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=== Topic (#ubuntu-mozillateam): set by asac at Tue Aug 21 12:22:59 2007
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gnomefreaki hate PPA atm i uploaded ffox-trunk and it was accepted (got email and its on site) hasnt been sent to build (its been 2hours) and its set to Pending/Removal already i asked in LP but i doubt i will get answer on it05:59
gnomefreakubotu: you are most likely sleeping but with kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or is this something that is broken and cant be done atm?06:17
ubotuI'll remember that, gnomefreak06:17
gnomefreakno06:17
gnomefreak!forget you are most likely06:17
ubotuI know nothing about you are most likely yet, gnomefreak06:17
gnomefreakubotu06:17
gnomefreak!ubotu06:18
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots06:18
gnomefreak!forget you are most likely sleeping but with kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or06:20
ubotuI'll forget that, gnomefreak06:20
gnomefreakUbulette: you are most likely sleeping but with  kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans  on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or is this  something that is broken and cant be done atm?06:20
gnomefreakjust wondering is all  but im off to bed its already 12:30 ish06:21
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asachey10:00
Ubulettehi10:10
asacole10:11
UbuletteKazehakse seems to now target webcore10:16
asacwebcore?10:17
Ubulettethe webkit core10:18
asacits pluggable, right?10:18
asace.g. you can switch engines through configuration?10:18
asaci remember that they plan to do that for gecko/konqueror10:19
Ubuletteyep, but I mean, dev is focusing on webcore, according to changlogs10:21
Ubuletteso xul made no progress toward 1.910:21
Ubulettehttp://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/09/opera-adds-animated-png-support/10:29
Ubulettetime for ubuntu png guys to move on...10:30
asachmm10:30
asacwe are in feature freeze :/10:31
asaci think we have to wait till gutsy+1 for libpng10:31
asacat least if we don't want to ship a new libapng in universe10:31
asacuniverse should still be open for us ;)10:31
Ubulettefortunately, i'll be free of gutsy in a month10:32
Ubuletteok, i'm out. See you10:36
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asacUbulette: cu10:43
janimoare the new nspr and nss packages in PPA needed for xulrunner-1.9 or are the ones in gutsy compatible and sufficient?10:44
janimoasac: are there plans for getting xulrunner-1.9 in gutsy?10:45
asacgnomefreak: you don't have to update the changelog for upload if i already targetted it as "RELEASE"10:47
asacjanimo: no you need the ones from PPA10:48
asacjanimo: they should be in10:48
asacjanimo: try to install firefox-trunk10:48
asacit should bring you all10:48
janimoasac: ok, I actuially need xulrunner-1.9 to build somehting else in my PPA10:49
janimoasac: and was wondering which sources do I need to copy there since PPAs cannot do build depends from other PPAs10:49
janimoyet10:49
asacdoes it already work?10:53
asaci mean locally?10:53
asacotherwise wait till it gets into gutsy10:53
asacshould be really soon10:53
asacjanimo: ^^^10:54
janimoasac: it does work locally10:54
janimoasac: that's why I asked if it goes to gutsy10:54
janimois it a matter of days?10:54
asacyes11:02
asacwe actually wait for a811:02
asacif it isn't out in two days i will upload a preview11:02
janimook11:04
janimoasac: btw I hope you'll find the time to take a look at the patches filed on network-manager-applet to make it Xfce friendly :)11:05
janimoasac: you could also upload a preview even if a8 is not out so the NEW source processing is not delayed. Unless you can get someone on the archive team to let it through  as soon as you upload, it may help uploading earlier11:09
asacjanimo: yes its scheduled for today11:13
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gnomefreakasac: you do when you sign it01:10
gnomefreakotherwise i cant sign it afaik01:11
gnomefreakdoesnt matter much there is something wrong with trunk anyway01:11
asacgnomefreak: what was the question?01:12
gnomefreakasac: about changing the changelog01:12
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asacgnomefreak: he?01:13
asacgnomefreak: no ... the idea is you grab from bzr01:13
asacthen you sponsor01:13
asacjust use -kgnomefreak@ubuntu.com to sign with your key01:13
gnomefreaki thought the changelog had to be set to me to sign it01:14
asacyou don't need to own the changelog in order to sponsor01:14
asacno01:14
asacsponsoring works as well (like above)01:14
asacdpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -si -kasac@debian.org01:14
asaci use if i sponsor a package from someone else01:14
gnomefreakson of a bitch01:14
asacfor now its ok ... just remember to do it that way next time01:14
gnomefreakasac: you guys need to change version numbers for firefox-trunk01:14
asaci doubt that01:15
asacwhy?01:15
gnomefreakno i dont01:15
gnomefreakirefox-trunk - 3.0a8pre~cvs20070829-0ubuntu1~mt101:15
gnomefreaknotice 3.0a801:15
gnomefreakfirefox-trunk - 3.0~a8~cvs20070914t1713-0ubuntu1~mt101:15
gnomefreak3.0~01:15
gnomefreakthats why its not being sent to build01:15
gnomefreakit seems 3.0~a8 is < 3.0a801:16
gnomefreaknothing can be done other than changing the version numbers as it is now it wont build since we cant remove packages yet01:17
asacwell ... we have to remove them01:19
asacor use an epoch01:20
gnomefreakwe cant remove anything atm01:20
gnomefreakits not a feature yet01:20
asacso when was that package uploaded?01:23
asacand why did it end up in there at all?01:23
asacwith that bogus version01:23
asacanyway i will ask01:23
gnomefreakasac: you said it was ready i built and uploaded last night01:25
