives
[07:40] <Marlun> ah :)
[07:40] <slanning> ShackJack said this --> dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[07:41] <Marlun> so after a install of tribe 5 I should not upgrade dpkg? Don't know how to do that when doing apt-get upgrade, but I guess i can remove the upgrade in synaptic and upgrade the rest there?
[07:44] <Secher> hmmm after the upgrade today, my touchpad mouse stopped working as it did before by default.. now i cant "click" by tapping the pad, and i cant scroll by moving my finger down the right side of the pad. Cant find any fixes on google..
[07:46] <Secher> btw on a dell xps m1330 if it makes any difference
[07:47] <ReL1K_> anyone do the recent  update and have issues with apt-get/dpkg?
[07:47] <ShackJack> Marlun: You can downgrade the dpkg archive and all will be well for other upgrades ;) Just down d/l #13 as stated in /topic
[07:47] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: See Topic and above...
[07:47] <ReL1K_> hehe thanks
[07:48] <ReL1K_> so reinstall dpkg to a previous version?
[07:48] <ReL1K_> and anyone got dual head monitors working on a t61? the wiki one didn't work
[07:48] <ConstyXIV> Secher: go to Sys->Prefs->Mouse->Touchpad
[07:48] <ConstyXIV> Secher: you'll have the options there
[07:49] <ShackJack> ReL1K_: If you have it in your cache: dpkg --force-downgrade -i /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[07:49] <Secher> constyXIV - nothing there.. only two tabs in "mouse" : "buttons" and "motion"
[07:50] <ConstyXIV> Secher: what time did you update today?  I updated around 9:00 EDT and it's there
[07:51] <Secher> hmm.. it was around 10:00 GMT.. not sure what time that is overthere..
[07:51] <ReL1K_> ShackJack, any idea where I can download it from if I don't have its cached?
[07:52] <jbroome> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9152616/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[07:52] <jbroome> /lastlog wget FTW
[07:52] <ReL1K_> thanks
[07:52] <jbroome> np
[07:53] <geser> a new dpkg (1.14.5ubuntu14) should appear on the archive soon
[07:57] <unggnu> I have a strang issue in Gutsy. Everytime I shutdown my system under Gutsy and start it again after then I couldn't use the keyboard in grub and everything else. If I power hard down and up again everything works again.
[07:57] <unggnu> This doesn't happen after Feisty restart.
[07:58] <dballant> hi, does anybody know how to rebuild the linux-ubuntu-modules package? it is new with gusty and i am trying to get a custom kernel working with it
[07:59] <ReL1K_> and anyone got dual head monitors working on a t61? the wiki one didn't work
[08:01] <Marlun> I've downgraded now if I do an apt-get upgrade, will it upgrade dpkg too then? =)
[08:08] <ShackJack> Marlun: Yeah - use the GUI thingie or do the command line thing to block the upgrade
[08:08] <geser> Marlun: it will try but fail unless you have the broken dpkg in /var/cache/apt
[08:09] <joebob777as7> hey i'm running gutsy and updated last night a brand new install and now when i log in nothing get's displayed aside from the wallpaper... can someone give me a hand?
[08:09] <geser> or wait some more, a new dpkg was already build and needs now some time to appear on the archive
[08:10] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Hi all, did you ever see "Process /usr/bin/trackerd exited with status 0"
[08:11] <Le-Chuck_IT1> from tracker search?
[08:11] <Le-Chuck_IT1> Tracker search is returning no results, neither is deskbar
[08:11] <Le-Chuck_IT1> but status 0 should be ok
[08:11] <Le-Chuck_IT1> this is surely a bug in tracker but don't know how to gather more information
[08:12] <ShackJack> Le-Chuck_IT1: I've seen it... there was a recent update to tracker today - dunno if still happening... You can of course start tracker from terminal to see more output...
[08:12] <Le-Chuck_IT1> tracker-search comihda
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> tracker-search: internal tracker error: Process /usr/bin/trackerd exited with status 0
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> trackerd is running
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> as usual
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> hmmm
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> killing it and restarting worked :(
[08:13] <Le-Chuck_IT1> however I solved my problem for now
[08:14] <Le-Chuck_IT1> how do I create a dbg package?
[08:17] <Henrik1> Where does the displaymanager for setting up xorg configs save its presets ? I have a problem where it generates the wrong xorg config file, so I thought it might be possible to overwrite its preset with my own xorg.conf. "template"
[08:17] <Secher> anyone using an m1330 and are experiencing problems with sound?
[08:18] <jack_mcdowell> Dont upgrade dpkg to -13 ... nice... should have come here earlier!
[08:18] <onechard> -14 already out here
[08:19] <joebob777as7> hey i'm running gutsy and updated last night a brand new install and now when i log in nothing get's displayed aside from the wallpaper... can someone give me a hand?
[08:19] <jack_mcdowell> ok... I'm downloading everything now and hopefully it will work
[08:19] <Le-Chuck_IT1> joebob777as7: kill the X server with ctrl+alt+backspace
[08:19] <Le-Chuck_IT1> then go into a tty
[08:19] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ps aux
[08:20] <Le-Chuck_IT1> kill all your processes
[08:20] <Le-Chuck_IT1> make sure they die expecially gconfd
[08:20] <ReL1K_> anyone run into the problem where you copy and paste something it spits of like japanese output?
[08:20] <Le-Chuck_IT1> if there is no gconfd then it's not the same problem I've been experiencing recently
[08:22] <joebob777as7> Le-Chuck_IT1, ok killed all of my user processes... now what?
[08:23] <Le-Chuck_IT1> are you the only one using the pc now?
[08:23] <joebob777as7> yes
[08:23] <Le-Chuck_IT1> well, what I did was to remove (as an user, not as root) all of the contents of /tmp and /var/tmp
[08:24] <Le-Chuck_IT1> and then try again to log in to gnome
[08:24] <Le-Chuck_IT1> so I did as user "rm /var/tmp/* /var/tmp/.* /tmp/.* /tmp/* -rf"
[08:24] <Le-Chuck_IT1> joebob777as7: you're chatting from another machine right?
[08:25] <joebob777as7> yes Le-Chuck_IT1
[08:25] <Le-Chuck_IT1> :)
[08:25] <ShackJack> Yay - dpkg is fixed!
[08:25] <Le-Chuck_IT1> you never know
[08:25] <joebob777as7> still no luck same deal
[08:25] <Le-Chuck_IT1> less .xsession-errors
[08:26] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ?
[08:26] <ShackJack> Le-Chuck_IT1: Bah - I'll be brave....
[08:26] <Le-Chuck_IT1> going to use the tty for the rest of your life?
[08:26] <tohtorijep> hello.. does anybody else have the problem with gnome-terminal fonts..
[08:26] <Reaby> ^^ topic.
[08:27] <joebob777as7> tohtorijep, look at channel topic
[08:27] <tohtorijep> ok
[08:27] <tohtorijep> thanks bye
[08:28] <joebob777as7> Le-Chuck_IT1, how do i see what errors my xsession is having? btw i can right click and go into the desktop manager just fine there are just no menus or icons...
[08:28] <Le-Chuck_IT1> are you using the default session in gdm?
[08:28] <Le-Chuck_IT1> you can see errors in the tty using cat or less
[08:28] <Le-Chuck_IT1> less .xsession-errors
[08:28] <joebob777as7> yes as far as i know
[08:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> and you can try to run programs on X from the tty using "export DISPLAY=:0.0"
[08:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> which will allow you to run e.g. nautilus from the tty and see it under X
[08:29] <Le-Chuck_IT1> so you can at least see if it starts and some error on the tty
[08:31] <joebob777as7> window manager warning: Failed to read saved session file /home/joe/.metacity/sessions/default0.ms: Failed to open file '/home/joe/.netacity/sessions/default0.ms': No such file or directory
[08:32] <joebob777as7> then at the bottom /bin/sh: /usr/bin/esd: not found
[08:32] <ShackJack> It says ".netacity" (with an "N")?
