[05:59] <gnomefreak> i hate PPA atm i uploaded ffox-trunk and it was accepted (got email and its on site) hasnt been sent to build (its been 2hours) and its set to Pending/Removal already i asked in LP but i doubt i will get answer on it
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ubotu: you are most likely sleeping but with kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or is this something that is broken and cant be done atm?
[06:17] <ubotu> I'll remember that, gnomefreak
[06:17] <gnomefreak> no
[06:17] <gnomefreak> !forget you are most likely
[06:17] <ubotu> I know nothing about you are most likely yet, gnomefreak
[06:17] <gnomefreak> ubotu
[06:18] <gnomefreak> !ubotu
[06:18] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[06:20] <gnomefreak> !forget you are most likely sleeping but with kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or
[06:20] <ubotu> I'll forget that, gnomefreak
[06:20] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: you are most likely sleeping but with  kazehakase you have lates changelog at 4.3 andy plans  on grabbing 4.8 as its the latest version or is this  something that is broken and cant be done atm?
[06:21] <gnomefreak> just wondering is all  but im off to bed its already 12:30 ish
[10:00] <asac> hey
[10:10] <Ubulette> hi
[10:11] <asac> ole
[10:16] <Ubulette> Kazehakse seems to now target webcore
[10:17] <asac> webcore?
[10:18] <Ubulette> the webkit core
[10:18] <asac> its pluggable, right?
[10:18] <asac> e.g. you can switch engines through configuration?
[10:19] <asac> i remember that they plan to do that for gecko/konqueror
[10:21] <Ubulette> yep, but I mean, dev is focusing on webcore, according to changlogs
[10:21] <Ubulette> so xul made no progress toward 1.9
[10:29] <Ubulette> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2007/09/opera-adds-animated-png-support/
[10:30] <Ubulette> time for ubuntu png guys to move on...
[10:30] <asac> hmm
[10:31] <asac> we are in feature freeze :/
[10:31] <asac> i think we have to wait till gutsy+1 for libpng
[10:31] <asac> at least if we don't want to ship a new libapng in universe
[10:31] <asac> universe should still be open for us ;)
[10:32] <Ubulette> fortunately, i'll be free of gutsy in a month
[10:36] <Ubulette> ok, i'm out. See you
[10:43] <asac> Ubulette: cu
[10:44] <janimo> are the new nspr and nss packages in PPA needed for xulrunner-1.9 or are the ones in gutsy compatible and sufficient?
[10:45] <janimo> asac: are there plans for getting xulrunner-1.9 in gutsy?
[10:47] <asac> gnomefreak: you don't have to update the changelog for upload if i already targetted it as "RELEASE"
[10:48] <asac> janimo: no you need the ones from PPA
[10:48] <asac> janimo: they should be in
[10:48] <asac> janimo: try to install firefox-trunk
[10:48] <asac> it should bring you all
[10:49] <janimo> asac: ok, I actuially need xulrunner-1.9 to build somehting else in my PPA
[10:49] <janimo> asac: and was wondering which sources do I need to copy there since PPAs cannot do build depends from other PPAs
[10:49] <janimo> yet
[10:53] <asac> does it already work?
[10:53] <asac> i mean locally?
[10:53] <asac> otherwise wait till it gets into gutsy
[10:53] <asac> should be really soon
[10:54] <asac> janimo: ^^^
[10:54] <janimo> asac: it does work locally
[10:54] <janimo> asac: that's why I asked if it goes to gutsy
[10:54] <janimo> is it a matter of days?
[11:02] <asac> yes
[11:02] <asac> we actually wait for a8
[11:02] <asac> if it isn't out in two days i will upload a preview
[11:04] <janimo> ok
[11:05] <janimo> asac: btw I hope you'll find the time to take a look at the patches filed on network-manager-applet to make it Xfce friendly :)
[11:09] <janimo> asac: you could also upload a preview even if a8 is not out so the NEW source processing is not delayed. Unless you can get someone on the archive team to let it through  as soon as you upload, it may help uploading earlier
[11:13] <asac> janimo: yes its scheduled for today
[01:10] <gnomefreak> asac: you do when you sign it
[01:11] <gnomefreak> otherwise i cant sign it afaik
[01:11] <gnomefreak> doesnt matter much there is something wrong with trunk anyway
[01:12] <asac> gnomefreak: what was the question?
[01:12] <gnomefreak> asac: about changing the changelog
[01:13] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[01:13] <asac> gnomefreak: no ... the idea is you grab from bzr
[01:13] <asac> then you sponsor
[01:13] <asac> just use -kgnomefreak@ubuntu.com to sign with your key
[01:14] <gnomefreak> i thought the changelog had to be set to me to sign it
[01:14] <asac> you don't need to own the changelog in order to sponsor
[01:14] <asac> no
[01:14] <asac> sponsoring works as well (like above)
[01:14] <asac> dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -S -si -kasac@debian.org
[01:14] <asac> i use if i sponsor a package from someone else
[01:14] <gnomefreak> son of a bitch
[01:14] <asac> for now its ok ... just remember to do it that way next time
[01:14] <gnomefreak> asac: you guys need to change version numbers for firefox-trunk
[01:15] <asac> i doubt that
[01:15] <asac> why?
[01:15] <gnomefreak> no i dont
[01:15] <gnomefreak> irefox-trunk - 3.0a8pre~cvs20070829-0ubuntu1~mt1
[01:15] <gnomefreak> notice 3.0a8
[01:15] <gnomefreak> firefox-trunk - 3.0~a8~cvs20070914t1713-0ubuntu1~mt1
[01:15] <gnomefreak> 3.0~
[01:15] <gnomefreak> thats why its not being sent to build
[01:16] <gnomefreak> it seems 3.0~a8 is < 3.0a8
[01:17] <gnomefreak> nothing can be done other than changing the version numbers as it is now it wont build since we cant remove packages yet
[01:19] <asac> well ... we have to remove them
[01:20] <asac> or use an epoch
[01:20] <gnomefreak> we cant remove anything atm
[01:20] <gnomefreak> its not a feature yet
[01:23] <asac> so when was that package uploaded?
[01:23] <asac> and why did it end up in there at all?
[01:23] <asac> with that bogus version
[01:23] <asac> anyway i will ask
[01:25] <gnomefreak> asac: you said it was ready i built and uploaded last night
[01:25] <asac> which?
[01:25] <asac> 3.0~a8
[01:25] <asac> not 3.0a8pre
[01:26] <gnomefreak> yes 3.0~ lastnight
[01:26] <gnomefreak> asac: 3.0a8 was our first upload
[01:26] <gnomefreak> before the version changed
[01:27] <gnomefreak> asking if LP admin can remove
[01:27] <gnomefreak> since we cant
[01:28] <asac> gnomefreak: don't bother i asked already
[01:28] <asac> lets wait
[01:28] <gnomefreak> me too :)
[01:28] <asac> < asac> anyway i will ask
[01:28] <asac> why do you do that?
