[12:52] <joebob777as7> in edubuntu... i thought it was in /etc/pam.d/common-password but it says min=4 and i still can't create a password that is 5 chars... it says it needs 6?
[12:57] <JordanC> Hmm
[01:32] <moquist> Ugh. My Windows have no borders in this new gutsy system (via dist-upgrade from feisty). I'm going back to ion2.
[01:32] <moquist> I campitalized "windows". What's wrong with me? :p
[01:35] <joebob777as7> moquist, if you want compiz go to #compiz-fusion and type !windowdecorations if you just want your borders back open a terminal (console) and type metacity --replace
[01:50] <moquist> joebob777as7: I'll remember that, but I'll just stick with ion2 for now. Using gnome was going to be a sacrifice, anyway. :)
[01:50] <moquist> joebob777as7: and thx
[02:09] <sbalneav> Arrrgh!
[02:10] <moquist> sbalneav: yeah, tell me about it. :(
[02:10] <sbalneav> WHAT HAPPENED TO GNOME TERMINAL!?!?!
[02:11] <sbalneav> Wow I've seen a lot of messed up breakage in my day
[02:11] <sbalneav> but this is crackalicious
[02:12] <moquist> I just installed feisty-server, upgraded to gutsy, and apt-get install ubuntu-desktop. My windows had no borders.
[02:12] <moquist> sbalneav: I sympathize.
[02:12] <sbalneav> Gnome terminal launches with fonts
[02:12] <sbalneav> 1 pixel high
[02:12] <sbalneav> 1 pixel wide.
[02:12] <moquist> wheeee!</tiny voice>
[02:13] <sbalneav> I mean, I'm all in favour of being able to get more terminals on the scren
[02:13] <sbalneav> but this is rediculous :)
[02:42] <sbalneav> Gonna try a reboot
[02:42] <sbalneav> back in a seconds
[02:44] <sbalneav> Thank heavens
[02:44] <sbalneav> that was terrifying
[02:53] <cliebow> heh!!\
[02:59] <sbalneav> A hacker without a terminal is like, err, Sonny without Cher.
[02:59] <sbalneav> Like a dog without a bone.
[02:59] <sbalneav> Like Stan without Oliver
[03:00] <sbalneav> YOU KIHN TAKE MAH GUN, BUT YOU'LL HAVE TO TAKE MAH TERMIN'L FROM MAH COL', DEAD HANDS!!!
[03:00] <sbalneav> or, something like that.
[03:03] <jsgotangco> I'M IN YUR TRMINAL, HACKIN YUR SISTEM
[03:03] <jsgotangco> heh
[03:06] <LaserJock> ogra: cjwatson says he'll take a patch
[03:12] <sbalneav> I'll take a beer.
[03:45] <joebob777as7> sbalneav, did you find the fix?
[03:45] <joebob777as7> if not i'll link you if you want
[03:49] <joebob777as7> I have two different versions of wine installed so i can use apps for all future created users... it looks like /home/wine and i want to create a launcher for "/home/wine /home/wine/ie.exe" how do i add that shortcut to my desktop?
[03:54] <kgoetz> joebob777as7: right click -> create launcher
[03:56] <joebob777as7> kgoetz, i did that but i can't type where the location is of the file if i do that because it won't except a directory at the beginning of the launcher...
[03:57] <kgoetz> joebob777as7: i the command bit, you want /path/to/wine/binary /path/to/app/you/want
[03:57] <kgoetz> iirc
[04:04] <yotux> how do i install software on the main system?
[04:05] <yotux> I ssh to the main system and /etc/apt/sources.list only has the cdrom in it
[04:07] <sbalneav> yotux: you're wanting to install from the internet?
[04:07] <yotux> yes
[04:07] <yotux> I want to add nvidia-glx to /opt/ltsp/i386
[04:07] <sbalneav> ah.
[04:08] <sbalneav> You didn't say in the chroot.  Thought you meant the main box.
[04:08] <sbalneav> Simplest is:
[04:08] <yotux> yes sorry
[04:08] <yotux> at the moment I have ssh into the server
[04:08] <sbalneav> cp /etc/apt/sources.list /opt/ltsp/i386/etc/apt/sources.list
[04:08] <sbalneav> chroot /opt/ltsp/i386
[04:08] <yotux> chroot . /bin/bash
[04:08] <sbalneav> apt-get update
[04:08] <yotux> ok
[04:09] <sbalneav> then install as you like.