asacwhich?01:25
asac3.0~a801:25
asacnot 3.0a8pre01:25
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gnomefreakyes 3.0~ lastnight01:26
gnomefreakasac: 3.0a8 was our first upload01:26
gnomefreakbefore the version changed01:26
gnomefreakasking if LP admin can remove01:27
gnomefreaksince we cant01:27
asacgnomefreak: don't bother i asked already01:28
asaclets wait01:28
gnomefreakme too :)01:28
asac< asac> anyway i will ask01:28
asacwhy do you do that?01:28
gnomefreakwhere did you ask? is there a PPA channel?01:28
asacit just is bugging from multiple sites01:28
asacs/sites/sides/01:29
asacno PM01:29
gnomefreakoh well i asked before you said you did and i didnt see it in #luanchpad01:29
asacwhen?01:29
gnomefreaki asked at 7:26 its not 7:3001:30
asac3:21 < asac> anyway i will ask01:30
gnomefreaks/not/now01:30
asac13:21 < asac> anyway i will ask01:30
asac13:28 < gnomefreak> s/not/now01:30
asacso you asked after01:30
asacanyway ... nm01:30
gnomefreak07:27 <      gnomefreak > asking if LP admin can remove01:30
gnomefreakthat is after i asked01:30
asacyes thats after01:30
asaci asked01:30
asacno01:31
asac13:21 < asac> anyway i will ask01:31
asac13:23 < gnomefreak> asac: you said it was ready i built and uploaded last night01:31
asac13:23 < asac> which?01:31
asac13:23 < asac> 3.0~a801:31
asac13:23 < asac> not 3.0a8pre01:31
asac13:23  * gnomefreak is wondering why gnomebaker and nautilus freeze when burning and k3b does01:31
asac13:23 < gnomefreak> yes 3.0~ lastnight01:31
asac13:24 < gnomefreak> asac: 3.0a8 was our first upload01:31
asac13:24 < gnomefreak> before the version changed01:31
asac13:24 < gnomefreak> asking if LP admin can remove01:31
gnomefreak13:24 is just after i asked01:31
asac13:24 < gnomefreak> since we cant01:31
asac13:26 < asac> gnomefreak: don't bother i asked already01:31
asacno01:31
asachey read above01:31
asac13:21 i said "< asac> anyway i will ask"01:32
asacthen 13:24 < gnomefreak> asking if LP admin can remove01:32
gnomefreakoh i missed that01:32
asacno problem01:32
asacjust to get it right ;)01:32
gnomefreakwell let me know if you get answer01:32
gnomefreakit really does seems weird that a kde app doesnt freeze but gnome apps do :(01:33
gnomefreak:(01:39
gnomefreaki got upload a newer version01:39
asacyou got upload a newer version?01:48
gnomefreakasac: that is the answer i got is to upload newer version i also got change the version01:49
gnomefreakwhy did we change the version?01:49
asacgnomefreak: lets lot upload it at all01:57
asaclets not01:57
asacwe will rename the package01:57
gnomefreakasac: it was already uploaded i cant change that01:57
asacwhich?01:58
asac3.0~a8 should not be uploded until we have renamed the package01:58
asacif you want to upload anyway, add an epoch to that version01:59
gnomefreakasac: when you and Ubulette said it was good i uploaded it didnt think of the versioning at that time since it was oked by 2 people01:59
gnomefreakasac: i uploaded last night i said 30 minutes or so ago01:59
asacbut that was rejected right?01:59
gnomefreakthats how its Pending/Removal01:59
gnomefreakno01:59
asacthen whats teh problem?02:00
gnomefreaknot rejected until after it was uploaded, as long as versions are not the same it will upload02:00
gnomefreakasac: its Pending/Removal because its a lower version it was superseeded when it was uploaded02:00
asacyeah ... so the upload didn't work02:00
asacthen leave it alone ;)02:00
asacor add an epoch to version02:01
gnomefreakasac: it is uploaded just cant build02:01
asacyeah ... thats de-facto not-uploaded02:01
gnomefreakhttps://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/02:01
gnomefreakasac: its uploaded just not building but either way same steps would need to be taken make new tarball build package upload everything02:02
asacsee how it directly goes into the sink ... so the upload was a non-upload ;)02:02
asacgnomefreak: i said that we don't need that because we will rename02:02
asacif you still want that add an epoch to version and reupload02:02
gnomefreakno you can change version but either way the ~ needs to be moved/removed so maybe just changing name of tarball build and upload will work but either way the tarball is gonna have to change names02:03
asacyou don't need to rename tarball for that02:03
asacno02:03
gnomefreakright now the tarball is 3.0~a02:04
asacthats not a problem02:04
gnomefreakthat is lower than 3.0a02:04
asacadd an epoch02:04
asaci won't repeat that ;)02:04
asace.g. prefix changelog version with 1:02:04
gnomefreakbut if the changelog is looking to orig to build doesnt it have to match?02:05
gnomefreak1:3.0~ would still have to make tarball 1:3.0~ or it wont find the right tarball for changelog no?02:06
gnomefreakand if that is what you mean to do i dont see that as being sane, i would perfer the verson scheme change so its not something we have to add everytime02:09
bluekujahey all02:10
gnomefreakwell im going to reformat now and see if it doesnt get fixed02:10
asachey bluekuja02:17
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bluekujaheya alex02:18
bluekuja:)02:18
asacanyone has /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop as well?03:17
asacbluekuja: ^^ ?03:17
asacdo you have that file?03:18
bluekujaasac: checking03:19
bluekujaandrea@nightsong:/etc/xdg/autostart$ ls03:19
bluekujaevolution-alarm-notify.desktop  nm-applet.desktop03:19
bluekujagnome-power-manager.desktop     restricted-manager.desktop03:19
bluekujagnome-volume-manager.desktop    update-notifier.desktop03:19
bluekujaasac: I have it03:20
bluekuja:)03:20
bluekujaasac: bitstormlite got no makefile.am03:20
bluekujait's not there also in the orig03:20
bluekujalet me see if there was on on previous releases03:20
bluekujaasac: bope03:21
bluekuja*nope03:21