[08:32] <joebob777as7> lol no i had to type it ShackJack
[08:33] <KenSentMe> Hmm, my laptop touchpad doesn't click or scroll anymore, i can only move the mouse around. Anyone else with the same problem?
[08:33] <ShackJack> Ah, was gonna say  -there's your problem right there :)
[08:33] <joebob777as7> lol
[08:33] <Le-Chuck_IT1> KenSentMe:
[08:33] <joebob777as7> i whish it was that easy...
[08:33] <Le-Chuck_IT1> there is a new preference in System
[08:33] <Le-Chuck_IT1> for the touchpad :)
[08:34] <KenSentMe> Le-Chuck_IT1, hey, cool
[08:34] <Le-Chuck_IT1> go to "system->preferences->mouse"
[08:34] <KenSentMe> It wasnt there 3 hours ago
[08:34] <Le-Chuck_IT1> joebob777as7: the esd part does not matter
[08:34] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I suppose this will get fixed some day
[08:34] <KenSentMe> Le-Chuck_IT1, thanks
[08:35] <Le-Chuck_IT1> np :)
[08:35] <joebob777as7> ok so basically reinstall and run all updates again? Le-Chuck_IT1 ...
[08:35] <Le-Chuck_IT1> now I would try to "grep default0.ms .*" in my home
[08:35] <Le-Chuck_IT1> or maybe that's the default session
[08:35] <Le-Chuck_IT1> which metacity should have and it doesn't find
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> this I don't know
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> joebob777as7:
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I run grep
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I ran grep
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> whatever
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> and I have that error too :(
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> so it's not the problem
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> you should try to understand what script is launched by gdm for your session
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> then try all the commands one at a time
[08:36] <Le-Chuck_IT1> but
[08:37] <Le-Chuck_IT1> did you try running nautilus from the console?
[08:37] <Le-Chuck_IT1> got to go for dinner
[08:37] <joebob777as7> ok thx Le-Chuck_IT1
[08:37] <Le-Chuck_IT1> did you try launching nautilus?
[08:38] <joebob777as7> no i will though i just rebooted. should i try running nautilus before i try to log in for the first time after reboot?
[08:38] <Le-Chuck_IT1> I think that's the same
[08:38] <Le-Chuck_IT1> try to create a new user
[08:38] <Le-Chuck_IT1> this will tell you if the problem is in your configuration
[08:38] <Le-Chuck_IT1> to do that from the tty use
[08:39] <joebob777as7> i did that just using adduser... is there something else i have to do?
[08:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ok
[08:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> it doesn't work from the new user, too, I suppose
[08:39] <joebob777as7> because when i tried to log in it told me that there was no home dir...
[08:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ah
[08:39] <Le-Chuck_IT1> why?
[08:40] <Le-Chuck_IT1> adduser should create the home directory
[08:40] <Le-Chuck_IT1> did you run out of disk space on / or /home?
[08:40] <ShackJack> !enter | Le-Chuck_IT1 (just sayin')
[08:40] <ubotu> Le-Chuck_IT1 (just sayin'): Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[08:40] <joebob777as7> lol no. on a 500gb hdd fresh install
[08:40] <Vegar> hmm
[08:40] <Vegar> when was dpkg -13 put in apt?
[08:41] <Le-Chuck_IT1> ShackJack: sorry
[08:41] <ShackJack> Vegar: Today - it's gone now - busted...
[08:41] <joebob777as7> ShackJack, when is that font console thing going to be toast?
[08:41] <Vegar> ShackJack: exactly when today?
[08:42] <Vegar> I might have upgraded my laptop
[08:42] <Pici> ShackJack: should be fixed now, update and apt-cache policy it
[08:42] <ShackJack> DUnno *exactly* eariler this morn (EST)
[08:42] <Vegar> oh well, I'm sure I'll notice if I got -13
[08:42] <jack_mcdowell> has anyone got this? I can't complete my upgrades n_2.20.0-1ubuntu2_all.deb) ...
[08:42] <jack_mcdowell> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:42] <ShackJack> Pici: Not be - Vegar :)
[08:42] <ShackJack> *me
[08:42] <Le-Chuck_IT1> joebob777as7: try to discover why adduser didn't create an home directory, it's a script. Or just mv .[^.] * DOTFILES
[08:42] <ShackJack> jack_mcdowell: See /topic
[08:42] <jack_mcdowell> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[08:42] <Le-Chuck_IT1> (where DOTFILES is a new dir). Got to go bye
[08:43] <joebob777as7> ok thx Le-Chuck_IT1
[08:43] <joebob777as7> ttyl
[08:44] <jack_mcdowell> the dpkg? I asked and someone said we were on -14 now...
[08:45] <contrast83> Is anyone else having trouble changing their KDM theme? I already tried editing and removing /etc/default/kdm.d/20_kubuntu_default_settings, as well as manually editing kdmrc, all to no avail. Any ideas?
[08:46] <ShackJack> jack_mcdowell: What version do you have?
[08:46] <Marlun> ShackJack: Had to go away from the computer, now when I tried to upgrade I get the message "The package apt needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it."
[08:47] <ShackJack> Marlun: wget http://launchpadlibrarian.net/9152616/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[08:47] <mtfuchs> why the hell does kubuntu gutsy tribe 5 use lilo?
[08:48] <contrast83> mtfuchs: o.O It's not using lilo here.
[08:48] <winbond> how do i see where foo is installed ?  how do i create links to file using dolphin??
[08:48] <ShackJack> contrast83: He said kubuntu...
[08:48] <Marlun> thanks, brb :)
[08:48] <contrast83> ShackJack: I realize that. ;-)
[08:48] <jack_mcdowell> of dpkg? 1.14.5ubuntu12 I'm not sure what's been upgraded because it hasn't finished completely yet... but it seems like there are more packages now (it's still getting the list) so I'll just be patient
[08:48] <mtfuchs> contrast83: yes it does. and there was even no opportunity to use grub. this is the alternate install cd.
[08:49] <ShackJack> I have no lilo either... I thought Kubuntu let you pick or something...
[08:49] <contrast83> mtfuchs: That's what I installed from as well. Weird.
[08:49] <mtfuchs> I mean I have no problem with lilo. just thought nobody uses it anymore.
[08:49] <contrast83> mtfuchs: Have you had any luck changing the KDM theme?
[08:50] <Pici> hmm, that cut off a bit
[08:50] <mtfuchs> contrast83: the install just finished 2 minutes ago ;)
[08:50] <contrast83> Oh ok. Heh
[08:51] <pwnguin> there was a dpkg issue?
[08:51] <mtfuchs> now I will watch DVB out of the box and then I will try to install grub :)
[08:51] <ShackJack> Pici: Very descriptive! Now let's see if anyone reads it :P
[08:51] <Pici> pwnguin: apt/dpkg issue.
[08:51] <Pici> ShackJack: They wont :(
[08:51] <mtfuchs> ah, not to forget to encrypt /home
[08:51] <pwnguin> glad i missed that one
[08:52] <Pici> But now you can just point them to the topic instead of explaining it.
[08:52] <ShackJack> Pici: Yep... very nice...
[08:53] <mtfuchs> oh, wow. the media:/ bug got finally fixed.
[08:57] <Skiessi> what's the "dpkg issue"?
[08:58] <jbroome> dpkg was FUBAR earlier
[08:58] <ShackJack> Skiessi: See link in topic...
[08:59] <Pici> Heh.
[09:00] <ShackJack> Or should I say "see link in the lucid, descriptive, well-written topic"...
[09:00] <Pici> :)
[09:00] <mtfuchs> arg. dvb does not work o o t b.
[09:02] <ReL1K_> anyone run into the problem where you copy and paste something it spits of like japanese output?
[09:02] <mtfuchs> no v4l-dvb module in generic kernel?
[09:02] <CyD_> last update doesnt work
[09:02] <CyD_> block on libgnome2-common
[09:05] <ShackJack> Whew! Lots of updates today...