[04:09] <sbalneav> might want to mount /proc as well in the chroot
[04:09] <sbalneav> do a  /mount -t proc proc /proc
[04:09] <sbalneav> remember to umount it before you exit the chroot.
[04:11] <yotux> I get a kernel error
[04:11] <yotux> I have installed nvidia-glx with normal ubuntu and ltsp
[04:12] <yotux> Depends: linux-restricted-modules-common but it is not going to be installed
[04:12] <yotux> anyone have any ideas?
[04:18] <joebob777as7> kgoetz, I made a launcher that says /home/wine/wine "/home/.wine/Internet\ Explorer/IEXPLORER.EXE" and when i use it nothing happens...
[04:18] <joebob777as7> but i can type in /home/wine/wine /home/.wine/Internet\ Explorer/IEXPLORER.EXE and it works fine
[04:18] <sbalneav> so, do an apt-get install nvidia-glx linux-restricted-modules-common
[04:26] <joebob777as7> sbalneav, just a heads up that for whatever reason two installs in a row lts.conf isn't being installed in /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386.conf or the amd64 dir
[04:26] <sbalneav> By default, it won't be.
[04:27] <sbalneav> Most things autoconfigure nicely
[04:27] <sbalneav> so by default, we just let the defaults work :)
[04:28] <joebob777as7> oh ok... confusing
[04:32] <joebob777as7> sbalneav, why is it assigning my client the amd64 image when in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf i tell it to take image from i386 dir? http://pastebin.ca/702795
[04:33] <joebob777as7> in the daemon.log it says that it assigned file is /opt/ltsp/images/amd64.img
[04:36] <sbalneav> It doesn't actually do that from the dhcpd for nbd
[04:37] <sbalneav> I think you have to use kernel command line options, in the pxe config dir
[04:37] <sbalneav> hold on....
[04:38] <joebob777as7> oh is that the /etc/inetd.conf? there is always a build problem with that when adding more than one architecture...
[04:38] <sbalneav> Right.  What problem?
[04:39] <sbalneav> set nbdroot=hostip:port
[04:39] <sbalneav> on the kernel command line.
[04:40] <joebob777as7> the console will hang half the time and it says that the port is already in use if it does finish... i just forgot to go remove the port line and rebuild image... so it will do it right...
[04:41] <sbalneav> Shouldn't need to do that.  Could you file a bug, please?  That way we can get it fixed for gutsy.
[04:43] <joebob777as7> what do i say for package name? this time i went in and changed inetd.conf from amd64.img to i386.img and it didn't work it still passes the amd64.img to it. I gues i have to remove that entire line and rebuild client image...
[04:45] <sbalneav> ltsp-server
[04:45] <joebob777as7> also after i install updates on the server should i rebuild the image?
[04:46] <sbalneav> Only if you install updates in the chroot
[05:24] <LaserJock> sbalneav: you here?
[05:28] <joebob777as7> sbalneav, if i want to install a bunch of fonts for my clients how would i do that?
[05:30] <joebob777as7> do i just chroot /opt/ltsp/i386 then install like normal?
[05:30] <joebob777as7> and rebuild image?
[05:32] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Hey
[05:32] <sbalneav> joebob777as7: yes
[05:36] <joebob777as7> ok cool thanks
[05:37] <joebob777as7> sbalneav, just posted to bug 138204 looks like this is supposed to be fixed? or is what I posted a seperate issue?
[05:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 138204 in ltsp "ltsp-build-client and ltsp-update-image fails if inetd.conf is not cleared" [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/138204
[10:35] <RichEd> evening small 'roo icon
[11:07] <`6og> RichEd, hi :)
[01:40] <RichEd> hi ogra ... connection problems ?
[01:40] <ogra> nope
[01:40] <ogra> upgrade
[01:47] <RichEd> [01:47] <`6og> eek. how long will it be for?
[01:51] <RichEd> `6og: prolly around an hour ... i have a phone call at 3:00 from russia
[01:52] <`6og> i can come for some of the meeting. i may have to bail. we'll see
[01:56] <RichEd> [02:02] <RichEd> [03:14] <bddebian> Heya
[03:25] <`6og> bddebian, hi
[03:50] <sbalneav> Morning all
[03:50] <RichEd> hi sbalneav
[03:56] <sbalneav> ogra: Hey, made a patch last night to configure-x.sh
[03:56] <sbalneav> If the autoconfig fails, it spits a message to the log now, and I've added X_OPTION handling.
[03:58] <sbalneav> RichEd: Sorry I missed the meeting.  I miss anything exciting?