bluekujaasac: no makefile.am03:21
asacbluekuja: i did it once03:25
asacbluekuja: you should have it somewhere03:25
asacunless of course there was exactly the same issue with a different package03:25
bluekujaasac: same issue03:26
bluekujawith another package03:26
bluekujawe worked on03:26
bluekuja:)03:26
asaci doubt it03:26
asacwhich package?03:26
bluekujaI'm sure03:26
asacprove03:26
bluekujalet me see03:26
bluekujalet me see03:26
asacshow me the package ... then its fine ;)03:26
asacfor now its too much of a coincident03:26
asacactually i am sure that you bugged upstream for whatever makefile we did03:27
asacmaybe you can find mail about that or something03:27
asacto give us a clue03:27
bluekujaasac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bluekuja/verlihub/debian.source03:27
bluekuja14. By Andrea Veri <andrea@seagate> on 2007-06-0803:27
bluekujaadded Makefile.am into ./share, it was dropped erroneously by upstream03:27
bluekujathat's it03:27
asacgreat ;)03:28
bluekujasame issue03:28
bluekujalol03:28
asacthe doubt disappears ;)03:28
asacupstreams are on crack apparently03:28
bluekuja:)03:28
bluekujayup03:28
asacwell .. we definitly need to write the Makefile.am then i guess03:28
bluekujaasac: oh great! writing makefiles is my passion :D03:29
bluekujaI'm jk of course03:29
bluekujaasac: I have upstream on msn03:30
bluekujaI can ask him why03:30
bluekujaasac: no?03:31
asacwell ... try to learn Makefile.am03:32
asac;)03:32
bluekujalol03:32
bluekujaok03:32
asacit often improves with a bit of a distance03:32
asacso try for an hour or so ;)03:32
asacthen go other ways and at least next time you will get it ;)03:33
bluekujaasac: using autotools03:43
bluekujawill make the diff bigger?03:43
asacprobably03:56
asacif there is a patch system you can carry the autotools update in a separate patch as well03:56
asacotherwise try to get the fix upstream asap :)03:56
bluekujatalking with him atm03:57
bluekujato see what's going on03:57
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Ubuletteyop07:55
Ubulette  - xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym_1.9~a8~cvs20070918t0514+bbot-1_i386.ddeb: ok (49970924 bytes)07:57
Ubuletteasac, it's huge :)07:57
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root 124623319 2007-09-18 14:59 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so07:57
Ubulette   - xulrunner-1.9-dev-dbgsym_1.9~a8~cvs20070918t0514+bbot-1_i386.ddeb: ok (48759256 bytes)07:58
Ubulettehmm07:58
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root 124623319 2007-09-18 15:00 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so07:58
Ubulettewe should not ship that twice...07:58
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gnomefreakfuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!09:09
=== gnomefreak is pissed now
gnomefreakhmmm wonders if downgrading dpkg would work09:10
Ubulettegnomefreak, what's happening ?09:10
gnomefreakcritical bug in dpkg i get during upgrade09:10
Ubulettegutsy ?09:10
gnomefreakso now im unstable all over the placve09:10
gnomefreakplace09:11
gnomefreakyes09:11
=== gnomefreak is missing half the packages due to this bug
Ubuletteusually, it's fixable09:11
Ubulettewhat bug is this ?09:11
UbuletteI hope you didnt accept blindly a huge removal09:12
gnomefreakit looks like ubuntu 14 fixes it09:12
gnomefreakbut i dont have ubuntu14 yet09:12
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147578 2007-08-24 19:03 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu10_i386.deb09:13
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147646 2007-08-29 17:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11_i386.deb09:13
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147780 2007-09-06 19:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb09:13
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2174464 2007-09-18 19:31 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu14_i386.deb09:13
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2146934 2007-08-21 22:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu9_i386.deb09:13
UbuletteI still have those09:13
gnomefreaki have the right one now09:13
gnomefreakhad to wget it09:13
gnomefreaksince dpkg is all kinds of broken it seems09:14
gnomefreaklooks to be working09:14
gnomefreakyay now i can have a stable/unstable system instead of unstable as hell09:16
Ubulettelol09:16
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mertikihello asac, are-you here?09:34
bluekujahi mertiki09:34
mertikihi bluekuja :)09:34
bluekujaquestions about sunbird locales?09:34
mertikiabout lightning-extension-locales09:34
bluekujaoh nvm then09:34
bluekuja:)09:34
mertikinvm?09:34
bluekujanevermind09:35
mertikihh ok :)09:35
bluekujayou need asac then09:35
bluekuja:)09:35
mertikiis-there something to fix in sunbird-locale or it's all ok?09:35
bluekujaeverything ok, already uploaded09:35
bluekujacheck REVU09:35
bluekuja:)09:35
mertikiGreat! I'm proud, it's my very first package =)09:36
bluekujamertiki, I uploaded it some days ago09:36
bluekuja:)09:36
mertikishould-it already be in the universe repositories?09:37
bluekujamertiki, it depends from archive admins09:37
bluekujait's a new package09:37
bluekujaso it need approval from them09:37
bluekujacheck queue to see current state09:37
mertikiah ok, hey thanks for your work on this too!09:37
bluekujamertiki, np :)09:37
mertikiasac gave me some help around lightning-extension-locales and I created a package for this too, so now all mozilla calendar applications will have a lot on languages09:38
bluekujamertiki, well, if you get another exception and asac tells me that your package is ok09:39
bluekujaI gonna upload it too09:39
