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| coreymon77 | does anyone have a clue how to use netatalk (appletalk for linux( | 12:51 |
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| coreymon77 | ) | 12:51 |
| Riddell | mhb: did you upload your SoC code to google? | 01:38 |
| Riddell | coreymon77: people still use appletalk? | 01:38 |
| Riddell | coreymon77: it's just a daemon as far as I remember, you need macs to be clients (and I don't know if even mac OS still does appletalk) | 01:38 |
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| coreymon77 | Riddell: you are wrong with both | 01:56 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: appletalk is still used | 01:56 |
| nixternal | rarely, but yes | 01:56 |
| coreymon77 | Riddell: and kubuntu can do it too | 01:56 |
| stdin | http://netatalk.sourceforge.net/2.0/htmldocs/index.html maybe? | 01:56 |
| coreymon77 | i took a look there | 01:56 |
| coreymon77 | but its all gibberish to me | 01:56 |
| nixternal | all of the newer gen macs are just straight up tcp/ip...actually been that way for quite a few years now | 01:56 |
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| coreymon77 | they are | 02:00 |
| coreymon77 | well then what is my brand new macbook doing using appletalk? | 02:00 |
| Riddell | that's a good question, what does it use it for? | 02:01 |
| coreymon77 | some file transfers | 02:02 |
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| nixternal | well that is silly | 02:02 |
| nixternal | AppleTalk is a proprietary suite of protocols developed by Apple Inc for computer networking. It was included in the original Macintosh (1984) and is now deprecated by Apple in favor of TCP/IP networking. | 02:02 |
| Riddell | err, yes, there's bonjour and webdav and smb for that these days | 02:03 |
| nixternal | it has been deprecated for over 5 years almost now | 02:03 |
| stdin | I'm sure they still implement it, but I doubt by default | 02:03 |
| nixternal | it isn't anywhere on the iMac I have here | 02:03 |
| nixternal | how can I access it coreymon77? I am a mactard | 02:03 |
| nixternal | this isn't even my mac | 02:03 |
| nixternal | $> locate appletalk | 02:04 |
| nixternal | $> | 02:04 |
| nixternal | nadda | 02:04 |
| nixternal | I asked my buddy if I could borrow an iMac to see what all of te hype is with OS X...and so far...I am confused as all hell | 02:05 |
| nixternal | I keep thinking I have closed/quit an app, but nooooooo, it just hides itself | 02:05 |
| nixternal | ooh, biggest loser is on tv...back in a few | 02:05 |
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| uga | guys, after spending some time googling, trying both feisty and gutsy live CDs with no luck to boot properly, I found the solution for my prob... | 02:12 |
| uga | it's an asus board, p5k SE, with an Intel core2 quad, sata disk and DVD connected to IDE | 02:12 |
| uga | the CD will start booting, but the process will stop later, complaining about not being able to access tty | 02:12 |
| uga | the problem seems that, just like tons of other live CDs, they don't find the DVD drive | 02:13 |
| uga | I found the solution on some google forum. It prompts for a error msg, but after that it keeps reading the DVD just fine and starts up | 02:13 |
| uga | just added generic.generic_ide_all=1 to the boot menu, iirc | 02:14 |
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| uga | anyone knows what's it all about. Sorry for the lack of punctuation in my typing... my kb layout is seriously broken | 02:15 |
| uga | I think it'd be quite interesting if the possible fix made it into the next live CDs... | 02:16 |
| uga | anyway, if you want testing or information, you'll get me around at #kubuntu possibly, or privmsg me. I'm installing and rebooting soon so I'll part | 02:28 |
| uga | else have fun. It's not my issue anymore ,) | 02:29 |
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| seele | for those of you who lurk in #kubuntu.. what would you say is the most frequent problem/asked question? | 02:43 |
| Jucato | codecs :) | 02:43 |
| Jucato | and video card drivers | 02:43 |
| seele | ah, figures | 02:44 |
| Jucato | there might be others. I don't do 24-hour shifts in there. stdin? :) | 02:45 |
| stdin | codecs, ntfs and wifi (in that order) | 02:45 |
| seele | stdin: ntfs as in sharing an ntfs partition? | 02:46 |
| seele | i didn't know wifi was still a major problem. is it managing connections or getting drivers to work? | 02:46 |
| stdin | as in "oh me, oh my, why can't I write to my windows partition!!!11?" :[ | 02:47 |
| seele | lol | 02:47 |
| Jucato | hahah | 02:47 |
| stdin | wifi is probably the 2nd most frequent issue, especially when for some reason they just can't get a wired connection either | 02:48 |
| stdin | but my #1 factoid is !mp3 | 02:49 |
| Jucato | my #2 would be ati/nvidia.. I rarely get/field the ntfs and wireless questions... | 02:49 |
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| Jucato | oh compiz/beryl would be 4th or 5th I think... | 02:50 |
| stdin | I've seen 3 in the last couple hours | 02:50 |