[01:28] <gnomefreak> where did you ask? is there a PPA channel?
[01:28] <asac> it just is bugging from multiple sites
[01:29] <asac> s/sites/sides/
[01:29] <asac> no PM
[01:29] <gnomefreak> oh well i asked before you said you did and i didnt see it in #luanchpad
[01:29] <asac> when?
[01:30] <gnomefreak> i asked at 7:26 its not 7:30
[01:30] <asac> 3:21 < asac> anyway i will ask
[01:30] <gnomefreak> s/not/now
[01:30] <asac> 13:21 < asac> anyway i will ask
[01:30] <asac> 13:28 < gnomefreak> s/not/now
[01:30] <asac> so you asked after
[01:30] <asac> anyway ... nm
[01:30] <gnomefreak> 07:27 <      gnomefreak > asking if LP admin can remove
[01:30] <gnomefreak> that is after i asked
[01:30] <asac> yes thats after
[01:30] <asac> i asked
[01:31] <asac> no
[01:31] <asac> 13:21 < asac> anyway i will ask
[01:31] <asac> 13:23 < gnomefreak> asac: you said it was ready i built and uploaded last night
[01:31] <asac> 13:23 < asac> which?
[01:31] <asac> 13:23 < asac> 3.0~a8
[01:31] <asac> 13:23 < asac> not 3.0a8pre
[01:31] <asac> 13:23  * gnomefreak is wondering why gnomebaker and nautilus freeze when burning and k3b does
[01:31] <asac> 13:23 < gnomefreak> yes 3.0~ lastnight
[01:31] <asac> 13:24 < gnomefreak> asac: 3.0a8 was our first upload
[01:31] <asac> 13:24 < gnomefreak> before the version changed
[01:31] <asac> 13:24 < gnomefreak> asking if LP admin can remove
[01:31] <gnomefreak> 13:24 is just after i asked
[01:31] <asac> 13:24 < gnomefreak> since we cant
[01:31] <asac> 13:26 < asac> gnomefreak: don't bother i asked already
[01:31] <asac> no
[01:31] <asac> hey read above
[01:32] <asac> 13:21 i said "< asac> anyway i will ask"
[01:32] <asac> then 13:24 < gnomefreak> asking if LP admin can remove
[01:32] <gnomefreak> oh i missed that
[01:32] <asac> no problem
[01:32] <asac> just to get it right ;)
[01:32] <gnomefreak> well let me know if you get answer
[01:33] <gnomefreak> it really does seems weird that a kde app doesnt freeze but gnome apps do :(
[01:39] <gnomefreak> :(
[01:39] <gnomefreak> i got upload a newer version
[01:48] <asac> you got upload a newer version?
[01:49] <gnomefreak> asac: that is the answer i got is to upload newer version i also got change the version
[01:49] <gnomefreak> why did we change the version?
[01:57] <asac> gnomefreak: lets lot upload it at all
[01:57] <asac> lets not
[01:57] <asac> we will rename the package
[01:57] <gnomefreak> asac: it was already uploaded i cant change that
[01:58] <asac> which?
[01:58] <asac> 3.0~a8 should not be uploded until we have renamed the package
[01:59] <asac> if you want to upload anyway, add an epoch to that version
[01:59] <gnomefreak> asac: when you and Ubulette said it was good i uploaded it didnt think of the versioning at that time since it was oked by 2 people
[01:59] <gnomefreak> asac: i uploaded last night i said 30 minutes or so ago
[01:59] <asac> but that was rejected right?
[01:59] <gnomefreak> thats how its Pending/Removal
[01:59] <gnomefreak> no
[02:00] <asac> then whats teh problem?
[02:00] <gnomefreak> not rejected until after it was uploaded, as long as versions are not the same it will upload
[02:00] <gnomefreak> asac: its Pending/Removal because its a lower version it was superseeded when it was uploaded
[02:00] <asac> yeah ... so the upload didn't work
[02:00] <asac> then leave it alone ;)
[02:01] <asac> or add an epoch to version
[02:01] <gnomefreak> asac: it is uploaded just cant build
[02:01] <asac> yeah ... thats de-facto not-uploaded
[02:01] <gnomefreak> https://edge.launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/
[02:02] <gnomefreak> asac: its uploaded just not building but either way same steps would need to be taken make new tarball build package upload everything
[02:02] <asac> see how it directly goes into the sink ... so the upload was a non-upload ;)
[02:02] <asac> gnomefreak: i said that we don't need that because we will rename
[02:02] <asac> if you still want that add an epoch to version and reupload
[02:03] <gnomefreak> no you can change version but either way the ~ needs to be moved/removed so maybe just changing name of tarball build and upload will work but either way the tarball is gonna have to change names
[02:03] <asac> you don't need to rename tarball for that
[02:03] <asac> no
[02:04] <gnomefreak> right now the tarball is 3.0~a
[02:04] <asac> thats not a problem
[02:04] <gnomefreak> that is lower than 3.0a
[02:04] <asac> add an epoch
[02:04] <asac> i won't repeat that ;)
[02:04] <asac> e.g. prefix changelog version with 1:
[02:05] <gnomefreak> but if the changelog is looking to orig to build doesnt it have to match?
[02:06] <gnomefreak> 1:3.0~ would still have to make tarball 1:3.0~ or it wont find the right tarball for changelog no?
[02:09] <gnomefreak> and if that is what you mean to do i dont see that as being sane, i would perfer the verson scheme change so its not something we have to add everytime
[02:10] <bluekuja> hey all
[02:10] <gnomefreak> well im going to reformat now and see if it doesnt get fixed
[02:17] <asac> hey bluekuja
[02:18] <bluekuja> heya alex
[02:18] <bluekuja> :)
[03:17] <asac> anyone has /etc/xdg/autostart/nm-applet.desktop as well?
[03:17] <asac> bluekuja: ^^ ?
[03:18] <asac> do you have that file?
[03:19] <bluekuja> asac: checking
[03:19] <bluekuja> andrea@nightsong:/etc/xdg/autostart$ ls
[03:19] <bluekuja> evolution-alarm-notify.desktop  nm-applet.desktop
[03:19] <bluekuja> gnome-power-manager.desktop     restricted-manager.desktop
[03:19] <bluekuja> gnome-volume-manager.desktop    update-notifier.desktop
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: I have it
[03:20] <bluekuja> :)
[03:20] <bluekuja> asac: bitstormlite got no makefile.am
[03:20] <bluekuja> it's not there also in the orig
[03:20] <bluekuja> let me see if there was on on previous releases
[03:21] <bluekuja> asac: bope
[03:21] <bluekuja> *nope
[03:21] <bluekuja> asac: no makefile.am
[03:25] <asac> bluekuja: i did it once
[03:25] <asac> bluekuja: you should have it somewhere
[03:25] <asac> unless of course there was exactly the same issue with a different package
[03:26] <bluekuja> asac: same issue
[03:26] <bluekuja> with another package
[03:26] <bluekuja> we worked on
[03:26] <bluekuja> :)
[03:26] <asac> i doubt it
[03:26] <asac> which package?