mertikiIt's in works, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/14059809:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140598 in lightning-sunbird "lightning-extension doesn't have language packs" [Undecided,Incomplete] 09:40
bluekujamertiki, good09:40
bluekujamertiki, if he wants me to check that09:41
bluekujaI gonna take care of it09:41
bluekujait depends from him, you know09:41
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mertikiof course :)09:41
mertikiand I'm happy to work with comments of others09:42
bluekujamertiki, :)09:42
mertikiis this asac? :P09:42
bluekujamertiki, yes he is09:42
bluekujamaybe he's lagging a bit09:42
mertikiha, ok it doesn't mean that he's here09:42
bluekujamertiki, he gonna be here soon I guess09:43
bluekujahe's alwais around09:43
mertikiah great!09:43
bluekujamertiki, first time here?09:43
mertikiso I'll prefer waiting then send him a email09:44
bluekujamertiki, yes, definitely09:44
mertikibluekuja : what do mean?09:44
bluekujamertiki, with what?09:44
mertikibluekuja : when you say first time here, do you mean on that channel?09:45
bluekujayup09:45
mertikibluekuja : No, but it's just the second time :)09:45
bluekujaoh cool09:45
bluekuja:)09:45
mertikibluekuja : I just know Linux Ubuntu since 2 years and I started working to improve Ubuntu since only 6 months, I still have a lot to learn, but I love that09:46
bluekujamertiki, your lp page?09:46
mertikibluekuja : I found that building language pack was a very interesting way to learn basic packaging09:46
bluekujahttps://edge.launchpad.net/~saivann/09:46
bluekujamertiki, https://edge.launchpad.net/~saivann/+packages09:46
mertikihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/~saivann09:47
mertikiyeah it's it09:47
bluekuja:)09:47
mertikiand I' frency so sorry if sometimes I can do weird sentences, you know :P09:48
mertikifrench*09:48
bluekujadont worry09:48
bluekujanot a problem for me09:48
mertikihehe, I learn both packaging and english :P love to learn09:49
bluekuja:D09:49
bluekujahow old are you?09:49
mertikionly 19, and you?09:50
bluekuja18 :)09:50
mertikireally??09:50
bluekujayup09:50
mertikiwow, that's great :P09:50
bluekuja:)09:50
bluekujaI'm younger than you then09:51
mertikiI always think that I'm the younger, but seems that I'm far from being the one09:51
mertikithe only one*09:51
mertikiyep :P09:51
bluekujahehe, I know someone who is even 1409:51
bluekuja:P09:52
mertikihaha, that's cool!09:52
bluekujathat does some translations on ubuntu09:52
bluekujaand stuff like that09:52
mertikiI know that if I would have know Ubuntu when I was 14, I would worked on this all my days and all my nights09:52
bluekujalol09:53
bluekujamertiki, live your life too09:53
mertikiloll, and that's what I do now anyway :P09:53
bluekujamertiki, I usually work something like 2 hours per day09:53
bluekujamertiki, that's enough I guess09:53
mertikibluekuja : at your job or in Ubuntu ?09:54
bluekujamaybe sometimes you can go to 3-4 hours09:54
bluekujamertiki, ubuntu09:54
bluekuja:909:54
bluekuja:)09:54
bluekujamertiki, I think two hours a day is a great contribution09:54
mertikibluekuja : but that's very great! In my case, I'll work very hard on something like my packages now, and stop working for I while when I'll get some other projects09:54
bluekujaso if you stay 24/7 is crazy! :)09:55
mertikihaha, yes you're right :D09:55
bluekuja:)09:55
mertikibluekuja : I'm passinate by computers and what they can give to human anyway, my job is to help people with their computers, I give quality technical services in Qubec for people, so Ubuntu is for me great promises.09:56
bluekujamertiki, you work already?09:57
bluekujamertiki, not uni?09:57
mertikibluekuja : www.leservicetechnique.com is my website, and I have very satisfied customers09:57
bluekujaoh cool!09:58
bluekujathat's nice09:58
mertikibluekuja : Mmmh, no, maybe one day but from now on, I love what I do and learn every day so much09:58
mertikibluekuja : Yeah! That's a pretty hard job but I love that :)09:58
bluekujamertiki, i understand why you decided to start packaging09:59
bluekuja:)09:59
mertikihahaYeah! That's a pretty hard job but I love that :)09:59
mertikioh sorry09:59
bluekujanp09:59
mertikibluekuja : Do you study at University?09:59
bluekujamertiki, not yet09:59
bluekujastill school09:59
bluekuja:)09:59
bluekujaunfortunately09:59
bluekujayes09:59
mertikiyeah.. what a strange question :P where not so old :P10:00
bluekuja:910:00
bluekuja:)10:00
bluekujadamn 910:00
bluekuja^^10:00
mertikihehe, yes, at least it's not like high school, I just have bad memory from high school...10:00
mertikihehe10:00
bluekuja:P10:00
bluekujaasac: ping when you gonna be around again10:01
mertikitxs10:01
bluekujaI really hope he'll get on soon10:01
bluekujausually he does some sports on the evening10:01
mertikiI'm here all the day anyway10:01
bluekujaor shopping et all10:01
bluekujaso he's afk10:02
bluekujamertiki, timezone?10:02
mertiki-040010:02
mertikiit's 16:02 o'clock here10:02
mertiki( 4:02 pm )10:03
bluekujaoh :)10:03
bluekuja22:00 here10:03
bluekujasame for asac10:03
mertikiay, I'm late :D10:03
bluekuja:)10:03
mertiki6 hours difference, that's big!10:04
bluekujayup, it is10:04
mertikiI love Internet :)10:05
bluekujasame here10:05
mertikiI'll work on some projects here so it's possible that I don't answer quickly10:06
bluekujamertiki, ok10:06
bluekujajust get on when alex get back10:06
mertikiyou mean asac?10:08
bluekujamertiki, asac's name is alexander so asac10:09
bluekuja*so alex10:09
mertikibluekuja : oh you're right10:10
bluekuja:)10:10
mertikibluekuja : I always call him asac :)10:10
bluekuja^^10:10
mertiki VirtualBox is such a awesome program.. I don't know if you both run Windows and Linux, but when using Windows inside VirtualBox, I can almost not see any slowness10:14
bluekujanever tried10:16
bluekujayet10:17