[09:05] <Skiessi> yeah
[09:08] <winbond> whats suposed to be in the moz_libdir and MRE_HOME directories , which the firefox startup script refers to ?
[09:11] <Zvezdichko> so... according to the topic it's safe to run apt-get upgrade right?
[09:12] <jack_mcdowell> it should be, if not follow the bug report in the link
[09:13] <ReL1K_> anyone got dual monitors working in xorg with an intel video card?
[09:15] <gnomefreak> guys stay away from updates for now
[09:15] <gnomefreak> ubuntu14 will fix it but not all mirrors have been updated
[09:16] <jack_mcdowell> ahhhh... that explains it... I had to manually install 14 because it was still showing 13
[09:17] <winbond> how do i check where foo installed to ?
[09:18] <gnomefreak> jack_mcdowell: me too
[09:18] <gnomefreak> but should be in all repos soon as it is critcal bug
[09:18] <jack_mcdowell> winbond: does whereis foo work? it should tell you where most packages are
[09:18] <gnomefreak> very critical bug
[09:19] <Pici> winbond: foo is a package or file?
[09:19] <winbond> jack_mcdowell, that works thanks you,
[09:19] <jack_mcdowell> gnomefreak: I just wish I would have checked this channel before, I should have realized that switching to the Development version means exactly that
[09:20] <jack_mcdowell> np
[09:20] <winbond> Pici, package? i think
[09:20] <IntuitiveNipple> what's broken now?
[09:20] <Pici> winbond: dpkg -L packagename shows every file that a particular package installed.
[09:20] <Pici> IntuitiveNipple: dpkg/apt was broken, see the topic
[09:21] <ReL1K_> how do you do the 3d cube in compiz? what buttons initiate it? stupid question there but can't figure i tout
[09:21] <winbond> Pici, nice, i can use that too , thanks
[09:21] <IntuitiveNipple> Pici: oh, yes, I was backtracing that earlier
[09:22] <IntuitiveNipple> Thought something else had broken... spent a good part of last night on the font_rendering dpi bug too :0
[09:23] <KenSentMe> I get an error in Firefox when trying to open non-existing urls. I run Ubuntu in Dutch language. How do i get the error in englis?
[09:23] <KenSentMe> *english
[09:28] <xtknight> i am aware of the alternate cd, but by any method is it possible to mount a RAID volume and install using ubiquity-installer?  would modprobing mdadm be enough for /dev/md0 to show up *somewhere*?
[09:31] <strabes> what is the deal with synaptics touchpads after yesterday's upgrade?
[09:32] <strabes> I fixed the gnome-terminal and appearance window problem, but my touchpad's settings like scrolling and tapping still don't apply
[09:35] <IntuitiveNipple> Which particular issues? Enabling tapping for clicks in the Mouse Properties?
[09:38] <CyD_> at the moment are the updates broken ?
[09:39] <ConstyXIV> can you get GDM to let you do user-<tab>-password again?
[09:40] <mluser-work> Is there a way I can force Gutsy to use the 2.6.20 feisty kernel instead of the 2.6.22 kernel?
[09:40] <IntuitiveNipple> CyD_: Is it this that is affecting you? http://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released] 
[09:41] <nanonyme> mluser-work, certainly. add it to boot yourself and edit bootloader files accordingly
[09:41] <CyD_> IntuitiveNipple, yes, i segfault on libgnome2-common
[09:42] <nanonyme> mluser-work, it might break things though
[09:42] <IntuitiveNipple> CyD_: The fix is there
[09:42] <jack_mcdowell> is anyone running gutsy on an hp dv notebook?
[09:42] <CyD_> im looking
[09:42] <mluser-work> nanonyme: I can do that.. but then I run into the problem where the restricted drivers offered by Gutsy wont work with the older kernel
[09:42] <nanonyme> yeah, exactly...
[09:42] <nanonyme> can't you just install feisty?
[09:43] <nanonyme> backport the software you need
[09:43] <mluser-work> nanonyme: sure I can, just loved keeping up with the ubuntu developers and all the new stuff showing up, my problem is that suspend/hibernate wont work on my laptop with the 2.6.22 kernel :(
[09:44] <nanonyme> heh...
[09:44] <nanonyme> sucks :/
[09:44] <mluser-work> sigh :/
[09:44] <nanonyme> mluser-work, which laptop, btw?
[09:44] <mluser-work> Asus M6800N
[09:44] <nanonyme> i'm having problem with that with my ibook
[09:44] <nanonyme> problems even
[09:45] <mluser-work> thats my only problem with Gutsy at the moment.. but I live on being able to suspend my machine
[09:45] <IntuitiveNipple> which bug have you posted that to?
[09:45] <jack_mcdowell> it doesn't work on my hp dv6000 either... but nothing works well on it :)
[09:46] <nanonyme> mluser-work, heh, isn't restricted drivers just ordinary kernel module + firmware?
[09:46] <nanonyme> at least usually
[09:47] <CyD_> thanks IntuitiveNipple , it worked :)
[09:47] <mluser-work> nanonyme: madwifi and fglrx drivers are compiled for 2.6.22 kernel on Gutsy, which wont work when I revert back to the 2.6.20 feisty kernel which allows my laptop to suspend/resume
[09:48] <mluser-work> nanonyme: and I have to have wifi
[09:48] <nanonyme> hmm...
[09:48] <nanonyme> wifi has always been a problem with linux
[09:48] <CyD_> use ndiswrapper
[09:48] <CyD_> ?
[09:48] <hylje> nah
[09:48] <hylje> wifi has worked for me very well
[09:48] <nanonyme> especially for me
[09:48] <hylje> just get the right hardware
[09:48] <IntuitiveNipple> That's because the ABIs are different - you would need to build the restricted-modules from gutsy against the older kernel, which would most likely break things because of all the surrounding ABI changes
[09:48] <mluser-work> and me too..
[09:48] <nanonyme> i need a fully open specs wifi card
[09:49] <nanonyme> if i want full compatibility
[09:49] <ConstyXIV> i've got the broadcom 4306 working smoothly with the OSS drivers
[09:49] <Centaur5> Since Ebox won't make it onto Gutsy would it be a disaster to put the mirrors listed on their site and install it anyway?
[09:49] <Secher> is it possible to change the SWAP partition i made when i installed ubuntu? Apperently its not big enough to hibernate the system..
[09:49] <nanonyme> ConstyXIV, my broadcom doesn't work that well with them
[09:49] <jack_mcdowell> speaking of wifi, is booting with noapic nolapic the reason my card no longer appears in my lspci or is there some other bizarre reason?
[09:50] <CyD_> IntuitiveNipple, do the incons in the menu and the gnome terminal working again after the upadte and reboot ?
[09:50] <mluser-work> well.. I'm still giving the developers time before Gutsy release, if not.. then I have no problems going back to feisty, just hate not being able to keep up with the new releases :D
[09:51] <ConstyXIV> nanonyme: do a "lspci | grep Broadcom" and tell us which chipset it is
[09:51] <IntuitiveNipple> CyD_: If you make sure gnome-icon-theme is (re)installed, if it broke
[09:52] <nanonyme> BCM4318
[09:52] <ConstyXIV> nanonyme: yeah, that's what i though
[09:52] <ConstyXIV> t
[09:52] <nanonyme> it's been having problems?
[09:52] <CyD_> IntuitiveNipple, nice all come back after the reboot
[09:52] <CyD_> :)
[09:52] <ConstyXIV> the 18s dont work with the OSS driver yet
[09:52] <nanonyme> ahh
[09:53] <nanonyme> ConstyXIV, i already got it to work once
[09:53] <nanonyme> wasn't able to replicate the thing though
[09:53] <nanonyme> so i suspect it's just very unstable
[09:53] <sebastian> i am trying to upgrade to gutsy and it comes to the last package ... it seems to fail the MD5sum check and then it starts again and again and ... can i force it?