[03:26] <bluekuja> I'm sure
[03:26] <asac> prove
[03:26] <bluekuja> let me see
[03:26] <bluekuja> let me see
[03:26] <asac> show me the package ... then its fine ;)
[03:26] <asac> for now its too much of a coincident
[03:27] <asac> actually i am sure that you bugged upstream for whatever makefile we did
[03:27] <asac> maybe you can find mail about that or something
[03:27] <asac> to give us a clue
[03:27] <bluekuja> asac: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~bluekuja/verlihub/debian.source
[03:27] <bluekuja> 14. By Andrea Veri <andrea@seagate> on 2007-06-08
[03:27] <bluekuja> added Makefile.am into ./share, it was dropped erroneously by upstream
[03:27] <bluekuja> that's it
[03:28] <asac> great ;)
[03:28] <bluekuja> same issue
[03:28] <bluekuja> lol
[03:28] <asac> the doubt disappears ;)
[03:28] <asac> upstreams are on crack apparently
[03:28] <bluekuja> :)
[03:28] <bluekuja> yup
[03:28] <asac> well .. we definitly need to write the Makefile.am then i guess
[03:29] <bluekuja> asac: oh great! writing makefiles is my passion :D
[03:29] <bluekuja> I'm jk of course
[03:30] <bluekuja> asac: I have upstream on msn
[03:30] <bluekuja> I can ask him why
[03:31] <bluekuja> asac: no?
[03:32] <asac> well ... try to learn Makefile.am
[03:32] <asac> ;)
[03:32] <bluekuja> lol
[03:32] <bluekuja> ok
[03:32] <asac> it often improves with a bit of a distance
[03:32] <asac> so try for an hour or so ;)
[03:33] <asac> then go other ways and at least next time you will get it ;)
[03:43] <bluekuja> asac: using autotools
[03:43] <bluekuja> will make the diff bigger?
[03:56] <asac> probably
[03:56] <asac> if there is a patch system you can carry the autotools update in a separate patch as well
[03:56] <asac> otherwise try to get the fix upstream asap :)
[03:57] <bluekuja> talking with him atm
[03:57] <bluekuja> to see what's going on
[07:55] <Ubulette> yop
[07:57] <Ubulette>   - xulrunner-1.9-dbgsym_1.9~a8~cvs20070918t0514+bbot-1_i386.ddeb: ok (49970924 bytes)
[07:57] <Ubulette> asac, it's huge :)
[07:57] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root 124623319 2007-09-18 14:59 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so
[07:58] <Ubulette>    - xulrunner-1.9-dev-dbgsym_1.9~a8~cvs20070918t0514+bbot-1_i386.ddeb: ok (48759256 bytes)
[07:58] <Ubulette> hmm
[07:58] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root 124623319 2007-09-18 15:00 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so
[07:58] <Ubulette> we should not ship that twice...
[09:09] <gnomefreak> fuck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[09:10] <gnomefreak> hmmm wonders if downgrading dpkg would work
[09:10] <Ubulette> gnomefreak, what's happening ?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> critical bug in dpkg i get during upgrade
[09:10] <Ubulette> gutsy ?
[09:10] <gnomefreak> so now im unstable all over the placve
[09:11] <gnomefreak> place
[09:11] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:11] <Ubulette> usually, it's fixable
[09:11] <Ubulette> what bug is this ?
[09:12] <Ubulette> I hope you didnt accept blindly a huge removal
[09:12] <gnomefreak> it looks like ubuntu 14 fixes it
[09:12] <gnomefreak> but i dont have ubuntu14 yet
[09:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147578 2007-08-24 19:03 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu10_i386.deb
[09:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147646 2007-08-29 17:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu11_i386.deb
[09:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2147780 2007-09-06 19:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu12_i386.deb
[09:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2174464 2007-09-18 19:31 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu14_i386.deb
[09:13] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2146934 2007-08-21 22:04 /var/cache/apt/archives/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu9_i386.deb
[09:13] <Ubulette> I still have those
[09:13] <gnomefreak> i have the right one now
[09:13] <gnomefreak> had to wget it
[09:14] <gnomefreak> since dpkg is all kinds of broken it seems
[09:14] <gnomefreak> looks to be working
[09:16] <gnomefreak> yay now i can have a stable/unstable system instead of unstable as hell
[09:16] <Ubulette> lol
[09:34] <mertiki> hello asac, are-you here?
[09:34] <bluekuja> hi mertiki
[09:34] <mertiki> hi bluekuja :)
[09:34] <bluekuja> questions about sunbird locales?
[09:34] <mertiki> about lightning-extension-locales
[09:34] <bluekuja> oh nvm then
[09:34] <bluekuja> :)
[09:34] <mertiki> nvm?
[09:35] <bluekuja> nevermind
[09:35] <mertiki> hh ok :)
[09:35] <bluekuja> you need asac then
[09:35] <bluekuja> :)
[09:35] <mertiki> is-there something to fix in sunbird-locale or it's all ok?
[09:35] <bluekuja> everything ok, already uploaded
[09:35] <bluekuja> check REVU
[09:35] <bluekuja> :)
[09:36] <mertiki> Great! I'm proud, it's my very first package =)
[09:36] <bluekuja> mertiki, I uploaded it some days ago
[09:36] <bluekuja> :)
[09:37] <mertiki> should-it already be in the universe repositories?
[09:37] <bluekuja> mertiki, it depends from archive admins
[09:37] <bluekuja> it's a new package
[09:37] <bluekuja> so it need approval from them
[09:37] <bluekuja> check queue to see current state
[09:37] <mertiki> ah ok, hey thanks for your work on this too!