mertikiIt's very usefel in my case because I always need a Windows system to guide my customers, or remotely help them. It's simple, I know never use Windows outside of VirtualBox and I'm always impressed10:17
bluekuja:D10:18
bluekujamertiki, why near your mail10:18
bluekujaI see (evolution)10:18
mertikiHa!! it's because I followed the instructions on how to create a key for Lp, and on the instructions, it's necessary to provide Name, phrase and email... So I just choosed evolution as the phrase, but now I realised that... nobody have this except me!10:20
bluekujalol10:20
bluekuja:D10:20
mertikiand I tried to generate a gpg key without that, without success, so I just keeped it :P10:21
mertikiI'm sure I did something wrong lol10:21
bluekujayeah10:21
bluekujafor sure10:21
bluekuja^^10:21
bluekujamertiki, I go to sleep now10:21
mertikido you think it can cause problems?10:21
bluekujamertiki, no10:22
mertikiah ok :)10:22
bluekujabut it's not really usefull10:22
bluekuja^^10:22
mertikihehe no10:22
bluekujaI go now10:22
mertikihappy to have meet you!10:22
bluekujaneed some rest10:22
bluekujasame here, man!10:22
mertiki:)10:22
mertiki@+10:22
bluekujamertiki, meet you tomorrow here10:22
bluekujaI'm alwais around10:22
bluekujaand let me know asac's decision10:22
bluekujaon them10:22
mertikibluekuja : Maybe I'll not be there, but for sure I'll be in the future days10:23
mertikiok!10:23
bluekujamertiki, maybe write a mail10:23
bluekujato me10:23
bluekujaso I know what to do10:23
mertikithat's ok, I will :)10:23
bluekujak10:23
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asacmertiki: still there?10:39
gnomefreak!dpi10:39
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi10:39
mertikiasac : hi!10:39
asachi10:39
asacwhats up?10:39
gnomefreakhmmm10:39
mertikiasac : I made the modifications you needed to on lightning-extension-locales and wanted to know what you think about that10:40
asacyes ... did you read my comment in bug?10:40
mertikiyes, and re-uploaded the new package to REVU10:41
mertikihttps://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/14059810:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 140598 in lightning-sunbird "lightning-extension doesn't have language packs" [Undecided,Incomplete] 10:41
asac. It was in the iceowl-extension-locales package because it was designed for icedove 1.5, it's not needed anymore in Gutsy so I just removed the transitionnal package section from the script.10:42
asac 210:42
asacisn't that a bug in iceowl-extension ... he probably didn't migrate that properly10:42
mertikiMmmh, I couldn't tell you, so far, this section was no useful in my case, removing the section didn't change anything10:43
gnomefreakasac: remind me tomorrow to look at iceape recommends please10:44
asacmertiki: addAllNewXPI.sh must be run outside of the debian folder10:44
asaci tried that like debian/scripts/addAllNewXPI.sh10:45
asacthat didn't work10:45
gnomefreakits still recommending iceape-calendar10:45
asac(not in this revision, but in the one before)10:45
mertikiasac : I sended a email to the person which created the iceowl-extension-locales package about the problems I found and didn't received a reply yey10:45
gnomefreakand i have to fix these damn fonts10:45
mertikiyet*10:45
mertikiasac : yes, it's written in the ReadMe file that I made in the new package10:46
asacmertiki: ok its at the end10:46
asaccan we fix that?10:46
asacso i can runit like above?10:46
mertikiasac : Of course it's possible, but maybe need one day of work10:47
gnomefreakok i have 2 hours to do other things ill bbl10:47
asacthat would be great to have ... i hate to copy things aroud in package ... you will definitly forget to remove it and in the end it will clutter the diff.gz10:47
mertikiasac : I will need to change a lot of things in the script to make sure every folder are Ok but that's possible10:48
asacmertiki: how about adding all the logic in the makefile?10:48
asace.g. debian/rules ?10:48
mertikiasac : you mean, creating a makefile that will automatically update the language packs and everything?10:48
asacif you are not that comfortable with makefiles, we can keep it as a shell script10:49
asacmertiki: well basically its moving the code from the .sh scripts to the debian/rules file10:49
asacand add a target: update-xpis10:49
asacor something10:49
asacoh well10:49
asacits update-debian-files:10:49
asacthat would recreate the control file10:49
mertikiasac : As I said on the bugs, because the lightning-extension version can change, the rules file would need to be modified at each new version, would that be OK?10:49
asacmertiki: its not a problem ... you can even use dpkg-parsechangelog to automatically get the upstream version from the last changelog entry10:50
asacif that is suitable10:50
asactry dpkg-parsechangelog  | grep Version10:51
asacwhen in the package10:51
mertikiasac : it's actually the first time I work with rules file seriously, so I can't say that I'm comfortable with this and most probably that if I start to do this job, I'll need somebody to help me10:51
asacok10:51
asacmertiki: lets use the script approach for gutsy ... and then improve it for gutsy+1?10:51
asacwould that be ok?10:51
mertikiasac : What a wonderful idea10:52
asacin fact, as long as you don't go away, i am fine with a hard to maintain package ;)10:52
mertikiasac : haha, and I won't go away10:52
asacbut in the end the package should be easily updatable ... so in case you get hit by truck or are in holiday everbody can fix that10:52
mertikiI think it's actually simple and well documented in the ReadMe file, I would find it very easy if I didn't know the package yet10:53
mertikidid you read the ReadMe file?10:53
asacsure ;910:53
mertikiasac : Is that ok?10:53