| Jucato | like I said, I don't do 24-hour shifts :) | 02:51 |
| stdin | actually, RE the driver page, the question normally is "Where is "System Administration Restricted Devices Manager" " | 02:51 |
| stdin | even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" | 02:51 |
| Jucato | which of course wouldn't exist in KDE/Kubuntu | 02:51 |
| stdin | and I know it's there, I put it there :p | 02:51 |
| Jucato | seele: oh btw, how's the HIG coming along? | 02:52 |
| stdin | but that's the state of the whole help.u.c and wiki.u.c, all gnomeified | 02:52 |
| Jucato | <stdin> even tho just above it is "Note: If you are using Kubuntu, please follow the instructions for Ubuntu 6.10" <--- follow instructions for Ubuntu? | 02:52 |
| seele | i dunno.. i havent touched it since June to finish my graduate thesis | 02:52 |
| Jucato | and how's your thesis coming along? :) | 02:52 |
| stdin | Jucato: there are no "Kubuntu" instructions, just "Ubuntu 6.10" | 02:52 |
| Jucato | it's the Wordpress help thing right? | 02:52 |
| Jucato | oh... | 02:53 |
| seele | it's "finished".. hopefully i'm turning it in this week if my advisor ever gets back to me on a meeting | 02:53 |
| Jucato | yay! \o/\o/ | 02:53 |
| seele | no, the wordpress thing was google summer of code | 02:53 |
| seele | my thesis is more information architecture related.. | 02:53 |
| Jucato | ah ok.. haha mixed them up. sorry :) | 02:53 |
| seele | i developed a new protocol for a common data gathering protocol and verified it through experimentation | 02:53 |
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| seele | standard academic bull--- | 02:53 |
| Jucato | lol | 02:54 |
| Jucato | moin Hobbsee! how was sleep? :) | 02:54 |
| Hobbsee | hiya Jucato | 02:56 |
| Hobbsee | Jucato: not long enough :P | 02:56 |
| Jucato | hehe I thought so :) | 02:57 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: ping | 05:04 |
| Hobbsee | allee: ^ | 05:04 |
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| nixternal | howdy Hobbsee | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | hi nixternal | 05:09 |
| Jucato | howdy nixternal | 05:09 |
| Jucato | howdy Hobbsee | 05:09 |
| nixternal | wasabi Jucato | 05:09 |
| Jucato | for you cat and mac lovers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9YNhs-RSs4 | 05:09 |
| Jucato | hahah | 05:09 |
| Jucato | hm... suddenly I have a craving for sushi... | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | hi Jucato | 05:09 |
| nixternal | it is a warm one here in chicago tonight | 05:15 |
| Jucato | opposite here | 05:15 |
| === daSkreech waves at people | ||
| nixternal | my favorite time of the year is coming...pretty much the best thing about the US...is the fall | 05:17 |
| === nixternal waves back | ||
| daSkreech | The fall of the US ? | 05:17 |
| nixternal | daSkreech: it is happening slowly | 05:18 |
| nixternal | :) | 05:18 |
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| Hobbsee | Lure: recurring ping @ https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libgphoto2/+bug/139563 | 06:24 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 139563 in libgphoto2 "Wish: libgphoto2 2.4.0 for Gusty: Testers needed" [Wishlist,Confirmed] | 06:24 |
| Hobbsee | ( as in, please pong me about this when i get back) | 06:24 |
| daSkreech | Lunch? | 06:28 |
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| Hobbsee | work | 06:29 |
| Hobbsee | hmm. i should find lunch though. | 06:29 |
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| n8k99 | bah nixternal and his math problems page! | 06:58 |
| daSkreech | http://projecteuler.net ? | 07:03 |
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| n8k99 | daSkreech: yeah that's the one | 07:05 |
| n8k99 | trying to make a sieve of eratothenes in python | 07:07 |
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| nixternal | :) | 07:16 |
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| mhb | Riddell: of course | 08:33 |
| === Jucato wonders what that was replying to :) | ||
| Jucato | you are a lot like daSkreech, it seems... :) | 08:34 |
| daSkreech | am not! | 08:34 |
| Jucato | :P | 08:34 |
| daSkreech | Alright forget this | 08:35 |
| daSkreech | Clamav has been scanning for 5 hours | 08:35 |
| Jucato | go to sleep! | 08:35 |
| daSkreech | Sleeeeeeeeeeeeep | 08:36 |
| === daSkreech gives Jucato http://shingakunet.com/special/10054301/0285/index.html | ||
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| === \sh is now known as \sh_away | ||
| === \sh_away is now known as \sh | ||
| Jucato | lol | 08:38 |
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| daSkreech | Jucato: the order you put them on affects how they grow | 08:40 |
| daSkreech | Night :) | 08:40 |
| Jucato | yeah heheh | 08:40 |
| Jucato | good night! :) | 08:40 |
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| _StefanS_ | mornings! | 09:30 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_!!! | 09:30 |
| _StefanS_ | hey you're up ! | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | :D | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | isn't it late ? | 09:31 |