[09:37] <bluekuja> mertiki, np :)
[09:38] <mertiki> asac gave me some help around lightning-extension-locales and I created a package for this too, so now all mozilla calendar applications will have a lot on languages
[09:39] <bluekuja> mertiki, well, if you get another exception and asac tells me that your package is ok
[09:39] <bluekuja> I gonna upload it too
[09:40] <mertiki> It's in works, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/140598
[09:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140598 in lightning-sunbird "lightning-extension doesn't have language packs" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[09:40] <bluekuja> mertiki, good
[09:41] <bluekuja> mertiki, if he wants me to check that
[09:41] <bluekuja> I gonna take care of it
[09:41] <bluekuja> it depends from him, you know
[09:41] <mertiki> of course :)
[09:42] <mertiki> and I'm happy to work with comments of others
[09:42] <bluekuja> mertiki, :)
[09:42] <mertiki> is this asac? :P
[09:42] <bluekuja> mertiki, yes he is
[09:42] <bluekuja> maybe he's lagging a bit
[09:42] <mertiki> ha, ok it doesn't mean that he's here
[09:43] <bluekuja> mertiki, he gonna be here soon I guess
[09:43] <bluekuja> he's alwais around
[09:43] <mertiki> ah great!
[09:43] <bluekuja> mertiki, first time here?
[09:44] <mertiki> so I'll prefer waiting then send him a email
[09:44] <bluekuja> mertiki, yes, definitely
[09:44] <mertiki> bluekuja : what do mean?
[09:44] <bluekuja> mertiki, with what?
[09:45] <mertiki> bluekuja : when you say first time here, do you mean on that channel?
[09:45] <bluekuja> yup
[09:45] <mertiki> bluekuja : No, but it's just the second time :)
[09:45] <bluekuja> oh cool
[09:45] <bluekuja> :)
[09:46] <mertiki> bluekuja : I just know Linux Ubuntu since 2 years and I started working to improve Ubuntu since only 6 months, I still have a lot to learn, but I love that
[09:46] <bluekuja> mertiki, your lp page?
[09:46] <mertiki> bluekuja : I found that building language pack was a very interesting way to learn basic packaging
[09:46] <bluekuja> https://edge.launchpad.net/~saivann/
[09:46] <bluekuja> mertiki, https://edge.launchpad.net/~saivann/+packages
[09:47] <mertiki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/~saivann
[09:47] <mertiki> yeah it's it
[09:47] <bluekuja> :)
[09:48] <mertiki> and I' frency so sorry if sometimes I can do weird sentences, you know :P
[09:48] <mertiki> french*
[09:48] <bluekuja> dont worry
[09:48] <bluekuja> not a problem for me
[09:49] <mertiki> hehe, I learn both packaging and english :P love to learn
[09:49] <bluekuja> :D
[09:49] <bluekuja> how old are you?
[09:50] <mertiki> only 19, and you?
[09:50] <bluekuja> 18 :)
[09:50] <mertiki> really??
[09:50] <bluekuja> yup
[09:50] <mertiki> wow, that's great :P
[09:50] <bluekuja> :)
[09:51] <bluekuja> I'm younger than you then
[09:51] <mertiki> I always think that I'm the younger, but seems that I'm far from being the one
[09:51] <mertiki> the only one*
[09:51] <mertiki> yep :P
[09:51] <bluekuja> hehe, I know someone who is even 14
[09:52] <bluekuja> :P
[09:52] <mertiki> haha, that's cool!
[09:52] <bluekuja> that does some translations on ubuntu
[09:52] <bluekuja> and stuff like that
[09:52] <mertiki> I know that if I would have know Ubuntu when I was 14, I would worked on this all my days and all my nights
[09:53] <bluekuja> lol
[09:53] <bluekuja> mertiki, live your life too
[09:53] <mertiki> loll, and that's what I do now anyway :P
[09:53] <bluekuja> mertiki, I usually work something like 2 hours per day
[09:53] <bluekuja> mertiki, that's enough I guess
[09:54] <mertiki> bluekuja : at your job or in Ubuntu ?
[09:54] <bluekuja> maybe sometimes you can go to 3-4 hours
[09:54] <bluekuja> mertiki, ubuntu
[09:54] <bluekuja> :9
[09:54] <bluekuja> :)
[09:54] <bluekuja> mertiki, I think two hours a day is a great contribution
[09:54] <mertiki> bluekuja : but that's very great! In my case, I'll work very hard on something like my packages now, and stop working for I while when I'll get some other projects
[09:55] <bluekuja> so if you stay 24/7 is crazy! :)
[09:55] <mertiki> haha, yes you're right :D
[09:55] <bluekuja> :)
[09:56] <mertiki> bluekuja : I'm passinate by computers and what they can give to human anyway, my job is to help people with their computers, I give quality technical services in Qubec for people, so Ubuntu is for me great promises.
[09:57] <bluekuja> mertiki, you work already?
[09:57] <bluekuja> mertiki, not uni?
[09:57] <mertiki> bluekuja : www.leservicetechnique.com is my website, and I have very satisfied customers
[09:58] <bluekuja> oh cool!
[09:58] <bluekuja> that's nice
[09:58] <mertiki> bluekuja : Mmmh, no, maybe one day but from now on, I love what I do and learn every day so much
[09:58] <mertiki> bluekuja : Yeah! That's a pretty hard job but I love that :)
[09:59] <bluekuja> mertiki, i understand why you decided to start packaging
[09:59] <bluekuja> :)
[09:59] <mertiki> hahaYeah! That's a pretty hard job but I love that :)
[09:59] <mertiki> oh sorry
[09:59] <bluekuja> np
[09:59] <mertiki> bluekuja : Do you study at University?
[09:59] <bluekuja> mertiki, not yet
[09:59] <bluekuja> still school
[09:59] <bluekuja> :)
[09:59] <bluekuja> unfortunately
[09:59] <bluekuja> yes
[10:00] <mertiki> yeah.. what a strange question :P where not so old :P
[10:00] <bluekuja> :9
[10:00] <bluekuja> :)
[10:00] <bluekuja> damn 9
[10:00] <bluekuja> ^^
[10:00] <mertiki> hehe, yes, at least it's not like high school, I just have bad memory from high school...
[10:00] <mertiki> hehe
[10:00] <bluekuja> :P
[10:01] <bluekuja> asac: ping when you gonna be around again
[10:01] <mertiki> txs
[10:01] <bluekuja> I really hope he'll get on soon
[10:01] <bluekuja> usually he does some sports on the evening
[10:01] <mertiki> I'm here all the day anyway
[10:01] <bluekuja> or shopping et all
[10:02] <bluekuja> so he's afk
[10:02] <bluekuja> mertiki, timezone?
[10:02] <mertiki> -0400
[10:02] <mertiki> it's 16:02 o'clock here
[10:03] <mertiki> ( 4:02 pm )
[10:03] <bluekuja> oh :)
[10:03] <bluekuja> 22:00 here
[10:03] <bluekuja> same for asac
[10:03] <mertiki> ay, I'm late :D
[10:03] <bluekuja> :)
[10:04] <mertiki> 6 hours difference, that's big!