asacwell ... i can say its not perfect ... and its not as easy to understand as you think it is ;)10:54
asacdevelopers are lazy people that hate to look at docs10:54
mertikiasac : A goutsh..10:54
mertikiasac : haha :P ok10:54
asacbut its not a problem :)10:54
mertikiasac : Ok, If I modify the script to be able to launch it inside the script folder, is there something else you think that I should fix?10:55
mertiki( I will work for a all-automatic rules file for Gutsy +1 but keep the script for Gutsy )10:57
mertikiI'll know more about rules files in 6 months, for sure10:58
asacsure10:58
asaci am here to help10:59
asacafter all you are the maintainer now ;) ... so you can decide what goes in and what not10:59
mertikiasac : Woaw :P10:59
mertikiasac : My goal is to bring a functionnal package for Ubuntu :)10:59
asacwell ... i might try to prevent dessters10:59
mertikihaha11:00
asacmertiki: yes, thats the first and most obvious goal for everything: get something that works11:00
mertikiasac : And I'll do everything I can to make a good package well though, that's why I don't want to create the automatic rules file now because I know that I don't have the skills to do it11:01
mertikiBut I will11:01
mertikiI have another question for you, concerning my enigmail-locales package. Do you have time?11:02
asaca bit11:02
mertikiMh, would you prefer a mail?11:02
asaci have time, but might be distracted here and there ;)11:02
asacno11:02
mertikiok11:02
asacgo ahead11:02
mertikiasac : there's to language pack that have the same ThunderbirdKeyID in the package, so if they are both installed, one of the two will overwrite the first. I just added a conflict rule to the debian/control file11:04
mertikiasac : Is that a good idea?11:04
mertikithere's two*11:04
asacThunderbirdKeyID ?11:05
asacwhich one do they use?`11:05
Ubuletteasac, i've fixed mozclient11:05
mertiki{847b3a00-7b55-11d4-8f02-006008948af5}11:05
asacUbulette: thanks11:06
mertikiit's ca language and zh-cn11:06
asacmertiki: i think we should package the em:id11:06
asacs/package/patch/11:06
asacuse langcode@langpacks.enigmail.ubuntu.com11:06
asace.g. de-DE@langpacks.enigmail.ubuntu.com11:06
mertikiasac : Do you think I should apply that on the whole package?11:07
asacyes11:07
asaci hate uuid em:ids11:07
asacits better to use something like above11:07
mertikiasac : yeah me too.. now11:07
asacmertiki: look at enigmail itself11:08
asacoh11:08
asac:=11:08
asacbad example11:08
mertikihehe11:08
asacfirefox-dom-inspector11:08
asac/usr/lib/firefox/extensions/inspector@mozilla.org/chrome11:08
asaccat /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/inspector@mozilla.org/install.rdf  | grep em:id <em:id>inspector@mozilla.org</em:id>11:09
mertikiyeah that can't lead to problems11:09
Ubulettehttp://www.flickr.com/photos/nobihaya/1386720470/in/set-7215760201515086011:09
asacmertiki: ok look at the mozilla-firefox-locale-all package11:10
Ubulette:)11:10
asacit does that alreawdy11:10
mertikiasac : I'll change this, did you found something else to fix in the enigmail-locale package?11:10
asacmertiki: e.g. /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/langpack-de@firefox.mozilla.org/install.rdf11:10
asacmertiki: and i think the patching is already done in debian/rules11:10
mertikiasac : and my actual lightning-extension-locales package too, I followed what already exist and I prefer this like that11:10
asacmertiki: i haven't looked at the enigmail locale package yet ... shame on me11:11
asacmertiki: well as i said, look at the mozilla-firefox-locale-all package11:11
asaci updated it today ... and though its  improvable it contains lot of things that worth a look11:11
mertikiasac : haha, it's not as important as lightning-extension but I think it would be great to finish this before Gutsy get stable11:11
asacmertiki: well its more important after all :)11:12
asacmertiki: enigmail is in main and should have latest locales11:12
mertikiit's not in universe???11:12
asac(oh it should be latest after all ... i have to update that i think)11:12
asacmertiki: no its in main11:12
asacbecause enigmail is in main ... together with thunderbird11:12
mertikiasac : Mmh, and it's possible to upload things to REVU that will finish on the main repository?11:13
mertikiasac : I though it was just for universe11:13
asacmertiki: its depends who sponsors it :)11:13
asacmertiki: so its not a problem :)11:13
mertikiasac : ok :P11:13
asacmertiki: maybe its misuse of REVU ... but i don't think it is11:13
asacits just much more used for universe packages11:14
mertikiasac : I don't think too, why don't use the ressources we have :)11:14
asacif people blame you about misusing REVU ... just blame me ;)11:14
mertikiasac : haha, no I won't ;)11:14
mertikiOk I'll start working on all this if we want these packages ready for Gutsy11:15
asacso what about enigmail? is that a complete rewrite? or did you just updated what already exists?11:15
mertikiasac : If sometimes I say something that you don't understand, don't be shy to tell me so, I'm french so I'm sure that I make a lot of mistakes11:16
mertikiasac : enigmail-locales is just a update for what already exist11:17
asacmertiki: ok that is fine11:17
asacmertiki: don't shift too much before gutsy for locales11:17
mertikiasac : but I added language packs and removed some because of the new version11:17
asacmertiki: i would like to unify all of these for gutsy+111:17
mertikiasac : You don't think that it will be ready for Gutsy?11:18
asacmertiki: what? the locales ... sure ... the unification of all mozilla related language packs ... probably not11:18
asacUbulette: i still don't get a full diff for your branch :(11:19
mertikiasac : OK! What do you exactly mean by " the unification of mozilla related language packs " ?11:19