[09:53] <CountX> anyone here know how to help me with avidemux
[09:53] <sebastian> i mean the last package is latex
[09:53] <nanonyme> text mode interface worked, graphical never
[09:53] <CountX> it wont open an OGG video file
[09:53] <sebastian> i can install that later when i need it
[09:53] <mon^rch> before I crash X, can anyone tell me if I can run opengl apps + compiz yet?
[09:55] <IntuitiveNipple> mon^rch: What video hardware?
[09:55] <eagles0513875> i have a question i just got a laptop hard drive and enclosure i try to mount into it to transfer stuff its usb but for some reason says hal refuses uid1000
[09:55] <mon^rch> nvidia gs7600
[09:56] <eagles0513875> its in ntfs btw i know bout ntfs-3g went into fstab but no option to make it ntfs 3g usable
[09:56] <mon^rch> I suppose I could just start a game, but I dont want to kill my session right now
[09:57] <CountX> whats the easiest way to convert an ogg file?
[09:57] <CountX> ogg video files
[09:58] <CountX> anyone?
[09:59] <sebastian> CountX: http://liquidat.wordpress.com/2007/09/04/short-tip-convert-ogg-screencasts-to-avi/
[09:59] <IntuitiveNipple> mon^rch: There's an ongoing bug with GLX and nvidia, but there is a fix published with the bug report
[09:59] <jack_mcdowell> well mon^rch urbanterror4 just crashed my X
[10:00] <michael__> ok so,  for  soem reason, KNetworkManager doesn't open up at every startup, so when i do open it, my wireless card isn't there, even though my ipw3945 shows in the proc mnager, usually after a few reboots knetworkmanager shows up and lets me use wireless, but it hasnt been and ive been wanting to solvethis., any ideas?
[10:01] <IntuitiveNipple> mon^rch: bug #130325
[10:01] <michael__> this hasbeen happening for a while, so i tried upgrading the gutsy and it now i cant even get wireless up
[10:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 130325 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx]  3D GL apps crash X when using compiz due to unmaked ABI change (gutsy)" [High,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/130325
[10:01] <sebastian> does anybody have any idea what to do with the update_manager to make it ignore a package when upgrading to gutsy?
[10:01] <sebastian> mine keeps coming up with a MD5sum error ... it's the last (1440th) package
[10:05] <nanonyme> ConstyXIV, should i expect support during gutsy?
[10:06] <No1Viking> I have an update called gcalctool that does not work. Anyone got suggestions how to force it to install och how to disable just that update among all other packages?
[10:07] <jetsaredim> where are the easiest instructions on upgrading to gusty from feisty?
[10:08] <eagles0513875> what does it mean when it says hal-storage-removable-mount-all-options refused uid1000
[10:08] <sebastian> No1Viking: i have the same question ... but i have a problem with latex
[10:08] <eagles0513875> sebastian: whats the problem with latex dude
[10:08] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[10:08] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[10:09] <darrend> mon^rch: http://ppa.launchpad.net/keescook/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xorg-server/xserver-xorg-core_1.3.0.0.dfsg-12ubuntu5~ppa1_i386.deb is working well for me so far
[10:09] <sebastian> eagles0513875: well i am using the update-manager to upgrade to gutsy and latex is not satisfying the MD5sum check .... the last package ... no idea how to force the update-manager to proceed
[10:09] <eagles0513875> humm
[10:09] <sebastian> the last out of 1440 ... i doubt the network connection just started failing
[10:09] <jetsaredim> is there an easy way to upgrade to gutsy on the command-line?
[10:10] <sebastian> jetsaredim: i wouldn't know ... but if there was i wouldn't want to redownload everything i've already downloaded
[10:10] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: ya but involves editing the source lists
[10:10] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[10:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[10:10] <eagles0513875> that is where u get the source codes
[10:10] <eagles0513875> so basically use that and choose the ones for gutsy
[10:11] <jetsaredim> sebastian: ?
[10:11] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: u know what im talking bout
[10:11] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: and that's a problem?
[10:11] <sebastian> jetsaredim: i wasn't sure whether you were making a suggestion or asking a question ;)
[10:11] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: i have had some issues with it where u end up breaking things and ive ended up having to do a clean install
[10:11] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: awesome
[10:12] <eagles0513875> for instance when they released feisty i did a dist upgrade it broke some stuff so ive basically ended up doing a clean install lol after trying it
[10:12] <jetsaredim> yea i had that happen too
[10:12] <jetsaredim> with the same result
[10:12] <jetsaredim> thankfully I don't have much on my systems that can't be recovered
[10:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:13] <eagles0513875> im having a pain in ass issue wiht a usb external laptop drive
[10:13] <eagles0513875> i cant mount it
[10:13] <jetsaredim> i have to say that although there were a couple glitches to upgrading my laptop to gutsy went ok and i've been using it for a few weeks on  gutsy
[10:13] <jetsaredim> that's no good
[10:14] <eagles0513875> kool 32 bit im guessing jetsaredim
[10:14] <eagles0513875> anyone have any ideas to help me with my usb laptop enclosure as to why i cant mount it
[10:14] <jetsaredim> yea
[10:15] <eagles0513875> what should i try
[10:15] <eagles0513875> i had to format it into ntfs cuz i had some stuff i wanted to get off a desktop
[10:15] <No1Viking> How do I manually repair a package?
[10:16] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/110210
[10:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 110210 in hal "Unable to mount external USB hard drives" [Undecided,New] 
[10:16] <eagles0513875> doh
[10:16] <eagles0513875> i dont have any space on my winblows machine lol
[10:18] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: that doesnt help cuz its for feisty
[10:18] <eagles0513875> i cant even mount this thing
[10:19] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: did you try the right-click work-around?
[10:19] <eagles0513875> hold up
[10:19] <jetsaredim> uncheck "mount as user"
[10:20] <eagles0513875> ok
[10:20] <eagles0513875> then manually mount
[10:20] <jetsaredim> err ya
[10:20] <jetsaredim> not saying its elegant
[10:20] <eagles0513875> it seems to work but now its complaining about not being clean
[10:21] <jetsaredim> not sure
[10:21] <jetsaredim> i just did a search in google for that error string
[10:21] <jetsaredim> that was like one of the first things to pop up
[10:21] <jetsaredim> that's usually the first thing I do when I get an error
[10:22] <jetsaredim> 9 out of 10 times you're not the first person to run into it - unless you're on a dev testing team or something
[10:22] <Centaur5> I typed iptables -A INPUT -s 10.18.251.15 -j DROP and iptables -A OUTPUT -d 10.18.251.15 -j DROP to stop a DHCP server from assigning addresses to my network. Should that suffice?
[10:22] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: <3 lol it worked
[10:22] <eagles0513875> im goign to put ext3
[10:22] <eagles0513875> on the drive how do i format it now
[10:22] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: needs to be unmounted
[10:22] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: ok then what lol
[10:23] <jetsaredim> find the device path
[10:23] <jetsaredim> /dev something
[10:23] <eagles0513875> its in /dev/sda1
[10:23] <jetsaredim> and then sudo mke2fs -j /device/path
[10:23] <eagles0513875> givee m ea mmin here to copy stuff off of there
[10:23] <philip_> I AM BROKEN!
[10:23] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: couldnt i also install qtparted
[10:23] <jetsaredim> philip_: are you ... pantera?
[10:23] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: you could
[10:24] <philip_> jetsaredim, if I'm...pantera, would I receive some help? :P
[10:24] <jetsaredim> that's the chorus from a song by the bank pantera
[10:24] <jetsaredim> sorry :)
[10:25] <jetsaredim> its best to just ask the question and someone who knows how to help will answer
[10:25] <jetsaredim> s/nak/band
[10:25] <jetsaredim> err  s/bank/band
[10:25] <jetsaredim> wow - i can't type
[10:26] <eagles0513875> lol
[10:26] <eagles0513875> i cant when im laying down on my bed using wifi in winblows lol
[10:26] <jetsaredim> eagles0513875: tmi
[10:26] <philip_> the topic did it for me
[10:26] <eagles0513875> jetsaredim: how is that tmi lol
[10:27] <pwnguin> cute
[10:28] <pwnguin> if i run a terminal, the title bar falls under the top gnome panel
[10:31] <branstrom> Pidgin says I need an SSL library, but I seem to already have libssl
[10:31] <branstrom> It needs it to connect to IM services. IRC is fine without it, but nothing else works.