[10:04] <bluekuja> yup, it is
[10:05] <mertiki> I love Internet :)
[10:05] <bluekuja> same here
[10:06] <mertiki> I'll work on some projects here so it's possible that I don't answer quickly
[10:06] <bluekuja> mertiki, ok
[10:06] <bluekuja> just get on when alex get back
[10:08] <mertiki> you mean asac?
[10:09] <bluekuja> mertiki, asac's name is alexander so asac
[10:09] <bluekuja> *so alex
[10:10] <mertiki> bluekuja : oh you're right
[10:10] <bluekuja> :)
[10:10] <mertiki> bluekuja : I always call him asac :)
[10:10] <bluekuja> ^^
[10:14] <mertiki>  VirtualBox is such a awesome program.. I don't know if you both run Windows and Linux, but when using Windows inside VirtualBox, I can almost not see any slowness
[10:16] <bluekuja> never tried
[10:17] <bluekuja> yet
[10:17] <mertiki> It's very usefel in my case because I always need a Windows system to guide my customers, or remotely help them. It's simple, I know never use Windows outside of VirtualBox and I'm always impressed
[10:18] <bluekuja> :D
[10:18] <bluekuja> mertiki, why near your mail
[10:18] <bluekuja> I see (evolution)
[10:20] <mertiki> Ha!! it's because I followed the instructions on how to create a key for Lp, and on the instructions, it's necessary to provide Name, phrase and email... So I just choosed evolution as the phrase, but now I realised that... nobody have this except me!
[10:20] <bluekuja> lol
[10:20] <bluekuja> :D
[10:21] <mertiki> and I tried to generate a gpg key without that, without success, so I just keeped it :P
[10:21] <mertiki> I'm sure I did something wrong lol
[10:21] <bluekuja> yeah
[10:21] <bluekuja> for sure
[10:21] <bluekuja> ^^
[10:21] <bluekuja> mertiki, I go to sleep now
[10:21] <mertiki> do you think it can cause problems?
[10:22] <bluekuja> mertiki, no
[10:22] <mertiki> ah ok :)
[10:22] <bluekuja> but it's not really usefull
[10:22] <bluekuja> ^^
[10:22] <mertiki> hehe no
[10:22] <bluekuja> I go now
[10:22] <mertiki> happy to have meet you!
[10:22] <bluekuja> need some rest
[10:22] <bluekuja> same here, man!
[10:22] <mertiki> :)
[10:22] <mertiki> @+
[10:22] <bluekuja> mertiki, meet you tomorrow here
[10:22] <bluekuja> I'm alwais around
[10:22] <bluekuja> and let me know asac's decision
[10:22] <bluekuja> on them
[10:23] <mertiki> bluekuja : Maybe I'll not be there, but for sure I'll be in the future days
[10:23] <mertiki> ok!
[10:23] <bluekuja> mertiki, maybe write a mail
[10:23] <bluekuja> to me
[10:23] <bluekuja> so I know what to do
[10:23] <mertiki> that's ok, I will :)
[10:23] <bluekuja> k
[10:39] <asac> mertiki: still there?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> !dpi
[10:39] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dpi - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[10:39] <mertiki> asac : hi!
[10:39] <asac> hi
[10:39] <asac> whats up?
[10:39] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[10:40] <mertiki> asac : I made the modifications you needed to on lightning-extension-locales and wanted to know what you think about that
[10:40] <asac> yes ... did you read my comment in bug?
[10:41] <mertiki> yes, and re-uploaded the new package to REVU
[10:41] <mertiki> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/140598
[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 140598 in lightning-sunbird "lightning-extension doesn't have language packs" [Undecided,Incomplete] 
[10:42] <asac> . It was in the iceowl-extension-locales package because it was designed for icedove 1.5, it's not needed anymore in Gutsy so I just removed the transitionnal package section from the script.
[10:42] <asac>  2
[10:42] <asac> isn't that a bug in iceowl-extension ... he probably didn't migrate that properly
[10:43] <mertiki> Mmmh, I couldn't tell you, so far, this section was no useful in my case, removing the section didn't change anything
[10:44] <gnomefreak> asac: remind me tomorrow to look at iceape recommends please
[10:44] <asac> mertiki: addAllNewXPI.sh must be run outside of the debian folder
[10:45] <asac> i tried that like debian/scripts/addAllNewXPI.sh
[10:45] <asac> that didn't work
[10:45] <gnomefreak> its still recommending iceape-calendar
[10:45] <asac> (not in this revision, but in the one before)
[10:45] <mertiki> asac : I sended a email to the person which created the iceowl-extension-locales package about the problems I found and didn't received a reply yey
[10:45] <gnomefreak> and i have to fix these damn fonts
[10:45] <mertiki> yet*
[10:46] <mertiki> asac : yes, it's written in the ReadMe file that I made in the new package
[10:46] <asac> mertiki: ok its at the end
[10:46] <asac> can we fix that?
[10:46] <asac> so i can runit like above?
[10:47] <mertiki> asac : Of course it's possible, but maybe need one day of work
[10:47] <gnomefreak> ok i have 2 hours to do other things ill bbl
[10:47] <asac> that would be great to have ... i hate to copy things aroud in package ... you will definitly forget to remove it and in the end it will clutter the diff.gz
[10:48] <mertiki> asac : I will need to change a lot of things in the script to make sure every folder are Ok but that's possible
[10:48] <asac> mertiki: how about adding all the logic in the makefile?
[10:48] <asac> e.g. debian/rules ?
[10:48] <mertiki> asac : you mean, creating a makefile that will automatically update the language packs and everything?
[10:49] <asac> if you are not that comfortable with makefiles, we can keep it as a shell script
[10:49] <asac> mertiki: well basically its moving the code from the .sh scripts to the debian/rules file
[10:49] <asac> and add a target: update-xpis
[10:49] <asac> or something
[10:49] <asac> oh well
[10:49] <asac> its update-debian-files:
[10:49] <asac> that would recreate the control file
[10:49] <mertiki> asac : As I said on the bugs, because the lightning-extension version can change, the rules file would need to be modified at each new version, would that be OK?
[10:50] <asac> mertiki: its not a problem ... you can even use dpkg-parsechangelog to automatically get the upstream version from the last changelog entry
[10:50] <asac> if that is suitable
[10:51] <asac> try dpkg-parsechangelog  | grep Version
[10:51] <asac> when in the package
[10:51] <mertiki> asac : it's actually the first time I work with rules file seriously, so I can't say that I'm comfortable with this and most probably that if I start to do this job, I'll need somebody to help me
[10:51] <asac> ok
[10:51] <asac> mertiki: lets use the script approach for gutsy ... and then improve it for gutsy+1?
[10:51] <asac> would that be ok?