Ubuletteasac, strange, me neither11:20
UbuletteI usually do11:20
mertikiasac : I forgot to mention, I fixed some issues with the script inside the enigmail package11:20
asacmertiki: i am not yet sure how to unifiy ... fact is: we have lots of locale packages. All use a different approach to build/update11:21
asacwe should unify that ... however we first have to look at what all those packages do, so we can come up with a solutino that actually works for all :)11:22
mertikiasac : Ha! That's a good idea! If I can participate in that, let me know.11:22
asacwhich is why i think we should target that for gutsy+1 ... remember we are pretty late in release cycle ;)11:23
mertikiasac : Yes I don't think that I'll work on this before Gutsy gets stable :)11:23
asacUbulette: i received full diffs as well at some point, but not anymore apparently11:23
Ubulettefixed11:23
asacok great ... lets wait ;)11:24
Ubuletteasac, what do you think about the comment i've made above regarding duplicated libs in xul ?11:42
Ubuletteseems that now that we no longer strip, we have dupes11:43
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13032 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxpcom.so11:43
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15097748 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so11:43
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13032 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxpcom.so11:43
Ubulette-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15097748 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so11:43
Ubuletteso maybe the later ones could just be links11:43
asacUbulette: those should be links11:44
asacUbulette: as benjamin suggested11:44
asace.g. just ship them in xulrunner-1.9 ... not in xulrunner-1.9-dev11:44
Ubuletteasac, this is wrong. libxul.so is now 140M !12:02
mertikiasac : I new to do some little tests but I think that I already finished to apply the modifications to the lightning-extension script, so if you're there in the next minutes, I'll upload to REVU again12:03
mertikiI need to do*12:03
Ubuletteasac, 2 days ago, it was 15M12:04
Ubulettehmm, maybe not12:06
gnomefreaki thought i was done fixing this POS for the night12:09
asacUbulette: its the dbg symbol so12:10
Ubulettestrange. in dist, libxul.so is huge12:11
Ubulettebut my bot logs show:12:11
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root  15670456 2007-09-18 18:02 ./usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so12:12
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root 124630422 2007-09-18 18:01 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so12:12
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root  15670456 2007-09-18 18:03 ./usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so12:12
Ubulette          -rw-r--r-- root/root 124630422 2007-09-18 18:02 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.sou12:12
Ubulettewhich seems ok12:12
Ubulettelrwxrwxrwx 1 bbot bbot 34 Sep 17 22:38 dist/sdk/lib/libxul.so -> ../../../toolkit/library/libxul.so12:13
Ubulette-rwxr-xr-x 1 bbot bbot 140008579 Sep 17 22:38 toolkit/library/libxul.so12:13
Ubulette140M...12:14
Ubuletteoh, that's without dbgsym12:15
Ubulettegnomefreak.. look what my bot got a few hours ago:12:16
UbuletteErr http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main dpkg 1.14.5ubuntu1312:16
Ubulette  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.8 80] 12:16
UbuletteFailed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu13_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.8 80] 12:16
gnomefreakUbulette: thats because its a bot not a human :)12:16
gnomefreakif i had a place to post it i would but i lost my site for some reason12:16
gnomefreakUbulette: you want ubuntu14 anyway12:17
gnomefreaknot 1312:17
Ubulettepost the deb? I dont need it. bot is resilient to that kind of error :)12:17
gnomefreakah ok12:17
mertikiasac : the addNewXPI.sh script of lightning-extension-locales has been updated and the last package upload in REVU is here : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=26412:24
asacthanks12:24
mertikiyou're welcome :)12:24
mertikithanks also for your help12:24
asacmertiki: what makes me wonder a bit is that the script is so huge ;)12:27
mertikiasac : hehe, yes you're right. There's a lot of autogenerated entries from that script and a LOT of job that we don't have to do by hand, but I think that I can improve it in the future12:28
asacmertiki: is there an option to run with all 'yes' ?12:29
mertikiyes, it's -n12:29
mertikibut if you want to update ALL the languages, you can uses addAllNewXPI.sh which will do it for you anyway12:30
asacis that new?12:30
asacmaybe i haven't tried  All12:30
mertikiasac : no, it's here since the beginning12:30
asacmertiki: maybe AddNewXPI.sh should be renamed?12:31
mertikiasac : just do ./addAllNewXPI.sh after removing everything in the res-files folder and erased all entries into the debian/control files and it will do everything12:31
asacisn't its use-case to convert jars to xpis?12:31
asace.g. jar_to_xpi.sh ?12:32
mertikiasac : I'm not sure, I asked myself too about that, but I think that XPI is the good name because it creates XPI files from the Jar file12:32
asacyeah ;) ... see how that matches the name12:33
asaci gave12:33
asacAddNewXPI.sh doesn't really read like: "creates XPI files from the Jar file" ;)12:33
mertikiasac : haha, yeah we can rename it that way !12:33
mertikijar_to_xpi.sh and all_jar_to_xpi.sh12:34
asacok my vision is this:12:34
asacshort term vision of course ;)12:35
mertikiasac : Yeah, we don't have choice today :)12:35
asacjar-to_xpi.sh will create an xpi from a jar12:35
asacin addition it will create one meta file next to it12:35