[10:32] <branstrom> Pidgin 2.2.0, and I've just upgraded to gutsy.
[10:32] <pwnguin> branstrom: take a look at the pidgin bugs list real quick
[10:34] <pwnguin> branstrom: also, is pidgin-encryption installed?
[10:48] <svu> $ dpkg-query -L gnome-applets
[10:48] <svu> Package `gnome-applets' does not contain any files (!)
[10:49] <svu> Sweet
[10:49] <svu> gnome 2.20 is overoptimized in gutsy
[10:55] <jetsaredim> !aptfix
[10:55] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[11:00] <soundray> I get stuck after logging in: gnome doesn't come up. dbus doesn't seem to be running. Any hints on how to approach this problem?
[11:00] <mluser-work> nanonyme: Just curious what video card do you have?
[11:02] <gordonjcp> any idea as to when -rt kernels will have nvidia support?
[11:06] <RichardHun1> I'm having trouble with the Update Manager. When I click Install updates, it starts but then almost immediately says that it's complete, leaving a have installed package and all other updates sitting. Anyone else getting this?
[11:06] <Armor_Azrael> A recent update (I don't know exactly which one) broke the window decorations (i.e. title bar, open/close/window dragging) when compiz is running
[11:06] <RichardHun1> The first package that did this was dselect
[11:06] <Armor_Azrael> What should I do to try to figure out what's going on?
[11:08] <soundray> RichardHun1: try a 'sudo apt-get -f install' in a terminal
[11:10] <Armor_Azrael> (It's not urgent or anything, I switched it back to full metacity, but I would like to determine what's wrong.)
[11:11] <RichardHun1> oh dear: Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[11:11] <oneword> hi, got a friend who's using ubuntu gutsy. He got repeating keys, E.g. if he presses "M" he will get "MMMMMMMM" anyone knows what's wrong?
[11:11] <soundray> RichardHun1: oops. See if you can 'sudo dpkg --configure -a'
[11:11] <RichardHun1> It happens while trying to replace libgnomevfs2-common
[11:12] <Armor_Azrael> oneword: Check in Preferences->Universal Access->Keyboard Accessiblity
[11:12] <marting> oneword: is it an intermittent problem?
[11:12] <Armor_Azrael> He may have key repeat delay set too low and character repeat too high
[11:13] <RichardHun1> ok, I think dpkg is broken for me, it keeps on segmentation faulting
[11:13] <IntuitiveNipple> RichardHun1: http://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[11:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released] 
[11:13] <oneword> marting: i don't think so
[11:15] <RichardHun1> Thanks, that's definitely what's going on
[11:16] <oneword> He solved it by disabling Enable Repeat Keys", thanks for your time!
[11:20] <Zvezdichko> wow... who is Brian Murray?
[11:22] <gordonjcp> right well
[11:22] <gordonjcp> back to Feisty then
[11:24] <d4rkmonkey> I got this error both two times I tried to start up: http://paste.ubuntu.com/282/
[11:24] <d4rkmonkey> Anyone know how to fix this?
[11:29] <RichardHun1> I downloaded dpkg 1.14.5ubuntu14 from launchpad and 'dpkg -i'ed it. Everything seems to be running smoothly again, thanks.
[11:29] <nikolam> Does anyone knows anything about Open Office not working?
[11:29] <RichardHun1> Is it a bug that the Update Manager didn't recognise the Segmentation Fault as an error and reported that the update had completed successfully?
[11:30] <ReL1K> anyone know why the compiz menu might be missing from preferences?
[11:31] <RichardHun1> nikolam: I had random crashes and no icons in openoffice a while ago. I did 'rm -rf .openoffice.org2' and they went away. There must have been a more clinical way to solve the problem though :)
[11:31] <IntuitiveNipple> Has anyone noticed the Gnome log-out icon (top-right) has changed to a running-man?
[11:32] <RichardHun1> IntuitiveNipple: I think that depends on your theme settings?
[11:32] <IntuitiveNipple> default here... gnome-icon-theme updated yesterday so maybe that
[11:32] <IntuitiveNipple> I just noticed something was different, and took me a while to work out what it was!
[11:33] <nikolam> RichardHun1: It is interesting that Ooo works as ordinary user. But not if username is marked as able to run administrative tasks
[11:34] <nikolam> I tryed removing .openoffice.org2 does not work
[11:35] <pwnguin> fi cant be the only one who's windows ignore gnome panel locations
[11:35] <chrisbudden14> hey, i've had a browse at the forums, but cant find what im looking for,  Just did an upgrade from feisty, and Hal is having a problem upgrading.  would anyone mind having a look here -> http://pastebin.ca/702481
[11:36] <CountX> how do you friggin change the workspaces to 4
[11:36] <CountX> i cant find the place to change it
[11:37] <RichardHun1> CountX: using compiz?
[11:37] <d4rkmonkey> CountX have you tried right clicking the workspace area on the panel and goign to preferences?
[11:37] <pwnguin> CountX: compiz uses "view ports" or something
[11:37] <pwnguin> im not sure why
[11:38] <pwnguin> but the end result is that the workspace switcher currently doesnt play with compiz
[11:38] <CountX> no its like not there
[11:38] <pwnguin> i used a universe tool to fix it
[11:38] <CountX> poo, i gotta restart X
[11:38] <pwnguin> ccsm
[11:39] <CountX> ok, im back
[11:40] <CountX> how do i change the number of workspaces?
[11:40] <pwnguin> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:40] <ubotu> compizconfig-settings-manager: Compiz configuration settings manager. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2+git20070912-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 498 kB, installed size 3268 kB
[11:40] <d4rkmonkey> my "Gnome Settings Daemon" seems to have stopped starting, anyone know how I can fix this?
[11:40] <CountX> d4rkmonkey: that happened to me, just restart a few time
[11:40] <CountX> d4rkmonkey: actually i had to update like once or twice too
[11:41] <d4rkmonkey> CountX k, I'll try that. I've already restarted 3 times...
[11:41] <pwnguin> CountX: that package has some tools to set stuff like you want correctly, at least
[11:41] <chrisbudden14> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/123966 hmm that worked.  strange that I was not in a chroot environment
[11:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123966 in hal "[gutsy]  cannot install hal into a chroot" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[11:42] <d4rkmonkey> well, I just noticed I have 176 updates to install, lets try that... lol
[11:44] <CountX> still cant add more workspaces, stuck at 2
[11:44] <IntuitiveNipple> d4rkmonkey: STOP!!
[11:45] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple ?
[11:45] <IntuitiveNipple> d4rkmonkey: to avoid yourself having problems, update dpkg to the latest as per bug #140739 first :)
[11:45] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[11:45] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple err, its doing all the updates available right now, how do I update only dpkg?
[11:46] <IntuitiveNipple> or, as it ought to be in the archives now, simply do "sudo apt-get install dpkg"
[11:46] <ConstyXIV> does anyone know if the suspend bug with the r200 and 'radeon' drivers will ever be fixed?
[11:46] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple ok, I'm doing that now, why does it need to be updated first?
[11:46] <IntuitiveNipple> d4rkmonkey: you need version 1.14.5ubuntu14
[11:47] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple yeah, thats what it just did.
[11:47] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple safe to do the rest of the updates now?
[11:47] <IntuitiveNipple> Because .13 has broken overnight... if the one update-manager is going to update to is .14 then you're safe
[11:47] <IntuitiveNipple> But you don't want the hassle :)
[11:47] <d4rkmonkey> I just updated to .14, good to install updates through update-manager now?