[10:52] <mertiki> asac : What a wonderful idea
[10:52] <asac> in fact, as long as you don't go away, i am fine with a hard to maintain package ;)
[10:52] <mertiki> asac : haha, and I won't go away
[10:52] <asac> but in the end the package should be easily updatable ... so in case you get hit by truck or are in holiday everbody can fix that
[10:53] <mertiki> I think it's actually simple and well documented in the ReadMe file, I would find it very easy if I didn't know the package yet
[10:53] <mertiki> did you read the ReadMe file?
[10:53] <asac> sure ;9
[10:53] <mertiki> asac : Is that ok?
[10:54] <asac> well ... i can say its not perfect ... and its not as easy to understand as you think it is ;)
[10:54] <asac> developers are lazy people that hate to look at docs
[10:54] <mertiki> asac : A goutsh..
[10:54] <mertiki> asac : haha :P ok
[10:54] <asac> but its not a problem :)
[10:55] <mertiki> asac : Ok, If I modify the script to be able to launch it inside the script folder, is there something else you think that I should fix?
[10:57] <mertiki> ( I will work for a all-automatic rules file for Gutsy +1 but keep the script for Gutsy )
[10:58] <mertiki> I'll know more about rules files in 6 months, for sure
[10:58] <asac> sure
[10:59] <asac> i am here to help
[10:59] <asac> after all you are the maintainer now ;) ... so you can decide what goes in and what not
[10:59] <mertiki> asac : Woaw :P
[10:59] <mertiki> asac : My goal is to bring a functionnal package for Ubuntu :)
[10:59] <asac> well ... i might try to prevent dessters
[11:00] <mertiki> haha
[11:00] <asac> mertiki: yes, thats the first and most obvious goal for everything: get something that works
[11:01] <mertiki> asac : And I'll do everything I can to make a good package well though, that's why I don't want to create the automatic rules file now because I know that I don't have the skills to do it
[11:01] <mertiki> But I will
[11:02] <mertiki> I have another question for you, concerning my enigmail-locales package. Do you have time?
[11:02] <asac> a bit
[11:02] <mertiki> Mh, would you prefer a mail?
[11:02] <asac> i have time, but might be distracted here and there ;)
[11:02] <asac> no
[11:02] <mertiki> ok
[11:02] <asac> go ahead
[11:04] <mertiki> asac : there's to language pack that have the same ThunderbirdKeyID in the package, so if they are both installed, one of the two will overwrite the first. I just added a conflict rule to the debian/control file
[11:04] <mertiki> asac : Is that a good idea?
[11:04] <mertiki> there's two*
[11:05] <asac> ThunderbirdKeyID ?
[11:05] <asac> which one do they use?`
[11:05] <Ubulette> asac, i've fixed mozclient
[11:05] <mertiki> {847b3a00-7b55-11d4-8f02-006008948af5}
[11:06] <asac> Ubulette: thanks
[11:06] <mertiki> it's ca language and zh-cn
[11:06] <asac> mertiki: i think we should package the em:id
[11:06] <asac> s/package/patch/
[11:06] <asac> use langcode@langpacks.enigmail.ubuntu.com
[11:06] <asac> e.g. de-DE@langpacks.enigmail.ubuntu.com
[11:07] <mertiki> asac : Do you think I should apply that on the whole package?
[11:07] <asac> yes
[11:07] <asac> i hate uuid em:ids
[11:07] <asac> its better to use something like above
[11:07] <mertiki> asac : yeah me too.. now
[11:08] <asac> mertiki: look at enigmail itself
[11:08] <asac> oh
[11:08] <asac> :=
[11:08] <asac> bad example
[11:08] <mertiki> hehe
[11:08] <asac> firefox-dom-inspector
[11:08] <asac> /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/inspector@mozilla.org/chrome
[11:09] <asac> cat /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/inspector@mozilla.org/install.rdf  | grep em:id <em:id>inspector@mozilla.org</em:id>
[11:09] <mertiki> yeah that can't lead to problems
[11:09] <Ubulette> http://www.flickr.com/photos/nobihaya/1386720470/in/set-72157602015150860
[11:10] <asac> mertiki: ok look at the mozilla-firefox-locale-all package
[11:10] <Ubulette> :)
[11:10] <asac> it does that alreawdy
[11:10] <mertiki> asac : I'll change this, did you found something else to fix in the enigmail-locale package?
[11:10] <asac> mertiki: e.g. /usr/lib/firefox/extensions/langpack-de@firefox.mozilla.org/install.rdf
[11:10] <asac> mertiki: and i think the patching is already done in debian/rules
[11:10] <mertiki> asac : and my actual lightning-extension-locales package too, I followed what already exist and I prefer this like that
[11:11] <asac> mertiki: i haven't looked at the enigmail locale package yet ... shame on me
[11:11] <asac> mertiki: well as i said, look at the mozilla-firefox-locale-all package
[11:11] <asac> i updated it today ... and though its  improvable it contains lot of things that worth a look
[11:11] <mertiki> asac : haha, it's not as important as lightning-extension but I think it would be great to finish this before Gutsy get stable
[11:12] <asac> mertiki: well its more important after all :)
[11:12] <asac> mertiki: enigmail is in main and should have latest locales
[11:12] <mertiki> it's not in universe???
[11:12] <asac> (oh it should be latest after all ... i have to update that i think)
[11:12] <asac> mertiki: no its in main
[11:12] <asac> because enigmail is in main ... together with thunderbird
[11:13] <mertiki> asac : Mmh, and it's possible to upload things to REVU that will finish on the main repository?
[11:13] <mertiki> asac : I though it was just for universe
[11:13] <asac> mertiki: its depends who sponsors it :)
[11:13] <asac> mertiki: so its not a problem :)
[11:13] <mertiki> asac : ok :P
[11:13] <asac> mertiki: maybe its misuse of REVU ... but i don't think it is
[11:14] <asac> its just much more used for universe packages
[11:14] <mertiki> asac : I don't think too, why don't use the ressources we have :)
[11:14] <asac> if people blame you about misusing REVU ... just blame me ;)
[11:14] <mertiki> asac : haha, no I won't ;)
[11:15] <mertiki> Ok I'll start working on all this if we want these packages ready for Gutsy
[11:15] <asac> so what about enigmail? is that a complete rewrite? or did you just updated what already exists?
[11:16] <mertiki> asac : If sometimes I say something that you don't understand, don't be shy to tell me so, I'm french so I'm sure that I make a lot of mistakes
[11:17] <mertiki> asac : enigmail-locales is just a update for what already exist
[11:17] <asac> mertiki: ok that is fine
[11:17] <asac> mertiki: don't shift too much before gutsy for locales
[11:17] <mertiki> asac : but I added language packs and removed some because of the new version
[11:17] <asac> mertiki: i would like to unify all of these for gutsy+1
[11:18] <mertiki> asac : You don't think that it will be ready for Gutsy?