[03:58] <RichEd> not too much :)
[04:16] <ArmedKing> Hey guys, I'm a Ubuntu user trying to find a distro for my kids. Does Edubuntu come with parental control fuctionality ie. porn blocker?
[04:17] <sbalneav> It doesn't ship with one, but dansguardian is an installable package.
[04:19] <ArmedKing> sbalneav: Oke tnx a lot i'll give it a go then. Cause i dont want my 9 year old browsing that stuff haha. Sinds i cant allways be around the computer
[04:27] <sbalneav> Hey ogra!
[04:27] <sbalneav> You in or out? :)
[04:27] <ogra> yo
[04:27] <ogra> fighting with nm or my usb wlan driver
[04:27] <sbalneav> Hey, made some patches to configure-x.sh last night.
[04:27] <ogra> not sure which one misbehaves here
[04:27] <ogra> saw that
[04:27] <sbalneav> added a syslog event if the autoconfigure fails
[04:27] <ogra> what about -docs ?
[04:27] <sbalneav> and the X_OPTION stuff
[04:27] <ogra> i thought laser wanted to upload
[04:27] <sbalneav> Ah, right.
[04:28] <sbalneav> What do we want to say for that?
[04:28] <ogra> X_EXTRA_OPTION ?
[04:28] <ogra> X_DRIVER_OPTION ?
[04:28] <sbalneav> X_OPTION_01
[04:28] <ogra> X_DRIVER_EXTRA ?
[04:28] <sbalneav> X_OPTION_02
[04:28] <ogra> yeah, sounds ok
[04:28] <sbalneav> etc.
[04:28] <sbalneav> You wanted something else in the docs though...
[04:29] <ogra> only a fix of the server sizing doc
[04:29] <sbalneav> ok, what would you like in there?
[04:29] <ogra> shold say "128M per running session"
[04:30] <sbalneav> I should check and see
[04:30] <ogra> 256 + (60 * users) MB
[04:30] <sbalneav> if they've branched off from main yet.
[04:30] <ogra> thats what it says atm
[04:30] <sbalneav> ok, I'll fix
[04:30] <ogra> # The Edubuntu Handbook
[04:30] <ogra> # Edubuntu Server and Thin Client Computing
[04:30] <ogra> # Hardware Requirements
[04:30] <ogra> is the section
[04:30] <sbalneav> LaserJock: you around?
[04:31] <sbalneav> I'll make it in upstream, worst I'll just have to re-fix in the branch
[04:41] <sbalneav> Ok, pushing changes now.
[04:42] <sbalneav> done.
[05:12] <sbalneav> ogra: Does the configure-x.sh patch seem worthwhile to you?
[05:12] <ogra> sure
[05:14] <ogra> i need an upload anyway for meas-dri and the change of the mkelf/mknbi deps
[05:15] <sbalneav> What panned out for the mesa-dri?  We have enough room?
[05:15] <ogra> no, but we'll have to make it
[05:16] <ogra> it needs to be there for edubuntu-desktop
[05:16] <ogra> we cant just ignore an ubuntu feature
[05:16] <sbalneav> What would we drop?
[05:16] <ogra> and edubuntu must not block technology in ltsp either
[05:17] <ogra> lets wait for ubuntu to start dropping things and then see how much we have left in oversizedness
[05:17] <ogra> i just heard that there might be some changes in font stuff that might free up stuff
[05:17] <ogra> i will also drop about 10M (uncompressed) icons from edubuntu-artwork
[05:18] <ogra> not sure how much thats compressed though, but should be some extra MB
[05:18] <sbalneav> ok, cool.
[06:11] <shriphani> does edubuntu do an express cd shipping ?
[06:12] <ogra> no
[06:12] <shriphani> I have only 1 and it doesn't work on this lappy of mine...
[06:13] <shriphani> i have 5 6.06 cds... shouldn't conduct a presentation with that...... I'll ask the cyber cafe to download an image for me.
[06:15] <ogra> get 7.04 then
[06:18] <shriphani> a school called back and said they are not interested.......
[06:18] <shriphani> another hasn't bothered to reply......
[06:19] <shriphani> problem is that the more forward thinking schools here already are involved in a love affair with microsoft, the others hesitate to let kids lay hands on boxes......
[06:37] <LaserJock> sbalneav: am now
[06:38] <ogra_> LaserJock, what were the plans for -docs ?