| Jucato | your psychic powers were wrong yesterday btw :) | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | :) | 09:31 |
| Jucato | late in the afternoon? yes | 09:31 |
| _StefanS_ | wasnt sure about the time difference, its 09.31 in the morning here | 09:31 |
| Jucato | 6 hours | 09:32 |
| _StefanS_ | ah ok, thats not much | 09:32 |
| Jucato | exactly 6 hours :) | 09:32 |
| Jucato | just hit 15:32 heheh | 09:32 |
| _StefanS_ | then I would get off work :) | 09:32 |
| Jucato | heheh | 09:33 |
| Jucato | see you later then? :) | 09:33 |
| _StefanS_ | well.. I'm getting the last of the hardware I ordered today, so I cant wait to assemble the whole thing | 09:33 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 09:33 |
| Jucato | hehe you're like a child playing with lego | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | something like that heeh | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | I liked lego back in the day also | 09:34 |
| Jucato | me too | 09:34 |
| _StefanS_ | even won a few prices as a kid ;) | 09:34 |
| Jucato | and I was soooo frustrated I couldn't make them transform :( | 09:34 |
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| _StefanS_ | :) | 09:35 |
| _StefanS_ | so any kubuntu related news? | 09:35 |
| Jucato | hm... notice how boring it is without Riddell? :) | 09:35 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: not much if you read The Elephant ... :o) hehe | 09:35 |
| _StefanS_ | when is he back btw? | 09:36 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: (jokingly referring to my blogpost at planet) | 09:36 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: a week or so | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: lemme read it :) | 09:36 |
| === Jucato just suddenly remembered to subscribe to ubuntu-devel... | ||
| Jucato | it's one of mhb's few blog posts. so read it well :) | 09:36 |
| _StefanS_ | I cant find it. | 09:36 |
| Jucato | Martin Bhm? | 09:37 |
| mhb | the elephant? | 09:37 |
| mhb | :o) | 09:37 |
| Jucato | Martin Bhm the elephant? O.o | 09:37 |
| Jucato | doesn't sound funky hehehe | 09:37 |
| mhb | Jucato: I wish. | 09:37 |
| _StefanS_ | I think the article got expired in akregator actually.. | 09:38 |
| Jucato | mhb: btw, were you able to come in when both Riddell and manchicken were around? they slightly discussed the package manager issue | 09:38 |
| Jucato | it's just new | 09:38 |
| Jucato | why would akregator kill it? unless it doesn't like mhb or elephants :P | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | I use expiry to keep the db kinda small | 09:38 |
| Jucato | aaah | 09:39 |
| === Jucato looooves keeping feeds for weeks :) | ||
| Jucato | but my mail directory far exceeds it in size | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | did anyone else notice fonts just got alot fuzzier with todays updates? | 09:39 |
| Jucato | I haven't restarted since the upgrades, but according to #ubuntu-devel and Hobbsee, yest | 09:40 |
| Jucato | freetype update | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | hmjm | 09:40 |
| mhb | Jucato: no, was it today on this channel? | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | I sure hope subpixel hinting is still enabled | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | dont see why it wasn't previously... | 09:41 |
| Jucato | mhb: approximately 15 hours ago? | 09:41 |
| Jucato | I hate not being able to understand/see/notice all those fonts and subtle graphics stuff | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: what do you mean? | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: on your lcd it should be very visible with antialias/hinting | 09:42 |
| Jucato | when people start talking about the subtleties of fonts, I don't notice those at once | 09:43 |
| Jucato | you'd have to hit me on the head with a size 72 san serif font first | 09:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: right now, the fonts got "colored" in the edges | 09:43 |
| Jucato | sans* | 09:43 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm k | 09:43 |
| Jucato | maybe because my default font size is 8 so they're too small to notice? | 09:43 |
| _StefanS_ | nope, I run 8 aswell | 09:43 |
| Jucato | or maybe because I haven't restarted KDE yet | 09:43 |
| Jucato | Uptime: 8 hours and 23 minutes | 09:43 |
| Jucato | since I woke up :) | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | start a new app now, and compare to the previous konqueror or something | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | you can easily see the difference | 09:44 |
| Jucato | nada... get that size 72 ready to hit me :) | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe, find your glasses | 09:45 |
| mhb | Jucato: thanks, haven't read it | 09:45 |
| Jucato | I've been wearing them all day :) | 09:45 |
| === Jucato is near sighted.. so this is a bit weird... | ||
| _StefanS_ | hehe, I borrowed some glasses from a dealer because I thought my vision got kinda bad in the past 1-2 years. | 09:45 |
| _StefanS_ | well.. | 09:45 |
| Jucato | _StefanS_: this incapability to notice these things irks me to no small degree :( | 09:45 |
