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=== Topic for #ubuntu-meeting: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 18 Sep 16:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 20:00 UTC: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 12:00 UTC: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 12:00 UTC: MOTU Team | 24 Sep 19:00 UTC: Screencast Team
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krautmoin11:20
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zul@schedule montreal03:08
ubotuSchedule for America/Montreal: 18 Sep 12:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 08:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 08:00: MOTU Team | 24 Sep 15:00: Screencast Team03:08
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mattwj2005I have a meeting idea04:58
mattwj2005my apartment today...job....to clean it...I'll throw in free Ubuntu CDs04:58
mattwj2005:P04:58
pochuwi mattwj200504:58
mattwj2005:) just kidding04:59
maks_use robots04:59
mattwj2005hehe05:00
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mattwj2005I don't I just use beaming technology ;)05:00
mattwj2005*why don't I05:00
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ian_brasil @schedule manaus05:59
zulheylo05:59
ian_brasil@schedule manaus05:59
ubotuSchedule for America/Manaus: 18 Sep 12:00: Kernel Team | 19 Sep 08:00: Edubuntu | 19 Sep 16:00: Xubuntu Developers | 20 Sep 08:00: Desktop Team Development | 21 Sep 08:00: MOTU Team | 24 Sep 15:00: Screencast Team05:59
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BenCmissing pkl, but he's known to be busy06:02
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BenCOk, this is the start of the Kernel Team meeting06:02
BenCagenda hasn't been updated, but it's quite simple06:02
BenCbeta freeze looming, and we are handling as many bugs as possible to make beta release06:03
BenCThe most major issue right now is the unionfs breakage that pkl is working06:03
BenCpkl_: Can you give a quick one or two lines about your status so you can get back to things?06:03
pkl_I have identified two serious bugs in Unionfs that the liveCD is hitting06:04
BenCtwo...are they both causing the same symptom we've been seeing about refcount backtrace?06:05
ograpkl_, i see a lot issues in ltsp as well recently ... if you need any logs or so, just ask ..06:05
pkl_The first relates to the BUG_ON in fanout.h, called by unionfs_flush (file close).  This is a race condition, not with the actual dentry being closed, but with the parent dentry going bad, with no branches (which is wrong).06:06
pkl_I believe the problem is related to rsyncing of the parent unionfs directory with the lower filesystems (i.e. ro squashfs, and rw tmpfs).06:07
pkl_The good thing is whilst I've not discovered the underlying problem, it is easily worked around.06:07
BenCis that a kernel work around, or a userspace one?06:08
pkl_kernel unionfs workaround - the only reason why the parent branches are being examined is to resync the mtime.  A simple fix is to check there _are_ branches on the parent dentry, and to skip the mtime resync if there aren't.  This "fixes" the BUG_ON in my tests.06:09
pkl_It is a workaround that will work while the underlying race is identified.06:10
pkl_The second bug is the kernel oops in inode.c (unionfs_open).06:11
BenCok, that'll make everyone happy happy06:11
BenCpkl_: did that bug show up after your workaround, or was that known before?06:11
pkl_The second bug?  That showed up before the workaround.06:12
BenCok06:12
pkl_This is caused because occasionally the vfsmnt point for a lower dentry is NULL.06:12
pkl_A little bit of background.06:13
pkl_When a unionfs dentry is opened, unionfs in turn opens all the corresponding dentries on the lower filesystems (the branches).06:13
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pkl_Unionfs stores the correspondng underlying dentries and their vfsmount points.06:14
BenCpkl_: this all revolves around the vfs changes for apparmor?06:15
pkl_It is relatef.  apparmor changes the vfs interface so much more vfs functions expect the vfsmount.06:15
pkl_In this case, however, the vfs dentry_open() function has always expected a vfsmount, and so it is unrelated to the vfs changes.06:16