[06:38] <LaserJock> just gotta get them uploaded
[06:38] <ogra_> sbalneav has one fix
[06:38] <LaserJock> ogra_: btw, I made a patch for debian-cd for icon and colin has applied it ;-)
[06:38] <ogra_> coool
[06:39] <LaserJock> so, I think I'm one upload of edubuntu-addon-meta away from having the spec done
[06:40] <ogra_> pitti said if the edu team takes security responsibility he's fine wit moodle btw
[06:40] <LaserJock> ok
[06:41] <LaserJock> are we up for that? :-)
[06:41] <ogra_> sure
[06:41] <ogra_> he just needs to approve
[06:42] <ogra_> and then i need space
[06:42] <ogra_> lots of space i dont know where to take it from
[06:42] <ogra_> openoffice with a fix was uploaded today
[06:42] <ogra_> that should drop ~12M from the CD
[06:42] <LaserJock> good
[06:42] <LaserJock> moodle is quite large
[06:42] <ogra_> i added mesa-dri though
[06:43] <LaserJock> are you wanting to put moodle on the Addon Cd or the 1st CD?
[06:43] <ogra_> so we have compiz by default now but 16M more to ct off
[06:43] <ogra_> 1st
[06:43] <ogra_> i want it as dep of edubuntu-server
[06:43] <LaserJock> ok, well, I then what about shifting the remaining edu stuff to the Addon CD?
[06:43] <LaserJock> s/I//
[06:43] <ogra_> which ?
[06:44] <ogra_> we dont have much left :)
[06:45] <ogra_> apparently the new font guy we have has some good ideas that might shove off 16M :)
[06:46] <LaserJock> atomix, gpaint, denemo, xaos, kino, scribus, and dia-gnome are all additional right?
[06:46] <ogra_> yep
[06:46] <LaserJock> they are in the desktop seed
[06:46] <LaserJock> could those be shifted?
[06:46] <ogra_> well, i doubt they make more than 2m
[06:46] <LaserJock> and would it make much of a difference/
[06:46] <LaserJock> ok, yeah, I wondered
[06:46] <ogra_> scribus pulls in QT though
[06:47] <ogra_> but with adding italc in hardy we need qt anyway on the first CD
[06:47] <LaserJock> we need a list of packages, sorted by size :-)
[06:47] <ogra_> i have a small script i use to get size
[06:48] <ogra_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/37929/
[06:48] <ogra_> just give it a list of packages
[06:48] <ogra_> for detailed stuff and deps you need germinate indeed
[06:50] <LaserJock> oh, turns out my USB stick is only 1GB :(
[06:50] <ogra_> gah
[06:50] <ogra_> a 2G one costs only 15-20
[06:51] <LaserJock> yeah, I'm gonna have to pick one up
[06:51] <LaserJock> the CMPC is a good excuse ;-)
[07:45] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Sorry, was out for a bit.  I made a patch to the docs, but i made it to the "upstream" branch.  Have we branched off for gutsy yet?
[07:45] <sbalneav> or is a sync possible
[07:45] <sbalneav> Help me Laser-wan Kenobi, you're my only hope.
[07:53] <LaserJock> sbalneav: I haven't heard anything about branching
[07:53] <LaserJock> yet
[07:54] <LaserJock> sbalneav: so you're reasonably happy with the handbook?
[08:01] <sbalneav> LaserJock: Yep
[08:01] <sbalneav> Happy happy
[08:01] <sbalneav> You happy?
[08:04] <ogra> RichEd, meh, i have no 1600x1200 version of the final wallpaper from jill
[08:04] <ogra> biggest i got is 1024x768 grmbl
[09:00] <yotux> how do I enable thin clients to be able to use usb locally a t their workstation
[09:09] <sbalneav> yotux: It should be enabled by default
[10:17] <L1oX> jaja no pense que hubiera tanta gente
[10:17] <L1oX> kik
[10:17] <L1oX> No hay gente de slp (H)
[10:17] <L1oX> lol
[10:19] <L1oX> xD
[10:19] <L1oX> jajajajaj
[10:39] <yotux> how can I allow thin clients to usb USB devices
[10:40] <LaserJock> yotux: what version of Edubuntu are you using?
[10:40] <yotux> fiesty
[10:40] <yotux> 7.04
[10:47] <stgraber> what do you mean by USB devices ?
[10:48] <stgraber> For mass storage you can read : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EnableLTSP5LocalDevices
[10:50] <sbalneav> yotux: As I said before, it's enabled by default.
[10:50] <sbalneav> Is it not working for you?
[10:50] <L1oX> chanel it's english xD
[10:50] <L1oX> lol..!
[11:25] <sbalneav> Headin' home.  Be on tonight.