| mhb | Riddell: why do we want to code The Future Kubunt Package Manager in Python? Package manager gets run quite often, so it may be more useful to code it in C++. | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | when I got the glasses on, everything just zoomed 10% up, and I had no vision in the surroundings | 09:46 |
| Jucato | as someone very intersted in computer graphics and GUIs (and usability) this is annoying.. | 09:46 |
| Jucato | mhb: I thought you wanted to write it in Python? O.o | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: +1 for that thought. | 09:47 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: although you can maybe use python as glue . | 09:47 |
| === Jucato must have misunderstood "works across GNOME and KDE" as "Python" | ||
| _StefanS_ | I think "Add/Remove programs"/"Manage Packages"/"Adept Updater" is just confusing since its the same program | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | I never know which one to choose :) | 09:49 |
| Jucato | Add/Remove Programs is the one I want to go.. but that can't happen until Adept Manager's UI improves a bit | 09:49 |
| Jucato | well Adept Updater is self-explanatory.. :P | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | yes, but what if you want to run Adept Updater manually? without having the notifier icon ? | 09:49 |
| Jucato | Add/Remove-Adept Installer and Adept Manager are the ones most confusing to users | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | please enlighten me. | 09:49 |
| Jucato | adept_updater | 09:49 |
| mhb | Jucato: gtkmm perhaps? But you are right, it is easier to work with a language like Python when ti | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: from the menu ?? :) | 09:49 |
| Jucato | Adept Manager? :) | 09:50 |
| mhb | when creating a KDE/GNOME portable app | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: hehe just my point. | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Jucato: Adept Manager for updates? :) | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | its broken. | 09:50 |
| Jucato | Adept Manager for Everything :) | 09:50 |
| mhb | my opinion: do a Common Package Manager for KDE and GNOME, then talk with Ubuntuers about it | 09:50 |
| _StefanS_ | yes! +1 for that | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | and slap a gui on top. | 09:51 |
| === Jucato I still stand by my earlier opinion (emphasis on opinion) that not everything has to be "shared"... | ||
| _StefanS_ | for kde and gnome | 09:51 |
| mhb | it being Manager/Add/remove and so on | 09:51 |
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| Jucato | if you could find a way to do that in C/C++ all the better :P | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | oh jeez.. I need to fix a bug in knm | 09:51 |
| Jucato | one that doesn't use D-Bus? :) | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | D-Butt | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | just kidding.. dbus is one of the better things that happened to linux in the past years | 09:52 |
| Jucato | you know.. it would be nice if there was a time when something new/innovative came from Kubuntu and then Ubuntu had to catch up with it :) | 09:52 |
| Jucato | we really look like playing catch up with Ubuntu for most of our users... | 09:52 |
| Jucato | well not most maybe.. some | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | got any ideas to put behind it ? :) | 09:52 |
| mhb | Jucato: aren't we? | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | or to back it I mean ;) | 09:53 |
| Jucato | proof? | 09:53 |
| Jucato | ideas to back the "Kubuntu is playing catch up"? | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | ideas for innovative stuff | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | yes | 09:53 |
| Jucato | still thinking... | 09:53 |
| Jucato | I don't want to be throwing ideas that are technically impossible :) | 09:53 |
| Jucato | mhb: we are... most of the time... whether that's good or not. I don't know :) | 09:54 |
| mhb | Jucato: just teach the Ubuntu devs to write portable apps | 09:55 |
| Jucato | or ask them to invite us to work on it simultaneously? but I guess were too shorthanded for that.. | 09:55 |
| mhb | Jucato: so that writing a KDE frontend doesn't mean reshuffling the core of the app | 09:55 |
| Jucato | I guess we're lucky a lot is being made with Python... | 09:56 |
| mhb | is it possible to find out whether a library is present in ubuntu-desktop? | 09:57 |
| mhb | even though it is not directly dependent on it | 09:57 |
| mhb | Jucato: and I think the fact that we're lacking has a lot to do with us being a community project | 10:02 |
| mhb | Jucato: who can step up and say "Oh, I've implemented a crucial feature for Kubuntu Gutsy that was in Ubuntu previously, and I haven't been paid for it?" | 10:03 |
| mhb | I can't | 10:03 |
| Jucato | I think that fact is lost in transmission over to the users.... :( | 10:03 |
| Jucato | (great! export to gallery suddenly doesn't work...) | 10:04 |