[11:47] <IntuitiveNipple> yes
[11:48] <d4rkmonkey> IntuitiveNipple ok, thanks.
[11:48] <ShanShan> Out of curiosity, when will the gutsy commercial repository come online?
[11:48] <CountX> i get a 403 forbidden
[11:48] <CountX> it dead
[11:49] <ShanShan> commercial is dead?
[11:51] <CountX> ok i use compiz-fusion, where might i find the workspaces, to add more
[11:51] <d4rkmonkey> CountX install compizconfig-settings-manager
[11:51] <d4rkmonkey> CountX theres settings in there.
[11:52] <jeffferrari> anyone using a synaptics touchpad having trouble with one of the last dailys?
[11:52] <IntuitiveNipple> trouble?
[11:53] <CountX> d4rkmonkey: i changed the virtual desktops, but in the cube its still showing 2
[11:53] <_sidd> jeffferrari: Yea, the tap-to-click and the scroll stopped working...
[11:53] <jeffferrari> _sidd:  yeah same
[11:53] <d4rkmonkey> CountX err, you might have been in the wrong section or something? I'm sorry, I have no idea.
[11:53] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: System > Preferences > Advanced Desktop Effects Settings
[11:54] <jeffferrari> _sidd: well, actually all synaptic driver style effects - drag also etc etc
[11:54] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: Then, General Options > Desktop Size > Horizontal Virtual Size = 4
[11:54] <jeffferrari> _sidd: although I think the driver still works, I can tap to click my login field at gdm
[11:54] <_sidd> jeffferrari: Apparently, it can be fixed by going to System -> Preferences -> Mouse Settings (I think)
[11:54] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: The v-vsize and desktops should be 1
[11:55] <ShanShan> No one knows the status of commercial?
[11:55] <CountX> IntuitiveNipple: sweet
[11:55] <jeffferrari> _sidd: WOW lol that was definitely not there before - oh I love running development versions :)
[11:55] <_sidd> jeffferrari: I'm not on my ubuntu machine right now to confirm... but that's the information I've gathered by lurking around here.
[11:56] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: and using gconf-editor (for workspaces) navigate to /apps/metacity/general and ensure "workspaces" = 4
[11:56] <_sidd> jeffferrari: Ah... glad it worked for you... I'll try it out once I get home. :-)
[11:56] <jeffferrari> _sidd: 100% works for me - prob means they enabled shmmem
[11:56] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: err, I mean  "num_workspaces" = 4
[11:56] <gnomefreak> ShanShan: expect it after gutsy release
[11:56] <ShanShan> okay
[11:57] <jeffferrari> _sidd: yeah there's actually a 3rd tab there called "touchpad" now - used to have to grab the synaptic manager package
[11:57] <jeffferrari> (as in mouse not package manager)
[11:57] <CountX> how can you click and drag windows while zoomed out, i saw it in a youtube
[11:57] <IntuitiveNipple> jeffferrari: Sensitivity doesn't work it seems
[11:57] <jeffferrari> IntuitiveNipple: no option for it afaics
[11:57] <IntuitiveNipple> jeffferrari:  on the Motion tab
[11:58] <CountX> IntuitiveNipple: nvm its the "expo" plugin
[11:58] <IntuitiveNipple> CountX: ahh, ok
[11:58] <jeffferrari> IntuitiveNipple: ahhh I believe that still only affects external mice - I can check when I get to work, I use a logitech usb
[11:59] <IntuitiveNipple> jeffferrari: It doesn't work with external mouse either
[12:00] <jeffferrari> IntuitiveNipple: crap... is it already reported?
[12:00] <IntuitiveNipple> jeffferrari: aye :)
[12:01] <IntuitiveNipple> Bug #140585
[12:01] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140585 in gsynaptics "[gnome-mouse-properties]  Sensitivity doesn't affect touchpad" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140585
[12:01] <jeffferrari> IntuitiveNipple: out of curiosity, you don't know how they are making this work? the shmem option is not turned on in my xorg.conf
[12:01] <jeffferrari> ta
[12:03] <SWAT> When I login to GNOME, the background color turns orange, I see the GNOME splash screen and as soon as my desktop loads, I see my settings (black background). How/Where can I change the 'orange' color or where is it defined? I tried editing my gdm.conf, I changed the color at the 'login' settings screen etc.. Could someone see if they also have the problem? (running gutsy atm)
[12:08] <jeffferrari> Bug #92128
[12:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 92128 in control-center "No option to disable tap-to-click" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/92128
[12:08] <IntuitiveNipple> jeffferrari: I found this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy/+source/gnome-control-center/1:2.19.92-0ubuntu3
[12:08] <jeffferrari> looks resolved by this
[12:08] <jeffferrari> legend
[12:08] <Vegar> I had tap-to-click this morning, after a synaptics driver update
[12:09] <jlouis_> hah, *yet* another compiz upgrade ;)
[12:09] <pwnguin> this one seems to break window placement
[12:09] <pwnguin> whee
[12:10] <scheater5> Does anyone know anything about Archos brand media players?
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> SWAT: you're seeing the default background until your custom theme settings are loaded. The reason you see it is it is taking your PC some time to do the startup tasks before it gets to set the theme.
[12:11] <IntuitiveNipple> SWAT: I sometimes get the same effect when the WiFi takes a while to connect, after a cold start
[12:12] <SWAT> IntuitiveNipple, right. But where/how can I change the default background? (yes, my laptop isn't superfast, 1.4Ghz Celeron)
[12:12] <pwnguin> SWAT: you can do some limited changes with gtweakui
[12:12] <IntuitiveNipple> SWAT System > Preferences > Appearance
[12:12] <pwnguin> SWAT: but the basic problem is that copmiz loads really slowly, even on my core duo laptop
[12:13] <pwnguin> or there
[12:13] <gnomefreak> SWAT: that setting is in the wallpaper config in system>prefferneces>appearance
[12:13] <IntuitiveNipple> SWAT: I *think* changing a background might help
[12:13] <HardDisk> hello
[12:14] <jlouis_> hep!
[12:14] <SWAT> pwnguin, will try that
[12:14] <HardDisk> been having problems updating today? "Preparing to replace gnome-icon-theme 2.19.91-0ubuntu2 (using .../gnome-icon-theme_2.20.0-0ubuntu1_all.deb) ... Segmentation fault (core dumped)"
[12:14] <SWAT> gnomefreak, my wallpapers always have black backgrounds, so that can't be it either
[12:14] <HardDisk> did dpkg --configure -a and autoremove/clean still getting the same issues
[12:14] <IntuitiveNipple> HardDisk: bug #140739
[12:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140739 in dpkg "Apt segfaults on gutsy" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/140739
[12:14] <HardDisk> ah
[12:15] <HardDisk> so its a bug
[12:15] <HardDisk> good :)
[12:15] <pwnguin> SWAT: what happens is it loads the default solid color, then eventually loads your background
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> HardDisk: try "sudo apt-get install dpkg"
[12:15] <gnomefreak> SWAT: you will see the little coloar pallet that is the setting for color you see just before wallpapaer loads
[12:15] <IntuitiveNipple> HardDisk: you need the -14 version of dpkg
[12:15] <SWAT> IntuitiveNipple, will also try that then, I currently have a half sized wallpaper with a black solid color fill
[12:15] <pwnguin> interesting
[12:15] <HardDisk> ah ha...aight
[12:15] <HardDisk> cause I did install dpkg, I get  dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct
[12:16] <HardDisk> so its -14 I need
[12:16] <gnomefreak> HardDisk: it should be in most mirrors by now
[12:16] <HardDisk> interesting
[12:16] <SWAT> pwnguin, so I'll have to take it like a man?
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> HardDisk: Yes
[12:16] <gnomefreak> HardDisk: ubuntu14 is the version needed
[12:16] <IntuitiveNipple> HardDisk: Once dpkg is updated the updates will go ok
[12:16] <pwnguin> SWAT: im not sure. if your solid color is black, i would have thought it was not that.