pkl_^unrelated^not caused06:16
BenCOk, guess I can't bad mouth kees now :)06:17
pkl_Again, the underlying reason appears to be a race condition.06:17
pkl_Still working on the cause.06:17
BenCpkl_: have you talked to unionfs upstream about this at all?06:18
pkl_As a temporary workaround, I have put a hack in the unionfs_open code to remember the correct vfsmount point for each branch. In the case of the liveCD there's two branches, and therefore two vfsmount points.06:18
pkl_if the vfsmount point lookup for a dentry fails, the hack replaces it with the correct vfsmount point previously remembered.06:19
pkl_This fixes the oops, and it is definately the cause.06:19
BenCpkl_: Ok, two workarounds sounds like decent progress, so excellent work. When can we get these in lum for an upload?06:20
pkl_Now I have establised the causes I can email the unionfs guys.06:20
pkl_I was planning on putting the hacks into lum in a couple of hours (I have to strip them out of my heavily hacked unionfs code).06:21
BenCpkl_: ok, ping me when you're ready and I'll get an upload out06:22
pkl_OK06:22
BenCthanks06:22
BenCSo I sent an email to the kernel-team list explaining what our current focus should be06:24
BenCAt this point in release cycle is where we are usually the busiest06:25
BenCI don't forsee any problems like we've had in the past, simply because the upstream kernel stabalized very well and we stuck to stock code so strictly06:26
BenCbut we do have some minor usage bugs and some regressions that we should handle in the next few weeks06:27
BenCand we need to keep a close eye on the incoming bugs (and bugs marked NEW) to make sure we aren't over looking anything major06:27
BenCamitk, rtg_, kylem: Anything major you guys are working on that needs to get in with beta?06:29
kylemamt.06:29
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rtg_misc sky2 fixes, perhaps some audio quirks. Dunno for sure yet.06:29
zulbug #77725 should probably get in06:31
ubotuLaunchpad bug 77725 in linux-source-2.6.17 "No Driver for Attansic Gigabit Ethernet" [Wishlist,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/7772506:31
kylem..06:31
amitkjust the usb-autosuspend-prevention patch from mjg5906:31
kylematl1 is in gutsy.06:31
kylemoh.06:32
kylemthey should file a second bug.06:32
kylemmuppets.06:32
amitkhmm... I just noticed you cherry-picked it...06:32
BenCamitk: merged that already06:33
BenCkylem: yeah, that's what I started to think till I got down to the atl2 part06:33
BenCok, atl2 should be put into lum06:34
BenCanyone up for doing that?06:34
zuli can since i brought it up06:34
BenCzul: you sure can...good man :)06:34
BenCzul: shoot a pull request to #ubuntu-kernel when you can, thanks06:35
zulno probs06:35
BenCthe other major issue is the header post{inst,rm} scripts that I am working on06:35
BenCneeded for DKMS and feisty compatibility06:35
rtg_BenC: why is it more complicated then just fixing the perl expressions?06:37
BenCrtg_: because the scripts from kernel-package need to be munged a bit06:37
BenCdebconf stuff removed/disabled, variable replacements taken into account06:37
BenCrtg_: fixing the perl replacements in kernel-package doesn't fix our kernel builds, and the scripts are not 1-to-1 compatible with our build system06:38
rtg_Well, I haven't delved into it in that level of detail.06:39
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BenCOk, any other business?06:40
dholbachis somebody on bug 98641?06:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "[nvidia-glx-new]  Driver is missing libwfb breaking X on 8000 series cards" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/9864106:41
dholbachit's on the sponsoring bug queue06:41
BenCdholbach: already fixed06:42
dholbachrock on - thanks a lot - can it be closed then?06:42
BenCyeah, definitely06:42
dholbachok great06:42
dholbachgracias06:42
dholbachthanks for dealing with the sponsoring bugs06:43
BenCand with that, let's cut this meeting out so we can all get back to work :)06:43
BenCdholbach: np, thanks for keeping up on them06:43
BenCthanks everyone06:44
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siretartdo meetings using the MootBot need to be registered somewhere?09:51
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