[11:18] <asac> mertiki: what? the locales ... sure ... the unification of all mozilla related language packs ... probably not
[11:19] <asac> Ubulette: i still don't get a full diff for your branch :(
[11:19] <mertiki> asac : OK! What do you exactly mean by " the unification of mozilla related language packs " ?
[11:20] <Ubulette> asac, strange, me neither
[11:20] <Ubulette> I usually do
[11:20] <mertiki> asac : I forgot to mention, I fixed some issues with the script inside the enigmail package
[11:21] <asac> mertiki: i am not yet sure how to unifiy ... fact is: we have lots of locale packages. All use a different approach to build/update
[11:22] <asac> we should unify that ... however we first have to look at what all those packages do, so we can come up with a solutino that actually works for all :)
[11:22] <mertiki> asac : Ha! That's a good idea! If I can participate in that, let me know.
[11:23] <asac> which is why i think we should target that for gutsy+1 ... remember we are pretty late in release cycle ;)
[11:23] <mertiki> asac : Yes I don't think that I'll work on this before Gutsy gets stable :)
[11:23] <asac> Ubulette: i received full diffs as well at some point, but not anymore apparently
[11:23] <Ubulette> fixed
[11:24] <asac> ok great ... lets wait ;)
[11:42] <Ubulette> asac, what do you think about the comment i've made above regarding duplicated libs in xul ?
[11:43] <Ubulette> seems that now that we no longer strip, we have dupes
[11:43] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13032 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxpcom.so
[11:43] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15097748 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so
[11:43] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root    13032 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxpcom.so
[11:43] <Ubulette> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15097748 Aug 29 19:37 /usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so
[11:43] <Ubulette> so maybe the later ones could just be links
[11:44] <asac> Ubulette: those should be links
[11:44] <asac> Ubulette: as benjamin suggested
[11:44] <asac> e.g. just ship them in xulrunner-1.9 ... not in xulrunner-1.9-dev
[12:02] <Ubulette> asac, this is wrong. libxul.so is now 140M !
[12:03] <mertiki> asac : I new to do some little tests but I think that I already finished to apply the modifications to the lightning-extension script, so if you're there in the next minutes, I'll upload to REVU again
[12:03] <mertiki> I need to do*
[12:04] <Ubulette> asac, 2 days ago, it was 15M
[12:06] <Ubulette> hmm, maybe not
[12:09] <gnomefreak> i thought i was done fixing this POS for the night
[12:10] <asac> Ubulette: its the dbg symbol so
[12:11] <Ubulette> strange. in dist, libxul.so is huge
[12:11] <Ubulette> but my bot logs show:
[12:12] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root  15670456 2007-09-18 18:02 ./usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so
[12:12] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root 124630422 2007-09-18 18:01 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9a8pre/libxul.so
[12:12] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root  15670456 2007-09-18 18:03 ./usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.so
[12:12] <Ubulette>           -rw-r--r-- root/root 124630422 2007-09-18 18:02 ./usr/lib/debug/usr/lib/xulrunner-devel-1.9a8pre/sdk/lib/libxul.sou
[12:12] <Ubulette> which seems ok
[12:13] <Ubulette> lrwxrwxrwx 1 bbot bbot 34 Sep 17 22:38 dist/sdk/lib/libxul.so -> ../../../toolkit/library/libxul.so
[12:13] <Ubulette> -rwxr-xr-x 1 bbot bbot 140008579 Sep 17 22:38 toolkit/library/libxul.so
[12:14] <Ubulette> 140M...
[12:15] <Ubulette> oh, that's without dbgsym
[12:16] <Ubulette> gnomefreak.. look what my bot got a few hours ago:
[12:16] <Ubulette> Err http://archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main dpkg 1.14.5ubuntu13
[12:16] <Ubulette>   403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.8 80] 
[12:16] <Ubulette> Failed to fetch http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/d/dpkg/dpkg_1.14.5ubuntu13_i386.deb  403 Forbidden [IP: 91.189.89.8 80] 
[12:16] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: thats because its a bot not a human :)
[12:16] <gnomefreak> if i had a place to post it i would but i lost my site for some reason
[12:17] <gnomefreak> Ubulette: you want ubuntu14 anyway
[12:17] <gnomefreak> not 13
[12:17] <Ubulette> post the deb? I dont need it. bot is resilient to that kind of error :)
[12:17] <gnomefreak> ah ok
[12:24] <mertiki> asac : the addNewXPI.sh script of lightning-extension-locales has been updated and the last package upload in REVU is here : http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=264
[12:24] <asac> thanks
[12:24] <mertiki> you're welcome :)
[12:24] <mertiki> thanks also for your help
[12:27] <asac> mertiki: what makes me wonder a bit is that the script is so huge ;)
[12:28] <mertiki> asac : hehe, yes you're right. There's a lot of autogenerated entries from that script and a LOT of job that we don't have to do by hand, but I think that I can improve it in the future
[12:29] <asac> mertiki: is there an option to run with all 'yes' ?
[12:29] <mertiki> yes, it's -n
[12:30] <mertiki> but if you want to update ALL the languages, you can uses addAllNewXPI.sh which will do it for you anyway
[12:30] <asac> is that new?
[12:30] <asac> maybe i haven't tried  All
[12:30] <mertiki> asac : no, it's here since the beginning
[12:31] <asac> mertiki: maybe AddNewXPI.sh should be renamed?
[12:31] <mertiki> asac : just do ./addAllNewXPI.sh after removing everything in the res-files folder and erased all entries into the debian/control files and it will do everything
[12:31] <asac> isn't its use-case to convert jars to xpis?
[12:32] <asac> e.g. jar_to_xpi.sh ?
[12:32] <mertiki> asac : I'm not sure, I asked myself too about that, but I think that XPI is the good name because it creates XPI files from the Jar file
[12:33] <asac> yeah ;) ... see how that matches the name
[12:33] <asac> i gave
[12:33] <asac> AddNewXPI.sh doesn't really read like: "creates XPI files from the Jar file" ;)
[12:33] <mertiki> asac : haha, yeah we can rename it that way !