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| Jucato | (well not suddenly.. haven't tried since edgy..) | 10:04 |
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| mhb | Jucato: you'll be my hero if you wrote a spec for Kubuntu Hardy and managed to implement it without any financial gain from it | 10:07 |
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| Jucato | I'll be my own hero if I could write a spec. period :) | 10:07 |
| mhb | Jucato: ^^ that is what needs to be done in order to be in level with Ubuntu. We can a) either build a community so strong that it does that or b) somehow get Canonical to support KDE more. | 10:08 |
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| mhb | Jucato: and I'm not sure which idea is more absurd :o) | 10:08 |
| Jucato | b) would be a dream come true :) | 10:08 |
| larsivi | Heya - X crash at startup (after the last few updates and me testing connecting an external monitor) - seems to be a problem in the intel driver | 10:10 |
| larsivi | at least the backtrace suggests so | 10:10 |
| mhb | larsivi: good to know! But there's little we Kubuntuers can do, better file a bug about it. | 10:11 |
| larsivi | hmpf ;P | 10:12 |
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| larsivi | but lynx won't let me log on to launcpad :D | 10:19 |
| mhb | no? | 10:20 |
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| larsivi | maybe it's my problem, I can do it on this computer in any case | 10:21 |
| mhb | Riddell: Has apport got an icon? | 10:22 |
| mhb | Riddell: it would be useful to do a .desktop file for apport, so that when it needs the additional privileges, it shows an icon. | 10:23 |
| mhb | Riddell: also, something like http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/4962/apportcrashtz7.png was implemented for kdesudo, too bad you haven't made use for it. | 10:28 |
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| mhb | Riddell: I apologize for bugging you that much while you're on holiday, I guess we can leave it for Hardy | 10:30 |
| larsivi | mhb: bug 137225 - It is related to KDE/Kubuntu as it is the KDE system settings/monitor section that mess up xorg.conf | 10:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 137225 in xorg "[gutsy] [regression] xorg crashes with segfault after having used displayconfig-gtk to set up a second display (new "intel" driver)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/137225 | 10:33 |
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| _StefanS_ | mhb: I saw the elephant now, like the wallpaper :) | 11:21 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: a bit dark maybe, but that can probably be adjusted a bit | 11:22 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: sure, that could be adjusted. Do you like it more than the current gutsy wallpaper? | 11:26 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: yep, I think this one has more weight that a few strokes on a blue background | 11:27 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: also signals some humanism to it i think | 11:27 |
| _StefanS_ | even though its elephant skin ;) | 11:27 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I like the idea, too | 11:27 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: hmm, checked the release schedule, it seems tomorrow's the final artwork deadline. | 11:28 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: push push push.. :) | 11:28 |
| _StefanS_ | mhb: ask kwwii_ and so on | 11:28 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: heh, I would love to push it, but I don't think Ken could be convinced, he designed the current wallpaper, after all. | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | yes I knoiw | 11:30 |
| mhb | and he has already seen the wallpaper, so I guess he hasn't got as much enthusiasm on pushing it as I do (that is understandable, I'm not a graphic artist) | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | well.. | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | maybe it could be included as an optional wallpaper in /usr/share/ maybe | 11:34 |
| mhb | _StefanS_: I think there will be a Universe package of the proposed Ubuntu wallpapers. Not sure if it will work for Kubuntu. | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm ok.. | 11:35 |
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| mhb | _StefanS_: perhaps we could konvince (heh) kwwii_ to do a animal-based wallpaper for Hardy, or just reuse this one :o) | 11:37 |
| _StefanS_ | oh that might be the way to go, since its open for suggestions | 11:37 |
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| Riddell | mhb: I don't know if it has an icon, I suspect not | 11:55 |
| Riddell | mhb: patches welcome of course | 11:55 |
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| mhb | Riddell: okay, will do some for Hardy. | 12:00 |
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| marseillai | hi. | 12:03 |
| marseillai | a question : what do i need to copy to transfer my kwallet from a pc to another? | 12:04 |
| larsivi | marseillai: .kde/share/apps/kwallet/* I think | 12:04 |