asac(or more meta files if needed)12:35
asace.g. just create de-DE.xpi12:35
asac+12:35
asacde-DE.xpi.control12:36
asacde-DE.xpi.README12:36
asacet al12:36
asacok so this jar_to_xpi.sh doesn't know anything about packaging ... it just does what its ment to do12:36
asacnothing implicitly happens12:36
asacyou only get what you ask for12:36
mertikithis would be a VERY good idea12:37
asacthen you create another script which is called ... regen-package.sh12:37
asacthat one just runs the jar_to_xpi.sh things12:37
asacand then processes the results ... e.g. concatenating control file12:37
asacfrom the output12:38
asacin addition regen-package.sh should use templates instead of assuming that you should delete everything but the first entry from control12:38
asacso thats not needed to know12:38
asacyou can just blindly run it and the result will always be correct12:38
mertikiyeah yeah, I can see it that way too12:38
asacregen-package.sh just overwrites control from scratch12:38
mertikiIt would be so perfect12:39
asacits better ... but not perfect ;)12:39
asacschould be pretty simple to do12:39
asacbased on your script12:39
mertikiOne thing : Your idea just covers adding Jar files one by one, what if we want all Jar? Maybe a section in the jar-to-xpi.sh which will starts only with a argument?12:40
asaccat << EOF >> ../control12:40
asac>>12:40
asacmertiki: jar-to-xpi.sh will just deal with one jar12:41
asacthe regen-package.sh12:41
asacorchestrates all this12:41
mertikiOk12:41
asacif its really much code to do all-jar-to-xpi.sh ... then add a script for that12:41
asacbut i think its not worth it as its essentially just a loop over all locales12:41
mertikiNo no, your idea is great, I think about this..12:42
mertikiYeah, very efficient12:43
asacwhere do you generate the install.rdf?12:44
asacah ok they are in res-files12:45
mertikiasac : I'll be happy to work on that idea and I think that it's a very good idea, but I must admit that I can't be sure that I'll be able to do this quickly because I'm new to all this12:45
mertikiasac : yes12:45
asacmertiki: i think its just:12:46
asac1. rename script12:46
mertikiasac : if you consider that the package must be ready in a very short time, I will maybe fail to finish the script at time12:46
asac2. replace cat << EOF >> ../control with cat << EOF >> ../${JAR}.control12:46
Ubuletteasac, got a patch this time ?12:46
asaclet me see12:47
asacyes ;)12:47
asacUbulette: why patch the packager.mk?12:47
asaci understood benjamins comment that we should do that when packaging up12:47
asace.g. in debhelper files12:48
Ubuletteseems better to fix the sdk12:48
mertikiasac : my ears are all open to the step #3, when you're ready :)12:48
asacUbulette: so is there a bug ?12:49
asacmertiki: yeah wait a sec ;)12:49
asacmertiki:12:49
Ubuletteasac, depends. for me, a dupe is a bug. maybe not for moz guys12:50
asac3. put the control source information (e.g. what you currently delete) in a res-files/ file as well12:50
Ubulettethey do plenty of symlinks already12:50
asaci saw that12:50
asac4. write a simple regen-package.sh ... its just what AddAll doesn now +12:51
asaca. in the beginning copy the res-files/control header to debian/control12:52
asacb. run jar_to_xpi.sh for all locales (like now)12:53
asacc. append all $LOCALE.control files to debian/control12:53
asaci think that would be it12:53
asacto start with12:53
mertikiasac : I think that there's some little other details, but I'm ready to do this and I will and give you the result this evening or tomorrow12:54
asaccool ... this evening is already late night here ;) so tomorrow i guess12:55
mertikiasac : Hehe, yes :)12:55
mertikiasac : I must go now, I give you news about this12:55
mertikiasac : thanks for this clear roadmap12:56
mertikiit's pretty useful for someone who hasn't a lot of experience yet12:57
asacmertiki: your welcome.12:59
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Ubulettewaa.. I pressed "1" in a form in ff-trunk, X crashed01:00
asacso you use chatzilla? because you went offline ;)01:01
asacah X crashed ;) ... didn't read that01:01
asaci have it in a screen ... if i am offline its either connectivity or a desaster ;)01:01
asacUbulette: as a good firefox trunk user you should always run with firefox -g01:02
asacor is there a core available now?01:02
UbuletteXgl crashed01:04
asacoh xgl01:05
asacthat doesn't count ;)01:05
asacdo you use desktop effects?01:05
Ubulette_usr_bin_Xgl.1000.crash01:05
Ubuletteno01:05
asacdoes that crash have a recent timestamp?01:05
asacdoes it match this incident?01:06
Ubuletteyes01:06
Ubuletteprevious crach file is 3 days old01:07
Ubulette_usr_lib_totem_totem-plugin-viewer.1000.crash01:07
asacwhy do you use that?01:07
asaci mean xgl01:07
Ubuletteit's default in gutsy since a few days01:07
asacreally?01:07
asacoh01:07
Ubuletteindeed01:08
asaci don't have it installed01:08
asacits not even in main atm01:08
asacFilename: pool/universe/x/xserver-xgl/xserver-xgl_1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb01:08
asacmaybe you are again ahead of time ;)01:09
asacUbulette: ok we should really upload xulrunner tomorrow01:11
asacand firefox-gp01:11
asactime is running low01:11
asacfri we end up in beta freeze01:11
asacfor a week01:11
asacthen its beta and i want that in before beta01:11
asacbut actually i have to sort through whatelese i want in beta01:11
asaci think i have to do 6 uploads or so tomorrow already ;)01:12
Ubulettecan't xul enter as it is now ?01:13
asacno ...we have to at least do the rename (if we want a rename) and fork of the release branch so we can flip to system-nss/nspr01:14
asacthat needs at least testing01:14
asacany new issues with ffox?01:14
asacnew - dues to system-nss/nspr01:15

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