[12:34] <mertiki> jar_to_xpi.sh and all_jar_to_xpi.sh
[12:34] <asac> ok my vision is this:
[12:35] <asac> short term vision of course ;)
[12:35] <mertiki> asac : Yeah, we don't have choice today :)
[12:35] <asac> jar-to_xpi.sh will create an xpi from a jar
[12:35] <asac> in addition it will create one meta file next to it
[12:35] <asac> (or more meta files if needed)
[12:35] <asac> e.g. just create de-DE.xpi
[12:35] <asac> +
[12:36] <asac> de-DE.xpi.control
[12:36] <asac> de-DE.xpi.README
[12:36] <asac> et al
[12:36] <asac> ok so this jar_to_xpi.sh doesn't know anything about packaging ... it just does what its ment to do
[12:36] <asac> nothing implicitly happens
[12:36] <asac> you only get what you ask for
[12:37] <mertiki> this would be a VERY good idea
[12:37] <asac> then you create another script which is called ... regen-package.sh
[12:37] <asac> that one just runs the jar_to_xpi.sh things
[12:37] <asac> and then processes the results ... e.g. concatenating control file
[12:38] <asac> from the output
[12:38] <asac> in addition regen-package.sh should use templates instead of assuming that you should delete everything but the first entry from control
[12:38] <asac> so thats not needed to know
[12:38] <asac> you can just blindly run it and the result will always be correct
[12:38] <mertiki> yeah yeah, I can see it that way too
[12:38] <asac> regen-package.sh just overwrites control from scratch
[12:39] <mertiki> It would be so perfect
[12:39] <asac> its better ... but not perfect ;)
[12:39] <asac> schould be pretty simple to do
[12:39] <asac> based on your script
[12:40] <mertiki> One thing : Your idea just covers adding Jar files one by one, what if we want all Jar? Maybe a section in the jar-to-xpi.sh which will starts only with a argument?
[12:40] <asac> cat << EOF >> ../control
[12:40] <asac> >>
[12:41] <asac> mertiki: jar-to-xpi.sh will just deal with one jar
[12:41] <asac> the regen-package.sh
[12:41] <asac> orchestrates all this
[12:41] <mertiki> Ok
[12:41] <asac> if its really much code to do all-jar-to-xpi.sh ... then add a script for that
[12:41] <asac> but i think its not worth it as its essentially just a loop over all locales
[12:42] <mertiki> No no, your idea is great, I think about this..
[12:43] <mertiki> Yeah, very efficient
[12:44] <asac> where do you generate the install.rdf?
[12:45] <asac> ah ok they are in res-files
[12:45] <mertiki> asac : I'll be happy to work on that idea and I think that it's a very good idea, but I must admit that I can't be sure that I'll be able to do this quickly because I'm new to all this
[12:45] <mertiki> asac : yes
[12:46] <asac> mertiki: i think its just:
[12:46] <asac> 1. rename script
[12:46] <mertiki> asac : if you consider that the package must be ready in a very short time, I will maybe fail to finish the script at time
[12:46] <asac> 2. replace cat << EOF >> ../control with cat << EOF >> ../${JAR}.control
[12:46] <Ubulette> asac, got a patch this time ?
[12:47] <asac> let me see
[12:47] <asac> yes ;)
[12:47] <asac> Ubulette: why patch the packager.mk?
[12:47] <asac> i understood benjamins comment that we should do that when packaging up
[12:48] <asac> e.g. in debhelper files
[12:48] <Ubulette> seems better to fix the sdk
[12:48] <mertiki> asac : my ears are all open to the step #3, when you're ready :)
[12:49] <asac> Ubulette: so is there a bug ?
[12:49] <asac> mertiki: yeah wait a sec ;)
[12:49] <asac> mertiki:
[12:50] <Ubulette> asac, depends. for me, a dupe is a bug. maybe not for moz guys
[12:50] <asac> 3. put the control source information (e.g. what you currently delete) in a res-files/ file as well
[12:50] <Ubulette> they do plenty of symlinks already
[12:50] <asac> i saw that
[12:51] <asac> 4. write a simple regen-package.sh ... its just what AddAll doesn now +
[12:52] <asac> a. in the beginning copy the res-files/control header to debian/control
[12:53] <asac> b. run jar_to_xpi.sh for all locales (like now)
[12:53] <asac> c. append all $LOCALE.control files to debian/control
[12:53] <asac> i think that would be it
[12:53] <asac> to start with
[12:54] <mertiki> asac : I think that there's some little other details, but I'm ready to do this and I will and give you the result this evening or tomorrow
[12:55] <asac> cool ... this evening is already late night here ;) so tomorrow i guess
[12:55] <mertiki> asac : Hehe, yes :)
[12:55] <mertiki> asac : I must go now, I give you news about this
[12:56] <mertiki> asac : thanks for this clear roadmap
[12:57] <mertiki> it's pretty useful for someone who hasn't a lot of experience yet
[12:59] <asac> mertiki: your welcome.
[01:00] <Ubulette> waa.. I pressed "1" in a form in ff-trunk, X crashed
[01:01] <asac> so you use chatzilla? because you went offline ;)
[01:01] <asac> ah X crashed ;) ... didn't read that
[01:01] <asac> i have it in a screen ... if i am offline its either connectivity or a desaster ;)
[01:02] <asac> Ubulette: as a good firefox trunk user you should always run with firefox -g
[01:02] <asac> or is there a core available now?
[01:04] <Ubulette> Xgl crashed
[01:05] <asac> oh xgl
[01:05] <asac> that doesn't count ;)
[01:05] <asac> do you use desktop effects?
[01:05] <Ubulette> _usr_bin_Xgl.1000.crash
[01:05] <Ubulette> no
[01:05] <asac> does that crash have a recent timestamp?
[01:06] <asac> does it match this incident?
[01:06] <Ubulette> yes
[01:07] <Ubulette> previous crach file is 3 days old
[01:07] <Ubulette> _usr_lib_totem_totem-plugin-viewer.1000.crash
[01:07] <asac> why do you use that?
[01:07] <asac> i mean xgl
[01:07] <Ubulette> it's default in gutsy since a few days
[01:07] <asac> really?
[01:07] <asac> oh
[01:08] <Ubulette> indeed
[01:08] <asac> i don't have it installed
[01:08] <asac> its not even in main atm
[01:08] <asac> Filename: pool/universe/x/xserver-xgl/xserver-xgl_1.1.99.1~git20070727-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[01:09] <asac> maybe you are again ahead of time ;)
[01:11] <asac> Ubulette: ok we should really upload xulrunner tomorrow
[01:11] <asac> and firefox-gp
[01:11] <asac> time is running low
[01:11] <asac> fri we end up in beta freeze
[01:11] <asac> for a week
[01:11] <asac> then its beta and i want that in before beta
[01:11] <asac> but actually i have to sort through whatelese i want in beta
[01:12] <asac> i think i have to do 6 uploads or so tomorrow already ;)
[01:13] <Ubulette> can't xul enter as it is now ?
[01:14] <asac> no ...we have to at least do the rename (if we want a rename) and fork of the release branch so we can flip to system-nss/nspr
[01:14] <asac> that needs at least testing
[01:14] <asac> any new issues with ffox?
[01:15] <asac> new - dues to system-nss/nspr