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| mhb | kwwii: have you seen my discussion with _StefanS_ before you changed from kwwii_ to kwwii? Also, have you seen the comments at the blog post I asked permission for? http://mhb.ath.cx/blog/kubuntu/the-elephant-rocks/ | 12:41 |
| mhb | kwwii: I just wanted to show that people seem to like the animal-related background idea. | 12:42 |
| mhb | feel free to ignore me, naturally :o) | 12:42 |
| kwwii | mhb: yeah, I saw that...a few issues though | 12:43 |
| kwwii | 1) those backgrounds are only 1280x1024 | 12:43 |
| kwwii | that being the most important part...I was going to include them in the default wallpaper set (not set as default, but always installed) | 12:44 |
| kwwii | but because they are not big enough it won't work | 12:44 |
| kwwii | personally, I like the elephant bg as well, but it is a bit too dirty looking for a default wallpaper | 12:45 |
| kwwii | and we had a long discussion about using animal stuff | 12:45 |
| kwwii | with abstract pics we have no worries about cultural connotations | 12:45 |
| kwwii | whereas with something specific like an animal we do not know how different cultures will view them | 12:46 |
| mhb | kwwii: ah, thanks for the clarifications. I am not sure about the culture clash, we already have a name that is very culture-based and it is foreign especially in the Western parts of the world, but it doesn't seem to stop Ubuntu user adoption. | 12:49 |
| mhb | kwwii: anyway, thank you very much for the information. See you later! | 12:52 |
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| Tonio_ | hey | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: just reuploaded kdebase with the final fix the the $kdehome thing, it was not good as $kdehome=$HOME/.kde and we used $HOME/$kdehome | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we should not have a home/ folder coming in the $home now :) | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I also started triaging the milestone bugs for the beta release | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I looked at this bug : | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/123808 | 01:13 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123808 in network-manager-applet "NetworkManager Applet should not be started on LTSP Thin Clients" [Medium,Confirmed] | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we also patch knetworkmanager not to start on ltsp clients ? | 01:14 |
| Riddell | I guess so | 01:16 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll do this | 01:18 |
| marseillai | mmmmmmmmm | 01:18 |
| marseillai | is it normal that I have a home/user directory in my user directory in gutsy ? | 01:19 |
| Tonio_ | marseillai: will be fixed with next kdebase upload | 01:25 |
| marseillai | oki Tonio_ | 01:26 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey Tonio_! | 01:48 |
| Tonio_ | yop _StefanS_ :) | 01:48 |
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| seele | nixternal: wouldn't fall in the US only apply to the north east? | 02:45 |
| seele | maybe way north too.. like the bordering states | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | mhb: you could make a separate kubuntu one, or add it to the ubuntu wallpapers one | 02:51 |
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| Lure | Tonio_: knetworkmanager 0.2.1 should be soon - not sure if we should pick-up bug fixes from svn before | 03:10 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: did not get from libgphoto2 that you are also release team ;-) | 03:10 |
| Hobbsee | Lure: ah. i'm on both teams, yes :) | 03:11 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: and that you can also +1 for main freeze exceptions ;-) | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | indeed. | 03:11 |
| Lure | Hobbsee: it seems dholbach uploaded it | 03:11 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 03:11 |
| Lure | btw, are daily cds any good? | 03:11 |
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| Hobbsee | no idea. i odubt it | 03:12 |
| bddebian | Heya | 03:13 |
| Jucato | hi bddebian! | 03:14 |
| bddebian | Hi Jucato | 03:14 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: hum, depends on the changesz | 03:27 |
| Lure | Tonio_: just bug fixes | 03:27 |
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| Tonio_ | Lure: afaik, the current version works like a charm for most people ;) | 03:27 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: okay so maybe we should just wait for the official release, as long as it is not too late :) | 03:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: check this thread http://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kde-networkmanager/2007-September/000212.html | 03:28 |
| Lure | Tonio_: even _StefanS_ replied | 03:29 |
| Tonio_ | Lure: super, will read this, thanks :) | 03:29 |
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| jjesse | morning :) | 03:42 |
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| nixternal | seele: that is true about fall...fall in chicago is really nothing more than the construction workers taking a day or 2 off...the leaves here go from green, to red, to gone in a matter of days | 04:26 |