[12:16] <HardDisk> righty oh..im not that nooby I mean been using suse for a few years and ubuntu for about a year now...but did a google and really couldnt find anything so this was my last resort :D
[12:17] <HardDisk> thanx for the help
[12:17] <d4rkmonkey> This is dumb, I'm no longer getting errors saying that the Gnome Settings daemon can't start, but now I can't turn on desktop effects, and my keyboard shortcuts don't work...
[12:17] <HardDisk> all I use my pc for is watching movies and chatting
[12:17] <SWAT> that's why I'm checking if I'm the only one having this issue. I'm getting blinded when my dark GDM theme switches to bright orange, untill my dark wallpaper and black color arrive
[12:17] <SWAT> pwnguin, ^^
[12:18] <IntuitiveNipple> SWAP? SWAT!
[12:18] <SWAT> s/AP/AT/
[12:18] <IntuitiveNipple> I think mine are too dark - can't see to type :)
[12:18] <asubedi> is xorg.conf needed to get synaptics touchpad to work correctly
[12:18] <HardDisk> part upgrades should do the trick as the people said
[12:19] <HardDisk> there was a new synaptic upgrade recently
[12:19] <HardDisk> should be fine
[12:19] <SWAT> asubedi, configure your 'mouse' (see the synaptic tab)
[12:19] <pwnguin> SWAT: you're right. i donno how to fix that =/
[12:19] <IntuitiveNipple> asubedi: I think yes; we had someone talking about that yesterday.
[12:19] <pwnguin> SWAT: and i highly recommend against gtweakUI, as i appear to have screwed something up
[12:20] <SWAT> well, should I leave it at this (and let it be) or file a bug? The people in #gnome thought this was a downstream issue
[12:20] <asubedi> SWAT:  where do i configure mouse?
[12:20] <asubedi> SWAT: got it? but there is no synaptic tab :/
[12:21] <IntuitiveNipple> asubedi: System > Preferences > Mouse "Touchpad" tab (after all updates applied)
[12:22] <pwnguin> IntuitiveNipple: does the new synaptics upload fix sensativity
[12:22] <pwnguin> ?
[12:22] <asubedi> SWAT: by last sentence should have been: got it. but there is no synaptic tab :/
[12:22] <IntuitiveNipple> pwnguin: Not that I've noticed
[12:22] <HardDisk> neither have I
[12:22] <HardDisk> it seems to be the same
[12:23] <SWAT> asubedi, apply all patches (should work)
[12:23] <HardDisk> but then I dont play quake on a synaptics touchpad :)
[12:23] <SWAT> a friend of mine played CSS with his touchpad once, very freaky
[12:23] <pwnguin> i once tried to play quake with my tablet
[12:23] <asubedi> SWAT: my gusty is up-to-date. what patches do i need to apply?
[12:24] <pwnguin> not as simple as you'd imagine
[12:24] <HardDisk> eheh tablet
[12:24] <HardDisk> yea I can imagine
[12:24] <pwnguin> at first glance you think "aimbot"
[12:24] <HardDisk> he can stab someone with that pen
[12:24] <SWAT> pwnguin, so you were the one who fragged me?
[12:24] <HardDisk> like if he gets fragged a lot, he would get up and stab the guy in the eye then wipe the blood and continue playing with his tablet
[12:24] <pwnguin> i doubt it
[12:24] <pwnguin> it doesnt work well
[12:25] <pwnguin> tablet is absolute
[12:25] <HardDisk> vodka is absolute.
[12:25] <pwnguin> so rather than the wiimote metroid prime 3 style
[12:25] <pwnguin> you move a little and the whole screen rotates
[12:25] <HardDisk> I would love to own a wii
[12:25] <HardDisk> just recently got myself one of those nds lites, really fun devices
[12:26] <HardDisk> got ftp server on it, dslinux and a few homebrews
[12:26] <pwnguin> neat
[12:26] <pwnguin> my cart doesnt work with dslinux
[12:26] <pwnguin> =(
[12:26] <HardDisk> I got the m3 simply
[12:26] <pwnguin> ds-xtreme
[12:26] <HardDisk> ah
[12:26] <HardDisk> thats a nice cart
[12:26] <pwnguin> sort of
[12:26] <HardDisk> its got that new dxinfo right?
[12:26] <pwnguin> it was the first to market i liked
[12:27] <HardDisk> some new pc app made to send files over wifi
[12:27] <HardDisk> for dx's
[12:27] <pwnguin> interesting
[12:27] <HardDisk> sorry ubuntuers if we took the convo away from the usual talk :D
[12:27] <pwnguin> i just bought it because it worked well with ubuntu
[12:27] <pwnguin> sort of
[12:28] <pwnguin> and was slot 1
[12:28] <HardDisk> yea the m3 uses a microsd card and comes with a card reader
[12:28] <SWAT> I guess it's ok for a short while
[12:28] <strabes> Yesterday's update broke gnome terminal fonts and the appearance window. I fixed those. Now my touchpad's scrolling and tapping no longer works.
[12:28] <HardDisk> you see the AceKard R.P.G. ?
[12:29] <pwnguin> strabes: if you go to mouse
[12:29] <HardDisk> its a nice promising card, but I'd wait till it gets better support for it
[12:29] <pwnguin> HardDisk: acekard didnt sound like they were very cross platform intelligent
[12:29] <HardDisk> 1Gb on-board flash memory as well as a micro SDHC slot, and a mini-USB connector.
[12:29] <strabes> pwnguin: oh, wow. haha nice. thanks a lot
[12:29] <pwnguin> strabes: did it work?
[12:30] <strabes> pwnguin: yeah, it works. but does this mean that I can no longer customize it to exactly how I like it using xorg.conf?
[12:30] <pwnguin> strabes: how about sensetivity / accelleration?
[12:30] <strabes> pwnguin: yeah, there's no options for that :(
[12:30] <SWAT> pwnguin, a final word, file my issue as a bug or let it be? (with the default color)
[12:30] <pwnguin> file a bug
[12:33] <pwnguin> maybe logging out will fix trackerd
[12:33] <strabes> pwnguin: are you still talking to me?
[12:33] <HardDisk> im liking virtualbox more than vmware day by day
[12:34] <HardDisk> vbox is running OS's faster than vmware at least for me
[12:34] <pwnguin> strabes: no
[12:34] <strabes> pwnguin: oh ok.
[12:34] <HardDisk> recently upgraded vbox and it loaded windows xp much faster than vmware did.. I still need it for photoshop cs3
[12:35] <HardDisk> and dont really want to wine ps7
[12:36] <pwnguin> i hear gimp 2.6 will support higher bit depths
[12:37] <HardDisk> yea never was a gimp lover
[12:37] <HardDisk> dont like the seperate boxes on a desktop feel
[12:37] <pwnguin> its not like photoshop is different
[12:37] <HardDisk> I know
[12:37] <HardDisk> juts got so used to photoshop I dont want to learn a new app :)
[12:38] <pwnguin> i dont like it either, but when people say "gimp is unusable" i just have to laugh
[12:38] <pwnguin> because photoshop is junk
[12:38] <tekhawk> has anyone got bind9 to work on gutsy we are using the saem config setting from fiesty where it worked and we cant seem to get the zones working
[12:38] <HardDisk> well I dont say gimp is unusable its a good product I just dont like it personally.
[12:38] <pwnguin> ive yet to find a really good tool for creating art from scratch
[12:38] <HardDisk> agreed
[12:38] <HardDisk> get a mac ;D
[12:39] <pwnguin> how people decided PS was a good idea for that i dont know
[12:39] <HardDisk> I like how pixelmator looks so far
[12:39] <Xero> HardDisk, do you know anything about Wii Linux?
[12:40] <HardDisk> Xero I would if I owned a wii myself
[12:40] <HardDisk> they dont have em in egypt
[12:40] <pwnguin> pixelmator looks like a transparent gimp
[12:40] <Xero> :(
[12:40] <HardDisk> or as far as I know I havent seen any
[12:40] <HardDisk> pwnguin: exactly.