| jjesse | nixternal: i figured out that question i emailed you about | 04:35 |
| nixternal | ya, cuz you had me stumped with it | 04:36 |
| jjesse | let me look at the change i made hold on | 04:37 |
| jjesse | instaed of /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions im using /lib/lsb/init-functions | 04:38 |
| jjesse | and it works w/o any problems | 04:38 |
| manchicken_ | Anybody else having some problems with the KDE sound system lately? | 04:38 |
| manchicken_ | brb | 04:39 |
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| manchicken | That's better. | 04:41 |
| nixternal | I always have a problem with the sound system, but that isn't KDE's fault, it is *buntu's in general | 04:44 |
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| Jucato_ | manchicken: have you seen marseillai's question for you in #kubuntu ? | 04:47 |
| manchicken | Jucato_: Naw, could you tell me what it is? | 04:48 |
| marseillai | it's about adept and auto-clean | 04:48 |
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| marseillai | hi manchicken | 04:48 |
| Jucato_ | :) | 04:48 |
| Jucato_ | hi manchicken, hi marseillai | 04:48 |
| manchicken | No I'm not, but thanks for asking :) | 04:48 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:48 |
| manchicken | What's goin' on? | 04:48 |
| marseillai | manchicken: in fact i remember (but may be i'm wrong) see in adept a feature wich allow to set a time for apt-get autoclean. but i can't find it anymore in adept gutsy | 04:49 |
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| manchicken | I do not remember such a function. | 04:54 |
| marseillai | so | 04:54 |
| manchicken | If it is there it'd probably be in the notifier. | 04:54 |
| marseillai | it's me | 04:54 |
| manchicken | Unfortunately :) | 04:55 |
| Jucato_ | :) | 04:55 |
| marseillai | yes Jucato_ i must be crazy | 04:55 |
| Jucato_ | nah you're not. Adept is :) | 04:56 |
| Hobbsee | oh, bugger. anyone done a security fix before? | 04:58 |
| manchicken | No, it's marseillai, I'm pretty sure. | 04:59 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: What manner of security fix? | 04:59 |
| Hobbsee | CVE-2007-4569 | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: ^ | 05:00 |
| manchicken | Sorry, I don't know how to look that one up | 05:00 |
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| Hobbsee | ubotu: CVE-2007-4569 | 05:00 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about cve-2007-4569 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | damned bot. | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | it usually looks up cve | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | s | 05:00 |
| Hobbsee | oh, here. http://www.kde.org/info/security/advisory-20070919-1.txt | 05:01 |
| marseillai_ | thanks for not blaming me too much Jucato ! :) | 05:01 |
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| manchicken | Oh, okay, so there's already a fix. | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | yes | 05:02 |
| manchicken | Sounds like a pretty simple solution then :) | 05:02 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: i was more meaning for SRU's. | 05:03 |
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| Hobbsee | manchicken: stable release updates. | 05:03 |
| Hobbsee | well, stable releases in particular | 05:03 |
| allee | Hi Hobbsee. You've ping me, but I didn't get why :-0 | 05:06 |
| nixternal | Hobbsee: I have done a few security fixes now | 05:06 |
| nixternal | KTorrent, Smb4k, and some other ones | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | allee: only in conjunction with lure about the libghoto2 getting approved. | 05:06 |
| Lure | hi allee | 05:07 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: were you wanting to handle it for dapper --> gutsy? | 05:07 |
| Lure | allee: do you plan to backport fixes for digikam? if you pass me the list from gilles I can maybe find some time over weekend to work on this | 05:08 |
| nixternal | I can do that...does it have to be done right now, or can it wait a couple of hours...the feminine side has come out in me, and I feel like going shopping for clothes and shoes :) | 05:08 |
| manchicken | Hobbsee: Ah. Don't know about that one. | 05:08 |
| Lure | allee: btw, did you see decision on dcraw license - it looks good | 05:08 |
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| manchicken | Hobbsee: I don't think anybody's crazy enough to let me drive one of those. | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: haha. you crazy bloke :) | 05:08 |
| Hobbsee | manchicken: right | 05:08 |
| nixternal | hehe | 05:08 |
| manchicken | nixternal: There's no stereotype, we all know your feminine side is pretty much all there is :P | 05:09 |
| nixternal | is that cool though Hobbsee...it will only take a few minutes to get them all done | 05:09 |
| nixternal | damn manchicken, I didn't want everyone to know | 05:09 |
| allee | Hobbsee: ok | 05:09 |
| allee | Lure: hi | 05:09 |
| nixternal | well, it looks as if the x-wife, daughter and I, may move (back) to Europe in the upcoming years | 05:09 |
| Hobbsee | nixternal: fine by me, i'm intending to go to bed. | 05:10 |
| nixternal | so, sometime next year, if I am up for it, who wants to give me a job? | 05:10 |
| nixternal | I clean toilets better than anyone else! | 05:10 |
| allee | Lure: great, currently are more than usual busy times. I'll sent you the mail | 05:10 |
| nixternal | alrighty, going shopping..when I get back I will get those fixes done | 05:11 |
| Lure | allee: ok, will look into it if family allows ;-) | 05:11 |
| jjesse | nixternal: you might be heading back to europe? | 05:11 |
| allee | Lure: about dcraw: seen it. It's great that it will go in. Otherwise most of kde gfx apps would be blocked (libkdcraw uses 8.7x in svn already) | 05:11 |
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| mhb | nixternal: um, sorry to interrupt, but what exactly is "pervasive availability"? | 06:41 |
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| mluser-work | Is anyone else having problems with the latest knetwork-manager update? | 07:01 |
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| fdoving | mhb: hey, where can i find that shiny elephant wallpaper you blogged about? | 11:04 |
| manchicken | Wouldn't it whoop ass if you could just use the compositing in compiz with emerald without losing the functionality of kwin? | 11:07 |
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| fdoving | is emerald different from kde-window-decorator ? | 11:07 |
| fdoving | the compisiting that is? | 11:07 |
| manchicken | fdoving: The big difference to me is the library of themes. | 11:08 |
| fdoving | ah, yeah. | 11:08 |
| manchicken | And even using kde-window-decorator you still lose kwin functionality. | 11:08 |
| manchicken | kde-window-decorator just isn't worth the trouble to me. | 11:08 |
| manchicken | None of the pretty with all of the sucky. | 11:08 |
| sahin_h | Yes, loosing the funcionality of the kwin is the biggest problem of compiz fusion for me. | 11:09 |
| fdoving | i got tired of the compiz a while ago. | 11:09 |
| manchicken | Yes. | 11:09 |
| fdoving | it's not that nice to my powertop numbers :) | 11:09 |
| sahin_h | I hope KDE4 will solve :"my problem". ;-) | 11:10 |
| manchicken | I think compiz brings some useful functionality to the table. The grouping&tabbing windows thing is sweet. | 11:10 |
| manchicken | And there's no denying the performance of compositing. | 11:10 |
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| sahin_h | I played KDE4 beta2 and I saw kwin_composite has what I needed. | 11:11 |
| sahin_h | Unfortunatley compiz fusion has a better performance on my machine. | 11:11 |
| sahin_h | However KDE4 under development... | 11:12 |
| fdoving | did you compile with any performace options? | 11:12 |
| fdoving | kde4 that is. | 11:12 |
| sahin_h | Nope. | 11:12 |
| fdoving | still hope then :) | 11:13 |
| sahin_h | I just installed the kde4 beta2 packages which provided by kubuntu developers for gutsy. | 11:13 |
| fdoving | not sure which options are used there. | 11:13 |
| manchicken | I just want some of the neat functionality and the performance. I don't want it to remove the kwin functionality that I know and love. | 11:14 |
| sahin_h | Yes, me too. | 11:14 |
| sahin_h | And I don't want to switch to gnome, because maybe compiz works better on gnome. | 11:15 |
| manchicken | I hear it does. | 11:15 |
| manchicken | But then I still lose the functionality. | 11:15 |
| manchicken | And compiz is a PITA to configure. | 11:16 |
| sahin_h | I use too much kde application, which has better functionality than the gnome counterpart. | 11:16 |
| sahin_h | Amarok, kontact, basket, digikam, gwenview, konsole... | 11:16 |
| sahin_h | Just some example... | 11:16 |
| manchicken | Mmmmm... basket... | 11:17 |
| sahin_h | My favorite! | 11:17 |
| manchicken | kontact & basket alone are reasons I'll never be able to use anything outside of KDE. | 11:17 |
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| sahin_h | I have a lot of notes in my basket. | 11:17 |
| manchicken | It beats any other notes program hands down. | 11:17 |
| sahin_h | Yes, I tried other too in the past. | 11:18 |
| sahin_h | I hope there will be somebody to keep alive the basket development. | 11:19 |
| sahin_h | Why basket isn't in the main? By the way? | 11:19 |
| sahin_h | Why is in the universe? | 11:19 |
| manchicken | That I don't know. | 11:29 |
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| danimo | moin! | 11:37 |
| danimo | does anyone know where does the silly "start plugin" button come from? | 11:40 |
| danimo | +s | 11:40 |
| danimo | before flash starts that is | 11:40 |
| danimo | apachelogger? | 11:41 |
| fdoving | danimo: i think that is "load plugins on demand", konq -> settings -> configure konq -> plugins | 11:44 |
| fdoving | nite. | 11:45 |
| danimo | fdoving: indeed, tnx... | 11:46 |
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| huats | Riddell: are you around ? | 12:02 |
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