[12:40] <SWAT> pwnguin, arrrr, thanks for the input, arrrr (talklikeapirate.com)
[12:41] <pwnguin> SWAT: yarr
[12:41] <HardDisk> but Xero its not hard to use a wiimote on linux
[12:41] <HardDisk> there are apps for it
[12:41] <Xero> HardDisk, what equipment do I need to use the Wiimote on Linux?
[12:41] <pwnguin> gutsy actually has libwiimote packaged
[12:41] <Xero> Bluetooth reciever?
[12:42] <pwnguin> !info transfermii
[12:42] <ubotu> transfermii: transfer your mii from and to your wiimotes. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:0.5~rc2~cwiid-1 (gutsy), package size 10 kB, installed size 72 kB
[12:42] <Xero> WTF?
[12:42] <pwnguin> how cool is that
[12:42] <HardDisk> see
[12:42] <Xero> What do I need to use the WiiMote?
[12:43] <Xero> A bluetooth reciever, right?
[12:43] <pwnguin> yea
[12:43] <HardDisk> !google wiimote swik.net/wiimote+Ubuntu
[12:43] <HardDisk> I meant, swik.net/wiimote+Ubuntu
[12:43] <pwnguin> wiili has an okay list of compatible tools
[12:43] <HardDisk> bluetooths are so easy to find and get
[12:43] <HardDisk> and cheaper than a baskin robbins icecream
[12:44] <pwnguin> finding an appropriate linux compatible one is a bit harder
[12:44] <HardDisk> not really
[12:44] <pwnguin> http://www.wiili.org/index.php/Wiimote_driver
[12:44] <d4rkmonkey> :O
[12:44] <HardDisk> bluez works with any bluetooth reciever
[12:45] <Xero> So what do I buy?
[12:45] <HardDisk> read the site
[12:45] <ReL1K> anyone run into the new xorg video intel breaking compiz?
[12:46] <Xero> My computer doesn't have bluetooth built in.
[12:46] <HardDisk> so get one
[12:46] <HardDisk> any old bluetooth device
[12:46] <Xero> How much does it cost?
[12:46] <HardDisk> !google bluetooth reciever prices
[12:46] <tekhawk> anyone seen bind working on gutsy
[12:46] <HardDisk> hehe bot isnt working :)
[12:46] <pwnguin> ReL1K: break?
[12:47] <pwnguin> ReL1K: or disable?
[12:47] <HardDisk> just make sure its bluetooth 2.0 and not 1.1
[12:47] <HardDisk> 2.0 = 100 meters distance
[12:47] <HardDisk> 1.1 is like 10 meters
[12:47] <Xero> Crap.
[12:47] <HardDisk> I use my SE phone with HID to control my vlc player/totem via bluetooth
[12:47] <Xero> I'm too poor after just buying Wii to get a $200 reciever.
[12:47] <HardDisk> 200$?
[12:47] <pwnguin> 200 dollars?
[12:47] <ReL1K> lemme double check pwnguin pretty sure broke
[12:48] <HardDisk> they're like 5$
[12:48] <HardDisk> 10$ max
[12:48] <Xero> Oh. That one's GPS.
[12:48] <Xero> I don't pay attention to small details.
[12:48] <tekhawk> lol
[12:48] <pwnguin> ReL1K: i just read the changelog that said it disabled on certain intel chips
[12:48] <pwnguin> ReL1K: because its broken
[12:48] <ReL1K> pwnguin: its been working fine
[12:48] <ReL1K> since today
[12:49] <ShackJack> Hi all - my Gutsy desktop quasi-freezes when I click the quite button (either from main menu or panel)... System monitor ticks aways, but clicking on anything in non-repsonsive... Does anyone know what program the Quite calls so I can run in terminal to see what's going on?
[12:49] <ReL1K> restarting x brb
[12:49] <HardDisk> Xero:  http://www.usbgear.com/USB-Bluetooth.html
[12:50] <ReL1K> pwnguin, its enabled
[12:50] <HardDisk> no need from that site, but to give you an example
[12:50] <ReL1K> not workin
[12:50] <ReL1K> all affects etc.
[12:50] <HardDisk> find something cheap from walmart, assuming your in the US
[12:51] <fulio> Hi, can someone help me with my desktop effects when ever i try to enable it it says Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[12:51] <pwnguin> the real challenge will be getting a second sensor bar
[12:52] <ReL1K> anyone where i should start? not working since update :P
[12:52] <tekhawk> @fulio are you using kde or gnome
[12:53] <HardDisk> I wonder when will MS office be free?
[12:53] <fulio> tekhawk, gnome
[12:53] <tekhawk> ReL1K, sorry dont use intel
[12:53] <HardDisk> I mean openoffice is awesome, google just released their powerpoint lookalike online yesterday..
[12:53] <HardDisk> and.."I.B.M. plans to mount its most ambitious challenge in years to Microsofts dominance of personal computer software, by offering free programs for word processing, spreadsheets and presentations. The company is announcing the desktop software, called I.B.M. Lotus Symphony, at an event today. The programs will be available as free download"..
[12:53] <tekhawk> fulio, okay there goes one theory
[12:54] <ReL1K> tekhawk: nice solution
[12:54] <HardDisk> arm7?
[12:54] <tekhawk> ReL1K, ment that as i dont use intel but yeah using nvidia makle it easier
[12:54] <fulio> tekhawk, whathappen is, lastnight there was a  update i updated and it took away all my themes but ym desktop effects was still working, and then there was a nother update i did it and now it messed up my effects and themes
[12:55] <ReL1K> cant throw away my laptop :P
[12:55] <ShackJack> Does anyone know what program is called when clicking the "Quit" button - I'd like to run from terminal to troubleshoot...
[12:55] <ShackJack> ??
[12:55] <HardDisk> hmm gdm update...
[12:55] <HardDisk> should I restart gdm :D
[12:56] <ReL1K> i just did it, didn't notice anything major
[12:57] <Xero> It's not just gdm.
[12:57] <Xero> It seems to be most of GNOME.
[12:58] <ShackJack> Any ideas on why my desktop locks up when clicking QUIT button?
[12:58] <ReL1K> anyone else here using a t61?
[12:59] <ReL1K> blahhh
[01:03] <blizzow> How do I show the dependencies for a package I just downloaded through the tubes?
[01:03] <_sidd> ReL1K: I have a T61 (with Intel graphics).
[01:07] <ReL1K> _sidd, hows compiz working
[01:07] <ReL1K> and have you updated recently?
[01:07] <ReL1K> and any luck with dual monitors :)
[01:08] <_sidd> ReL1K: Compiz has never worked for me...
[01:08] <ReL1K> hrm its always worked for me
[01:08] <ReL1K> _sidd: any luck with dual monitors?
[01:08] <_sidd> ReL1K: Okay... I take that back... compiz works when I start it in gnome...
[01:09] <_sidd> ReL1K: But once I logout and login it doesn't work.
[01:09] <ReL1K> _sidd, even with the most recent xorg intel updates?
[01:09] <_sidd> ReL1K: I updated last night... and that broke a lot of other stuff... didn't even get around to checking out compiz.
[01:10] <ReL1K> ah, try updating now :P see if copiz breaks
[01:10] <ReL1K> compiz
[01:10] <_sidd> ReL1K: I don't have my laptop right now to check out the most recent fixes...
[01:10] <_sidd> ReL1K: But I'll do that as soon as I get home tonight.
[01:12] <ReL1K> thanks bud
[01:12] <ReL1K> much appreciated
[01:12] <ReL1K> you ever had dual monitors working?
[01:13] <_sidd> ReL1K: I've tried out dual monitors once... it worked using xrandr
[01:13] <_sidd> ReL1K: I tried it only as a clone though.
[01:14] <ReL1K> got it
[01:14] <_sidd> ReL1K: You can also try the grandr applet for the command-line xrandr tool.
[01:15] <ReL1K> nice, thanks dude
[01:15] <_sidd> np